Zero FX with Modular Batteries Review
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the modular battery is very useful for ppl who live in apartments and don't have their own garage. pop out the battery n take it home to charge. also when you take out the battery, its difficult to steal it
Difficult my ass, she's light as hell (especially without the battery). Even if the steering is locked anyone could just lift it up with the help of a friend and pop it into a van or something.
Golden Maximo lol yeah great idea steal a registered vehicle that you still have to spend 2000 on a battery for
Too easy to have the battery stolen. Bet alot of batteries end up stolen.
I have a Kawasaki KLX250 that two people could easily lift into a van, removing battery from Zero will make it even lighter. When parking in the city theft is an issue
I love what Zero is doing with their motorcycles but they're so expensive as motorcycles. Perhaps I'll own one some day, when there's a more affordable entry level model
SDG Danny it's a tesla roadster. I'm waiting for Honda and Yamaha with their scooter(they have hybrid out) then we have to wait for normal bike next. It's the same cycle.
SDG Danny
If it was 60% of that proce, I'd be on board! I'll wait 10 years though. Buy it for my kid.
Yeah same ! You bet that everything electric will come down in cost drastically in the next 10 years
Dude, you can get a used zero for $6K.
Get the Luna Sur electric bike best alternative then the Super73
Standardize the batteries, then rent them out to consumers who can change them at a gas station. Problem solved. Except that good luck getting manufacturers to agree on standards. It needs political pressure, which is why I reckon it'll happen in Europe before the US.
The good news is once it happens in Europe, it'll be cheaper to just use the same standard in the US
I was thinking the same thing!!!
Late reply, but there is a problem. People that pay for higher-end models, with heftier price tags, expect higher performance. In the electric side majority of performance comes from the battery, contrary to gas-powered bikes where gasoline has a much less potent effect on performance. Then, people who want a more affordable bike likewise will have to get more "affordable" performance. Which comes at the price of cheaper cells. It's all about the money. You pay less, you get less. Just the way it goes. Tesla tried this years back with interchangeable battery packs that could be swapped pre-charged at gas stations, but the idea was buried because of the hassle it would provide with different models and across the board standardized performance.
when a battery dies of old age charging who pays to swap a new one into the system?
When it comes to electric vehicles, people need to stop thinking about them like a gas one. You don’t need charging stations like you do gas stations, you charge at home and charge at home again. Only if you go across the country do you have to worry about that.
You got the point =D
Sure that's fine if you use it for commuting, I did a 180 mile ride up PCH last weekend, the Zero can't do that.
This is why I think we should do our daily usage with electric motorcycles (NOT ELECTRIC CARS) and then keep gas cars for good things, like road trips.
I can’t even use this for commuting to school and back. The lack of range, charge time, and price make this entire line of bikes impractical. A standard dualsport is still the way to go. Cool idea, just not there yet.
How far do you commute, and is it a fun drive? I know some folks that have some really boring commutes. I know others that get to go down hilly roads and stuff. My place of employment is so close, I can shoot the front door from my house.
it would be great if there were battery stations everywhere and you could simply change the battery for a charge one then leave the discharged one so latter anyone could pick it up in the same way
This is the worst idea ever! Batteries only last for a set amount of time until they start to degrade. Some factors such as heat, fast charging, fast discharging, remaining at high and low state of charge can and will speed up this process. Most owners try to treat batteries properly in orden to extend battery cycles. However if you won’t see that battery again, why caring? And every battery will start degrading faster: less range. Moreover, that is like not owning a battery but relying on a network of batteries that will be even less widespread than charging stations for electric vehicles (not only you will have to find a place where there are batteries, supposing they are charged when you arrive there, but you will also have to find one of your same brand and model)
MR.Twentysix interesting approach
Kind of like propane tank exchanges for grills you see at gas stations
Yes this is the best solution but I have the feeling there would soon be a time when all these batteries would be tatty and in poor condition, unless they have someone on site to monitor and maintain them.
What about lowlifes who would purposely exchange only their old, piece of crap batteries for better ones. And maybe even do it just to sell the better ones for a profit? Maybe if every station had a qualified person to assess each exchange, but that would probably be too costly.
Need a review of one of these from the point of view of a serious dirt rider
Amazing that the bike only weighs as much as my girlfriends mother!
S Ash “Like mother like daughter”.
My GirlFriend weighs 500
I live in the East Bay near Oakland. Where can I go check one of these out?
modular system is great for when u live in an apartment sf with no garage.
I know this comment is quite late, but if you have a ground floor apartment there's nothing preventing you from just pulling the bike inside to charge it.
@@braydenkenney3313 maneuvering 300 lb of motorcycle through your doorway can be awkward especially if it's narrow. The batteries are 45 lb a piece though so that's not exactly easy carrying around if you have a distance to walk.
Love the concept and overall execution of the machine but at 10,000 bucks, it is hugely expensive. But then again, batteries are expensive indeed...
It's similar to gogoro with modular batteries, instead gogoro has it's own charging station where you can swap out your battery with others
i have one since 2016 love the bike but range totally sucks i constantly over heat it iam lucky to get 25 miles out of it but i guess iam not the typical rider ive tried contating zero on this matter of overheating but have got "zero" help for them
then its beter for you to just buy the greyp bicicle charges to full in 80 minutes and can do 70+ km/h i think someone said it can go 130 km/h but it has a speedblock at 100 km/h and the range is around 130km
Two questions. Do the batteries have a carry handle?
Do the Zero motorcycles have regenerative charging? Meaning if you’re riding down a downgrade they charge.
No carry handle. An awkward block of aluminum weighing 40 lbs.
They have regenerative power.
They didn't go over what kind of noise the bike makes. I am assuming it is completely silent and that lead me to the question of safety. In many cases exhaust noise from bikes helps keep other drivers and even pedestrians aware of their presence on the road.
I think it makes sense for somebody in a city with no on street place to charge. Still on the expensive side per kWh.
there is a bike called Tork , review that and its affordable .
Great presentation. $10,000 is pricey. I remember your review of the Sondor 3 wheel car. Is that car ready to buy? Is so, I rather spend $10,000 or the car.
What is the weight of the 3.6KWh battery?
Michael Gebhart it's about 280 18650 cells. 16 of these cells gives 200wh and is around a kilo. Around 18kg should be the total weight
Okay thank you. That's about 40 U.S. pounds.
A non-modular EV bike is being developed in India that will give a 100km range along with a 100 km top speed. It'll cost around 2000-3000$ according to the rumors.Pretty much near the gogoro's territory
... and it'll be indian crap
Sounds like a Ryan Little beat in the background. Don't see any credits though.
This dude just called us fat?
No
Not really, just everyone's posture will be almost similar to his. Upright on the seat with no windshield leads to lots of headwind. This increases drag therefore reducing MPG.
Just be short and lean. Acceleration, top speed and economy for free.
Its gear no gear please reply
You're talking about the *ZERO FXS ZF3.6 MODULAR* bike but it seams you're talking about the specs of the other bike, *ZERO FXS ZF7.2*
You need to stick to the *bike* you’re mentioning and not jump around the two *bikes* cause Its hella confusing. If you get my drift
well, E-Drift…..
Jason Bourney right!? This is hella confusing...
What is the top speed...of this bike
85 miles per hour
I saw a "5 year" sticker on the side of the battery. Hopefully, the battery last longer than this. My thinking is that the bike will pay for itself just by not using gasoline as I have a 27 mile commute to work and I am driving a 2004 Tacoma at 23 mpg. Putting a few dollars aside each month to buy a new battery in 6 - 10 years would negate the sting of getting a replacement battery.
A lot less maintenance as well
Zero claims the batteries last from 100,000 to 250,000 miles before dropping below 80% range. I have spoken to people that have these bikes and from what I understand that is actually more or less accurate. But because it is a claim made by a company that wants to sell you the bikes let's assume it is the lower value. 27 mile commute, 5 days a week, 260 days a year for 7,020 miles ridden a year. In 5 years you'd have ridden 35,000 miles. Assuming you don't ride any extra miles you'd need to ride another 10 years before the battery falls under 80%.
It is important to note though that there are things you can do besides riding that lower the total life-span of the battery. Heat, fast charging, draining the battery to 0 and charging the bike while it is fully charged. These things happen pretty regularly so I would expect the life-span to be effected negatively enough to not get that close to 15 year potential lifespan. It is still kind of expensive even if you started putting aside money now. 3,000ish dollars a battery for 10 years is 25 dollars a month.
we all really need removable battery and 3 wheels for emergency curve breaking as all of us live in appartement on the 6th floor and we do not have a garage. the removable batteries need to be on wheels and 1 second exchanged.
haha, worst comment on this video! Yay!
It would be a fun toy to play around with if you had an extra 10 grand laying around
Lol, indeed. Should I buy a fully loaded Zero FX or a Macbook Pro... Hmmmm... :D
You're an idiot.
@@andrewsheridan612 ...how is he an idiot?
Whatever happened to Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles? Couldn't you theoretically refuel one of those as fast as a gas powered vehicle?
Hydrogen makes the most sense in motorcycles anyways. Cars not so much.
Make an aerodynamic helmet and jacket that has like a v shape down the whole front
You have to have another battery but damn, $3k each? Fix that and I’m in.
Price is 2-3 times what it should be according to other EV's
Make this thing look good from the side and make this model without quick change of battery.
There are so many uninformed commenters here, it's ridiculous! A quick googling would have answered all your questions!
Spider Man One informed comment might be "not available in Australia"
Great. but I can't even use it as a way of transportation from home to school... lacking of range greatly ... >.>
Why do you live 40+ miles from school, or if you can charge at your school, why do you live 80+ miles from your school?
The cost of these bikes plus the poor highway range is why none of the Japanese companies are making electric bikes, but are developing them. The gas bike equivalents are still better bikes, and thousands less expensive. Even for people with a short commute, a 650 twin uses little gas, so what's the point? These are a niche market for EV enthusiasts.
okleydokley even a 650 versey's including fuel and road tax would still be less than this
Zero is marketing their offroad bikes to hipsters, when they should be marketing them to hunters, ranchers, off-grid types.
I am sure I would need a whole lot more padding that what that seat has!
😍😍 but the range 😫😫
10K for a dual sport is high but ok with me...the batteries (omg smh) I need to start and ride cost up to $3000 smh.
....I'll just say no.
Whats the price of it?
$9500-$11500 USD depending on battery size/options
You buy this exact bike with the same batteries off of DHGate for about $1,700.
Cheap Chinese knock offs that you have to buy 2 or more and freight and tariffs make them expensive. Not worth it.
Don't just focus on the upfront costs. Huge monetary savings in fuel and maintenance make up for the difference. Not to mention no time wasted on carrying out maintenance yourself or dealing with dealers after the sale.
Motorcycles are very fuel efficient already. You'll never get the cost back from fuel savings.
@@awdrifter3394 You'll never get your money back from purchasing any vehicle at all. Riding the bus or getting a cheap walmart bicycle is the way to go if all you want is to transport yourself as low cost as possible. EVs offer feel and performance advantages as well.
@@SWTrailsAndWheels yes, owning a car or motorcycle will cost more than taking trains or bus. But your comment that the fuel savings and lower maintenance will make up the cost difference between the electric motorcycle and gas motorcycle is not true for most people. They'll never recoup the difference of the upfront cost.
What nobody really talks about with the modular battery is you can after 6 + years of driving buy a new module after the old ones have degraded without having to pay for a battery swap at the dealership👌
Aye what do you mean?? I’m thinking about getting one but I’m worried about how long is the battery going to last
Literally same concept as gogoro
Still inconvenient when you consider that you can refuel a non electric motorcycle in approximately 1 minute.
A) The best electric motorcycle currently offers about 100 mile highway range IF you keep it to 55mph with a 3-10 hour full recharge. The bike in this video has a 39 mile highway range...eek.
B) Aside from tires you will still have to change/service: wheel bearings, chain/belt, steering bearings, brake pads and rotors, brake fluid, shocks...
Exactly. These electric dual-sports ironically only appeal to off-grid types. People with a hundred acres to patrol.
lol when I heard the price of that battery... peace.
Sadly, gas is still the way to go. I just can't keep up with any of my riding friends. Same pack thats in this, but they just spend 2 minutes at the gas station and keep on ticking...
It's not like gas bikes are any better energy-efficient wise on freeways
Would love one of these bikes but the base model of this bike costs over £12000 not dollars, POUNDS here in the UK, which is ridiculously over priced, bring it down to nearer the same as the US price and I'll buy one !!!
The price of the battery says it all
It's not for me (aj gorib bole 😔)
I am so sick and tired of hearing how expensive batteries are. I watched a dude make a supercapacitor at home with some charcoal and acetone and PVA and it was ten times better than what you get in the stores. No more excuses for electric vehicles.
Eh, there is. Lithium isn't used in supercaps anywhere. Lithium is expensive and dangerous. Comes at reward of high energy density and output. However patience is a virtue and as time passes so will the high prices of commercially sold batteries. I do agree with you here though. 3 grand for batteries that cost a fraction to produce
I WANT I LIKE 3 DISKOS ABS THIS IS ALL RGHT BIG DANGER NOT DISKOS ABS IS GOOD 3 DISKOS ABS ALL RGHT GOOD
Yes, yes, of course, but how do you feel about the 3 Diskos ABS?
I would give my first born for this bike..
Photo and specs please
the zero fx alone is fucking expensive.. hope prices will come down cause electric bikes are awesome
3,000$ for a battery I could literally buy a new grom with that
$2895 for a 3.6KW batterie.???? That is not close to reasonable........A 98Kw batterie in a Tesla is $12000..........Do the math 4 times the price, But 25 times the capacity......Per KW, the Tesla batterie is MANY times cheaper...........Come on Zero.....You can do better than this......Paul
If it can't make it from San Bernardino to Big Bear it isn't worth it unfortunately. And no Zero, even their top of the line street models can make that 36 mile hill climb.
I call my girlfriend 'Meatslab'.
Fabulous bike for that Saturday morning putt around or commute to work. Amazes me that Zero are so far along with e bikes yet Honda who wowed the world in the 70's (Honda CB 750/4) have been stuck in "prototype" mode for the last 20 or so years and still have nothing for the electric motorcycle market but their, yawn, concepts. Good on Zero and wake up Honda!
I'll pass, and wait until the competition and battery tech catch up to reality.
so basically a battery review video
Soooo expensive 🤑
Just get a gogoro way cheaper
Was about to suggest that :D
Except they're not available in the United States.
gogoro is probably the stupidest electric bike company on the planet. A bunch of clueless zombies. Look elsewhere
Looks like a yamaha xt
Come back to me when they make a full faring sport touring bike with at least 250 miles of range then you can have my money.
Batteries are not that expansive anymore! This bike is just overpriced, you can get a bike like that in China for 3k
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha, I bet you can
India has an interesting model coming out for around 3k with lots of cool features
yahoo
Modular batteries are a good idea but when the batteries cost 3,000 dollars on top of a 10k+ dollar bike it stops making sense. And I am not a petroleum junkie. I like EVs but that just plain sucks. Zero is a company and has to make profit but parts like a battery should be an aspect of their company where servicing the customer to keep them loyal to their products is more important than milking them. Batteries are expensive but 3,000 dollars are very massive margins. It would seem Zero is doing the same strategy that Tesla and Apple are doing. Trapping you in an ecosystem and milking you.
For that price i can have yamaha r1
15k+ euros >.
Why hasn't Tesla stepped up and made a cheap bike, the Asian market for them alone makes it worth it.
GingerRuss75 nothing tesla is cheap if they made a bike it would be at least $20k
Tesla and cheap?? You mad??
Cuz tesla is a sinking ship. Poorly run/managed.. they'll be left in the dust by newcomers over the next 5-10 years.
7 lakh inr for 80km ?
what weed is that?
Zero FX to give here....
"Batteries are expensive" - this is ridiculous, nothing can apologize the price of that motorcycle.
One kWh of li-ion battery cells costs about 250$, whole 1kWh battery pack is about 400$, so 7.2kWh price should be no more than 3000$ (numbers are from automotive industry, i.e. Tesla). So why this machine cost so much? Simple air cooled synchronous motor with belt drive, no clutch, no transmission, no fuel system, no starter, every other component is same as in classic bike. Can anyone explain me why it costs 10.500$ without VAT, which is more than double of gas motorcycle with equal spec?
You talk like every product should be priced by the sum of it's parts which is stupid. Are the sum of parts going to pay for research, testing, engineers, bootstrap, transport, waste, management, marketing, advertisements, partnerships, PROFIT and all that?
@@RomeoMihalcea main idea of my comment was that batteries are not so expensive. This bike is expensive because company produce this bike in very small quantities and sell it with huge price margin - they can afford it, because they always find some rich people which are willing to buy one.
Electric propulsion is very simple in comparison with some classic internal combustion engine setup (with clutch, gearbox, starter, fuel system, lubrication, water cooling...) - there are huge price savings. Only batteries are pulling price up.
Research, testing, engineers, marketing.... all of this is covered also in price of gas motorcycles, and they are considerably cheaper.
@@ferosofranek8817 nothing changed in the ICE department for decades. They are tweaking terms here and there to justify some upgrades but everything stays the same since long before I was born. Price = investment + profit. Your investment must be recuperated from sales. Low sales volume dictate higher prices otherwise you go bankrupt. Gas moto have higher sales volumes and investment can be recuperated even though price per unit (ppu) is lower.
@@RomeoMihalcea your statement "nothing changed in the ICE department for decades" is completely absurd. Automotive industry provides work for hundreds of thousands scientists and engineers. Everywhere, in any kind of human activity runs never ending process of research and development. If you compare ICEs from 1990 and from 2020 - the differences are obvious (in every aspect). And we pay those engineers in prices of new cars.
As I said before, Zero company doesn't care about price of their motorcycles, because they always sell some. There is no push to reduce price, almost no competition and many rich people and electro-enthusiast willing to buy.
@@ferosofranek8817 0 difference from 90' to 2020. Amg still puts the same engine on cars for example, same engine since the 90's. ICE has reached its peek long time ago buddy. Don't babble about the automotive industry because the same industry is using electric for a long time (take tesla or other EVs deployed successfully). We're talking ICE here and ICE has stalled decades ago. I will say this again maybe you missed it: same engines since the 90s, I would go as back as the 70s and find an engine that works better than engines placed on cars today! That's 50+ years of nothing. That's how much bs surrounds the ICE. Sure the technology of other parts of the car has changed but the same tech is being carried to electric now.
Modular batteries are a great option, but can the electric motor actually handle that sustained use?
The electric motor can handle it. It’s actually the batteries you should worry about. Batteries degrade in performance under excessive heat.
Chris Bautista
Zero has a huge battery warranty and this small motor does not cause battery overheating. Nothing to worry about for 150,000 miles or more.
I know it's not exactly the same, but there are electric motors in other machinery that runs 24/7 for years.
Almost everyone in China has one and it's like $300-600... Lol 😂
Triggered Feminist it goes like 50kmh downhill.
Yep gogoro and similar bikes
You could probably reverse engineer and make your own battery pack for a fifth of the price or less. What a fucking rip off.
Ridiculously expensive bikes.
Modular batteries is cool.... But you could buy a real motorcycle for the cost of the battery.
I absolutely loved my Sur Ron. Fsrily affordable and did nothing any other bike can. These electric motorcycles have a long way to go.
this machine can be a good bike but never ever a good ev
You're an idiot.
No thanks too expensive, would rather get a normal gas powered bike.
yeah just wait few years
Epsilon i calculated it, i can get a bike, convert it to 140hp diesel at a professional shop, and run it at swedish fuel-prices for 6 years before the total cost difference is in favor of the zero fx, even assuming no repairs or maintenance for the zero while the diesel had a top blown (yes, that diesel bike actually exists and it just hit $11k in total cost since its first drive in 2009)
Nice try. The motor and batteries are good for 300000 miles in which time you would spend three times the cost in repair rebuild and new bikes
@@Blvckout247 no need to change brakes you say? haha
It is very cool but not practical at all.
lmao whomst the fucc rides a bike for more than 60 miles anyway.
your mom does, duhh
Is it really greener??? Some studies show the process of manufacturing the batteries pollutes far more than an internal combustion engine over its lifetime. Any comment?
that sucks...
50 horsepower dont sound like much.
Ibraheem Productions For a car yes. But on a motorcycle with the wind all over your face. That’s actually a lot.
Chris Bautista alright.
50 HP but mad torque thats always at 100%
HP is the wrong number for an EV, it has 78ftlbs of torque, which is close to 800-1000cc bikes.
okleydokley hp is what counts for top speed, torque is what gives acceleration. So this bike will accelerate like a 600, but it will have a top speed of a 350cc
haha only 289 lbs for a city cross dirtbike
Too expensive. Takes too long to charge. I'll pass.
Epsilon I actually agree with you. In 5 years, when prices come down, recharge times are a couple of minutes, I'll definitely consider it. (And thank you for your polite and educated comment. 👍)
Good girl.
What in Newton's name is a footpound????
Look at those ugly indicators @3.20 ...
So if I add pedals to it it’s a e bike 😂 and I suppose you wouldn’t need plates ?
Literally the dumbest idea. Making an offroad electric bike.
"Lets go off road riding". After around 30mins "dude my battery is dead, its ok I can charge it in this wild wilderness. Umm, where on these trees do I plug my cable to?".
Yes you can just use it for city and urban use, but then why buy this type of bike in the first place? Might as well get a proper road bike. With that stupid full charge range, I won't even be able to get home from work without charging the bike somewhere during work. And I doubt there are free charging station anywhere. You are probably going to spend more charging it daily then just filling up with petrol. And also, how long will the battery last with daily full discharge and charging?
I have no problem with EVs, but at least be realistic rather then just making one just for the sake of making one. Also with that stupid pricing.
id rather buy a regular bicycle and convert itto ebike with higher specs than this one. And save a tons of cash. Well atleast it looks nice *thumbs up*
Standardize the batteries, then rent them out to consumers who can change them at a gas station. Problem solved. Except that good luck getting manufacturers to agree on standards. It needs political pressure, which is why I reckon it'll happen in Europe before the US.
It's actually happening in India now