Coping with Failure - Intentionally Blank Ep. 155
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Dad Sanderson and Father Wells come back once again to teach us about the world of saying no, coping with failure, and raising the new generation.
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Chapters
(0:00) - Wedding Receptions
(2:14) - Hunting for the bat'leth
(3:06) - Fatherly Advice 2: Electric Boogaloo
(5:02) - Learning to say No
(6:00) - Untern Donald
(6:33) - Getting back to the question
(7:39) - Brandon's "No" Story
(13:43) - Being okay disappointing people
(16:23) - Growing from hardship and failure
(22:01) - Putting "systems" into your life
(25:33) - Parenting Advice for the younger generation - Розваги
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_"...so much of growing up is just learning how to be ok with disappointing people"_
Thank you, Dan. Truly. I needed to hear it.
Yes me too ✋
Me too
Dan this is as much your show as it is Brandon's
It's interesting to hear Brandon talk more about the wired article. Its admirable he didn't wanna dwell on it when it happened as to not create a wave of hate from the fan base, but I can't imagine how much that would suck to get taken advantage of like that.
This episode reminded me about how upset I am about the wired article
Is this the first time he’s come out and said how truly bothered he was? I don’t think he’s been so forward about it before.
@@yannispapoulis7550 They talked about it at some length when it happened and started making a lot of inside jokes about it for a few weeks.
Didn't know coming into this I was going to cry but that last section about parenting was powerful. Brandon talking about the pain of not being able to truly comfort his child, then Dan coming in with the "you do what you can do, and I'll carry you the rest of the way," those hit me. I'm not a parent, though I want to be one day, and I'm really glad for the Wells and Sanderson kids that they have dads that have healthy pictures of what being a parent is. Been following this podcast since ep. 1 and it's only gotten better. Thank you, gentleman.
This 💯
I'm now caught up on Intentionally Blank. A few months ago I never would've thought a couple of Mormon guys chatting about random stuff would be one of my favorite things on the internet. To me it shows the power of positivity without being a shill, and sharing thought processes rather than reactions (though I am middle aged myself so that probably plays a part).
I don't mean to be annoying, but we're not called Mormons. Christian is a better term because Jesus Christ is who we worship.
Love comment though. I actually just got snagged by an episode a few weeks ago and might just have to go back and hear what I've missed.
Love your comment*
@@thomasray Oh, ok, thank you for the clarification. I think I've heard Dan refer to themselves as such but I might've misunderstood.
@@Eminar5 Dan has referred to himself as a Mormon several times, and I believe Brandon has too. In fact, I believe they've used your exact wording: "a couple of Mormon guys." There's generally a split on how to view the term. The move away from it began in earnest just a few years ago (2018), as Mormon is the name of a prophet who gives his name to one of the LDS scriptures, so isn't properly an adjective. However, almost everyone I have talked to is fine with it. Others I've talked to prefer "Latter-day Saint" or "LDS member," [EDIT: upon further research the same 2018 style guide also discourages use of the abbreviation "LDS," though that's always been the alternative to "Mormon" people have suggested. But as I mentioned, most members disregard the new style guide because it makes everything more inconvenient] as a short form of the (most accurate) mouthful that is "member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." I know and have talked to hundreds of LDS members, and most are completely fine with "Mormon" and refer to themselves that way, out of simplicity. I have heard none of them offer "Christian" as an interchangeable term, because they have radically different levels of specificity and it is not helpful to simply use the term "Christian" in response to a question like, "what specific denomination are you?"
Dan helping his kid with homework is basically "I can't carry you, but I CAN VCARRY YOUR HOMEWORK" LOL
"If someone [betrays] you, it's not your fault for being trusting. Being trusting is a virtue, and they're taking advantage of that."
I really needed to hear that. Thank you.
(I just wish I'd heard it ten years sooner.)
I lost my job today so this topic is particularly relevant. Thanks for the encouragement.
Ohh I lost my job a month ago. Hopefully you have better luck applying for jobs it's not great out there depending where you are. Applied to 100's of jobs with no responses 😭
@@littleripper312 good luck to you as well!
The secret to saying No is the concept of Opportunity Cost. Like Brandon illustrated with his book writing, ANYTHING you say Yes to is effectively saying No to EVERYTHING else. When you understand this, you move the focus from No to Yes. Instead of saying No to Europe, you're saying Yes to becoming an incredible fantasy writer =)
How do you figure this? Not every Yes is mutually exclusive to another, let alone multiple others. It may strain, but it often doesn't break.
@@weckar Reality is more complex, of course. But the idea of opportunity cost is that, ideally, at any given time, you have a certain number of choices, and you can only pick some of them. This is especially true because time is finite; within a day, there are so many things you can do and so many things you could do but decide not to for x or y reason. That's the case for Brandon's book writing; he chose to stay at home and write instead of going to Europe, i.e. he had 2 choices and decided the best one down the line would be to stay at home. I think opportunity cost is an increadibly important notion to build your life on -- especially when saying no to an opportunity means something better in the future.
Also, indeed, not every yes is mutually exclusive, but that does not mean opportunity cost is a foul concept. Think of it this way; you have a box of 10 possible choices, and you can only pick 4. There are 210 different combinations of 4 choices you can make, so choose wisely 🙂
@@weckar I think I understand what you're saying. To apply to my writing, there are instances where I want two things to happen in my story--maybe they even conflict--and finding a creative way to say Yes to both of them sometimes creates the best parts of story.
But what I said more simply is If you choose to spend your time at a soccer game, you're not going to spend that time writing your book (unless you're writing in the stadium...)
I’m sending a thank you box for Dan because I am grateful as someone with their own mental health struggles for someone like Dan to be open and honest what that journey is like. To be honest it is inspiring to see it
"We have this sense that if I were more religious I'd just want to! I don't want to... Is it a moral failing that I had to build a structure to make myself do this? No!"
Thank you. I needed to hear this, both in the religious context and without it.
Yeah, people forget that the natural man is to not do what is right, people misinterpret no more desire to do bad but to do good is a feeling we can have, but it doesn't mean we always have it.
I shared this podcast to one of my friends that likes podcasts but has nothing to do with the Brando fando . He loved the podcast so much he started reading the cosmere. This podcast is legit so entertaining it’ll make someone a cosmere fan by sheer charisma.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, and speak with a heart full of love and respect for Brandon and Dan -
Thinking everyone hates wedding receptions is the most Mormon thing I have ever heard someone say 🤣
I'm sure not having alcohol affects it, lol
This is flat out one of the best podcasts they’ve done yet. And there’s a pretty high bar since each week is pretty awesome. Thanks to Brandon and Dan for this. And unpaid not-intern Donald.
Yep the episodes about life and career are always my favorites. I enjoy the chit-chatty stuff stuff too, but this is the podcast at its best.
As someone who is working in Sauron's call center, can definitely confirm the soul is crushed and the headspace for any creativity after work hours is pretty much nonexistent.
Be strong, Radiant.
I've been there.
Had the most disappointing and demoralizing couple of months of my life recently, centered around me failing terribly in every single thing important to me due to my declining mental health, so this episode felt like a really big comforting hug. Thank you, Brandon and Dan
Now we know the true origins of Alcatraz and the EVIL LIBRARIANS. 😂😂😂
LOOOOOLLLLL hahahhahaah
Honestly one of the best episodes of the podcast, answers had good advise from years of personal experience.
these are my favorite kinds of episodes
I didn't show up to my own wedding reception.
My wife and I eloped to Vegas. We told people that we did not want any wedding reception or party of any sort. When we got home, we were instructed that we were to attend a surprise wedding reception for us, in direct opposition to our wishes. We didn't show up, but everybody else did.
How did everyone else take it, lol.
That is totally something I would do! Good job for holding firm.
Weddings are also about the community that comes together to support the new couple and potential future children. Most of the people at weddings and receptions will be the ones dedicating time and energy throughout the life of the wedded couple to helping and supporting them and their kids, and it's good to have a physical ceremony celebrating and establishing that. It's not just about pretty dresses and pictures.
In 7 - 10 grade I would ask my mom to type my papers for me. I did this because I enjoyed having conversations with her about the writing styles I would use. Figuring out the best word to use, or how to structure a paragraph and create an information flow. I thought this created nice moments for us to bond. I don't think she ever knew those reasons, and eventually I believe she thought I was trying to slack off by asking for her help. If I could go back to those times I would try to explain why I wanted to do the work together.
Dear Brandon,
It was *that Wired article* that turned me into a fan. Your grace and dignity in response spoke more about your character and religion than the prejudiced opinion of the kid who wrote that piece. (Im a fantasy reader, but Robert Jordan’s interminable WoT books turned me off *thick* epics. I may be one of the few listeners to the podcast who hasnt read any of your books (hubby finished WoT, my youngest has read Alcatraz) or Dan’s (sorry! I dont enjoy scary!). The podcast comes across as pleasant chatter between friends - friends of a similar age to me - and it is perfect for listening to when Im doing an activity that lets my mind follow along.
FWIW, if you do decide to attempt Brandon's books, Mistborn and Elantris are very typically sized novels, and the entrypoint for most fans. Nothing like the meandering WoT behemoths. Latter-day Brandon's publishers have let him get away with longer and longer books, but the old stuff is still solid and sized appropriately for the mass market.
I got married last summer, and our wedding reception was awesome! We didn't have dancing, instead we themed each table around something we loved - Mistborn and Reckoners were both featured, as well as D&D, etc. So while waiting to hang out with us, our guests were able to look at fun stuff and learn about us. We even had some kids learn D&D at the reception! But I'd agree that traditional wedding receptions aren't that fun for my incredibly introverted self.
I think everyone likes their OWN wedding reception. It's the guests who mostly want to go home.
@@mezlyndon662 If you're more introverted and don't like dancing... nope... it's a nightmare.
I'm planning my wedding for next spring and I'm dreading it more and more every day :)) not the ceremony, but the reception after >_< all the traditional dancing and socialising with extended family till 6 in the morning... not to mention I'm the bride, I will be expected to dance a lot, I can't chill at the table all night... can't wait...
and wouldn't have such a problem with it if it didn't last so freaking long :((
@@warwick3039 :( Aww, that sounds awful. I'm not sure what country you're from, but it sounds like there's a traditional expectation there that you want to stick to. It can be nice to honour traditions, so hopefully you can take some comfort in that. Otherwise, if you don't care about that tradition, can you just not do dancing at your wedding? My husband & I danced the one 'first dance', which is traditional for us, and that was it. There's a tradition of the bride dancing a 2nd with her father, but my dad would have hated it, & I don't dance either, so we skipped that. I know a couple of people were like "hey, where's the dancing?" but almost all our friends have no interest in it either, so I figured those few people could dance at their own weddings, not mine. :D
@@mezlyndon662 Thanks :) I'm from Romania ^^ and yes, there are a lot of traditional things still expected (and a lot that I'm skipping fortunately) First dance is tradition here too, and it's the only one I'm not dreading. But dancing for hours on end in heels does not sound fun to me.
I have some plans about how to avoid the dancing too :))) but there will be a lot of people asking us "Why aren't you dancing?? It's your wedding!" I get this question to all the weddings and parties I go >_< It's like ppl can't understand one can not be into dancing... But it's not like I can't take a break or stuff, there will be just a lot of questions of "is everything alright with the bride??? she's not dancing, there must be a problem" :))
But yeah. we'll see what we can do to tame things down a bit. Glad it was different for your weeding and hope it was a magical day!
@@warwick3039 I'm glad you get to skip some of the things you don't like! It's also great that you're keeping to some of the traditions, too. I'm Australian, so dancing isn't really a traditional part of weddings, at least not that I know of. It's just common to have, but not a big deal to skip it.
Our wedding was lovely, but the main thing is to marry the person you love, so I hope you don't have too much stress about the day itself. It's pretty soon over, and honestly, you forget a lot of the details - or I have! :) Hope yours turns out to be a great day for you too!
Mr. Wells - I also have a son that struggles with schoolwork and I have employed the same strategy of writing what he dictates. I hear you.
Dragon Naturally Speaking can be a good resource.
I emailed Dawn about getting a blurb from Dan, and she told us that he was just too busy, and we totally understood, exactly as he just laid out.
Wait, who doesn’t like wedding receptions? That’s where the food and drinks are!
All the stress of the actual wedding is behind you at that point. You're just there to enjoy the moment, celebrate the couple, and hobnob with fun people. And the food/drinks, of course.
My wife and I had two wedding receptions, because our families were across the country from each other and both Mothers really wanted to put on their own show (and they were willing to pay for it, so we shrugged and said, "yeah, ok").
Her Mom's wedding reception was better, but I don't think I really enjoyed either of my own wedding receptions, much less anyone else's. But that might just be introversion.
I love anywhere there is free food
Introverts. Mandatory socialization with added expectations.
Fewer drinks at a Mormon wedding reception, I imagine?
Dan, you were really speaking to me here. Thanks a lot for your sage advice- tons of it this episode!
A few thoughts:
- Something to realise is that, while every one of us is the protagonist of our own lives, for almost everyone we interact with, we're background extras, or, at best, have a brief speaking role. For some, we make it to recurring character status, but it's only a handful for whom we manage to be main cast. Most of the time, when someone does something, it's because of things we don't know about going on in the rest of their lives, and only very slightly to do with us.
- It's relatively easy to say "no" to things we don't want to do. Where things get really tricky is learning when to say "no" to things we do want to do, or think we should do, but which we don't have the time or other resources to commit to. For an author, the question of what to do about fan mail is often an example - for a minor author, reading all the fan mail that comes in isn't a major time commitment, and even writing thoughtful replies can be done without significantly cutting into writing time, but as the author gets more popular, fan mail can snowball fast - you can quickly reach a point where reading the fan mail is a full-time job, and one that doesn't pay very well (at least not in ways that enable you to pay the bills).
Something similar applies to everyone - there are always more good causes in the world than any one person could devote time and money to even if they did nothing else. That sort of triage - figuring out what to devote your finite time and attention to - is an essential life skill.
- I'm another who was very good at school stuff - there was one occasion where, and I do not recommend this for anyone, we were doing revision in the lead-up to sitting A-level exams, and had been set a past paper to do for homework, in order to go through it in class. For whatever reason, it'd completely slipped my mind, so at the start of the class, I quietly confessed to the teacher that I'd forgotten about it, "but give me a three minute head-start" - and I managed to work through the 90 minute paper in the half hour class, staying ahead of the teacher and even contributing answers to the discussion and checking my own answers as the teacher covered the questions. Of course, I wasn't writing complete answers longhand - just cryptic notations for my own use, which was much faster - but I had the academics on lock...
Yay weddings! I just got back from my niece's, and started crying when the groom included "journey before destination" in his vows.
I wish growing up that my mental and medical heath were taken more seriously.
I had a lot of trouble paying attention in school because of ADHD and have had undiagnosed allergies for MANY years before my wife was like "Hey that is not normal and you can get help".
Kids' brains get overwhelmed easily since the prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed yet. Two indispensable life skills to teach them: learning how to break down any task into manageable pieces, externalizing executive functions(verbalize "I am going to..." or pointing directly at what you need to do) I didn't learn these until adulthood, but they are an everyday use for me.
It's nice to see a couple that is happy. Also for some big families, marriages and funerals are the only time you see everyone.
These are the best episodes you do, just do this.
Omg I popped into B&N and saw an interesting book in the horror section by the author Dan Wells, took a minute to connect and ask ‘Dan Wells from this podcast?’ I know have a book to pick up.
Introverts. Mandatory socialization with added expectations.
Dan, you are the main reason I follow this channel.
Honestly, I haven’t watched any of these, but if these are what they are all like, I’m going to be watching a lot more.
I could really benefit from fatherly life advice like this
Great talk. Dan’s thinking on talking part in his side of an argument and bettering himself is very 12 step and Buddhist leaning. I love it
I did not expect to be crying in the last 5 minutes of this podcast. ❤
I worked in a call center doing surveys during a summer. I got a stomach ache every time I went to the job, and I'm firmly convinced that affected my performance the next semester. And I was even good enough to get on the better surveys
I worked at two: an alarm monitoring station and a place that sold credit repair services.
One of them was a pretty decent place to work, all things considered. The other sold credit repair
My husband and I love receptions when there’s a dance floor 🥰
Thank you both for sharing these thoughts. A lot of this hit home for me and it means a lot to hear authors I admire so much talk so candidly about this kind of struggle and pain ❤
P.S. I’ve met Ben’s kids and they’re great 😆
I haven't seen Brandon in a while so the beard is new for me. He's definitely rocking it, good choice.
18:05 Dan speaking some great truth here. I’ve known far too many people who just place blame on others. Accepting responsibility for whatever wrongs I’ve committed can make room for growth and ease a situation.
this is a great video, it does help a lot. It is good to fail, because you can see where you have gone wrong and you will have the tools and knowledge to correct your mistakes. It will help you stay humble, be true to yourself, ,and you gain new set of skills. You progress, you get better each time. You win, you lose, you make mistakes, it is important, it is part of everything. It is good to know what your doing is wrong, where your going wrong, because it will help make it better. If nobody says anything, you're not going to know and you're going to keep on repeating it. To be honest, the only time you fail is if you give up. Hard work reeps it's own rewards. Patience is a difficult thing sure, but it is rewarding. It isn't a quick snip. Thanks for sharing Brandon.
Call centers are the most popular miserable job easily. I've been in one for two years and its a soul draining job. Would have never crossed my mind that Brando worked on one.
These are such amazing episodes. Keep it up
I love clearly meaningful wedding receptions. But, a few have been rough and felt weird. When my wife and I got married we really tried to make ours meaningful and something people would want to be at and be happy they went. I’ve heard since then people felt that way but who knows how many truly felt that way haha
I have my husband an engagement sword when he gave me the engagement ring. He cut the cake with it.
So many feelings here. I've worked in a call center and yes, that was miserable, but it was easy. My job at my local airport is worse (for me specifically as an introvert in a very extroverted customer service job). After three years, the soul and all faith in humanity is crushed and I now have early onset arthritis because of it.
And my wedding, other than my family, I can count on one hand how many of my friends showed up for the reception. I kind of wish I didn't even have a reception.
I had a really good time at my own wedding reception, and often have friends declare how much fun they had as well. However, we were all ALSO glad when it was over. I guess we're all a bunch of introverts.
This is how I feel about wedding receptions. They're very fun but I'm always glad when they're over.
While most call centers suck I worked at my companies inbound call center for about 2 years and I can honestly say it was an above average experience. Managers are great and actually care about the employees and make great hiring decisions so the team was a ton of fun to be on. They actually retained employees so it was never crazy busy and I actually taught myself software development in my downtime. My second year I didn’t even take any calls and just worked on other projects which since the managers actually appreciated good ideas which eventually led to more opportunities.
Best podcast I've heard in a while.
I appreciate how Dan and Sanderson felt comfortable sharing such deep insights with us.
I'll need a minute to digest this one
Very good and very relatable. I have three kids and I've had to deal with the fact that our children are very different individuals instead of just smaller versions of ourselves.
It was very hard for me to accept that my kids could be bad at something I'm good at (the other way is always easier) and that I would have to struggle to help them with it.
One hundred percent, Dan! It is so difficult to teach what you are good at, especially to your own kids.
32:57 No, that's THEIR line.
There is definitely some great advice in this episode. Thank you.
For me the saying no dilemma is more about things I don't want to do, but I think I should. How do I know when it's good to stretch my comfort zone and when instead it's just something that isn't for me and I will hate it? I've had it turn out both ways so it's always hard to choose. Is it going to be worth the trouble or not? Should I just always say yes and brace for the bad experiences because I will learn from them or is it ok to sometimes say "no thanks, I don't know if I would actually dislike this but I just don't feel like doing this". I actually think about this a lot, and I try to keep a balance between the two, but it is a legit dilemma for me
This was very soothing to listen to. I kinda think this could be a recurring topic every few months.
My wedding reception was awesome! We had mariachi's, a DJ for dancing, delicious snack foods and desserts. My wife was adamant that she didn't want to stand there while a long line of people congratulated us. So instead we just walked around chatting with family, friends, and neighbors, sang along to awesome mariachi music, and danced the night away. Most receptions I've been to were boring, but ours was amazing!
At last, an episode tailored just for me!
great episode, got a bit emotional at the end
My last kid is graduating and I am a therapist. Nearly every kid in this age range is experiencing some mental health stuff. It’s really tough. Therapy and medication help. Hugs and figuring out what they need for education helps. Prayer helps. That’s all I have. ❤
Well, it might just be the best episode of the podcast so far.
I’m in a different industry than writing books (though I want to!), but I’ve rarely regretted saying “no” to an opportunity if I’ve carefully weighed the options and am deciding upon what’s best for me/family. But I have regretted saying “yes” to opportunities out of fear or a scarcity mindset. End of the day, I feel we need to base decisions off our needs, but also our values.
Best episode yet!
This was a really good one.
Brandon's conversation about good managers also needs the other side of the equation. Brandon could have heard that he was doing something wrong and bucked at being coached. Being able to hear criticism and being able to be coached is probably one of the biggest indicators of success there is.
This was nice.
Great episode
I love wedding receptions! Lots of alcohol in the ones i go too
Hey Brandon and Dragonsteel team👋🏼, thanks for all your works.
Quick question: what do you think would happen if somebody compounds copper?
I love wedding receptions!
great episode
When my wife and I got married 22+ years ago, we didn't have the 'traditional' receiving line. Instead, she and I mingled around visiting with everyone who showed up. Sometimes this was together, sometimes it was one on one, but we had the best time and the evening was over sooner than we had expected.
I love wedding receptions. But i also look for any opportunity to dress up cuz i never get a chance to. Plus it's just fun vibes.
I absolutely hated working at a call center. But it was a necessary evil at the time.
You say No when you have priorities you can't conflict with. Having children or taking care of elderly parents, these are things that force you to say No, because your committment to your family makes it so you can't commit to something else that takes you away from that.
I worked in a call center for 8 years. 5 of which the management had promises of upward mobility, which the managers were generally good and there a few employees who were able to have upward mobility. 3 of which I realized the dream was dead and perhaps had always been dead. 4 years on, I am still in therapy from those 8 years, the call center didn't even skip a beat.
point is, trust your gut. I knew 6 months in what it was, but I kept second guessing kept choosing to trust. Not again. Trust. Your. Gut.
My college work experience involved me doing work that was similar to what I normally did for another boss while his regular person was off for summer. I was doing it and double checking like I saw he wanted, but then later he said that he wanted me to triple check and I didn't so he lost it and just told me to not work on it anymore, and that if I were his employee he'd fire me. There was 0 allowance for me to correct my workflow, the problem was that the system he was using was broken and dropping postings after 3 days, so I was loading them and then checking the next day and they were still there so I thought it was fine. ah well, he wasn't my actual boss so I wasn't fired and my bosses were like, I don't know, that's his problem, not yours. My friend I was covering for was like, he's always been nice to me, I don't know why that happened. I learned that I need to read emails more carefully, but that's hard for me.
Library shaped gladiator really got me 🤣
However long ago this was recorded, congratulations to Zoe (Zoey?) and her new spouse!
"You need to get to a wedding reception."
"I do."
And yet neither of them realize.
This was such a great and poignant episode !
Man, talking about when to step in and do the things someone else just can't seem to do vs. letting them fail is such a hard topic. It seems like ultimately you need systems like schools to be set up to embrace uneven failures, but what do you do when they aren't set up that way? There are these boundaries where you suddenly have fewer opportunities if you don't reach a threshold (like passing or graduating). Those are all the incentive anyone needs to prop someone up and keep them from failure, but they're artificially imposed boundaries. I wonder what it would be like if they didn't exist and you just got to the end of an educational era and have a set of continuous values that represent you without that extra pass/fail judgement attached.
If people are dancing at a wedding reception it's awesome and supremely fun. Need a great cover band or a great DJ that plays to the crowd and not themselves.
While being trusting is a virtue, being as-scam-proof as you can be, by not giving any leeway for scammers from getting the better of you. For example, if a bad neighbourhood is known for crime, you take as many precautions as you can to avoid ever ending up stranded or near that place at any point in your life. Or ensuring that you cut ties with groups of people known to be scammers. Identifying traits and behaviours of scammers so fast that you have every countermeasure in place to prevent that person being able to scam you.
Sometimes it is good to know how to put the devil in its place and escape from the devil without the devil even realising that a juicy target got away 😆
A book that really helped me with failure was “principles” by ray dalio. Great episode guys
Campaign calling is bad, political surveys are the WORST. People hate you for calling them, the questions are biased and bad and you both know it, and you have to keep calling until you meet the demographic requirements of the survey, which means calling people way later at night than is really appropriate. Then you get cussed out and have to keep calling. Consumer surveys aren't as terrible, but call center still ranks as one of my bottom 3 worst jobs ever.
I sold home loans. At variable interest rates. Over the phone. For a company under investigation by the department of Justice. And, cherry on the cake, we had to get permission to run a credit check by having the person v3rify their social security number. I was 15 at the time, and I was expected to get at least one sale per hour.
I just finished third draft of my book and am going to try to get it published and this shows up in my feed 😂😅😢
Its so funny. I also worked in collections development at my university (yhe job Nrandon is describing) and i loved it. The only bad part was that we also had to choose whether to keep or discard books that were donated...and we weren't allowed to just take any home. We HAD to theow them away. (I think it was a tax issue, but im not sure.) Worst part of the job.
That sounds like a badly thought out tax code - or, at least, collateral damage from something else.
I was curious if you could make a video on how to write a flashback sequence?
I recently replaced the flooring in my mom's hallway. I failed to find my dad's old coping saw.
Brandon, I don't know if this is encouraging or discouraging to hear, but I think everybody feels helpless in these situations, strong emotions or not. I'm looking at my parents when I feel bad, for example. The question is, how do you react when you feel that feeling of helplessness? Do you run away from the situation or cave in? Do you try do diminute it or blame it on the other person? Or do you just stay and are there for them, even though it hurts? It sounds to me like you do the latter, and that is, I think, what matters most.
UA-cam video idea - can we get a tour of your offices? I wanna see the sword and your other nerdy knick knacks. :D
My wife got me a Bat'leth years ago for my birthday, but I haven't been able to find a mek'leth to go with it.
Big fan of unpaid unintern Donald. Get him on as a guest!
Wedding receptions are good, there's usually food and cake. They can be fun too. I've enjoyed them as an adult, I don't think I liked them when I was a kid...
I'm kind of a call center lifer, but we only do inbound. There are days that we have hours between calls.
I did inbound, but was nonstop . It was public service type so we would get trauma calls. Going on a call seconds after talking someone about suicide was so jarring. I lasted more than a year. Never again.
@@DivinePearl oof. I have twice had a surprise suicide call, one of which turned out to be a prank on followup
The Brandon Sanderson Hotel? Wonder what that Hotel would look like?
I will do whatever I'll do to Moash to that wire article.😊