DID I MAKE A MISTAKE? - I bought an old Teisco - Watch me explore its guts.
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2023
- Steve peer pressured me into buying an old Teisco with a few modern mods. In this video I explore its guts, shim the neck and explore possible mods. WHAT DO YOU THINK I SHOULD DO NEXT?
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Thing is actually not an old Teisco but really early Hoshino made Ibanez made in the Tama plant. This probably would’ve been an 800 or 900 series Ibanez. The mother of toilet seat that’s used as a decorative ornament on the pick ups is actually the same material they used to wrap Tama drums in which is most likely remnants of that same material that was simply too small to use on the drum kit.
This continental looks like it uses a lot of similar parts and construction. reverb.com/item/21138705-continental-pre-ibanez-992-1960s-sunburst?
@@60CycleHumcast One you showed in link looked very similar to a model Johnny Ramone had in early days of the Ramones before using a used more a Jazzmaster after first two albums. He had a new neck for it from an old other cheap guitar put on also had open style tuner as neck was less chunky, like a Gibson Less Paul style neck/headstock but in short scale. Only thing is he had it panted properly so paint would not peel in a red color right after getting it and had switches not wired in circuit/switches removed with a piece of metal in place, kind of sunk in.
@@60CycleHumcast I checked and I believe this is actually an 883 Ibanez. It looks quite similar to a jazz master/JaguarIbanez at this time was trying to copy a lot of the Burns guitars that were coming out of London if you look at some of the 900 series instruments. The pick guard on these guitars were notorious for shrink king and the pick guards were even more delicateCompared to an original fender from the same period.
@@60CycleHumcast You have above an older Kappa Continental more then likely.
@@joshuabraasch9174 i don’t think this specific guitar is an ibanez, rather a conqueror, but you’ve definitely pegged the model, which was made (as you’ve said) by hoshino gakki and released under a dozen different names
You’re always in over your head, Ryan; that’s why we watch you. So don’t let that stop you. 😂 Fun video, by the way.
Yes, I like these kind of videos as much as the product demos.
You should be able to revive the switches without taking them apart. Look in from the side and you will see copper colored contact points. Use a cleaner like CAIG DeoxIT D5, and operate the switch many times while still wet. If needed, you can reach into there with a micro Q-tip wet with the DeoxIT and clean dirt from between contacts.
That isnt the usual problem. My own Teiscos (i have a few) problem is that the 2 piece copper contact saddles have widened too far apart and no longer hold the switch in position with tension. It is a PITA to take these things apart and fix with drills and epoxy and such. Mine all have clear tape holding the switches in my favored positions. There are tutorial video's, but I found the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Thick watercolor paper is my absolute favorite shim material.
The channel 'drowninginguitars' is like a Disneyland for these types of guitars. He has dozens of these guitars, plus newer non-mainstream guitars. He's also fun to listen to (playing); everything from jazz, to 50s, 60s, 70s pop and rock. Lots of fuzz too.
Love the colour it's like a Tube screamer green & how cool would it have been if they had put an Ebony board on it 👍🏻
An old Teisco is never a mistake. I have a post-Kawai era ET-440 and I absolutely adore how it sounds and plays (after I rewired it, and potted and shielded the pickups.) I will buy many many more. I love these weird old things.
The close-up of the paint job makes it look like a polished avocado!
I love your project videos. Keep this kind of content flowing!
Many years ago I had a Harmony that had four pickups, each one had a diamond grill with a turquoise moto backing. Wish I still had it!
Enjoying your adventure is a BIG plus in my mind! It's Cool.
This guitar is so very you, suits you so well. Looks like a Teisco, the shape and color are great... your kind of player!
I have a 60's mystery guitar that looks like it might be a German Fasan. That one does have a metal pick guard. Along with the red marbled finish and pearl inlay pick ups, it's a thing of wonder to behold, but I really dig it 😆
Ryan, hi. For such a bridge, you can use a hexagon socket. I repaired several guitars that were produced in Czechoslovakia in the 1970s, there is the same problem - bridge supports interfere with playing. New screws with an internal hexagon are bought, they are sawed off so as not to interfere with the game, but to have enough stroke to adjust - and voila)
That black and green contrast looks sharp! 😺👍
I am always tempted by these
This thing would of been awesome for a professional restoration (stripped down to the wood). My friend's dad had an offset that was very similar, and I loved the thing. It was an actual Crown/Teisco, but I have yet to find the exact model he had. It was covered in chrome, and had similar switches of course. I borrowed it for several months in the 80s and offered to buy it, but my friend claimed his dad wanted it back (I was pretty sure that it was my friend that wanted it back, and his dad didn't even notice it gone). I'm going to that friend's place for a party soon, and will have to go on a mission to find out if he was full of it all those decades ago.
Fun vid...happy playing with that thing Ryan😎👍
I'm getting major nostalgia remembering the Teisco del Rey l got for thirty bucks from Tom Turner's bargain table back in 1985. It was a sibling to the one you have here. Would NOT stay in tune, would NOT stay intonated. It was, indeed, as the writer of Guitar Player magazine who went by the nom de plume Teisco del Rey put it, an instrument of torture, not a musical instrument. But it had vibe for days and those pickups had a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window. The guy l finally gave it to was moved to tears, and got it set up to play gigs with. So it found a good home.
It’s funny how much reverence is given to older guitars (I guess old stuff in general) but a lot of them were kinda junk! Like I love this guitar, super cool and I think that’s a good snag. But it’s funny how much work often has to be done to older guitars to make them playable by today’s standards.definitely fun to tinker, that’s for sure
Part 2 please!
Looks like it had a zero fret and someone deleted it and just moved the nut forward. Pretty cool. Dig that trem. This is going to be fun.
Nice observation.
@@donbishop6994 🤘🏻🙏
Zero frets rock, though. Basically zero friction when they're lubricated and you can go crazy with the vibrato and stay in tune since the strings aren't rubbing on the nut
the term "daily driver" has real end-of-the-Roman-empire vibes. A society where it is so common to personally own more than one vehicle, that there is a commonly understood term for the one you drive most often. Maybe I'm just poor and resentful
Maybe. Maybe not.
yay project vid. these sort of things make me feel like tinkering with stuff...and mess em up and get frustrated... but heck yea, tinker away!
Pots for sure. Convert the tone to a bright switch that bypasses all the other electronics. Direct to jack. Might get you that sparkle!
I love videos of old mystery guitars taken apart with before and after demo
thats one great and fresh funkadelic guitar ! great video !
That thing sounds great
Looks very cool!
That pickup setup is wild at best!
My first guitar was identical, exept for the trem, my parents got it for me in 78 or 79 out of the Sears Catalog. Mine was branded Harmony.
This video popped up in my feed after asking Steve about a green guitar in the background with gray buttons. WOW!
In order to make that playable you would have to put modern frets, new nut, probably swap the bridge too. You can likely fully disassemble and clean the contacts on those switches too.
Happy New Guitar Day!
Thanks for sharing 🎸🎶🎶
For one thing, your "new" knobs need a rubbling alcohol bath and a toothbrush! lol
That is one cool ass guitar! I love it and the color is the cherry on top! Very interesting pickup assembly. I might have tried to route the strings around the wrong way so they came out the bottom of the trem if I could to achieve that brake angle of course you still have to address the action but I could spend a couple long afternoons and night monkeying around with all that strangeness for sure!
Looks like a fun old one to me! I love that old Japanese stuff. My last purchase was a very early 70s Ventura violin bass. Pickups are somewhat similar to these, but with whit plastic and 4 poles for bass.
Cool guitar. Cool channel. I like your humor too.
Thank you!
Great Green colour. Looks good at least
I felt really guilty putting hard paper shim on customers Squier Affinity tele, but today I saw you use normal white paper as shim on vintage 60s guitar so you make me feel better. When I need something with bigger angle I use piece of wood from ice cream hande and hammer it with two hammers to be thin and solid. That works great too, but hels only when you need bigger angle increase, not some delicate adjustment. This guitar you have was inspired with Italian EKo guitars, they have similar pockguard with metal plate design. The switches could be repaired, I rebuild lot of different styles, but not really economical to ship it to me, I’m in central europe 😂
I love that dot inlay placed .. reminds me of the mandolin's inlay design.
15 year old me painted everything that color. I still love it.
beautiful guitar!
Man that thing is awesome Ryan.
Ok, I'd still go with the 500k pots. Go over the trem, you may be able to just oil or grease it. Keep it as stock as you can, its cool. Can't tell from here, but adjust the height on the pickups if its possible. Bring em up and get what you can. If they're just trash go ahead and swap em out or rewind em and build em right. Burns tri-sonics look a lot like those, that would give it an interesting sound. Hmm, that metal plate is interesting. If you closed the gaps with foil it'd be shielded really well. Put a real shim in that neck so you can get the action down where its comfy. I wouldn't do anything else to it, I wouldn't want to start adding buttons and switches and such, might just be me.
Just rebuilt a Matsumoku Columbia, I love it. Got the bug after fixing my friend's Teisco with gold foil pickups (thing is a fuzz-loving MONSTER) and sourced the parts over 1/4 year. Welcome down the 🐇 🕳️
Explore them guts Ryan.
Beautiful looking guitar.
Sounds great to me 👊
i have a huge soft spot for these old japanese guitars. they’re awkward, fragile, and extremely temperamental, but they have endless character. one of my first guitars was a 12 string lyle (made by matsumoku) that my grandma gave me. it’s a bit of a dog, the electronics tend to cut in and out, the pickups are extremely microphonic, and even with a decent setup, it’s kinda hard to play. but even considering all those flaws, i adore it
I love it.
It's beautiful
I have a real soft spot for these old Japanese guitars, and they make up most of my collection
This thing is so cool
That thing looks like it was armor plated to survive being played in a backwoods bar in the south
I recorded my first single using a Teisco with four pickups. One of those Guitars I wish I still had.
My first electric guitar was a Red Teisco SS-3L, badged as an Arbiter. Was yours a Teisco SS-4L? They are still available on Ebay, etc for about £1,500 or more. The Gold Foil pickups on these SS-2L, -3L or -4L are the favourite pick-up of Ry Cooder, so sell for anywhere up to £200 each.
@@edeledeledel5490 My was Black with four pickup. But this was in 1978 . So I don't know the Model name. I do have a photo of me holding it.
@@edeledeledel5490 I check Ebay a lot .But haven't seen the type I had.
@@PlayingInVestapol Teisco SS-4L ua-cam.com/video/sD-rhs9mBN4/v-deo.html
Looks like the very first guitar I ever got back from a pawn shop in like1994.
* It was a "KINGSTON".*
If yours has been relabeled, maybe this info might help you on your search.
* Good luck!!!*
I mean, its not like I was up all night wondering if you snagged that guitar or not...
I did an old Silvertone for a friend. Total refret, made a new truss rod, new tuners. made a pick guard, tune-o-matic bridge and a neck shim, rewired with new pots etc. It plays awesome but it wouldn’t have been that much more work to just do a build from scratch
Great project. The Yamaha knows look great on it. My 2 cents are finish it. Do another video and give it to me hahah.
I have a 1967 Fandel Jet, supposedly made by Aria, since I was in high school.. Kept it clean and in good nick and still plays well today. I heard a story years ago that 1960s Japanese guitars had no decent volume or depth. This individual claimed the factories used substandard solder applied with soldering guns rather than soldering irons that severely affected the sound output. Once good solder and proper soldering techniques were applied, the issues vanished and these guitars really cranked. True? Maybe yes, maybe no. But at least the argument is out there. Great video; thanks for sharing.
The teisco eb200 bass can have very hot pups depending on which one you find.
Reminds me of old Guyatone guitars. Dig in, and get your hands dirty. This is gonna be a wonderful project.
I still have my Teisco dual pickup guitar with it's dual rocker switches.
About the only similarity is mine also has half a baseball bat for a neck.
Mine is more of a tobacco burst finish.
I can get about an inch away from my pickups and talk into them so I'd say they are microphonic.
People are actually collecting these things for some reason so I'm not too sure I want to go hacking it to make it playable.
Oh I had a VERY similar one branded as "Saturn" years ago - it wasn't versatile but it did a couple of tricks really well
Seems like a lot of fun actually. I'd keep it.
The plate mounting is shielding against nuclear attack, or maybe bullet proofing for playing in biker bars
If I ever find one of these, it's going home with me.
The controls on this are actually dead-on with how I want my next guitar to be! Preferably with the Mustang style switches instead of light switches and two pickups...definitely being influenced by The Pillows for that build.
I’ve been looking into repairing those vintage rocker switches on my own Teisco (a Del Rey model, same as Jon Spencer in the Blues Explosion). You can rebuild them with a lot of drilling and fiddly work. On mine, I hit the rockers way too easily (you often see them taped down on stage!) when playing so I’m going to use one of the volume knob spots to do a three-way rotary switch instead so it still looks original.
Find the nearest skip ( dumpster ) and toss it in.
I’m actually trying to fix up a crappy old 1960’s Japanese guitar myself (my mom bought it for my kid brother from an antique store when he was 13 and dying to learn to play guitar). Mine is rusty, has a baseball bat neck, similar pickup switches (which I think is a super cool design), but in a different location. It’s a project to say the least. But these are fun to work on. I hope your project goes well! Wish me luck on mine. :)
This makes me think of the Framus that I had (yeah, I know, some Framus fan is gonna holler). 4 low output microphonic pickups that all sounded the same, whammy with a flip-up mute, switches that did ???, an equalizer (!!), volume knob with a pinky hook on it. Wouldn't stay in tune if my life depended on it, skinny little neck and just a generally hopeless un-gig-worthy guitar. Gave it away after a few years.
You did put the bridge on backwards. And I would try the 500k’s but I like it. It’s funky for sure good buy!!!!
I like that the trem is like a early floyd frx
I love teisco
Replace the screws on the bridge and put a couple of acorns on the top of that to make it more comfortable on your hand.
If you are going to Ace Hardware, they have some cool knobs there.😎👍✨
62’ish Ibanez 883 all day definitely Guyatone redoing one right now still in it’s original crusty shape with no guard or guts let me know if you want to see what it looked like 👍
That would have originally had a Zero Fret, which are actually quite ingenious. I had a Teisco Tulip with the Jazzmaster style pickups, Ryan, you should look for a guitar with a set of those. Stock wiring of two switches both on gave series pickups. It sounded like a monster. Because of the complicated pickup/wiring situation on this green machine of yours, I'd say set the loaded pickguard aside and load up a custom pickguard with a Tele bridge, Jaguar middle, and a Jazzmaster neck pickup.
I think it's neat. Then again, I like old guitars. I own a 70's Japanese-made Univox Hi-Flier.
You can experiment with the capacitor value on the tone switch to make it do what you want it to do.
Late to the pool party, but I'd just grind off the damaged nub on those bridge studs and chisel in a new slot
The backplate/pickup mount is likely inductively coupled and acting as a really big pickup cover and you're getting eddy current losses decreasing output and acting as a low pass. More passive metal in the pickups as opposed to more turns of copper wire is a cheap way to make a pickup darker, a lot of older Japanese guitars do this, humbucker cases with a single coil bobbin inside and a stack of steel is a common design choice in lawsuit era les Paul copies.
You don't have to have high output for high resistance pots, you actually get more signal with a higher resistance pot as wide open the resistance is all between ground and hot. The correlation is because output increases with inductance and cut-off frequency decreases proportionally. The high resistance pushes the cut-off frequency higher and increases the resonant spike before cutoff and it can get really icepicky with strat style pickups.
Note that the volume pot resistance is in parallel with a thereabout matching input impedance in the first amplifier or buffer in the circuit, and that's usually 500k but can be 100k or lower in a fuzz and 1M or more in some amps and pedals.
Lacquer thinner will usually take off enamel pretty quick. If you are lucky and the wrong enamel was used it will even bubble off, just don't let it sit longer then a min.. Age of the new paint makes it a little unpredictable but wouldn't hesitate to try under the pickguard
Looks like my old Ibanez that's badged under the Crown 882 name. Mine only has two pickups. Two nobs and three switches.
The bridge screws are a big issue. The first guitar i had access to was a kay model e-100 made by valco, and the bridge screws stuck up about 3/8 of an inch past the bridge. Palm mutes were nearly impossible on that guitar, as you risked the screws tearing a chunk out of your hand.
With the sounds you’re getting I’d say you struck gold Very nice Unique in this day and age
This was my first guitar, however, it was under the telestar name, I wish that the pick guard didn't disintegrate, I'd still play it, after I moved out of my parents house they threw away the body, the neck and all the electronics unfortunately
FYI, that nut isn't original. Those shipped with a zero fret
Can you run the strings under the tailpiece instead of over to get a bit better break angle as a stop gap?
Yes but then the trem will not function correctly.
The headstock looks like a Matsumoku guitar.
I recently picked up a Guyatone at a thrift store that also has 100k pots, as was the style of the day. I need to replace them, they work, as long as you don't turn them. The spots they were stored in is the only spot that works. I can only find pots sized for pedals. I may just try to rebuild the existing ones (DeoxIt hasn't helped) because it's got a real nasty tone.
An old Teisco is never a mistake.
gives me a push to get to work on my "projects"
I've found that even low-output pickups can sound heavy if you use enough gain
The only "Teisco made" instrument I have ever been happy with is my St. George NB-4 short scale bass that I bought from a studio bassist that is also a luthier and mainly specialized on basses. He refret the neck, installed a new nut, redid the whole wiring with new pots & jack and it sounds amazing, but you gotta take in consideration all the work that was done, they do have potential.👍 But most anything you will find on "Reverb" or "ebay" will play worse than a First Act Target/Walmart guitar haha.
And yet, at very least, these old Japanese guitars will still hold some value even if unplayable. I doubt the same can be said for a First Act.
@@seanmckelvey6618 I get your point, but we can't assume that just yet. If we look back in history, Teisco/Silvertone instruments were sold at Sears and other department stores, I've even read that some Teisco models were sold at drug stores like Thiftys and at local hardware stores back in the 60s. Just taking that in consideration, it is very possible that those entry level guitars and basses sold at Target/Walmart/Best Buy will have some collector value 40-50years from now lol
Beyond the Nut.....sounds like an X rated guitar documentary title...
Not a fan of the color but it looks cool & plays really well!
Time to do a Robert Smith Jazzmaster mod.