Baldurs Gate 3 - Why You Should KILL KARLACH (Devil's Advocate)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this video, we're going to explore why you should kill Karlach in Baldur's Gate 3. We'll be looking at this through the lens of a devil's advocate - since sparing and recruiting her is the obvious good choice. There are some compelling gameplay and roleplaying reasons to kill Karlach and fulfill the will of the Blade of Frontiers (Wyll).
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Leave it to Dan to be play the absolute worst person in a game so I never have to. Thanks Dan. 😆
dumb video
Absolute worst? The Dark Urge begs to differ. I mean, it gives you the option to chop of Gale's hand instead of pulling him from the portal, i bet there is some gruesome option with Karlach as well.
@@nesorrett TBH, Dark Urge is actually the best character because it ties in best to the game's real villain: Baal
@@nesorrett Killing the baby Owl-bear is easily worst that just choping a hand.
@@roftarExactly, I myself prefer his redemption.
The blood war is Devils vs Demons. In a weird way its actually beneficial for the material realm as it distracts two groups of horrible creatures. If the eternal war ever ended it would be devastating for humanity.
That's what made Zariel swap sides. But isn't exactly true. Material plane is invaded by both anyway.
With one of them dead and gone, the celestials would only need to fight one and would easily win.
@@UltimosGabriel Thats only partially true. With either side dead and gone the other can focus their efforts on an actually invasion. Devils could spend more time making deals and amassing power until the celestials couldnt stop them, including making more corrupted celestials and putting themselves into positions that undermine efforts to stop them. Demons however would just flood the material plan with nearly endless hordes of respawning monstrosities. The Blood War is actually good for Humanity as it limits the number of Demons that can run free and eats up Devil resources, both with little to no outside intervention
Yup. It's like the only thing that keeps them in check and prevents them from destroying the multiverse. 😂
@@UltimosGabriel , actually, the Celestials have never been interested in the level of sheer destruction and chaos and death (including permanent death of souls) that would ensue if the Celestials attacked the Lower Planes. That is why the Celestials have allowed the Blood War to continue, eon after eon. It is the greater good.
@@UltimosGabriel The celestials tried fighting the demons alone, they were corrupted and became the devils (who continue the fight) so to say they'd easily win against either isn't really true as they lost against one already, and there were a lot less demons back then. The demons essentially have infinite numbers and they mostly fight amongst themselves. When it spills into other lower planes the devils push back. For it to end someone would have to unite the demons, and there just isn't anyone with near the power to do that.
There is actually another dialogue option with the paladins. If you have Karlach in your party but instead of taking her into the house let her wait outside, the Paladin will again try to persuade you. If you lie and say that you haven't met Karlach and believe him, he mocks Karlach for her poor choice of allies and pulls his blade in the name of Zariel as apperently there are scouts nearby, which have seen you.
Either way this causes your paladin to become an oath breaker as warriors of the light do not associate themselves with demons, no matter how good the demon’s intentions are.
@@Unchainedful yup, i didn't know what broke my paladin's oath, but after figuring out, i'm no more using paladin
@@tensongo3944lol you can either be an oath breaker which is kinda lame, or you can play the game the way it’s supposed to be played
Didn’t break my oath. Attacked on sight Karlach asked for vengeance we took vengeance
@@PokemonTrainerChris303oathbreaker is not at all lame lol
Karlach is just the coolest group member I've met so far and damn is she a beast in combat. Killing her is really a bad choice if you don't want to go a really evil route.
My Holly Paladin Kill Her ;-) Not Evil But blind
i didnt want to kill her but.. the druids killed the little girl with the snake so i killed the druids and war broke out and a lot of ppl died.. i didnt kill any teefling but karlach wanted nothing to do with me and only would fight me.
I killed her but only because everybody told me to and I legit thought she was a baddie! I just wanted to help my boy Wyl out
Nah, she's annoying. Murdered her and never looked back.
@@KevinCourbet Your loss...
I love Karlach. She's just so damn likable. I can't kill her. She sat down beside my PC in camp last night, told her what a good friend she was and then proclaimed "I wanna ride you till you see stars", lol. I burst out laughing and thought, well that escalated quickly.
Definetly written by nerds for nerds
@@shranikenits a nerd vídeo for nerd people, so, what are you doing here?
@@jamesd.brionesp.6705 we call those people "clueless" :D
I swear half the time it's just sex joke after sex joke in this game
I like Karlach too, but that really came out of no where. I think prior to that the only interest my custom character had shown was an initial 'I still can't touch you' after the first repair of her Infernal Engine. But then, all the companions are ready to drop pants at the drop of a hat in this game.
Wow, you just explained in detail why it’s a terrible idea to kill Karloch. Her death isn’t worth a “I’ve been to Hell” T-Shirt. At least now I know.
but then she dies or goes back to hell to survive.
The interaction between Karlach and Wyll changed my mind. I was originally going into this cold and planning an evil playthrough but then this shit happened and I'm like "Damn...I can't do it". The idea of the woman (who is admittedly a total muscle mommy) who is literally going through hell to be able to do more than just survive but to LIVE is done with A+ writing and then we have Wyll who looks at that and goes "If I let her live then I'm fucked but this is the right thing to do so fucking bring it on bitch"! This showed Wyll wasn't just a pompous ass with an ego but that he genuinely is trying to do the right thing and is willing to take the hit if needs be. Gotta respect that energy.
@seanmccord1411i agre, they try hard to make the player like her
@@Nokipanthey do ? I found her extremely annoying and killed her the first moment I met her lol
@seanmccord1411Don't you mean "She's fucking likeable but her writing is motherfucking Reddit tier"
Some day, I will do another good play through where I actually keep Wyll and Karlach in the party together so I get to see more of their dynamic. Alas, I'm playing a swords bard, and there's only room for one melee/charisma caster hybrid build in this party. So step aside Wyll for Gale and his massive spellbook.
@seanmccord1411personally, I find Wyll's dialogue to be kinda cringe, but Karlach's to be more genuinely chaotic good dumpster fire.
While I am planning to have multiple playthrough of this game where I roleplay characters with different "views on things" yeah, nah there will never be a playthrough where I kill Karlach 😂
Based
Same, she's perfect
I mean there is one where I kill every NPC
Its my first one and well...to late
So far, the way I've been doing it on subsequent playthroughs is to kill off the redundant companion. For example, if I'm playing the spell caster, I don't need Gale so I either find a way to kill him safely or, I leave him for dead in the portal. If I'm a Rogue, then I either don't recruit Astarion or first chance I get to kill him, I do. That kind of thing.
So, If I do a playthrough sometime where *I'm* the Barbarian, I'd probably kill her off then, but idk. Karlach might be the one exception to this rule lol. 😅
6:43 Well, to be fair Dan. Their is a massive difference between working for an extremely evil mortal man, and working for a literal Devil that has the ability to torture your soul and body for eternity if you refuse to cooperate.
Plus, like the game says, she escaped the first chance she had, and also was dedicated to changing and becoming better, so I don’t think that’s reason enough to kill her.
I would also like to add there is a significant difference to "following orders" to enable the holocaust and other atrocities Nazi Germany committed, and "following orders" to kill demons. The comparison Dan makes is trite as hell.
Also, the "Paladins" of Tyr are lying.
100% on the 'Paladins' of Tyr are lying comment. Use speak to dead on the corpses in the building with the paladins and around it.
@@aleccaldas8616Another difference between the Nuremberg trials and Karlach is that those were the leaders of the Nazi government and were essentially trying to play “pin the blame on Hitler” to get out of their own role in the holocaust and war, of which they had much personal agency in undertaking.
No. It's not different. Comically, Karlach is damned. And she should be damned by any playthrough where your character is uninterested in redemption arcs.
@@SamBrockmann Sure, she’s damned, but that doesn’t stop her from trying to be a better person and dedicating what time she has to others.
She’s an inspiration in my book.
Fun fact, if you play as tiefling with the subrace of zariel you also can tell he is lying
You can also tell if you're a Paladin.
"And I think I heard her shouting the 'N' word!" had my dying 🤣
Luckily she's red and not human so she can say it
If you really want to be evil there's more to be done with her
You can romance her, convince her to turn herself into a mindflayer to fight the absolute and in the 11'th hour, turn on her to dominate said absolute. She turned herself into a mind flayer for nothing
You don't have to guess the motives of the "paladins" hunting Karlach. Use Talk with the Dead on the corpse in the tollhouse, just beside the lady merchant, and you'll know who and what they are.
And what are they telling?
Something more?
@@jackwriter1908You don't mind spoilers? Just in case there are others who don't wanna get spoiled
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Using Speak with the Dead on the corpse reveals that they are cultists that worship Zariel, and not paladins, as they claim. This means they're lying about who they are and what they are doing. "Dead men tell no tales" doesn't apply to Faerun.
@@passerby5 hm, I guess I have to pick up speak with dead from somewhere...
That and Speak with Animals... those are two spells I would love to have in that game.
@@jackwriter1908 don't wanna spoil too much, except that the devs really want players to talk to corpses, so the spell is given to you pretty early in a quest.
You don't even need to speak with dead if you talk to the paladins eventually they'll reveal the truth
Hoes are temporary
Drip is eternal
This is the only solid argument I've read so far lol
Ok you got me I'll kill Karlach
You do realize that fake paladin of Tyr actually serves Zariel right?
To prove it you can make few checks to read his mind or detect that he is a lying. So, Karlach is honest with that they are fake paladins.
@@DmitriyIDKYour paladin oath also isn’t broken when you kill them
@@DmitriyIDKor use the pendant to speak to the dead.
If your PC is a Paladin, Tyr himself tells you that the other "paladin" is a fake.
@@snappycenter7863Lol, I managed to fail that roll... Did succeed the insight roll, tho. (Kinda sad I did not get to have divine intervention)
I'd love it of you were to make more videos about unusual choices that most people wouldn't make.
I had to kill her because she refused to join me hahaha. I really wanted to play with her, sadly will have to wait until I finish my 1st & start my 2nd playthrough
@@aguytimo She's the loneliest girl this side of hell... how did you manage to give her the "hell no get away from me" vibe?
@@murdurmuffin7872 If you're stupid and become hostile with the druids in the grove, she won't join you apparently.
Me reading the title:
*No. I don't think I will.*
you can still have her as a companion if you kill her. just carry her severed head around with you and talk to her whenever you want.
"Hail the blade" are you serious mate ?
I've accidentally found Karlach without Wyll in party (of course I've met him during the goblin ambush, but then just sent to the camp). I've sent Karlach to the camp as well. And guess what -- once I've went to the camp, they had a similar "I should kill you" scene, but when I convinced Wyll to spare Karlach nothing happened with Wyll. Probably Mizora shows up only if Wyll is in the party, or his quest was initiated. But here both Karlach and Wyll were just chilling at the camp.
bro never rested
You can use detect thoughts on Anders to find out the truth
Spoiler alert:
he's lying about best girl
Did you try killing Karlach, stuffing her body in a bag, and bringing her back to the camp. Get the reward for killing her and after your patron leaves you revivify her? Curious if Larian allows that. You technically met the letter of the deal…
If you kill a companion as part of the story, you can't revify them anymore.
You can only revify companions who die in battle with you as long as it is not scripted.
i killed her before i attacked her and had accendetly killed the ones in the village to so after looting her and finding a revive on her i decided to try ress her and she talked to me like nothing had happened. maybe it could be done later if you just dont talk to her before killing her
@@holymacarony85 You and me did the same thing lol. I didn’t realize she was a playable character and after initiating combat, she didn’t attack at all. Then I saw the PC items on her body and felt like crap. Idk if you can go back to her after Wyll’s encounter so he doesn’t get transform. I doubt it, but would be neat
Now that is proper D&D Thinking and not BG3 thinking
They used to allow something similar (kill her, tell someone, secretly revive her, then long rest), but it was patched out. Not sure why.
The cold calculus is Wyll's drip doesn't supersede Karlach's hotness.
nice pun!
Any sorlock benefits more from killing her. She's just a fighter waiting to be reclassed anyways >=]
You forgot the best part. Literally slicing her head in an epic cutscene to prove to the pallys you killed her. It was great on my evil playthrough :D
I took her head the moment I saw her - greetings from a Vengeance Paladin.
Waiting for him to do a Dark Urge one. That's an absolutely nuts playthrough.
so much death and abandonment. im running out of companions on my urge char. I just wish they made urge only options a different color so you know if it is different to normal
@@jpeg.jordaan I believe they're the ones in Italitcs, usually at the top and involving violence in some capacity. I've never seen them on my non dark urge characters, so I think thats them.
maybe, I cant recall if i had them on my custom char because side lined it. ill check again next time i play @@climax050
One of the first times that someone was a literal devils advocate....
In The Devil and Daniel Webster(1936) a lawyer defends a sinner who has sold his soul to Satan. He argues against the 'righteous' decision from both ends of the argument.
@@Zayphar I’ma have to look that up
@@Zayphar ☝🤓
"Karlach is a tiefling..."
That's it, no extra reason needed to kill her.
Posting this with the thumbnail this early on is kinda lame in my opinion.
What? You can literally see Karlach in the character creation
@@JetsoverI mean my 1st play through I thought karlach was gonna be a boss for sure, then UA-cam had to spoil it. But hey that’s what I get. I don’t spoil everything and truth be told I don’t even mind spoilers most of the time, but for this, don’t spoil it.
Karlach best girl and best companion.
You're gonna love looking back on yourself using the term "drip" in about 5 years. Yeah... THAT'LL age well. It'll be really fly. Totally awesome. Righteous, my dude. You smell what I'm cookin', home boy? Fad speak is like, totally grody to the max. ::::sigh::::
Be quiet boomer
He is a liar the bowl cut guy, I used mind reading.
Honestly the robe is actually pretty cool, but what bothers me most is having Wyll no longer be human. A tragic faith brought down to him rather early in the story.
I like Karlach just as much as every other characters. But to me it’s gonna be two campaigns; one with Wyll and one with Karlach (And tiefling Wyll).
Oh you should see them together! He learns a bit of empathy and grows as a character
Oh you should see them together! He learns a bit of empathy and grows as a character
Hm... is therea chance to kill her, get the robes and then somehow revive her?
@@johnsimpson7607 He doesn't "learn" empathy. He's a 100% good guy from the start
@@kolosmenus why did you put learn in quotes? You don’t think people can learn empathy? He wasn’t 100% good at the start, because he was hunting Karlach. How far into the game have you gotten?
Her head lives in my inventory as a throwing weapon. It ain't a great weapon, but it does the job when I need it to.
Ultra barbarian shit man😂😂😂
@@postum_yt she mildly insulted Grunk, the Half-Orc Barbarian. He was not happy.
Made me laugh love this
Karlach is so wholsesome and lovable. Fast became my new favorite character.
Shes hot too.
Funny, found her annoying right from the get go. Murdered her and never looked back.
Killed em cause they got hostile after they made a big fuss about me destroying the village. That update sure made her more hostile.
With the mention of The Blood War, I wanted a cameo appearance of The Nameless One from Planescape
And Irenicus - The end like this?!!!
@@Kirill_Fedorov1970
How awesome would it have been to get a Cameo from Jon also
yeah @@mr7oclock346
Big Dan's profile pic looks like a Windows '95 mascot/serial killer living in his parents' basement.
I think he would agree that's a fair assessment.
I hate that the evil approach to this is so rewarding from an early stand point but the armour you get most likely will fall off anyway so its a 50/50 maybe even slightly in favour of recruiting her
Seems pretty in tune with evil overall. Great short-term rewards, sh*tty long-term plan for you.
To be fair, a "good" "non-grove raid" playthrough gives you enough companions that you can miss one or two.
Buuuut of course you'd miss out on the most adorable goofball this game has to offer.
I'm one of the rare people who can't stand Karlach, so I either kill her or ignore her on every playthrough.
She usually stays in my camp for the game
She's horribly written. Her personality makes no sense considering her background and her dialog is like nails on a chalk board.
Unless it's been patched, you can kill Karlach, have your visit from Mizora, and revive karlach's body and play on. You might need to revive her first, but it still treats her as being killed for Wyll's purposes.
How can you hate Karlach? SHE JUST WANTS A HUG!!! My absolute favorite companion.
Maybe some headpats?
she's such a sweet girl why would you kill her? lol, and he is lying, you cna talk to the dead around there, the people there were killed by those guys, in combination of knolls and goblins.
Way ahead of you
Her fate was sealed when I saw that side cut
She gives me a typical Woke She-Hulk vibe, her personality was disruptive to my immersion in the story.
My second playthrough was with a murderous Dark Urge Monk and I'm pretty sure that if you destroy the Grove, both Wyll and Karlach will leave (maybe not Karlach but Wyll definitely). So I took the opportunity to kill Karlach so that Wyll gets the armor from Mizora and I stole the armor and put it on my monk (who is still wearing it now into Act 3) before Wyll left my party. I was also interested in seeing Minthara's story so the Grove kind of had to go and worked out since I was playing Dark Urge anyway. That said though, I definitely like Karlach, I might do another playthrough with her on my team, I definitely felt bad for killing her, especially knowing what kind of character she was beforehand.
My man, I've done EXACTLY the same thing. Only thing is I romanced her in my first playthrough, so taking her head was slike chopping an onion
DUDE IM STILL CONFUSE, IM ABOUT TO LOAD GAME AND LOAD MORE JST FOR THINK THE BEST
Wyll was an idiot and got what he deserved. There is literally no reason to kill her and plenty to keep her alive.
As someone who just finished up my Dark Urge playthrough I do gotta say, keep Karlach alive, and see what you can do to her right at the end of the game instead 😁
I’m playing dark urge too. Did you give into the urges or try to fight them?
Can you please tell me what happens? I want spoilers
@@pauldiamond1583 spoiler warning.
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dark urge = bhaalspawn aka spiritual decendant of BG 1-2 protagonist, you have a unique backstory and you gotta murder to get stronger and unlock exclusive content , cutscenes and endings. For example in ACT 2 if murder with the dark urge option the cleric who puts the sanctuary shield from darkness you unlock your demonic SLAYER form and thats overpowered and scary/awesome looking as hell. but remember, your companions can potentially backstab you cause who wants to party with a psychopathic bhaalspawn.
@@johnsimpson7607 I mixed it up a little to not get the good guys to turn on me. Lots of emotional manipulation for sure. But yes, in the end I did give in to the urge :D
@@HookahOtaku Oh that's not even the juicy part, what you do to Karlach in the end of the game is just pure evil.
"I was just following orders," didn't work in Nuremberg because the Nazis on trial were free to dissent and instead participated. Black soldiers that participated on behalf of the CSA in the American Civil War were not tried for their military actions after escaping to the north because they had been slaves. There is a difference. Karlach is an escaped slave, after all.
I kill Karlach every single playthrough
Anders and his crew had that vibe that they'd say whatever to get their way
perhaps i should have 😔
after the fight with the paladins when karlach went around setting things on fire and stuff the rest of my party got downwd and 2 ppl died :(
dont blame her , blame zariel for putting an infernal engine in her
Bro she warn you to get away, why you stay to die?
Speaking as somebody who killed Karlach on his first playthrough, there is also one big plus to doing this:
SPOILER
In act 3, you need to enter Wyrm's Crossing in order to enter the Lower City. If Wyll is in you party, and is NOT hornless, the guards will immediately recognize him and let him in. Otherwise, they will bqr him. This is because if Wyll has his horns the guards will claim he is some random tiefling and not the Duke's son. So, by killing Karlach, I had the quickest access to the city proper.
I love Karlach's character, a reason why I have her in my second playthrough. But the beauty of this game is how there are so many different ways the story can go.
In my first chaotic good playthrough I think I got the best outcome for Wyll and Karlach. Recruited Karlach, Wyll became a tiefling, I helped him break his pact, saved his dad from almost certain death, helped them reconcile, got Karlach her upgrade so she could at least live out her final days in freedom.
In my current playthrough Wyll tragically died while trying to protect the grove from invading goblins. I may have been involved with his death. Minthara is a pretty cool companion too though.
Wyll doesn’t become a tiefling he becomes a devil
You didn't. The best outcome is Will and Karlach go to Avernus since that will save Karlach and you can go with them if you want. Then you fight against Zariel and have more adventures (implied - not actual gameplay). She even lights a cigar. Best ending.
@@ParadiseAndGin Maybe. Karlach said she didn't want to go back to Avernus. I respected her wish. Whichever ending is better is debatable.
In my first playthrough I was high af when I came across Karlach and thought she was trying to trick us. Stoned me wasn’t going to go down like a bitch.
What would really make this choice interesting is if Wyll learns the truth later on, and then has to grapple with his choice, especially considering the situation with his father.
In my current playthrough, I'm a low int and wis fighter. He is good hearted but dumb. He killed her because he was told she was evil. He tried to help the tieflings by stealing the druid artifact and got all of them killed. He then joined the goblins to kill the evil druids who cut down the tiefling kids. From his point of view, he is doing the right thing. I am basically doing an evil playthrough via ignorance, not malice.
the main reason why i wanna recruit her is so that i can replace Lae'Zel with her as my melee fighter. The gith is just way too annoying.
I found her annoying too and even did her quest only to have to put her down at the end of it...got a nice halberd out of it though. Sonic Resonance is really nice.
To me Karlach is annoying and ''cringy'' so she always dies and i stick with Lae'zel.
important point:
karlach is no hellspawn, just like elves aren't fey - a tiefling is not a devil.
In EA it was overall the best option to kill Karlach. You save a handful of souls even if they served Zariel because it was understandable. Full release I'm not entirely sure yet
Anders and his crew had already forfeit their souls in service to a Devil, so saving Karlach was still the best option, IMHO.
I was kinda shocked. In EA Anders tries to reason with you if you tell him you know the truth. In the full game though he just drops the formalities and says he's sick of pretending.
@@horrorfan117 He was better in the EA, there you had a real reason to help the fake paladins out of pity. They supposedly didn't do it all just for power, but now they are just evil liars. I miss that bitter taste in this quest.
@@vikashv1 it was heavily implied their pact with Zariel was contingent on sending Karlach back the Avernus. Full release they are unapologetically Devil worshipers.
@@Lupain yeah it was desperation and you got the feelings Anders did care for the others who went to Zariel out of desperation. The corpse in the back room says he was a father and made a pact with Zariel to avenge his family
One thing that was missed for consideration is if you successfully use Read Thoughts on the "paladins" asking you to kill her for "justice" at her "slaughter of dozens of villagers," you see he's totally bull$hitting you and really is actually just lying to get you to hunt her for him. Also, Karlach is awesome and quite effective in combat, so can be a handy melee-dps (to use RPG terms), as well as surprisingly tanky (especially with Bear totem/aspect that gives her resistance to all damage other than psychic while Raging); and Wyll readily agrees with you that sparing her was the right thing to do, even after he gets forcibly transformed.
Karlach is badass, wouldnt exchange her for any legendary armor or weapon.
I sniped that b from stealth, didn't even talk to her
Dan will have content for this game for months.
got it Kill Wyll recruit Karlach thanks Dan appreciate the advice XD
Never has a totally happy ending
You kill her, I won't! Shadowheart, Gale and Karlach are my 3 inseparable companions. On the other other hand, Astarion, Wyll and Minthara get killed as soon as possible. ,End of story!
"I can never trust a man with a bowl cut" 😂😂
I just literally can't. Karlach is just amazeballs
Time to Burn Big Dan in Hell. KARLACH SIMP HERE!
I'm a big believer in judging a book by it's cover. She looks like a devil, so she probably is one. Paladin say...SMITE!
What about the Tieflings? Well...kill them all and let the Gods sort them out. I just want those sweet, sweet XP!
😂 Amen to that brother! Same.
im not sure what people see in Kardlach, shes a meh character to me. Gale and Wyll i feel are the most interesting
I wouldve never have seen this honestly, cant imagine ever killing her tbh. she gives off big sister/victim of circumstance vibes and with my hero complex I could never condemn her. Wyll on the other hand, while he seems like a bro out of everyone ive meet so far, made his deal and didnt read the terms and conditions essentially. so i feel for him but at the same time he's got to face the consequences of his actions too.
I'm sure a few of the folks at the Nuremberg Trials gave off vibes like that too . . .
i killed wyll he was annoying, replaced him with karlach
Wyll was seventeen not legally an adult to our Standards and faced with an evil army invading Baldurs Gate.
So it basically was an Impossible choice.
The difference between following orders, and "following orders at gunpoint" is did act in a reasonable manner to escape the situation. Karlach did, so your wrong. That DID work as a defense in the trials. Just admit you want to be a villain, the game allows you to be, that's the route you wanna take. Villian.
big dan trembles when little dan enters the room
Karlach has already a sad storyline to kill her off at the orders of scumbags and a petty fallen archangel is a big nono in my book.
If it was up to big Dan none of our friends in rpg would be alive 😂
L video, Karlach is perfect
What if you play as Karlach yourself? Can you recruit Wyll at all?
Good question!
Playing dark urge in bad way you cant have her when you have to kill tieflings for mintara
My friends and I accidentally triggered some glitch which made the Druids attack everyone, we slaughtered them to a man, because of that we were unable to recruit her, so we decided to just take her head along with us for a while.
My main has a weird glitch. When he switches from bow to melee weapon, it isn't a rapier - it's a sausage.
Same Here ! Druids attacks everyone so we kills them. Karlach don't want to join the groups so we take his head...
NO, I will not kill my wife thank you very much
A man who made pact with evil, hunts evil, accuses tiefling of being evil because she had to do the nessessary evil to survive till she could escape. There is no moral winner here. Both Wyll and Karlach are evil to some degree, but one chose evil, one was forced to it. Sorry but i'm with Karlach on this one.
The road to hell is is paved with good intentions. That's why in more concerned about wyll than karlach. As for anders he is a devils advocate the name should give that away you play dragon age 2 .
No. Karlach is one of a few that is cool in this game. So, no, don't kill her.
In my first playthrough I romanced our amazon mommy. But in my second, I went Dark Urge and wanted to side with the goblins. Also I wanted to romance another, so I figured Karlach would be a distraction, and would become my enemy anyway. So, I did the hardest thing in the entire game and killed her. It was a Thanos-Gamora kill style Ç_Ç
Does anyone know if you can change wyll back to human even if you keep karlach alive ?? Cause I feel it’s utterly annoying it’s like one of the only choices that heavily effect a companion
I wonder if you could just ignore the quest lol I imagine Misora still turn him into a hellspawn tho x) Like I waited for the last minute to invite Gale to the party but he just nomed artefacts at every long rest. The hells knows what happens if you choose not to recruit him at all. He probably gets swallowed by the portal
@@OnFirewall I recently started playing a Dark Urge and now I have his hand on my inventory. I'm yet to find him again.
I sent Wyll to hell. I didn't know that killing Mizora wouldn't free him, Oh well.
Really? Gale had eaten just 2 artifacts of mine and I don’t even have to option to give him any more currently since they apparently don’t help anymore. (Need to find a solution for that)
@@OnFirewall probably so i think if you dont get karlach you dont trigger the scene of misora. but i wonder if you get karlach first and then wyll what happens
well i guess you dont get the quest but i wonder if you could still find her
I can never recruit Karlach, only recruited her once for a good playthrogh, just hate tieflings in general I guess
Nothing would ever convince me to kill her, by far my favorite character. I really couldnt care less about any of the other characters outside of her and wyll
Literally the only good argument for killing her would be that she's doomed anyway and that helping her dooms wyll aswell
I killed her no questions asked. I already knew Lazael would be my melee hero because I wanted that Githyussy. I'm waiting for a good moment to kill Shadowheart next but I still want to hear some of her story.
based companion killer
First met her, thought she was a devil and was trying to trick me......one underwhelming fight and depressed Wyll later - "Ooops?"
Sadly, I'm bugging out in my game. Despite killing Karlach, Wyll is still given the hellspawn route. Admittedly, the hellspawn looks pretty nice anyways - Though it's unfortunate that it gave him one end despite doing the other.
If you take your paladin to Anders, Tyr, himself, tells you that Anders is lying.
No. You shouldn’t kill karlach. How dare you
Her head in my inventory says otherwise.
@@AndyRoo42indeed
I trusted an Anders once and it led to the blowing up of a chantry. Never trust an Anders never date a girl with a leopard tattoo you can now make it through life
Those paladins are liars. When I go to them with her they are scared but I used "Deteck thought" and they were happy to see Karlach do they will bring her to archdevil... Also I spoke with dead in their building that also confirm that he was serwant of the devil.
Its true that Karlach line of defence is "I was following orders" but I ask who would not when the choice literal is "Follow order or Die". So I spared her but still I fell bad for Wyll. Part of me is like... That was choice between looking like evil one or becoming evil inside his hearth.
"But I ask who would not when the choice literal is "Follow order or Die""
The hundreds of thousands of German communists and other political prisoners who were murdered for resisting Nazi rule? That's literally the moral standard everyone is (or ought to be) held to.
I mean, if the choice is between dying or committing horrific atrocities, then you should choose to die.
In fealty to the God-Emperor, our undying Lord, and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus upon the Imperial world of Typhon Primaris. I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire world, and consign a million souls to oblivion. May Imperial Justice account in all balance.
-me to anyone who takes this advice
Nah, she’s the best. She doesn't constantly create drama like the two girls in ur first party. Fr, I won't be surprised if one of them has a slit throat in the morning. Also, she doesn't sleep with me just for my blood, unlike the vamp guy lmao. I keep him around just to steal or sneak .
I'm going to get rid of Astarion and turn Shadowheart into my rogue. I can't fucking stand the vampire guy, he's so full of himself and selfish. If I get the chance i'm going to kill him, preferably painfully.