As someone who has done tests for UA-cam before, I appreciate what you guys did and how you did it. You coulda done a lot of different things with a lot of different products…..that’s irrelevant. I appreciate what you did and what you did it with. Great info in this video
Really great camera work, and appreciate that you didn't go out of your way to trash your competitors. The video evidence was compelling enough. You also saved me some time--I really like the results I see from TAC vanes, but I also like to tinker and was going to try out the DCA vanes because they've been getting some positive reviews. This video was done so well that I know it's not really worth it--I have no reason to expect that I would get better results from DCA than I'm getting from TAC, or even as good performance as I'm seeing from TAC.
The one thing I took from this is the iron will out performed everything lol same size cut as the swacker went deeper in the gel but was cutting the whole time where the swacker only cut about 2 inches of gel so there for if you don't get a pass through with a swacker your blood trail is going to be not good
the iron will is leaps and bounds better then those LRP heads plus we not shooting plywood or gel not even close to a living animal. still great tests awesome to watch the arrow flight stuff thx..
1 issue with the torque test is where he is holding the shaft with his hand. Doesnt look like holding the shaft in hand is very controlled. Not bashing just pointing out my opinion on that part. Loved the video and thanks for putting in the time to do this for the people. I dont think people realize the actual time it takes to do these kind of test. #TACFTW!!!
The Sevr was most definitely not left out on purpose. We didn't know there were so many people shooting them right now, but we will work to make a follow up video.
I watched this video, and a few others and there’s been 1 thing in common with rage broadheads. 95% of the time half the blades don’t deploy all the way. I’m not saying you won’t kill a deer by any means but it’s something to consider when buying broadheads. I’m a huge Grim Reaper fan. Made in USA unlike Rage, razor sharp and leave a massive wound channel. Swacker is also one a few friends of mine use and have had success. Great video.
logan.....it's physics...for every action there is equal reaction....on the rib only test there was no lung tissue to keep.pressure on the blades...SO as the arrow is slowing down the blades can swing forward. You will notice that in the gelatin tests the blades did not close
I wish they would have tested the sevr as well. I've bent several swhackers shooting through shoulders but I ain't ever bent a sevr. Makes you just wonder if it was on purpose that they only tested the other broadheads that are known to break to make it look better.
Agreed, not to mention the test is nice to watch, but doesn't replicate what the broadheads need to cut through to get to the meat. Depending on the animal the hide could be the toughest part to cut through (think elk and it waay thicker than an antelope or whitetail) and then through the fascia which is like "chain mail" under the hide.
Bit of cherry picking comparisons and tests in my opinion. 1- Target: If you are shooting target, or 3d or long range target events i.e. TAC events. Then you maximize for the least weight and spin / drag you can use to make your arrow spin up and be accurate. This keeps velocity up and minimizes drop, while still having good enough accuracy. This has nothing to do with maximizing hunting with broadheads, fixed or mechanical. Target shooters have always shot lighter arrows, and smaller less drag inducing vane setups. No one in their right mind would take an Olympic arrow setup, put a fixed broadhead on it and hunt with it. But these tests are mixing and confusing the two styles of arrow setups. 2- Hunting: If you are looking to maximize hunting setups, then you need to look at how much drag do I need to stabilize and make my broadhead accurate. Here there is a major tradeoff and no perfect answer. More drag means more accuracy, and faster stabilization of the arrow. You then lose velocity faster, leading to more drop at longer ranges. Mechanicals will need less drag to shoot broadheads accurately, so that is the main advantage of a mechanical head in a hunting situation. The real comparison needs to be how do these TAC vanes do stabilizing a fixed broadhead compared to Blazers, DCA etc? That was not done, most likely on purpose cause the answer does not sell their products. The other thing that is important is 4 fletch vs 3. Is the additional drag and loss of velocity and rate of lost velocity (deceleration) worth the additional accuracy? Finding that sweet spot and if some of these newer CAD modeled vanes can get enough drag from 3 smaller vanes that's an advantage. How did we get here? We used to all shoot heavy aluminum arrows, with 4-6" feathers. Then vanes came along, and we shot again 4-5" vanes. Nearly everyone shot fixed broadheads. Very few stories from real world hunters about mysterious lack of penetration. Deflections, and hitting an animal but somehow no blood trail or it lived. The fast arrow, fast bow, light arrows, mechanicals, have all led to these new issues with less effective kill shots in my opinion. Show accuracy of these vanes using a fixed broadhead at distance. That's what matters in hunting. And your older engineer guy let it slip. When you torque the bow, or yank the trigger, or are in an awkward position / stance, you need that additional spin up and drag to help you get that broadhead/ arrow back on track and now. That's what he knows matters. And I do too. The hooter shooter will never show that. But that is the real world variable which matters more then 15 grains of vanes or 30 grains of vanes etc. or 10% FOC vs 30% FOC. Hunting arrows are to be maximized for accuracy at distance. Heavier arrows, vanes that create a lot of drag, fixed broad heads, arrow integrity are the key to maximizing hunting success. The ashby foundation has done the best job of laying out what matters to hunting arrows and broadheads. I just don't think extreme FOC matters as much cause it forces you to make too many comprises in the other variables to get the FOC that high. I love Levi Morgan and he is the GOAT. But please don't intentionally mislead people about physics and engineering principals.
You know what I don't get? Why after you made this video all these guys with little bow channels start to critique your video? You're a pro, the best! I take what you say to heart like the bible.
Thank you for doing these tests and giving the viewer a basically unvarnished view of what occurred. It appeared to me that the Blazer vanes demonstrated a good combination of fast spin rate, while still maintaining good speed downrange (2nd in spin, 4th in drop). The TAC vanes are good and have a good reputation - but, based on the test, they likely need further refinement to be considered the best.
My biggest takeaway - When watching the penetration of the ribs in slow motion the force it takes to get the blades open causes a lot of arrow flex. It seems that with a mechanical we should be spining our arrows a little stiff and reducing rear weight to decrease flex & increase penetration.
If your blade doesn't get through, that means there's an arrow plugging the entrance (which is smaller because the blades dont deploy until after the hide) so there's not much to bleed out of... That might make for a terrible blood trail. What are your thoughts on that scenario?
Very good point, "blade getting through", assuming you mean a pass thru on opposite side of entrance? If there isn't a pass thru all you would have is a hole the size of a field point on entrance side and arrow could be plugging hole. In this instance for sure the 3" cut works be more beneficial for kill shot w no blood imho...
The best broadhead test I’ve seen. And though I’ve not killed as much as you guys have I’ve killed a bunch. And the Rage Extreme original 2.0 has been my go to for years. The Hypodermic which everyone loves to test has always looked weak to me and I never ran them. But what you’re video shows of Swhacker opening after entry and saving the edge has my attention and o will blast some with them this fall. Good video guys.
Good testing. I wish the commentary wasn’t so heavily biased (but I understand you’re trying to sell your product). First hypothesis was that TAC vanes would spin up the fastest and that was important for arrow stabilization… results showed they actually spin up the slowest and the tune quickly changed to looking at drag/drop. Ultimately I agree the most important characteristic is groups, which showed undetectable differences. The whisker biscuit test is irrelevant for most serious shooters these days. Would be nice to see the same high speed footage with drop aways. And the results summarized at the end needs to be cleaned up some. Arrow drop test description is very confusing, and the schwacker vs. iron will numbers are definitely incorrect.
Bias was definitely clear. They said the sooner you can get the arrow to spin the sooner it starts to stabilize the arrow. That’s not the same as spinning the fastest. However they didn’t really measure that, they measured one full rotation. The vanes generate different spin rates so measuring the distance to one full rotation doesn’t mean that vane started to spin first. Yes confusing. What was wrong with the Iron will numbers? I’d like to see a comparison of the 2.25” vs the 2.75” in a 3 vane configuration at 100 yards.
Shot huge buck with one no blood no deer for a year found him rabbit hunting , 2 blade are not the way to go for me I'll only use 3 blade head now. G5 dead meat best broadhead in my opinion bow or crossbow they are the definition of lethal. Sorry Levi, like your show .
Love Swhacker broadheads many deer down and quick, best broadhead I've ever used IMHO, my previous fixed and mechanicals (and I have used several) they are officially retired. -W. Liggett
Would love to see an updated test with the shwackers, megameats, severs, and beast broadheads.... I'm going to run Megameats again this year, I'm considering shwackers now, as well as beasts. Need more data
I run Tac driver 2 inch 4 fletch on my 3d/field arrows, and Tac Driver 2.75 3 fletch on my indoor arrows, and I’ve had nothing but success with them. I am running bohning blazer 2” in a 4 fletch on my hunting arrows, and had no clue they had so much drag and flimsiness. I’m shooting a QAD imx rest, but it still makes me think I should change these vanes. Season is here this year, so I’ll leave it, but it looks like I’ll be running Tacs on all of my arrow setups from here on out. Great test! I’d like to see the test on a fixed blade broadhead as well. In my case, the QAD exodus Thanks y’all! Good work
There was some useful information shared here regarding the vanes, components, and broadheads. Which Flex Fletch vanes were used in testing? Was the Grim Reaper the Micro Hades Pro? In the final broadhead test, would the 3" Shwaker have a full pass-through compared to the Iron Will? I am not so sure, especially on a big-body deer. In my experience, an entrance and exit hole provides a better blood trail than an arrow that has not passed through the animal, especially if the arrow stays in the entrance hole. If there will be a follow-up mechanical broadhead test. As others have mentioned, it would be nice to see the SEVR along with the JEKYLL & HYDE heads. In the torque test, I would like to see the Valkyrie, Iron Will, and Podium components tested.
I use TAC drivers on my hunting arrows. the 2.75 steer my Grizzlystick single bevels the best. As for components the better the metal (SS or Titanium) and the longer the insert the stronger your setup. If you can put the lateral force farther into the shaft the better. Most arrow components are stronger than any aluminum farrell on a broadhead of any kind. Good flight, sharp broadheads, and arrow integrity..... Where have I heard this before? Dr. Ashby. It's not just about heavy arrows.
we did shoot the DCA thru the biscuit....it was really ugly...not sure why it wasnt included in the final cut but I am sure we can dig up a still shot from the video
For my longrange arrow set up: TAC vanes hands down. Az ez fletching jig. 2.0" 3 fletch. My best results for long range. Max helical.. but... smaller vanes. 2" instead of 2.75"
nobody gonna talk about how the shwacker blades only cut 3in before the arrow stops penetrating? seems silly for them to not even fairly review the clear results
The distance is only relevant when compared to the other heads. Its ballistics gel so it will never be realistic, but it is a consistent medium. The only real question is how did the other BH's do and even that is a stretch since its largely anecdotal evidence.
Very interesting. For the next used Bohning Heat 2,5", are stiffer than Bohning Blazer. And other cuestion, why you used a Elite Bow and no a Mathews bow? Thanks.
Probably cause it wasn't Levi's bow lol. It was probably one of the other guys bow and that's what they had on hand and it shouldn't matter anyway. Elite is every bit as good a bow as Mathews or any of the other flagships.
Elite is a much better bow than Matthews. Matthews is bottom third in quality but tops in marketing budget. I mean, they have to pay people off to shoot their bows. Just think about that. Perception beats reality.
@@cjr4497 I used for long time Elite. GT500, Answer and E35. Best draw cicle and let- off in the market. Also used Obsession Evolution and Defcon6. But now using Mathews V3X 33" to compit and for hunting VXR 31,3. I like change a prove a new brands.
Great video. I would have loved to see the spin rates post recovery. Eg the 3 vein TAC recovered in 5 ft but was rotating at X at 40 yards vs a competitor rotating at Y at 40 might give some interesting data as to how stable that arrow would be at later distances. Are y’all going to share the results in a public google sheet for people to look at the data? Thanks for a great video.
When comparing the Swhacker to the Iron Will, you fail to mention that the Iron Will is cutting on impact and creating an entrance wound the width of the broadhead while the Swhacker does not open until it reaches the internals of the animal. Thus, there is not much of an entrance wound if any other than the width of the ferrule. If you don't get a complete pass through, then you are counting on your entrance hole to provide the bloodletting trail.
I know this video was 10 months ago. But iron will Bill just did an incredible study of arrow veins. I would highly recommend Levi and the gang check it out. There was some fascinating information in there including the fact that spin rate has nothing to do with arrow stabilization. Nor does it have more or less drag on an arrow. Don’t get me wrong, I shot TAC veins last hunting season and had great luck with them. But I do think there’s a lot of misinformation in this video. I absolutely love the high speed footage though. Especially the whisker biscuit stuff.
Great video! Curious as to what these vanes do with offsets and helical, obviously left or right depending on string twist and natural bow spin direction. But that is something that I would be really interested in!!
The drop measurement is interesting but less useful than speed at the target. Because the fletchings all have different mass, the arrow's center of gravity will change, thus altering the arrow's angle of attack, which changes aerodynamics in flight.
Very well done video. Fun to watch the testing. But I would like to know why you guys drop the DCA after the drop test. It would’ve been nice to see how that performed and recovered through a whisker biscuit. I assume performed better than the TAC vanes since you dropped it.
Thanks for the kind words @UplandFisher - We had a couple other subscribers mention this to us and we realized we missed it in the edit but did have the footage from testing. We made a short with the results so check that out here: ua-cam.com/users/shortscO4LBAJBrxo?si=P759Oz0m2OneZkF7
Interesting video, but really dont like hearing in one part they reused the broadhead and stayed sharp. As one reshootd broadheads then blades can bend break more do some companies products might then look worse, just thoughts by me
Swacker has to do best because they are the broadhead that deploys AFTER it blows through the plywood, the blades are protected from the initial impact the only drawback with swacker is a poor entry hole, I do love tac vanes and won't shoot any other. The ol'plywood test will just about destroy any cut on contact broadhead most of the time.
I'm in the camp with wishing you'd tested TAC 2.75 in 4 vane 90* configuration, and also let the Sevr 1.5 or any other Sevr's into the comparison of mechanicals.
I have noticed the drop in other vanes vs tac vanes when testing with broadheads specifically...my issue with the tac vanes is how much memory they have after passing through something. I will say TAC's customer service is outstanding as I was having some issues and they reached out multiple times in a timely manner.
I've found it to be the opposite. I can shoot a tac vane into a bag target and have it get stuck and come out all bent and put it in the back of my quiver and after about 5 minutes it's ready to go again. I will say if they get creased then it won't come back as good. But they still do better than the blazers I used to shootn
Agreed, I swapped from Blazers about 3-4 months ago and the tac vanes are holding up a whole lot better from practice. The blazers would get bent very easily.
Levi, I have a question. After watching the Shoot through Whisker rest on the video, I noticed 0 rotation from the string. Do you still think Clocking arrows matters, after watching that?
question: when you say the arrows all weigh the same. Is that pre fletching or post fletching? I'm curious if the drop test is just showing that the vanes are lighter or if the weights of the arrows were the same when fletched to show the aerodynamic properties. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Would have liked to see you incorporate the swhacker #252 in this test. Great video thanks for the information. I will be trying something other than blazers after seeing this. 👍
I would like to see a quartering away shot added. Perfectly square shots are not always possible. Hide ,ribs and then slice the gel to match angle of entry.
So are you saying a slower rotation arrow will carry longer than a faster spinning arrow because of less drag? I taught you want the arrow to rotate faster to stabilize the arrow quicker which return gives you better arrow flight. Also would like to see dorge’s firenock aerovanes.
The Sevr was most definitely not left out on purpose. We didn't know there were so many people shooting them right now, but we will work to make a follow up video.
not sure what im suppose to think on those megameats. with the 2 ribs one, u shot the megameat and showed it went thru the ribs very good, then shot another right after and showed it didnt open right and showed it as the megameat...
Are you comparing equal stiffness vanes as some mfg's make different stiffness vanes? Excellent video for data geeks. I think that broad head test should be done at 50yds to see more variability.
The only thing about the swacker not opening until it’s inside the animal if you don’t get a pass through is your not gonna have a good blood trail because it’s like a field tip going in but swackers are good if you get a pass through because the blades are opened going through the opposite side
Exactly, I shot Swackers for a while and a quartering away shots are dangerous because that off shoulder often stops the arrow, poor blood trails is why I switched to Trypan's and haven't had that issue again. to Swackers credit they are the most reusable mechanical broadhead, I killed 4 deer with the same head a few years ago.
you have a MUCH better chance of getting a pass through with a swhacker, as it doesn't waste energy cutting a large high side entry entry hole through fur, skin and ribs, that aint going to bleed out anyway, i would much rather conserve my energy for the low side exit hole that is going to bleed out. i have used the 1.75" swhacker (the most durable model) for the past few years and have never not had a pass through and my arrow buried deep in the dirt. if for some reason you didn't get a pass through, blood is going to be coming out of the deers mouth if you got a proper kill shot. none of the deer or turkey i have shot with swhackers have made it out of my eyesight, so i have never needed a blood trail, but there always has been one.
@@yourmomma2995 Exactly. I just recently started using Swhacker and I've shot 2 deer and both dropped right away. I didn't even need a blood trail. Both were with the 3" 150gr. I'm trying the 2.5" 125gr Levi Morgan's this year to see how they do.
So you say the arrows weigh the exact same? Did you add weight in the arrows with lighter vanes so they match? If the TAC vane weighs 3gr and the next vanes weigh 8gr, did you add the extra grains to the arrows to make them match?
It looks like this wasn't caught before posting but we do have footage of the DCA through the biscuit. We will be making an updated post with the data asap!
Ive shot many whitetail with Shwacker 2 inch and always have a beautiful blood trail, 80% of those whitetail didn't even know they were hit they walked off 40 and fell over! Ive had many brands fail but never a Shwacker.
Interesting tests. I have always been leery of rage and deadmeats considering everything have seen in other tests and read. This just further confirms the risk in using them. I am sticking with Sevr and fixed. Plywood isn't consistent. They should have used mdf.
Wish they had done a spin rate test at distance. I want to know how fast they arrows are rotating at 20/40/60+... might learn something big about diminishing returns on flight performance and drop because of drag at distance... I shoot TAC like a lot of guys.would be awesome to see what the vanes are doing on those long bomb 100 yard shots. We just assume more spin =more stable, but at 100 yards, is that true?
When & if U get a chance do all these tests at long range with a 2 1/2 degree Helical 4 fletch all arrows, would really like to see a video come in the near future thanks
So great info but would like to see the Bohning heat vanes compared? Do you have anything comparing the 2.5" bohning heat vanes. Also do you have anything on valkyrie jaggereds
So do all of the arrows weight the same before fletching or after? You will need at add weight to the arrows for the differences in fletching. Did you reset the hooter shooter between each shot?
@tacvanes please help me understand the results on your drop test. From the video it looked like the TAC 2.75 3 fletch dropped the least, however your chart at the end indicates it dropped the most. I feel as though your numbers on the 75 yard marker that the arrows past were backward. And why did they not go to 12”? Appreciate it.
Thanks for the comment! The numbers on the chart only make sense with the video. The numbers are not relative to anything except each other and they are not saying how many inches the arrow dropped. So if you use the 2.75 as the base point (It crossed the gauge in the field at 9.2) then you can subtract the other numbers from 9.2 to figure out how many inches the other vanes dropped from the 2.75.
I loved the test but something you guys failed to address is the very small entry hole from the Swackers. So would I want 6 inches of penetration (no pass threw) with a 3 inch cut with a very small entry hole or a 1.25 cut with a pass threw. Two places for the animal to bleed out vs one small place. If I could get a pass threw with a Swacker 2 inch them I'm in. You guys didn't discuss blood trails and thats important. Appreciate the test though!!
exactly. seems like the cut on contact mechanicals disintegrated and didn't penetrate and if they did, they deflected massively. The ones that did hold together did so because they went through hide/bone as a field point before deploying. They may have had a large internal cut but they had a field point entry that'd be pretty well closed through hide. If these mechanicals arent going to pass to the other side and are closed at the entry hole (which may be high on the animal) then you're not going to get much blood compared to a cut on contact/cut on exit no?
I was thinking the same thing. Interesting slow mo footage, but really just confirms for me to stick with fixed broad heads. Unless I missed it they also didn't talk about how much more energy it takes to push a mech through hide compared to a cut on contact fixed head. Us short draw guys don't have energy to waist.
you still get a 1"+ entry hole with a swhacker, that is as large as a lot of fixed heads. if you got a proper kill shot, blood is going to be pouring out the mouth, if for some reason you didnt get a pass through.
Like someone else mentioned you are still getting a 1" entry hole compared to a maybe 1-1/4" hole? Most fixed are even smaller than that. But you are getting a lot bigger cut inside the animal which means its going to expire a lot faster. So even if you don't get a pass through the animal shouldn't go as far. I just started using Swhacker in the last couple years and I've shot 2 deer and both never made it 10 yards.
I can guarantee the hunter-fob will stabilize an arrow quicker than any 3 or 4 veins glued on fetching on the market. I'd be happy to send you some to test as long as you sign a non-compete and share all the data with the patent owner.
I am going to throw this out. I did have an instance when I shot a quartered away buck. The arrow entered 1.5 inches and the tail of the arrow spun around and kicked out. Take this for what it's worth. this may be one in a very few cases, but it did happen.
I’ll only shoot Ironwill broadheads, and get that pass through. I’ve known people to use the same Ironwill broad head for multiple years on multiple animals and always get completely clean pass throughs through scalps and ribs.
So archery season has started here in Oklahoma and I still haven’t seen a plywood deer walking around. I sure hope my broadheads can penetrate a real deer since they were never tested on plywood 😂😅
So the TAC 3 fletch 2.75 didn’t drop 9” inches right? I’m confused with the results from the 100 yard drop test. To me it looks like the DCA vane dropped the 9”.
Thanks for the comment! The numbers on the chart only make sense with the video. The numbers are not relative to anything except each other and they are not saying how many inches the arrow dropped. So if you use the 2.75 as the base point (It crossed the gauge in the field at 9.2) then you can subtract the other numbers from 9.2 to figure out how many inches the other vanes dropped from the 2.75.
What's weird is I see these tests done involving the nap killzone and they always sucks for these tests but I get awesome penetration and I have pictures of the rib cages of my deer with the 2in cut straight through both sizes of the rib cage and the blades are never bent I have a pile of these killzones in a dresser drawer that have been through deer not a single one is bent all are still for the most part sharp a few have some edge chatter stuff from hitting rocks or whatever in the dirt. The only killzone I had bend the blades literally cut the opposite side fron leg almost completely off a doe it was held on by a little skin so yea ofcourse that bent the blades. Idk man killzones work perfect in real world circumstances
But i have to say this is a great video i go back and forth from tac vanes to max stealth but after this video i will probably stick with tac 2.75 and an iron will head
As someone who has done tests for UA-cam before, I appreciate what you guys did and how you did it. You coulda done a lot of different things with a lot of different products…..that’s irrelevant. I appreciate what you did and what you did it with. Great info in this video
Really great camera work, and appreciate that you didn't go out of your way to trash your competitors. The video evidence was compelling enough. You also saved me some time--I really like the results I see from TAC vanes, but I also like to tinker and was going to try out the DCA vanes because they've been getting some positive reviews. This video was done so well that I know it's not really worth it--I have no reason to expect that I would get better results from DCA than I'm getting from TAC, or even as good performance as I'm seeing from TAC.
The one thing I took from this is the iron will out performed everything lol same size cut as the swacker went deeper in the gel but was cutting the whole time where the swacker only cut about 2 inches of gel so there for if you don't get a pass through with a swacker your blood trail is going to be not good
Ironwill all the way! only thing I’ll use!!
Love the Swhacker. The only broadhead we will ever use.
the iron will is leaps and bounds better then those LRP heads plus we not shooting plywood or gel not even close to a living animal. still great tests awesome to watch the arrow flight stuff thx..
1 issue with the torque test is where he is holding the shaft with his hand. Doesnt look like holding the shaft in hand is very controlled. Not bashing just pointing out my opinion on that part. Loved the video and thanks for putting in the time to do this for the people. I dont think people realize the actual time it takes to do these kind of test. #TACFTW!!!
Would've been nice to see a Sevr 2.0. I feel like it mightve been left out on puropse
The Sevr was most definitely not left out on purpose. We didn't know there were so many people shooting them right now, but we will work to make a follow up video.
@@tacvanesbeen in a cave?! By far the most popular from what I’ve seen
I think sevr is starting to grab more traction then rage because of some of the improvements for this style broadhead
Got my sevr in 2.0 to put them to use on my reign 6
I switched from a Rage Trypan, not because they didn't perform... Just everything the Rage does well, the Sevr does better!
I watched this video, and a few others and there’s been 1 thing in common with rage broadheads. 95% of the time half the blades don’t deploy all the way. I’m not saying you won’t kill a deer by any means but it’s something to consider when buying broadheads. I’m a huge Grim Reaper fan. Made in USA unlike Rage, razor sharp and leave a massive wound channel. Swacker is also one a few friends of mine use and have had success. Great video.
I wish they included the Sevrs in this test. Interesting how the blades closed back up after exiting the ribs.
logan.....it's physics...for every action there is equal reaction....on the rib only test there was no lung tissue to keep.pressure on the blades...SO as the arrow is slowing down the blades can swing forward. You will notice that in the gelatin tests the blades did not close
Makes sense. Thanks for the doing the test!
So why not test sevr against swhacker??
I wish they would have tested the sevr as well. I've bent several swhackers shooting through shoulders but I ain't ever bent a sevr. Makes you just wonder if it was on purpose that they only tested the other broadheads that are known to break to make it look better.
Agreed, not to mention the test is nice to watch, but doesn't replicate what the broadheads need to cut through to get to the meat.
Depending on the animal the hide could be the toughest part to cut through (think elk and it waay thicker than an antelope or whitetail) and then through the fascia which is like "chain mail" under the hide.
Bit of cherry picking comparisons and tests in my opinion.
1- Target: If you are shooting target, or 3d or long range target events i.e. TAC events. Then you maximize for the least weight and spin / drag you can use to make your arrow spin up and be accurate. This keeps velocity up and minimizes drop, while still having good enough accuracy. This has nothing to do with maximizing hunting with broadheads, fixed or mechanical. Target shooters have always shot lighter arrows, and smaller less drag inducing vane setups. No one in their right mind would take an Olympic arrow setup, put a fixed broadhead on it and hunt with it. But these tests are mixing and confusing the two styles of arrow setups.
2- Hunting: If you are looking to maximize hunting setups, then you need to look at how much drag do I need to stabilize and make my broadhead accurate. Here there is a major tradeoff and no perfect answer. More drag means more accuracy, and faster stabilization of the arrow. You then lose velocity faster, leading to more drop at longer ranges. Mechanicals will need less drag to shoot broadheads accurately, so that is the main advantage of a mechanical head in a hunting situation. The real comparison needs to be how do these TAC vanes do stabilizing a fixed broadhead compared to Blazers, DCA etc? That was not done, most likely on purpose cause the answer does not sell their products. The other thing that is important is 4 fletch vs 3. Is the additional drag and loss of velocity and rate of lost velocity (deceleration) worth the additional accuracy? Finding that sweet spot and if some of these newer CAD modeled vanes can get enough drag from 3 smaller vanes that's an advantage.
How did we get here?
We used to all shoot heavy aluminum arrows, with 4-6" feathers. Then vanes came along, and we shot again 4-5" vanes. Nearly everyone shot fixed broadheads. Very few stories from real world hunters about mysterious lack of penetration. Deflections, and hitting an animal but somehow no blood trail or it lived. The fast arrow, fast bow, light arrows, mechanicals, have all led to these new issues with less effective kill shots in my opinion.
Show accuracy of these vanes using a fixed broadhead at distance. That's what matters in hunting. And your older engineer guy let it slip. When you torque the bow, or yank the trigger, or are in an awkward position / stance, you need that additional spin up and drag to help you get that broadhead/ arrow back on track and now. That's what he knows matters. And I do too. The hooter shooter will never show that. But that is the real world variable which matters more then 15 grains of vanes or 30 grains of vanes etc. or 10% FOC vs 30% FOC.
Hunting arrows are to be maximized for accuracy at distance. Heavier arrows, vanes that create a lot of drag, fixed broad heads, arrow integrity are the key to maximizing hunting success. The ashby foundation has done the best job of laying out what matters to hunting arrows and broadheads. I just don't think extreme FOC matters as much cause it forces you to make too many comprises in the other variables to get the FOC that high.
I love Levi Morgan and he is the GOAT. But please don't intentionally mislead people about physics and engineering principals.
My thoughts exactly.
You know what I don't get? Why after you made this video all these guys with little bow channels start to critique your video? You're a pro, the best! I take what you say to heart like the bible.
Thank you for doing these tests and giving the viewer a basically unvarnished view of what occurred. It appeared to me that the Blazer vanes demonstrated a good combination of fast spin rate, while still maintaining good speed downrange (2nd in spin, 4th in drop). The TAC vanes are good and have a good reputation - but, based on the test, they likely need further refinement to be considered the best.
My biggest takeaway - When watching the penetration of the ribs in slow motion the force it takes to get the blades open causes a lot of arrow flex. It seems that with a mechanical we should be spining our arrows a little stiff and reducing rear weight to decrease flex & increase penetration.
Ashby foundation is in agreement!
I would love this to be done by an independent testing crew, that's all I have to say
This is why i have always used Swhackers!! And have been a fan for years!!
I went away from them for a couole of years and that was the dumbest thing i did ever!!
If your blade doesn't get through, that means there's an arrow plugging the entrance (which is smaller because the blades dont deploy until after the hide) so there's not much to bleed out of... That might make for a terrible blood trail. What are your thoughts on that scenario?
Very good point, "blade getting through", assuming you mean a pass thru on opposite side of entrance? If there isn't a pass thru all you would have is a hole the size of a field point on entrance side and arrow could be plugging hole. In this instance for sure the 3" cut works be more beneficial for kill shot w no blood imho...
The best broadhead test I’ve seen. And though I’ve not killed as much as you guys have I’ve killed a bunch. And the Rage Extreme original 2.0 has been my go to for years. The Hypodermic which everyone loves to test has always looked weak to me and I never ran them. But what you’re video shows of Swhacker opening after entry and saving the edge has my attention and o will blast some with them this fall.
Good video guys.
Been rocking blazers with a °3 for years. I've taken game with pass through from anywhere from 30-60+ yards.
Never pound the biscuit with something limp. Levi's dropping gems
Good testing. I wish the commentary wasn’t so heavily biased (but I understand you’re trying to sell your product). First hypothesis was that TAC vanes would spin up the fastest and that was important for arrow stabilization… results showed they actually spin up the slowest and the tune quickly changed to looking at drag/drop. Ultimately I agree the most important characteristic is groups, which showed undetectable differences. The whisker biscuit test is irrelevant for most serious shooters these days. Would be nice to see the same high speed footage with drop aways. And the results summarized at the end needs to be cleaned up some. Arrow drop test description is very confusing, and the schwacker vs. iron will numbers are definitely incorrect.
Bias was definitely clear.
They said the sooner you can get the arrow to spin the sooner it starts to stabilize the arrow. That’s not the same as spinning the fastest. However they didn’t really measure that, they measured one full rotation. The vanes generate different spin rates so measuring the distance to one full rotation doesn’t mean that vane started to spin first. Yes confusing.
What was wrong with the Iron will numbers?
I’d like to see a comparison of the 2.25” vs the 2.75” in a 3 vane configuration at 100 yards.
Great video randy. Swhacker 261s are amazing! Adding that curve to blade added some much more rigidity to blades with no sacrifice
Shot huge buck with one no blood no deer for a year found him rabbit hunting , 2 blade are not the way to go for me I'll only use 3 blade head now. G5 dead meat best broadhead in my opinion bow or crossbow they are the definition of lethal. Sorry Levi, like your show .
Love Swhacker broadheads many deer down and quick, best broadhead I've ever used IMHO, my previous fixed and mechanicals (and I have used several) they are officially retired. -W. Liggett
The best system i think any person could shoot is HIT insert, collar, and your broadhead of choice.
Great test! Just a suggestion, trying testing broadheads at distance (20,30,40 yards etc.)
Great info and footage! That was super cool to watch!
Would love to see an updated test with the shwackers, megameats, severs, and beast broadheads.... I'm going to run Megameats again this year, I'm considering shwackers now, as well as beasts. Need more data
I run Tac driver 2 inch 4 fletch on my 3d/field arrows, and Tac Driver 2.75 3 fletch on my indoor arrows, and I’ve had nothing but success with them. I am running bohning blazer 2” in a 4 fletch on my hunting arrows, and had no clue they had so much drag and flimsiness. I’m shooting a QAD imx rest, but it still makes me think I should change these vanes. Season is here this year, so I’ll leave it, but it looks like I’ll be running Tacs on all of my arrow setups from here on out. Great test! I’d like to see the test on a fixed blade broadhead as well. In my case, the QAD exodus
Thanks y’all! Good work
Thanks guys
Great footage and content, i'll definitely give the Schwackers a try...
Regards to Levi from South Africa
There was some useful information shared here regarding the vanes, components, and broadheads.
Which Flex Fletch vanes were used in testing?
Was the Grim Reaper the Micro Hades Pro?
In the final broadhead test, would the 3" Shwaker have a full pass-through compared to the Iron Will? I am not so sure, especially on a big-body deer. In my experience, an entrance and exit hole provides a better blood trail than an arrow that has not passed through the animal, especially if the arrow stays in the entrance hole.
If there will be a follow-up mechanical broadhead test. As others have mentioned, it would be nice to see the SEVR along with the JEKYLL & HYDE heads.
In the torque test, I would like to see the Valkyrie, Iron Will, and Podium components tested.
I use TAC drivers on my hunting arrows. the 2.75 steer my Grizzlystick single bevels the best. As for components the better the metal (SS or Titanium) and the longer the insert the stronger your setup. If you can put the lateral force farther into the shaft the better. Most arrow components are stronger than any aluminum farrell on a broadhead of any kind. Good flight, sharp broadheads, and arrow integrity..... Where have I heard this before? Dr. Ashby. It's not just about heavy arrows.
Are you running the Massai heads or the Samurai?
That’s an interesting cross section of a cervidae. In Oklahoma our deer have OSB under the hide instead of plywood. 😂
we did shoot the DCA thru the biscuit....it was really ugly...not sure why it wasnt included in the final cut but I am sure we can dig up a still shot from the video
For my longrange arrow set up:
TAC vanes hands down.
Az ez fletching jig.
2.0" 3 fletch.
My best results for long range.
Max helical.. but... smaller vanes. 2" instead of 2.75"
nobody gonna talk about how the shwacker blades only cut 3in before the arrow stops penetrating? seems silly for them to not even fairly review the clear results
The distance is only relevant when compared to the other heads. Its ballistics gel so it will never be realistic, but it is a consistent medium. The only real question is how did the other BH's do and even that is a stretch since its largely anecdotal evidence.
Very interesting. For the next used Bohning Heat 2,5", are stiffer than Bohning Blazer. And other cuestion, why you used a Elite Bow and no a Mathews bow? Thanks.
I wanted to see the heat vanes and the x vanes as well, and also wondered why they used an elite.
Probably cause it wasn't Levi's bow lol. It was probably one of the other guys bow and that's what they had on hand and it shouldn't matter anyway. Elite is every bit as good a bow as Mathews or any of the other flagships.
Would also have liked to see the 4 fletch heat
Elite is a much better bow than Matthews. Matthews is bottom third in quality but tops in marketing budget. I mean, they have to pay people off to shoot their bows. Just think about that. Perception beats reality.
@@cjr4497 I used for long time Elite. GT500, Answer and E35. Best draw cicle and let- off in the market. Also used Obsession Evolution and Defcon6. But now using Mathews V3X 33" to compit and for hunting VXR 31,3. I like change a prove a new brands.
Dem blazers “pound the biscuit” lol
Joking aside, thanks for taking the time to put out a great video with lots of interesting data!
Great video. I would have loved to see the spin rates post recovery. Eg the 3 vein TAC recovered in 5 ft but was rotating at X at 40 yards vs a competitor rotating at Y at 40 might give some interesting data as to how stable that arrow would be at later distances.
Are y’all going to share the results in a public google sheet for people to look at the data?
Thanks for a great video.
When comparing the Swhacker to the Iron Will, you fail to mention that the Iron Will is cutting on impact and creating an entrance wound the width of the broadhead while the Swhacker does not open until it reaches the internals of the animal. Thus, there is not much of an entrance wound if any other than the width of the ferrule. If you don't get a complete pass through, then you are counting on your entrance hole to provide the bloodletting trail.
It cuts from 1+ inches on entrance….
You should sell these vanes in UK and rest of world for target archers! First half of video is really helpful for targets archery.
I know this video was 10 months ago. But iron will Bill just did an incredible study of arrow veins. I would highly recommend Levi and the gang check it out. There was some fascinating information in there including the fact that spin rate has nothing to do with arrow stabilization. Nor does it have more or less drag on an arrow. Don’t get me wrong, I shot TAC veins last hunting season and had great luck with them. But I do think there’s a lot of misinformation in this video. I absolutely love the high speed footage though. Especially the whisker biscuit stuff.
Great video! Curious as to what these vanes do with offsets and helical, obviously left or right depending on string twist and natural bow spin direction. But that is something that I would be really interested in!!
The drop measurement is interesting but less useful than speed at the target. Because the fletchings all have different mass, the arrow's center of gravity will change, thus altering the arrow's angle of attack, which changes aerodynamics in flight.
Very well done video. Fun to watch the testing. But I would like to know why you guys drop the DCA after the drop test. It would’ve been nice to see how that performed and recovered through a whisker biscuit. I assume performed better than the TAC vanes since you dropped it.
Thanks for the kind words @UplandFisher - We had a couple other subscribers mention this to us and we realized we missed it in the edit but did have the footage from testing. We made a short with the results so check that out here: ua-cam.com/users/shortscO4LBAJBrxo?si=P759Oz0m2OneZkF7
Interesting video, but really dont like hearing in one part they reused the broadhead and stayed sharp. As one reshootd broadheads then blades can bend break more do some companies products might then look worse, just thoughts by me
I dont like that the shwackers dont open until they are inside the target...hmmmm
Swacker has to do best because they are the broadhead that deploys AFTER it blows through the plywood, the blades are protected from the initial impact the only drawback with swacker is a poor entry hole, I do love tac vanes and won't shoot any other. The ol'plywood test will just about destroy any cut on contact broadhead most of the time.
They still make a 1" entry hole. I've had great luck with them for the last ten years.
That’s how is done. Proving your claims with hard evidence. Good job guys.
I'm in the camp with wishing you'd tested TAC 2.75 in 4 vane 90* configuration, and also let the Sevr 1.5 or any other Sevr's into the comparison of mechanicals.
I have noticed the drop in other vanes vs tac vanes when testing with broadheads specifically...my issue with the tac vanes is how much memory they have after passing through something. I will say TAC's customer service is outstanding as I was having some issues and they reached out multiple times in a timely manner.
I've found it to be the opposite. I can shoot a tac vane into a bag target and have it get stuck and come out all bent and put it in the back of my quiver and after about 5 minutes it's ready to go again. I will say if they get creased then it won't come back as good. But they still do better than the blazers I used to shootn
Agreed, I swapped from Blazers about 3-4 months ago and the tac vanes are holding up a whole lot better from practice. The blazers would get bent very easily.
Levi, I have a question. After watching the Shoot through Whisker rest on the video, I noticed 0 rotation from the string. Do you still think Clocking arrows matters, after watching that?
question: when you say the arrows all weigh the same. Is that pre fletching or post fletching? I'm curious if the drop test is just showing that the vanes are lighter or if the weights of the arrows were the same when fletched to show the aerodynamic properties. Thank you in advance for your reply.
Would have liked to see you incorporate the swhacker #252 in this test. Great video thanks for the information. I will be trying something other than blazers after seeing this. 👍
I would like to see a quartering away shot added. Perfectly square shots are not always possible. Hide ,ribs and then slice the gel to match angle of entry.
So are you saying a slower rotation arrow will carry longer than a faster spinning arrow because of less drag? I taught you want the arrow to rotate faster to stabilize the arrow quicker which return gives you better arrow flight.
Also would like to see dorge’s firenock aerovanes.
Thanks for the great demonstration!! Learned a lot very informative Thanks 👍👍👍👍
Id really like to see these stack up to sevrs.
The Sevr was most definitely not left out on purpose. We didn't know there were so many people shooting them right now, but we will work to make a follow up video.
I’m still picking the Blazer… every time.
not sure what im suppose to think on those megameats. with the 2 ribs one, u shot the megameat and showed it went thru the ribs very good, then shot another right after and showed it didnt open right and showed it as the megameat...
Are you comparing equal stiffness vanes as some mfg's make different stiffness vanes? Excellent video for data geeks. I think that broad head test should be done at 50yds to see more variability.
The only thing about the swacker not opening until it’s inside the animal if you don’t get a pass through is your not gonna have a good blood trail because it’s like a field tip going in but swackers are good if you get a pass through because the blades are opened going through the opposite side
Exactly, I shot Swackers for a while and a quartering away shots are dangerous because that off shoulder often stops the arrow, poor blood trails is why I switched to Trypan's and haven't had that issue again. to Swackers credit they are the most reusable mechanical broadhead, I killed 4 deer with the same head a few years ago.
the entry hole is always 1 1/4" minimum....same as most of these fixed 2 blade heads. not just a field point hole
you have a MUCH better chance of getting a pass through with a swhacker, as it doesn't waste energy cutting a large high side entry entry hole through fur, skin and ribs, that aint going to bleed out anyway, i would much rather conserve my energy for the low side exit hole that is going to bleed out. i have used the 1.75" swhacker (the most durable model) for the past few years and have never not had a pass through and my arrow buried deep in the dirt. if for some reason you didn't get a pass through, blood is going to be coming out of the deers mouth if you got a proper kill shot. none of the deer or turkey i have shot with swhackers have made it out of my eyesight, so i have never needed a blood trail, but there always has been one.
@@yourmomma2995 Exactly. I just recently started using Swhacker and I've shot 2 deer and both dropped right away. I didn't even need a blood trail. Both were with the 3" 150gr. I'm trying the 2.5" 125gr Levi Morgan's this year to see how they do.
Do you think you should perform accuracy test with a person shooting? To see how the vanes may help correct any outside force?
Anyone ever had issues with the shrink bands that hold Swhacker closed
So you say the arrows weigh the exact same? Did you add weight in the arrows with lighter vanes so they match? If the TAC vane weighs 3gr and the next vanes weigh 8gr, did you add the extra grains to the arrows to make them match?
Is there a reason they didn’t show the DCA go through the whisker biscuit?
thats what im wondering... They compared everything else but they are leaving out data... Why? You already had the arrows on hand.
It looks like this wasn't caught before posting but we do have footage of the DCA through the biscuit. We will be making an updated post with the data asap!
150 grain schwacker deflected down very hard
Here is the DCA through the whisker biscuit. ua-cam.com/users/shortscO4LBAJBrxo
I hit a deer rib square on with a 3" 150 gr swhacker. Blew straight through the rib, double lung, passed through. I'll never use any other broadhead!
Incredible video thank you for doing this
Something that everyone has wanted to do but don’t have the resources
Ive shot many whitetail with Shwacker 2 inch and always have a beautiful blood trail, 80% of those whitetail didn't even know they were hit they walked off 40 and fell over! Ive had many brands fail but never a Shwacker.
Good test and good video with good info loved it.
Interesting tests. I have always been leery of rage and deadmeats considering everything have seen in other tests and read. This just further confirms the risk in using them. I am sticking with Sevr and fixed. Plywood isn't consistent. They should have used mdf.
Was wondering what helical and fletching jig they used.. or did I miss that part??
All the arrows were fletched with a Bitzenburger Jig, with a left helical clamp. They're all at 2.5° left helical
Wish they had done a spin rate test at distance. I want to know how fast they arrows are rotating at 20/40/60+... might learn something big about diminishing returns on flight performance and drop because of drag at distance... I shoot TAC like a lot of guys.would be awesome to see what the vanes are doing on those long bomb 100 yard shots. We just assume more spin =more stable, but at 100 yards, is that true?
They did test the drop though. So we have a good idea
When & if U get a chance do all these tests at long range with a 2 1/2 degree Helical 4 fletch all arrows, would really like to see a video come in the near future thanks
So great info but would like to see the Bohning heat vanes compared? Do you have anything comparing the 2.5" bohning heat vanes. Also do you have anything on valkyrie jaggereds
Definitely an informative Video great work!
So do all of the arrows weight the same before fletching or after? You will need at add weight to the arrows for the differences in fletching. Did you reset the hooter shooter between each shot?
You should take my Mangle EXP and run with it since I stopped selling them. Best of both worlds. Two blades open on impact and two open inside.
@tacvanes please help me understand the results on your drop test. From the video it looked like the TAC 2.75 3 fletch dropped the least, however your chart at the end indicates it dropped the most. I feel as though your numbers on the 75 yard marker that the arrows past were backward. And why did they not go to 12”? Appreciate it.
Thanks for the comment! The numbers on the chart only make sense with the video. The numbers are not relative to anything except each other and they are not saying how many inches the arrow dropped. So if you use the 2.75 as the base point (It crossed the gauge in the field at 9.2) then you can subtract the other numbers from 9.2 to figure out how many inches the other vanes dropped from the 2.75.
whats interesting is you guys are using Firenocks patent but didn't want to include AVII or III in the test
Love the video. The torque test is basically useless, and bias word "slight bend" vs "very slight bed" adds to my point.
I loved the test but something you guys failed to address is the very small entry hole from the Swackers. So would I want 6 inches of penetration (no pass threw) with a 3 inch cut with a very small entry hole or a 1.25 cut with a pass threw. Two places for the animal to bleed out vs one small place. If I could get a pass threw with a Swacker 2 inch them I'm in. You guys didn't discuss blood trails and thats important. Appreciate the test though!!
exactly. seems like the cut on contact mechanicals disintegrated and didn't penetrate and if they did, they deflected massively. The ones that did hold together did so because they went through hide/bone as a field point before deploying. They may have had a large internal cut but they had a field point entry that'd be pretty well closed through hide. If these mechanicals arent going to pass to the other side and are closed at the entry hole (which may be high on the animal) then you're not going to get much blood compared to a cut on contact/cut on exit no?
I was thinking the same thing. Interesting slow mo footage, but really just confirms for me to stick with fixed broad heads. Unless I missed it they also didn't talk about how much more energy it takes to push a mech through hide compared to a cut on contact fixed head. Us short draw guys don't have energy to waist.
you still get a 1"+ entry hole with a swhacker, that is as large as a lot of fixed heads. if you got a proper kill shot, blood is going to be pouring out the mouth, if for some reason you didnt get a pass through.
Like someone else mentioned you are still getting a 1" entry hole compared to a maybe 1-1/4" hole? Most fixed are even smaller than that. But you are getting a lot bigger cut inside the animal which means its going to expire a lot faster. So even if you don't get a pass through the animal shouldn't go as far. I just started using Swhacker in the last couple years and I've shot 2 deer and both never made it 10 yards.
@@wesr1490 what cutting diameter was it?
So whats the answer for a very small entry hole if you dont get a pass through
a 1"+ hole is small? thats what the wing blades alone are. as large as a lot of fixed heads.
I can guarantee the hunter-fob will stabilize an arrow quicker than any 3 or 4 veins glued on fetching on the market. I'd be happy to send you some to test as long as you sign a non-compete and share all the data with the patent owner.
I am going to throw this out. I did have an instance when I shot a quartered away buck. The arrow entered 1.5 inches and the tail of the arrow spun around and kicked out.
Take this for what it's worth. this may be one in a very few cases, but it did happen.
In your opinion how would a 3 fletch with the tac driver 2.25 hold in there amongst the others?
Great video !!!! Not surprised on the DCA’s … did’t want to say it but you guys did ✅✅✅✅🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’ll only shoot Ironwill broadheads, and get that pass through. I’ve known people to use the same Ironwill broad head for multiple years on multiple animals and always get completely clean pass throughs through scalps and ribs.
So archery season has started here in Oklahoma and I still haven’t seen a plywood deer walking around. I sure hope my broadheads can penetrate a real deer since they were never tested on plywood 😂😅
That Megameat looks open before it even got to the rib???
I would have like to see Sevr in this contest. Why did you not use them?
Great video, but have you seen any of the SEVR performance/torture tests on UA-cam? They are no joke, need to do some more research.
Pretty impressive test..
If Shwacker made a 1.75” with a Titanium ferrule….😳 Game over
Are they all the same weight fletched or the same arrow weight pre fletched
I give it to you on having one of if not the best mechanical broad heads. But I still wouldn't trade my fixed blades.
Never had a Megameat open in flight. Never use the one I practice with. Lol but still a cool test.
So the TAC 3 fletch 2.75 didn’t drop 9” inches right? I’m confused with the results from the 100 yard drop test. To me it looks like the DCA vane dropped the 9”.
Thanks for the comment! The numbers on the chart only make sense with the video. The numbers are not relative to anything except each other and they are not saying how many inches the arrow dropped. So if you use the 2.75 as the base point (It crossed the gauge in the field at 9.2) then you can subtract the other numbers from 9.2 to figure out how many inches the other vanes dropped from the 2.75.
What's weird is I see these tests done involving the nap killzone and they always sucks for these tests but I get awesome penetration and I have pictures of the rib cages of my deer with the 2in cut straight through both sizes of the rib cage and the blades are never bent I have a pile of these killzones in a dresser drawer that have been through deer not a single one is bent all are still for the most part sharp a few have some edge chatter stuff from hitting rocks or whatever in the dirt. The only killzone I had bend the blades literally cut the opposite side fron leg almost completely off a doe it was held on by a little skin so yea ofcourse that bent the blades. Idk man killzones work perfect in real world circumstances
But i have to say this is a great video i go back and forth from tac vanes to max stealth but after this video i will probably stick with tac 2.75 and an iron will head
Great video
Would love to see the tac matrix in the mixe with the other vanes.