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Saw a comment on another video that was like "Would you leave your partner for Brennan Lee Mulligan?" and the top answer was "No, because Brennan would be disappointed in me for making that choice." That's the level of devotion Brennan inspires.
In my case, my partner is just so completely AMAZING, that nobody can compete, literally. (Partner is also an amazing DM, incredibly witty, a swift improv guy, and can give Rehka a run for her money in the pun department ::swoon::)
"When you light a candle, with another candle, the first candle isn't diminished. The world just grows brighter. Knowledge is just like that" - Well said Mr. Mulligan. Well said.
I really appreciate that when he mentions the women in his life he both mentions their name and accomplishments, not just their relationship to him. Underrated indicator of maturity.
Brennan is the only writer I know who picked up the tradition of mom's work - she is a writer/graphic novelist - and continued it. One of the seasons of Dimension 20 is her Starstruck Odyssey. It's one of the coolest things he's ever done, and it's a continuation of her vision. Very cool.
It's annoying because we don't have it. The emotional intelligence. Seriously, genuinely. Brennan and those like him often make me cry. As I am now, because it is infuriating, seeing that it's possible. Seeing what life could have been if our parents actually *raised* us. If we had enough money. If we didn't live in poverty and lack opportunities. If we weren't debilitated by health problems and mental health problems that we hardly have the resources to treat. Seeing it's possible is so hurtful. Grief is necessary.
_"Capitalism isolates and alienates people from one another and you become discrete units of labor that are siloed away from meaningful community, and that gives rise to predatory communities like cults and other things that want to address that alienation by then taking advantage of people... "_ ~ You're goddamn right that's a *Brennan Lee Mulligan* quote that I fully and completely agree with
As this went on I was getting more and more bewildered at the lack of an anticapitalist diversion but then just before the end, there it was. Brennan is a treasure
Dont conflate capitalism with human nature. In every period ever there have been isolated groups and cults and the like. And I mean every single one ever. That is not capitalism. It MAY reinforce this natural human tendency but I promise you if I set up the world as idealistic as you want (and it probably wouldnt work) this stuff would still happen.
@@Oversoul-u6v I didn't conflate the two. Movies make me happy. Music makes me happy. Saying movies make me happy doesn't mean I've conflated movies and music. Capitalism isolates and alienates people, and cults (etc.) take advantage of that. Theocratic fascism would probably isolate and alienate people in a different but similar way, and cults (etc.) would likely take advantage of that too. Brennan's argument isn't that Capitalism is the sole origin of cults (nor is it my argument) because that would be an absurd statement. And one that you seem to think he's making. No, instead he's saying that because Capitalism has facets that encourage these behaviors, we should actively work against those aspects of it to fortify community, strengthen interpersonal connections, and stave off the type of isolation that cults (etc.) prey upon. Don't conflate someone pointing out a concept's flaws with the idea that they believe said concept is the only thing to have those flaws.
The fact that Elaine Lee signed her own kid up for D&D is such an incredible move for a parent. Brennan's parents should be studied for how they created and nurtured a Brennan into being.
There is an interview between him and Elaine on Dropout, where the intended topic was how she wrote Starstruck but diverted quickly in a series of anecdotes from Brennan's Childhood. It gives a bit of insight into this.
Having seen this comment prior to getting to that moment in the video made it even better because I simply could not have imagined how great it would be in context 😂
I remember seeing an episode of Game Changer years ago where Izzy had to answer the question of what Brennan 'wanted more than anything' (paraphrasing off the top of my head here, don't come at me.) Izzy's answer was 'to be a father.' 😭❤ So glad this dream has come true for them.
Yessssss that was EXACTLY what I thought of!! It warms my heart so much because I remember thinking, "wow, he will be an incredible father!" when she said that!
Hey, if you have your own washing machine, and you don't live somewhere with vastly different seasons, 10 shirts is plenty. This man probably has a separate wardrobe of LARP clothing though.
It's such a small but enormously powerful statement when Hank says, "I don't know what that is." Refreshing when interviewers don't pretend to know EVERYTHING. Great technique to get the interviewee to elaborate and the audience to relate
It's a great conversational tool in general! A great way to show genuine interest and authenticity, and you can learn some cool stuff at the same time.
It is incredibly depressing that an essential part in the creation of Brennan, as we know him, was winning what is pretty much the lottery (who wants to be a millionaire). This really puts into perspective how many people we have lost.
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould
A twist on this mentality (not to downplay it's tragedy) is that each of us might be that person. Personally, it drives me to strive toward my dreams. Might be too optimistic, but it gives me hope for myself.
as a university lecturer, I really appreciate the 'hidden curriculum' aspects of Brennan's story. He needed someone to tell him the secret ways of getting noticed and finding opportunity in his industry. This is such an underestimated part of finding your career. Rock on fellow nerd!
@@lordofgraphite agreed. I try to make things as transparent as possible. As a student, I hated having to guess what kind of teacher you had. How they have hidden agendas or contradictory ways of doing things. I try to make sure there are no surprises.
As a mid 20s, confused lost artist without a ton of schooling and has half a tooth missing. Greatly appreciate Brennan coming on here and talking to me personally.
As someone who never had the drive of Brennan, but tried my best and never succeeded in the same field. I hope you took to heart the part where he talks about how being the 'two bin Brennan' was the right call for him. I have watched a lot of these type of interviews and having a 'work harder than anyone else' seems to be the most common theme from these folks who have succeeded. Best of luck to you.
The idea that it took so long for someone to truly recognize Brennan's abilities and value in a showrunner and actor position is insane and inspiring to everyone who is trying and failing to achieve their potential. Brennan is probably my favorite human being at this point in my life and I hate to imagine a world where we were never blessed with his chance to give us all the joy he has gifted.
If you want even more of Brennan’s life story, he did a 4.5 hour podcast interview for a podcast called 99 Questions where he goes into even more depth on a lot of his life story.
Its extremely comforting knowing that the DnD club i started when i joined University is not "A waste of time because i should be focusing on my studies" But in fact exactly what i should be doing in this higher education phase of my life "Building a comunity and connections"
The way Brennan talks so directly and frankly about how wealth impacts life and (arts) career opportunities is a heartening contrast to the myth of pure meritocracy that suffused the schools and programs I attended, ngl
Halfway through this I noticed that all of Brennan's name drops consist of "I'm so thankful"s and "they were/are so nice/talented", there's not one case of "look at me, I know this person, I'm important". Great stuff
@@Lorentz_Driver he doesn't come from money, he has talked a lot about growing up poor, without full meals, sleeping on the floor in a single room etc.
I firmly believe that Brennan Lee Mulligan is the ‘best’ interviewee I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. I have listened to this man talk for ungodly lengths of time and I marvel constantly at his beautiful storytelling ability.
If you haven't already, Brennan did a 99 Questions interview than ended up being, like, 4 hours long and breaking their record. I think he talks about some of the same stories (like being a 14-year-old business owner) but also a lot more, and everything he says has that storyteller ring to it.
“Stories are not about their premises, they’re about their conclusions.” This broke my writer brain and now all I want is to read the book this came from. Thank you Mr. Brennan, Sir!
@@Erin-000 teacher here and yes that's why we do what we do. I couldn't be more proud when a student does a better job than I could at an activity I taught them.
Same!! I was always saying practically the same thing about a moment a student “gets it” being the best moment I was ready to hours of work into and he phrased it so perfectly
There's something both comforting and depressing about this. I feel sad for all the 'Brennan Lee Mulligans' that didn't happen because their parents couldn't or wouldn't home school them or champion their storytelling and etc. Glad we've got this one though!
As a new college grad at 31, just about to start my career, I think that every kid who is about to or recently left high school/entered college should watch this interview. The idea of college as a place to gain skills rather than achieve grades is simultaneously self evident and profound. The story that Brennan's worst year ended with his absolute best week is incredibly reassuring. Just two of the most wholesome creators on the internet having a meaningful conversation cannot be undersold. Thank you for making this.
As a person reentering the school system at 31, it’s just kinda nice to hear someone else who had a bit of a late start and made it through. Went to university straight after high school but with no idea what goal I wanted to achieve and no time spent exploring that in high school. It was simply a matter of time before I crashed and burned and I wish the idea that taking the time to figure yourself out before committing to 4 years was something more parents could see merit in. Good high school grades can only take you so far if you begin questioning what this is all for.
This interview made me (in order as best as I can remember it): 1. Question my life choices (I am 18 about to graduate high school) 2. Gawk and Aw at how wise Brennan is and how incredible he is 3. Worry about the future and if I will do well/ take initiative 4. Feel comfort 5. Cry 6. Want to thank my parents 7. Step back to examine my life to try to find any common thread (haven’t found it yet) 8. Feel comfort again, still a bit worried though 9. Ensure that I will absolutely take an acting or improv class when I go to college. Update: I’m currently using a quote from this video in my application for my college’s special STEM program. If I get in, thank you Brennan!
Don’t worry about finding a common thread yet. I found that mindset limited me due to pigeon-holing myself and not trying new “threads” because it wasn’t the one I thought I was following. In a decade or so it’s a nice reflection, but while you’re young it’s better to weave a varied tapestry, than trying to make it all a single theme
It’s so wild to imagine what dropout would be without Brennan, he is what drew me to it and my favorite part of any episode he’s in, I am so glad they recognized his brilliance and gave him a chance. I hope any young hopefuls watching this take it to heart, even people as insanely talented as Brennan can be overlooked and passed on, and it says nothing about your talent or your worth, you will find your place.
Genuinely I had stopped watching College Humor videos for years (not intentionally , the humor just didn’t call to me then) but I remember starting to intermittently watching once he started doing skits with them. I would NEVER have gotten a Dropout subscription (cause I’m frugal and would generally consider it a frivolous expense) if I didn’t want to see more of his DND shows so bad
@@karinagutierrez7134 that was exactly me as well, it was the gateway to me being excited about all of the other shows, and seeing episodes of game changer and Um actually with Brennen on UA-cam just made it even better, now I love so many of their shows!
30:42 LMAO thinking of the clip from misfits and magic where Erika as K is like "Evan doesn't think he's good unless he's useful", god that is relatable
I think in an adventuring party or something about Exandria he spoke specifically about that and how sometimes when roleplaying they hit YOU, not the character but YOU, and that´s just what I see when D&D is the theme
I really appreciate the pop ups for acronyms, I hate hearing a bunch of different acronyms and having to look them up for understanding, only to break the flow of what I'm watching and forgetting the context
I feel like Brennan has found his people. I know many people, myself included, feel a kinship with him and the community he has built. Not just for the content and entertainment, but the sincerity in who he is and how he genuinely cares for the people around him. There's no mask with Brennan, it's just him putting himself forward and saying "here I am world, these are the things I like, I hope you like them too, but I'm just going to do my best and have fun doing it."
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Watching this and jotting down tips for how to follow brennan’s career path like “start college at 14” and “win a bunch of a money on Who Want’s to be a Millionare?”
I think, as a 33 year old aspiring voice actor who never went to college due to anxiety over debt and undiagnosed ADHD, there are a number of parts of this interview that stick out with me. The first is just how utterly charming and relatable Brennan is, even as he tells you the opposite, but the second is that even a man so brilliant and creative and ambitious and driven as him… failed. Under his own work, his own power, he failed to “make it,” even after winning $50,000 on Millionaire and moving to LA. It wasn’t until he met and bonded with people who were ahead of him on their own journeys towards making it did he, this brilliant and hilarious man, “succeed.” It’s somehow both deeply reassuring and frightening as a concept, because I am not so ambitious, nor creative, nor intelligent. So it’s okay that I’ve “failed” to this point, but it’s also clearly not a given that I will one day succeed. But is that going to stop me from trying? Absolutely not. Who knows, my making it could be right around the corner, meeting someone on a rooftop party and starting a game of DnD.
Tangent here but that first sentence is so relatable. The only piece of media that comes close to adapting that feeling is in the anime Welcome To The N.H.K.
Im 29 have adhd, being tested for asd and want to try out voice acting too and have a TON of anxiety on the daily especially about existence, potential debt going to college or just debt in general.. knowing what to do.. family getting ill etc. Its so hard to just shut it all off and get on with the day. So I wholeheartedly understand and relate. We're not so alone I suppose.
@@charlesbwilliamsBrennan has hopped into project for awesome at least twice. And there's one episode of Dear Hank and John where Brennan subbed for John. So there's a few other places to see these two wonderful human beings interact.
@@charlesbwilliamsIt's called Mentopolis, and the gist of it is Inside Out as film noir. However, it's not using D&D rules. Instead, it uses a modified version of Kids On Bikes.
As a seventeen year old who suffers from burn-out due to being permanently goal oriented, this helped more that imaginable. Hearing brennan's collegiate experiences truly ruptured my view of who I am and where I'm going in a way that I think I really needed. trying not to cry, Thank you
Hank just wanted an excuse to hang out with Brennan for a couple hours, didn't he? That's okay - conveniently, I wanted it too! Thank you for this interview!
Hearing Brennan talk about how hard it was to get into College Humor and even then for how long it took for them to appreciate his prodigious improv skills, comedic and dramatic…it’s daunting to think of how close that almost came to not happening if he had backed off even a little bit instead of pushing for new opportunities. Reminds me of that Star Trek: TNG where Picard saw his alternate, lackluster future if he had stopped making the risky moves. I’m so glad we’re in this Brendan’s timeline!
I don't know if Brennan is ADHD/ Autistic, but so much of his personality and his story resonates with me and so many more neurodivergent people. I truly understand the feeling that you have to immediately prove your usefulness to a group of people before they toss you in the dumpster, and I hope that both of us can overcome that. Thank you for all that you do Mr. Mulligan and I hope that your kid grows up understanding how lucky they are to have a dad like you.
I have adhd and currently being tested for asd and I relate a lot! Worrying about how youre percieved constantly is a huge one for me and I hope I can lessen the anxiety some day.
@@happyclam1266that's a weird thing to say when they were specifically referring to a drawback of ADHD (people pleasing based in rejection sensitivity sucks, actually.)
Surprising things I have in common with Brennan Lee Mulligan: Bullied at a Waldorf school, homeschooled, the Wayfinder Experience, an obsession with Tolkien. Sir i just wanna talk 😂
just finished watching and as someone very close to finishing my degreee and delivering my master's thesis I am emotionally wrecked and simultaneously wishing I could send this to me at the start of college
I have three degrees... And most people think I say that to brag, but really I was too sick to hold down a job while I waited for a liver transplant and absolutely HAD to do something I saw as productive to give myself a reason to keep going. Finding out you've got a terminal illness at age 16 is a really quick way to become extremely depressed. College was the only thing I could do well and feel good about myself for. Maybe would have done one less degree had I known I'd live to pay off the loans. 😂
honestly when your life is disrupted like that you need to find *something* you can brag about XD even just because of how many other milestones you miss. there's something you can point to and say see, i wasn't just falling behind. i haven't been able to attend school for years due to chronic illness (thankfully not terminal if it's kept in check) and it's incredible that you were able to do that. my only achievements to speak of are my ACT scores from 8th grade and finding ways to not be depressed despite barely being able to make food for myself every day. hearing this interview is like watching through a portal of what might've happened if those ACT scores actually went anywhere and i wasn't too sick to function
@@nerdywolverine8640 you're very right. Finding anything to hold on to is so important with chronic illnesses. Despite my education I've applied to over 1000 jobs over the past year and remain unemployed. So often the only people telling us that we're good enough is ourselves. Even when good enough is just getting through the day, you still got through that day. I did end up being part of a lawsuit for a version of legal speed my doctors had put me on to get me through school. I definitely didn't do it on my own organ failure level of energy. But that is also okay and doesn't make me bad. (Things I still have to say out loud to myself). I get you, and I hope the maintenance of your flesh prison becomes easier for you. 🖤
I wish my illness pushed me to keep learning. Instead I dropped out and got addicted to drugs to cope. I'm clean now and desperately want to go to college but I don't feel capable with how often I am sick. I wish i had someone to guide me.
@nerdywolverine8640 I can relate very much. I'm still often stuck in bed. Dreaming of so much more. I have so much drive and potential yet feel too unwell to go go go. If I could overcome the anxiety and self doubt I know I could find a way to fulfill my dreams and cope with the chronic illness. Years keep passing through.
That's such a friend moment- the gentle call out of- right, that's great that you do that BUT moment. And Brennan's "oh no I've been clocked" response right away of discomfort/recognition/appreciation. It's so sweet.
The number of times that Hank was me and said "I don't know what X is" cannot be understated. I appreciate him asking the true questions so I could google a whole lot less XD
The realisation that college is for skill building and not just grade getting came far too late in my life once I had already graduated. I don’t know why this occurred to me so late, and it gives me this huge sense of loss that I don’t know what to do about. I really admire people like Brennan who found what they loved and went after it, and made it such an integral part of their life, instead of just ticking the boxes of traditional “success” and then realising later, “what the hell am I doing?” “Why am I doing this?” “Do I even want to be doing this?”
I wish this video had existed 15 years ago. This was lovely and exactly what 15 years ago me needed. It is what today me enjoyed. I am happy people graduating now and starting their lives now will have this.
Brennan's too sad truth of always worrying you're going to be hated and bullied every time you enter a new community is indeed so sad. He is one of the most beautifully kind-hearted and genuine human beings on this planet.
I say this with all due respect; Brennan's story feels like the modern analogue of "I joined the circus" and honestly, deepest, deepest respect cuz the man is ROCKING it! Also super grateful that he had his brother every step of the way. Alone, that journey would have been so hard.
10:28 As a teacher, this is so true. I tell my students that my favorite sound is that "ooOOOOOOOOoooohhh!" that kids say when a concept they've been working on finally clicks. It sounds like learning. And the "lighting of a second candle doesn't diminish the first. Knowledge is just something that when you share it there's just more. There's no scarcity" 😍😭
The thing about the learning being more important than the grades is so true. As a lecturer i always tried to get those two things as close to each other as possible. Wasn't in education long enough to nail it
I can longer accurately count the number of times that listening to Brennan Lee Mulligan has brought me to tears. In delight, in grief, and most importantly in a moment of insight that fills me with so much awe, that I have to shed tears because the experience is too vast to stay inside me. Thank you Brennan, for the gift of getting to exist at the same time as you. (Quit staring, being reverent is self-care for me)
I think that given long enough, had he not already come to this conclusion is that reverence is the mark of a great teacher. The amount of reverence and his acknowledgement of deep abiding gratitude he shows to his own mentor I think would lead anyone to a similar conclusion. "You were there and for such a simple and yet heavy burden I can never repay the debt" is deeply powerful. Being open and available to be that person for another is truly the ONLY way to make any reparations.
Not for the first time, Brennan has put into words something that I thought was only a me experience and never knew how to express to someone. What a wise, articulate, profoundly good man.
@@Erin-000 The part about feeling like you are the value you contribute to a group, and coming from a background where you know you'll have less opportunities to grab the brass ring than the people around you.
The thing that stuck with me from this *the most* was the discussion of not having to question what they were doing in college. I did both. I was undeclared engineering, declared for mechanical at the end of my first semester. But I had always wanted to be a teacher, a writer, to think about words and stories, and I took an incredible class by a great professor about pragmatics. So I switched to a 5 year dual-degree program to add Comparative Humanities as a major. Despite being initially given support, "now is the time to optimize your learning", I felt the need from the start to justify myself. I felt the need to justify going into engineering as a woman at all! Because I was questioned. But then to add on a humanities degree, I was asked why so many times... I ended up writing my departmental thesis about what being a humanist taught me about engineering and what engineering taught me about being a humanist. I think so very differently about engineering because I have a tree to put knowledge in. Worth noting that engineering learning has only added a 2nd dimension to their visual models of pedagogy in the last decade or so (the T Shaped Engineer). And so I wrote essays about the symbology of the T and the tree of life and the Vitruvian man. About gendered phenomenology in teaching dynamics. I wrote a thesis about that question of "what are you doing here? how will it serve you?" and I had to do that before I really got the chance to find out. This isn't bitterness, I think self-justification is my "two bin Brennan" philosophy. But I think I held some... disbelief or belief that it was willful ignorance about the people for whom justification was never part of their equation. I definitely resonate with a bunch of what was said, including being a "very alienating homeschooled kid with a lot of, you know, animal facts and philosophy stuff that's gonna be a huge burden on people I talk to." I also had a camp that gave me a home (shoutout Young Musicians & Artists)! But that difference stood out to me and is something I'm going to be thinking about for a long while. Thank you for the thoughtful conversation.
I’m a 21 yr old who did dual credit in high school (similar to the college thing Brennan did just at 16 instead) and recently graduated college. I’ve felt so lost and overwhelmed and discouraged by my circumstances and living at home with conservative Christian family and struggle with a myriad of mental illnesses. This interview gave me so much hope that someone else had a similar experience of “I did everything I was supposed to in school and now I’ve been spit back up on the pavement with a piece of paper and nothing else” who then went on to be someone I really admire and love. Brennan your shows are sometimes all that’s keeping me going and I need you to know that while maybe you’re not teaching directly you’re still making a huge impact ❤❤❤
From someone who's 31, I also felt incredibly lost and behind in my early to mid 20s. . . people tell you that high school is when you figure yourself out, with the implication that once you graduate college you will have it figured out. But nah. My 20s were also a time of trying to figure out myself and my place in the world. I was 29 when I felt like an adult, secure in my own skin, for the first time. You're not alone. Many many people feel lost at 21. I'd honestly go so far as to say it's normal. (And yeah. I totally get the living at home with conservative Christian parents and a bunch of mental illnesses coz same.)
your 20s are usually madness because you're getting (and having) to experience so many things for the first time. try not to put pressure on yourself to have it "figured out". remember, this is everyone else's first time too, no matter how confident they seem. oppressive institutions thrive on us feeling hopeless. finding community and joy is an act of resistance. you've got this.
Brennan's Mom is amazing. Her son is a real testament to how a loving and caring parent can mold someone into an amazing person. I wish my mom had even shown a fraction of the love and care his mom did to him!
Ive been planning on getting a GED for a second now and have felt a bit insecure about it. Even though the circumstances are drastically different, learning that this utterly brilliant and wise man has a GED has officially secured me.
It's always so relieving to me hearing people who 'have made it' talk about how they actually got there. I'm currently in that stage of trying to figure out what the hell I'm supposed to do with my life now that my original plan of just get a degree and then a job fell through. (thanks for that, chronic health issues!) Hearing Brennan talk about the kind of steps it actually takes rather than just good grades, really made me feel like I'm doing kinda alright. I sort of begrudgingly applied for volunteering work recently, just so I'd have something to do, but now I see that those kinds of experiences are exactly the kind of thing I need.
As a (former) teacher, I 100% get what Brennan says about the "look" of when someone gets it and makes the knowledge you are giving them their own. So enriching and rewarding! ☺
For the record, I love vlogbrothers, I love dropout, I've even seen niche crossovers of these two with Dinemsion 20 Mentopolis and Dear Hank and John. But, For some reason, this format just hits different. Being able to hear someone's life story in such a candid and slow way is incredibly fulfilling. And these guys do so many wonderful things I didn't think they could do a new kind of fulfilling, but here we are 🙂
I love how Brennan is an example of the best way to be a leader is to be a loving and inviting individual, and to teach by setting a great example. People don't become their best selves by going through trauma and hardship, but by interacting with people like Brennan who invites and shares their love and knowledge. A seed he seems to have inherited from his mom, dad, mentors, that will hopefully spread to others in his life. Atleast that's my impression of him.
Brennan’s story about the waterfall after college and having all of the steps beforehand be placed by adults in our lives is incredibly relatable and I wish this was communicated to college students more - glad you are providing a place for stories like these!!
A week ago I learned that Brennan and I are the same age, and that made me feel terrible; I'm currently unemployed, living with my parents and feeling like I didn't accomplish anything. Watching this interview really put on perspective that him and I have had really different lifes, with different challenges and opportunities, and one) he got were he is because he had the support and chances I never had (not that he didn't work hard for it, he obviously did) and two) Things can change and all the learnings and knowledge I have could help me tomorrow, if I don't give up.
You'll make it. It's easy to compare our current with other people's lives. I'm much younger but i often feel that way too. But if anything Brennan wouldn't want us to feel that about this interview. Let's be successful in our own paths.
This was actually incredible. I regard BLeeM as the greatest living DM, and I am sometimes envious at how gifted and successful he is. But to see that he "fell off" a great trajectory, had doors slammed in his face on the thing he is actually good at, worked crappy jobs living in rough conditions, that he lacked focus and failed to see what mattered, that he struggled, and that in the end each of those steps brought him to where he is today, makes this the greatest interview I have EVER SEEN.
I really enjoy this snapshot into Brennan Lee Mulligans' life. I do find it extraordinary ironic that a philosophy major didn't question things enough in school.
Many great pearls of wisdom but top of the heap is "get face time with decision makers." Work ethic is absolutely crucial but there's a very good reason why they say "it's who you know" - it's astonishingly true, learn to network. Combine that with substance/value and you're chances of success, however you define it, are greatly improved. I also appreciate Brennan's vulnerability, candor, and zeal.
Brennan's monologue at the end of CR Calamity is still burned in my mind. And I go back and watch it from time to time. Why do we tell stories? Such an amazing prompt for thinking about humanity at both a micro and macro level.
This is the single best interview Brennan has ever had. Or at least that I’ve watched. It’s nice for it to take a couple steps back from d&d and just talk about the man himself, his philosophy, and experiences I’ve honestly resonated with a lot of what he said it’s made be understand more about my self
My son is currently getting bullied in a very similar fashion, for very similar reasons. I worry so much about how this will effect him later on, thanks for giving me a little glimmer that he’ll be ok and move past this.
Note that Brennan was pulled out of school and enrolled into martial arts because of this; bullying doesn't go away on its own. Something has to change.
I don't hear him saying he moved past it, that part about always providing value when he walks into a new community? That's a trauma response. Please consider age appropriate therapy for your kiddo.
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Love this my child will be taking advantage of this.
Saw a comment on another video that was like "Would you leave your partner for Brennan Lee Mulligan?" and the top answer was "No, because Brennan would be disappointed in me for making that choice."
That's the level of devotion Brennan inspires.
He's a very ethical, noble soul and that is just so admirable.
Hahaha
The trick is to date someone who would also not leave you for BLeeM because BLeeM would be disappointed.
In my case, my partner is just so completely AMAZING, that nobody can compete, literally.
(Partner is also an amazing DM, incredibly witty, a swift improv guy, and can give Rehka a run for her money in the pun department ::swoon::)
@@FallacyBitesalright lovebird, get a room!
"When you light a candle, with another candle, the first candle isn't diminished. The world just grows brighter. Knowledge is just like that" - Well said Mr. Mulligan. Well said.
Earl Nightingale
@@Saternaliaexactly. It's a super well known quote
Amusing because Brennan should have corrected the fallacy, as light for sight is not perceived linearly.
And the same goes for piracy. Wonder if he thinks the same about Dropout being pirated.
@@Mezuzah87 What about that is wrong? Light gets added and the world is brighter...
So Brennan and his brother were basically the original Phineas and Ferb? Highly precocious step twins getting into hijinks.
literally; they just started a larp camp because. they wanted to😭
Hell Brennan is already a redhead and has a famous (for lack of a better word) mom so it works out hilariously.
I hope his brother has green hair
This is a direct intersection of my love of improv and my love of Perry the Platypus... WILD!!!
@@crstphweren’t they a little young to be starting a LARP camp?
i love that this is a friendship between a science guy that cares about art and and art guy that cares about science. absolutely lovely 💚
Beautifully worded!
this is a beautiful comment
I am a science guy that cares about art. Hmmmm….
@@ktakar2 im an art guy that cares about science!
@@mossman15 @ktakar2
Alright, so when's the wedding?
I am preemptively getting in the comments.
Love it 😂
My man
You know what’s up
Incredible
BleeM is proud of you
I really appreciate that when he mentions the women in his life he both mentions their name and accomplishments, not just their relationship to him. Underrated indicator of maturity.
Brennan is the only writer I know who picked up the tradition of mom's work - she is a writer/graphic novelist - and continued it. One of the seasons of Dimension 20 is her Starstruck Odyssey. It's one of the coolest things he's ever done, and it's a continuation of her vision. Very cool.
This man is a level of emotionally healthy that is beautiful and almost annoying
A lot of it due to wonderful parenting
Philosophy major gone RIGHT.
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It's mostly frustrating because he really emphasizes what his parents did well that mine were completely incapable of..
It's annoying because we don't have it. The emotional intelligence.
Seriously, genuinely. Brennan and those like him often make me cry. As I am now, because it is infuriating, seeing that it's possible. Seeing what life could have been if our parents actually *raised* us. If we had enough money. If we didn't live in poverty and lack opportunities. If we weren't debilitated by health problems and mental health problems that we hardly have the resources to treat.
Seeing it's possible is so hurtful. Grief is necessary.
_"Capitalism isolates and alienates people from one another and you become discrete units of labor that are siloed away from meaningful community, and that gives rise to predatory communities like cults and other things that want to address that alienation by then taking advantage of people... "_
~ You're goddamn right that's a *Brennan Lee Mulligan* quote that I fully and completely agree with
originally this (and this is as far back as I'm aware it goes) was said by Karl Marx (the first part, not sure about the predatory cult part)
As this went on I was getting more and more bewildered at the lack of an anticapitalist diversion but then just before the end, there it was. Brennan is a treasure
and yet....
Dont conflate capitalism with human nature. In every period ever there have been isolated groups and cults and the like. And I mean every single one ever. That is not capitalism. It MAY reinforce this natural human tendency but I promise you if I set up the world as idealistic as you want (and it probably wouldnt work) this stuff would still happen.
@@Oversoul-u6v I didn't conflate the two.
Movies make me happy. Music makes me happy. Saying movies make me happy doesn't mean I've conflated movies and music. Capitalism isolates and alienates people, and cults (etc.) take advantage of that. Theocratic fascism would probably isolate and alienate people in a different but similar way, and cults (etc.) would likely take advantage of that too. Brennan's argument isn't that Capitalism is the sole origin of cults (nor is it my argument) because that would be an absurd statement. And one that you seem to think he's making. No, instead he's saying that because Capitalism has facets that encourage these behaviors, we should actively work against those aspects of it to fortify community, strengthen interpersonal connections, and stave off the type of isolation that cults (etc.) prey upon.
Don't conflate someone pointing out a concept's flaws with the idea that they believe said concept is the only thing to have those flaws.
Seeing the thumbnail like “oh Brennan Lee Mulligan!” then seeing the channel like “oh! Brennan Lee Mulligan???”
hank green was actually on dimension 20 for a short season not too long ago! they're buds
@@connor7261 Oh cool good to know! I had no idea
@rorysayswhat called Metropolis and it's on Dropout!
One of my favorite short seasons if not my favorite.
@@cartatowegs5080 Mentopolis actually
@@kennylog1ns and it is absolutely a phenomenal season. Hank's character is hilarious and all too relatable lol
"We did that, parent trapped 'em" oh suddenly everything about Brennan's life makes sense
Hank Green + Brennan Lee Mulligan = Greatness, guaranteed.
That’s why Mentopolis was so good, as well as because of everyone else
I ship it.
So did Hank 🤣@@BeeOstrowsky
eh hank is kinda cringe but Brennan is a treasure
@@BeeOstrowsky gross.
The fact that Elaine Lee signed her own kid up for D&D is such an incredible move for a parent. Brennan's parents should be studied for how they created and nurtured a Brennan into being.
There is an interview between him and Elaine on Dropout, where the intended topic was how she wrote Starstruck but diverted quickly in a series of anecdotes from Brennan's Childhood. It gives a bit of insight into this.
@@aDivineDragoness oooh I must search that out!
Honestly it reminded me of my dad and his introducing me to D&D, I just wish that he stayed that person fr.
He seems like he was a precocious child anyway- his parents did exactly the right thing and nurtured his interests and gave him opportunities
“He meant Yugoslavia and I went *gasp* Atlantis!” truly had me cry laughing
I immediately put that into my DnD Character concept notes lol
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Thx for the time stamp, love ya!
Having seen this comment prior to getting to that moment in the video made it even better because I simply could not have imagined how great it would be in context 😂
@@CarolinaGothic35 I just came here to comment the exact same, I was waiting for that magical moment.
I remember seeing an episode of Game Changer years ago where Izzy had to answer the question of what Brennan 'wanted more than anything' (paraphrasing off the top of my head here, don't come at me.) Izzy's answer was 'to be a father.' 😭❤ So glad this dream has come true for them.
I thought the same thing when he said he had a baby. I almost cried for him
Yessssss that was EXACTLY what I thought of!! It warms my heart so much because I remember thinking, "wow, he will be an incredible father!" when she said that!
@@indigostitches5411 Brennan has HUGE Big Dad Energy
I for sure cried when they announced, cause 🥹
I’m pretty sure it was the first episode of GameChanger!
Brennan truly has like 10 shirts. I recognize both of those shirts he's wearing
Frugal king 👑
He is wearing his nice shirt and the blue ring combo in this one.
LMAO THAT'S SO REAL
Why have more shirts?
Hey, if you have your own washing machine, and you don't live somewhere with vastly different seasons, 10 shirts is plenty.
This man probably has a separate wardrobe of LARP clothing though.
It's such a small but enormously powerful statement when Hank says, "I don't know what that is." Refreshing when interviewers don't pretend to know EVERYTHING. Great technique to get the interviewee to elaborate and the audience to relate
the strength to say "I dont know, please elaborate." is so empowering. 10/10 would recommend.
It's a great conversational tool in general! A great way to show genuine interest and authenticity, and you can learn some cool stuff at the same time.
It is incredibly depressing that an essential part in the creation of Brennan, as we know him, was winning what is pretty much the lottery (who wants to be a millionaire). This really puts into perspective how many people we have lost.
Yeah, that's true
yup
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
― Stephen Jay Gould
Yes!!!! This
A twist on this mentality (not to downplay it's tragedy) is that each of us might be that person. Personally, it drives me to strive toward my dreams. Might be too optimistic, but it gives me hope for myself.
as a university lecturer, I really appreciate the 'hidden curriculum' aspects of Brennan's story. He needed someone to tell him the secret ways of getting noticed and finding opportunity in his industry. This is such an underestimated part of finding your career. Rock on fellow nerd!
Such a cruel aspect of formal education considering nuerospicy peeps 😢
@@lordofgraphite agreed. I try to make things as transparent as possible. As a student, I hated having to guess what kind of teacher you had. How they have hidden agendas or contradictory ways of doing things. I try to make sure there are no surprises.
Angry parents want to show you how powerful they are.
Loving parents want to show you how powerful YOU are.
Fuck that hit hard.
Well said.
A privilege not enough people recognize.
Ok, the amount of effort Hank and Brenden are putting in to just stay on topic must be massive.
There is no corner of my heart I would not turn over for this man
*these men
There, I fixed it
But do you have 5 points to spare him? He really needs those points.
Especially for five points.
So true
And 5 points
Brennan's phrasing of "suddenly you're just a guy in New York" post-education hit me real hard and I'm almost ten years out of college.
As a mid 20s, confused lost artist without a ton of schooling and has half a tooth missing. Greatly appreciate Brennan coming on here and talking to me personally.
So many of us! I was Brennan at the same time, in NYC and everything. Feel so seen
As someone who never had the drive of Brennan, but tried my best and never succeeded in the same field. I hope you took to heart the part where he talks about how being the 'two bin Brennan' was the right call for him. I have watched a lot of these type of interviews and having a 'work harder than anyone else' seems to be the most common theme from these folks who have succeeded. Best of luck to you.
I'm glad to see there's so many of us cut from the same Brennan-themed cloth!
Good luck my friend, I’m sure you’ll find your way soon
The idea that it took so long for someone to truly recognize Brennan's abilities and value in a showrunner and actor position is insane and inspiring to everyone who is trying and failing to achieve their potential. Brennan is probably my favorite human being at this point in my life and I hate to imagine a world where we were never blessed with his chance to give us all the joy he has gifted.
I want a memoir... This life story is insane.
If you want even more of Brennan’s life story, he did a 4.5 hour podcast interview for a podcast called 99 Questions where he goes into even more depth on a lot of his life story.
Every time i learn a new detail it gets more crazy
Do you know where I can find it? It doesn't come up for me @@SuperOmi
agreed
@@SuperOmi thank for for this ❤
Its extremely comforting knowing that the DnD club i started when i joined University is not "A waste of time because i should be focusing on my studies" But in fact exactly what i should be doing in this higher education phase of my life "Building a comunity and connections"
winning!
Brennan talking about how he taught Emily Axford how to play D&D... Needs a record scratch 'you may be wondering how I got here' moment
Yes both Emily AND Murph! (even though I guess I technically knew this already, it's still mindboggling to think about!)
@@yeyejoijoi and in that way he's kinda started THREE dnd shows in his life - D20, WBN AND NADDPOD!
And Rotating Heroes Pod by Zac Oyama @@DustyStarrs
@@halcyon_echo42 oh ofc!
He also taught Lou. I'd say he taught Ally, but let's be honest their D&D education was a group effort.
The way Brennan talks so directly and frankly about how wealth impacts life and (arts) career opportunities is a heartening contrast to the myth of pure meritocracy that suffused the schools and programs I attended, ngl
When I was 21, I found out how wealth impacts life. I saw it every day in public school and on the parking lot. I still see it to this day.
"They would ask me 'is UCB a cult?' And I'd say, 'in a "cult," *someone's* getting paid."
Halfway through this I noticed that all of Brennan's name drops consist of "I'm so thankful"s and "they were/are so nice/talented", there's not one case of "look at me, I know this person, I'm important". Great stuff
He comes from money but is still humble. Great man.
@@Lorentz_Driver he doesn't come from money, he has talked a lot about growing up poor, without full meals, sleeping on the floor in a single room etc.
@@Lorentz_Driver I think you might be thinking of Sam Reich.
I firmly believe that Brennan Lee Mulligan is the ‘best’ interviewee I have ever had the pleasure of listening to. I have listened to this man talk for ungodly lengths of time and I marvel constantly at his beautiful storytelling ability.
Have you listened to the 99 questions podcast? His is the longest one but it feels so short because it's just a lovely, interesting conversation.
If you haven't already, Brennan did a 99 Questions interview than ended up being, like, 4 hours long and breaking their record. I think he talks about some of the same stories (like being a 14-year-old business owner) but also a lot more, and everything he says has that storyteller ring to it.
That interview is so great! Definitely give it a listen if you haven't.
UA-cam really went, “Well, we know you love Hank and Brennan and D&D so we’ll recommend this - 5 days later.”
Exactly the same lol. I watch so much of both of these guys
It took them 10 days to recommend it to me...
I'm gonna need the Dropout app to notify me of these things if youtube is gonna drop the ball like this.
If you have the Dropout sub, Hank was on a season of Dimension 20
@@RT-py7ju I don't. I did see some highlights that were uploaded to YT, though.
Took one month for me
Two of my parasocially favorite people
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“Stories are not about their premises, they’re about their conclusions.”
This broke my writer brain and now all I want is to read the book this came from. Thank you Mr. Brennan, Sir!
That moment when a kid "gets it" is why I became a teacher and Brennan couldn't have articulated it better.
Time stamp?
@@Erin-000 It's around the 10 minute mark.
@@Erin-000 teacher here and yes that's why we do what we do. I couldn't be more proud when a student does a better job than I could at an activity I taught them.
Same!! I was always saying practically the same thing about a moment a student “gets it” being the best moment I was ready to hours of work into and he phrased it so perfectly
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There's something both comforting and depressing about this. I feel sad for all the 'Brennan Lee Mulligans' that didn't happen because their parents couldn't or wouldn't home school them or champion their storytelling and etc. Glad we've got this one though!
If you want to judge a man, give him power. Brennan came from wealth and chose to improve the world. Based man.
As a new college grad at 31, just about to start my career, I think that every kid who is about to or recently left high school/entered college should watch this interview. The idea of college as a place to gain skills rather than achieve grades is simultaneously self evident and profound. The story that Brennan's worst year ended with his absolute best week is incredibly reassuring. Just two of the most wholesome creators on the internet having a meaningful conversation cannot be undersold.
Thank you for making this.
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As a person reentering the school system at 31, it’s just kinda nice to hear someone else who had a bit of a late start and made it through.
Went to university straight after high school but with no idea what goal I wanted to achieve and no time spent exploring that in high school.
It was simply a matter of time before I crashed and burned and I wish the idea that taking the time to figure yourself out before committing to 4 years was something more parents could see merit in.
Good high school grades can only take you so far if you begin questioning what this is all for.
"The lighting of a second candle does not diminish the first"
Wonderful.
I'm going to think about this every day.
he's quoting Earl Nightingale, FYI. I can't find the source rn but pretty sure Earl was talking about learning/sharing.
love the protection of kids privacy from both parties. As a pastors kid, im giving this practice a big thumbs up.
I am so sorry that you might not have had that kind of privacy growing up.
I'm sure Brennan will also disagree with me voraciously, but his description of his philosophy teacher as a perfect man is exactly how I see Brennan
Yes, same. Exactly. And I always think, "He would probably disagree with how I idolize him." But, uh. . . sucks for him, he's my hero
Honestly, I agree. I know his humility wouldn't accept that. But that's why I know he's the best.
This interview made me (in order as best as I can remember it):
1. Question my life choices (I am 18 about to graduate high school)
2. Gawk and Aw at how wise Brennan is and how incredible he is
3. Worry about the future and if I will do well/ take initiative
4. Feel comfort
5. Cry
6. Want to thank my parents
7. Step back to examine my life to try to find any common thread (haven’t found it yet)
8. Feel comfort again, still a bit worried though
9. Ensure that I will absolutely take an acting or improv class when I go to college.
Update: I’m currently using a quote from this video in my application for my college’s special STEM program. If I get in, thank you Brennan!
If you were able to observe & self-assess all that already, I suspect you are better equipped then you might realize.
I’m crying rn 😭
As an eighteen year old this is so real
Don’t worry about finding a common thread yet. I found that mindset limited me due to pigeon-holing myself and not trying new “threads” because it wasn’t the one I thought I was following. In a decade or so it’s a nice reflection, but while you’re young it’s better to weave a varied tapestry, than trying to make it all a single theme
Roll initiative. ❤
As one of Brennan’s former improv 101 students, he was the best teacher I’d ever had and made me absolutely love comedy and performing. Thank you
Thank you Hank and Brennan for your time! I, for one, appreciate hearing your words.
We appreciate hearing (reading) your words!
It’s so wild to imagine what dropout would be without Brennan, he is what drew me to it and my favorite part of any episode he’s in, I am so glad they recognized his brilliance and gave him a chance. I hope any young hopefuls watching this take it to heart, even people as insanely talented as Brennan can be overlooked and passed on, and it says nothing about your talent or your worth, you will find your place.
Genuinely I had stopped watching College Humor videos for years (not intentionally , the humor just didn’t call to me then) but I remember starting to intermittently watching once he started doing skits with them. I would NEVER have gotten a Dropout subscription (cause I’m frugal and would generally consider it a frivolous expense) if I didn’t want to see more of his DND shows so bad
@@karinagutierrez7134 that was exactly me as well, it was the gateway to me being excited about all of the other shows, and seeing episodes of game changer and Um actually with Brennen on UA-cam just made it even better, now I love so many of their shows!
30:42 LMAO thinking of the clip from misfits and magic where Erika as K is like "Evan doesn't think he's good unless he's useful", god that is relatable
I loved that. It both called me out AND spoke to me.
Sniped through the door 😂
Literally i heard that part and came to the comments. It was like erika was in the room with us.
I think in an adventuring party or something about Exandria he spoke specifically about that and how sometimes when roleplaying they hit YOU, not the character but YOU, and that´s just what I see when D&D is the theme
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I really appreciate the pop ups for acronyms, I hate hearing a bunch of different acronyms and having to look them up for understanding, only to break the flow of what I'm watching and forgetting the context
This interview feels like a therapy session 😮 (to be clear I mean that as a compliment)
The highest of compliments in my opinion!
Agreed
Yes! Nailed it! :)
For the viewers as well. Some real gems here
I feel like Brennan has found his people. I know many people, myself included, feel a kinship with him and the community he has built. Not just for the content and entertainment, but the sincerity in who he is and how he genuinely cares for the people around him. There's no mask with Brennan, it's just him putting himself forward and saying "here I am world, these are the things I like, I hope you like them too, but I'm just going to do my best and have fun doing it."
Watching this and jotting down tips for how to follow brennan’s career path like “start college at 14” and “win a bunch of a money on Who Want’s to be a Millionare?”
I think, as a 33 year old aspiring voice actor who never went to college due to anxiety over debt and undiagnosed ADHD, there are a number of parts of this interview that stick out with me. The first is just how utterly charming and relatable Brennan is, even as he tells you the opposite, but the second is that even a man so brilliant and creative and ambitious and driven as him… failed. Under his own work, his own power, he failed to “make it,” even after winning $50,000 on Millionaire and moving to LA. It wasn’t until he met and bonded with people who were ahead of him on their own journeys towards making it did he, this brilliant and hilarious man, “succeed.”
It’s somehow both deeply reassuring and frightening as a concept, because I am not so ambitious, nor creative, nor intelligent. So it’s okay that I’ve “failed” to this point, but it’s also clearly not a given that I will one day succeed. But is that going to stop me from trying? Absolutely not. Who knows, my making it could be right around the corner, meeting someone on a rooftop party and starting a game of DnD.
I really love this, and I wish you endless amounts amounts of luck
Tangent here but that first sentence is so relatable. The only piece of media that comes close to adapting that feeling is in the anime Welcome To The N.H.K.
Im 29 have adhd, being tested for asd and want to try out voice acting too and have a TON of anxiety on the daily especially about existence, potential debt going to college or just debt in general.. knowing what to do.. family getting ill etc. Its so hard to just shut it all off and get on with the day.
So I wholeheartedly understand and relate. We're not so alone I suppose.
This was not the crossover I expected but it was definitely the crossover I needed.
Have you seen the dungeons and dragons campaign he ran with Hank?
@@robyncorson4002 No I haven't but I'll have to watch that ASAP. I'm new to DND and am just now finishing up S1 of Fantasy High.
Hank's Mentopolis character is one of my favorite characters (among many, to be fair) that D20 has blessed us with. @@charlesbwilliams
@@charlesbwilliamsBrennan has hopped into project for awesome at least twice. And there's one episode of Dear Hank and John where Brennan subbed for John. So there's a few other places to see these two wonderful human beings interact.
@@charlesbwilliamsIt's called Mentopolis, and the gist of it is Inside Out as film noir.
However, it's not using D&D rules. Instead, it uses a modified version of Kids On Bikes.
As a seventeen year old who suffers from burn-out due to being permanently goal oriented, this helped more that imaginable. Hearing brennan's collegiate experiences truly ruptured my view of who I am and where I'm going in a way that I think I really needed. trying not to cry, Thank you
Hank just wanted an excuse to hang out with Brennan for a couple hours, didn't he? That's okay - conveniently, I wanted it too! Thank you for this interview!
Hearing Brennan talk about how hard it was to get into College Humor and even then for how long it took for them to appreciate his prodigious improv skills, comedic and dramatic…it’s daunting to think of how close that almost came to not happening if he had backed off even a little bit instead of pushing for new opportunities.
Reminds me of that Star Trek: TNG where Picard saw his alternate, lackluster future if he had stopped making the risky moves. I’m so glad we’re in this Brendan’s timeline!
I don't know if Brennan is ADHD/ Autistic, but so much of his personality and his story resonates with me and so many more neurodivergent people. I truly understand the feeling that you have to immediately prove your usefulness to a group of people before they toss you in the dumpster, and I hope that both of us can overcome that. Thank you for all that you do Mr. Mulligan and I hope that your kid grows up understanding how lucky they are to have a dad like you.
I have adhd and currently being tested for asd and I relate a lot! Worrying about how youre percieved constantly is a huge one for me and I hope I can lessen the anxiety some day.
People can have the benefits of ADHD without being ADHD.
@@happyclam1266that's a weird thing to say when they were specifically referring to a drawback of ADHD (people pleasing based in rejection sensitivity sucks, actually.)
Surprising things I have in common with Brennan Lee Mulligan: Bullied at a Waldorf school, homeschooled, the Wayfinder Experience, an obsession with Tolkien. Sir i just wanna talk 😂
just finished watching and as someone very close to finishing my degreee and delivering my master's thesis I am emotionally wrecked and simultaneously wishing I could send this to me at the start of college
This is the end of one journey, but the start of another. You are ready to embark on this next chapter. I believe in you. ❤
At his darkest hour Brennan gets the call “you’re a big dork” made me laugh and cry
I have three degrees... And most people think I say that to brag, but really I was too sick to hold down a job while I waited for a liver transplant and absolutely HAD to do something I saw as productive to give myself a reason to keep going. Finding out you've got a terminal illness at age 16 is a really quick way to become extremely depressed. College was the only thing I could do well and feel good about myself for. Maybe would have done one less degree had I known I'd live to pay off the loans. 😂
honestly when your life is disrupted like that you need to find *something* you can brag about XD even just because of how many other milestones you miss. there's something you can point to and say see, i wasn't just falling behind.
i haven't been able to attend school for years due to chronic illness (thankfully not terminal if it's kept in check) and it's incredible that you were able to do that. my only achievements to speak of are my ACT scores from 8th grade and finding ways to not be depressed despite barely being able to make food for myself every day. hearing this interview is like watching through a portal of what might've happened if those ACT scores actually went anywhere and i wasn't too sick to function
@@nerdywolverine8640 you're very right. Finding anything to hold on to is so important with chronic illnesses. Despite my education I've applied to over 1000 jobs over the past year and remain unemployed. So often the only people telling us that we're good enough is ourselves. Even when good enough is just getting through the day, you still got through that day. I did end up being part of a lawsuit for a version of legal speed my doctors had put me on to get me through school. I definitely didn't do it on my own organ failure level of energy. But that is also okay and doesn't make me bad. (Things I still have to say out loud to myself). I get you, and I hope the maintenance of your flesh prison becomes easier for you. 🖤
I wish my illness pushed me to keep learning. Instead I dropped out and got addicted to drugs to cope. I'm clean now and desperately want to go to college but I don't feel capable with how often I am sick. I wish i had someone to guide me.
@nerdywolverine8640 I can relate very much. I'm still often stuck in bed. Dreaming of so much more. I have so much drive and potential yet feel too unwell to go go go. If I could overcome the anxiety and self doubt I know I could find a way to fulfill my dreams and cope with the chronic illness. Years keep passing through.
Wish my country does the student loan thing.
I AM SO HAPPY TO HEAR BRENNAN HAD A KID! I know that was always his biggest goal, and he's always radiated major dad energy. Congratulations BLM!
"I'm always here to deliver value". Shots fired again at Evan Kelmp AKA BLeeM lol
"Oh Evan doesn't think he's good unless he's useful" -K (paraphrased). That Erika sniper moment was soooo good.
Also Hank's face at 30:45 🤣
That's such a friend moment- the gentle call out of- right, that's great that you do that BUT moment. And Brennan's "oh no I've been clocked" response right away of discomfort/recognition/appreciation. It's so sweet.
Omg yes! My thoughts exacly. Hank found the door through the duplex
The number of times that Hank was me and said "I don't know what X is" cannot be understated. I appreciate him asking the true questions so I could google a whole lot less XD
Listening to Hank and Brennan talk about college and life is the best thing ever
The realisation that college is for skill building and not just grade getting came far too late in my life once I had already graduated. I don’t know why this occurred to me so late, and it gives me this huge sense of loss that I don’t know what to do about. I really admire people like Brennan who found what they loved and went after it, and made it such an integral part of their life, instead of just ticking the boxes of traditional “success” and then realising later, “what the hell am I doing?” “Why am I doing this?” “Do I even want to be doing this?”
I wish this video had existed 15 years ago. This was lovely and exactly what 15 years ago me needed. It is what today me enjoyed. I am happy people graduating now and starting their lives now will have this.
Brennan's too sad truth of always worrying you're going to be hated and bullied every time you enter a new community is indeed so sad. He is one of the most beautifully kind-hearted and genuine human beings on this planet.
I say this with all due respect; Brennan's story feels like the modern analogue of "I joined the circus" and honestly, deepest, deepest respect cuz the man is ROCKING it!
Also super grateful that he had his brother every step of the way. Alone, that journey would have been so hard.
10:28 As a teacher, this is so true. I tell my students that my favorite sound is that "ooOOOOOOOOoooohhh!" that kids say when a concept they've been working on finally clicks. It sounds like learning. And the "lighting of a second candle doesn't diminish the first. Knowledge is just something that when you share it there's just more. There's no scarcity" 😍😭
The thing about the learning being more important than the grades is so true. As a lecturer i always tried to get those two things as close to each other as possible. Wasn't in education long enough to nail it
Love that hank echoed the thing Brennan heard from Erika during that Misfits and Magic season.
TIL Brennan and Izzy had a baby! Congrats to the lovely couple! Good on them for keeping it low key.
30:24 Hank my man, you didn't need to snipe Brennan through the duplex door quite so accurately. 😂
I can longer accurately count the number of times that listening to Brennan Lee Mulligan has brought me to tears. In delight, in grief, and most importantly in a moment of insight that fills me with so much awe, that I have to shed tears because the experience is too vast to stay inside me.
Thank you Brennan, for the gift of getting to exist at the same time as you.
(Quit staring, being reverent is self-care for me)
He's a rare person, I think many of us feel this way (I know I do).
I think that given long enough, had he not already come to this conclusion is that reverence is the mark of a great teacher.
The amount of reverence and his acknowledgement of deep abiding gratitude he shows to his own mentor I think would lead anyone to a similar conclusion.
"You were there and for such a simple and yet heavy burden I can never repay the debt" is deeply powerful.
Being open and available to be that person for another is truly the ONLY way to make any reparations.
This could have been eight hours and I'd still watch all of it
Not for the first time, Brennan has put into words something that I thought was only a me experience and never knew how to express to someone. What a wise, articulate, profoundly good man.
He really, really is. This interview really touched me as well.
What was it?
@@Erin-000 The part about feeling like you are the value you contribute to a group, and coming from a background where you know you'll have less opportunities to grab the brass ring than the people around you.
The thing that stuck with me from this *the most* was the discussion of not having to question what they were doing in college. I did both. I was undeclared engineering, declared for mechanical at the end of my first semester. But I had always wanted to be a teacher, a writer, to think about words and stories, and I took an incredible class by a great professor about pragmatics. So I switched to a 5 year dual-degree program to add Comparative Humanities as a major. Despite being initially given support, "now is the time to optimize your learning", I felt the need from the start to justify myself. I felt the need to justify going into engineering as a woman at all! Because I was questioned. But then to add on a humanities degree, I was asked why so many times... I ended up writing my departmental thesis about what being a humanist taught me about engineering and what engineering taught me about being a humanist. I think so very differently about engineering because I have a tree to put knowledge in. Worth noting that engineering learning has only added a 2nd dimension to their visual models of pedagogy in the last decade or so (the T Shaped Engineer). And so I wrote essays about the symbology of the T and the tree of life and the Vitruvian man. About gendered phenomenology in teaching dynamics. I wrote a thesis about that question of "what are you doing here? how will it serve you?" and I had to do that before I really got the chance to find out.
This isn't bitterness, I think self-justification is my "two bin Brennan" philosophy. But I think I held some... disbelief or belief that it was willful ignorance about the people for whom justification was never part of their equation. I definitely resonate with a bunch of what was said, including being a "very alienating homeschooled kid with a lot of, you know, animal facts and philosophy stuff that's gonna be a huge burden on people I talk to." I also had a camp that gave me a home (shoutout Young Musicians & Artists)! But that difference stood out to me and is something I'm going to be thinking about for a long while. Thank you for the thoughtful conversation.
I’m a 21 yr old who did dual credit in high school (similar to the college thing Brennan did just at 16 instead) and recently graduated college. I’ve felt so lost and overwhelmed and discouraged by my circumstances and living at home with conservative Christian family and struggle with a myriad of mental illnesses. This interview gave me so much hope that someone else had a similar experience of “I did everything I was supposed to in school and now I’ve been spit back up on the pavement with a piece of paper and nothing else” who then went on to be someone I really admire and love. Brennan your shows are sometimes all that’s keeping me going and I need you to know that while maybe you’re not teaching directly you’re still making a huge impact ❤❤❤
Keep going, I really want to see what you get to do in the next 15 years.
From someone who's 31, I also felt incredibly lost and behind in my early to mid 20s. . . people tell you that high school is when you figure yourself out, with the implication that once you graduate college you will have it figured out. But nah. My 20s were also a time of trying to figure out myself and my place in the world. I was 29 when I felt like an adult, secure in my own skin, for the first time. You're not alone. Many many people feel lost at 21. I'd honestly go so far as to say it's normal. (And yeah. I totally get the living at home with conservative Christian parents and a bunch of mental illnesses coz same.)
your 20s are usually madness because you're getting (and having) to experience so many things for the first time. try not to put pressure on yourself to have it "figured out". remember, this is everyone else's first time too, no matter how confident they seem. oppressive institutions thrive on us feeling hopeless. finding community and joy is an act of resistance. you've got this.
Brennan's Mom is amazing. Her son is a real testament to how a loving and caring parent can mold someone into an amazing person. I wish my mom had even shown a fraction of the love and care his mom did to him!
this mf can't resist a fourth wall breaking monologue even in an interview. great interview Hank!
Ive been planning on getting a GED for a second now and have felt a bit insecure about it. Even though the circumstances are drastically different, learning that this utterly brilliant and wise man has a GED has officially secured me.
Do it!!! And then watch the D20 season The Seven, where they all pursue their GED (which they pronounce as Jed)
I can’t help but feel jealous for the past and future generations who are able to have Brennan as a teacher. What an immense blessing to be a part of.
It's always so relieving to me hearing people who 'have made it' talk about how they actually got there. I'm currently in that stage of trying to figure out what the hell I'm supposed to do with my life now that my original plan of just get a degree and then a job fell through. (thanks for that, chronic health issues!) Hearing Brennan talk about the kind of steps it actually takes rather than just good grades, really made me feel like I'm doing kinda alright. I sort of begrudgingly applied for volunteering work recently, just so I'd have something to do, but now I see that those kinds of experiences are exactly the kind of thing I need.
As a (former) teacher, I 100% get what Brennan says about the "look" of when someone gets it and makes the knowledge you are giving them their own. So enriching and rewarding! ☺
For the record, I love vlogbrothers, I love dropout, I've even seen niche crossovers of these two with Dinemsion 20 Mentopolis and Dear Hank and John. But,
For some reason, this format just hits different. Being able to hear someone's life story in such a candid and slow way is incredibly fulfilling. And these guys do so many wonderful things I didn't think they could do a new kind of fulfilling, but here we are 🙂
As an undergrad with a scholarship studying screenwriting in manhattan, this video might’ve just changed my life a bit. Thanks Hank and Brennan
I love how Brennan is an example of the best way to be a leader is to be a loving and inviting individual, and to teach by setting a great example.
People don't become their best selves by going through trauma and hardship, but by interacting with people like Brennan who invites and shares their love and knowledge. A seed he seems to have inherited from his mom, dad, mentors, that will hopefully spread to others in his life.
Atleast that's my impression of him.
Learning that Brennan is finally a dad was my favorite takeaway from this whole thing. ❤
Brennan’s story about the waterfall after college and having all of the steps beforehand be placed by adults in our lives is incredibly relatable and I wish this was communicated to college students more - glad you are providing a place for stories like these!!
A week ago I learned that Brennan and I are the same age, and that made me feel terrible; I'm currently unemployed, living with my parents and feeling like I didn't accomplish anything. Watching this interview really put on perspective that him and I have had really different lifes, with different challenges and opportunities, and one) he got were he is because he had the support and chances I never had (not that he didn't work hard for it, he obviously did) and two) Things can change and all the learnings and knowledge I have could help me tomorrow, if I don't give up.
You'll make it. It's easy to compare our current with other people's lives. I'm much younger but i often feel that way too. But if anything Brennan wouldn't want us to feel that about this interview. Let's be successful in our own paths.
@@ink888not all people make it. and that’s the reality of life. This commenter could very well end up homeless after his parents pass away.
The story of starting at college humor is a great example of "When it rains, it pours" in a good context. Loved hearing all that.
This was actually incredible. I regard BLeeM as the greatest living DM, and I am sometimes envious at how gifted and successful he is. But to see that he "fell off" a great trajectory, had doors slammed in his face on the thing he is actually good at, worked crappy jobs living in rough conditions, that he lacked focus and failed to see what mattered, that he struggled, and that in the end each of those steps brought him to where he is today, makes this the greatest interview I have EVER SEEN.
I really enjoy this snapshot into Brennan Lee Mulligans' life. I do find it extraordinary ironic that a philosophy major didn't question things enough in school.
Many great pearls of wisdom but top of the heap is "get face time with decision makers." Work ethic is absolutely crucial but there's a very good reason why they say "it's who you know" - it's astonishingly true, learn to network. Combine that with substance/value and you're chances of success, however you define it, are greatly improved. I also appreciate Brennan's vulnerability, candor, and zeal.
I discovered Hank when he was a guest on D20. He’s still my favorite. I’m pleasantly surprised he’s doing this interview.
Check out Crash Course next!
Brennan's monologue at the end of CR Calamity is still burned in my mind. And I go back and watch it from time to time. Why do we tell stories? Such an amazing prompt for thinking about humanity at both a micro and macro level.
As a new graduate. Brennen speaking about his higher education and his speech to 17 year old him is getting me in my feels
This is the single best interview Brennan has ever had. Or at least that I’ve watched. It’s nice for it to take a couple steps back from d&d and just talk about the man himself, his philosophy, and experiences
I’ve honestly resonated with a lot of what he said it’s made be understand more about my self
43:01 the Sam dinner story turns up wonderfully in an episode of Breaking News on Dropout and it's a wonderful button on a hilarious episode.
My son is currently getting bullied in a very similar fashion, for very similar reasons. I worry so much about how this will effect him later on, thanks for giving me a little glimmer that he’ll be ok and move past this.
Note that Brennan was pulled out of school and enrolled into martial arts because of this; bullying doesn't go away on its own. Something has to change.
I don't hear him saying he moved past it, that part about always providing value when he walks into a new community? That's a trauma response. Please consider age appropriate therapy for your kiddo.