20,000 Mile Oil Filter Comparison | Mobil 1 vs Fram Titanium
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2021
- Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filter vs Fram Titanium oil filer. In this video we'll look at the construction differences between these two filters - Thickness of the canister shell, anti-drain back and pressure release valves, the media used, efficiency ratings, gasket material, wire backing, etc.
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Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filter. Protects for up to 1 year or 20,000 miles when used with fully synthetic motor oil. This is a high efficiency and high capacity oil filter. 99% efficiency rating is based on removing particles greater than 30 microns. Heavy duty canister with stands 9x the normal system operating pressure. Enhanced nitrile gasket remains pliable to prevent leaks. Steel center tube for added internal strength. Synthetic blend media keeps oil cleaner and holds more dirt.
Fram Titanium oil filter. 20,000 mile protection when used with fully synthetic motor oil. Total grip surface. Metal screen back. Synthetic media blend. 99% efficiency rating for particles greater than 20 microns.
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Been using Fram for about 30 years now and NEVER had a filter related failure....ever. I see no reason to change now.
I've had one on a tractor, it was the cheaper entry level fram. Will never use one of those again. This one seems to be pretty good
I’d personally take the Titanium, that filter media looks special.
We cut open Walmart Super Tech.SYNTHETIC Oil Filters ... Low & Behold they had the same components as the Mobil 1...The difference was MONEY...We've switched over to ST filters at our family owned auto shop
And st oil seems to be almost the same as mobile oil
Same filter. And the cheaper regular Supertech filters are the same as AC Delco.
Thanks for making this! I usually run Mobil 1 oil and filters but due to supply chain BS and the fact that so many trucks on the road run a Mobil 1 M1-212a filter, I couldn’t find one locally. Parts guy reassured me that the new Fram filters are not the junk that they used to be so I ended up coming home with one. About to change my oil and was really second guessing the decision but this video is exactly what I needed to see to give me some reassurance.
FRAM Titanium are much different then regular FRAM.
You MISSED the most important point!!!! Fram is 20 microns. Mobile 1 is 30 microns. Fram filters 50% more (if you can believe the ad).
K&N Gold 10 Microns great 👍
@@keepitsolidkeepitreal2877 is your engine rated at 10? Mine is 5.3 and rated for 20
@@tearsthepanda9837 engine rating?
@@keepitsolidkeepitreal2877 35
What you fellas don't realize it that the same rules apply to HVAC filters in your furnace. The smaller the microns a filter can filter, the lower the airflow or in this case, the oil flow will make it through and clog up faster and need to be changed more often. The difference between 20 and 30 microns can be a lot of flow and not even able to be seen by the human eye. The media material and amount of surface area is far more important as long as it can flow well and get changed often enough that they do not clog. Oil flow and decent filtration of 20-30 is beyond plenty. But extended oil changes are barely worth it when a jug of the best Synthetic oil and a high end filter is less than $50 every 5000, 7500 or 10,000 miles that is designed for by your vehicle manufacture. Amsoil is clearly number 1, with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, Valvoline Advanced, and all the high mileage versions have the best additive packages making them the better choice. Plus there are only 3-4 oil filter manufactures to their specifications including OEM's. In the end, engines are expensive, oil is affordable insurance. Chances are that you won't own the car for more than a small portion of it's life. Most people don't care about about spending money to keep an engine clean for the future owner, so it might in fact last longer, again why do you care? Unless you are a professional racer and pushing it to maximum for it's life before they rebuild or replace the engine after races.
M1 is only a synthetic blend unlike the full synthetic of the Fram.
I don't know what more ridiculous, 20,000 mile oil or 20,000 mile oil filters or people that actually drive 20,000 miles on an oil change when cars cost as much as they do right now and how cheap oil is compared to a new engine.
I know what you mean, @j.t.cooper2963 ! Is it some kind of sick contest, to see how long you can run your oil, while absolutely jacking your engine wear, and still think this is ok ??? :) :) :)
Excellent comparison. Gracias.
Can somebody actually do a flow test and a micron capture rate?? 5,000+ oil filter videos all based on opinion. Used oil tests are great for detecting engine wear issues but too many variables to be exact.
This or at least use them and show us the internals after a change interval of say 5k. These are all just eyeball comparison videos.
Great video with great information. I've been hearing for years how Fram filters aren't good but I have 209k on my 05 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.7. No filter failure here. BTW, I've never seen anyone put up any real-life failure videos on a Fram.
IMHO.
Same here Karl... 184k on my 5.0 and since it's first oil change nothing but Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic and Fram Ultra. Love em both! 🇺🇸
I run the Fram Ultra Synthetic on 4 vehicles, and the lowest has 160k the highest is over 250k. Change oil at 4k on 3, 5k on 1. Never go over 5k.
That is a good idea to find a good oil filter.
I Only use Purolator Boss Oil filters they are Great Quality Oil Filters.
Me too, but I just put a fram ultra on. Did lots of research first, but I’ll see how it goes. The titanium is the same as an ultra just branded for advanced auto parts
I:be been looking at that one. I'm about to buy my first 20k filter. Puralator made the short list.
Two things that stops me from using the higher end Fram filters. I don't like the plastic bypass valve Fram uses (I won't buy a oil filter with any plastic in it), and I like the extra pleats like on the Mobile 1 and other filters. The filter media having more efficiency on the Fram is negotiable for me since I run such low OCI.
What oil filters don't have a plastic bypass valve? What is your favorite oil filter? Thanks.
Nice video. Actually, as has been said below, the Mobile 1 uses a synthetic blend media. They are both high quality oil filters. It pains me to say this, but for me, the Fram looks a bit better then the Mobile 1. As for the 20k mile rating? That's just marketing BS. Only a fool would use any oil filter for 20K duration. This Fram filter is definitely not the "orange can of death". Also, both oil filters are far superior to the OEM Honda oil filter.
Welcome to modern engineering. These are rated for HIGHER than 20K miles if that's what they are warrantied for. Since it's rated for 20k and is designed for that purpose it's not surprising that tests have found this to be 100% true. It pays to do your research.
@@p.doetsch6209 It also pays to be on the safe side. I change my filter and oil at every 4,000 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first.
@@bobby1970 Then why not change at 1000 miles? It's only out of habit did most people. Using oil analysis from a lab is the only way to know for sure but I'm shooting for 12,000 miles at my next oil change.
@@bobby1970 I'll also changed my oil filter at 27,000 miles and it was still good .
@@p.doetsch6209 Because 4,000 miles is a lot more sensible than 1,000 miles. 10,000, especially 20,000 miles on an oil change is just begging for engine failure.
Replace the filter at every oil change.
The smaller pleats on the Mobile one filter means it has a larger surface area on the filter. makes a big difference on filtering capability.
The synthetic media seems to hold up quite well with or without the metal screen. The cheap paper filters, probably not so much, at least with longer change intervals or running your vehicles at high RPM's. The bottom line is it's worth it to get a higher quality oil filter.
I use this exact P/N on my 2019 frontier, I started changing my oil myself (This way I can do 3k mile oil changes because I drive my car for work) first change I used the New Fram Synth Endurance (Seemed great!). Then at 63K miles I changed my oil again and was going to use the Fram Titanium but when I placed it side by side with the Mobile 1 it was visibly slightly shorter (But in your video they are equal in height so it is confusing). I liked the endurance and wanted to try the Titanium, but was turned off by this. ended up using the mobile 1.
I use the S2K oil filter on my 2007 Acura MDX. now on my 2012 honda Accord, The S2k filter will not fit bc Honda has a aluminum ring around the filter mount
OMG How many dam filters can Fram make? :) I am amazed the Fram Platinum filtered down to 20 Microns for its 99% and the Mobil 1 was only 30 Microns! That is huge! I know the Fram Ultra synthetic is only 30 microns! I have used Mobil 1 and Wix Xp for several years. Its good to know Fram has stepped up their game finally. The Mobil 1 has way more square inches of filter material just look at thee pleat count. The Fram looks to be much thicker media and has the wire backing. Which will hold more debris? Who knows. If they would use the thicker can and end cap they would be equal in my opinion. I'm sure they are both really a good filter. Thanks for thee review!
The Fram ultra synthetic is 20 microns
Check Frams website, and the Ultras box, it's 20 microns like Jake stated. Don't make false statements, even Bob's the oil guy has it at 20 microns.
I live in Minnesota, as the weather in those states in temperates get below 0 quite a lot, does it considered as off road driving which mobil can help a lot?
After one time you double gasket a oil filter you’ll learn your lesson. What a mess never again lol.
Ya that happened to me once. Lol.
paul stanley, Pep Boys did that to me one time…NEVER again!
What filter ADBV will work best ( Hold oil in the filter when the engine is not running )on an Inverted Subaru Boxer Eng. ???
I've use fram ultra synthetic (gold color) grade oil filter. On my toyota's, but I'm switching to toyota oem (denso). All from Walmart. There's so good quality aftermarket brands to choose from. 👍
Good review.
Cost being the same the Fram is a better filter because it filters out 20 micron where Mobil 1 only dose 30. The filter that gets the smallest particle is the one to use.
I would like them to publish info about pressure curves over time.
Depends, Mobil1 has a considerable amount more surface area to filter the oil out. 10 microns realistically is not going to make a major or drastic change, but it is preferred. Either way, Mobil1 and a higher end Fram filter will serve you well.
.75 is still pretty thick. Whip city measurements show about.45 average
Always buy filters at rock auto. You could buy a case of filters for the cost of a couple from the store. Auto parts mark up is insane, especially at Napa 💯🤯
Are you sure they're not counterfeit/fake from Rock Auto? You had better disassemble one of them and compare it with one from Advance Auto or some place.
@@bobby1970 everything i have bought from them has been the exact same part as any part store has. My brother sells parts for a living and he uses them also 🤣
@@michaelburton Okay, then, that's cool.
Check eBay too. Sometimes you can pick up a 6 pack of Ultras for under $40. Or a 6 pack of Tough Guards for $30.
Im a 25--3K Mile soil change of person so the titanium is sufficient . Keep oil & filter changed regular and air filter fresh your engine WONT all one VS the other. Extreme dust or other conditions, then, buy a K&N etc. Else either your engine will NOT know the different!
Can I use this filter on a 2.5 Camry 2022
The Fram Titanium looks exactly like the top end K&N oil filter
I Switch too 10 Microns Gold K&N Royal Purple with Engine Restorer Using 8 Cylinder bottle extended protection and compression seen a-in 5 pounds and using B-12 Berry’s Man’s injector cleaner using Wix’s Fuel Filter seen a 5-9Mpg differences. Try it out you’ll see what you paid For .
Berryman b12 is a very powerful fuel injector cleaner. It consists of very strong solvents. It melts out varnish almost as good as BG44k. I noticed significant gas mileage improvements aswell after using berryman b12.
Fram are good filters. I’ve never heard of an engine failing because of a Fram filter if put on correctly. Fram makes a full synthetic filter with screen backing. Never use a wrench to put on a filter. Hand tighten only.
The lower grade Fram filters are junk.
@@timetryp422 The Fram Drive from Advance Auto is the same as a Supertech inside. Ecore design. The Extra Guard is the cheap one you’re referring to. They claim those can go 10k miles now. I wouldn’t go more than 5k with one.
@@justinstandifer604 Yes, you are correct. I used to use the Extra Guard, until i saw all the bad reviews on You Tube. I cut some open and was shocked at the condition of the filtering element - it was distorted, unevenly spaced and the cardboard end caps had deteriorated. Honda uses 15400-PLM-A02 now, which is the Extra Guard in a blue can. The previous A01's were Filtech, which were vastly superior in construction. I suspect the cost was an issue for Honda...
Ok 1 Mobil 1 that media is a paper cellulose
2 the Fram efficiency is not stated with a % rating anywhere however the fine print called out specifically stated greater than 20 microns with no % rating. And the Fram is a synthetic media blend.
Ever since Scotty said “forget the brand and all the marketing bs, look at the certified sticker that means it’s up to standards…I started buying full synthetic and fram ever since saving tons of money and I’m a happy camper!
You should wait a base plates separately that might account for the weight differences
If you burst that Fram filter even on a race car there is something seriously wrong with your engine and it would have died anyway.
Exactly . Over exaggerated on the burst pressure angle.
Mentioned very little about exit port holes in the filter,,,,,,at first bigger is better…I thought. Then I thought smaller keeps oil pressure higher..now I’m con fused…and I don’t know…so I went bigger..
Me ,mobile 1 looks like more filter area I.e gets rid of more particular contamination!
Mobile one is synthetic blend media not full synthetic and only 30 microns not 20 like the fram. And the fram ultra is the same as the titanium. Titanium is sold at advanced auto and a lot more money. Get the ultra at Walmart or Amazon. I did just buy the mobile 1 at Walmart on sale $11. Thought I’d give it a try. I usually use purolator boss filters and dump the oil 2-3 times with the same filter.
mobil 1 is not full synthetic fiber media that's why they are not wired back.
What is the price difference?
Just a heads up. First Brands Fram recently change the Ultra/Titanium media, cheapening it significantly. No longer micro glass with wire screen backing. AAP Titanium may move stock slower so OG Titanium 'may' still be around, but if it hasn't yet, it will be changing.
Source?
@@adamotocross48 There's many sources out there now but here's one of the better ones. ua-cam.com/video/5ue0HTU60fU/v-deo.html
Looks like there putting on wire mesh on titanium filter only now .
@@bluenite12 Pehaps for now. But NO WAY First Brand wills specially make the AAP Titanium using OG Ultra media on a 'made for' filter. If the Titan hasn't changed yet, as new stock moves in, it will. I'll bet on it. No doubt Titanium move slower than Ultra did at WM.
@@faxmen09 I have ultra on my car now and have 10k on it with Vavoline full synthetic advanced but not looking good oil starting to get dark going do change at 12 k half mileage is city off of dirt roads . Was hoping to get 15 k but Fran not keeping oil clean at 10k .
Great video. Agree 100%. The micron difference is minimal both are great. I like that fram has the wire mesh backing. It's a nice xtra feature that 99% of the time won't matter. However if that mesh saves just one engine it's worth it to the Fram brand name. Nothing damages a filters reputable name more than catastrophic failure. Synthetic oil is expensive and shouldn't have to be dumped and swapped every 3k. That's where these amazing filters come into play, allowing 7.5k or even 12k oil changes. What normal person has the time or money to change oil every 3k? Plus it's a waste of money to dump a good synthetic at 3k. Match the oil to the filter to get the most out of both.
Even Supertech hits 99% at 30 microns on the MP7317. 30 and 35 microns is more the normal range.
Im torn between my RP filter vs fram titanium. Is there really a difference, i paid $16 for RP, got fram free with RP oil purchase. Should i returrn the RP filter???
No keep it, you'll never know might need a spare oil filter(if you don't have one already). Because one guy told me at the junkyard get all the alternators you can buy because you're going to need it. So my dad's truck kept blowing up the alternators we had, he's on his last one. AND HE WAS RIGHT ON !!!.
@@zachariahjones7885 All the new alternators are cheap chinese junk. You’re almost better off with a junkyard alternator, as you can find a oem factory one there.
@@justinstandifer604yep junkyard parts almost always oem
Even though fram titanium is more expensive it is the only 20,000 mile filter I can buy in my area for my 87 & 93 nissan d21. I can't find the ultra synthetic anywhere.
What about the Fram Ultra Synthetic? They are 20k miles as well. Either way though, with the Titanium you are getting excellent filtration rate.
@@JA-rn5qv still nope. I have checked everywhere for a 20,000 mile filter and the only one available was that titanium fram filter. I can find an ultra synthetic for my other vehicles but not my D21s.
I never run my oil and filter more than 4,000 miles my 2011 charger r/t has 150,000 miles and runs great
I just had a fram fs2 for 3k miles and the can was absolutely destroyed when I took it out. As soon as I tried to turn it to get it off it completely collapsed.
I do think they are rather thin, but I have not had a failure with them. Try to put the filter wrench close to the bottom of the filter (furthest from the engine block) and turn slowly at first.
@@tarquineous tried that. It was a total sh!t show
You say you prefer the Mobile 1 on the track car but not say why? What's the point?
The Fram Titanium -- 99% efficiency @ 20 Microns. Mobil 1 EP -- 99% efficiency @ 30 Microns.
The FRAM Titanium wins -- no contest.
The famous 95 MERC runs Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, 5-W-20; Bosch #3410 Premium Oil Filter; FILTERMAG # SS365PR Magnet Kit.
Oil and Filter changed, magnets tended at 5,000 mile intervals.
In my experience, a 20,000-mile oil change interval is just plain vehicle neglect.
Purolator and Wix are best
I agree on not going past 12,000 miles on a full flow filter, especially on engines with over 100K miles. And the oil too, unless there is a bypass filter installed. Motor oil is usually filthy by 12,000.
what oil filter has the lowest micron size at 99%?
Fram does
93% 15 micron
74% 10 micron
Here is my video on it
ua-cam.com/video/hBbGEoY7DRA/v-deo.html
@@FordBossMe nice to see you in other places 👍🏼
You make no clear reasoning for Mobil on track. Is it the slightly thicker outer wall? Is it the greater particle pass-through? If it were me, I’d fold-over 4 layers of aluminium foil over the top, 4 layers around the cylinder, and then repeat in the same order, with a couple layers of duct tape. I prefer the tighter filtration of the Fram.
These high OCI are ridiculous.
Seriously... 20k?! thats insane, the absolute MOST i would recommend anyone to go would be 7500 miles and that is with premium oil, premium filter AND absolute grandma driving. Ive always done 3-3.5k on my cars. Especially if it is a turbo'd engine
The Mobil1 does not look like synthetic media. More like a blend.
I would only use the OEM Honda filter on a S2000.
Agreed, I only use oem Honda filter as well!
Fun fact: fram manufactures OE Honda filters.
You like Fram then because the oem Honda filter is a Fram.
Buy Honda OEM filters made in Japan. Otherwise, they are a cheap Fram.
So basically a Fram.
The bypass valve is for cold start up relief only. If you clog an oil filter going down the road your engine is toast
Bro. A 'strap filter wrench' will not unscrew a filter off of nearly ANY vehicle I know of. CAN'T GET IT IN THERE
Fram sx
Honda America does not recommend the Fram ultra or higher because of there low flow and restricted nature. Be carfull people with Honda engines anyway.
Amsoil oil filter is all I use for my vehicles.
Amsoil filters are almost $20 each and that's before tax and shipping. They are made by Champion Labs. For $10 you can get the Fram Ultra Synthetic at Walmart and it has the same capabilities. If you're stupid enough to go 20,000 miles between oil changes, that is.
Mobil don’t make filters,Champion Laboratories make them for Mobil. Now,is Mobil have own specs? I don’t know. Open Champion high end filter and Mobil 1 and lets see.
I would not run oil and filter past 5k miles regardless of what Honda says.
Wow everybody is a keyboard/ internet mechanic if you gave them an engine in pieces they couldn’t put it together. Too many people have no idea they just copy other videos
one year? smfh...........folks change your oil 3k-5k not once a year
what if I only drive around 5k miles a year?
@@poluticon twice a year no matter what
@@oldcarnocar thy will be done
@@poluticon always remember,OIL/FILTERS are cheap,engine replacements are not! happy to help. 25$ is cheap insurance and piece of mind
@@oldcarnocar I agree, it's just that I was following the manufacture's recommended interval which is 10k miles or one year, so I was changing it once a year because I only drive this car about 5-6k miles a year. I'm going to start changing it every 6 months.
Boy...Fram has many filters to make us try to forget about the Original Orange Crap Filters
Fram Ultra all day! Purolator Boss close second! Mobil 1 is weak!
I never change the gaskets smh 🤦♂️
Mobil 1 is mediocre
Only fools buy these costly filters that usually have higher micron specs like the m1 so they can last more miles. 😂
Why would anyone ever take a risk with a Fram filter on their engine. Fram lost my respect and If given one for free I would throw it in the garbage can
Fram has hyped their filters for years. And over the years watching people compare filters Fram has always been the worst.
So given their track record of overstating their performance I'll stick with my Royal Purple filters.
I wouldn't put a Fram on my lawnmower.
There are plenty of videos showing Fram Ultra beating out Royal Purple and Mobil One oil filters (both the RP and M1 are made in the same factory... similar components.)
Same with Royal Purple oil... it just can't compare to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum or Amsoil. Mobil one isn't even in the same league lol.
Hype?? That's what overpriced Royal Purple is best at imo.
FRAM is very underrated. Marketing scammers sure screwed gullible people like yourself 😂😂😂😂😂
@@franchisefred4066 Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
@@427yenko67 It’s called FACTS buddy. Totally different, stop comparing apples to oranges 👊😂😂😂
Fram is junk!
Um...Beg your pardon but no they aren't. I have used fram filters for the last 40 years. Not one engine has ever failed me. All of my cars lasted hundreds of thousands of miles. My neighbor had a Dodge D 100 pickup last over a million miles with only fram filters used since new!
JJ just repeats what other fools say. Enough fools say the same thing over and over?? Then MORE fools start saying the same thing over and over and...
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FRAM is the most underrated and best budget company on the market. Stay away from marketing scams
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 I've cut one open and the filter inside seems flimsy and thin with very little material to help capture particulate. I prefer to avoid them due to my personal experience
@@BMW_DAILY yes JJ the orange filter is a $3.50 filter and probably only good for a 3000 mi change. dont expect the best quality out of them
Fram and Formule 1 are the most Rubbish and dangerous Oil Filters causing damage to your Engine by not Filtering well the oil going back to the Engine .