Testing the Burton Step Ons In Deep Snow
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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With the amount of forward lean you have, you should move the foot bed forward one notch, and always put your pants in the heel clip to make sure every time you step in you get both clicks on your heel, because with one click they feel a little loose, but with both clicks they feel rock solid and crazy responsive (my own experience with photon boots, so it could be the boots)
Wanted to comment the same. These are some super responsive bindings, and I noticed as well he just went for 1 click - the second click gives you 0 play between boot and binding.
I agree. I actually rock a K2 excavator with Step Ons and it's crazy responsive and great for carving with full inclination. That second click down makes all the difference. (Also have photons). I crank the step on high backs up all the way, which also helps
Knapton had the same issue when he cranked the forward lean. Personally I like them better at a low F2 lean and footbed in the correct size position than F3 with footbed moved up one size.
I also don't experience any looseness with the 2 clics that I always go with. I have the photon boots and they also give the tension on the mid starp area with the boa. Would not ever go back to the traditional bindings, somehow i like the control way better with the step on and the way i would describe it that it feels much more skateboardy if that makes sense but i personally love it!
Hope Kevin sees your comment and give stepon another try
Love the step ons. Six seasons and by far the most responsive binding I’ve ever ridden. Instant response.
I’ve used photon, rulers, and ions.
Only way to get loose feel with any of those boots is to not snug up your boots.
Sounds like a boot issue u are having or maybe your high back lean isn’t letting u get the duel click. U are for sure having a issue.
The step ons are the opposite of your final response at the end. More responsive than a strap binding. For some they are too responsive. If you swing through summit this year we can look yours over compared to all my sets and get them dialed in and figure out what’s going on with yours. U can try my different boots too. (Same size).
Agree after a few seasons with them
This is also my thoughts. If anything too responsive initially until you get used to them
I get what your saying but I feel like they are intended for the average level rider who is looking for connivance. I haven ridden union bindings most of my career( ride twinpig lib orca cabita D.O.A) I got a pair of step ons a couple years ago tried them on all my boards . I was riding the Addias Samba laced boots and had the same opinion as in the video having the board being connected to your boot ( connected on the sides ) instead of the strap which connects from the side and the top makes the step ons less stable. I got lasso pro boa boots and this fixed it a little bit. I got a lot of the responsiveness that you are talking about they are just limited do to how much they rely on the stiffness of your boot. They are also not great in anyone area park/ all mountain / free ride I feel like they are a good boot for an average rider trying to get around the mountain as easy as possible.
@@michaeldonopria4247 weird. I feel the opposite as well as so many others I have met with them. Each their own. Sounds like maybe u had defective set up though.
I'm a snowboard instructor who rocks the same set up as you (K2 Excavator + Burton Step ons - regular and genesis) and feel like Step ons actually help me get more performance out of that board than some of my other bindings. It sounds like something went wrong with your gear and that's why you lost performance. It's likely that your boot wasn't actually sized properly if it's moving around in your boot like that and/or not clicking in properly on the heel to really lock yourself into the board. Make sure you get that second click when you step into the binding. I find that the step ons shine with dynamic turning as the anchor points are closer to the board, enabling quicker tilt (with highback's up) and more torsional flex when turning dynamically. I'd say give them another shot and make sure you're booted in and clipped in properly.
The reason you felt “loose” in the beginning is because you’re using a flexible boot. If you go up to the proton boot you’ll find the step ons are in fact more responsive than traditional bindings due to the stiffness of the boot directly influencing your board.
Another good point ☝️
Boot stiffness becomes a bigger factor but getting two clicks is key for the expected high responsive if the StepON setup.
I don't find looser boots notably less responsive though, they just hurt my feet if I ride too aggressively and the Boa can pop loose. I had the photons and they were too soft for my riding style. I rode the Ions for a couple years and now am on the DC Judge just for the overall comfort, despite being softer than the Ions.
@@dizgotti1355 He is only one click in and not 2 click in because of too much forward lean or move the toe ramp out one notch
Let's gooooo
Definitely need a boot with ankle locking support, if not, your foot will be pretty loose inside
Been riding the Step-Ons for 5 years, after 10 years of riding strap bindings, and I have a totally different experience….responsiveness and control is just awesome (that was also the feedback of TJ btw, when he tested them again last season)
100% agree. The boots that include the snugger strap are the way to go, it makes a huge difference in heel hold and overall responsiveness. This season I demoed five step-on boots: the DC Judge and Control, the Nitro TLS, and the Burton Swath and Photon. The Photon was the clear winner, mostly because of that strap IMO.
@@WubLyfe that strap is a gimmick imo; maybe useful if you don't like to tighten your boots.
Same and agreed. Especially the X version. Love mine.
@@dizgotti1355 definitely not a gimmick. That strap enables you to lock your heel into the back of the boot and aids in the responsiveness of the setup by doing so.
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It sounds like you aren't getting the two clicks when you step on. That is a common problem when set up with a lot of forward lean. Moving the footbed forward one notch should solve that issue.
Yeah one click they are a little loose but you’re still secure. Two clicks and it feels like my boot is welded to the binding much more securely than straps with crazy responsiveness.
With the new lineup theres no more clicking, solid bindings
Yes, I think this is the issue. I've noticed at 7:36-7:40 the extra movement of back leg boot in the binding. It should not be like that. This happens when the boot got only one click at the heel. The reasons cloud be: toe cushion is not set up properly; the pants were not fixed by the clip and stuck somewhere in-between; extra snow on the outsole; paying not enough attention for second click.
@@arvinstz you're referring to the clicking noise they'd make when making turns. That noise has been fixed in the latest gen. The clicking noise we're referring to is when you step on, the heel hook clicks into the highback connector at two different levels. The first click is secure but super loose, the second click locks you in with no wiggle room at all. Both are safe and secure, but the second click is like having your boot welded to the binding.
Yep, it's the most responsive setup ever if you click in properly. Make sure to hear that second click. to your point Kev, in deep snow it can be tough to get that second click reliably. I've been riding them for a few years and I prefer not to use them on powder days.
If you have some snow underfoot it'll be hard to get the second click. If it clicks while you're riding you'll notice the change in response but it can throw you off your game.
I find the Step On’s amazing and really can’t find anything wrong with them. I know how to carve controlled at moderate and fast speeds. I crash, jump shit, ride fakie in all conditions and often with plenty of fresh snow. I like responsive boot/binding set ups. If you get this system proper boot fit is key. Dual BOA, upgrade the foot bed and they are nice and responsive. I don’t even use the models with an ankle strap. Burton, DC and Nitro now all make boots for them. Manage the snow in your binding just like you would strap bindings. I’ll never go back and honestly can’t believe it’s taken this long. Most people don’t even ride hard or fast enough to push any limit these “ might “ have including this reviewer. I also love getting fresh lines while Skiers and Snowboarders strap in and adjust their buckles n stuff…Keep strapping in “ Tiger “.
0:30 did u get both clicks? They should be more responsive... Probably didnt get both clicks csuse u put max forward lean...
Sounds you aren't getting that second click in the back when you step on. I find the response with the steps on is instant, I've got the Photon boots. But with all the pow you're probably not getting the 2nd click in as you're riding because of the snow filling up under your boot, once you get that second click it should feel a heap better.
I love my Step Ons!!
Having said that, I'm also a 40 year old rider who learned to board about 7 years ago. I also only ride groomers and between some trees. My husband is a skier, so having the ease of just clicking in and going is really nice.
I do understand the "loose" feeling, but I suppose I am used to it now.
I'd say for the casual boarder, Step Ons are perfect! For the rider who wants to hit the park and more technical terrain, traditional bindings might be better.
Edit...my Step Ons are also from 2020, and I think the newer version is a lot more secure.
Like most of the other comments.. You're on the wrong step-ons.
Been riding these and just recently upgraded to the new version of Genesis binding.
The proton boots have the strap to pin your foot down and make them feel more responsive than traditional bindings.
I don't know if you are going to read this but I highly recommend getting Burton Photon Boots or higher model with ankle strap which will solve your majority of the issues as the ankle strap can actually control how controlled you want your riding and stiffness of the boots to be with the ankle tension and FLEX. because in my opinion you are an advanced plus rider and is using the softest boot in the line with no ankle tension means 50% control on your skills set.
But the binding itself is way more stiffer and responsive then strap bindings as once you are clicked in the front clips there is no space between the boot and base plate and also are connected with solid material which is nylon composite clips rather then normal straps which are rubber
NOTE = it is a real struggle to get a second click even after jumping on the edge it takes 2 tries at least haha
Been riding step ons for two years. Like the quick get in and out feature because I ride with a lot of skiers. I’m 70 years old, so I don’t ride as hard as most of you. I like them. The only problem I had is when I fall off trail on steep hill I have trouble releasing my foot from the bindings. Thank you for your review.
There is a way to swap the levers so they are on the inside of the bindings, might make it easier to reach.
I’ve had Step Ons 4 years now and there amazing. I have 3 sets and two sets of boots. I definitely don’t have a “loose” feeling or that there’s a space between the boot and binding. When I first used step ons the feeling was INSTANT RESPONSE. INSTANT CARVE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE EDGE TO EDGE. My board felt like and entirely new board I felt glued to the board in a way I never felt with bindings. What changes the feelings with step ons is the boot. Where in the past different bindings had different feels with step ons it’s all about the boot. Some are soft like swaths which give you the playful surfy feeling and some like the ions are super stiff. You want to make sure your boots are tight since it’s all about the boot. If it feels loose it’s not the binding it’s the boot crank that sucker down or maybe you have a soft boot or possibly you weren’t on the second click on the binding. There’s two clicks one playful the second your more locked in. The only negative to step ons I sometimes feel too glued specifically when I’m trying to butter and it throws my buttering off. Other then that I love them. I think regular bindings had a looser feel. So far everyone I know that got ‘em hasn’t gone back. I’ve considered a set of regular bindings for park but other than the park I can’t imagine why someone would want regular bings compared to the step ons. Convenience is king.
As several people commented you didn't get the two clicks or the loose issue is with the boots, I've been riding Stepons and Genesis strapped, Stepons are definitely much more responsive!
you get how that's physically impossible right ? A step on will NEVER be more responsive just because of the way its made
@@AAAAAAndreyAndreev You are a lot more locked in with the stepons, have a look at this comparison: ua-cam.com/video/aWpDkpQn-hU/v-deo.html
@user-bt4xf5gc5t That's actually the opposite of how it works. With the step ons you are directly connected to the frame of the binding, so the power transmission is much more direct. Where as in a traditional binding you apply force to the straps which in turn apply force to the frame of the binding. Just by that alone, the step ons will be more responsive when compared side to side( against a traditional binding and boot combo of the same flex).
I really don`t like you give us statement like that at the end after just after one day of riding. You choose lace boots that I belive are the less stiff than for example ION
Yeah the biggest problem I had one of the days when I was snow boarding with them was then only clicking once in felt really loose and I fixed it with adjusting the forward lean back a little and also make sure the boot slide adjustment is in the right spot for your boots. Besides that I've been loving them since. Helped me learn a lot faster because I've always was slow at strapping in and felt like I was doing that more than boarding at some points.
Also I would like to see u demo different boots and fix the one click problem. Because I think you'll like them alot better
Pff haha well then learn to strap first if ur more strapin than ridin
@@gg12123 well don't even need to strap in now literally off the lift and go, also for me atleast struggling to strap in was more with having gloves on. Personally use whatever u want, I just like being able to get in and out pretty fast without a sweat especially falling in tree line pow.
2:30… my fave part about riding step ons haha
You need to make sure your getting 2 clicks on the heel clear when you lock in kev, im only hearing one so that may be why they feel so loose under feet. Also make sure your pants are in the boot clip too
The stepons are extremely responsive. I've noticed at 7:36-7:40 the extra movement of back leg boot in the binding. It should not be like that. This happens when the boot gets only one click at the heel. The reasons cloud be: toe cushion is not set up properly; the pants were not fixed by the clip and stuck somewhere in-between; extra snow on the outsole; paying not enough attention for second click. It is also possible the combination of these boots and bindings adds to the loose filling.
As a step on user for many years, I believe that step on have an unstoppable momentum with more and more new snowboarders taking it up, especially the younger generation. It really is the most simple step in solution. If burton continues improving it and more boot companies come to the party, it will become mainstream.
The number of riders I have seen on the mountain this year has doubled from last year. They are definitely catching on.
I wonder if most of the problem is the Kendo boots. I just started using Step Ons this year, and I like to really crank down the ankle boa strap on the Photon boots. I don't have your experience, but I think you might see a difference if you change the boots.
Weirdly, this is the opposite me (and most reviewers) have found. The edge to edge responsiveness on step ons are way higher than any other binding I’ve ridden.
I would recommend you try another pair of boots (Burton photons for example. They do rentals at the stores). The boots you’re riding might have too much flex.
For me I actually lost my balance on my first turn with them (been riding decades) cause it was so responsive. So I definitely think you’re running into an issue.
ALWAYS do a little bunny hop before starting your run to make sure your heel is fully locked in. That's a habit I've developed to make sure I get a consistent ride. Also, I believe the kendo boot is on the softer flex side of the step on boot range. That's likely playing into your loose feeling. The ankle articulates, and I think that's causing instability. I have tried the photons and they feel very secure, especially with the strap over the ankle. I currently use the DC control step on boots and they are very stiff, although the BOA system doesn't seem to hold consistent tension and I find myself having to readjust them after every few runs to keep them tight.
Bunny hop, your not on a bike man!!!
@marc brown what would you call a low flat hop that just serves to lock the heels into the bindings?
I heard that Step On are actually more responsive than traditional bindings, maybe its your boots. Those burton ones with extra buckle were designed for a reason.
They are. 1000%.
If u want them lose u gotta loosen your boot feel.
My experience has been that they are far more responsive, which I prefer.
3rd season on my Step Ons and I one of the biggest things I loved about them were how much MORE responsive they were. In fact, its one of the only consistent criticisms of Step Ons, which is why this year Burton came out with a softer boot and flex binding option. My guess is your boots not being moulded and properly tightened probably caused a ton of play in the setup.
I love em! The latency response is something I don’t have an issue with but I’m not as good a snowboarder as you.
Would’ve loved to see you try to achieve the second click without just reviewing it half in the binding, but then again that’s part of some people’s experience so thank you for your insight brother 🙌🏼
I wear 9-9.5 but my boots are 10. No toe discomfort ;-) Also, one thing that does throw me off time to time is the lack of ankle strap (I have the Ritual which does not have the strap on the boots) which you don't have either so it will feel drastically different. It does feel like my foot is going to come off hahaha. Lack of the ankle strap is compensated by more responsiveness of the foot movement and I see how you feel like your foot is doing more work and although I never really thought of it that way, you're probably right! I do have to reiterate what other folks are saying about the second click. Between your forward lean and also stepping on the deep POW, you're probably not getting the second click in, which makes it feel looser. Overall as an intermediate snowboarder and an older one who hates the whole process of strapping in, I LOVE my StepOns. After a few years on StepOns, though, (and understanding the limitations of StepOns a bit better now) I do have my eyes set on the Supermatics. Feel like it would be the best of both worlds! I will be in Whistler next week and looking forward to it!
I'm in my 2nd season of step ons, coming from an early 2000's Burton Custom binding, they feel more secure and responsive. I ride the Swath BOAs though, and I feel like there's very little movement/play overall. The heel lock does have 2 levels of locking, if you're not all the way down they can definitely feel loose.
I just ordered the Swath. How do you like it? I’m a somewhat newer rider so I chose Swath over the Ions as those were recommended for advanced only. What do you think of them?
@@Davidsworldtravels I'm happy with them. I found them to be very warm, super light, and overall comfortable with no hot spots.
Kev wind back the foward lean back to zero and make sure it clicks in 2 clicks and adjust your footbed to boot size
I have both step ons and regular ladder bindings. I will say that there is still a little bit more play in the connection than the ladder bindings but I actually think it’s worth it. Here’s the things I would recommend to get the best step on experience.
1. First of all I would not recommend lace up boots EVER with step ons because you want the front of your boot to be tight and sturdy because there is no strap there. BOA all day with step ons. Burton makes double BOA boots that come in two different levels of sturdiness to mitigate that no strap feeling.
2. There are three attachment points per boot so you just listen for each click and wiggle around after you step on to make sure you’re in. You don’t really have to question if you’re in because you can see the front two connections and as long as you feel and hear the heel side connection you should be in.
3. I would not recommend step on bindings for deep powder days where you intend to ride only powder. They are step on bindings after all and if you don’t have a solid surface to step on when you put them on it kind of defeats the point and they are maybe even less convenient than ladder straps.
4. There are a few different tiers of Burton step on bindings and the higher you get the lighter the binding will be and the better the cushioning will be. The step on bindings are not nearly as cushiony as my ladder strap bindings so I would recommend buying the higher tier boots and maybe even wearing some more padded socks since you’re talking about your feet hurting.
5. Take the time to adjust every little thing with your boots and bindings to make sure they work before you take them out on the mountain so you don’t have a bad day. The foot bed is adjustable as well as a few other things about the set up such as the perfect boot size and making sure it matches with the binding size.
They are a relatively complicated thing to get perfectly set up but I think once you get the perfect set up they work really well. Overall I think they’re good and I think that in the future of snowboarding there will be a more perfect way to connect to the board than having to sit there and strap yourself up while your skier friends wait on you.
Riding Step Ons since three years. For me and everyone else i talked to they feel very direct and super responsive. For some they are even too responsive. I guess you can try the footbed thing already suggested in the comments. Maybe it is also the boots. Burton's higher end models have a strap over the ankle that reduce heel lift and give you that strapped in feeling. Your boots are lacking these.
I think you would have a different experience with the Photons or Ions. While at lace up is nice, it probably is a bit too soft for a step on binding. You should have increased response with the step on’s, some would say too much. The only flex I get is in the base plate with the Photon’s. Definitely make sure that you’re getting the second click as others have mentioned, or it feels really wobbly and unstable.
Thanks for the feedback! Will give them another shot!
I Like this style of video was very chill and relaxed I love it with no music playing and was just some pow riding was very refreshing keep up the good work 👍
I had a great experience with step ons which is why I bought a pair, but I really think stiffer boots are better with step ons. Like photons or ions. I got some new ions that I'm going to try out in a few days. I hear that the strap across the boot works wonders and adds additional stiffness in front of your ankle that you would typically get from a strap binding. You really need a boot that's going to lock your foot in, but if you like laces or softer boots then I guess you're sol...
I ordered the Swath bc they looked much lighter and easier to use. Am I going to have problems and should have gone w the Ions instead?
@@Davidsworldtravels I don't think you'll have "problems", but if you gravitate towards stiffer boots and more control based on your riding style then I would go for ions or photons where they added an ankle piece to the boot that specifically address additional stiffness on the toe side.
However in general I think most people will be fine as long as they get properly fitted/sized boot. If you're used to wearing loose boots and then expect to get extra tightness from ratcheting down straps then you'll definitely have problems.
@@oolong2 my boots are usually extremely tight. After some experience the next pair will definitely be the Ions. I only didn’t get them bc they were labeled as expert and extremely stiff. The Swath are supposed to be much more beginner friendly and comfortable. But I’m sure w Step On version will still be quite stiff.
As others have mentioned, two clicks on the heel. Heel, toe, toe, ollie - that gets you the extra degree of certainty that you're in hard.
I recommend the photon boots. They have a an ankle strap which gives the feel of strap bindings. You can clamp the boot around your foot as tight as you want. If you don’t like boa coilers that might be a deal breaker but I love them. I highly recommend the photon and step on combination.
That pow looks great!! I have the Step On´s and Burton Ruler boots, and they are a very convenient and a great comfy package!
i just started learning snowboarding and these step ons are so convenient for beginners like me.
I got step ons 3 years ago because I was teaching my son to snowboard so I was in and out of the board a lot. I stuck with them and have enjoyed the convenience but they are not "everything". I liked the feedback and the riding / conditions look sick!
I came here to get a review of the Burton step ons, and wound up watching it a second time on mute just for the scenery. Nice 🤙🏼
Kevin - As mentioned by many, dial back the highback lean and make sure you're getting 2 clicks on the heel latch
Hi, is it totally not possible with F3? I ride F3 and looking to prob get a pair but if it's max F2, that might be a problem
@@dancedricarevalo5326 Again, the highback really only shapes the position of your lower leg. If your natural stance is knees bent with lower leg sticking forward then it may be an issue. The highback has zero effect on the heel-to-toe response...
I use the burton ions and have the completely different feeling, maybe try a different boot set up and make sure you get the 2nd click on the heel. They feel rock solid and boots feel really connected to the board. to get the tight feeling use the photon or ions and they have that strap to get you that feeling.
Oh that's interesting! I've seen reviews saying it's stiffer than traditional ones.. 🧐 maybe you need to adjust your setup!? Great video. It'd be amazing to see your review on the Nidecker supermatic Thanks kev 😊
I think the reason you felt loose in the boot is because you went a size up and the boot lacing system is different than the photons. If you want a more locked in feeling, you can get a different boot. I wear a size eleven and I went down half a size. heat molded them to my foot and it fits like a glove. Step ons in my experience give you a fully locked in ride with great responsiveness
If you are looking for that locked in feeling I’d say try the ions or even the photons with the snugger strap
Try doing the video again and making sure you're using the tech properly
I’ll give them another go.
It's nice to see a review that's not directly from burton or sponsored by burton. I only ever see those on Instagram or wherever and the suspiciously similar comments only say how perfect the bindings are
I honestly think the future of step ons are going to be for split boarding setups. I think there is a lot of opportunity there and I'm sure Burton already knows this.
You need to try the boots with the snugger strap attached to the boot to make it feel more like a traditional binding.
Hey Kev,
Been riding step-ons for 4years now. I am in my late 30s and they are perfect for someone like me who has bad back :) Before step-ons i had to limit my riding to 2-3times a month because back pains from crouching down to strap. I use the "frankenbinding" style as in my front foot has still regular binding. It just works! :) Can just click in my back foot after lift and keep up with skier friend.
Ion + step on x is great. I ride 100 days a season and it takes 2 pairs of Ions per season cuz they get too soft to use after 50 days. I own all models of step on binds, including the Mine EST version. TBH, I'd never go back. It's the BEST.
You should of got the ion’s the kendo’s are medium flex. I just bought the kendo’s with the half carbon X’s which is more responsive but the kendo’s aren’t as stiff as my vans infused both laces.
I have heard because of the lock points it does create pressure on the toes. I personally haven't experienced this.
Glad you have the same conclusions I had with step-ins. Straps for life!
What an amazing view up there...
I think the problem is your boots. I tried them with burton photon and couldn’t tell the difference with the strap ons. I didn’t notice much difference between 1 click or 2 clicks. For the first few days I thought I was on clicks and that’s why they r so responsive but discovered that I was on 1 click 😅
I ride Photons with Genesis on my Jones Stratos and really love everything. I don't do parks. Wouldn't go back to straps. Maybe if you have the chance to try another kit. Love your content !
I've been riding the step on's since they came out and my feeling with them is opposite of what you felt. I've used the boot with the dual boa and they have been way more responsive than a strapped in set up almost to a fault you can't move your feet like you would in a strap so exactly opposite of what you've said.
You were right Kevin 👍🏻 ... Anyway you must try Genesis step-on it is more responsive and comfortable ... Like you said it is not as responded as straps binding win some lose some 🤙🏻
step on are amazing for small resort where you need to take off you binding every minute or two. I don't see much of a purpose for the big mountain rider. I have a pair of step on just for local snowboarding with my kids. but most of the time I stick with the OG strap on when I am not with the kids.
for sure, i could never trust them riding in the tetons. i have never seen any boarder with them at JHMR
Kevin you might want to make sure you got the 2 clicks on the heel clip. I have been riding Burton SO for 3 seasons now (first season with DC SO boots), if anything I'd say they have more response than I will ever need. If you are feeling only 75% response comparing to regular bindings, your boots are likely not clicked all the way in on the heel end. You will need to adjust your gas pedal by moving them forward so you get both clicks on the heel clip.
I got to be honest I think you were doing something wrong with them. I’ve worn mine for two seasons through deep powder and in the park and never had the loose feeling you were describing.. potentially because you put the high back angled as far forward you didn’t get the same response. Try and move the foot plate forward one!
could be the boot flex. the boots are pretty much the strap.
I've had them since the first launch and find them to be overwhelmingly better than any other binding out there. I'd have to agree with everyone in here saying its your lean angle not giving you the full two clicks into the heal, and the boots being to flexible.
Burtons boot ladder aside from price point also reflects boot stiffness. Step ons do require a stiffer boot than what you would normally use.
Pinnacle ! Love Tahoe
Your review was all over the place, one minute you felt to loose the next minute they are nice and responsive. Step ons are undoubtedly extremely responsive, thats a common known with them. My guess is the boots are too soft for your style of riding. Try the swath boot next for a fair assessment, its a good balance of flex and response. I found the photon too stiff for my riding style.
I think for step on at least one boa is necessary. Like if Kevin’s boot had a boa to tighten his foot/ankle area then have the lace tighten everything else would be perfect
Props to the camera man following Kevin. Not easy to do as he's such a good rider.
I started on the Burton Step On's for my first season. I love my step ons and think they work great in pow, park, groomers and the sort. It is definitely a different feeling/learning curve.
This season I have been using the Clew strap bindings and the thing I like about having straps is you can wear a looser boot but have tighter straps. where with the step on you are only as secure as your boot is tight (less adjustability). However i do not experience the "gap" between my boot and binding when in the air like you did.
Straps are the way to go, but will give the step ons bother try!
Love these types of videos where you test out different products.
I started out with the full F3 forward lean and felt a little loose as well. I pulled back the forward lean to an F2 and now my feet feel super locked in place. Now I find the step-on more responsive than my Cartels. A one day test doesn't seem like a fair test.
Is F3 a total no-go? Or you just have to pay attention a bit more and shove it in there?
@@dancedricarevalo5326 I'm sure F3 is something that people can handle but would likely take a bit of practice. I bet now that I'm more used to getting in and out that I could now increase the lean if I want to but I'm not sure it's something I feel I need to do with these bindings.
@@StevenErcolani thanks and that's helpful! So with that last part, you're saying that riding F3 in straps is the same as riding F2 in stepons in terms of response and engaging heel edge? I'm just double checking if you meant you just learned to live with it for the convenience or if they are in fact functionally the same (and that i wouldn't need to set mine to F3 at all. "F2 is the new F3" lol)
Sorry for the questions! Just doing extreme research before i donate $ to Burton 😂
@@dancedricarevalo5326I was riding at F5 in Cartels but now I'm content riding F2 and I don't feel as though I'm missing out. That's my experience anyway.
I had a similar issue, with these, but I was able to fix it by tightening the square bolts that wiggled a little loose after a lot of aggressive riding.
thanks for the review
maaaan i wish i had the budget to get Step ons with the Ion boots but after almost 5 years since the launch they are still holding the same prices ,i just cant justify spending that much money just to get convinience of getting in and out of bindings faster, hope soon they will start giving discounts on some of this gear :)
Where is it? Looks beautiful
I had the Step Ons and they made my feet hurt. Now i have the Clew and its like a game-changer in bindings. Its much more better than the Step Ons. You are much more faster in the binding when coming from a lift and you have more power.
Where does he ride? Looks really amazing there!
I have 18/19 step on, was solid for 2 whole Austrian seasons, haven't seen them for 3 years tho now as theve been stuck in Austria due to covid 🙈 next week they are back in action!!! I have the photon boot and toes were super sore for the first few weeks but then eased off. I couldn't go back to straps now
Hope you get back on snow soon!
Maybe you can try the Nidecker Supermatic Bindings for more Control
Hey there, I use the step ons and in my case they are super tight and there is no lose at all. They are exactly like when i put my straps before super tight at my boots.
But i noticed you only clicked once into the binding which is normally not for riding. If you have the second click in your heel you feel the strength and power of the step ons
Pumping out the content
This is honestly a horrible review and poorly done. 1, you used a soft boot and 2, you only clicked once vs the double click a few times and as a viewer I could even see the difference. This is totally a placebo effect. Nothing pro about this page
Just switched to step on with photon boots. Definitely feel more on the foot for the movements, had the worst foot cramps and had to end the day early. Much lighter and responsive than strap ons, I feel I finally got all Orca board potential. Just hoping this boot and feet problem is just until the boot break in, if so, the step on is a no brainer
Thanks for the feedback
That's a lot of leg work on that Heavenly snow.
Step ones are so much more responsive then traditional bindings
Sounds like youre only clicking into the first notch on the step-ons. I moved over to Step-Ons from a full Nitro Team setup and found them much more responsive. The responsiveness is the while reason I moved over to the step-ons after demoing them in Laax last year xD. Step-Ons should feel like your feet are screwed to the board, there should be zero give and any play will be between your foot and the boot, not the binding. I’m currently riding with these bindings and the Burton Ion boot
I just picked up the step on’s with the photon boots. Looking forward to seeing how you like them after you get everything locked in.
You probably having heel lift due to only one click on your high back. Otherwise toe side turn is super responsive and even better than straps. Heel side turn is the same for both step-on and straps.
Been using it for carving and park for 3 seasons without any issue.
is it too resposnive for a park beginner? I'm cosidering to get Step On for my wife, who is just starting to learn boardslide, but I'm worry about the room of error is too small compare with strap.
@@bosco2814 Do not find any difference on my heel side.. i am also working on my front board too.
@@garylai4145 thanks for the reply. My front board is not perfect as well, not able to turn the board 90degree every time. I’m mainly working on blunt 270 out. Keep it up!
Try out the Nidecker Supermatics. You'll probably enjoy those more without feeling like you're not tightly strapped in
Video coming soon!
Yea Kev, I would say for what you're looking for, you got the wrong boot. You picked one of the softest boots in their line, of course you're going to have a bunch of give. If you want that locked in responsive feel. Go to the Burton ion. Or the very least go to the Burton photon. Both of them have an actual ankle strap that goes over the boot that you can tighten down same as you would another strap. And both have boa lacing systems which you can tighten down way tighter than you ever can with your hands and laces. I'm surprised that your review is saying these aren't responsive. In my opinion the Step on system is extremely responsive and most people's review say the same. I ride the Burton photon boots and they're as responsive as I'd ever want them to be. I use a ski track app, I'm clocking 50 to 55 mph riding these things so I need that responsiveness when I'm bombing down terrain and they work just fine for me. I love them everywhere. I see no reason to go back to traditional bindings now. Try the Burton ion Step on and do another review on the responsiveness. Love to see what you think then. 😎👍
Loved the feedback, just got a new snowboard burton custom x 2011 year, abit old but really good
You need to try the ion boot or the photon boot if you want a more locked in feel. Give them a try before you pass a final judgment.
Appreciate the review. Sounds like the increase work to your feet might not be the best tradeoff. I’ve gone to the Vans Linerless boots for comfort but definitely sacrifice stiffness without having the liners.
This guy has the opposite view on step ons than almost every other reviewer. Almost everyone says they are a bit too responsive but he's saying they aren't responsive. I've used them for a season and the response was way more than my traditional binding as well. Curious how his feel can be so different than almost everyone else. I was using the Photon boot tho so maybe thats the main difference.
This review has me perplexed Kevin. Almost every review I've ever heard typically talks about how the step on is more responsive than strap bindings. If you have a gap between the bottom of your foot and the insole when you jump maybe throw in some insoles to give the interior some volume.
Or it could be as others pointed out that maybe you're weren't getting the second click. Would love to see a follow up after tweaking.
Will give them another go!
I wonder if you'd have more fun w/ Photon boots. Kendos are softer and don't have the instep strap to mimic the traditional feel.
I had a blast at Heavenly MTuW w/ StepOns w/ Photons. Wednesday still had fluffy pow to be found near closing. I did get stuck in some deep stuff and had trouble clicking back in when I got out. I figured out that I had to push snow from the heel to the toe or there wasn't rooom for my heel to go back in.
Thanks
I always give them a good hop/Ollie to make sure it's locked in. Gotta get the snow out though. I have the photons though
You need to adjust the foot bed to the correct shoe size. Which is why you have that play