I had the old gen 450x when my bud got this new gen 450x I rode it a little, and it legit felt light as a 250f even thought they are exactly same weight. Honda did a great job with the mass centralization.
Old man bought the 650r in 2000 when it came out, then a brand new 450x in 05 when it came out. I don’t want to get rid of my 250 2t but that’s a really nice bike might need to switch
I rode a 2009 CRF450X and that was a great bike. I now own the dual-purpose version of this bike, a 2021 CRF450RL. The bike has great power, great suspension, and great stability. The trade-off for the stability is a heavy and not-too-agile feeling on tight trails, but that was expected. If you have the room to use the throttle, the bike feels excellent and the rest of the bike is up to the task.
When you do the necessary mods to a 450 RL, like replace the muffler, the weight difference becomes negligible between the X and RL. If you add street legal gear to the X, the difference becomes more negligible. The RL is the bike for me. Buyers choice.
Each to ya own , I just brought a 2022 WR 450f OMG!!!! so in love ... My last bike was a XR400 I brought brand new in 2003 ... Damn I wish I did not sell it though ....
Remember that this bike is 30 pounds heavier than a comparable KTM 450 XCFW. The extra weight is very noticeable on tight single track, but bombing across the desert it adds stability. Consider where you will be riding this bike before you purchase. The tall first gear and flame out issue are a deal killer in the woods, but probably won’t be much of an issue in open terrain. Honda build quality is always appreciated.
@@Eldon95084 this bike is very easy to lighten up and get to 60hp I know I did it my bike is 250 lbs and and 61hp this bike is only chocked up for the green sticker but is very easy to uncork .. and still have very good reliability
@@Eldon95084 but ya if you don’t have the money to spend I would get the Ktm me I only ride Honda and had Some extra cash my bike is the 2022 crf450x emissions delete stage 2 cam port head milled head titanium stage 2 valves and rocker arms and springs vortex from San diago powerhouse/twisted developments full fmf and iv been right there with a 2019 Ktm 500 exc fully stage 2 so this bike after some mods is no toy js
I really liked mine but it had way too much power for trail riding. I bought this instead of the L for the reduced weight and off-road biased personality. It loves fire roads and open terrain but not the single track. The absence of a radiator fan and a harder clutch pull discouraged me from exploring in snotty stuff. The engine durability is through the roof though. Some folks are at 30K miles and only did 1 valve adjustment. This is a fantastic desert machine for an experienced rider.
I think the 450x is the ONLY high-performance dirt bike that can get a California green sticker - which is worthy of attention. The only other high-performance bikes that can be ridden on public California roads are the dual-sport 450RL, EXC-F, and Beta RRS. I'm hoping to see more high-performance choices later, like a CRF250X or a green version of the KTM XC-F/XCF-W. A green-sticker, injected TBI 2-stroke will be awesome if possible. I don't expect electric off-road bikes to have similar power and weight, and range for at least 5-10 years.
@@YZEtc I wanna try that on mine. Also that issue should be a warranty thing. I've had many bikes and never had a problem like that. For the price of the bike it should be cherry
@@jayoutdoors1534 Ever since EPA regulations got tighter and tighter starting in 1978, this has become the situation. No warranty claim will change it because that's how it was intentionally built: To be able to be ridden while passing tight EPA regulations. If the bike ran with flawless throttle response (like Honda could make it), the bike would no longer pass these tight EPA regulations.
It's easier said than done in any state. Remember, most Enduros only have basic lights, (small) with no brake lights, no provision for blinkers, mirrors, plate brackets, etc. Some have no cooling fan and most have MSO's worded "For Off Road Use Only". Might be better to get an L and change the pipe out . . . . .
insane that this is the only legal new option for california now amazing bike but i wish they'd bring the 250X back. also insane that the WR is no longer green sticker this place sucks...
I ride with all my body’s ktm and I will never change that bike for nothing ! Better suspension ! Take half the fuel of the 450 ktm and less vibration after 4 hours riding boy on ktm want my bike 😅 so the suspension is there that time
Oops…the Header comes out to the Right Side of the Frame…Big Disappointment for Me,I bought a 2020 CRF450R & the Exhaust was the Same Way,I Immediately Sold it🤣🤣
Wtf is this guy talking about kyb suspension. It’s showa stuff??? Makes it hard to believe anything people say about these bikes. You just have to buy one and try it.
Are there trail riders anymore ? People ether ride motocross , desert, or ride single track. It would be cool if the channel would start using these categories. It seems like this is not a good single track bike , so when you say it’s a good “trail” bike…I wonder what you are actually talking about ? Jeep roads? If your content creators are looking for new angles , this is the untapped topic you are looking for. The only bikes that get respectably reviewed for single track are the XCW models from KTM. Mostly so the 2T. Put some thumpers in the mix. Especially those from the Japanese brands. You’ll be the only ones doing it.
I would call myself a trail rider. The only thing i dont ride is mx. And dude my 06 250x is killer! It's actually great on single track ( like tight PNW single track ) and eats up fire and jeep roads and OHV trails and like wider single track ( like in AZ & CO ) I'm not the best rider but I can keep up with most guys on new FI bikes and im in at half the cost. But I totally agree. They should do more japs and thumpers. I'm not retired yet so the new blingy stuff is out of reach for most of us.
Especially when they review these bikes at a closed course competition track. Not entirely sure the thought process behind taking the 450x and reviewing at the place most would not choose to ride it. Take it to some mountain single track , review it from flowy to technical and tell us where the line is drawn. That’s what we are going to do with it if we bought one.
In Dirtbike Magazines defense, I know Honda classifies the 450x as a “trail” bike on their website. However, Honda also has the 125f and 250f’s labeled as trail bikes. Those of which are completely different machines with completely different purposes than the 450x. The term “trail bike” has a many interpretations that makes its use in dirtbike vocabulary vague and dissatisfying.
@@tim9284 they'd never take these bikes into the mountains or tight single track as it would hurt their ego's too much when they realise they can't ride enduro haha
I'm not sure a tall first gear is such a great idea on a bike that is prone to flame outs. Those guys make a living riding dirt bikes ,they loose perspective on the skills of the average guy that will buy a honda and not a KTM. You don't expect a Honda to be fussy like a european.
@@philg666v I don't think so . A modern bike should be capable to detect that you are riding technical stuff , the ground speed is low and the handle bars are wiggling left and right . The FI should be capable to enrich the fuel air mix according to theses parameters without loosing much overall emission efficienty. Jetting according to ground speed would probably more fuel efficient globaly.
Definitely will still have flame outs. Any stock green sticker thumper with EFI would need a tuner to assist with flame outs. It will be stall prone anyway at low speeds.
I guess I shouldn't complain. Flame outs keep me in business 🤣 Im a professional technician but usually build Supersport and Superbike race bikes. I just recently took on dirt scooters. I do find that for example, on my personal 06 250x after I tune it properly will riiiiiiiip and will never flame out. Literally never. It keeps up with the new FIs and even the newer FI smokers. And im a below average rider on dirt. But it's carbed. I would hate to deal with flame outs on a new OVERPRICED FI dirtbike. Seems like they shouldn't have that problem 😕
If a crf450rl is based on the crf450r, and the crf450x is based on the crf450rl, then the crf450x is based on the crf450r. I think that was 10th grade math or something.
@@slidewide1999 maybe I should have bought a 450x. Just bought a yz250fx and it's still an mx bike in my opinion. It's not happy unless it on mx or gp.
@@KingFriday274 I owned a 2019 CRF450X (same bike as is in this video) and switched to a 2020 WR250F. The 450 did great in double track and fire roads but lacked the agility my 250F has in the single track. The YZ250FX is a trail weapon. Try turning down your suspension clickers and play with the mapping.
I had the old gen 450x when my bud got this new gen 450x I rode it a little, and it legit felt light as a 250f even thought they are exactly same weight. Honda did a great job with the mass centralization.
We had a 450x and it was good , with just a few mods it was way better , it's a great trail bike and that's what we used it for
Old man bought the 650r in 2000 when it came out, then a brand new 450x in 05 when it came out. I don’t want to get rid of my 250 2t but that’s a really nice bike might need to switch
Just buy the 450X and keep both, so you can have a 2 stroke AND 4 stroke!!!
Glad Honda keeps making it. I miss my CRF250X. If I want a new Honda I'll get a CRF450X.
how's the 250x?
So glad it has lights!
I rode a 2009 CRF450X and that was a great bike.
I now own the dual-purpose version of this bike, a 2021 CRF450RL.
The bike has great power, great suspension, and great stability.
The trade-off for the stability is a heavy and not-too-agile feeling on tight trails, but that was expected.
If you have the room to use the throttle, the bike feels excellent and the rest of the bike is up to the task.
450RL is a beast.
Got the same bike and I love it. Do you have a tuner?
@@itdoobiecold420 Yes, a Vortex. Makes a big difference with making the throttle response feel smooth like it should be.
When you do the necessary mods to a 450 RL, like replace the muffler, the weight difference becomes negligible between the X and RL. If you add street legal gear to the X, the difference becomes more negligible. The RL is the bike for me. Buyers choice.
Each to ya own , I just brought a 2022 WR 450f OMG!!!! so in love ... My last bike was a XR400 I brought brand new in 2003 ... Damn I wish I did not sell it though ....
Remember that this bike is 30 pounds heavier than a comparable KTM 450 XCFW. The extra weight is very noticeable on tight single track, but bombing across the desert it adds stability. Consider where you will be riding this bike before you purchase. The tall first gear and flame out issue are a deal killer in the woods, but probably won’t be much of an issue in open terrain. Honda build quality is always appreciated.
Lol
@@robertlambert7906 Facts make me lol too.
@@Eldon95084 this bike is very easy to lighten up and get to 60hp I know I did it my bike is 250 lbs and and 61hp this bike is only chocked up for the green sticker but is very easy to uncork .. and still have very good reliability
@@Eldon95084 but ya if you don’t have the money to spend I would get the Ktm me I only ride Honda and had Some extra cash my bike is the 2022 crf450x emissions delete stage 2 cam port head milled head titanium stage 2 valves and rocker arms and springs vortex from San diago powerhouse/twisted developments full fmf and iv been right there with a 2019 Ktm 500 exc fully stage 2 so this bike after some mods is no toy js
The added 30 lbs isn’t noting to a man lol
Omg I been waiting for 23 450x ;) helped modify my friends old 450 x
I really liked mine but it had way too much power for trail riding. I bought this instead of the L for the reduced weight and off-road biased personality. It loves fire roads and open terrain but not the single track. The absence of a radiator fan and a harder clutch pull discouraged me from exploring in snotty stuff. The engine durability is through the roof though. Some folks are at 30K miles and only did 1 valve adjustment. This is a fantastic desert machine for an experienced rider.
Thanks for the review!
Thanks for checking it out!
I think the 450x is the ONLY high-performance dirt bike that can get a California green sticker - which is worthy of attention. The only other high-performance bikes that can be ridden on public California roads are the dual-sport 450RL, EXC-F, and Beta RRS. I'm hoping to see more high-performance choices later, like a CRF250X or a green version of the KTM XC-F/XCF-W. A green-sticker, injected TBI 2-stroke will be awesome if possible. I don't expect electric off-road bikes to have similar power and weight, and range for at least 5-10 years.
450X ♦️a meu ver melhor compra nesse segmento 🇧🇷🇵🇹
Will definitely be given this bike a look at
I've got a CRF250X and it's heavy as he'll. Almost 15kilos heavier than all its other counterparts. But I appreciate the reliability of Honda.
Actually the suspension is Showa front and rear. Not sure why you say KYB.
You are correct, sir. Showa on the red bikes.
I wish the would have the kick start as a back up like my 06
Showa.
When did Honda go to KYB?
I wanna see this with a fmf or something and in person, compare this to wr
Thats a 2005 look ! Very nice
KYB suspension? Try Showa!
The instrumentation is actually identical to the RL, and the suspension is Showa not KYB.
Is it true these still have valve issues? I swear any guy ive talked to who has owned one is always saying they did a valve job.
I wish kawasaki would do a bike similar to this. Bring back the klx450 and add fuel injection!
Ok ok who already ffed up and dropped the bike haha I see the muffler was dented
Is there away to change the mapping?
Nice/tidy front disk cover.
Does this have a rear brake light?
3:08 The fork and shock are high end KYB??
Showa
I have the 450rl it's a great bike. It has good power but a twitchy throttle in low gears.
I put a Vortex on mine and that took care of that.
@@YZEtc I wanna try that on mine. Also that issue should be a warranty thing. I've had many bikes and never had a problem like that. For the price of the bike it should be cherry
@@jayoutdoors1534 Ever since EPA regulations got tighter and tighter starting in 1978, this has become the situation.
No warranty claim will change it because that's how it was intentionally built: To be able to be ridden while passing tight EPA regulations.
If the bike ran with flawless throttle response (like Honda could make it), the bike would no longer pass these tight EPA regulations.
Where’s this park located at.
cabretor injection system?
Wish Honda would update this machine and not let it run very long in the tooth like it has in the past.
That's the case for most Japanese off road bikes unfortunately. Look at the DRZ400 from Suzuki it's still got a carb on it.
Why is this bike not in Canada?
is this street legal in the Netherlands?
How does this differ from the RX we have in canada for 23?
RX is the race-tuned bike. Stiffer suspension, snappier, more pull-yours-arms-off.
@@MechShark thanks. It doesn't look like Canada gets this x. Shame, seems perfect
its a 6 speed
So are the 23 Beta RR four stokes not green sticker legal? They still have the RR-S but I thought they brought back the RR for green sticker.
I would like to see a green RR, but I don't see anything real or any rumors.
you mention this being capable of being plated, can you comment on which states thats possible? would much prefer this over the L
It's easier said than done in any state. Remember, most Enduros only have basic lights, (small) with no brake lights, no provision for blinkers, mirrors, plate brackets, etc. Some have no cooling fan and most have MSO's worded "For Off Road Use Only". Might be better to get an L and change the pipe out . . . . .
insane that this is the only legal new option for california now amazing bike but i wish they'd bring the 250X back. also insane that the WR is no longer green sticker this place sucks...
Flame out is a deal breaker. Not even once.
Doesn't honda use showa
Is the ECU locked or can you tune it?
Locked, have to get an aftermarket one to tune. Vortex and Athena GET are the most popular ones.
I love the 450 pull but I want more I ride my 883 Harley like a toy Honda build me a efi 500 r dirt bike big boy class lmao 🤣
Check Wheelie King 5 !
I ride with all my body’s ktm and I will never change that bike for nothing ! Better suspension ! Take half the fuel of the 450 ktm and less vibration after 4 hours riding boy on ktm want my bike 😅 so the suspension is there that time
What does it take to make this street legal so that I can ride to the "dirt?"
Isn't the suspension showa components? I believe Honda owns showa.
Yeah that was definitely a mistake on the kyb suspension
Oops…the Header comes out to the Right Side of the Frame…Big Disappointment for Me,I bought a 2020 CRF450R & the Exhaust was the Same Way,I Immediately Sold it🤣🤣
You said KYB…it’s Showa.
Dooley Pines
Kayli Hollow
I had a bran new X when they come out in 2005 nice bike but not Powerful enough for me!!
How is finding parts for it?
Only 10k too
how is the suspension compared to the WR450F?
Its legit
Service intervals?
I'm an old, lazy, guy who doesn't care for 10 hours maintenance...
15 hours
Dooley Key
Eff Off Cali
The music makes it unwatchable
Too plugged up and heavy, 6th gear is nice though...
Wtf is this guy talking about kyb suspension. It’s showa stuff??? Makes it hard to believe anything people say about these bikes. You just have to buy one and try it.
so the suspension is KYB units ??? :-))) very unprofessional on your side.... everyone see the "SHOWA" written on the fork cups
Are there trail riders anymore ? People ether ride motocross , desert, or ride single track.
It would be cool if the channel would start using these categories. It seems like this is not a good single track bike , so when you say it’s a good “trail” bike…I wonder what you are actually talking about ?
Jeep roads?
If your content creators are looking for new angles , this is the untapped topic you are looking for.
The only bikes that get respectably reviewed for single track are the XCW models from KTM. Mostly so the 2T.
Put some thumpers in the mix. Especially those from the Japanese brands. You’ll be the only ones doing it.
I would call myself a trail rider. The only thing i dont ride is mx. And dude my 06 250x is killer! It's actually great on single track ( like tight PNW single track ) and eats up fire and jeep roads and OHV trails and like wider single track ( like in AZ & CO ) I'm not the best rider but I can keep up with most guys on new FI bikes and im in at half the cost.
But I totally agree. They should do more japs and thumpers. I'm not retired yet so the new blingy stuff is out of reach for most of us.
Especially when they review these bikes at a closed course competition track. Not entirely sure the thought process behind taking the 450x and reviewing at the place most would not choose to ride it.
Take it to some mountain single track , review it from flowy to technical and tell us where the line is drawn. That’s what we are going to do with it if we bought one.
In Dirtbike Magazines defense, I know Honda classifies the 450x as a “trail” bike on their website. However, Honda also has the 125f and 250f’s labeled as trail bikes. Those of which are completely different machines with completely different purposes than the 450x. The term “trail bike” has a many interpretations that makes its use in dirtbike vocabulary vague and dissatisfying.
@@tim9284 they'd never take these bikes into the mountains or tight single track as it would hurt their ego's too much when they realise they can't ride enduro haha
I'm not sure a tall first gear is such a great idea on a bike that is prone to flame outs. Those guys make a living riding dirt bikes ,they loose perspective on the skills of the average guy that will buy a honda and not a KTM. You don't expect a Honda to be fussy like a european.
Do we still have to deal with flame outs on FI?
@@philg666v I don't think so . A modern bike should be capable to detect that you are riding technical stuff , the ground speed is low and the handle bars are wiggling left and right . The FI should be capable to enrich the fuel air mix according to theses parameters without loosing much overall emission efficienty. Jetting according to ground speed would probably more fuel efficient globaly.
This is what I was thinking. You think the new X will be fussy?
Definitely will still have flame outs. Any stock green sticker thumper with EFI would need a tuner to assist with flame outs. It will be stall prone anyway at low speeds.
I guess I shouldn't complain. Flame outs keep me in business 🤣 Im a professional technician but usually build Supersport and Superbike race bikes. I just recently took on dirt scooters. I do find that for example, on my personal 06 250x after I tune it properly will riiiiiiiip and will never flame out. Literally never. It keeps up with the new FIs and even the newer FI smokers. And im a below average rider on dirt. But it's carbed. I would hate to deal with flame outs on a new OVERPRICED FI dirtbike. Seems like they shouldn't have that problem 😕
If a crf450rl is based on the crf450r, and the crf450x is based on the crf450rl, then the crf450x is based on the crf450r. I think that was 10th grade math or something.
They aren’t really though….similar components, but different frames/geometry and transmissions.
@@slidewide1999 maybe I should have bought a 450x. Just bought a yz250fx and it's still an mx bike in my opinion. It's not happy unless it on mx or gp.
@@KingFriday274 I owned a 2019 CRF450X (same bike as is in this video) and switched to a 2020 WR250F. The 450 did great in double track and fire roads but lacked the agility my 250F has in the single track. The YZ250FX is a trail weapon. Try turning down your suspension clickers and play with the mapping.
Overweight, underpowered. Not sure why this bike exists when you have the RL and the RX.
its made to Win Baja
yes but its made for old 250 and 450 X fans and for enduros.
It's a pig. Just say it. 263 dry? LOL!
California must be the crapiest state in the world. They’re losing so many businesses 😂it’s actually comical
because they have alot
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