The $15 Minimum Wage Is Turning Hard Workers Into Black Market Lawbreakers
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2018
- An in-depth look at New York's car wash industry, and the real world consequences of politicians interfering with a complex industry they don’t understand.
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On March 4, 2015, a group of union leaders, activists, and elected officials were arrested for blocking traffic during a protest in front of a Vegas Auto Spa, a small car wash in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Chanting "No contract, no peace!" and "Si se puede!," they had come in support of striking workers, who had walked out demanding a union contract after allegedly being subjected to dismal working conditions.
For David Mertz, the New York City director and a vice president at the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU), it was an inspirational moment in an ambitious six-year campaign to unionize the city's car washes industry.
"These workers were willing to stand out there during one of the coldest winters...literally in decades to fight for their rights and for basic human dignity," says Mertz, who was also arrested that day. "You have the ability to make change by coming together, and when you do that sometimes you find that you've got some friends on your side."
In the past six years, the car wash industry, which employs low-skilled, mostly immigrant workers, has also been the target of lawsuits for alleged underpayment of wages, including a handful of cases spearheaded by the New York State Attorney General's office. Working conditions in the industry were also cited as a raison d'être in the successful campaign to raise the state minimum wage to $15 per hour, which takes full effect at New York City car washes in January of 2019.
As Reason chronicled in a feature story in our July 2016 issue, the real world impact of the unionization drive, the lawsuits, and the $15 minimum wage has been mainly to push car washes to automate and to close down.
Two years later, there are more unintended consequences. The $15 minimum wage is fostering a growing black market-workers increasingly have no choice but to ply their trade out of illegal vans parked on the street, because the minimum wage has made it illegal for anyone to hire them at the market rate.
The minimum wage is also cartelizing the industry: Businesses that have chosen to automate are benefiting from the $15 wage floor because outlawing cheap labor makes it harder for new competitors to undercut them on price and service.
As a sequel to the 2016 article, this video takes an in-depth look at the real world consequences that result when politicians interfere with a complex industry they don't understand, enabled by media coverage that rarely questions the overly simplistic tale of exploited workers in need of protection.
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We need to lower the wages for professional politicians
Actually this is worse, because then the people who take the job will be wealthy business owners who can use taxpayer money to enrich their businesses. That leads to more corruption.
We need all politicians to put their assets in a blind trust. A truly blind trust
I mean the thing is they payer their own salaries and people call CEO's greedy at least they don't make their money by taking money from other people..
@@jankoleon3785 Where do you think CEOs money comes from? Lol
And ceo's
Trump doesn't even draw a salary
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble; finding it everywhere, diagnosing it wrongly, and applying unsuitable remedies"-Grouch Marx
The Marx Brothers are the only Marxists that. ever made any sense.
If they don’t find problems they created and then come up with solutions to fat themselves.
Interesting
Nice quote
SPOT ON!!!!!!! That may be the best line of the century! :)
In LA when the $15/hr car wash worker thing happened, a car wash by one of my favorite lunch spots went dark for 6 months for construction and when it reopened, it was fully automated. The 8-10 guys that used to hand wash and dry were all gone. So progressive.
That's the goal. The powers that be have disdain for middle America.
It's almost like politicians are out of touch. Especially those in NY. How these people keep getting reelected is beyond me.
@@newguy3588 Impossible! They are selected by Democracy!
@@arielvega6344 lol
Not to sound like a dick but 15$ an hour is an entry level job. Nobody should be in a situation where its the only work they can get. Obviously some are in this
situation but maybe they got comfortable or dont feel confident enough to want more? 15$ an hour isnt enough to live.
Like one of my relatives famously once said ... "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
Great quote!
Smart man your relative. It has been known for a very long time that most people do not make rational logical choices when they are either angry or afraid. To think this basic human truth is not used by those who would benefit from directing/controlling the herd is being naive.
love it
"NYC is the Progressive capital of the Nation" which means it is getting progressively more expensive to live there increasing those that will live in poverty.
It's getting progressively worse to live there.
Nyc has been one of the most expensive cities to live in for a long time, the only difference now is that regular people can't afford to live there anymore. I wonder how we can fix that?
@@douchopotamus3755 Tax all the rich people and give it to the underclass. Then when the rich people all leave, the underclass will descend into abject poverty and the city will be done. Thank your liberal leaders - especially the mayor who is a fool.
@@networth8754 if all the rich people leave property values go down and people can afford housing. So obviously all the rich people didn't leave. Wouldn't the underclass just follow the rich people? "If I can't make a living I go somewhere else" right?
What drives up the single largest cost of living, rent? Capitalism drives up rent, not progressivism.
Reason: “It hurts when you crush people’s hands in a Vice.”
Union Boss: “Yeah, I disagree. The pain may not necessarily be because of the Vice grip.”
Reason: “The guy whose hand is being crushed said the Vice grip hurts.”
Union Boss: “Yeah, I understand that it might be portrayed to you that way, but I’m suggesting it may not be true.”
🤦🏻♂️
But please pay your Union dues so we can file a grievance for better vices that don’t squeeze too easily even though it will eventually squeeze your hand off
Pretty much exactly what the union man says. He only gets paid if he has members paying dues. Of course he wants unions regardless of how bad it is for the worker.
@Barb Halls I was a fisherman for years in Northern Canada. We had the "Fisheries Union". My Dad stopped paying dues to them as they only fought for the rights of the big offshore fishermen, not the inshore. The offshore fishery started a couple of months earlier, made tons more money, even though the fish caught by drag bags were squished and soft, garbage fish. Inshore fishery was hands on, pulling nets, trawls, jiggers and traps. Much better quality fish. When it came time to open the inshore fishery, the government would say "oh there's a GLUT on the market... too much fish from the offshore, therefore we can only give you 21 cents a pound" vs probably 50 or 60 for the inferior fish from the offshore. And the Fisheries Union would do nothing. Same after we "lost" the fishery due to the Offshore fleets overfishing, We lost our boats. The fisheries union stepped in and helped the Offshore crowd not lose theirs, as theirs were worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. Useless as teats on a bull!
@@privatear2001 who cares about the little guy anyways, right? Not the government nor the union leaders that's who.
I'm in the sheet metal workers union in Arizona and I get paid more than everybody in my profession who is non-union. Also have full benefits for me and my family.
“The real minimum wage will always be $0/hour”
- Tom sowell
Ooops. I just posted the same thing. 4 days after you.
@@kenperlman2204 That just proves that more people are becoming aware that more minimum wage doesn't = a better situation, so thanks sir!
Yep because people will want to make money and depending on their skills they will ask for the money they desire to be paid. And of course negotiate with the employer to get the right pay.
“Might not necessarily” meaning I can’t admit that you are right because it is proof I am useless
the war has developed in a way not necessarily in japan's favor
Never answer directly and always deflect. Common tactic of the intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt activist.
I wash my car myself for free. I'm going on strike.
J Zerballs it’s not free...you are spending the most precious commodity “time” ...we can all get more money but we can’t get more time
@@marioruiz6316 So, you stand around watching someone else wash your car. And pay them to do it. Or, do they go to your house and get your car wash it and return it? You must be rich.
I don't wash my car nor do I pay anyone else to wash it. It's an old car. Who cares?
@@marioruiz6316 Washing your own car is great exercise and I don't need to pay to exercise at a gym. It's a win-win for me.
They will shot u down for not paying yourself 😂😅
Minimum wage for politicians that’s what need and save thousands in taxes
I apreciate the joke, but it wouldn't work in real life. Politicians aren't competing with each other. They're competing with people who aren't in their possitions and are voted in and can only ever be voted out. And most of the time, they run unopposed.
In other words, a "Mininum Wage" would not effect them in the least. At least not anymore than Huge Companies are effected by them as opposed to Ma&Pa places.
What ALL politicians need is TERM LIMITS.
You mean: Maximum Wage.
@@sthomaslewisyeah
Yes and higher taxes on those that use emigration as an excuse to cheat the system like Trump does.
The people who say “were here to create jobs” are lying! Their here to make money!
That is so true.
Well they ain't lying, tax revenue from those new jobs do make money
You act like those are mutually exclusive. The goal and the end of the day is to make money yes but more people benefit if that money is made with 20 jobs than two.
The more jobs that need to be filled in an area, the better things get for the worker as they can go elsewhere if they want causing businesses to compete for staff.
If three quarters of the businesses in an area go under because some far away politician signed a piece of paper suddenly you have much fewer jobs with the same amount of workers available and conditions plummet as a result.
As a business owner, you are not at the mercy of a machine to show up, in the car wash business ( I have first-hand experience) you are at the mercy of people to show up every day many often don't.
given that...why WOULDNT a business owner go to automation?
@@syberphish In the carwash business you have automated machines but you still need people to prep the car before the automated part and at the other end to dry the car and sometimes catch something the machines didn't.
@@jeffb5785 You realize I actually watched the video right? I can see that "automated" means 1 or 2 employees, instead of 12 or 14 or more.
It's nice that you also learned something though, now everyone else also knows that you too know the information shared with us in this video. Good on ya, I guess.
@@syberphish sit on a broken bottle and rotate
@@jeffb5785 straight to personal attacks, yeah I know your type. You don't get to have your pie and eat it too so you become a tool and start saying crap like that. Brilliant.
"The man said protect us from who?" 😂..."if I want to I will find another job"
THAT is a real man! The union boss piece of shit? He’s a spineless, thieving pussy boy just like every other union “boss” or rep.
Another job that pays essentially nothing...
@@Soff1859 Why is your opinion of his wages relevant? What he is saying is that he wants the freedom to make his own decisions. He wants agency in his own life. He wants the ability to accept a job at any wage that HE agrees to - without being made into a criminal. Period.
@@trolledopposition4345 i get that. But also what reason could anyone have to actually want a job that pays a wage that you cant live off, given the option?
In other developed countries its just made sure that non-livable wages are not a thing. So there youre right people can pick.
There are good reasons to pick a 80k a year job over a 120k a year job. Like lower workload, better work life balance, other benefits like vacation time, parental leave etc. Or just doing something you love over something boring and soul sucking.
But you cant tell me there is anyone who always dreamed of someday being able to handwash cars and being paid 8 or 9 bucks an hour to do it. People only "choose" that out of horrible possibilities, not actually freely.
@@Soff1859 The idea that people should never have to do work they don’t like, and for a low wage, is unrealistic. We’ve all worked jobs we hated for low pay. That’s not the issue here.
The idea that I’m opposed to is the idea that, somehow, by taking away a person’s freedom to CHOOSE what they believe to be their best option, we’re helping them. In fact, this amounts to tyranny. It literally makes it illegal for low wage workers to earn a wage. Think about it.
You, yourself, intimated (correctly) that people like this man in the video already have limited options. Why take one of his only options left (to work for less than $15) away from him?
The Government union guy can hardly make eye contact while he is telling his lies.
I noticed that as well. Also, looking down and then to the left toward the interviewer is often a sign of shame or guilt.
is he a government guy or a union guy? theres no such thing as a government union guy.
@@TheSuperappelflap A government guy that is pro-union and is happy to give unions unequal support against companies.
@@TheSuperappelflap How do government bureaucrats get unionized, then?
@@VAspeed3 they can start a union. afaik it hasnt happened. anyway, that doesnt have anything to do with the car wash union or any other union in private business. its very american to automatically idenfity any power structure with government
The curse of charity. When you force your "charity" upon others they will always end up suffering for it.
Charity is getting paid to steal a man’s wheel chair to be paid to give him crutches.
In Africa charities don’t give tractors to farmers they give out free food putting local farms out of business.
Everytime a regulation is created,one choice is taken away.
- Thomas Sowell
Yeah, the government regulating lead gas and paint means I don't get to voluntarily choose brain damage anymore. This is literally 1984!!!!1!1!
This is what happens when you allow politicians to "solve" your problems. Most people have ZERO understanding about how business works.
Wish I could vote myself a raise.
@@jockellis Be a Democrat, and get elected to something. You can then vote YOURSELF a raise. To be fair, Republicans do it too. Then if your constituents do not like you, It will take years to vote you out.
@@Rat-Builder Right both parties are doing so well with the coronavirus. Afterall Rush Limbaugh Medal of Freedom winner said it was just another Get Trump scam. by using the CCP as late as March 13 to combat nothing but a common cold virus. The Chinese were supposedly laughing at us. Now Congress is passing "Trump Socialism". Since they have had the dickens scared out of them.
@Harry Moobs Why do we need over 800 foreign military bases? Why do we need to build 22 billion dollars worth of nuclear powered submarines along with the nuclear tipped missiles to launch from them. Gov't shouldn't be about the war business but the peace business. We are entering a crisis that will NOT go away in a few weeks. Thousands are losing their jobs and thousands of small businesses are being ordered closed.
@Robert Slackware No Congress spent its time in its fake impeachment activity and people like you and Tump Medal of Freedom Winner Rush Limbaugh was calling it just a cold virus. I'm in Red State Texas I haven't seen toilet paper for 3 weeks now are the orders issued from Republican Gov Gregg Abbott fake? So you're still calling this a cold virus hoax. I'm wondering if people like those with the screen name Slackware aren't playing with their pud.
All the local union does is come to tell me who to vote, when I actually had a dispute they didn't help at all I hired my own lawyers.
Using laws that were created and refined by union activity. You reap the benefits of unionosation but have pretended selfishly that you drove that.
Same bro. They sit their collecting dues and are nowhere to be found when I need em
Unions are useless they are legalized mafia collecting extortion money and doing nothing for you
Esmeralda Green I’m in a union and I’m going through matrix filing grievances. I had to not give up and fight them as they protected administration. I made such a uproar the Union had no choice but to let me get in front of an arbitrator. They are scared pieces of shit that want to be friends with the bosses as the bosses laugh at them behind closed doors cause they so easy to control
Union leaders should represent their members, but many have become corrupted and are closer with business management. Use your voice democratically within the union and vote for new leadership.
"Media never questions..." No, they write the narrative.
“If car wash workers can organize...” well that’s a bit degrading! It’s insulting
Yeah unions are a total joke today
"We want more money!!"
Blocks traffic to stop other people from going to work trying to make money.
Yes because we are all connected. We should all make sure everyone is taken care of enough to exist and survive. Sadly people don't care until things start to effect them so yes, block workers and the owners of businesses and the powers that be will recognize the cost of not paying people a living wage.
@@SupremeVerdict wrong u just hurt other people trying to life so when they take drastic measures to get to work don't be surprised like everyone else get a better job
@@trashtronics1700 learn to write a coherent sentence and then try again.
@@SupremeVerdict " We should all make sure everyone is taken care of enough to exist and survive..." by stopping people from going to work to get money for food, rent, etc.. Top notch.
@@obxolicious1361 name a single person who starved as a result of the protests? Don't be a moron.
Causing slight inconvenience isn't causing permanent harm, but might lead to permanent change.
The saddest part about this is the absolute denial of people creating these policies to look at the unintended consequences of their policies.
its because of how complicated our system is. Everything affects the next thing. I know when we talk about raising the minimum wage we often forget about small businesses. That why I personally believe that minimum wages should vary based on what financial miles stones a company has reached, but im sure even that has consequences I can't foresee. we need to start gutting and analyzing everything that every company does. Because the Laissez-fair approach is allowing monopolies to enter the free market. (aka so many people rely on them so they can price their product however they want) because "having" to raise the price or lay off employees is an excuse to keep their personal pockets full. Another thing is we have to stop allowing big companies to s stack companies. one person will own a link of 15 companies that will experience a trickle down effect. Which is why when they are sued , again, their personal pockets are left untouched. If they actually had attention and consequences I bet their workers would be treated more humanly without having to be at someone else's expense.
@@katieolivero2972 the minimum wage should just rise autmatically every year in accordance with inflation. Thts how it works everywhere else, where minimum wages exist. So it doesnt have to double once every few decades, which is of course a huge shock to the market. And so you also dont have people in 2021 relying on what may have been a liveable wage in the 90ies but just is not anymore nowadays.
What makes you think the consequences are unintended.
Exactly! I'm all for progressive policies but if you have unintended consequences, you have to admit and fix... career politicians can't admit they're wrong cuz they'll lose their career...
@@Soff1859 Wages in general should go up every year with inflation but instead you get corporate companies that do not give raises and a minimum wage thats ever increasing causing significantly more inflation meaning the 20$/h you make becomes even more worthless than it was before.
“Learn to make solar panels” -
John Kerry
Kerry means "Move to China" cause that's who the democrats are selling out to!
Quote is even better since like 90% of them are made overseas
An older gentleman i work with told me when day: the only thing I've seen seen a union do, is help people who should've been fired long time ago, not get fired for the millionth time
*(meanwhile in 2019)*
Left: "We demand a $30 minimum wage!"
Automators/ engineers: "Well boys, looks like its now's our time"
My time has come
Lmao! Yup it’s exactly like that. Competition and money is going to keep reality in check everytime. Whenever they want wage increase an engineer already has the blueprints for what the company needs to beat the competition
No wonder why they want illegal 2nd class citizens
Some people can't see the forest for the trees or the edge of the cliff as they parade around demanding more and more and more!! You made a few engineers giggle, my friend. 3/06/2020
Yep, #GoRobots #BeatHumans
Machines that replace workers don't pay into social security and income tax. What problems we have.
you can say that again. smh
@Tom If you can legally tax robots, then the robots can just register in a tax haven.
the people that install the machines do tho
@Harry Moobs Stop making sense! You're going to hurt someone's "feelings". 😂
This ends up is with the greedy government not being satisfied with the taxes being taken, then deciding to take over the business. That's the line between socialism and communism.
This what happens when the cost of living keeps going up but wages don’t. The people probably didn’t complain until their rents got outta control.
And the rent wouldn't be a problem if those same politicians hadn't passed damaging legislation to affect that as well
You can't legislate fairness, it's law of the jungle, survival of the fittest, free market rules. There will always be winners and losers in life. I love how independent business people always find a solution.
$15 hour is a lot when you earn $0 after they go out of business
@trey darling Increases in productivity due to technology. Ultimately people get replaced with technology when you have a minimum wage that high.
@trey darling Why should they own the means of production if they not only received payment for their work, but bore none of the financial risks involved in establishing a business? Most people who are establishing small businesses are putting substantial personal savings on the line with the hope that the business will succeed, and most don't. The worst thing that can happen to a worker is that they lose their job and have to find another one.
@trey darling First off, people that work get paid, and if they don’t it’s a crime. Period. Second, the work of past employees generated the initial wealth needed for the means of production? That means some person worked their ass off back in the day, saved up a bunch of money, and then risked all that time and money by investing it into a business. Most new businesses fail, but let’s say you’ve made a successful one; here comes some self-righteous Marxist claiming that you don’t deserve to own the fruits of your own labor. They’re claiming that the employees deserve to steal the company even though they have received payment the entire time and bore none of the financial risks that established the company in the first place! That’s what real theft is!
@trey darling well now there is a minimum wage and workers are being paid “properly”. So properly that the evil businesses that steal money from them have to fire the workers so they don’t go bankrupt. Mission failed successfully.
trey darling what work are you doing that damages your body? Lol. I hope you know that actual physically demanding labor pays well and usually has good benefits to go with it. You aren’t entitled to McDonald’s profits because you stand at their cash register and ask which flavor of cancer they want today. Realize that jobs outside entry levels for teenagers pay well. Instead of complaining, go to a career center and see how in demand trades are and how well they pay. Maybe then you can build some damn skills and improve your life instead of blaming “””the man””, dude.
"New York is the progressive capital of the nation."
New York is also currently pretty much going bankrupt. Crime has skyrocketed, violence has skyrocketed, people are leaving the city, and tax revenue is plummeting.
"Progressive" indeed.
Crime in nyc had steadily declined over the last ten year. People are leaving because rent prices are too high.
Ny debt comes mostly from senior healthcare and the opioids crisis
@@matthewarnold4557 Crime has steadily declined over the last ten years maybe, but you aren't taking into account the sharp raise in crime during _this_ year, caused by severe cuts to police funding. In my comment I'm not talking about the past 10 years. I'm talking about the current year.
@@WarpRulez I just looked it up (I can't get the PDF to show up on UA-cam comments sorry) just Google nyc crime rate 2020. Crime has dropped about 10% or so. Also, no one's reduced the police budget that's a movement still in the works. Just because people say it on the street it doesn't automatically get put into action. That said we absolutely should defund half of the police department and put that into other social programs which helps prevent people from committing crimes in the first place
i am living New York when i leave for college in 1 or 2 years everyone i know is leaving for better homes and jobs
@@chinookh4713 the city or up state?
Imagine being a factory worker, sweating and aching all day in a workshop, just to watch the kid behind the cash register at McDonalds make the same hourly wage as you for doing a much easier job, all because the government decided that hard work shouldn't mean higher pay.
yeah. And then imagine the position you worked for years get devalued by some retard working at mcdonalds, and then have your entire wage become useless because prices of food and rent skyrockted with minimum wage.
Not even in canada do we have the USD equivalent to a $15 minimum wage.
Yep that wouldn't fly with me either, but I can't bring myself to work there. Mcdonalds is not ment to be a career choice, its sad because if everyone makes 15.00 the price of everything will go up because now everyone is making a minimum of 3k a month.
I mean, why would you not you go to your boss and make that argument, if you are valuable to the company you can argue for better wages. Rn I make $17 dollars an hour and I haven't even gone to college yet, and that mostly due to wages increasing in my area, (mostly due to competition but that it a different argument.) sure, this change hurt specifically car wash people, but so what? what about EVERY OTHER JOB IN THAT CITY. what about factories, wait staff, barbers, ect?
while I mostly agree that the motivations for this law definitely backfired, its a bit silly to make that comparison.
Imagine being a factory worker, sweating and aching all day in a workshop, just to watch a Chinese kid in China make the same doohicky as you for for a bowl of rice a day, all because the CEO decided that hard work shouldn't mean higher pay.
FIFY........
Isn’t that one of the basic tenets of Communism? Doctors get the same pay as janitors. Engineers get the same pay as busboys. Etc. Etc. As one comrade put it, “They pretend to pay us. So we pretend to work.’
Unions do have a place but sometimes they are a cancer.
I watched a union kill a tire factory in Kitchener Ontario in mid 2000's. Union strike = closed factory = everybody lost job. The owner just sold the land. The only people that gut hurt are the ones that went on strike. Union just latched on to the next donor.
The real killer is Kitchener Leslie.
That's what you get when you start wanting to pay slave wages.
@@phoneticalballsack So better to not have the factory at all? China won't pay any better, and that's who all these local factories have to compete with.
@@wolfy1987 Yes. Small businesses are inefficient. Centralization and concentration of capital is ideal
"...making cheap labor illegal..."
That's a brilliant way of looking at these wage laws. Sure, SOME people will have their income raised by a $15 minimum, but everyone whose work is not worth more than $15 an hour is going to lose their job. Period. You can't run a business by hiring people who bring in less money than you pay them. So people who were underpaid will get a nice little raise - that's awesome, and good for those guys. People who weren't underpaid but were paid less than $15 an hour are going to lose their jobs. Not so awesome.
Working at McDonald's isn't meant to be a career move for the $15. lol
@@michaelvol8922 I know people who work in factories for 9 dollars an hour, if they don't work overtime they are short by the end of the month. A higher minimum wage would be better for certain jobs. Some people just want cheap labor.
Clearly you have never been to a car dealership. The lot attendants are subsidized by people brining in the money.
@Meniacal Jedi I don't know how long it has been since you went to school, but the amount of homework combined with any sports is not flexible for an employer. It's been roughly 15 years but I can still remember why I didn't get a normal job, the employer said, "I am trying to run a business here"
And let's be real. Why would you pay some 15 year old kid $9.00 an hour just to loose money on him for the first 2 or 3 months or hire a grown man who knows what he is doing for 14.00 an hour? There is no way a 15 year old kid can produce as much value as a middle aged man who has been doing it longer than the kid has been alive.
Managers make 15
You think you can live in NYC with $15 an hour? Ya got your wish and guess what? Everything is skyrocketing. These politicians are deranged.
The only explanation I can think of is that many probably get subsidized housing and food stamps to be able to afford food and shelter.
That also happened in Seattle, WA. These idiots never learn.
then they'll be surprised when their rent increases, food costs much more and transportation expenses skyrocket. It's like they didn't get a wage increase since the hikes made its buying power mean nothing...... They never ever learn.
@@applescruff1969 its not the democrats who never learn. its you. the democrats are doing exactly what they set out to do. impoverish and destroy this country so its wealth can be redistributed. that redistribution just isn't what you think it is. they never intended for that money to go to anyone but themselves and their foreign handlers. America is under attack, and most are too stupid to even notice.
@@DieselRamcharger this is God's truth. Keep preaching brother.
Protesters in 2015 blocked traffic and got arrested. Here in 2020 people blocked traffic, burned buildings, and assaulted people and nothing happened...WHY!?
I did notice that most of the car washes added a lot of self service vacuums before the employees would vacuum inside the cars.
A politician talking about “righteous business practices”. That’s a hoot.
That was a religious comment. The politicians have faith regardless of facts and experience.
“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help”!
Reagan made that line famous in his speeches against just this sort of stuff.
When you hear these words, RUN .
Ronald Reagan spoke those words and he said to run .
Me: run for your lives
Here to help myself to your money thru tax and intimidation.
No thanks... I'll figure it out
High minimum wages help nobody but politicians.
Why don't they ever talk about lowering cost of living so that $ 12 is sufficient ?
Because then they would have to stop printing money
Very much agreed
They have suggested trying that, but ideas that would do exactly that have been called "socialist agendas".
Just scream out “living wage” and suddenly you’re a hero.
I believe that we as libertarians and conservatives have failed in that we have not done enough to educate the general public about such issues.
It's common sense man
@@scotttyson8661 Then why is it not as common as it should be?
I attribute it to the brainwashing being done in schools
We've tried. They don't listen.
It would be easier to "educate" if we had control of the public school system.
Socialism rewards mediocracy, Capitalism rewards merit.
Politicians ignoring economics all while damaging the lives of employers and employees. Another brilliant video from ReasontTV.
Politicians could care less what happens to the worker. They just want a vote now.
Globalists that is.
Bernie wanted a change, but he didn't get the vote in.
But now with a rich fluff who has no clue how politics works is in power you're all pretty screwed.
Votes don't matter asshole
Not just about the vote, it's also about "friends" in these industries who are willing to make campaign contributions that can be pocketed along the way.
@@micksylvestre2887 Bernie is a joke
We don't need 15 dollars an hour we need the rent to be lower, food to be affordable and health plan to be available to anyone, what does 15 an hour mean prices going up
you realize that's exactly what Venezuela did....
And with all that wages also go lower, and you're back to square one.
I was earning $15 back in 1988. I just cringe when I see $15 hr now thinking how inflation has chewed that up and spit it out like nothing. All this outsourcing to China, Vietnam and employing OTHER COUNTRIES people has hit us like a brick.
Last I looked shirts at high end stored are $50+70 and higher....just like they were in 1988.
The only thing that changed was corporations fired American, hired Chinese and took the profits on lower labor and kept the prices the same on goods.
This global crap sucks for workers
Agreed. Stop trashing food because you have a surplus and it would lower prices.
The housing cartel will never let that happen until people storm the companies all of them.
The 15$ dollar minumum wage is literally the most 4head solution ever. "JUST PAY PEOPLE MORE LOL 4HEAD" when in fact they have no clue of the surrounding effects and consequences of implementing that policy.
Lets be honest here the fight for a $15 dollar minimum wage wouldn't be a thing if we didn't send all are jobs overseas and if the cost of living still remained low.
I worked for a union for 10 years all they did was take mothly, quarterly, and yearly dues. I was broke then I left for non union and will never go back to union
Use your head man. Of course! That's how they roll! Welcome to the real world. If I didn't have a conscience I'd be doing the same on all of yall!
You're lucky they didn't steal your pension funds too. Like they did with me.
Unions are run by organized crime, they feed off the working man. Never ever join a union
My first job was union, grocery UFCW for a "super" sized grocery....they broke the Business, and I was no longer useful to the Union and they were no where to by found 2 weeks after I lost my job.....Unions might have had their places back in the Rockafeller oil days, but now they're a Cancer to any business
Same experience. Now I'm an executive at a University that legally must use the states unionized workers. The union members hate the union, and the administration hates the union. Everyone agrees that the union only serves the interests of the union administrators.
Two years ago their contract was up and they convinced the members to go on strike for higher wages. After two weeks, they proudly announced that they had negotiated a new contract and the strike was over. Result: they got the union admins a 12% raise, no raise for the members and higher union dues.
Don't forget, for decades unions were run by the mob.
wait...We're supposed to wash our cars?
And something about changing the oil ?
Bruh
@@markme4 Why would I change oil? What's wrong with the oil that came with the car when I bought it 11 years ago? LOL
Doug Graves - Haha!! 😂😂
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Minimum wage was never meant to live off of.
As a retail worker, I can say beyond a show of a doubt that UFCW is the worst thing to ever happen to me, I make 13.10 per hour. while UFCW only takes lik3 21 dollars a week from me that 21 does the opposite of benefiting me because UFCW makes it incredibly difficult to fire incompetent coworkers meaning that I have to work 2 times harder than I should just to cover for employees that would rather hide behind seniority than do the jobs that they are paid to do. Because of this, the turnover rate is so high because new hires burn themselves out covering for the slackers and transfer to a non-union store or quit. We have a measurement of productivity called IPM that is items per minute the slackers is 12 mine is 30, 36 if I push myself the union has created a system that incentivizes laziness and punishes productivity.
That IPM, man. I remember that. Never got to cashiering myself, but my coworkers hated that. But worked at a grocery store for 10 years. Never made more than $10 an hour, at a union place. Lots of employees that couldn't be fired that I had to cover for. Only good thing about the place was health insurance. They couldn't pay you more than what the union agreed to, nothing was flexible except for the work hours. Nobody stuck around except people who'd been there since the 80s and still made the higher 80s era wage.
"I don't need healthcare," said every robot ever.............
All Americans have healthcare.
@@charlesbickel4295 haha I am America I don't have health insurance.
@@drewnielson6472 but you have healthcare.
@@drewnielson6472 it’s illegal to deny healthcare services to people in need
"i'm not going to be purchasing any of the products i'm making" said every robot ever.....................
The Open Borders Gang demands $15/hr.
Ironic, huh?
“It was ironic that now that everyone had a guaranteed $15 minimum wage the government flooded the labour market with illegal workers who worked under the table for a fraction of what legal citizens had to be paid.”
Technically, libertarians, and Reason, are both pro-open borders.
@@rudyando because they feel their jobs are safe
Automated car washes suck they just fuck up your paint over time. I'd much rather get an illegal hand-wash to be honest.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This is how Venezuela got where it is.
WTF are you talking about? You really need to educate yourself.
Your parents and teachers failed you.
Sanctions by the US caused the problem. The US didn’t like them wanting to sell oil without using the US dollar.
@@lookingbehind6335 When you see a guys like chavez or maduro, who didn't have much, talk about the country and the people while wearing a golden rolex out of nowhere, you know it wasn't good intentions or sanctions, just plain corruption.
@@lookingbehind6335 haha wow. look at this fucking delusion. to think that venezuela's problems are because of another country. yet there are hundreds of other countries that... don't have the same problem? and aren't sitting on the biggest gold mine of oil that has ever been seen? the indoctrination is fucking insane.
dev’s reality Venezuela was falling due to using so much same resource and so much social programs and no economic success
@@lookingbehind6335 Venezuela failed because the people gave the power to a man that lied them, and turned democracy into a dictatorship.
Every time my union (SEIU) gets us a raise, they raise their union dues. So we basically don't get a raise
Money has to come from somewhere this is what some people just don't understand.
binthrdonthat, the SEIU are a bunch of thugs. They're driven by greed and power. And they are known to beat up their members.
Then you have the wrong kind of union and should either get on the board to change that, or rally others to change unions.
There are many unions that work better than others. But with paradigm shifts in the economy the typical knee jerk reaction is that they don't work. But the question is do unions work and protect people from being screwed and misused? Yes they do. Do unions change with the times? Yes they can and all you have to do is look at the Unions Hollywood has had and how effective they work. Unions have to adapt with the times, and the changing economy. But the only reason we need them is because if we don't a large percentage of people in business will literally and have historically been a miser to their supportive staff. A good business doesn't have an issue of raising the minimum wage. That is NEVER an issue. It's simply GREED that keeps people from changing something that should've been done since the 80's.
@@micksylvestre2887 We can't. We have to have a percentage of the unions total population to vote our way out. There are only 250 of us and we represent about 1% of the union
They keep wanting minimum wage to go up not realizing that cost go up leaving them in the same situation but worse
$15 isn't meant to be a livable wage for adults. Get a real skill/job. Entry level jobs that high school kids can do with ZERO experience shouldn't be paid the same as job that require actual skill
"If the car wash workers can organise, any workers can organise."
So he thinks car wash workers are the most disorganised in the country?
Brem lol, that's funny. Reminds me of Geico's "so easy, even a caveman can do it" ad campaign. They didn't expect the backlash they received from cavemen everywhere! ;o)
I think he's saying that car wash people are the lowest of the low LMAO
That Union rep couldn't give a straight answer - kept stroking his cheek cuz he was lying his butt off.
Corrupt bastards. Every single one of them
That's what union reps do best -- lie through their teeth.
@Juan Perez damn i almost judged him by the content of his character, how antisemitic of me
I work in a prison. The head of our union said that the goal was to reduce the prison population. I later asked him "wouldn't that reduce the need for us and in turn, lower our bargaining power?" He just ran off.
10:53
*wants to remain anonymous
*shows license plate
DeBlasio saying he fights for fairness didn't age too well.
“That’s not necessarily the case”....he says over and over again....me thinks he doth protest to much.
The things he was saying are just gross, I can't understand how anyone can support someone saying "business owners that say the the policies are forcing negative changes and putting them out of business aren't actually being affected by the policy changes."
Politicians, activists never admit they’re wrong when they’re wrong
It was great to see the common sense of the man from Guatemala,, he probably felt great speaking to a journalist honestly without fear of a death squad showing up. We could appreciate what we have a bit more
You're presuming a union thug didn't track him down. Union doesn't get paid if the illegal contractor gets all the work.
@@lonesnark Yup, Unions can be nasty like that.
Death squads?? 30 years ago, maybe.
@@j.k.4479 yup
Union representative: "We need to crack down on workers to protect them from employers that had to lay them off because we cracked down on them. It's in their best interest to make sure they can't work at all"
LOL check that third guy from the left @4:43. He's like: WTF am I even doing here? I'm at the wrong party! xDDDD
Long live black market law breakers, I salute you.
with olden day slavery the masters of the slaves had to feed and house the slaves.
With modern day slavery, the slaves have to feed and house themselves.
good those jobs need to be automated
@Sam McPherson There is no slavery if workers are free to leave.
So-called black market car washing sounds like a very libertarian concept.
@@phamnuwen9442 yeah, free to starve. The average laborer cannot simply leave. There is freedom to, & then there is freedom _from._
Translation: "The genesis of the campaign came out of the realization that this was a market that our union wasn't making any money on. We felt that we could make a big impact on our bank accounts off this industry." FIFY
Ridiculous compared to original minimum wage
I love how when It came to interviewing the middle easter dude the music suddenly changed bahahaha
LOL, why would a car washer go on strike? They can be replaced within the hour
Why would they go on strike when they can get the government to put a gun to employers heads and rob them?
Led along by a union that wants to establish another line of rent seeking. Unions just want your dues so they don't have to get a real job themselves.
"Not if we make it illegal first!" says the slimy union rep
i never got that..people that go on strike and a high school kid could replace you immediately...not very smart.
Thurgor - Because liberals prey on low IQ, low skill, poor people. It's not about justice, it's about destroying the free market, and replacing it with Socialism.
Someone said to me recently “there’s no way to start and sustain a successful business in the U S unless you’re willing to lie to the government.”
Or at least exploit the tax loopholes.
Dan naw just in liberal shit hole states
No that’s mostly in liberal cities
As a worker, why can't you decide how much you're willing to accept and legally take a wage under $15? That doesn't make any sense. If I can't find work at $15, I'd be happy to work for less... to have work. Why don't *I* get to decide how much I'm willing to work for?
$15 per hour to wash a car, are they nuts
Vote for Larry Sharpe running for governor of the New York state....
You gotta love Larry.
You are so right, Sitnam Dandiwal! An interview with Larry Sharpe made me realize that I'm a libertarian.
I will. I am tired of Cuomo.
Satnam Dandiwal, amen!
I don't live in NY but if I did I would vote for him. That guy is the kind of leadership we desperately need right now for our country to survive.
"Thats a devil's bargain", you mean benefits for me, none for thee!
This dude a such a evil jerk
But my non skills deserve a Bentley and a million dollar home..
I used to work for a union grocery store in Michigan. I didn't see the need as we got paid about as much as the competition was paid. I moved to Ohio and interviewed at two grocery stores one union one not. The non union store paid a few more dollars an hour than the union one. This got me thinking. Why pay a union when they take your money and don't give any benefit. Some BIG businesses and induustries should have unions but small business isn't one of them. If a business makes less than a million a year, a union is going to make things worse. I moved from a town in Michigan that had the longest nurse strike in US history. The hospital could have very easily given the nurses the benefits they so desperately wanted, but had a massive expensive construction project going on instead. The hospital hired traveling nurses who didn't care about the striking nurses and had to pay them more. All the surrounding hospitals in Mich are union. Lots of the striking nurses moved away. Don't forget that all labor creates value in society. The Wealthy capitalist always wants to exploit that value for themselves. Small businesses struggle to compete with much bigger businesses because bigger businesses have more value (people) to exploit and rig the system to benefit themselves. Big business doesn't want people to have a choice. Small business does. Small business is more accountable to its comunity and employees than big business. Thanks.
Not my fault...says the guy who started everything... doesn't want to believe his efforts were in vain..
Raise minimum wage to $100 an hour. But bread will cost $40 a loaf.
gtq838 he’s right
gtq838 if people make minimum wage higher therefore companies will need to make more so they will raise prices of their product
@gtq838 he is right, raising the minimum wage causes a vicious cycle
@gtq838 yes it does, during the depression cost of living was low but higher than most peoples earnings
Sylver Serf
Kill the rich and we won't have to pay them $2 more for bread so they don't have to work for a living!!
Why would anyone complain about being paid low for washing cars? Anyone can do it at their home, even kids.
$13.50 minimum wage would have been a softer blow to the business owners.
When social economics class is replaced by a class that removes the economics, you get a college graduate versed in the popular theory, not facts. Then they run for office!
God help us.
I’m seeing it now
Well said
Absolutely 💯. I see this everywhere and it often results in being unable to have a critical or factual discussion due to the op being woefully inadequate to address topics and issues.
Its just that providing workers with better benefits and salaries, already works perfectly well in europe. Where way fewer truly unskilled jobs like in the US exist, but unemployment isnt really any higher.
Its just that any specific policies in the US get perverted to a point where they dont make sense anymore, so you can say the whole thing doesnt make sense. Like how stupid is adjusting a minimum wage just once every few decades? Of course that is a huge shock to the market because it has to double all at once then. Everywhere else that has minimum wages it just gets raised along with inflation every single year. So its never an issue.
Very telling how Andrew Cuomo’s voice breaks on the words “fairness” and “justice”
... and the babies these clowns kill each year ...
Everyone needs to hear this. Politicians certainly don’t understand the complexities of economics and revert to unrealistic expectations. It just requires something simple: common sense!
I think we like to claim politicians are stupid and have no common sense. But politicians know this. They don't keep their jobs doing the right thing. Most of the masses think forcing businesses to pay more is a good move.
I saw a guy get busted with over $10,000 in cash at new York Airport. He was from south America and came to New York to work as a mechanic for 6 months and was only paid 8 bucks an hour. He did it to support his family back home. It was on "to catch a smuggler"
I love how absolutely CLUELESS the union representative is! Denial, deflection, dismissal... he just can't accept the fact that he is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
That union rep is not clueless. He knows what unionization has done to that market segment. He also knows that his paycheck comes from those union dues. He's a parasite. I would like to see legislation that says a union rep can make no more than the highest salary of the union membership.
You are correct. I should have said that I love how the union rep *plays* clueless!
he isn't clueless these people know
he’s not clueless. he knows exactly what he’s saying.
he’s only on it for the money. i will give you an example.
USPS have an estimate 327,000 APWU members that pays $40-50/pay check (twice a month), total that. that’s how much money UNION representatives get from hardworking people.
UNION is a big parasite.
He's going to say whatever pushes his narrative. Unionize is more members, that guys paycheck is from Union dues. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
There is one issue with a fixed minimum wage that is not mentioned often enough:
The effect of a minimum wage can depend very much on which direction the economy and currency is headed. If the economy is doing well, a minimum wage will likely not make much of a difference anyway. If the economy is doing badly, you would probably rather have a low paying job than no job at all.
Once the minimum wage is set, its inflexibility is another issue. $15 in one economic climate might mean a very different thing than in another economic climate, so without the dollar amount changing, the effective minimum wage, in terms of purchasing power, changes.
These laws, in general, cause more problems than they solve. Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman and many other economists explain this issue very well. In particular, I recommend reading Thomas Sowell's book "Basic Economics". A free audiobook version is available on UA-cam.
Really? Is that why Mexico wages are so low and people are running away because they can't survive? Lmao is bad times we have social welfare so employers don't take advantage of high unemployment and give people low wages.
TLDR: When population growth exceeds economic growth in a time of automation wages are driven down as cost of living goes up. It's impossible to alter one variable without effecting all others as they are linked in many ways.
I second Milton Friedman's work to understand economics. There is a great TV series from the 1970s or 1980s with Friedman called "Free To Choose" that is available on UA-cam that has the audience challenge Friedman's ideas and he responds to their questions/challenges. It is very accessible for anyone. You don't need to know economics first, as he explains these concepts in plain English with examples.
@@trentonwarner5323 no solution is for government to spend on infrastructure welfare and government guarantee job programs like FDR did. You think a Capitalist is going to invest in a recession and hire people when there are no customers? Lol
And comparing u.s to Mexico is great because both Capitalist but one with welfare program and high min wage and union protection ( besides right to work states and free trade which killed Union.) And other with no regulations or employee protection.
@@trentonwarner5323 Hoover made it worse, FDR saved it. Look at the history of GDP per year and see how much GDP went up with FDR. Not to mention I can prove it unlike your retarded Right wing historians.
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Economics aside, I WISH we had hand-washing businesses here. Stupid machines always rip off my damned license plates, screw up my wipers, and still don't even get my car fully clean.
My buddy worked at a car wash. he sold weed to his friends all day at work. Made triple what he did working selling just pot. Guys would come in wash their cars and buy weed was a great racket.
Speaking of rights, a man has the right to negotiate any price with anyone for his labor. A machine has none. A man must. and if you do not grant him that right, you have brought us down to the level of the machine.
I like how you stated that. The right to negotiate your labor price is a right the government has no right to take away. I guess that's what "Right To Work" means.
Try negotiating for a pay raise at a car wash. Most likely the owner will tell you to leave if you're not happy. Maybe a guaranteed minimum income is the answer. I'll give reason.com credit for bringing up valid issues but I don't believe the status quo is the answer.
True but in the end its always the one with the money and leverage to decide. You have the right to negotiate but can be met with a no. Also from my perspective, the hiring landscape is also changing to where skills are taking a back seat or become irrelevant. It's more about fitting in than proving yourself for that bigger paycheck.
I like to bring discussions like these back to the schools. If we had a better (i.e. privatized) education market, people would graduate with more skills, and would be better prepared to support themselves without the (fading) advantage of further education.
@@faststratjo2006
The reason for that is because the amount of workers available vs demand. Their is a surplus so people cannot bargain for higher wages. Of their were more jobs available than workers could decide via the market.
I just talked to a friend who was a huge advocate for the $15/hour "livable wage". He now is full time making $15.50/hour and he says it's "garbage money". If you inflate the economy, the minimum will never be enough.
That’s only barely over 20k year after tax 😂 of course it’s a shit salary
I think your friend is just trying to live a life style he can't afford imo.
@@misterbanshee7992 it's good for entry level
I make $15 an hour and I can afford a studio apartment beacuse my grandma taught me to think about the needs more than the wants
"Si se pwadwey!"
The sentiment roughly translates to "hispanics don't speak english!"
"Yes We can"
- Pander to immigrants
- Convince them that they are helpless victims
- Convince them that progressives are their only option politically
- Destroy the jobs and economy upon which they survive
@@joeschmo9953
Sure. What they don't realize is most hispanics that they are pandering to come from 3rd world nations, and are far more conservative then they care to realize. Their not aiming for those people... They're aiming for their children.
Love how the Union guy was keep on in denial.
Undeniable lesson I learned from my Dad. Find a thing in demand,that is hard to learn and do. Master it and always be flexible to learn more complex skills. You either do or don't.
It doesn’t even have to be hard sometimes. Find something that’s in demand that a lot of ppl don’t do
My dad..."don't spend money you don't have."
Dosnt really matter if you have to work that job and two others just to survive and stay alive.
@@D9xAbstract You do what you have to do, until you can do what you want to do. I have an ED in Education and a Math Specialist degree. Did it for 30 years but was a Union Ironworker in Local 7 for 8 years and a Contractor before that. Whatever it takes, do it.
@@D9xAbstract Jobs that are hard to do and learn mostly aren't low paying smh
A waitress yesterday told me her restaurant business is slowing down
This high wage is passed tobthe consumer
So the consumer is staying home
No business to restaurant
Heck yeah. I can't afford to eat at a restaurant for me and the lady for $25 each, then be expected to leave a $10 tip every night, and I do tip when I go out. I stay at home and home make food, spend that $25 on a fully decked out meal for both of us.
The business should not be raising the prices.
That is what the problem is.
The problem is not paying her more.
(What is a drop in the bucket to the establishment's daily income).
There are a lot of things to assess.
Is the food serving establishment charging too much in the 1st place ?
Is the establishment run effectively and efficiently by the owner?
Etc, etc, etc, etc..........
...Is the owner too GREEDY for as MUCH of the establishment's income as possible?
By the way, it is true and real, that if, WHEN, the prices are actually LOWERED,
the business income actually
EXPONENTIALLY increases.
Think about it.
Simplify:
You sell hotdogs out of a cart at the Park.
There's two hotdog carts at the Park.
One sells hotdogs (the same basic hotdogs!) for a dollar.
The other cart sells the hotdogs for 75¢
The 1.00@ hotdog seller sells 50 a day.
The 75¢@hotdog seller sells 200 hotdogs a day.
They both have small carts of the same type, work the same hours, have the same costs.
Do the math!
Who is doing better?
....with the lower price to the hotdog consumer, selling the exact same hotdog!!
@@SunnyIlha
"The 1.00@ hotdog seller sells 50 a day.
The 75¢@hotdog seller sells 200 hotdogs a day."
it doesn't work that way. First, there is limited amount of customers. You can't expect to exponentially increase the number of customers just because you lower the price.
Second, no way the second owner doesn't lower the price to compete.
Third, when you lower the prices, you hurt your bottom line. You can't reduce prices forever. There is a line where it just isn't profitable and not worth it. And idiots that intervene into free market anf artificially jack up the costs of doing business are hurting small businesses that have little room to optimize their expenses.
@@SunnyIlha You've obviously never ran a business in your life and have no idea what a profit margin is.
This is the whole reason why the government kicked inflation into high gear. Now your 15 hrs will be worth about 8. 00 hr
Jack Belinsky? Sounds like a character from GTA... :D
In a situation like this, a union for carwash employees, the only ones that benefit are the union suits. They collect the dues, and do nothing for the actual workers.
well in a situation where more than 2% of the employees are union members they could actually collectively negotiate for higher wages without needing the government to step in.
Annddd collectively allow lazy and non motivated workers retain positions that they probably shouldnt hold. Unions are long over used we have 3rd party non profit orgs that will do the same and aren't based on taking money from workers or be politics.