@@Digiphex I will walk out of a performance if I see some egged criticizing the cutoff point of a keyboard string sound. Not necessarily because he's wrong, mind you, but because he's a world class nerd and he's going to scare all the girls away and although I love music too, I'm pretty much just here to get laid.
After much deliberation and coming from a Korg Triton Extreme, I just bought a Fantom 6. On a positive note, the sounds are great, and the controls for those sounds are very comprehensive. It connects to my PC easily and acts as a 16 in/3 out USB interface - I use it with Cakewalk by Bandlab. The latest upgrade allows sample mapping to the keyboard, and some basic sample editing functions. However, for my two penn'orth, it has some real failings: 1. The navigation keys and the sequencer keys are all black against a black background and small - they need some contrast. 2. The memory does not appear to be expandable - 2 Gb is your lot, and when the free new expansions (17 in total before you start buying new ones), are all loaded in, it uses up over half the memory available, which is shared with the sampling and sequencing memory. 3. There is no facility to do a linear sequence - ie use the sequencer as a performance recorder. I often build a song from patterns, but then solo over the top; this won't work with the 6. 4. After touch seems to be very insensitive - even changing the settings makes little difference to it's effectiveness. Sadly it often seems in the rush to get stuff to market, that one side of a new instrument is really well developed, whilst other functions found in previous models are neglected or lost.
yikes! That being said then Korg Kronos 2 88keys is still better than the new Roland Fantom I guess ha? 🙂✌ Thank you! Looks like I have to save up for a new Yamaha Montage 8 then. 🙂 Thank you!
I sold my Kronos 2 88key and Im going to buy the new Fantom. It is amazing. I like the sound better then the Kronos. Its easier to get around the keyboard features too.
@@xp50player, 2019 fantom is also 128 voice polyphony and 4 parts per patch. No difference. They only (as an addition) threw virtual synth engine found on jupiter 80 and V-Piano. Other then this in my perspective there's nothing special for me.
I member the FA 06 had instrument layering I wasn't really blowing away with it as I'm able to they are much more on the computer digital audio workstations but the nice thing about these keyboard workstations is that you don't have to worry about crackling or popping due to the computer and operating system of a desktop what usually happens if I stack on around 5 instruments that have quite a few effects on them individually
Ok,16 sounds per 1 ZONE. If i want to choose Performance on the FLY which song will be next on the stage depends on the singer and dance floor, is there any Pending load for Scenes ? Are they easy to navigate scrolling for each page? ( Set Lists in this situation not working out, Pending load?)
If Roland just would add full function sampling features in this Fantom, so that you can also adjust and tweak your own samples, the same way you can adjust and tweak factory presets, as you can do in Yamaha Montage, in that case i could seriously consider buying Roland Fantom.
@@mr.c1989 - yes, you can sample into the Fantom, or import samples. You can make single shot samples, or multi-samples. Can be used in patches, drum kits or whatever.
I don’t mean to be making a direct comparison between the two in a broad sense, but can this Fantom produce synth sounds that are possible on the Kong Minilogue XD? The Minilogue does a very good job at sound production. Could the Fantom imitate those sounds?
I mean, it's hard to say. Every keyboard has their own unique sonic features, especially with analog. I'm sure it can get close, but it's a question of how close do you want it. The other side is the Minilogue is far more of an intuitive keyboard and less of a learning curve. Workstations can take years to really dive under the hood to see what it's capable of. The best thing that I can see for this board is it's ability to connect with computers and even have some CV for the Minilogue, Korg Volcas or Moog's Semi Modular stuff.
Can anyone from Roland explain why they left the super natural acoustics engine out there... for drawbars, guitars, keys, brass, saxes and many more, it was just brilliant in the integra 7 and jupiter 8.. a true all around workstation needs those sounds in high quallity... onboard.. for live sutuations.. having to rely on pcm for these voices is just a step back. And a big one at that.
xp50player yes, heared Ed Diaz has confirmed this on a facebook group, they will be adding the super natural acoustic engine and (some) sounds in the future
then why didn't they just wait a little longer, and THEN, release it with the Super Natural sounds???????? I have an FA, and an Integra, and 99.9 percent of the time, I use the Supernatural sounds OVER the PCM sounds....
@@xsamitt you can now "get" the Supernatural sounds on the Fantom, but , as usual, it is a convoluted process that will drive the average person batty....again, they should have been there from the get go, or better yet, come out with a new technology that is SO good, that people will have forgotten the Supernatural sounds.....
William A-D - the 16 tones/zones in a Scene can be from any tone bank, you just have to assign them. If you want to use multiple layered Scene sounds simultaneously, you would have to combine them into one somehow.
That's not an replacement for my FG6. It has no real sample engine, just pad samples and no audio tracks. This isn't a Fantom but a FA-X with V-Piano and Korg Gadget like sequencer. Not bad, but much too expensive for being NOT a Workstation.
Ironically, the mix between narrative and keyboard are so far off I have to ride the volume. This is basic stuff boys! The clunk of the keyboard is louder than the synth
It’s a pass for me because of the big huge faux pas of not making samples that you make playable on the keyboard. That’s ridiculous talking about dropping the ball
these stupid critics how dare you talk so badly about the fantom. it is new it is awesome it sounds mega man has fast wirklfow and the drums are also mega I have a fantom and I am super satisfied with logic pro x + ableton princip
The most important thing in an instrument workstation or whatever..is the sound...In this (Fantom) i dont like the sound..I have a fantom g 7 and i am not totaly satisfited whith its sound...What can i say..Yamaha (Montage)is the leader of the market for its quality....Ah..And the price of this thing is very expensive $3000 or more......I am desapointed because of so many time waiting for a Workstation from Roland and we have this...What can i say?????
Introduction 0:00:18
Reason 1: You can split it to 16 instruments at once 0:00:54
Reason 2: Really interactive touch screen 0:04:07
Reason 3: A massive synthesizer section 0:06:29
Reason 4: Really powerful sequencer 0:10:07
Reason 5: The amazing sound engine 0:16:07
Thanks, you saved me 18 minutes!
Thank you
Love how the patch plays on when selecting new so the gig in my parent's basement for my cat will not be ruined for an abrupt patch change.
Not fun getting hit in the face with a wet hairball from a disgruntled cat out in the crowd.
@@davearonow65 I will walk out of a performance if I hear an errant string sound that is cut off prematurely. This was my greatest concern.
@@Digiphex I will walk out of a performance if I see some egged criticizing the cutoff point of a keyboard string sound. Not necessarily because he's wrong, mind you, but because he's a world class nerd and he's going to scare all the girls away and although I love music too, I'm pretty much just here to get laid.
InstaBlaster.
Got a fantom 6 today. Love it so far. 👍
Great and informative video … thank you!!
After much deliberation and coming from a Korg Triton Extreme, I just bought a Fantom 6. On a positive note, the sounds are great, and the controls for those sounds are very comprehensive. It connects to my PC easily and acts as a 16 in/3 out USB interface - I use it with Cakewalk by Bandlab. The latest upgrade allows sample mapping to the keyboard, and some basic sample editing functions. However, for my two penn'orth, it has some real failings: 1. The navigation keys and the sequencer keys are all black against a black background and small - they need some contrast. 2. The memory does not appear to be expandable - 2 Gb is your lot, and when the free new expansions (17 in total before you start buying new ones), are all loaded in, it uses up over half the memory available, which is shared with the sampling and sequencing memory. 3. There is no facility to do a linear sequence - ie use the sequencer as a performance recorder. I often build a song from patterns, but then solo over the top; this won't work with the 6. 4. After touch seems to be very insensitive - even changing the settings makes little difference to it's effectiveness. Sadly it often seems in the rush to get stuff to market, that one side of a new instrument is really well developed, whilst other functions found in previous models are neglected or lost.
yikes! That being said then Korg Kronos 2 88keys is still better than the new Roland Fantom I guess ha? 🙂✌ Thank you! Looks like I have to save up for a new Yamaha Montage 8 then. 🙂 Thank you!
Fantom 8 owner here! Couldn't be happier with a keyboard!
I sold my Kronos 2 88key and Im going to buy the new Fantom. It is amazing. I like the sound better then the Kronos. Its easier to get around the keyboard features too.
I’m trying to choose between the 2 at the moment. They both look great!
I can split and layer 16 instruments on any previous roland workstation.
FA06/07/08?
@@gooddj11, never has FA. But, XP, X, G versions did.
Montage/MODX can only do 8, Motif 4. 16 parts in previous Roland synths didn’t go far with 64/128 polyphony and 4-tone stereo patches.
@@xp50player, 2019 fantom is also 128 voice polyphony and 4 parts per patch. No difference. They only (as an addition) threw virtual synth engine found on jupiter 80 and V-Piano. Other then this in my perspective there's nothing special for me.
I member the FA 06 had instrument layering I wasn't really blowing away with it as I'm able to they are much more on the computer digital audio workstations but the nice thing about these keyboard workstations is that you don't have to worry about crackling or popping due to the computer and operating system of a desktop what usually happens if I stack on around 5 instruments that have quite a few effects on them individually
I love my fantom!
Ok,16 sounds per 1 ZONE.
If i want to choose Performance on the FLY which song will be next on the stage depends on the singer and dance floor, is there any Pending load for Scenes ? Are they easy to navigate scrolling for each page? ( Set Lists in this situation not working out, Pending load?)
If Roland just would add full function sampling features in this Fantom, so that you can also adjust and tweak your own samples, the same way you can adjust and tweak factory presets, as you can do in Yamaha Montage, in that case i could seriously consider buying Roland Fantom.
Done. 2.0 update
@@xp50player 2.0 update allows this entirely?
@@mr.c1989 - yes, you can sample into the Fantom, or import samples. You can make single shot samples, or multi-samples. Can be used in patches, drum kits or whatever.
I don’t mean to be making a direct comparison between the two in a broad sense, but can this Fantom produce synth sounds that are possible on the Kong Minilogue XD? The Minilogue does a very good job at sound production. Could the Fantom imitate those sounds?
I mean, it's hard to say. Every keyboard has their own unique sonic features, especially with analog. I'm sure it can get close, but it's a question of how close do you want it. The other side is the Minilogue is far more of an intuitive keyboard and less of a learning curve. Workstations can take years to really dive under the hood to see what it's capable of. The best thing that I can see for this board is it's ability to connect with computers and even have some CV for the Minilogue, Korg Volcas or Moog's Semi Modular stuff.
What is the pricing on this unit? I can't seem to find it anywhere yet.
Can anyone from Roland explain why they left the super natural acoustics engine out there... for drawbars, guitars, keys, brass, saxes and many more, it was just brilliant in the integra 7 and jupiter 8.. a true all around workstation needs those sounds in high quallity... onboard.. for live sutuations.. having to rely on pcm for these voices is just a step back. And a big one at that.
Jules Berkhof - rumored for future update.
xp50player yes, heared Ed Diaz has confirmed this on a facebook group, they will be adding the super natural acoustic engine and (some) sounds in the future
then why didn't they just wait a little longer, and THEN, release it with the Super Natural sounds???????? I have an FA, and an Integra, and 99.9 percent of the time, I use the Supernatural sounds OVER the PCM sounds....
@@DrGargani Did they add it after?
@@xsamitt you can now "get" the Supernatural sounds on the Fantom, but , as usual, it is a convoluted process that will drive the average person batty....again, they should have been there from the get go, or better yet, come out with a new technology that is SO good, that people will have forgotten the Supernatural sounds.....
Does it have multi mode for when you want to use more than one sound in a bank when your connected to midi?
xp50player so can you build a few tracks on the keyboard through your daw in different banks?
William A-D - the 16 tones/zones in a Scene can be from any tone bank, you just have to assign them. If you want to use multiple layered Scene sounds simultaneously, you would have to combine them into one somehow.
@James Purvis you need more options than that to make a beat
Some of the pads not lit why.
Excellent!
That's not an replacement for my FG6. It has no real sample engine, just pad samples and no audio tracks. This isn't a Fantom but a FA-X with V-Piano and Korg Gadget like sequencer. Not bad, but much too expensive for being NOT a Workstation.
you got a full remodeled sampler in Logic Pro 10.5, and this beast got deep Logic integration. 🤷🏾♂️
Ironically, the mix between narrative and keyboard are so far off I have to ride the volume. This is basic stuff boys! The clunk of the keyboard is louder than the synth
It has one mode and that one mode got you covered.
It's a FA-X, not a Fantom.
TheYoudog - it has Single Tone button too, which is Single Mode.
There was a lot of tension like you two didn’t like each other very much.
Organ sounds better or good from Nord?
That piano sound.....3:41....sounds exactly like the piano sound on my daughters £60 keyboard!!
And your point is?
It’s a pass for me because of the big huge faux pas of not making samples that you make playable on the keyboard. That’s ridiculous talking about dropping the ball
these stupid critics how dare you talk so badly about the fantom. it is new it is awesome it sounds mega man has fast wirklfow and the drums are also mega I have a fantom and I am super satisfied with logic pro x + ableton princip
Why are the vocals SO freakin loud and the Keyboard is barely audible? You do not give the Roland Sonic justice!!! Fail!
this is a Nord Access stage 3 virus T2...….
Oh man, I like those apples!
The sound from the synth was horrible in this video.
The most important thing in an instrument workstation or whatever..is the sound...In this (Fantom) i dont like the sound..I have a fantom g 7 and i am not totaly satisfited whith its sound...What can i say..Yamaha (Montage)is the leader of the market for its quality....Ah..And the price of this thing is very expensive $3000 or more......I am desapointed because of so many time waiting for a Workstation from Roland and we have this...What can i say?????
Yet another video that completely ignores the sampler or answer the questions CAN WE PLAY SAMPLES ACROSS KEYS????
I dont know what to get.🤦🏻♂️
This fantom
White montage 88
Korg pa4x 76
Yamaha Genos
Instead of saying it sounds phenomenal, you guys could have showcased some 'phenomenal' sounds... don't you think?:
Check out our 'just playing, no talking' video.
Kronos x ever
Please play and not talk so much
please check out just playing video