Played this strategy today. It worked for me. Was a lot of fun and the dealers were very helpful to keep it moving once they figured out what I was doing.
Great video, thanks for making it. You know what I find interesting? The comments on your videos, like those below, are some of the most lucid, well-written on UA-cam. It's nice to read comments that are grammatically correct, and spelled properly, something missing from almost EVERY set of comments I've bothered to read. You must draw a pretty literate crowd; be proud of that!
A few caveats for this strategy: 1. The two videos that this strategy comes from offer a hedge for the $75 DC in the form of betting a $5 Yo. From personal experience, you're better off Hopping the 7s for $6. You are much more likely to hit a 7 than an 11, and the Hop will pay $30 (since it's three separate $2 bets on each 7 dice combo). You can Hop the 7s for a higher amount, but keep it at a multiple of $3. Bumping it to a $9 Hop 7s will pay back $45. 2. The original videos suggest bumping odds on the Come bets from 2x to 4x (or table max) once you hit them once. I don't recommend this since the odds of hitting the same number a third time is a lot worse than the odds of sevening out. You also risk having more Right-side money on the table (your Pass, Come, and Place bets) than what the DC and Come will pay back in case you seven-out. 3. To simplify some of the payouts, use the 3x/4x/5x odds amounts for your Pass line and Come odds, but based off of a $5 bet. In other words, you make your $10 Pass/Come bet, then take $15 odds on the 4 & 10, $20 odds on the 5 & 9, and $25 odds on the 6 & 8. The payout when they hit will always be $40 ($10 for the flat portion and $30 for the odds). There are a lot of moving parts to this system, so keeping it simpler will help you see your proper payoff AND help the dealers out as well. 4. A bankroll of $300 is doable, but it's better to have more of a cushion for the possibility of losing the DC bet a few times. A $500 or $600 bankroll is more in line with what would be needed here. I've done this strategy a few times so far, and had success with it. You definitely need to practice it, so you can be accustomed to getting your bets out after each roll and knowing when to come Off on your bets and pull your Pass line odds, as well as putting them working again. I also had a dealer mistakenly take my $75 DC and put it on one of the numbers as odds once, so make sure you watch where your bets go too. You might want to do this strategy sans alcohol until you have it down cold. And keep up the good work Color Up!
There is a variation that I like where he places both Pass and Don't Pass and when the DC is placed, he places odds on the DP to slightly protect against the PSO. Once DC is placed the odds are taken off and odds are put on the pass line.
On a separate note, I do make a couple changes to this strategy. First, when I bet the $75 on the don't come, I also play a $25 high Horn bet on the 11. The idea being that only the 7 can hurt you, the 11 will win you an additional $75 in addition to covering the $75 you lost, plus if a 2, 3, or 12 hits, you're looking at a $150 win. Second, when I win my first place bet, I don't immediate press the winnings on the come odds, instead I collect the first time the number hits in order to cover what's already out there, only after it hits a second time do I have them press it, I then repeat the process, collect then press till the odds are all maxed.
@@ColorUp it's definitely not sustainable if your having one of those nights where the dice keep landing only on that one number that will kill all your bets. I remember one incident where we had 5 shooters back to back who rolled point then seven out one after the other, I've never seen a table empty that quickly.
Good hedge. I do prefer covering hard nos if my dc is on even nos. I cover 11 and 7 when first putting down dc. I do lay more $$ on my dc to match my increasing risk of 7 on hot roll when I'm cleaning up on a hot shooter stacking up odds on my nos. I've had some amazing hot sessions running 300 up to 2 3 k. I've also lost two three buy ins rapidly on bad luck hard to do actually.
I wouldn't bet on the pass or don't pass...just wait for a point to be established...then play the DC with the $75....or play the don't pass and after the point is established...put odds on the don't pass to cover the DC in case a 7 does come out....you can take the odds down after the DC is moved to its point
Went on a vegas trip and Played this strategy on a $5 table using half the amounts shown and worked well. Was at my last $50 and went all the way up to $400. I lost at the $10 table I felt the $300 bankroll was a too low. Played on $5 craps machine and quickly made $150 in 20 minutes . You do have to be fast with your bets and make sure you elaborate to the dealers what u want. I prefer to be sober. Appreciate the videos keep it up👍🏼
I used this strategy on a $25 table. 25 pass line. Establish a point, $125 DC. Place bet everything but the DC and the Point, $25 Come. No odds on the pass. If a place bet hits, collect and only put $10 on odds so I can collect at least $25 on every hit. Was up $470 in an hour at the MGM at the National Harbor this past weekend.
Excellent video quality and explanations. Feel free to keep the plastic rack close to you. Will make your easier to access instead of reaching for action and slowing you down.
Yeah I been doing it virtually and it could be because its computer rolling but you dont really make any money lol I've been at it for like an hour or 2 and I'm down half from 300$ 😂 good entertainment though
I've been playing this strategy on a phone app and I'm up $1500. I made a few modifications to make it easier on myself and the dealers if I was playing live. 1. On the Don't Come roll I hedge the 7, if I hit a 2 or a 3 then I'll just let it ride 2. Place a hard way bet of 1 unit if the Don't Come is an even number. This could even be modified to just be if the Don't Come is the 6 or 8 since the 4 and 10 are your ideal don't comes. 3. Instead of placing Come bets, I press on the first hit of each place bet then do a collect and press strat. This way there is just less moving pieces. I think this is just less moving parts and you don't have to keep a Come bet up. By Placing your bets this also gives you the ability to pull everything down if you feel the seven coming. Really been enjoying the videos though, keep it up!
Be careful, most phone apps are programmed to win. If they lost you would have no fun, give bad rating and delete. Just don’t expect same results in casino.
I tried this strategy in Reno this past weekend. Came home with a $550 profit after about 8 hours of craps. Very low risk. I added my own little twist to it. After I was up $40 on a roll, I placed $40 on my don't number to insulate against the $75 don't. Basically this paid for when the number was rolled and I had to re-up on the don't. I left the place bet up after it was rolled, and it ended up being rolled again several times....making even more profit. I usually only did this on 5-9....I didn't do it on 4 &10. Maybe I should have....or maybe it was just a fluke on how the dice rolled.
@@ColorUp Honestly though, I'm planning on going to Vegas this summer so I started watching Craps videos to familiarize myself with the game. I've watched MANY now and I have to say, yours are the BEST! Thanks for taking the time to make them!
I like playing this system at a slower table. I've found it can be tough to get everything done between rolls if the table is busy. It's a fun way to play though, lots of action and fun to be moving a lot of chips around.
Interesting strategy. Thanks for posting it. I tried a variation of it except on the $10 place if a 4/10 wasn't a point, I bumped it to a $25 Buy instead once a 4/10 rolled, then pressed to $50 for the quick 2:1 payouts to make the bankroll climb back faster if the table was having shooters w/ short rolls. Then it's usually 'off' on the come out instead of remembering to mark it 'off' like a Place bet, in case I forgot on a busy table. Made a quick bank roll off it. Lucky rolls helped.
Tried it a couple of weeks ago and lost about $300 in 15 minutes, won it back at blackjack and not sure I'd try this again. There is action on every roll, but easy to forget something.
If you truly want action on every roll you would do a $100 ho-down (anything but seven) with a $100 hedge. Its a very risky system (as with all systems) but it works. I place $100 on the don't come and depending where it lands I place $25 on the 5, $30 on 6 and 8, $12 on the field. Its roughly around $10-$15 a shot, unless the shooter rolls the number you have on the don't come. You can try this system with lower at risk as well. You just want to hedge a small amount more then what you're betting and hoping the shooter can get a good streak and either take your bets down when you feel comfortable or play it out.
Before my Vegas trip I spent a lot of time using a craps app at home, and got to the point where I wasn't making any mistakes. I played this way for 4 days in Vegas, and was +$500. Unfortunately my best session (by far) was on a $5 table, and I mostly broke even on the $10 tables. But a win's a win.
I’ve been a subscriber for a while. Learn a lot in a short time thanks to your live rolling and winnings/losses money. Thx for this one. I am much more comfortable with this one. The sort hedge betting I love it. Thx for the vid fam!
Point seven kills you using this strategy. Once you get safely beyond that, you don’t have a lot of risk. I find this strategy to be a good comp earner. You’ve always got a lot of money on the table. Also, make sure to tip your dealers because playing this way keeps them very busy.
Try a Hop all 7s bet for $6 when you are trying to establish the DC number. If you seven-out, you'll get paid $30. I know it's not the whole amount at risk ($85) but it helps to lessen the sting.
@@hammerwde1205 Former Craps dealer, I liked when players would make place bets for us. Some bet hardways but I prefer the 6 and 8, player control with a take one and then press one strategy.
It loses if the scooter rolls your don't come number. I have been playing this strategy without much success. I tried to replace the come bet followed by odds with place bets and press. On a table with 3x4x5 odds the place bets are better and you can take them down if, for example, the don't come is on the 4 or on the 10. If a 7 rolls, you win the dont come bet without losing your other bets. Great feeling when it happens. Overall the strategy is fun. There is always a lot of action. At the casinos in Vegas dealers know it very well and they help you willingly if you reward them.
Kerry W Smyth added onto his original strategy with a Patrick System tweak to get the $75 Don’t Come on a number. He starts with Doey-Don’t on the come out and lays odds against the Don’t Pass to protect all or some of the Don’t Come bet against the 7 on the roll after the point has been established. Laying odds on the Don’t Pass side to get the Don’t Come established makes the worst number you can roll then whatever the point is, instead of the 7. You would lose the lay but again; only if a number which comes less often than the 7 repeats. The other hedge, if you choose, is to place a $5 yo to hedge against an 11 knocking off the Don’t Come. 11 loss is more than balanced by three occurrences of 2 and 3 so using the $5 yo isn’t absolutely critical. This is a fun strategy and I’ve personally had good success with it in the casino with people rolling when I’m not shooting..
What do you do if you have that Don't Come out on the second roll and they hit the same number they came out on to begin with on their second roll? What do you do with that large Don't Come that is on the table on the new come out?
The don't come bet would move to whatever number is rolled on that second roll. For instance, come out roll is a 9, you bet the don't come. The second roll is a 9. The don't come bet would move behind the 9. The shooter hit his point so the puck would go off, and they would be coming out again. The don't bet on the 9 is still active. If the shooter rolls a 9 on the new come out roll the bet would lose, if the shooter rolls a 7 on the new come out roll, that don't come bet would win. Remember with the come and don't come, they are independent games from the pass line/ don't pass, like a game within a game.
This strategy needs about $400/500 buy in to be effective and cover the don't pass losses. Otherwise, it's a good strategy to keep bankroll moving . Won't win a lot unless the 7 rolls soon after the don't is laid. Won't lose a lot because of the don't hedge. I've played this a number of times and you have to keep your head in the game. I made small amounts of gain with each shooter. Depending on the don't pass number(6/8 or 4/5, 10), adjust the quantity of place bets and quantity of come bets to allow for hitting the Don't.
Kerry Smithe’s improvement video is a bit better. You start with a pass and don’t pass. Then, lay odds on the don’t to protect your DC. Then, after the point is established, you pull the DP odds and proceed as you were playing. Last addition, place a small Hardway bet when your DC bet is an even number.
if you are only betting 75 in the dc then your total bets should not exceed 80$ in risk, if you want to play odds on 10$, then your DC should be in the range of 200-300. If not then don't play odds and take the smaller pay out to ensure your dc has your active bets covered. And like the others have said below, hedge your come out dc bet on the yo, this limits to big red to lose your dc.
This looked like an amazing idea. Tried it in a simulation and lost $1000 is 5 minutes haha! My losses came from getting a 7 when when the don't come was not on a number yet. Out $85 dollars multiple times before even being set up. Then getting 7 out as soon as i got set up. And lastly, the don't come was almost always on a 6 or 8 so lost that very frequently. The house always wins i guess. Love the videos though man. Keep them coming. Learned everything about craps from you.
These computer simulation use so call random number generators. But they are not truly random. This not to cheat you, but it’s a flaw with the programs.A mathematical rng must start with a seed number,so it’s not truly random. But these simulator are good for practice, with the math as to how much and when to raise bets,etc.
I played this strategy last night, and man is that second roll nerve racking. You can go down very quickly, but you can also make it up really quickly also! I think you do need a larger bankroll cause on the second roll they roll two yo’s in a row, that’s half of it there. Also, if the 6 or 8 rolled, I took no action and went straight to the 3 point moly...... Thank you for your videos, I watch each one of them, and have learned a lot!
Chris, First off #wahoowa. Second, there is a ton of risk in this strategy. Just watch videos where others sneak a camera to a craps table and record random shooters. The number of times these people 7 out when one would have had $75 on the DC is ridiculous. I’ve even done simulated rolls on a free computer app and this strategy stinks.
Henry Schumann Wahoowa! I played this strategy twice this week. Once I was down and had enough to play the $75 DC and came all the way back ($400 buy in). Like people have suggested before, I think you need a larger bankroll to really play this. Second time i played, DC lost twice in a row with 11’s, so I just switched to the 3 point moly the rest of the way..... so I can go pretty quickly like you suggested. I do like it, but I think $600-$700 bankroll would be a good start.
Dealers absolutely hate players who do this! It’s a hedge upon a hedge upon a hedge. You spin your wheels wasting everyone’s time & don’t get anywhere. You lose that DC & you’re stuck. Never seen anyone win doing this
you can hedge the 75 dont come wi6th 5 on the yo 11 and then hedge it agin with 5 on doubles for 5 on either of the even 4 6 8 or 10 to help reduce the odds of that loss for a mere 5 dollars at least reduce the 4 or 10 down 50 more percent to loose your money as badly
Rule Question: At 4:18 you use the Off-Button for the Place Bets. I though this only happens during a new Come Out Roll, after the Point was hit. Where is my understanding mistake?
It happens automatically on the Come Out roll, and you have to ask the dealer any other time you want your place bets to be off. This strategy is all about hedging risk. So when you put $75 on Don't Come, you have the dealer mark your place bets off. That way if you shoot a 7 - the easiest number to roll - you've minimized your losses. You could take your place bets down instead, and then put them back when the Don't Come is established, but your dealer will hate your guts for making him work harder.
@jim ford Thanks for good explanation. I would add...You can ask the dealers to turn any of your bets off at any time except a pass line bet or a come bet and they will place the small marker on your bets. You could also just ask them to return them to you.
would a few bucks on a single 4 to 1 "any 7" bet on the the exposed "Don't Come" bet on the second roll help eliminate the risk of a total loss? Its seems like cheap one roll insurance to avoid the loss with no offsetting win.
I’ve tried this strategy multiple time and paired with dice setting and have been successful... I would never play this way with dice thrower like u lol. Good video but dice setting is key to avoid numbers.
Exactly what I was looking for. Going to have to watch it a few times to get it down. But, the comp points are going to stack up a lot faster than the usual "6/8 hedge" I play that in also learned from color up. Wish there was a simpler way of doing it. Great video. Thank you
Very hard to follow on a busy table. And Telling the dealer on off every other roll will piss them off. Tips make them happy. A few times I forgot my DC number was taken down. I do Better on smaller crowds early mornings. two 7’s in a row will wipe you out quick.
I decided to try this for one hour at the wizard of odds free craps table. They start you at 10,000. The low point I hit was down 445 dollars, which shows me that you really shouldn't start this with a 300 dollar bankroll. The high point I hit was up 876 dollars, at which point on a real table I would have walked. At the end of one hour I was up 500 dollars. I am surprised that it worked so well. I actually could probably had a bit more because a few times I forgot the come bet to my detriment.
Well its based on a random number generator, each day you try it you will most likely get varying results. Some days you may drop 1000 or more to start, others you may go up 1000 or more.
Ok love the strategy only thing I didn’t do is establish odds on bets In my eyes once we establish that “don’t come number” we not hoping for the 7 out but at the same time 7 definitely has a better chance of showing up. So I make all my place bets but I don’t add odds honestly. Not on the pass line nor the place bets. So if I do 7 out early I didn’t lose at all because I have $85 bet if I do get a 7 from the come and the DC bet but I only have $50 or less on all other bets. But that’s just my vision on it. If I’m not making sense let me know.
Finally understand it after watching it like 5 times lol. I’m a complete noob at the game. I took me awhile to understand the lingo and odd this and that. But it becomes very mechanical. Just hoping your DC lands on 4/5 is big cuz the probability of hitting those numbers are lower than 6/8. Interesting strategy i need to try it when i go to NV soon with buddies
This ones a little complicated, for both dealer and player. Make sure you understand it well and the payoffs before trying with real money. I do have a free beginner course on my website that is very detailed. Colorup.club
Very nice system. I was wondering why you don't start the come out roll with the $75 DP vs $10 pass line then $75DC? By starting with the $75 DP you save a roll and you can place bet all the other numbers after your DP bet. In your technique, you risk the initial $10 also if a seven hits (I understand you could hit a 7-11 on come out roll). So, if you $75DP first roll you save a roll and have $10 less at risk. Please let me know. Thanks
As as craps player, the reason you wouldn't start off with a $75 DP is because you generally want to go with playing the right (light) side along with the rest of the table so you can cheer the hits along with the table. If you start off with a DP, you're rooting against the shooter.
I have watched these videos and my question is this: would it be wise to place a smaller DC bet and then take odds on that bet when the point is established to limit exposure if the seven is rolled on the come out roll?
Hey Color up! great video and well explained. I realized your layout might be a bit off. for the 2.3.11,12 prop bets, shouldn't it say 31 for 1 or 30 to 1? Would it be beneficial to do a 3-way bet every time you have a come bet?
All layouts are a bit different. The odds of rolling the 2 or 12 is 1 out of 36 stated as 35 to 1 (35:1), so as long as the casino pays less they have an edge. For the 3 or 11 the odds of rolling are 2 out of 36 stated as 17 to 1(17:1), so they will always pay less than that. Anything below 35 to 1 and 17 to 1, will make a profit for the casino. As to is this beneficial? Mathmatically no, as you will always lose more than the odds of rolling them. But if you like to take insurance, sure, play how you are most comfortable.
My favorite Bubble Craps method of play is not this as you won't be able to accomplish everything in earnest with a $35 limit (In Colorado it is a $100 limit). I like to view the results board ( I assume your machine has one) My bets will equal the number of sevens of the last 12 rolls. I wait for the come out roll and place bet the 5 6 8 9. For example if the board shows 4 sevens, then I will have $4 on each of those place bet numbers. If I win or there is no decision, my bets stay up. Only as the number of sevens (of the last 12 rolls) starts decreasing, will I decrease my bets. If I lose, I wait for the next come out roll and bet accordingly. Deep down, I know a "results board" is not any indication of the future but there is a thing called probability. But importantly, you are VARYING your bets, this seems to be the key to winning. I've usually shown a profit in any given session. If the limit starts getting in the way, get a friend to come along and play beside you. If you decide to try it, let me know how it works for you.
this does look very interesting and a always busy way to play craps ...... it seems versatile and il keep watching i am a little confused as to what numbers i can come down on and also wanted to ask . could a person per say if they kept hitting there place bets and put them on the dont come , and increase your odds that way provided the point does not roll and your feeling red is going to show up .
I tried this and seem to have more luck starting with a $75 don’t pass instead of the $10 pass followed by the $75 DC to start off with. I know you lose the odds if you hit the point, but you get a better return if you 7 out.
I tried this strategy and was fairly successful. I am not quite comfortable yet using the 75DC on a live table. Unfortunately the only bubble machine on the Gulf Coast has 2X odds. Would using this strategy work well with just Place Bets and no Come bet? I place 10, press to 20 and then to 25. On 4 and 10 I usually press straight to 25.
@@nelfiz04 IP Casino in Biloxi. It is on the same floor as the table games. The Aruze Gaming website says there is one at Harrahs in New Orleans but I have not been there.
With my luck, my Don't Pass money will travel to a 4 or a 10, I'll get all excited, and then the very next roll will be that number again, against all odds.... OVER and OVER again....
I'd put money to cover any of the Hard numbers (4, 6, 8, or 10).....Maybe just 5 instead of 10 if you are dealing with the 6 or 8. The ideal is to not feel the sting as much when that number does hit. As for this strategy, it was one of the first strategies I tried and it killed me in the casino. I was able to do it on an at home app but in the casino I was making all kinds of mistakes. After playing for a few months and becoming more comfortable at the table i've sense tried this strategy and am able to play the strategy at the table but haven't returned to it too often. ua-cam.com/video/NHGW5aUTMJc/v-deo.html This is a strategy that was covered here earlier on Color Up and the link to "Brent's video" can be found on this page.....he even makes light of the above strategies referring to the $75 don't come bet as a leap of faith gesture. Which once you start playing this at the casino and you lose a couple of those $75.00 don't come bets with a 7 on that roll, it just completely destroys this strategy. Another problem that I have with this system after I've played it a few times and now have played craps a little more and have some ideal what I'm talking about is that the real payout takes a while. Let's say you get through that don't come $75.00 bet and lets say your DC is the beautiful 4 or 10 giving you the best chances for avoiding the "dreaded number" and lets say you even take another combination out by placing a $5 or $10 hardway bet.....you still place all the numbers, place the 10, and then when you hit the first number, you really see no profit, maybe only a couple of bucks that is left over after you put the 2x odds on the come bet that is now at a number. You then turn around and put another come bet out there.....and this video was a perfect example, he hit every number and put 2x odds on all of the numbers that the come bet traveled to and was NEVER seeing real profit because he was never stacking chips.....the chips just kept going out, goiing out, going out on the table. Now, the real strategy dictates that if you hit with 2x odds, I think he then takes it up to 4x odds......now, at this point money is going to be made. Even if you just went up to 3x odds, the money you get from your 2x odds win is going to pay the 3x or 4x bets and put some back in your pocket.....and you are off to the races...........again, after playing the game for a little bit now, how often to we actually see rolls where you are able to extablish a point, successfully get another DC out there, now place the numbers, hit a single number multiple times getting up to 2x, 3x odds and then be off to the races.......it rarely happens.........and if it does, as long as you were playing with the shooter and had money on the number that was hitting, which we all do once we see a shooter hit any number over a few times......any strat is going to win with a shooter like that, so why risk that 75 DC when in the long run it is probably only winning you a few bucks on most shooters?
I have also gone one step further after I have most my odds out on the Come bets I have out I wil place small bets on the hops numbers of the DC I have established so it hedges that I may loose a little bit every time but I am winning more than I loose every time and it covers me if the DC is hit.
This is interesting complex, but interesting.....What free on line trainer would you recommend? Wizzard of Odds won't let you turn place bets off. I'd like to learn this...a little too involved for my practice layout IMO
This is by far my favorite strategy. It looks a lot more complicated than it is.... I would suggest not splitting chips on the 6 and 8. Play $20 place bets on the 4,5,9,10 and $30 on the 6 and 8. Little bit more risk, but if you hit 2 consecutive numbers after the don't come is placed, is almost impossible to lose money on that shooter (after 4 hits it is impossible). Also I always play the field on the come out when playing this strategy - mostly as crap out protection. (3 and 7 is even money, 2, 4, 10, 11 and 12 earn, 6 ,8 lose but result in a good point, 5 loses and the point is mediocre)
Played this at home to try it out. Lost $675 in 1.5 hours. Won’t be bringing this to the casino. My $300 bankroll was gone in 10 minutes and I don’t feel like the rolls were unusually bad.
Hedging against a 7 and having active bets to potentially gain minimum profit is basically the strategy. Potential to lose lots of money on PSO (Point Seven Out) to win X small amount of dollars with an average 6-10 roll hand. I've been on tables where 4 consecutive different rollers PSO. @Jonny Bravo makes a good point to be a good comp earner.
How should I address the pit man when placing the 4,5,6,8,9, and 10 initially ? Do I have to literally say place the 4,5,6,8,9, and 10?... minus of course the point.
That’s called an “across bet” so $10 table would be “$64 across please” if you are playing the pass then it would be $54 across or $52 across depending if the 6/8 is the point.
As a new gambler, thank you for your amazing content. I’ve learned so much! What are your thoughts on having a field bet instead of bets on 4, 9 and 10? I’m still new to craps but wonder if it would be advantageous to start with the field bet and then if the 4, 9 or 10 hits you can use your winnings on place bets. I’ve been testing it out on wizard of odds but would love some feedback.
So after the 75 moves over and the point is hit. Can you take down the 75 like the place bets? Reason im asking is two different craps apps do different things. one lets me take down the 75 and the other doesn't. I was wondering how the casino does it
Casinos will allow you to remove a Don't come bet at any time. But removing don't bets is not a good idea, here is a video explaining why. ua-cam.com/video/tX-YxlO3PmQ/v-deo.html
Ive played this before & have had good nights, & a cold nights as well. After watching several other of your videos, my question to you is wouldnt this be a smarter bet as playing a dont pass, then placing/buying across, since money down on odd & come bets need to be 5x to be more profitable than equal dollar place bets?
while true the place bets pay more until you play over 5x odds, the house edge on come bets with odds is much lower, so theoretically over the long run you will lose less money playing the come with odds. The winning 7 on the come out roll for each come bet can't be discounted. Its hard to compare, they are very different ways to play.
Sure any strategy can work regardless of table minimum. It all just depends on the dice that day, obviously betting higher amounts your losses add up quicker but I understand some parts of country don’t have options :(
Unless you take 4X & 5X odds or higher your place bets win more PLUS you have options, same bet, press it, make it look like 6 etc. The come bets lose on the come out 7 but your place bets don't. Go to Come VS place bets by Garrison and learn don't more. The math does NOT LIE. Place bets pay more under 5X odds. BUT how big is your budget??? Most players do NOT take more than 5X odds and most tables limit this because of this. Good luck at the tables G. P.S. You are NOT playing for the House advantage you are playing for money a higher ROI.
Tried this in a simulator. Was up 600 then proceeded to lose 1500. There were several instances where I rolled my don’t come point followed by a 7 or 11 and lost the don’t come again. Merciless.
@John W I also tried the strategy with a simulator using $10 minimum bets. In 20 or so simulations, only a few ended with more than the $300 I started with. Never near $4000. One simulation, after quite a few rolls, the "Don't Come" hit, bye $75. At the time, the numbers were covered by $70 in place and come bets. Put the $75 in "Don't Come". Next roll was a 7. Lost $220 in two rolls. Good thing it was only a simulation. I must be doing something wrong with this strategy or it is the simulator.
@@oldguy5119 If the don't come hits, you are supposed to turn off all place bets and odds. Sometimes i won't place another don't come until the point is hit or there is a seven out and new shooter. Granted, I have only tried this on a simulator too, but at least that way you aren't at risk of losing the $75 don't come along with up to $40 in place bets.
Don't forget to hedge your DC if it is a 4,6,8, or 10 using the hard ways, to lower your risk of it hitting. Just played using this with $200 and walked out with $1000. You really need hot rollers though.
Hey there. When you say around 10 minutes "hopefully the dealer will be gracious with me" after forgetting your come bet, are you saying that some dealers will recognize your strategy and allow you the come bet even though you didn't actually have it down? They would just ask you for your money and place it where the come hits?
Do you think you wouldn’t lose as much money if you didn’t keep the numbers pressed on the new come out roll once the shooter has already hit his point? For example I saw you lost $160 only after 3 rolls. If you didn’t press the numbers and only left $10 on the numbers you would’ve lost less?
Sure, any time you add to your bet you have more at risk. They larger the risk, the larger the reward or lose, at that point it just depends on how the dice roll.
would it be worth it to cover the hardways for a nickel each time you had an even number for your d/c bet as insurance, especially on the 4/10 in essence taking away 33.3% of losses? good vid thanks.
I am 6 mins in, and so far I like the hat, hide the bald spot, but I would have "placed" the bets on the second throw, when you are working against the 7, you would have made money on the 5. Then the five would have paid and also went to the don't after it hit. Unfortunately the five hit and we lost the don't. I love the aggression, but I would have went with the 3 point molly on the come, so as not to risk so much on the come bets.
When you hit a simple place bet after everything has been established, why can’t you just take (bank) those winnings? Ex. You hit the Place bet 5 which $10 pays $14 and just rack your $14? Isn’t the idea to get money into your rack? Sorry if juvenile question. This way all place bets become profit and minimizes 7 out loses?
because placing those winnings on the odds of the come bet is what makes you the money. the odds on the come bet are true odds and it requires a come bet to be able to bet that so in a sense, not betting it (with casino money) is a waste.
9:40. "I forgot my come bet but hopefully the dealer will be gracious with me." :lol: If you find a dealer like that, let me know. I don't know of too many who will risk his job and his casino license to put down your $10 come bet after the dice have rolled.
I see it happen, although the dealer never makes the call, they usually run it by the pit to decide. Its good customer service for a player that has been consistently playing the same way.
Played this strategy today. It worked for me. Was a lot of fun and the dealers were very helpful to keep it moving once they figured out what I was doing.
Great video, thanks for making it. You know what I find interesting? The comments on your videos, like those below, are some of the most lucid, well-written on UA-cam. It's nice to read comments that are grammatically correct, and spelled properly, something missing from almost EVERY set of comments I've bothered to read. You must draw a pretty literate crowd; be proud of that!
I have noticed the comments on his videos are different as well. In a good way
A few caveats for this strategy:
1. The two videos that this strategy comes from offer a hedge for the $75 DC in the form of betting a $5 Yo. From personal experience, you're better off Hopping the 7s for $6. You are much more likely to hit a 7 than an 11, and the Hop will pay $30 (since it's three separate $2 bets on each 7 dice combo). You can Hop the 7s for a higher amount, but keep it at a multiple of $3. Bumping it to a $9 Hop 7s will pay back $45.
2. The original videos suggest bumping odds on the Come bets from 2x to 4x (or table max) once you hit them once. I don't recommend this since the odds of hitting the same number a third time is a lot worse than the odds of sevening out. You also risk having more Right-side money on the table (your Pass, Come, and Place bets) than what the DC and Come will pay back in case you seven-out.
3. To simplify some of the payouts, use the 3x/4x/5x odds amounts for your Pass line and Come odds, but based off of a $5 bet. In other words, you make your $10 Pass/Come bet, then take $15 odds on the 4 & 10, $20 odds on the 5 & 9, and $25 odds on the 6 & 8. The payout when they hit will always be $40 ($10 for the flat portion and $30 for the odds). There are a lot of moving parts to this system, so keeping it simpler will help you see your proper payoff AND help the dealers out as well.
4. A bankroll of $300 is doable, but it's better to have more of a cushion for the possibility of losing the DC bet a few times. A $500 or $600 bankroll is more in line with what would be needed here.
I've done this strategy a few times so far, and had success with it. You definitely need to practice it, so you can be accustomed to getting your bets out after each roll and knowing when to come Off on your bets and pull your Pass line odds, as well as putting them working again. I also had a dealer mistakenly take my $75 DC and put it on one of the numbers as odds once, so make sure you watch where your bets go too. You might want to do this strategy sans alcohol until you have it down cold.
And keep up the good work Color Up!
Great additions, thank you for adding these details!
There is a variation that I like where he places both Pass and Don't Pass and when the DC is placed, he places odds on the DP to slightly protect against the PSO. Once DC is placed the odds are taken off and odds are put on the pass line.
Yep, his second video, its interesting.
Kerry
Always hedged the eleven come out and the hard way don’t point when possible
On a separate note, I do make a couple changes to this strategy.
First, when I bet the $75 on the don't come, I also play a $25 high Horn bet on the 11. The idea being that only the 7 can hurt you, the 11 will win you an additional $75 in addition to covering the $75 you lost, plus if a 2, 3, or 12 hits, you're looking at a $150 win.
Second, when I win my first place bet, I don't immediate press the winnings on the come odds, instead I collect the first time the number hits in order to cover what's already out there, only after it hits a second time do I have them press it, I then repeat the process, collect then press till the odds are all maxed.
I'm not a fan of insurance and forgot to mention it like the original videos did. Like the idea of collecting some first though
@@ColorUp it's definitely not sustainable if your having one of those nights where the dice keep landing only on that one number that will kill all your bets. I remember one incident where we had 5 shooters back to back who rolled point then seven out one after the other, I've never seen a table empty that quickly.
Good hedge. I do prefer covering hard nos if my dc is on even nos. I cover 11 and 7 when first putting down dc. I do lay more $$ on my dc to match my increasing risk of 7 on hot roll when I'm cleaning up on a hot shooter stacking up odds on my nos. I've had some amazing hot sessions running 300 up to 2 3 k. I've also lost two three buy ins rapidly on bad luck hard to do actually.
I wouldn't bet on the pass or don't pass...just wait for a point to be established...then play the DC with the $75....or play the don't pass and after the point is established...put odds on the don't pass to cover the DC in case a 7 does come out....you can take the odds down after the DC is moved to its point
Ok, thanks for the input.
Went on a vegas trip and Played this strategy on a $5 table using half the amounts shown and worked well. Was at my last $50 and went all the way up to $400. I lost at the $10 table I felt the $300 bankroll was a too low. Played on $5 craps machine and quickly made $150 in 20 minutes . You do have to be fast with your bets and make sure you elaborate to the dealers what u want. I prefer to be sober. Appreciate the videos keep it up👍🏼
Great comment.. being sober is the only way to play. Never drink on the job 😎
Always stay sober when gambling though occasion I do like to have a pint. If it's like near the end and I'm winning
I used this strategy on a $25 table. 25 pass line. Establish a point, $125 DC. Place bet everything but the DC and the Point, $25 Come. No odds on the pass. If a place bet hits, collect and only put $10 on odds so I can collect at least $25 on every hit. Was up $470 in an hour at the MGM at the National Harbor this past weekend.
Plus people forget to mention, you are able to take your DC down anytime you wish. Its not a contract bet.
During practice in a "live training party event" I learned one thing. Don't play drunk and high.
Noob.
Doesn’t hurt to have a little liquid courage so you can relax my friend
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Excellent video quality and explanations. Feel free to keep the plastic rack close to you. Will make your easier to access instead of reaching for action and slowing you down.
this strategy is stressing me out, does not seem like very low risk to me, but I do get your point of making the 7 less scary
Yeah I been doing it virtually and it could be because its computer rolling but you dont really make any money lol I've been at it for like an hour or 2 and I'm down half from 300$ 😂 good entertainment though
I've been playing this strategy on a phone app and I'm up $1500. I made a few modifications to make it easier on myself and the dealers if I was playing live.
1. On the Don't Come roll I hedge the 7, if I hit a 2 or a 3 then I'll just let it ride
2. Place a hard way bet of 1 unit if the Don't Come is an even number. This could even be modified to just be if the Don't Come is the 6 or 8 since the 4 and 10 are your ideal don't comes.
3. Instead of placing Come bets, I press on the first hit of each place bet then do a collect and press strat. This way there is just less moving pieces.
I think this is just less moving parts and you don't have to keep a Come bet up. By Placing your bets this also gives you the ability to pull everything down if you feel the seven coming.
Really been enjoying the videos though, keep it up!
Be careful, most phone apps are programmed to win. If they lost you would have no fun, give bad rating and delete. Just don’t expect same results in casino.
@@ColorUp I agree I would not trust phone apps the software knows what numbers you want to hit.
I tried this strategy in Reno this past weekend. Came home with a $550 profit after about 8 hours of craps. Very low risk. I added my own little twist to it. After I was up $40 on a roll, I placed $40 on my don't number to insulate against the $75 don't. Basically this paid for when the number was rolled and I had to re-up on the don't. I left the place bet up after it was rolled, and it ended up being rolled again several times....making even more profit. I usually only did this on 5-9....I didn't do it on 4 &10. Maybe I should have....or maybe it was just a fluke on how the dice rolled.
Sounds like your small tweak worked out well :)
I do this same strategy, but I also juggle chainsaws to make it even more complicated.
keep things from getting too boring, nice
@@ColorUp Honestly though, I'm planning on going to Vegas this summer so I started watching Craps videos to familiarize myself with the game. I've watched MANY now and I have to say, yours are the BEST!
Thanks for taking the time to make them!
that might be the best comment in the history of youtube
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Lol! There are a lot of moving parts. You cannot drink too much if you intend to play this strategy.
I like playing this system at a slower table. I've found it can be tough to get everything done between rolls if the table is busy. It's a fun way to play though, lots of action and fun to be moving a lot of chips around.
slower table a good idea for this one.
Interesting strategy. Thanks for posting it. I tried a variation of it except on the $10 place if a 4/10 wasn't a point, I bumped it to a $25 Buy instead once a 4/10 rolled, then pressed to $50 for the quick 2:1 payouts to make the bankroll climb back faster if the table was having shooters w/ short rolls. Then it's usually 'off' on the come out instead of remembering to mark it 'off' like a Place bet, in case I forgot on a busy table. Made a quick bank roll off it. Lucky rolls helped.
I love your channel but it’s just something about that original video on this strategy that’s just so exciting and smoothly explained
Don't Come strategies are pretty solid imo I mean it's like Don't Pass, you know the 7 is almost always on your side.
I enjoy it because I can still play with the table on the pass line and have a good time. Just makes it a little more enjoyable for me.
Tried it a couple of weeks ago and lost about $300 in 15 minutes, won it back at blackjack and not sure I'd try this again. There is action on every roll, but easy to forget something.
You have to stay on your toes.
If you truly want action on every roll you would do a $100 ho-down (anything but seven) with a $100 hedge. Its a very risky system (as with all systems) but it works. I place $100 on the don't come and depending where it lands I place $25 on the 5, $30 on 6 and 8, $12 on the field. Its roughly around $10-$15 a shot, unless the shooter rolls the number you have on the don't come. You can try this system with lower at risk as well. You just want to hedge a small amount more then what you're betting and hoping the shooter can get a good streak and either take your bets down when you feel comfortable or play it out.
Before my Vegas trip I spent a lot of time using a craps app at home, and got to the point where I wasn't making any mistakes. I played this way for 4 days in Vegas, and was +$500. Unfortunately my best session (by far) was on a $5 table, and I mostly broke even on the $10 tables. But a win's a win.
Dude I’m just glad you’re back. Really missed your videos in your absence. Thx for doing this!
Appreciate that. thanks
I’ve been a subscriber for a while. Learn a lot in a short time thanks to your live rolling and winnings/losses money. Thx for this one. I am much more comfortable with this one. The sort hedge betting I love it. Thx for the vid fam!
Thanks for watching, glad you are learning the game.
Yea I’m usually with baccarat. Craps is slow but doable.
Point seven kills you using this strategy. Once you get safely beyond that, you don’t have a lot of risk. I find this strategy to be a good comp earner. You’ve always got a lot of money on the table.
Also, make sure to tip your dealers because playing this way keeps them very busy.
Great point about the tipping!
Try a Hop all 7s bet for $6 when you are trying to establish the DC number. If you seven-out, you'll get paid $30. I know it's not the whole amount at risk ($85) but it helps to lessen the sting.
Speaking of tipping, when and how much is ideal way to tip dealers in craps?
On big winning rolls? Or at the end of a session?
@@hammerwde1205 Former Craps dealer, I liked when players would make place bets for us. Some bet hardways but I prefer the 6 and 8, player control with a take one and then press one strategy.
It loses if the scooter rolls your don't come number. I have been playing this strategy without much success. I tried to replace the come bet followed by odds with place bets and press. On a table with 3x4x5 odds the place bets are better and you can take them down if, for example, the don't come is on the 4 or on the 10. If a 7 rolls, you win the dont come bet without losing your other bets. Great feeling when it happens. Overall the strategy is fun. There is always a lot of action. At the casinos in Vegas dealers know it very well and they help you willingly if you reward them.
Finally, been waiting for you to do this one. It is my all time favorite strategy!
Highly requested...Glad to finally do it
Kerry W Smyth added onto his original strategy with a Patrick System tweak to get the $75 Don’t Come on a number. He starts with Doey-Don’t on the come out and lays odds against the Don’t Pass to protect all or some of the Don’t Come bet against the 7 on the roll after the point has been established. Laying odds on the Don’t Pass side to get the Don’t Come established makes the worst number you can roll then whatever the point is, instead of the 7. You would lose the lay but again; only if a number which comes less often than the 7 repeats.
The other hedge, if you choose, is to place a $5 yo to hedge against an 11 knocking off the Don’t Come. 11 loss is more than balanced by three occurrences of 2 and 3 so using the $5 yo isn’t absolutely critical.
This is a fun strategy and I’ve personally had good success with it in the casino with people rolling when I’m not shooting..
What do you do if you have that Don't Come out on the second roll and they hit the same number they came out on to begin with on their second roll? What do you do with that large Don't Come that is on the table on the new come out?
The don't come bet would move to whatever number is rolled on that second roll. For instance, come out roll is a 9, you bet the don't come. The second roll is a 9. The don't come bet would move behind the 9. The shooter hit his point so the puck would go off, and they would be coming out again. The don't bet on the 9 is still active. If the shooter rolls a 9 on the new come out roll the bet would lose, if the shooter rolls a 7 on the new come out roll, that don't come bet would win. Remember with the come and don't come, they are independent games from the pass line/ don't pass, like a game within a game.
This strategy needs about $400/500 buy in to be effective and cover the don't pass losses. Otherwise, it's a good strategy to keep bankroll moving . Won't win a lot unless the 7 rolls soon after the don't is laid. Won't lose a lot because of the don't hedge. I've played this a number of times and you have to keep your head in the game. I made small amounts of gain with each shooter. Depending on the don't pass number(6/8 or 4/5, 10), adjust the quantity of place bets and quantity of come bets to allow for hitting the Don't.
Kerry Smithe’s improvement video is a bit better. You start with a pass and don’t pass. Then, lay odds on the don’t to protect your DC. Then, after the point is established, you pull the DP odds and proceed as you were playing. Last addition, place a small Hardway bet when your DC bet is an even number.
if you are only betting 75 in the dc then your total bets should not exceed 80$ in risk, if you want to play odds on 10$, then your DC should be in the range of 200-300. If not then don't play odds and take the smaller pay out to ensure your dc has your active bets covered. And like the others have said below, hedge your come out dc bet on the yo, this limits to big red to lose your dc.
I played this a few times and have been successful. The tables I play are usually $15. Would you raise the DC to $130 to hedge?
I'm new to the game but was wondering the same thing. Isn't $110 closer to keeping the same hedge % as $75 for $10min table?
Pretty good strategy, however a little outside my comfort zone for the buy in.
Yep, three bad rolls to start and you've tapped out your bank roll
This looked like an amazing idea. Tried it in a simulation and lost $1000 is 5 minutes haha! My losses came from getting a 7 when when the don't come was not on a number yet. Out $85 dollars multiple times before even being set up. Then getting 7 out as soon as i got set up. And lastly, the don't come was almost always on a 6 or 8 so lost that very frequently. The house always wins i guess. Love the videos though man. Keep them coming. Learned everything about craps from you.
I roll more 7's on compute craps than I ever do in real life. I always just figure it's rigged as it doesn't make sense lol
These computer simulation use so call random number generators. But they are not truly random. This not to cheat you, but it’s a flaw with the programs.A mathematical rng must start with a seed number,so it’s not truly random. But these simulator are good for practice, with the math as to how much and when to raise bets,etc.
I played this strategy last night, and man is that second roll nerve racking. You can go down very quickly, but you can also make it up really quickly also! I think you do need a larger bankroll cause on the second roll they roll two yo’s in a row, that’s half of it there. Also, if the 6 or 8 rolled, I took no action and went straight to the 3 point moly......
Thank you for your videos, I watch each one of them, and have learned a lot!
Thanks for watching all my videos. Yeah, I can't do this strategy, losing $75 is too much for me personally.
Chris,
First off #wahoowa. Second, there is a ton of risk in this strategy. Just watch videos where others sneak a camera to a craps table and record random shooters. The number of times these people 7 out when one would have had $75 on the DC is ridiculous. I’ve even done simulated rolls on a free computer app and this strategy stinks.
Henry Schumann Wahoowa! I played this strategy twice this week. Once I was down and had enough to play the $75 DC and came all the way back ($400 buy in). Like people have suggested before, I think you need a larger bankroll to really play this. Second time i played, DC lost twice in a row with 11’s, so I just switched to the 3 point moly the rest of the way..... so I can go pretty quickly like you suggested. I do like it, but I think $600-$700 bankroll would be a good start.
Thank you for all the awesome videos. I found this after requesting it on another video.
Love this strategy- hopefully at a slow table for starters 👍
Dealers absolutely hate players who do this! It’s a hedge upon a hedge upon a hedge. You spin your wheels wasting everyone’s time & don’t get anywhere. You lose that DC & you’re stuck. Never seen anyone win doing this
you can hedge the 75 dont come wi6th 5 on the yo 11 and then hedge it agin with 5 on doubles for 5 on either of the even 4 6 8 or 10 to help reduce the odds of that loss for a mere 5 dollars at least reduce the 4 or 10 down 50 more percent to loose your money as badly
Rule Question: At 4:18 you use the Off-Button for the Place Bets. I though this only happens during a new Come Out Roll, after the Point was hit. Where is my understanding mistake?
It happens automatically on the Come Out roll, and you have to ask the dealer any other time you want your place bets to be off.
This strategy is all about hedging risk. So when you put $75 on Don't Come, you have the dealer mark your place bets off. That way if you shoot a 7 - the easiest number to roll - you've minimized your losses.
You could take your place bets down instead, and then put them back when the Don't Come is established, but your dealer will hate your guts for making him work harder.
@jim ford Thanks for good explanation. I would add...You can ask the dealers to turn any of your bets off at any time except a pass line bet or a come bet and they will place the small marker on your bets. You could also just ask them to return them to you.
would a few bucks on a single 4 to 1 "any 7" bet on the the exposed "Don't Come" bet on the second roll help eliminate the risk of a total loss? Its seems like cheap one roll insurance to avoid the loss with no offsetting win.
I’ve tried this strategy multiple time and paired with dice setting and have been successful... I would never play this way with dice thrower like u lol. Good video but dice setting is key to avoid numbers.
I show how strategies work with random rolls, if you can control the dice your results should be that much better.
Dice setting doesn’t do a damn thing because you’re required to hit the alligator wall. SMH...
Win big lose small, is a name I heard off, from craps down under
Exactly what I was looking for. Going to have to watch it a few times to get it down. But, the comp points are going to stack up a lot faster than the usual "6/8 hedge" I play that in also learned from color up. Wish there was a simpler way of doing it. Great video. Thank you
This one has a lot of moving parts, but have heard its good for comps...going to be more money at risk than a 6/8 hedge though.
I absolutely love it. I hope you play on a $25 table please. Thanks! :)
Very hard to follow on a busy table. And Telling the dealer on off every other roll will piss them off. Tips make them happy. A few times I forgot my DC number was taken down. I do Better on smaller crowds early mornings. two 7’s in a row will wipe you out quick.
I play this strategy but with a "3-2-1" strategy for the pass line odds and only single odds to start for the come bets.
I decided to try this for one hour at the wizard of odds free craps table. They start you at 10,000. The low point I hit was down 445 dollars, which shows me that you really shouldn't start this with a 300 dollar bankroll. The high point I hit was up 876 dollars, at which point on a real table I would have walked. At the end of one hour I was up 500 dollars. I am surprised that it worked so well. I actually could probably had a bit more because a few times I forgot the come bet to my detriment.
Well its based on a random number generator, each day you try it you will most likely get varying results. Some days you may drop 1000 or more to start, others you may go up 1000 or more.
Ok love the strategy only thing I didn’t do is establish odds on bets
In my eyes once we establish that “don’t come number” we not hoping for the 7 out but at the same time 7 definitely has a better chance of showing up.
So I make all my place bets but I don’t add odds honestly. Not on the pass line nor the place bets.
So if I do 7 out early I didn’t lose at all because I have $85 bet if I do get a 7 from the come and the DC bet but I only have $50 or less on all other bets.
But that’s just my vision on it. If I’m not making sense let me know.
Finally understand it after watching it like 5 times lol. I’m a complete noob at the game. I took me awhile to understand the lingo and odd this and that. But it becomes very mechanical. Just hoping your DC lands on 4/5 is big cuz the probability of hitting those numbers are lower than 6/8. Interesting strategy i need to try it when i go to NV soon with buddies
This ones a little complicated, for both dealer and player. Make sure you understand it well and the payoffs before trying with real money. I do have a free beginner course on my website that is very detailed. Colorup.club
Very nice system. I was wondering why you don't start
the come out roll with the $75 DP vs $10 pass line
then $75DC? By starting with the $75 DP you save a
roll and you can place bet all the other numbers after
your DP bet. In your technique, you risk the initial $10
also if a seven hits (I understand you could hit a 7-11
on come out roll). So, if you $75DP first roll you save a
roll and have $10 less at risk. Please let me know.
Thanks
I’m showing someone else’s strategy, I don’t know why they chose the way they created strategy. If you can improve with your ideas, that’s the goal.
As as craps player, the reason you wouldn't start off with a $75 DP is because you generally want to go with playing the right (light) side along with the rest of the table so you can cheer the hits along with the table. If you start off with a DP, you're rooting against the shooter.
I have watched these videos and my question is this: would it be wise to place a smaller DC bet and then take odds on that bet when the point is established to limit exposure if the seven is rolled on the come out roll?
I believe so.
I used this strategy with a slight variation. I don’t put odds on my come bets. I was able to make $332 in about 2 hours of play. It was fun.
nice win!
Hey Color up! great video and well explained. I realized your layout might be a bit off. for the 2.3.11,12 prop bets, shouldn't it say 31 for 1 or 30 to 1? Would it be beneficial to do a 3-way bet every time you have a come bet?
All layouts are a bit different. The odds of rolling the 2 or 12 is 1 out of 36 stated as 35 to 1 (35:1), so as long as the casino pays less they have an edge. For the 3 or 11 the odds of rolling are 2 out of 36 stated as 17 to 1(17:1), so they will always pay less than that. Anything below 35 to 1 and 17 to 1, will make a profit for the casino. As to is this beneficial? Mathmatically no, as you will always lose more than the odds of rolling them. But if you like to take insurance, sure, play how you are most comfortable.
I like playing field with it, also. Like video
I haven’t read all the comments but was wondering if you would ever Lay odds on your don’t come bet?
At my local casino there is only bubble Craps with a $35 limit. Can you recommend a variation on this?
My favorite Bubble Craps method of play is not this as you won't be able to accomplish everything in earnest with a $35 limit (In Colorado it is a $100 limit).
I like to view the results board ( I assume your machine has one) My bets will equal the number of sevens of the last 12 rolls.
I wait for the come out roll and place bet the 5 6 8 9.
For example if the board shows 4 sevens, then I will have $4 on each of those place bet numbers.
If I win or there is no decision, my bets stay up.
Only as the number of sevens (of the last 12 rolls) starts decreasing, will I decrease my bets.
If I lose, I wait for the next come out roll and bet accordingly.
Deep down, I know a "results board" is not any indication of the future but there is a thing called probability.
But importantly, you are VARYING your bets, this seems to be the key to winning.
I've usually shown a profit in any given session.
If the limit starts getting in the way, get a friend to come along and play beside you.
If you decide to try it, let me know how it works for you.
this does look very interesting and a always busy way to play craps ...... it seems versatile and il keep watching i am a little confused as to what numbers i can come down on and also wanted to ask . could a person per say if they kept hitting there place bets and put them on the dont come , and increase your odds that way provided the point does not roll and your feeling red is going to show up .
Can my wait to try this method
I tried this and seem to have more luck starting with a $75 don’t pass instead of the $10 pass followed by the $75 DC to start off with. I know you lose the odds if you hit the point, but you get a better return if you 7 out.
Interesting tweak, thanks for feedback.
Where do you get your chips? I'd like to find some cheap, simple chips, with denominations....Thanks in advance.
Amazon - nex gen pro classic about $0.25 each, you can find cheaper, mine seem good value
@@ColorUp thank you. I'll check it out.
I tried this strategy and was fairly successful. I am not quite comfortable yet using the 75DC on a live table. Unfortunately the only bubble machine on the Gulf Coast has 2X odds. Would using this strategy work well with just Place Bets and no Come bet? I place 10, press to 20 and then to 25. On 4 and 10 I usually press straight to 25.
where on the gulf coast is there a bubble machine
@@nelfiz04 IP Casino in Biloxi. It is on the same floor as the table games. The Aruze Gaming website says there is one at Harrahs in New Orleans but I have not been there.
With my luck, my Don't Pass money will travel to a 4 or a 10, I'll get all excited, and then the very next roll will be that number again, against all odds.... OVER and OVER again....
My luck too. I have had 4,10,5,9,6,8 all covered on the don't and I have had them all picked off one by one. I couldn't believe it.
Would you need to do a 100 DC if the table minimum is $15?
Do not shoot or drink heavily btw. When shooting I have failed to keep track of my system!,,,,,
You could hedge your initial Pass Line bet with an Any Craps bet.
I've run this on my craps app. Suggestion: when $75 don't come is on the 10 or 4 put $10 on the hard 10 or 4 to reduce losses of one more dice combo.
I'd put money to cover any of the Hard numbers (4, 6, 8, or 10).....Maybe just 5 instead of 10 if you are dealing with the 6 or 8. The ideal is to not feel the sting as much when that number does hit.
As for this strategy, it was one of the first strategies I tried and it killed me in the casino. I was able to do it on an at home app but in the casino I was making all kinds of mistakes. After playing for a few months and becoming more comfortable at the table i've sense tried this strategy and am able to play the strategy at the table but haven't returned to it too often.
ua-cam.com/video/NHGW5aUTMJc/v-deo.html This is a strategy that was covered here earlier on Color Up and the link to "Brent's video" can be found on this page.....he even makes light of the above strategies referring to the $75 don't come bet as a leap of faith gesture. Which once you start playing this at the casino and you lose a couple of those $75.00 don't come bets with a 7 on that roll, it just completely destroys this strategy.
Another problem that I have with this system after I've played it a few times and now have played craps a little more and have some ideal what I'm talking about is that the real payout takes a while. Let's say you get through that don't come $75.00 bet and lets say your DC is the beautiful 4 or 10 giving you the best chances for avoiding the "dreaded number" and lets say you even take another combination out by placing a $5 or $10 hardway bet.....you still place all the numbers, place the 10, and then when you hit the first number, you really see no profit, maybe only a couple of bucks that is left over after you put the 2x odds on the come bet that is now at a number. You then turn around and put another come bet out there.....and this video was a perfect example, he hit every number and put 2x odds on all of the numbers that the come bet traveled to and was NEVER seeing real profit because he was never stacking chips.....the chips just kept going out, goiing out, going out on the table. Now, the real strategy dictates that if you hit with 2x odds, I think he then takes it up to 4x odds......now, at this point money is going to be made. Even if you just went up to 3x odds, the money you get from your 2x odds win is going to pay the 3x or 4x bets and put some back in your pocket.....and you are off to the races...........again, after playing the game for a little bit now, how often to we actually see rolls where you are able to extablish a point, successfully get another DC out there, now place the numbers, hit a single number multiple times getting up to 2x, 3x odds and then be off to the races.......it rarely happens.........and if it does, as long as you were playing with the shooter and had money on the number that was hitting, which we all do once we see a shooter hit any number over a few times......any strat is going to win with a shooter like that, so why risk that 75 DC when in the long run it is probably only winning you a few bucks on most shooters?
Thanks for the feedback.
What app do you have
Android Google Play Store, type in craps... a couple different ones come up
I have also gone one step further after I have most my odds out on the Come bets I have out I wil place small bets on the hops numbers of the DC I have established so it hedges that I may loose a little bit every time but I am winning more than I loose every time and it covers me if the DC is hit.
Is this the same as a Lay?
Btw, all your videos are great! Thank you
Tried this one a few years ago and lost tons. Fun to watch u run it thru, tho
Bummer, that stinks about the lose. Thanks for watching
i play this strtegy and lost 31 time inroll
Nice vid though, thanks for taking the time, it was funny watching someone do so many things for no particular reason
This is interesting complex, but interesting.....What free on line trainer would you recommend? Wizzard of Odds won't let you turn place bets off. I'd like to learn this...a little too involved for my practice layout IMO
Blue Star Industrial Arts sadly I haven’t found an app or online craps sim that I would recommend
on Wizard of odds you just hit clear and it will clear all of the bets that can be turned off. Unfortunately you have to put them back up again.
I will have to practice this a bunch to get it in my head. But I like too
its easy to mess up on this one
Would you hedge your don't come
Would doing this at a half bet amount work for a five dollar table with a 37-40 don’t come or should I just do it the prescribed way?
Yeah, just Half all the amounts for a $5 table
This is by far my favorite strategy. It looks a lot more complicated than it is.... I would suggest not splitting chips on the 6 and 8. Play $20 place bets on the 4,5,9,10 and $30 on the 6 and 8. Little bit more risk, but if you hit 2 consecutive numbers after the don't come is placed, is almost impossible to lose money on that shooter (after 4 hits it is impossible). Also I always play the field on the come out when playing this strategy - mostly as crap out protection. (3 and 7 is even money, 2, 4, 10, 11 and 12 earn, 6 ,8 lose but result in a good point, 5 loses and the point is mediocre)
Played this at home to try it out. Lost $675 in 1.5 hours. Won’t be bringing this to the casino. My $300 bankroll was gone in 10 minutes and I don’t feel like the rolls were unusually bad.
Yeah, definitely don't play a Strat you are not comfortable with
Ty
Color up have a good night
Thanks for stopping by to chat
On this strategy, wouldn't it be better if you just did the minimum DC and laid odds against it?
Hedging against a 7 and having active bets to potentially gain minimum profit is basically the strategy. Potential to lose lots of money on PSO (Point Seven Out) to win X small amount of dollars with an average 6-10 roll hand. I've been on tables where 4 consecutive different rollers PSO. @Jonny Bravo makes a good point to be a good comp earner.
Thanks for the input. PSO is a killer for most strategies for sure.
How should I address the pit man when placing the 4,5,6,8,9, and 10 initially ? Do I have to literally say place the 4,5,6,8,9, and 10?... minus of course the point.
That’s called an “across bet” so $10 table would be “$64 across please” if you are playing the pass then it would be $54 across or $52 across depending if the 6/8 is the point.
Thanks!
If you came out first on the don't pass instead of the pass line bet, you could then lay the odds to cover your bet the $75 bet
Sure, but what covers the don't pass for come out roll? There is no way to hedge everything :)
You're coming out for the minimum, and then using the odds to cover the come out bet.
@@legionyinword Ok, sure, interesting variation
This strategy is fun if the dice cooperate. After about my 3rd lost DC it turns into work and not fun anymore.
As a new gambler, thank you for your amazing content. I’ve learned so much! What are your thoughts on having a field bet instead of bets on 4, 9 and 10? I’m still new to craps but wonder if it would be advantageous to start with the field bet and then if the 4, 9 or 10 hits you can use your winnings on place bets. I’ve been testing it out on wizard of odds but would love some feedback.
Thats fine, I do that sometimes to cover the numbers, but personally don't like to stay in the field long
So after the 75 moves over and the point is hit. Can you take down the 75 like the place bets? Reason im asking is two different craps apps do different things. one lets me take down the 75 and the other doesn't. I was wondering how the casino does it
Casinos will allow you to remove a Don't come bet at any time. But removing don't bets is not a good idea, here is a video explaining why. ua-cam.com/video/tX-YxlO3PmQ/v-deo.html
Ive played this before & have had good nights, & a cold nights as well.
After watching several other of your videos, my question to you is wouldnt this be a smarter bet as playing a dont pass, then placing/buying across, since money down on odd & come bets need to be 5x to be more profitable than equal dollar place bets?
while true the place bets pay more until you play over 5x odds, the house edge on come bets with odds is much lower, so theoretically over the long run you will lose less money playing the come with odds. The winning 7 on the come out roll for each come bet can't be discounted. Its hard to compare, they are very different ways to play.
How do you think you would do if after the point is established, lay 4 or 10 for 150 and place bets and the come bet?
DOn't know, just depends how the dice roll.
You think this strategy would work on a 15 dollar table ? With an appropriate adjustment of cash ?
Sure any strategy can work regardless of table minimum. It all just depends on the dice that day, obviously betting higher amounts your losses add up quicker but I understand some parts of country don’t have options :(
hello is there a color up video for six and eight with a $2300 bankroll?
Plenty of 6/8 videos, I do not talk about that large a bankroll typically
Why did u put double odds on the 5 first instead of the other numbers like 9 or 8?
The creators of the strategy suggest double odds on the come bets, and when they when keep increasing your odds.
Unless you take 4X & 5X odds or higher your place bets win more PLUS you have options, same bet, press it, make it look like 6 etc. The come bets lose on the come out 7 but your place bets don't. Go to Come VS place bets by Garrison and learn don't more. The math does NOT LIE. Place bets pay more under 5X odds. BUT how big is your budget??? Most players do NOT take more than 5X odds and most tables limit this because of this. Good luck at the tables G. P.S. You are NOT playing for the House advantage you are playing for money a higher ROI.
Garrison I cover this in another video “place vs come”
Tried this in a simulator. Was up 600 then proceeded to lose 1500. There were several instances where I rolled my don’t come point followed by a 7 or 11 and lost the don’t come again. Merciless.
@John W I also tried the strategy with a simulator using $10 minimum bets. In 20 or so simulations, only a few ended with more than the $300 I started with. Never near $4000. One simulation, after quite a few rolls, the "Don't Come" hit, bye $75. At the time, the numbers were covered by $70 in place and come bets. Put the $75 in "Don't Come". Next roll was a 7. Lost $220 in two rolls. Good thing it was only a simulation. I must be doing something wrong with this strategy or it is the simulator.
@@oldguy5119 If the don't come hits, you are supposed to turn off all place bets and odds. Sometimes i won't place another don't come until the point is hit or there is a seven out and new shooter. Granted, I have only tried this on a simulator too, but at least that way you aren't at risk of losing the $75 don't come along with up to $40 in place bets.
Don't forget to hedge your DC if it is a 4,6,8, or 10 using the hard ways, to lower your risk of it hitting. Just played using this with $200 and walked out with $1000. You really need hot rollers though.
Thanks for the video ,
You bet
Hey there. When you say around 10 minutes "hopefully the dealer will be gracious with me" after forgetting your come bet, are you saying that some dealers will recognize your strategy and allow you the come bet even though you didn't actually have it down? They would just ask you for your money and place it where the come hits?
Yes, if you are a good customer, sometimes they will help in situations like that. Usually have to get managers ok first.
@@ColorUp Thanks for the reply! You're awesome and I appreciate you.
Do you think you wouldn’t lose as much money if you didn’t keep the numbers pressed on the new come out roll once the shooter has already hit his point? For example I saw you lost $160 only after 3 rolls. If you didn’t press the numbers and only left $10 on the numbers you would’ve lost less?
Sure, any time you add to your bet you have more at risk. They larger the risk, the larger the reward or lose, at that point it just depends on how the dice roll.
would it be worth it to cover the hardways for a nickel each time you had an even number for your d/c bet as insurance, especially on the 4/10 in essence taking away 33.3% of losses? good vid thanks.
"worth it" is subjective. hardway bets are risky, high house edge bets. But if they hit they are great.
I am 6 mins in, and so far I like the hat, hide the bald spot, but I would have "placed" the bets on the second throw, when you are working against the 7, you would have made money on the 5. Then the five would have paid and also went to the don't after it hit. Unfortunately the five hit and we lost the don't. I love the aggression, but I would have went with the 3 point molly on the come, so as not to risk so much on the come bets.
The hat is a good help for the bald spot. :) Thanks for the strat input as well..
When you hit a simple place bet after everything has been established, why can’t you just take (bank) those winnings? Ex. You hit the Place bet 5 which $10 pays $14 and just rack your $14? Isn’t the idea to get money into your rack? Sorry if juvenile question. This way all place bets become profit and minimizes 7 out loses?
because placing those winnings on the odds of the come bet is what makes you the money. the odds on the come bet are true odds and it requires a come bet to be able to bet that so in a sense, not betting it (with casino money) is a waste.
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9:40. "I forgot my come bet but hopefully the dealer will be gracious with me." :lol: If you find a dealer like that, let me know. I don't know of too many who will risk his job and his casino license to put down your $10 come bet after the dice have rolled.
I see it happen, although the dealer never makes the call, they usually run it by the pit to decide. Its good customer service for a player that has been consistently playing the same way.
Why don’t you place odds on the DC bet?
Love the video keep them coming
I’ve seen this many times probably watched it 20 or more.
Ive watched a few times myself, lot going on.