US-Mexico Border 🇺🇸🇲🇽 History you should know
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- The border between the United States and Mexico is an incredibly contentious subject. It is an unending controversy. But learning some history may alleviate that issue, at least a modicum. Our two countries are connected, but separate. There has never been an all-encompassing nor correct perspective on the matter. For most of its existence, tension and cohesion has defined relations, governance, and culture along this imaginary boundary. It bled in both directions, not only through violence, but through interconnection. The history of the US-Mexico border is a long and winding one, much like the border itself. The line that separates America from Mexico has seen filibusters, wars, unity, freedom, restriction, militarization, smuggling, stealing, sneaking, barrier building, cultural solidarity, cooperation, deportation, and refuge. It’s up to the politicians of both sides to decide which of those things they want to emphasize in the future. The border remains a contentious issue, but in order to propose how to solve it, one must first know the history imbued in it. No decision is without context.
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Ernesto Castañeda, Building Walls: Excluding Latin People in the United States (Lanham, Mar.: Lexington Books, 2019). amzn.to/4ajF2n1
Linda B. Hall and Don M. Coerver, Revolution on the Border: The United States and Mexico, 1910-1920 (Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1988). amzn.to/3yotKAl
Joseph Hall-Patton, "Great Excitement: Violent Incorporations of the American Southwest," dissertation, University of New Mexico, 2023. digitalrepository.unm.edu/his...
Alan Knight, US-Mexican Relations, 1910-1940: An Interpretation (San Diego, Cal.: Center for US-Mexican Studies, 1987).
Rachel St. John, Line in the Sand: A History of the Western US-Mexico Border (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2011). amzn.to/3O0TjLj
These Ragged Edges: Histories of Violence along the US-Mexico Border, edited by Andrew J. Torget and Gerardo Gurza-Lavalle (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2022). amzn.to/4bvIxaT
Samuel Truett, Fugitive Landscapes: The Forgotten History of the US-Mexico Borderlands (New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 2006). amzn.to/3JVpnzg
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Ernesto Castañeda, Building Walls: Excluding Latin People in the United States (Lanham, Mar.: Lexington Books, 2019). amzn.to/4ajF2n1
Linda B. Hall and Don M. Coerver, Revolution on the Border: The United States and Mexico, 1910-1920 (Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1988). amzn.to/3yotKAl
Joseph Hall-Patton, "Great Excitement: Violent Incorporations of the American Southwest," dissertation, University of New Mexico, 2023. digitalrepository.unm.edu/hist_etds/341/
Alan Knight, US-Mexican Relations, 1910-1940: An Interpretation (San Diego, Cal.: Center for US-Mexican Studies, 1987).
Rachel St. John, Line in the Sand: A History of the Western US-Mexico Border (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2011). amzn.to/3O0TjLj
These Ragged Edges: Histories of Violence along the US-Mexico Border, edited by Andrew J. Torget and Gerardo Gurza-Lavalle (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2022). amzn.to/4bvIxaT
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I was wondering if we could get your views on the new movie by Viggo Mortensen, The Dead Don’t Hurt?
It’s a Western, but Viggo Mortensen says he’s trying to take a more nuanced and historically accurate approach to the genre - and instead of focusing the story on the man when he rides of to war, he’s focusing on the wife who’s left behind…
Aside from being an interesting story, I’m curious to what you think about the historical aspects of the movie, and if he achieved his goal!?
By his own account, it’s not intended as criticism of modern day America, but given both the political climate and the history of USA, there’s undoubtedly aspects where it’s easy to draw comparisons…
In the movie, he plays the husband, a Danish immigrant and veteran of the First Schleswig War/the Three Year War/the war of 1848 between Denmark and Germany, who fall in love with and marries a French woman played by Vicky Krieps.
They go to live in a small town, Elk Flats, in southern Nevada, (which I believe, apropos to this video, used to be a part of Mexico very close up to the point in time where the story starts), but when the Civil War breaks out, the husband feels an obligation to go to war once again - but this also means that the wife, as the central character in the story, is now left to fend for herself!
@@gorillaguerillaDKas a loyal citizen of Gondor I feel like I have a responsibility to watch this film.
My wife's family came out of Oaxaca. During visits in the 70s and 80s she still saw billboards and handbills from American agricorps and slaughterhouses promising jobs to those who could just get over the border. So while the US was publicly talking about closing the border, the corporations were continuing to incentivize movement to the north.
Yes, i agree.
I have always resented the us citizens for hating mexican illegals
When us citizens,
looking like farmers,
give jobs to Mexicans.
I have always felt that if the usa governing forces wanted to eliminate Mexican illegal workers,
Then the force should be on the few farmers who employ them.
The math formula works better.
@@Bigfatfrog83 I cannot even begin to say just how deeply offensive this remark is.
@@Bigfatfrog83 Hey didn't you know you right wingers were supposed to love Jews now in support of Israel?
@@8xottox8anti semis are on the side of the left. Haven't you been paying attention?
@@TheMysteryDriver Last I heard leftism was a Jewish Bolshevist plot. I guess I forgot to check FOX news for what my opinion was supposed to be today.
So many people talked about the US-Mexican border, but so few people want to talk about the financial relation between both sides of the border.
Go on, unless you want to keep it at alluding to something
A wall would not affect the financial relation between both sides
In conversation about the border; I’ll take it all the way back to the Mexican American war and work my way up.
By the time I arrive at the Braceto programs in the 1940’s and the forced sterilizations ect; the point I’m trying to made comes across.
@@just_a_turtle_chad who’s to say?
any certainty about the matter is just speculation.
@@SupermonkeyPlaysMC naw, financial connections are made Digital, where a physical wall dont really helps
My history professor back when he was a TA had a big bottle of beer when grading papers about this topic. He claimed that every time someone spelled Santa Anna as "Santana" that he would take a shot.
Im sorry for your loss
No, the Callahan invasion in 1850s had nothing to do with Indians , they were after run away slaves and loot . Please look this up
The singer?
Santana the Famous Rock legend?
I have a video making fun of that, hilariously enough: ua-cam.com/video/BNdtggu9D-M/v-deo.html
"No touching zone" there was in fact a lot of touching
Your get an A+ on your comment. You know, for understanding comedy.
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I've always had a deep disdain for a large part of Texas lone start pride because a lot of their history just shows that when they weren't being assholes to Mexico, they were failing to be independent in any way. Thanks for the large part of that coverage.
Bruh it’s not that deep. Mexico also failed when they became independent from Spain, and they continue to fail to this day. That doesn’t mean the country shouldn’t be proud of itself/history
@@evials9123 you clearly didn't watch the video or know anything about the history of Mexico. Please try again later when you're not so ineptly informed.
@@CatNibbles Texas was already beginning to surpass the Mexican economy even before it joined the US. Texans have a lot to be proud of considering they were able to fend off what was the largest Army in North America at the time. To this day they send more money to the federal government than they get back and arguably already operate somewhat independently from the us government. They would do very well as their own country. I suspect you’re a northerner with a weird hatred of southerns.
@@evials9123 again you're wrong, stop responding.
@CatNibbles No I don’t think I will :) Simply saying “no, you’re wrong” isn’t an argument. Come back when you actually have something to say
As a Mexican from Monterrey, NL I would like to thank you for talking about this subject, since most people in politics don't talk about it how they should and just focus on the migration problem.
Tell me about it…as an American of Mexican descent with Yaqui Native American and Spanish DNA, the story of the border is the story of me. I’ve done genetic testing and as far as I can see my family has always been in the Sonoran desert/Sierra Nevada region.
I do want to note that the Mexican American War was also a contributor over the discussion of slavery since New England abolitionists were against the war and saw it as just a way to expand the institution of slavery where as for slave owners, it was considered a war to stop the mixed Mexican tyrants from ruling over the Anglo-Americans. It also contributed to why the USA didn't annex the other rebellious states.
A quick book suggestion is Bad Mexicans by Kelly Hernandez. Much of what's covered here in the late 19th into the early 20th century is covered in extensive detail, alongside some interesting pieces of networking with Socialists and Anarchists leading up to the Mexican Revolution.
Slight correction from immigration attorney: DACA only protects some students or HS grads, depending on age when the program started, but not their parents. An attempt to extend the program, as you stated, did fail. It granted work permits and some ability to travel with permission, but no legal status.
Daca shouldn't have been protected....period!!
Thanks for this rich and important history. As a native Texan growing up in (central) Texas, I took 2 whole years of Texas history in elementary/middle school. Overlap between those classes and your video ended about at the 10 minute mark and I’m trying to learn more about border history now that I’m moving a lot closer to it. I learned some when I lived in Guanajuato, Mexico during the bicentenario in 2010 but I appreciate having this all laid out so clearly in my first language. Knowing exactly how easy it was for me, an American citizen, to live in Mexico for the better part of a year (legally, not that it seemed to matter much to anyone there at that time and how hard it was for my Mexican friends to even get visitor visas, made me even more passionate about the issue of immigration. We need a comprehensive overhaul of our immigration system, not through executive order, but through congress, like it should be. But congress is particularly disinclined to do, well, anything at the moment, especially not that. I have more to say, but I’ll stop there.
Yeah, I'm glad this guy seems like an actual history teacher, he seems like he might be genuine moderate or moderate conservative, he cares about actual history and doesn't try to push weird "althistory" like some other ppl on here...
as a chihuahuan american texan i thank you for this thorough and fact rich video 🤙🤙
Agree
The border "crisis" - we'll do anything but try to solve the problem of lack of resources to process the flow in a timely manner.
TRUTH. You NAILED it. Right on target!
They don't want to process the flow because they're mostly liars. They want to stop them.
Thanks for covering important stuff like this!
I've been living abroad for a few years now and it's not till you become separated from the American continent that you begin to realize how entangled the US and Mexico are. Whenever I try to explain a certain part of my culture to my students, I also have to explain bits and pieces of Mexican culture. This is especially true when I try to explain the culture of my home region (the southwest).
Born and raised in Rio grande city. Juan Cortina is a hero in my eyes. Thanks for a great video!
Haha. As a New Mexican I always say we don't like the Texans because they keep trying and failing to take over our state. Love the dig 😂
Another amazing video, thank you
Big fan of the channel. good to see new video.
I work with some of the maquilas in both sides of Nogales. I grew up here and if you’re ever back around here let me know and I can take you to a few places on both sides of the border so you can see how things work out here
If I am down there again, I'm always happy to get drinks. When I was down there, I basically setup shop at Hildas every night. I had a local historian (Ramon Garcia) guiding me around for a couple days, so I got to see the important sites for my work
I always appreciate you for the history sessions you share with us
Great video from someone about 3 miles from the border I learned a few things. Thanks!
I don't have too much to add here, but I think it's fun to note that Mesoamerican civilizations, in this case specifically the Maya seemingly, had trade routes past the border to Oasisamerican societies like the Ancestral Pueblo, Salado, and Hohokam: These weren't just indirect, A to B, B to C, C to D etc style trade routes, but Mesoamerican merchants seem to have directly travelled and traded up into what's now the Southwest and Northern Mexico with macaws, cacao, rubber balls, etc, and ball courts can be found at various sites in those areas. Moctezuma II also had a bison in his royal Zoo, and while the range of the Bison did extend into Northern Mexico at the time, that still would have been at least a thousand kilometers away from Tenochtitlan and it's possible the Bison could have been sourced from areas further north.
Definitely a class act putting this video together. The footage is fantastic. Excellent job once again
A very informative and entertaining video. Thank you for clearly explaining the history about this troubled region. No matter how much I think I know about history, I'm always learning something new.
Great research as always!!
One of the only history channels i can watch now… its wild how many history channels turn into alt right history channels 😂
I'm subbed to a lot of history channels and I don't think any one of them produces rightwing propaganda. I could be mistaken somewhere.
@@twonumber22 theres quite a few who inkle on the edge of eugenics and pseudoscience that when you dig deeper is related to some pretty gross shit
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty oh nice, I'm not familiar with those
Texas still has a Jeff Davis County, huh?
Surprised?
@@taxirob2248 Nah, I'm definitely to cynical of my fellow humans to be surprised. Its just an additional disappointment.
You should check out Brazil. They have a whole confederate day for run away southerners who wanted to keep slaving for another 30-40 years
@@rickb1973Why would you be dissapointed lol? He was a great leader and was also pretty influential even outside the confederacy.
I will say in fairness, Texas counties change very rarely past the reconstruction era. While it absolutely needs to be changed, it's been difficult because it's already such a rare thing, the pushing for it of the bigots aside.
This history video essay is excellent evidence that generational trauma should be a primary framework by which current Mexican politics, cartel violence, etc. are spoken of and understood.
So you’re saying America didn’t send their best.
And yet they complain when they get their karma
There are two driving forces which are often attributed to the rise of nationalism in Europe in the 19th century. First it has been suggested that intellectuals at this time believed that a common language within a territory would have great economic benefits. Supplementing this view is the perspective that as more and more people began to lose religious faith during the Enlightenment which saw the rise of modern science, nationalism helped fill this religious void by transferring love for god to love for ones country.
"Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarrelled with him?" - Blaise Pascal
Another banger from Cypher. Back too back too back
I love your cat. Great video man :3
Crazy interesting. Thanks for the video.
Fascinating thanks for making this
Excellent! Thank you!!
Amazing breakdown as always 🔥
Excellent video: props
Bro we needed this one
I absolutely love the lessons offered here. The history is detailed, and relevant to decisions made today. Keep up the great work. Thank you for all the hard work and research. Oh yeah….super entertaining too. I love seeing your little buddy, the kitty. Gotta be the coolest “history cat” on UA-cam !
Cant wait for more historical content from this channel!
51:00 I skipped the episode to see if King Richard had anything important to say.
A+ comment for understand the importance of praising our king.
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Good job keeping it objective🎉.
I came here to say "what about the alimo" but then realized that you mentioned you done a in depth vid on the war. Thank you awesome vid
Interesting, thanks!
This vid was worth my time to watch !
This was a seriously a fun video to watch. Though it may be simplified. History of those borderlands reads like a Rust or DayZ server.
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Different sides raiding, trading and fighting each other with no clearly defined lines based on nationality, ethnicity or cause other than their own greed and or survival.
Crack isnt a cheaper version of coke. Its just easier to sell in smaller quantities because its solid. When cooking coke into crack, anything used to cut it separates out.
This is why when buying coke to turn into crack, you need to purchase a much more pure product. This is known as 'cooking powder'. When you cook it up or ' straight drop' it, a ratio of 1 part sodium bicarbonate to 7 parts product is used. Although more baking soda can be used, its becomes obvious when smoking it. Hopefully now you can help me stopping the spread of this commonly held falsehood.
The truth is important, even when drugs are the topic.
Price vs retail price vs resell
Main takeaway is that the cat in the video is really cool
thanks for your video
1:16 this mf in greens' fit. Ayo!! He is stylish asf
The often forgotten but very real dynamic is that on both sides, the people are the exact same ethnicity, being mainly hispanic. It's a hard border, but it's one that was drawn worse than African borders.
Maybe getting really upset about fake lines on maps is really dumb in general, especially when it costs people their real, actual lives.
If our national border is more important to you than the life and safety of even one actual person, it tells me all I need to know about you
Caring about borders (ie the difference between someone elses jurisdiction and your own) is costing way more lives then one if neglected.
Dont stoop to this obvious of a strawman.
Its not even a partisan thing, just an optics show
@@TheGahta If the "wall" is causing women and children to drawn in the Rio Grande in the attempt to cross. Then it has caused more harm than should ever be allowed. No border is worth a life, even one
I need to clarify something, but Diaz didn't rule México for half a century. He ruled her for over 30 year, but 30 years doesn't account for half of something, but only a third.
1876-1911 = 35
Dude, another great video! I know you didn't talk about it in this video, but it would be cool if you can do a series on the aqueduct that formed the Salton Sea and how that was built on Mexican soil that was not preapproved by the Mexican government.
Lol mr beat getting that song in our heads every time
Now i have secret tunnel in my head
I love the objectiveness of these videos this is one of the best I've seen about the history of the border this is probably a taboo topic to cover but I think you covering the history of the Israel Palestinian conflict would be an interesting watch
I think he's waiting till the event is over to cover because it's hard to get a good picture of it when it's currently on going.
Agree
Watching 50 mins of history of violence, imperialism, racism etc... depress. Catto in the end: I'm happy again.
James K.Polk shares the same face and eyes with Mel Gibson
Epstein and Andrew Jackson have similar face too.
Excellent video. I never appreciated the until now the cultural and political impact of the borderlands on both countries.
I know this is a lot of late. But I like that you used 'secret tunnel' from Avatar, the last air bender. 😆
BTW, I love it when the kitty shows up
WONDERFUL!!
Good video but not being a Yank or Mexican the most useful thing I learned was that horses aren't cattle.
Thank you.
Thanks!
thank you too
My grandfather was born in a Mormon polygamous colony Colonia Diaz. My family could figure out why this town was burnt to the ground.
Get out those family history investigative skills!
wasn't also like Romney's dad or something born in chihuahua?
@@PASTRAMIKick
In fact several of his relatives were Mexican senators at one point. Vice did a doc on them in like 2010.
That colony was burnt to the ground not because of any external political reasons, it was burnt to the ground because of war declared between the brothers/leaders and the two sides killing each other. Many mormons are still living in Chihuahua however.
I would note that Gen Lopez de Santa Anna had taken power in a coup, so his own legitimacy was dubious. Lopez de Santa Anna trying to follow traditional Spanish law, and trying to disarm Texians at Gonzales was one of the cassus belli’s. One of the rather transparent claims of the Texian separatists was claiming loyalty to the old Mexican constitution Lopez de Santa Anna had abrogated.
the number of Mexican presidents who had risen to power through a democratic election at that point was 1, yes only one. No his coup had absolutely nothing to do with the revolt. In fact, most Texians supported Santa Anna's two coups before the revolution
So he was the George Washington of Mexico
I've seen multiple historians make that comparison, though always unfavorably toward Santa Anna
I love kitty cat time
This was great! As a Mexican American born from mexican parents in Sylmar, California. I loved this history video thank you !🎉
I took a whole class on this topic, and wrote a paper about the Border policy from 1924 through the 1960s
And why not share anything of it here then? Or tell how people can find that?
@TheGahta Because I took that class two years ago, I'm at work, and don't remember any of the books or documentaries I uses off the top of my head.
@@mrpopeshistoryclass7285 man just say you didnt want to go into details and all is good, no one needs those excuses if you invest more time in them then your initial post 🤣
I'm sure I'm asking a lot here but can we get a list of the movies you used as reference in this video. They all look like great movies.
When the Mormons set off to settle Salt Lake City, it was part of Mexico - but only for a couple of years!
Always makes work a little better when I see a new lecture I can listen to!
Once again, our biggest problem with the border is seemingly a broken immagration system, and not mass "invasions" by unarmed refugees...
Ok Mr. Beat got me by surprise hahahahahah
The movie battlefield earth made one point i liked. The humans steal an aircraft and are flying across the old US using a paper map. The map has lines, state lines, national borders, roads, all that. The humans are trying to find the lines to use them to navigate but they arent there. So the humans suppose they simply wore away. Not understanding that many of those borders only ever existed on paper. Abstract constructs, pure and simple. Imaginary lines in the sand.
Kinda made a little light go off in my head. Rest of the watch was tough.
From a geographical perspective yes. From a political perspective… lmao absolutely not
Never been this early so: Remember to vote this November!!!!
Voting like it might be the last election
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Never have i
Oh yeah I am!!!
@@iagreesbutit's a terrible idea to let authoritarians win elections
What is that map at 1:51? I'd love to pour over it. It has details on what tribes were living where at a specific time, and detailed maps on that are hard to come by.
You'd love to pour what over it?
11:17 never gets old
I'm one of 10k expats in San Felipe, Baja 90 miles south of Mexicali
what a sweet cat.
Side note at 18:20 mark shows the Tohono Otham nation in only southern Arizona, when in fact its boundaries actually go across the border into Mexico!
Secret tunnel! Secret tunnel! Haha! We like the same show!
What was the 1971 SCOTUS case?
A question about migration versus invasion. When does the former become the latter? Clearly the Latin American migration is not an invasion. But when looking at European history, when did the migration of Germanic tribes to the West become an invasion? For example, the Goths did not necessarily trek West with the intention of Sacking Rome. But this was the outcome.
Simple: Armed hostility, duh
If immigrants want to depose the government and create their own nation like in The Texan Revolution then it would be an invasion.
"[...] may alleviate that issue, at least a modicum" - Oh Cypher, you're gonna scare away the non-nerd section of your audience putting multiple $64,000 words in quick succession lol
48:20 What do you mean that guy on facebook rambling about "boarder crossers" doesn't know what he's talking about?
20:55 Just like Jeffery Donovan’s character talks about in Sicario
What’s up RGV
_DRENCHED_ in Blood
Are you referring to my chapter title?
@@CynicalHistorian your vid's pretty fantastic! Clear and comprehensive!
I was, referring to the overall history of the Southwestern border between the US and Mexico, in total, which is, as you duly noted, _extremely_ bloody. US, Spanish, Mexican, and Native blood "flowed like whiskey" in the region for so long!
and it's worse if you count the time before the Louisiana Purchase, of course, with the genocides involved in westward expansion
I live in the area, and if you ever get the chance to take one of the tours of the battle sites, it's fascinating... and depressing how many there are...
Although, if you were to mock up a graphic of your title that was literally drenched in blood, I wouldn't hate it! 🤣
My chapter titled "The Plaza Drenched in Blood" is actually a quote, LOL
@@CynicalHistorian 🤣 perfection!
Makes you wonder if having borders is even worth it.
Why? Having an open border has been disastrous at the moment
@@evials9123 For who, exactly?
@@michaeljebbett160 mainly the US but it can also negatively impact Mexico too
@@evials9123 drugs and migrants?
Is that the argument?
@@michaeljebbett160 Yes. What are you not getting?
I actually know somebody who is a direct descendant from Geronimo it was a teacher in nogales
Well done.
It's the dude going up the ladder, then not allowing the ones behind him to come up.
Great cover of a long topic.
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Thank you TCH for your informative report on the Mexican - US border. Sadly over 70% of the world's addicts are from American - billions are made on both sides of the border. Companies that hire the illegal are rarely in trouble. Also, some 500,000 Latinos fought in WWII. A great book ''Among the Valiant'' by historian Raul Morin writes of the twenty plus Medal of Honor recipients of WWII and Korea.
WILSONNN!!!
Nicely refinished photos/graphics.
... And in the south, Mexico blends into Guatemala.
While the sign says no dogs, Mexicans or whatever, similar signs in US Navy cities on the East coast forbid dogs, sailors etc and so was begun the Navy Journalist rating under the umbrella of the Defense Information establishment including training at the Defense Information School, now at Fort Meade, MD. Or so is the DINFOS propaganda. It's the sign, an association, Americans hated sailors, too...
Mr Beat
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