Why I Don't Like Majora's Mask - Critical Nobody
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2017
- Breaking down why I'm not a big fan of Majora's Mask...be gentle...
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IIRC the temp save system was exclusive to the North American release. The Japanese just had the perma-save I believe.
Jesse K Yeah I learned that over the course of making this video. So they didn't get the useless system, just the annoying one
Critical Nobody right xd personally I like the dark aspect of majoras mask. The only part of the game I thought was super unfun was the water temple, but that's more because I hate water levels.
Saying it's way better than Skyward Sword without mention why is a fallacy.
Critical Nobody Thanks you made me realize it's flaws more. Great Job!
Two things:
1) You were right about item management being due to technical limitations. Basically, *so* much was shoved into that puny N64 cartridge that they didn't have enough room to keep up with everything. So, only a handful of event flags were programmed into the game and the rest is reset whenever time is turned back. That's why in some sidequests Tatl says the same exact lines upon multiple playthroughs and why things like the number of arrows or bombs can't be kept up with. That's ALSO why it's so easy to restock outside of Clock Town, the developers knew this would be the case so offered that as a quick fix.
2) The data limitation is ALSO the reason why you can't save anywhere. In fact, saving at the Owl Statues? That's a North American version invention, the original Japanese version had the Song of Time as the ONLY way to save the game. You ever wonder why Majora's Mask only had two save slots? That's why, the amount of storage space it took to TEMPORARILY suspend your game at an Owl Statue left the game with not enough room for a full three files.
Not trying to change your mind of the game and your complaints are valid even if I don't necessarily agree with all of them, I just thought you'd appreciate an explanation for some of these quirks... a full year later, at any rate.
Guess that's a consequence of the game originally being planned for the disc drive that never got off the ground. Perhaps Nintendo should've made N64's with cd's from the start. Would've been a little slower to load but at least they would've had more space, and developers wouldn't have flocked to the Ps1 nearly as aggressively.
@@VGamingJunkieVT the discs for the dd expansion looked more like warped floppies.
@@hikaru9624
Sort of like PSP umd's, then. A disc protected by a shell.
@@VGamingJunkieVT yeah. And thanks for mentioning the console! I own 1 psp game but wasn't sure what version of the psp I need to play it as I've never owned said console.
@@hikaru9624
Steer clear of the PSP Go since it's digital only but the other 3 are good. The third uses progressive scan, which eliminates ghosting but I think it has a slower image so personal preference to some degree whether the third or second one is better.
As a huge Majora's Mask fan, I was surprised about how many of your complaints I agreed with. I guess I just like what the game does right so much that I can look past its flaws, and that's why I love it despite agreeing that these things bring it down a notch. One thing I did heavily disagree with you on, though, is the dungeons.
I do agree that Woodfall Temple is a solid dungeon. Not really that special, just pretty good. The next 3 are where our differences arise.
I think Snowhead Temple is amazing for its focus on navigation and spacial puzzles (this is something I'll get back to in the next dungeons as well). Think of your average 3D Zelda dungeon - something like OoT's Deku Tree or Dodongo's Cavern. Its strong point is usually the puzzles, right? But those puzzles are almost always contained to their own rooms. You go into a room, solve a puzzle, and leave. Don't get me wrong, I love these dungeons, but I think MM's way was so much deeper and more intriguing. Instead of solving individual puzzles one by one, the dungeon _is_ the puzzle. You have to figure out how to get from place to place, what raising and lowering the central pillar causes, etc. The later dungeons capitalize on this principle, which is what I'll get to next.
Now, while Great Bay Temple isn't my favorite dungeon in the game and can be frustrating at times, I still think it's great. It takes the concept of "the whole dungeon is one big puzzle" that Snowhead Temple introduced and simply makes it better. It really makes you think hard to try and understand the inner workings of the dungeon. I found memorizing all the paths and figuring out the effects of the big levers and of the water flow's direction very enjoyable.
But what Great Bay Temple took to the next level, Stone Tower Temple took to the max. It's the culmination of everything I love about these dungeons, and is probably my favorite Zelda dungeon ever. Yes, the quests before it are tedious, and yes, flipping the temple upside-down is too (which I'm surprised you didn't complain about). But I prefer to look past that, because Stone Tower Temple is just. So. _Good_. First you have to go through the dungeon like any other Zelda dungeon, but then you get the light arrows and you flip it upside-down, and that's when the magic happens. You now have to look around the dungeon, trying to wrap your head around the new layout and where each of the rooms you remember is, and the numerous "wait, this is that place with the (blank) from before" moments it provides are incredible. It really feels like one big puzzle, and I think it's easily the deepest and most thought-provoking dungeon I've ever encountered in a Zelda game.
...Regardless, I'm one of the 12 or so people in the world who like OoT's Water Temple (for similar reasons as these dungeons), so maybe most people just don't like this dungeon style like I do, and that's fine. I'm just trying to express why _I_ personally think MM's dungeons are excellent, so hopefully I was able to provide a bit of insight.
Finally, if it wasn't clear, I liked this video a lot, it was very fair (although I do think you could've gone into more detail about what your exact grievances with the dungeons are, but that's a bit of a nitpick), and unlike some other videos like this, the "I don't like this game but it's fine if you do" sentiment felt like something you actually believed rather than something that was forced into the video so people don't get mad. Kudos for striking that balance.
Underrated comment
Let's not forget fairies added depth to these dungeons. Not only did you have to solve puzzles for a new room but you also had to put on the fairie mask to see if it reacts to the room. It added more stress if you consider beating the dungeon, collecting fairies and time. I remember beating the Stone Tower Temple during the night of the 3rd day because of it. Besides the temples the gold Skulltula sidequest were really good puzzles too I might add.
I agree with you, man.
I totally agree, btw I liked the water dungeon in Oot too!
I really appreciate the water temple from OoT. It can be annoying when you lock yourself out of where you need to go but it isn’t bad enough to ruin the entire dungeon for me. It is what make the dungeon unique from the rest and I think of that as a positive thing.
PROTIP: If you fall in Snowhead, pop on the Deku mask and walk into the lava. It'll void you out and you'll reset to the door you came from on the upper floor.
Nooooooo I read this too late
Thanks for telling me way too many years later 😂
I thought the same technique would work if you put on the Goron Mask in the Great Bay Temple and went in the water, but in sent me to the start of the dungeon in one of the rooms.
I never understood why people always ride epona around the ranch to shoot the aliens... I always just stood in front of the the barn and shot them it’s so much easier lol
Well the game encourages you too which could of been a good concept if you went around the ranch stopping the aliens to invade other locations but no instead it goes for something simple and the fact that it wants you to use epona for it is retarded
wait, you can do that lol, thought you had to be on the horse lol
@@rollsaroundindirt yeah and if you use the slow down time song the aliens move slower. And if you use the speed up song they move faster no idea why you would want that but there you go lol.
Yeah I just use bunny hood (don't even think you need that either) and just keep shooting and then head to the back of the barn to shoot the one that hides in the back and just keep going until the night's over.
@@midwaygamer-ou3my there is no speed up time song...just a way to fast forward. you are wrong. they have 2 flows. the slowed flow. and normal flow
I just completed the snowhead temple, my second temple and I am beyond ready for the game to be over. This will be a one and done for me.
Just quit then
Yea. If u don’t like it you don’t have to play it. Play the game. Don’t let the game play you. I never liked majoras mask either. Games are supposed to be fun ...
I also just finished the snow head temple(3ds version) and I gotta say if it wasn't for the time constraint, I'd have probably enjoyed it more but as it is I was constantly stressed and just wanted to finish it as fast as possible. I do like the game in general but damn the 3 day timer sucks even with the inverted song of time
it’s hilarious because when I was younger I could only do the wood fall temple but when I replayed it a few weeks ago the hardest temple for me was snowhead
@@danzackblack5829 lol i never understood people being stressed with a slow ass time system. Dont start a dungeon on day 2 then cry when you cant finish it. Its easy
I just don't like time limits
This. I tried this game on N64 and 3DS and both times the idea of an RPG-like/Action-Adventure-type game with any kind of real-time limit just really did not sit well with me. I know you can rewind time but that really didn't do anything to alleviate the feeling of being timed and the dread of having to repeat the same events over again.
That is the one thing that killed this game for me. I had to restart the entire Zora eggs quest which is required to go into this area's temple when I was only an egg away from completing it, I had to do both Snowhead and Great Bay temples twice because of this BS. I reached the point the game felt like chore, aggravating and anger inducing. I was about to give up because I was filled with so much anger. I hate when a game makes me repeat myself and punishes me just for the sake of a gimmick instead of me doing something wrong (like Dark Souls for example). I only completed it just so I can have the right to say I beat it and to be able to criticise the game. Out of Zelda games this is the one I despise the most. I rather play Skyward Sword than this. I am not saying Majora's Mask didn't have its moments but the negatives definitely surpassed the positives. Which is why out of all Zelda games, this is THE ONE game in the franchise I refuse to revisit.
There's basically no time limits in this game if you can use your brain. You only have one day left to do a dungeon? Hit the owl statue outside the dungeon and reset time. Teleport back and slow down time. Then you got plenty of time and should be able to complete any dungeon with like a day and a half to spare unless you're completely incompetent at the game. I hate when people make this argument when they shit on the game. It's not the game design that's the problem, you just have terrible time management.
@@WildDogGamerBoy Like I said in a comment before this, it's your time management that's the issue. Never do anything major without rewinding time first. You're doing a dungeon? Rewind time then slow down time and teleport to the owl statue outside the dungeon. You're doing the Zora egg quest? Do the same thing. It's not that the game is flawed, you're just bad at the game. And I was bad at the game too on my first playthrough since I also had time management problems. I think Majora's Mask is the best 3D Zelda game, and this is coming from a non-nostalgic standpoint since I played it later in my life. But hey, that's just my opinion. I think if you went back and played the game now, you would appreciate it a lot more than you did on your first playthrough.
A hard or soft time limit?
Some games use a 'hard' time limit where time continuously flow a la 1 minute irl = 1 hour in game like the Dead Rising series or Majora's mask. This makes the player constantly aware of the deadline and the game is just as much fighting against the clock as it is fighting whatever it is on screen. Lots of players complain about this system for good reason, it is really restrictive and places a certain type of stress on the player that never really goes away, the tension is always there without any way to unwind.
A 'soft' time limit is when a game has a deadline, but that deadline is not dictated by the amount of time that passes irl. Think the Persona series, times of day passes as the player chooses certain actions/activities that fills the time slot. While there is a 'time limit' it is really an action limit, the player can idle the game on a single day for hours at a time and the game will not progress unless the player confirms an action or the game auto passes time. 'Soft' time limit games tend to be way more forgiving when it comes to deadlines.
Both systems work around scheduling sequence of events to happen in a particular order in order to create the desired result.
That said I do think Majora's mask works very well with stricter 'hard' time limit systems, it isn't supposed to be 'fun' in the traditional sense. You the player is supposed to feel a sense of dread and stress at the end of the world. Similar to Spec Ops the Line, it isn't a 'fun' game but a meaningful one.
It's my least favourite Zelda game. I like parts of it, but the race-against-time aspect takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me.
I quit because of that
Same. At least all the other Zelda games, including Ocarina Of Time (as much as I don't like it.) let you take your time.
@@Reigndolph Ocarina of Time is still in my top ten favourite games of all time. I've played it for 25 years and I hope to still be playing it in the next 25 years.
@@FatherStack from my personal experience so far, windwaker is my personal favorite, all the games between the original zelda game & Majora's mask really bore me (despite their moments), 4 swords adventure was weird & pretty experimental, & twilight princess was just ok overall.
Uh, wait. You didn't actually talk about the Stone Tower temple besides "Ok." It's a chore to get to, but what about the Temple itself?
*You didn't actually talk about the Stone Tower temple besides "Ok."*
I think that's his answer. It's okay. I think everyone hates the approach, but the dungeon itself isn't 'that' exciting to give it anything of note, though it's not awful.
@@ImPersonNation it's personally my favorite dungeon in the whole series or atleast in my top 3
@@ultralevixz5912 ikr i was thinking the excact same thing watching the vid and reading comments finally someone who agrees with me 😁
@@ozzie_luca3193 yea it is one of the greats
I dont have any nastolga, I'm only 14 but I love n64 games for a personal reason. And. When I first played majoras mask I though I was gonna hate it compared to oot, but majoras mask became my favorite game ever almost immediately. Even though its dated by my generations standard, there is something special about the game that makes me love it. And I always love seeing vids like this from people that dont like the game, it's always fun to see what other people think and have online discussions since many are split on majoras mask.
I wish the Pirate Fortress guards had light detectors that were visible to Link. It seems that I get randomly get caught as soon as I enter the water as Zora Link, and the guard could be patrolling several feet away from me.
They do if you attempt it at night.
That feel when, unlike most of the internet, you can respect someone else's opinion while still having your own. I see your points, and your perspective, they were well thought out, and it was a very good put together explanation.
The dislike ratio says that your actually like most of the internet
They were nitpicks instead was of actual reasons. No game is without these, otherwise you shouldn't play any games.
I don’t know if people have already pointed this out but the Bottom of the Well section contains everything you need inside except for the first two things, so you don’t need to go out to get everything
You are correct, Ferdinand Von Aegir
I thought I was the only one who didn’t love majora’s mask the way everyone else seemed to. Don’t get me wrong I like it but it’s just never been one of my favorites I actually think ocarina of time is better. But it does have some of the best side quests in the series from a story perspective even if the rewards aren’t great. Anyway glad to see I’m not alone in liking but not loving majora’s mask
1. Loved the great bay temple.
2. Loved the giant boss fight in the final dungeon.
3. Loved finding out the entirety of everyone's story by going back in time over and over again.
I agree that getting to the final dungeon is a chore. But the difficulty and the detail is the point of the game.
did you actually watch the video my guy?
Caleb Fielding I agree completely, i played this when I was about 19 when this game came out and i didn’t have half the trouble this guy seems to be having.
This is some delusional rambling
I’ve been reading a lot of complaints on the time system in this game but I don’t remember as a kid that it was ever annoying. I thought the slow down song of time made it too easy to ignore the clock.
Who cares that the Ikana Canyon scientist leaping out of the wardrobe closet is freaky? Using the Song of Healing to cure him and hearing Pamela's reaction is one of the best moments in gaming
Great video! Majora's Mask is my favorite game ever, so initially I had a somewhat antagonistic attitude towards the video, but as I watched it, I couldn't help but agree or at least see where you're coming from with most of your points. I never even considered that Link and Tatl not being able to retain knowledge of previous 3 day cycles contradicted the entire point of a 3 day cycle. While I don't think it actively contradicts the point of the cycle, it was really nice seeing a new perspective on a game that is generally loved.
Hey there. I just wanted to make a non-aggressive post about why many of us are bothered less by the number of nearly useless masks.
Heck, one-use masks aren't the only nearly useless rewards. I've ALWAYS been irritated by heart pieces in the Zelda series, since it takes so long to get a full heart container that the payoff is almost intangible... and with only four bosses from which to earn full heart containers, there are a LOT of heart pieces to fill out Link's meter.
Heart pieces are more useful in Majora than in Ocarina, owing to the higher difficulty, but not by much. Surviving in Majora's Mask is still MUCH easier than Breath of the Wild.
So, what do you get for doing all these quests, and why doesn't it bother me so much?...
Most other Zelda games reward your progress with items, skills, spells, health/magic/stamina upgrades, and access to new areas. Majora's Mask, on the other hand, is the *only* Zelda game (by my count) where the primary reward is always *story.*
Unlike any other Zelda game, all of the NPCs are on a set schedule, looping within the three days. Whereas Breath of the Wild gives us peeks into the lives of Hyrule's residents leading up to the Calamity, Majora's Mask gives the unique experience of seeing the days leading up to the Moon's fall over the shoulders of a couple dozen background characters.
This was a risky strategy, because in order for story to be a sufficient reward, it needs to be a GOOD story, or at least a decent one. That's why I don't begrudge you at all if it didn't satisfy you. The Zelda series (and heck, games in general) have conditioned us to expect tangible rewards for completing optional quests. If you felt the story was not strong enough to act as a substitute reward, that is a perfectly valid perspective.
I'm sorry it wasn't more satisfying for you. I'm curious what you think of collecting Link's memories in Breath of the Wild. :)
Don't worry, man. You got good points here. The saving method is indeed terrible. I've had numerous issues with teleportation (owl), and the game would just freeze, so all that was done got lost.
Regardless of that, I personally loved MM. Specially because of the side quests.
Yes, I love side quests. And in this game, they had great space. Even tough we don't have much use of all the masks, to me, the fun is in the process, not the goal.
I lost count of how many thrills I had throughout the game whenever I've discovered something new in the side quests. It was so much fun learning about all the characters, their routines, their schedules, etc. Specially because they were almost all from OOT. So it was also so much fun remembering them.
Also, the spookiness of this game was beyond amazing, it gave me chills, the soundtrack was something.
It just marked my childhood, both OOT and MM. 🌹
Boy I forgot how the N64 version saved lol
It saved after reseting time? Its groundhogs day, cant reset untill you die or qait
@@everythingpony
The problem is the 3DS reverses it. So, if you played the original, and think using the song of time locks in your progress, too bad, because now it doesn't save your game. This is stupid.
you can save at the owl statues.
Ghorda9
The problem is a returning veteran could get tripped up by that. What was wrong with letting the song of time still save your progress?
@@VGamingJunkieVT I agree. It only happened to me once in the 3 DS version but it still sucked. I think it would be nice if they made the owl statues save like they do in the 3 DS version and save by going back in time. It would also be nice for them to have a N64 mode for the 3 DS version so you have a greater challenge. Oh well. Still a good remake.
In defense for the great bay temple, you don't have to redo the entire part of the dungeon when you accidentally go inside a tunnel, just play the song of soaring and it takes you back the beginning of the dungeon, where you have to redo the easy beginning
I bought Majoras Mask the day after I finished Ocarina Of Time, and I had such high expectations for it considering how good Ocarina is. Didn’t even last a week playing it, I put it down after 3 days.
Wow what a little baby. Its funny because I had more of an incentive to beat this game than oot, the world was more exciting and not to mention the mechanics were fun. I loved wearing masks and the upgrades you can get. Over all it felt more fleshed out than oot. The characters have clear motives, their impending doom only helps to flesh out the town and surrounding areas.
I played oot first yet beat MM first.
Get real. Majora's mask is way ahead of Ocarina. I know because i've beaten both. Unlike you.
@@duckyegg2834 Beaten both myself. 100% on each. Both Phenomenal games. Though Ocarina will always the edge for me.
@@alienalibi2382 calling someone who doesn't like your shitty favorite game a baby is the most baby thing you can do
@@RobertEdwinHouse9 Personally u can not like it but it isnt shitty. If u have trouble with time managemnet work on that, if it takes you more than an hour to beat a single dungeon than just either quit or work on time management, personally i dont care if u like it, just dont call stuff that you have a problem with shit because your no offense kinda bad at it, just accept that u arent good enough with time management, work on it, or just dont play it?
Finally, an 18 minute video on UA-cam where I can connect with someone on a spiritual level the entire time.
same
I didn't play Majora's mask as a kid because it gave me panic attacks, lol. The 3 days winding closer and closer, the music getting creepier and creepier as the 3rd day rolled by...too much for me. But I watched my little brother beat it :) in a way, it made the experience more impactful as a memory. At least the game gave me this great bonding experience with my brother. Most new games, in Zelda or otherwise hit that mark.
Here's the way I see it. I love it for its own reasons. It's got flaws, mainly the waiting around and losing money and consumables. I also didn't enjoy a lot of the dungeons. But the reason I think it's remembered so fondly is because it captured an atmosphere that very few other games had. I think it's most redeeming quality is how well thought out the world is. Tiny things change over time. The whole feel of the game is just so unsettling and creepy, and it keeps that fever dream vibe the whole way through.
It wasn't perfect, but even now, no other game has done something remotely similar. I think it's not remembered and loved for its perfection, but rather for it's atmosphere and writing. Compared to the other Zelda games, I still think it's got the best story and characters compared to the other ones.
I thought i was the only one!! You make awesome points and i feel the same when i was a kid i would blow through ocarina of time but never found myself really wanting to keep playing majoras mask!
Overall I agree with your message that the prime audience for this game is completionists. The sidequests are more fun than the main game and that's the reality of it.
We don't collect the other useless masks just for Fierce Deity, we do it because the quests behind getting those are content with more gripping stories and emotion than anything else available at the time.
The save system in Ocarina of Time was actually incredibly obnoxious. When you saved you would either load at your house in Kakariko, the Temple of Time, or the beginning of your dungeon. That was an obnoxious amount of progress lost and while Majora's Mask 3 day system made you completely start over, at least the owl statues loaded you in to where you actually saved.
There is no punishment for losing in this game. To death, sure, but if you run out of time, the game resets you back in front of the Mask Salesman as if you had played the song. Therefore you didn't need to save your progress constantly, that's your own problem.
Dragoon778 It really isn't that bad in Ocarina of Time, as all of the progress you made is still saved, all the items, heart pieces and story segments, all of those are saved.
If anything I see starting back Link's home or the Temple of Time as just a minor inconvenience. The lost woods near Link's home has two major shortcuts to Goron City (from there you can get to Death Mountain and Kakariko Village) and Zora's River (from there you can get to Zora's domain, and from Zora's Domain you can use a shortcut to get to Lake Hylia).
As for starting from the Temple of Time as an adult...well, between Epona and the warp songs, going through Hyrule is essentially a non-issue.
But the point is, saving your progress in Ocarina of Time is very simple and straightforward. Maybe you can only start from a few locations, but that's increasingly less of an issue as you progress through the game.
Dragoon778 more griping than anything available at the time? What other games were you playing, Quest 64? I feel like you missed out in a lot. Maybe that’s why I didn’t like Majora’s mask.
Good video, Craig. Really, I am a _gigantic_ fan of MM, but I can recognize you were fair with a whole bunch of the flaws, because I'm a special case: I first played it when I was 20 years old on Project64, so I had savestates to work with. That takes out pretty much all the troubles of saving and dungeon railroading in the game. And yes, the inability to communicate and alter events based on the info you already got in previous cycles was kinda dumb and irritated me quite a bit, as was the whole mask switcheroo in several areas.
The only thing I really disagree with is that the time is a bad thing. I like the idea of a living, breathing, busy world far more than a series of scattered events that have to wait for His Majesty Player Character to trigger the switch for them to happen. (Incidentally, I think the saving system in the N64 original was wonky because there is so much stuff happening that the game must keep track of, so a save right at the spot with the technology they had would make it real easy to glitch the scripted events. MM was hella ambitious for the hardware the devs had at their disposal.)
Dinner-fork tongue I played first on emulator in high school
I first beat this game ten years ago, and it blew me away.
Last time I tried to beat it a few years later, though, I realized that if it's so frustrating that I had to look at a walkthrough all throughout my first playthrough and still frustrating even when I know what to do, it's not for me.
I use masks to mark my progress and I enjoy completing Majora's Mask because it's just a bunch of different things to do in which for most, I can do whenever I want.
Saving through time reset is actually pretty cool. I also absolutely love the ink cartridge system in Resident Evil. It makes saving a non trivial thing and an actual part of the game, which makes your decisions matter a lot more.
I have the exact same issues! After 30 hours of playtime, I’ve tried to love it but have no intention of playing it again.
ironically the first time i saw actual gameplay of majoras mask was your zelda sundays, windwaker too
My streams are SO not the best way to get first impressions of any games
Critical Nobody I really love your playthrough in Wind Waker though. :)
a thing with the bottom of the well in ikana is that you can find everything you need down there for the gibdo aside from the beans and blue potion
I remember playing this when I was 14-15 when it first came out. I LOVED OoT and played Zelda before that but I was too young to really ‘get’ it (just me specifically). Time after time I got minutes away from beating the great bay temple then couldn’t do it in time. Of course, even with the song that slowed down time, there was only so much of repeating that dungeon I could take and I quit. So sad.
How dare you criticize one of favorite games as a child for you I have one thing to say
Fair enough man those points are incredibly valid.
Opinions? What's that?
@@tercioperla he's litterly saying that he likes his points the top part was. JOKE
Stop. R/whooosh
Skyward sword was great! The story was phenomenal!
i could be wrong about this since it's been awhile since i played majora but, i think the reason why you lose your arrows and bombs and stuff is incentive to get as much possible done before you reset if that makes sense?
Majora's Mask is literally one of my favorite games of all time and I poured countless hours into playing both the original, and 3d remake on 3DS. I even have a half sleeve tattoo with majoras mask and other zelda related content. With that being said - I completely agree with EVERYTHING you just touched on in this video, but keep in mind this game was created using Ocarina of Time's assets and models, in just a year due to such strict deadlines.. With me, I played the original when I was much younger, and this was at a time where there was really no reason to dislike the game mechanics. I always just took it as it was without a second thought. Now, the 2nd time I played the game, was when I was quite a bit older, and played the version on 3DS, which I immediately realized the changes for the better, but also a couple other things that were different and disappointing to me. For example, swimming as Zora link in N64 didn't consume magic power unless you specifically used the magic attack. In the 3DS remake, the fast swimming forced the magic attack as well. Anyway, I enjoyed the video and your criticism.
Turns out the 3DS remake was actually worse
Majora's Mask has to be my favorite game out of the series, hell just my favorite in general but I can understand that this game isn't for everyone.Ive tried so long to get my best friend into it back when we were in high school but it was a little to much for her (she preferred games more like animal crossing).I agree some of the things you said but personally I love the side quests, some of them were pretty emotional.
I completely agree with the points about changing and acting on future events by confronting characters and stuff. That is a very good idea and should have definitely be incorporated in some kind of remake.
keep going brother ! i really enjoy your game reviews
I haven't played Majora's Mask at all but it's good to know what flaws to expect from a game as beloved as this. It's also kinda rare too since like you said Craig, anybody mentioning anything bad in a Zelda game is shown as idiotic, blasphemy, etc. Anyway amazing video.
Really good vid mate. Found you in the GG comment section. Glad i did.
Zelda sunday and your mentioning it on stream brought me hear good video well constructed.
The best thing about Majora's is one of my favorite parts of all time in Zelda games is when you collect all the mask and get the Fierce Deity mask where you're straight OP in the boss fight at the end of the game! (don't worry I beat it the normal way to a few times! I beat a lot of zelda games when I was like 9-10 years old) which made me very good at games now that I'm older!.
I can't believe you basically said the side quests are a waste of time. The side quests are the BEST part of the game. Everyone who loves Majora's Mask loves it because of the side quests. And you recommend that we skip doing them? I can't take you seriously at this point. I feel like you just went in to the game expecting that you'd hate it and that ruined the experience for you.
The wedding mask side quest is one of the most beautiful side quests ever put into a game. Side quests always made up most of the enjoyment in the Zelda series for me. No idea why someone would suggest skipping them. Maybe the really tedious ones, I guess.
Accept his opinion that's it and please dont be triggered at a point where you ruin the comment section
@@gameriffy2458 I'm not really triggered at all actually. I'm just bewildered that a person can overlook the best aspects of a game and write it off as trash. I'll accept his opinion, but I certainly don't respect it.
@@gameriffy2458 Accept his opinion that's it and please don't be triggered and ruin this thread.
Really @Matt M. has a great point, the side quests are what truly make this game what it is. And many of them are beautiful.
@@jons5756 his wording isn't that great, but criticism is needed, we can't just completely agree with him
Having come out for the same console with similar gameplay and look, it is natural to compare OoT and MM. I hated OoT and think it is vastly overrated, whereas I loved MM. Zelda games are supposed to throw you into a world and let you explore to your heart's content, not have *Hey* some stupid *Hey* fairy telling you *Hey listen* where to *Hey* go every five *Hey listen* seconds.
Is the Hey!! Listen!! your only reason for being one of the OOT hating bandwagon jumpers?
Not to mention how much exposition it throws at you at the start.
@@alienalibi2382 Yeah. My first Zelda was the original. The first screen is three directions and a cave with no indication of where to go. OoT is on way too strict a rail for my taste.
@@oracleoftroy That's a pathetic reason.
Both games are boring and tedious
Bunny and Bomb mask are my mains.
I played it precisely until I realized the 3 day cycle isn't a one-time thing at the beginning of the game. I was so disappointed to find out that the whole game is on a timer because I had just finished Ocarina of Time and loved it, and was anticipating to play the sequel, especially after hearing so many good things about it. The dark motifs, the creepy vibes and characters, I love that! But honestly, because of the time limit, I haven't even made it to a single temple. Simply stopped playing, and won't ever give it another chance.
This is pretty old, but considering Majora's Mask is actually my favorite game of all time, I still think I should comment on this video. First of all, I DO respect your opinion, obviously I can't change it at all. I can still see where people may think the game is not too great. An example would be the three day cycle. I can see how people would think it's repetitive or annoying or whatever, personally I think it's a neat concept that turned out well. Second, I can't help but notice how you said the dungeons weren't great. I think they are all very well designed, even if the Great Bay temple is a little bit annoying for first timers. Third, unless I somehow missed it, I don't think you said a single thing about the music. The music is sooooo fucking good in my opinion.
Again, please don't see this as a hate comment or me trying to start an argument. I just wanted to address some things in this video that I, personally, disagreed with. I'm definitely subscribing and I'm gonna watch more videos tonight. Thanks for reading!
Oh and for the record... I also like Skyward Sword.
I like Guitar: The two main things I love about Skyward sword aside from the Story was the combat and item management! Unlike many others I diden't hade much trouble with the Wii-remote. Once of twise sometthing happened. Shooting a bow in a video game never felt so satisfying.
Yeah!!! The music is perfection! The 3 day time limit makes the calamity of the moon more real. Seems so spooky! Loved a lot!!! 🖤
"The three day format is just a gimmick; since you can just reset to the dawn of the first day at any time, there's no tension." Sixty seconds later: "Why do I lose all of my items when I reset to the dawn of the first day? It adds too much tension to playing the song of time!"
That's a misconstrued version of his argument, he said going back and losing items like arrows was annoying, it was less of 'Oh No! I'll lose all my items' to 'Urrrgg. Well Guess I'm losing my arrows. Again.' So it's not tension. There's no real tension to losing consumables, it's just frustrating.
@@TheCraftySam My personal experience was that tension came from not wanting to lose those items. Even more tension came from trying to make it to certain places at certain times and finish quests before they were reset; I experienced tension due to the three-day cycle. I don't totally disagree with what he's saying, it's valid, but I do think those two instances of which he spoke were in some conflict with each other.
i feel like he was complaining about the inconsistencies in the inventory management.
@@bloodcountess81 - I think it was a bit of both. Like, there seemed to be no point to the annoyance of losing your consumables since the game already committed to allowing you to keep major items.
There is an inconsistency in the rules of time travel, which would be okay if it enhanced the gameplay, but he argues that it does not.
I don't necessarily agree, subjectively, but I find that his argument is logically sound.
He didn't say it adds to the tension he said its annoying
I'd really recommend playing the 3DS remake.
Like you, I really didn't like the N64 version but I heard the 3DS fixed issues and now I appreciate the game.
I like Majora now
Glad to see a video like this as it makes me feel like I'm not alone in disliking Majora's Mask. As a kid I had gotten OOT for N64 at a flea market after playing the demo for it in Super Smash Bros Brawl and it was the only Zelda game that grabbed my attention, then I lost that cart but eventually I got the 3DS remake and I loved it tbh, I actually finished OOT 3D (only zelda game I've completed as I suck at the rest) and Majora's Mask 3D had just come out at the time I wanna say and I wanted that badly because it was next in line. So I got it for my B-day in like 2015 I think and I started playing it and...I really didn't like a lot of the changes, the masks were cool and all but I didn't like the drastic change in style from OOT and like you I couldn't stand the 3 Day time limit so I just kinda stopped playing early on. I have played the N64 original as well but it's still the same issues for me. Still I think it's an ok game but I don't like it and I much prefer OOT. Glad to see that you share my sentiments Craig, and you did a very good job of explaining your viewpoints and issues with the game very clearly, overall it was a great video.
This video may be your magnum opus Craig. Editing and pacing are spot on. Fantastic video!
7:13 " why do i still have all this other shit!" They are key items, also its because of a technical issue in that when you save at an owl statue it quote keeps all that extra data on how many bombs arrows and stuff you have there wasn't enough space to permanently save all your items that's why they all become empty but you still keep the item
Rainbow Dash it’s still a pretty weird. I understand technical limitations but it’s still strange. It personally never bothered me but it is awkward.
I DID NOT KNOW that Owl Statues temporarily save your time...wow crazy lol Good Video!
It’s funny, that’s fine not to like the game. It’s just funny that so many things we all dislike, so many things that we all find annoying, are a much smaller impact on the whole to the rest of us. Again, your opinion is absolutely valid and I won’t even begin to argue with you on it. I agree. All of those things are annoying. And a lot of it was definitely padding out the game. But to many, including myself and your friends it seems, don’t feel like they take enough away from the experience to call it a game we dislike
Majoras Mask is my favorite zelda game, but i completely agree with your points.
Your humour is so funny
I don’t really like majora mask too
The start of the video had me a little confused at first lol. I forgot Majora's popularity recently. I remember back in the day it was popular to hate it...now I feel old as I contemplate the years it took for this games popularity to rise
Great bay temple is actually very easy for me, I'll explain why.
In the water wheel room there's 4 tunnels underwater. 2 are blocked off. 2 are open. Go through those two, once you get the ice arrows, go back to the start and rotate the wheel the other way, then go through the other two tunnels. Pretty simple way to put it for me.
As a Majoras Mask fanboy,I can say that I agree with your complaints and you make a lot of good points in this video.
In my opinion,Majoras’ Mask isn’t underrated or overrated...it’s just rated
It's overrated
Have you seen review websites it's apparently the best game of all time
Majoras mask is definitely in my G.O.A.T gaming list. One of my top 3 favorites in the LoZ series. I think part of the reason for that is because of all the tedious tasks and quests for masks that it entails. I'm one of those "completionists," a title I won't mind toting around; I mention it, because I suppose wanting to complete the bomber book helps keep my interest through the 3 day lull. OoT was never able to keep my attention past collecting the triforce an activating the temple of time. The adult time line and collecting the sages is boring and tedious to me. Though it's most peoples favorite LoZ and I have finished it and respect it, the story line is definitely better than majoras mask, by far. I just find more joy in being able to throw on masks, and use different items. The versatility is what gets me I guess. Though, I will say, even though I appreciate it having more bottles than any other game, I've yet to bother with the Goron and Zora races as an adult. I don't have the time or patience to put myself through that just for two more bottles. I heard that the bottles were one of the things that changed In Majoras Mask 3d, which is unfortunate. Though I find most of the changes in the 3d version awful. I don't agree with the hint door, I don't like the bank being moved, and not replaced with anything.. There's quite a few things that stopped me from wanting to experience the handheld version. Mainly that it's been simplified, and made easier for those who couldn't deal with completing all the original tasks and story lines, and more than likely, the next generation, who wouldn't have any experience with a game that gets frustrating. Where after you beat a temple, you start over, lose everything, so you can fly back, to beat the exact same temple entirely again, to complete more tasks afterward, so you can earn more abilities, and then start over again. Which is lame at times, sure, but even though it could mean wasting 3 days on a quests, and needing to start over, accomplishing nothing; but it also means that if you don't get around to everything you'd planned that run, then you have infinite times to restart and accomplish everything. Which is, to me, less stressful, unless it's a rock or beaver race; which, again, for some reason, is the worst part of the game to me. Those last 2 bottles, aren't even needed. Though I'm sure the next time I play that game I'll still have to get them for my inventory.. Also, screw trading all the masks for that one at the end. Those moon children are spoiled AF.
I agree with most things you said, except a few:
- I actually liked the save system here more than in oot, because in oot whenever I would play the game again after saving somewhere, I would be at Link's house or at the temple of time, so I would have to walk all the way to where I was when I saved! Sometimes it was far far away, and walking all the way there was terrible. At least in MM there are many owl statues, so I can come back to play exactly where I left it.
- I actually used the Sheik Mask (forgot the name) a lot to hear what the statues had to say to me
Dude!!! You can play warp songs in OOT! How the hell can you miss that?!?
@@samuelthompsan5961 Yeah, the warpsongs...that one can literally only use once one can enter the dungeons. And where two are kinda not great in their placement...and where the Zora domain can only be shortcutted via a close warp as a child.
Good review looking forward to your next video, I honestly haven't play the original Majoras Mask or haven't finished the 3ds version whoops on my part. Also PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA!
Well, your criticisms are well noted and I hear where you're coming from. I myself found that it was harder to play through, but I did so more for the story. That, and playing as a good guy, you want to help people. So while a lot of aspects of the game were hard to enjoy, (ie, not figuring out a dungeon quick enough, so you have to go back and start the whole thing over again -.- ) the story was wonderful, and even if many of the masks were useless for a lot of things, they were still cool little tokens to remind you that you helped someone. That's just my opinion, though.
Honestly, the points you've made are pretty understandable. I've never played it, but I've seen some playthroughs. I can imagine actually playing the game would be every bit of tedious as you describe.
it isnt
No, he's pointing out a few flaws. Anything can seem bad if you use this approach. Its like pointing out how small Mario 64 is, or saying it has plenty of bad hitboxes or is unfair.
it's not as tedious as he makes it sound, not at all.
trust me play the game first before judging it
No it isn't. He just pointed out maybe 2 or 3 valid points that were fixed in the 3DS remake while the rest can be easily ignored. If you like Zelda games then you should definitely try this one out for yourself.
I first played majora's mask on my 3ds. I got all but like 4 of the masks and the side quests were so fun. The only problem is that with the exception of the first deku dungeon, the other 3 were so confusing and hard. I had to use a guide for 2 of them. On the stone tower temple, I even got stuck and didnt know what to do so I eventually got rid of the game. It had an amazing world and great characters but the 4 main dungeons were just flat out bad.
niicee! a review of my favourite game, from my favourite reviewer on my brithday of all days
Wow, this was a very great video! As I was scrolling through some Game Grumps comments, I noticed your post. I saw the link to this exact video. Normally I would ignore and continue scrolling, but I decided to check it out. And boy, am I glad I did! Honestly, the amount of effort you put into making this video deserves way more attention than it currently has. I enjoyed watching how certain effects were made, and the way the topic was presented was superb. Keep this up, and you’ll be famous in no time at all! Enjoy your new sub!
I refuse to play and finish Majora’s Mask. IT IS NOT A ZELDA GAME. It’s an annoying game. I played it once on the N64 and I was so confused on what to do. Once I realized I have to restart and time travel, I was turned off by it and never touched it again.
A few things I would point out about you "future knowledge" point are, first there are points where you can use your knowledge to influence a few events (bombers secret, Loto, and such). Second the event you pointed out (The Lovers) would make no sense if they let you skip the middle part, if you pay attention in the the middle part Anju is contemplating leaving town over waiting for her lover, and only when you bring her his letter dose she make the choice to forgo her own safety to wait for him. Also Kafie doesn't trust many people at the start of the 3 days (Only the mail man and the shop owner), it's only when the mailman gives him Anjues letter, letting him know she trusts you, that he extends his own trust to you as well. Yes they could cut some of the middle out, but the story is what people like about the quests.
I'm in deep love with Majora's Mask and I enjoyed your video. It encourages discussion about a fun game :)
I'm actually surprised at how beloved Majora's Mask is, I loved it since I was young and figured it was a niche thing like Metroid Prime 2. The darker and edgier black sheep compared to its predecessor that started 3D for the series.
I don't see how people think the 3 day system isn't enough, just use the Song of Inverted Time at the start and you get a surprisingly generous amount of time.
I disagree with some of your points but overall I enjoyed the video. I was appalled after watching my first video of yours, only to scroll down and see less than 4K subscribers. You have the production and talent of something so much bigger, I truly hope it works out for your channel as most people on this platform in the same medium are just garbage. Sorry to be blunt, but they are. You aren't, keep it up.
On topic, MM (technically MM3D as the 3DS remakes of the N64 titles are by far superior, even objectively speaking) is my second favorite Zelda title with OoT3D following it in 3rd with Windwaker HD ahead of the pack in 1st. ALttP is 4th, BotW is 5th. I love most of the Zelda titles, with Skyward Sword and the multiplayer themed link-up titles being the only ones I dislike. I love MM, it has such a distinct feel and world that I adore. I love the mask system. I love the dungeons, although I find MM far too short overall compared to OoT but the increased length of the dungeons was something I enjoyed. The only thing I really dislike about MM is how it shoehorns you into kid Link the entire time. I missed adult Link after OoT, kid Link just sucks. Windwaker is the only title where playing as kid Link didn't bother me, why I do not know. I just don't like playing as kids, I guess.
I think in MM3D the song of double time or SOMETHING gave you the option to just speed up time as opposed to skipping days, and if that is the case I can see why I didn't find it nearly as annoying as MM3D is FAR more fresh in my mind than the original as I haven't played the original since like 2005. It seems from watching this that the N64 version has not aged very well, which makes me all the more happy I own both the MM and OoT 3D remakes and will be sticking with them exclusively for any future repeat playthroughs.
Even so, I found myself stopping the video when you said "Which masks do you actually use?" and recalling the uses of every single one, remembering frequent uses for at least 1/2 of them. Even the more niche masks have a purpose, so I don't really feel that criticism is valid, though the rest I can understand even if I don't agree. How did you not use the Stone mask? I find playing without it so fucking annoying. It makes running through the Termina field area and a lot of other places way less irritating.
The Don Gero (Frog) mask is essential for getting heart pieces and such, as are a few others. The Gibdo mask makes Gibdo and ReDead enemies far easier to deal with. The bomb mask is just fun. I could keep going, there are a few masks with very niche one time uses but most of the masks I always find myself using. The Giant Mask only has one use but god is that one use fun, and the Fierce Diety Mask makes the final boss fight into an absolute badass power fantasy. I loved the masks, it's like THE thing above all others that makes me love MM. Every time I play OoT now, I find myself missing masks.
Everyone hates the fish, I don't know why. I never had a hard time with that boss fight, it's not an amazing boss fight sure, but overall I found the puzzles in the temple to be fun if a little bit tedious at times and the boss fight itself to be more than passable. I really don't get why people hate it so much.
Writing this out, I now realize that the most likely reason so many people dislike MM is that it isn't as action focused as other games, especially OoT. MM has a far bigger focus on puzzle solving, collecting shit, finding all the secret unlocks and the story/lore of the world itself when compared to OoT. This is what made me love it, though I could see why many hate it. I had so many friends complete the game with the bare minimum masks, bottles and heart containers while still sporting the default sword and I never understood it, but I guess the optional stuff just doesn't appeal to everyone. It did to me, which is why I love it and it's also why I REALLY love WW.
Definitely cracked a smile at 7:00 when the Banjo&Kazooie music started playing.
Lol that beginning was like a typical UA-cam coming out story! Very funny!
I just want to say that your thumbnail makes it seem like you’re about to talk about “why I don’t like critical nobody”
Yeah the text color gives you that impression at a glance.
@@0hkie My original thumbnail didn't have the game title under the text so it did kinda look weird. I updated it soon after to something more clear
Having played both versions, I can attest that the 3ds version is generally a big improvement... EXCEPT THEY MADE THAT FISH FUCKER EVEN MORE IRRITATING TO DEAL WITH!
I hate the 3ds version. I loved the bosses in the original except the fish fucker. Because you could beat them with a bunch of different strategies. 3ds made them linear. Also they fucked the zora mask up.
One time I got all the way to just having to unlock the boss door on the stone tower in Majoras mask. Then my cousin deleted my entire save because he wanted to play for about 10 minutes. I did have another character which I haven’t even opened up the forest temple yet. That was a fun day...
When Majora's Mask came out it was actually quite polarizing. A lot of people who loved all the Zelda games over the year absolutely hated Majora's Mask, but some people love it. For me, I hate it.
As someone that grew up without internet and with only 4 games on the N64, Majora's Mask being one of them, I can safely say there are a lot of things objectively wrong with this game, all which you did mention in this video. I found out after going through the whole game again just a few months ago that Majora's Mask is best enjoyed on a second playthrough when you know what has to be done and when so you can schedule yourself and go on through with it, reaching maximum efficiency.
Then again, it shouldn't be like that.
What I like about this game is both the story and atmosphere, no other Zelda game to this day (15/6/21) has even come close to it with the exception of maybe Twilight Princess. Still, a dark Zelda game like Majora's Mask done today could potentially be the second best Zelda game ever (No one is beating Ocarina as the best)
8:04 Tedious quest line? That’s probably the best side quest in all of Zelda! I know this is your opinion but...😔
The Final and the first time you do is probably pretty good, but this sidequest is basically waiting for the special event
I know your pain everything you address I felt the same way but 2 things are what held me to continue playing 1. The masks that made you change was a big plus and super fun to play 2. I reaaaaaaalllly wanted to beat the game and truthfully say I beat the game
You literally summed up all of my issues with this game
I'm happy somebody finally said it
I adore BOTW, Wind Waker, and OoT and all three are in my top 5 games of all time, but playing through this one is an absolutely frustrating endless nightmare. Also coming from a 3DS player: the newest frustration added is the camera that seemingly batles you for control every time you're in combat
Cody Victor Lucas Agree.
After I played OoT on the 3DS I thought MsM would be great too.
But nope.
For some reason after like 5h I gave up.
It‘s just a frustrating game.
And Im not one of those who like to look into a strategy guide every 5 min.
Botw weapons suck
And is too short for such a huge map.
Omg i hate hearing that dumb theory, "link is dead" no hes not.
I never cared about it because of how basic it is lol
@@Charcoaledmarmalade literally the most idiotic theory out there
I love Majora's Mask (2nd favorite Zelda game for me), but I agree with most of the points you mentioned. Reaching the Stone Tower Temple is a pain in the ass, Gyorg sucks big time, being able to only use most masks once or twice is kinda lame when that's the whole premise, and it does have its tedious moments where you have to repeat everything over and over again (the Kafei side quest being the most notorious). I completely agree with those points, I love the game but it is very flawed and, as you mentioned, a product of N64 limitations.
I’m having a hard time with it. Picked it up on the collection disc for GameCube
Why do people hate skyward sword again?
Evilotakuall945 because people expected a change in formula, like what we got with BOTW, and that wasn’t the case. Plus motion controls, Fi (love fi though) and the linear gameplay.
In my case though, it’s one of my favourite Zelda games, dare I say it is my number 1 favourite. Everything else it brings to the table such as the atmosphere, music, characters, relationship between Zelda and Link and just general design of the whole world is enough to elevate it to a much higher ranking in my books.
Forresca same bro
Motions Controls, Fi.
Personally, I thought the motion controls were pretty engaging, especially for the sword. This is what Twilight Princess wasn't, something that actually justified the Wii-Mote. Twilight Princess had good aiming for the bow and the like but just waggling it for the sword was unnecessary.
there's a lot of annoying aspects of it, fighting bosses three times and motion controls. despite that, its actually my favorite zelda😮
tbh, even the zelda community can be toxic. if someone doesn't like majoras mask, that is really understandable. i don't like it either, even though i love the story, but gameplay wise, it's ass
I feel like MM is definitely an "either you like it or you don't" game, because of the mechanics. Either you love the time mechanic or you don't. Either you love the dungeons or you don't. Both sides have fait arguments, and at the end of the day, its purely personal preference of how you like your Zelda games or just games in general to be. Some people love the time mechanic because they love the tension and stress it brings, and others hate it for the exact same reason. It all comes down to you, and I feel like people shouldn't get up in arms cause someone dared have a different opinion about a video game
soooo..... since there is now a massive quarantine going on, does this mean you have nothing else to do and will revisit the 3ds version of majoras mask?
The clock pretty much ruined the game for me.
Great video btw!
Moon is about to end existence on earth as we know it
Link- “It’s rewind time”
Majoras mask is my second fav Zelda game behind twilight (tho it’s quite close). Even tho I lvoe the game I HATE the save system. I’m finishing up ocarina of time and getting ready to play through majoras mask soon so these videos have helped me decide which version I’ll play this time!
I've loved this game since it came out for all of the reasons why you hated it. As an 11 year old, back in 2000, there were very few games (none that I had access to) that had even a fraction of MM's focus on side quests and that gave NPCs their own backstories & quests. I was happy to collect all of the masks, & even replayed the couple's mask for fun bc it's such an iconic love story.
Majoras Mask scared me as a child, even the intro title screen where majoras mask is spinnimg slowly, and the music...what an atmospheric masterpiece. The wallmasters that dropped from the ceilings scared me so bad in OOT when i got to the forest temple as adult link!