Thank you so much for trying it Rob! Now I will do some improvements on it and then send it to Japan for the guitarist who will spend 100 hours practicing on it. Can anyone guess who it is?
Yeah, the "Spinning Guitar" is different enough that it could be argued that it could be considered a separate instrument from the guitar. It requires a new learning curve. I love how it has a synth effect to it.
@@jakewilliam15 I think it would be cool if you could have a set speed and then use one pedal to rotate, another for "move one string ahead" and a third switch to control direction (rotate forwards or backwards)
Can we talk about how GOOD the drummer is? I don't play but the improv skills is off the charts for me. When the guitar is spinning it has a very Primus "The toys go winding down" feel.
Jessica knows exactly what to play to match what Rob is thinking, while also knowing when she should start to propel the energy to keep things interesting. She’s a fantastic drummer
Dude its so impressive. Also insanely impressive how shes able to so quickly adapt when the spinning motor goes out of tempo if he puts too much pressure on it.
Rob definitely made the right call to bring her along. They work so well together and the cyclical nature of the guitar really benefitted from the dynamics the drums brought in.
Mattias is too hard on his invention. He might not be able to find a good reason for his invention but if people can find a place for the theramin they can sure as hell find a good use for a freaking spinning guitar!
Just picking right up with the natural rhythm of the spinning right away was so incredible, and syncing up with what Rob was doing really quickly. Just phenomenal talent and great musical chemistry.
This guitar sounds like it would be in a end game boss fight, this thing is badass I can't wait to see how they develop it more it has a lot of potential in music
Rob was 100% the right person to put behind this insane machine! And that drummer... Wouldn't have worked nearly as good without those perfect beats. Well done!
I love how much this guy hates his own invention, and I'm so happy that he shares both the invention and the hatred for it with the whole world! Seems like a great guy, and his work sparks curiosity in every person that sees it
Average Swedish People Vibes.. Even Alfred Nobel hated his invention, the Dynamite... because well yeah, it could be used for bad things, hence why he set up the Nobel Prize.
@@livedandletdieI think it's just a technical thing, most coders and engineers I've talked with hate the things they create, both because of the nightmarish nature of the thing, and because they KNOW that they could have done better, or at least quit while they were ahead. I think artists also have something similar, so I can only imagine mixing the fields would amplify the hatred...
Holy crap, man. Watching the first 12 mins or so, I'm thinking, "wow, what a fascinating device!" Then you really started exploring it between 14 and 17 mins, and your drummer is just nailing the flow so perfect, and I literally teared up. That was the purest jam I've ever heard in my life
Use this video as a masterclass for how a good drummer can help turn literally anything into a song. Mad respect for Jessica. Thanks to everyone involved for making a very interesting video! 😊
As an electronics engineer myself, it isn't hard. More or less all motor drivers have configurable drive currents. Ie, how much holding torque they should have. So if one wants to "overclock" the holding torque, it is a simple configuration away. Oftentimes it is as simple as flipping a switch or two. Downside is that if one increases it enough, the motor burns up.
10:25 about whether Mattias had a vision in mind for what the guitar would accomplish: "(embarrassed chuckle) A good thumbnail" LOL Props to him for the honesty!
What would greatly improve this design would be to have a rod on the back that has a hand rest on it. The hand rest can slide up and down the neck of the guitar without touching it, allowing for the user to securely hold this thing without putting the strings out of tune. Honestly? This thing sounds awesome and is a genuinely cool instrument
And a cap for that gnarly end to wouldn't hurt lol and you could mount a strap to the end of the rod for the hand rest puting even less stress on the delicate bits
I didn't expect the video to start with not only incredibly inventive playing that is only possible with this spinning guitar, but for it also to go so fucking hard. Some raw as fuck sounds coming from this thing.
Didn't really like the PUBG PUBG PUBG sound, but the much more subtle spinning part later in the video sounded very promising. This needs careful fret selection and better tuning system.
I love watching Mattias watching his invention in Rob's hands. Watching him watch his creation do what he was envisioning could be done, be didn't initially imagine could be done.
@@4xdblack our boy has so much creator's anxiety, I completely identify. Like, I *feel* him, watching him go through this. It's both gutting and endearing all at once.
I'm gonna join the crowd here: awesome drummer. I can't imagine how hard it must be to improvise accompanying an weird instrument like this one that just didn't exist until now.
This is so cool! I think this instrument definitely has a future and the more musicians try their hands on it, the more cool things they'll come up with to do with it!
It's interesting to see the different approaches between Charles and Rob. Charles treated it like multiple alternating instruments, whereas Rob was looking for a way to utilize the entire monster as its own thing.
You need to try this with a violin bow. You could get a much clearer sound out of it, especially cuz a bow could play multiple cords at once unlike a pick. Just make sure to buy rosin as well
it's worth trying but i'm not confident the bow would be in contact with each string long enough to get the heimholtz resonance pattern happening. an e-bow might work better.
Gotta love the drummer... She's rolling with the weirdness without missing a beat. By the way, Rob, what you were playing could easily be the soundtrack for a nightmare scene in some movie.
This is actually super cool and it’s crazy you figured out a way to make it sound metal as hell. Also this drummer is so good at working with you. Impressive.
This was unironically a really cool way to make really grainy textures for songs. It can be grating but I kept hearing patterns in the chaos of the spinning. To Rob's and Mattias' point, this instrument won't replace any given guitar you're already playing. But it IS a way to make textures for live performances, you could use this in concert with a rhythm and lead instead. You might say that this is a pain-in-the-butt way of doing this but I might retort that is a tenet of making weird music! I was totally enraptured by the jamming here, excellent work guys!!!!
Charles Berthoud's take on the spinning guitar is so unreal, if Rob hasn't seen it yet he NEEDS to, it really shows what an immortal being can do with that thing
Wow, talk about about a super adept percussionist. I don't think I have ever been so impressed with improvisational skill and I am a thespian and a musician.
This is like that keyboard that has vibrato by shaking the keys but instead of it being a thing a lot of musicians ask for in their minds, the three people in the world that wished for something like this are just flat out insane. Also I'm very glad you were able to play it because I'm one of them.
Oh, Osmose? I've got that. Lovely instrument, very much the opposite of this. Osmose feels natural -- like it's something that keys should have always had. Whereas I don't think anyone ever thought that spinning guitar neck is natural.
Europe uses 220V (240V actually) at 50 Hz. The US use 110V at 60 Hz. The current draw is around similar, so you got total less power on the US mains (bit less than twice the power). That's why the motor feels weakish, but Rob is a skilled player, he quickly senses the strong points and weaknesses of the instruments and plays accordingly. Really enjoyed everything in this vid. Don't feel like I wasted half an hour on YT, I spent quality time on YT. :)
Your point stands about the power difference, but the US has been 120V since the late 60's. Which is why in the US vintage (60's and older anyhow) tube amps tend to sound "better" on a variac taking them back down towards 110V.
@@MondoJim Thanks for updating my knowledge. Yeah, there's line resistance, which lowers the end voltage you find in the electrical sockets. The more users on a section, the more current draw, the warmer the line gets, the more resistance and thus the lower the voltage. To ensure people get the nominal voltage (220V in Europe and other areas, 120V in the US, etc.), the electricity producers raised steadily voltage to higher values to compensate for the inevitable voltage drop at the end of the line.
The EU has a mains voltage of 230 volts nominal -6% to +10%. (216 to 253 volts. And countries not using 230 volts should continue on using whatever they use, and why actual mains voltage in the European union varies from country to country. It is harmonized on paper, and close enough in practice. Line resistance also doesn't meaningfully impact the mains voltage supplied, since line resistance is honestly very low.) Not that this really matters here. Now, I can't say that the motor stalls out easier or not on US vs EU voltage. (I weren't there to test myself, obviously.) But from a logical side of things, the motor isn't running directly on mains voltage, so it shouldn't have a direct impact. It is a fairly common NEMA(17, perhaps 23) stepper motor, these usually run on 12-72 volts DC feed from a stepper driver. That in turn needs to be powered by a power supply. (even if larger stepper drivers usually have that integrated, but that isn't the case here. Since the power pack is literally lying on the floor behind Rob's chair.) Now, it could be the plug pack providing the whole circuit with power that has issues with the lower mains voltage. Since a power supply is generally affected by mains voltage. (with a higher mains voltage one is further away from one's minimum operating voltage, and this allows the filter caps to discharge further before said minimum is reached, effectively ensuring that one can draw more energy from the supply in a given mains cycle. The higher frequency of US mains voltage however slightly reduces this issue since the filter cap gets recharged more frequently. In practice PSUs tends to only be 20-30% more "powerful" in the EU.) But I don't suspect that the plug pack were the issue. Since Mattias could increase the drive current of the stepper drive without having the plug pack complain. Something the power supply would do if it were the limit. (Most stepper drivers have configurable drive currents, both to not burn up the motor from idle power dissipation, but also to provide a torque limit for when such is a desired trait.) In the end. My own guess is that Mattias simply didn't accurately recall the amount of torque the motor had. (since judging torque is honestly fairly error prone and why torque wrenches are required in industry even for fairly wide torque specs. It is however a fun challenge to have people guess torque or weights, accuracy is often laughably poor.)
Pretty sure that's a stepper motor, it's driven by a stepper drive probably at 24VDC. The grid voltage shouldn't matter unless he used entirely the wrong system to drive it.
Also, wouldn't every time someone sung it be considered a cover and therefore not susceptible to copyright anyway (not that that ever stopped copyright striking on yt...)?
@@ZoidsNut Roughly: someone owns the recording, and someone owns the songwriter’s work - they don’t necessarily need to be the same people. There are also rights for things like use in advertising and movies or as part of a theatrical performance that can be separately owned or administrated. There’s too much money riding on publishing rights for it to be simple 😅
It is interesting because the speed of the rotation and number of strings hit each rotation ends up giving you your tremolo effect rate and the visual that you get as a viewer is at that tempo as well. The drummer ends up going to that feeling naturally once it starts and you can almost start to see the guitar neck almost grooving itself to the beat if you watch the end of "headstock". Super groovy vibes
There's so much that could be done with this with alternate tuning or programming the motor to footswitches, for example you could have switches to rotate the board set amounts and have much more control in general. Probably needs a stronger motor for that
Finally, I've been waiting for you to play this weirdly amazing looking guitar. 😅 Mattias is such a madman, i didn't know how he could come up with such a guitar. 😂
I just stumbled upon your channel, and it's absolutely amazing how 1. you got me to watch that whole sponsored segment and 2. how it's one of the most replayed moments in the video. RESPECT.
I would happily listen to an hour of music written for this guitar. The steady beat is soothing, and the things you're doing with it with the different tunings are very interesting. Fun video!
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I find experimentation with instrument construction very interesting, as it is how the sound and scope of music are renewed. Sometimes these can be failed experiments that lead to improvements in manufacturing and in the understanding of what is being built, but it is these crazy luthiers who ultimately make music a living element that never stops evolving.
I love how Charles Bertroud saw this and thought "I could do an incredible run from the thickest bass string to the thinnest guitar string" and Rob thought "Slide with harmonics" and the both achieved such different sounds. I was initially tempted to say Betroud did it better but after thinking about it, I'm glad how differently they thought about the instrument.
hammer piano, spinning guitar, fantastic. you're inventing entire new genres. tuning problem is from low rigidity of bolt/segment design, fix it by making the neck one-piece (thin wall wide diameter metal pipe). a stepper motor with more torque might also help, so you can move to specific spots.
A truly one-piece neck would be a nightmare to fabricate, since it's tapered. The next best thing would probably be a tapered shell over top of a straight tube.
How many on here first saw this guitar played by Charles Berthoud? I still really want to see Rob Scallon and Charles Berthoud do a collaboration!! For those who haven't seen it, do yourself a favor and look up his channel! He's quite the gifted musician!
This is the first video of yours ive watched in like 5/6 years so idk much abt what has changed it that time, but whoever your drummer is, she is AMAZING like absolutely nailed the improv beat.
I would loooove to hear a whole album of Rob and Jessica just jamming like this, it sounds incredible and they have such good musical chemistry together it's amazing
Omg fully sick brother that Is very cool man ,bloody awesome. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 Hats off to the lady drummer having to get the beats fitting in with random spinning guitar playing lol she did awesome to 👏👏👏👏👏 it all sounded very exciting , I loved it , Wow great stuff.
Thank you so much for trying it Rob! Now I will do some improvements on it and then send it to Japan for the guitarist who will spend 100 hours practicing on it. Can anyone guess who it is?
Mattias, lovely work and happy (belated) birthday!! Hope you are very proud of your creations and the joy they bring us
Ichika Nito;)
Oh my god, Ichika will do wonders with this.
Either Ichiko or Seiji.
Honest question, both rob and Charles are great musicians and took this in different directions, but, who do you think made the most out of it?
Rob has really grown into a well-rounded musician - a real full-circle moment!
You could say this video is revolutionary.
Yeah this performance was great all-around!
love your channel charles, your performance on this was stunning.
I, personally, liked your take on this instrument way more creative and rich.
He can play whatever is in his hands, and thats what impresses me the most.
@@stanislavzrajaev1049 NGL, this video was a bit of a let down after seeing Chuck make it sing.
Yeah, the "Spinning Guitar" is different enough that it could be argued that it could be considered a separate instrument from the guitar. It requires a new learning curve. I love how it has a synth effect to it.
It might be in a similar Family To something like a hurdygurdy
learning "curve" 😂😂😂
It could be classified as spinning phallic string instrument.
closer to an arpegiator than a synth
needs a bow
Shoutout to the drummer. Her playing complemented the guitar very well.
Yes! Incredible drummer!
That’s Jessica Burdeaux, if you were curious at all! She tends to be Robs go-to session fill whenever he’s doing something weird and wild :)
She plays in the band Covet as well, really good stuff.
@@averin5193 thank you! Gotta look her up!
Hell yeah she did, totally tied it together. That guitar sounded too weird on its own.
"What bpm are we doing?"
"I think you mean RPM."
O those poor hands and fingers.
it would be cool if a foot pedal controlled how fast it spun
that's a good one
ROFL 😂😂😂
@@jakewilliam15 I think it would be cool if you could have a set speed and then use one pedal to rotate, another for "move one string ahead" and a third switch to control direction (rotate forwards or backwards)
Can we talk about how GOOD the drummer is? I don't play but the improv skills is off the charts for me.
When the guitar is spinning it has a very Primus "The toys go winding down" feel.
Primus was my immediate thought as well. The early stuff
Jessica knows exactly what to play to match what Rob is thinking, while also knowing when she should start to propel the energy to keep things interesting. She’s a fantastic drummer
Dude its so impressive. Also insanely impressive how shes able to so quickly adapt when the spinning motor goes out of tempo if he puts too much pressure on it.
The drums made de video
That snare sounds fantastic, too.
Rob definitely made the right call to bring her along. They work so well together and the cyclical nature of the guitar really benefitted from the dynamics the drums brought in.
I love Rob's insistence on finding something unique to do, reminds me of Howard Roark designing the bridge with his new metal
Drummer did a fantastic job giving structure to this chaotic instrument
That’s Jessica Bordeaux, if you were curious at all! She tends to be Robs go-to session fill whenever he’s doing something weird and wild :)
@@averin5193 I will touch you inappropriately lil bro.
I feel like she could drum along to anything and suddenly it'd sound amazing and cohesive
Omg she's amazing I'm a drummer her style is similar to mine was so awesome to see her
that was the first thing i thought, she plays with covet shes prob used to crazy ass guitar
The fact that he’s able to figure out how to utilize this instrument really at all in such a short amount of time is mind blowing to me.
* Weird new instrument drops *
* Guitar-shaped spotlight goes on over Chicago *
Needs to be a logo with a green onion in it.
The eye of strange music turns its gaze upon the windy city
@@samsanimationcorner3820 There's no i in Rob Scallon though. Have you been misreading his name as Scallion?
@@Z3DT I used to misread his name like that but if you think about it Its funny when you misread his name like that
@@Z3DT: At night, he's the superhero Green Onion.
Mattias is too hard on his invention. He might not be able to find a good reason for his invention but if people can find a place for the theramin they can sure as hell find a good use for a freaking spinning guitar!
It took decades to figure out all the ways we use electric guitars now.
Charles Berthoud is the only person on the planet who can use this invention :P
@@LordDragox412Steve Vai
Life of an engineer
He did looks slightly baffled that, oh, this can be played, and not as a cruel and unusual punishment.
I love whenever you have Jessica in a video, her skill with the drums matches your talent so well, it's like telepathy when y'all play
Guitar purists are spinning in their graves…
lmao spinning
Marcin you should make an acoustic one.
they aint motorized tho 😂
Ohh, fuck the guitar purist....Fuck anyone who's a "purest" at anything.
@@Beast_Hub With bike peddles to turn it instead of a motor?
Jessica Bordeaux absolutely crushed it giving that wild beast of an instrument structure to live in.
Just picking right up with the natural rhythm of the spinning right away was so incredible, and syncing up with what Rob was doing really quickly. Just phenomenal talent and great musical chemistry.
It's things like this that make you appreciate how much the percussion adds to a tune.
You're right it's like a building for the instrument to live in
She makes my knees weak. I can't even explain how beautiful and talented I think she is.
Jessica makes it sound like this instrument was built for her to solo over and it's great
This guitar sounds like it would be in a end game boss fight, this thing is badass I can't wait to see how they develop it more it has a lot of potential in music
"Engineering is fun, 1% of the time." is very accurate.
But the fun moments are super duper rewarding. Maybe that's what keeps us engineers suffering through doing what we do again and again.
Spent 20 years as a mechanical designer, so I can certainly relate. lol
The other 99% of the time is usually "How the hell am I gonna do THAT???" 🫣
I can't speak to mechanical engineering, but this is completely true for software engineering.
If engineering was easy, everyone would do it.
@@guarddog318 In my experience, most of my other 99% is usually "now, why is this not working the way I thought it would?".
Rob was 100% the right person to put behind this insane machine! And that drummer... Wouldn't have worked nearly as good without those perfect beats. Well done!
Man got a motor in it and they instantly started cooking.
Him and igorrr
98% IMHO, Hand it off the Blue Man Group, this thing screams open piano being played by a 2 handed mallet.
Check out what charles berthoud did with it
@@issacsparks3987was bout to mention Charles
Damn that song at the beginning fucking rips dude. Need a full version. Damn dude.
Was busting down some freestyle bars over thatbest. Honestly dope af.
It sounds kinda like something the band Earth would make. Try High Command or Tallahassee from "Pentastar: In the style of demons"
I love how much this guy hates his own invention, and I'm so happy that he shares both the invention and the hatred for it with the whole world! Seems like a great guy, and his work sparks curiosity in every person that sees it
Real Dr. Frankenstein vibes
Average Swedish People Vibes.. Even Alfred Nobel hated his invention, the Dynamite... because well yeah, it could be used for bad things, hence why he set up the Nobel Prize.
lol. Check out some of his pianos. He hates them, too. 😂
watching him build it was great. get little moments of "wtf am I doing?" "Why am I doing this" and "I am too far into this project to stop"
@@livedandletdieI think it's just a technical thing, most coders and engineers I've talked with hate the things they create, both because of the nightmarish nature of the thing, and because they KNOW that they could have done better, or at least quit while they were ahead. I think artists also have something similar, so I can only imagine mixing the fields would amplify the hatred...
The drummer really helped this. Wouldn't be the same without her. Incredible skills from everyone in this vid.
That’s Jessica Burdeaux, if you were curious at all! She tends to be Robs go-to session fill whenever he’s doing something weird and wild :)
@@SteveHarvey272 yeah, phrasing could’ve probably been better, i just meant robs general antics in the studio with weird instruments and the like
Make sure to see Charles Berthoud playing this "guitar", he absolutely killed it and made it sound actually nice.
@@averin5193 there must be some shadow banned comments in here. I don't see the person you're replying to.
@@Corkoth55 you are very correct on that one. Basically it was just someone pointing out that i probably could’ve worded myself better :)
Holy crap, man. Watching the first 12 mins or so, I'm thinking, "wow, what a fascinating device!" Then you really started exploring it between 14 and 17 mins, and your drummer is just nailing the flow so perfect, and I literally teared up. That was the purest jam I've ever heard in my life
Use this video as a masterclass for how a good drummer can help turn literally anything into a song. Mad respect for Jessica. Thanks to everyone involved for making a very interesting video! 😊
She is the make it or break it X factor in most of robs videos she plays on IMHO
can we all stop and appreciate how Jessica is an absolute BOSS on the drumkit??
So good, that beat at 12:00 was so nice. Simple but perfect, there's something about her style that's just so clean
She really is.
The goat
yeah, that was my takeaway from this video. i want to hear more of her improv
This is like noise candy to my ears. That was just *chef kiss* . Now we need a full album of just this guitar!
My guy just overclocked a motor on the spot in a recording studio. Engineers are so cool
SERIOUSLY!!!! so much respect for the fact that this thing isn't constantly breaking down - nevermind the fact that he overclocked it lmfao
So casually, too. Love it.
As an electronics engineer myself, it isn't hard.
More or less all motor drivers have configurable drive currents. Ie, how much holding torque they should have.
So if one wants to "overclock" the holding torque, it is a simple configuration away. Oftentimes it is as simple as flipping a switch or two.
Downside is that if one increases it enough, the motor burns up.
@@todayonthebench it's still cool though! Thanks for the explanation
"overclocked" puh-leeeeeeeeeeease
2 things"
1. Jessica is proof that a solid drummer can make the simplest guitar grooves sound epic
2. Mattias and I are exactly 1 day apart in age
Happy birthday, lol
Certainly, the star of the rock genre is the drums, not the distorted guitar.
10:25 about whether Mattias had a vision in mind for what the guitar would accomplish: "(embarrassed chuckle) A good thumbnail" LOL
Props to him for the honesty!
What would greatly improve this design would be to have a rod on the back that has a hand rest on it. The hand rest can slide up and down the neck of the guitar without touching it, allowing for the user to securely hold this thing without putting the strings out of tune.
Honestly? This thing sounds awesome and is a genuinely cool instrument
And a cap for that gnarly end to wouldn't hurt lol and you could mount a strap to the end of the rod for the hand rest puting even less stress on the delicate bits
@@baconbliss4796 Yeah, that would be perfect!
Also be a nice way to easily control the speed setting
@@Diesel_fuel-w7c Absolutely!
You don't play guitar
I didn't expect the video to start with not only incredibly inventive playing that is only possible with this spinning guitar, but for it also to go so fucking hard. Some raw as fuck sounds coming from this thing.
For real, what a banger right out of the gate!
Didn't really like the PUBG PUBG PUBG sound, but the much more subtle spinning part later in the video sounded very promising.
This needs careful fret selection and better tuning system.
Use fuck less
crazy chemistry between Rob and the drummer, they're so good
Mattias looked so nervous all throughout the video. Poor guy. 😂 He looked like Frankenstein taking his monster to an anthropologist or a sports coach.
I thought he looked incredibly satisfied and amazed at what was happening with his creation.
He actually did look nervous a bit I could tell it felt a little awkward
He is Swedish, give him a break, they dont go out as much :)
He was most likely jetlagged too
As a Swede myself, I can confirm this is just what we're like.
I love watching Mattias watching his invention in Rob's hands. Watching him watch his creation do what he was envisioning could be done, be didn't initially imagine could be done.
Make sure to check Charles Berthoud playing it too!
@@LordDragox412 yooo. Thanks for the heads up!
I also love how nervous Mattias was the whole time lol. Poor Mattias 😅
@@4xdblack our boy has so much creator's anxiety, I completely identify. Like, I *feel* him, watching him go through this. It's both gutting and endearing all at once.
I'm gonna join the crowd here: awesome drummer. I can't imagine how hard it must be to improvise accompanying an weird instrument like this one that just didn't exist until now.
"I am heavy weapons guy, and this.. is my guitar"
Now it just needs a brass skin model
it costs $400,000 to play this guitar for 12 seconds
After following the spinning guitar build for months now I'm so pleased to see the two of you in a room together. Also the drummer killed it.
FRRR
Without the drums, it wouldn't be as cool)))
This is so cool! I think this instrument definitely has a future and the more musicians try their hands on it, the more cool things they'll come up with to do with it!
It's interesting to see the different approaches between Charles and Rob. Charles treated it like multiple alternating instruments, whereas Rob was looking for a way to utilize the entire monster as its own thing.
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@@beastabuelos6421 Fixed, Mr. Grammar Ninja.
@@stryfer1989
Whoa, that was a close one.
Looks like Sca-Taylor has a new challenge. Get in the spinning guitar market before it's over saturated.
Only Charles Berthoud would be in market for it :P
I’m so happy you all made this happen! Love seeing people whose work I like come together and share their stuff
You need to try this with a violin bow. You could get a much clearer sound out of it, especially cuz a bow could play multiple cords at once unlike a pick. Just make sure to buy rosin as well
This is what I thought when I saw him start slapping was how else can this be tuned and or played
it's worth trying but i'm not confident the bow would be in contact with each string long enough to get the heimholtz resonance pattern happening. an e-bow might work better.
Aaah I see my thought wasn’t first!
@@famitorycircular clamp bow.
underrated comment
This might be my favorite Rob Scallon jam session yet. He and the drummer were so in sync.
Squeaky chair song.
Perhaps because the motor gave the tempo, and you didn't have Rob ruining it. Kidding. Love
Rob actually manages to make some pretty cool stuff with this freak guitar. Great job guys.
The drummer Jessica is such an amazing player!
She understood exactly what rob was trying to do and accompanied him perfectly with her fast reactions.
Theres something about the frequency of the rotation that creates a VERY strong beat. Props to the drummer, she leaned into it in such an awesome way!
Those little slides up at 15:57 when he was spinning the rod was so cool, also I love the 12/8 feel of the song
Gotta love the drummer... She's rolling with the weirdness without missing a beat.
By the way, Rob, what you were playing could easily be the soundtrack for a nightmare scene in some movie.
Or a live action Pacman thriller
Man, what I wouldn't give to hear Rob and Jessica create a full structured song using just drums and this guitar
That birthday cake moment was adorable! Awesome video guys! Everyone killed it!
The Gatling Guitar
YES
A Krantz Guitling
This...
The...Gattar
The Guitling if you will
This is actually super cool and it’s crazy you figured out a way to make it sound metal as hell.
Also this drummer is so good at working with you. Impressive.
Damn! Can we get a full version of that song? You two definitely got something there.
This was unironically a really cool way to make really grainy textures for songs. It can be grating but I kept hearing patterns in the chaos of the spinning. To Rob's and Mattias' point, this instrument won't replace any given guitar you're already playing. But it IS a way to make textures for live performances, you could use this in concert with a rhythm and lead instead. You might say that this is a pain-in-the-butt way of doing this but I might retort that is a tenet of making weird music!
I was totally enraptured by the jamming here, excellent work guys!!!!
Imagine your favorite band in concert and suddenly the lights focus on the guitarist and his guitar starts spinning. People would lose their minds.
Yeah, that would be an awesome stage gimmick.
I'm no musicain but I loved the vibes this thing has. Idk just scratched my brain real nice lol
Charles Berthoud's take on the spinning guitar is so unreal, if Rob hasn't seen it yet he NEEDS to, it really shows what an immortal being can do with that thing
That's my thought too
Wow, talk about about a super adept percussionist. I don't think I have ever been so impressed with improvisational skill and I am a thespian and a musician.
This is like that keyboard that has vibrato by shaking the keys but instead of it being a thing a lot of musicians ask for in their minds, the three people in the world that wished for something like this are just flat out insane. Also I'm very glad you were able to play it because I'm one of them.
Oh, Osmose? I've got that. Lovely instrument, very much the opposite of this. Osmose feels natural -- like it's something that keys should have always had. Whereas I don't think anyone ever thought that spinning guitar neck is natural.
are you referring to the Seaboard?
Europe uses 220V (240V actually) at 50 Hz.
The US use 110V at 60 Hz.
The current draw is around similar, so you got total less power on the US mains (bit less than twice the power).
That's why the motor feels weakish, but Rob is a skilled player, he quickly senses the strong points and weaknesses of the instruments and plays accordingly.
Really enjoyed everything in this vid.
Don't feel like I wasted half an hour on YT, I spent quality time on YT. :)
Your point stands about the power difference, but the US has been 120V since the late 60's. Which is why in the US vintage (60's and older anyhow) tube amps tend to sound "better" on a variac taking them back down towards 110V.
@@MondoJim Thanks for updating my knowledge.
Yeah, there's line resistance, which lowers the end voltage you find in the electrical sockets. The more users on a section, the more current draw, the warmer the line gets, the more resistance and thus the lower the voltage.
To ensure people get the nominal voltage (220V in Europe and other areas, 120V in the US, etc.), the electricity producers raised steadily voltage to higher values to compensate for the inevitable voltage drop at the end of the line.
The EU has a mains voltage of 230 volts nominal -6% to +10%. (216 to 253 volts. And countries not using 230 volts should continue on using whatever they use, and why actual mains voltage in the European union varies from country to country. It is harmonized on paper, and close enough in practice. Line resistance also doesn't meaningfully impact the mains voltage supplied, since line resistance is honestly very low.)
Not that this really matters here.
Now, I can't say that the motor stalls out easier or not on US vs EU voltage. (I weren't there to test myself, obviously.)
But from a logical side of things, the motor isn't running directly on mains voltage, so it shouldn't have a direct impact.
It is a fairly common NEMA(17, perhaps 23) stepper motor, these usually run on 12-72 volts DC feed from a stepper driver. That in turn needs to be powered by a power supply. (even if larger stepper drivers usually have that integrated, but that isn't the case here. Since the power pack is literally lying on the floor behind Rob's chair.)
Now, it could be the plug pack providing the whole circuit with power that has issues with the lower mains voltage. Since a power supply is generally affected by mains voltage. (with a higher mains voltage one is further away from one's minimum operating voltage, and this allows the filter caps to discharge further before said minimum is reached, effectively ensuring that one can draw more energy from the supply in a given mains cycle. The higher frequency of US mains voltage however slightly reduces this issue since the filter cap gets recharged more frequently. In practice PSUs tends to only be 20-30% more "powerful" in the EU.)
But I don't suspect that the plug pack were the issue. Since Mattias could increase the drive current of the stepper drive without having the plug pack complain. Something the power supply would do if it were the limit. (Most stepper drivers have configurable drive currents, both to not burn up the motor from idle power dissipation, but also to provide a torque limit for when such is a desired trait.)
In the end.
My own guess is that Mattias simply didn't accurately recall the amount of torque the motor had. (since judging torque is honestly fairly error prone and why torque wrenches are required in industry even for fairly wide torque specs. It is however a fun challenge to have people guess torque or weights, accuracy is often laughably poor.)
Pretty sure that's a stepper motor, it's driven by a stepper drive probably at 24VDC. The grid voltage shouldn't matter unless he used entirely the wrong system to drive it.
Even though the guitar is cool and Rob gets used to it fast, Jessica is the star of this video! Her playing is phenomenal!
Happy Birthday To You has been unambiguously in the public domain in the US since 2015 after Warner/Chappell's copyright claim was ruled invalid.
Yeah it used to be big problem on youtube but thankfully they ruled that that was stupid, no matter how bad of a rendition it was they would claim it
Also, wouldn't every time someone sung it be considered a cover and therefore not susceptible to copyright anyway (not that that ever stopped copyright striking on yt...)?
@@ZoidsNutYou can still claim based on the small rights to the song, which cover the written work and still must be licensed.
@@oldvlognewtricks Blech. I just poked my nose into ip and copyright information regarding cover songs. That's a lot to take in. I was so ignorant.
@@ZoidsNut Roughly: someone owns the recording, and someone owns the songwriter’s work - they don’t necessarily need to be the same people.
There are also rights for things like use in advertising and movies or as part of a theatrical performance that can be separately owned or administrated.
There’s too much money riding on publishing rights for it to be simple 😅
Mattias went from being a nightmare for Piano techs to being a guitar tech for a nightmare guitar
MAN what a phenomenal sound i love this
It is interesting because the speed of the rotation and number of strings hit each rotation ends up giving you your tremolo effect rate and the visual that you get as a viewer is at that tempo as well. The drummer ends up going to that feeling naturally once it starts and you can almost start to see the guitar neck almost grooving itself to the beat if you watch the end of "headstock". Super groovy vibes
Fair play to Rob and Jessica for making music out of such a crazy instrument. Props to Mattias for building it.
does anyone else realize how good the drummer is doing? she is making all of this audibly easy to listen to
Mattias is a wizard, rob is a wizard, the drum player, is a wizard. been waiting for this video and it did not disappoint!
There's so much that could be done with this with alternate tuning or programming the motor to footswitches, for example you could have switches to rotate the board set amounts and have much more control in general. Probably needs a stronger motor for that
Ya boy's reinvented the Hurdygurdy organ, they essentially worked like this but with static strings and a rotating disc in the centre
i instantly loved how the drum makes spinning sound of the instrument significantly convincing.
Finally, I've been waiting for you to play this weirdly amazing looking guitar. 😅
Mattias is such a madman, i didn't know how he could come up with such a guitar. 😂
Of course he could, hes an engineer
Don’t ask Martin to build something like this.
@@roberttalada5196 Martin? as in Wintergaten Martin?
I just stumbled upon your channel, and it's absolutely amazing how 1. you got me to watch that whole sponsored segment and 2. how it's one of the most replayed moments in the video. RESPECT.
Not to mention the amazing performance from you and the dope drummer !!!!!
HUGE shoutot to the drummer. That constant improvising to this NEW and so weird instrument is just insane.
Shows just how much a really solid drummer adds 😊
The rhythm section is what defines a band.
I would happily listen to an hour of music written for this guitar. The steady beat is soothing, and the things you're doing with it with the different tunings are very interesting. Fun video!
Glad to see you with this instrument Rob. Disappointed to see a Better Help sponsorship.
Why? I've used it. There's nothing wrong with it outside of the expense.
@@cinimatics Betterhelp is being exposed for allegedly scummy practices.
Though BetterHelp may or may not legally be considered a scam, it has had a history of overcharging patients for subpar service, and is mostly sustained through the use of aggressive marketing through influencers.
Many accounts have been told of the company simply charging people for services they didn't ask for, as therapists can mark down their clients for services without any confirmation.
Additionally, cancelling from BetterHelp is an extremely difficult process, as the company will stall and stutter while still charging the client.
Furthermore, the "licenses" therapists on BetterHelp claim to have vary widely in quality, from patients allegedly being assigned to anybody from crystal healers to homeopathy peddlers.
Finally, BetterHelp also sells patient data to pharmaceutical companies and interest groups - without any regard or conscience, they will gladly sell your most privet, most sensitive data about your most private health issues.
@@cinimaticsLiar
Kinda get sitar vibes when it's just spinning on an open chord. Pretty neat.
Make sure to check Charles Berthoud playing the guitar, he absolutely kills it!
As My Sitar Gently Spins
It sounds kind of like a sitar, but works like an inverted hurdy gurdy.
Tibetan prayer guitar
I find experimentation with instrument construction very interesting, as it is how the sound and scope of music are renewed. Sometimes these can be failed experiments that lead to improvements in manufacturing and in the understanding of what is being built, but it is these crazy luthiers who ultimately make music a living element that never stops evolving.
I love how chunky and driving it sounds (because it's literally being driven by a motor). Like a steam engine version of a gallop.
You could rearrange/retune the strings to play a melody when spinning and then you have a sort of guitar arpeggiator
the guitarpeggiator… the guitarp… garp…
That drummer did a great job with that opening jam by playing exactly with that guitar’s RPM. Such a fun effect.
I love how Charles Bertroud saw this and thought "I could do an incredible run from the thickest bass string to the thinnest guitar string" and Rob thought "Slide with harmonics" and the both achieved such different sounds. I was initially tempted to say Betroud did it better but after thinking about it, I'm glad how differently they thought about the instrument.
Now you need to try it played through a leslie rotating speaker!
hammer piano, spinning guitar, fantastic. you're inventing entire new genres.
tuning problem is from low rigidity of bolt/segment design, fix it by making the neck one-piece (thin wall wide diameter metal pipe).
a stepper motor with more torque might also help, so you can move to specific spots.
A truly one-piece neck would be a nightmare to fabricate, since it's tapered. The next best thing would probably be a tapered shell over top of a straight tube.
Mattias is a mad genius. I love his thinking.
How many on here first saw this guitar played by Charles Berthoud? I still really want to see Rob Scallon and Charles Berthoud do a collaboration!!
For those who haven't seen it, do yourself a favor and look up his channel! He's quite the gifted musician!
The open rotational sweep strumming sounds so spacey and angelical
I love the lathe guitar
A guitar for well-rounded musicians
can we talk about hot FIRE the drums fills are?
This video sounds like what an acid trip at an arcade would sounds like, and I’m all for it
Pew pew pew pew
This is the first video of yours ive watched in like 5/6 years so idk much abt what has changed it that time, but whoever your drummer is, she is AMAZING like absolutely nailed the improv beat.
That opening song sounds so brutal! But in the best way possible , like beautifully brutal.
With the motor continuously on, it's like an electro-anti-hurdy-gurdy
The only reason it needs to spin is that it sounds and looks cool. And Rob is perfect at showcasing that. So beautiful!
19:00 started sounding like rage against the machine. This is actually an instrument I would see Tom Morello experimenting with.
The first improv gives me Primus vibes !
Now that I read this it sounds like American Life
I would loooove to hear a whole album of Rob and Jessica just jamming like this, it sounds incredible and they have such good musical chemistry together it's amazing
Omg fully sick brother that Is very cool man ,bloody awesome. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 Hats off to the lady drummer having to get the beats fitting in with random spinning guitar playing lol she did awesome to 👏👏👏👏👏 it all sounded very exciting , I loved it , Wow great stuff.
Learning to play the General Electric Minigun with Rob Scallon.
12:02 actually questioning her life decisions haha
This instrument is so familiar, yet so different. Maybe you could bow it like a violin/hurdy gurdy?
Glad I'm not the only one who thought about bowing it.
Right !?!?!
Mattias tried that in his original video. It didn't work too well but someone else should definitely give it a go.
I think the whole room realized it wasn't such a stupid idea after the 14 minute mark. Genuinely cool af.
What a friggen blast! Jessica Burdeaux slaying it down