Debunking PragerU Party-Switch Denial and Conservative Propaganda
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- For about half a year, @EmperorTigerstar and I have been watching and reacting to decades of propaganda videos. We last watch one person denying the party switch, so we looked at how PragerU does so. We reacted to "Why Did the Democratic South Become Republican?" with Carol Swain. It is hilariously bad, but revealing of how how propaganda has developed as an artform
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Jefferson Cowie, The Great Exception: The New Deal and the Limits of American Politics (Princeton, N.Jer.: Princeton University Press, 2016). amzn.to/35sJX4w
Eric Foner, Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877, new ed. (1988; New York: Perennial Classics, 2002). amzn.to/34lFOhq
Kevin M. Kruse and Julian E. Zelizer, Fault Lines: A History of the United States Since 1974 (New York: W.W. Norton and Company, 2019). amzn.to/2Zh3pxe
Julilly Kohler-Hausmann, Getting Tough: Welfare and Imprisonment in 1970s America (Princeton, N.Jer.: Princeton University Press, 2017). amzn.to/2M2ol7j
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Rick Perlstein, The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan (New York: Simon and Schuster, 2014). amzn.to/306XMo9
Rick Perlstein, Reaganland: America’s Right Turn, 1976-1980 (New York: Simon and Schuster: 2020). amzn.to/2NZ4f1R
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Kevin M. Kruse and Julian E. Zelizer, _Fault Lines: A History of the United States Since 1974_ (New York: W.W. Norton and Company, 2019). amzn.to/2Zh3pxe
Julilly Kohler-Hausmann, _Getting Tough: Welfare and Imprisonment in 1970s America_ (Princeton, N.Jer.: Princeton University Press, 2017). amzn.to/2M2ol7j
Rick Perlstein, _Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus_ (reprint, 2001; New York: Nation Books, 2009). amzn.to/3rre0od
Rick Perlstein, _Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America_ (New York: Scribner, 2008). amzn.to/3sLTDlQ
Rick Perlstein, _The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan_ (New York: Simon and Schuster, 2014). amzn.to/306XMo9
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“I’m not a flat-earther, I’m not a round earther….” - Candace Owens.
Please compare MAGA Republicans and Trump to the Nazis and Hitler
So funny as I just recently read an article about the wide awakes! I believe it was in the NY times a couple weeks ago. Very fascinating stuff
Are those state ed boards run by member of Moms For (being really against) Liberty?
There was also a strengthening and righteous cancel culture, er, abolition atmosphere.
LOL "was" That about sums it all up.
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Lol. Even the starting narrator used was 😂
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PragerU is for education what lead pipes are for drinking water.
Or asbestos for building houses
Or Radium water for gastric cancer...
Or that prageru is to education as fox is to news.
And the party switch is a simplistic story that facilitates scapegoating. It allows people to feel good without actually learning anything. I generally disagree with PragerU, but this conversation facilitated by PragerU is important
@@Stevie-J I disagree with this completely the party switch isn’t some simplistic “story” it’s a decades long realignment of the major political parties. From FDR and Truman in the thirties and forties to Dixiecrats to Nixon really. Pragure u brushes most of that stuff aside to sell a narrative, not facilitating discourse.
"We're the party of Lincoln!" Says the party that waves Confederate flags.
A simplistic and easy way to point out the switch right there...
“Those aren’t actual reps flying rebel flags and swastikas! They’re actors planted there by Dems!”
No joke, I’ve actually heard this used with a straight face.
Fr. Pointing out the very obvious facts that the Republican North is now largely Democrat and the Democrat South is now largely Republican is about the most clear cut proof of a party switch without even needing to dive into the complex history of the party switch
I've heard people claim that the Confederate flags carried by the insurrectionists is the clinching proof that the traitors of January 6th were AntiFa, and not donald's supporters.
What this proves is that the trumpery have completely forsaken reality.
Oh the freakin’ irony.
@@diogeneslamp8004 Is it even "irony" when it's this blatant...?
Prageru claims this yet turns around and says Kennedy would've been a conservative republican in modern times. Cognitive dissonance much?
intentionally so.
To an extent, it's kind of Double think. One moment they'll say they're actually the ideology of freedom, and then another they say that they abide by tradition, not indulging in freedom
He would have maybe turned into a conservative republican after Dallas had he survived (due to massive brain damage)
“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable-what then?”
@@handeggchan1057😂😂
No party switch, huh? Which party gets mad about trying to remove Confederate monuments?
I'm gonna go out in a limb here and suggest that the people who demolished the Jackie Robinson statue and destroyed three Emmett Till monuments were not Democrats.
It's not a party switch though. But I don't think so for the same reason as pu. There has always been leaders that took parties into new directions. That has been true for much of American history. A new direction but not a switch.
@@erica.7231 Yeah, new directions that just happened to cause the parties to switch parts of their ideologies.
"The spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the Republican Party platform." -Trent Lott
James Henry Thornwell's quote about the sides in the Civil War demonstrates that Lott was actually correct for once.
Yeah, way too many Republicans wave around confederate flags for them to be taken seriously when they claim to be the party of Lincoln.
“Republicans vote values not race” this quote got me, because it’s so patently false. My county in Georgia voted for a tax commissioner. The democrat for the race was a CPA and a tax attorney. Had worked in the tax office for the much larger and successful county next door. He had no major controversies that came out in the news. The republican was a 30 year old hair stylist whose poor management had already bankrupted 2 salons. Guess who won.
Who won?
I mean, if you keep in mind that racism is a core Republican value, then it makes sense to say they vote values.
@@aprotosisLMAO fr
Good point. They voted the value that mattered the most.@@aprotosis
I can tell you who lost…
Someone needs to compile the canonical Christian Nationalist version of history, starting with the birth of Jesus in Wyoming and ending with the ascension of Trump to godhood. They have so many wacky beliefs, even the more banal ones like this fly in the face of reality.
American Christian nationalism is sunch a weird paradox for both Christianity and USA.
For Christian, part of the appeal of it is that any person for any ethnicity can join. in fact one of the first schism/debates was between Jews Christians and non-jewish Christians was if Christianity should spread to more gentiles.
For USA, many people including "white" have a mix of many different ethnic groups. I mean there even a strong connection with Latin American both historical and social wise.
I’m suddenly thinking about Mormons for some reason.
@@DiamondKingStudios Ironically, Mormons have been the version of Christianity most RESISTANT to Trump, just in terms of not voting for him and supporting him. Now, that's slipping, and that cap will likely break this year, but it's still worth noting.
@DiamondKingStudios you're not wrong because that's essentially what Mormonism is. It is Christian Nationalism but with an American exceptionalism twist. Where now their mentality of the US being God's favorite country is "canon" with the Joseph Smith Americana blended with the old testament
Look up Mormon Church
Can't wait for Republicans to start singing John Brown's Body at the upcoming Convention
I'm not a Republican, but I'm still gonna sing it anyway. "John Brown's body lies a moulderin in the grave, John Brown's lies a moulderin in the grave, John Brown's body lies a moulderin in the grave but his soul goes marching on. Glory glory hallelujah! Glory glory hallelujah! Glory glory hallelujah! His soul goes marching on!"
@@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494"But his soul goes marching on!"
@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494 🗣🗣🔥🔥
@@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494 we all know who’s on the right side of history, and it AINT the ones who DENY the party switch 😂😂
John Brown died to put an end to slavery. Yes he did!
My American schooling wasn't the best, but even they taught me that the Dems and Repubs switched sides in the Civil Rights movement.
Heck just look at Civil War Democrats stances and compare them to the parties today. A modern Republican shares more in common with a Civil War Democrat than a Civil War Republican.
Yeah
That's not exactly right either but it's far closer to the truth than the lies Swain and Prager are pushing.
The party switch narrative gives Republicans too much credit and
Prageru will never mention the socialist founders of the republican party Alvin bovay and Horace Greeley who endlessly promoted radical reforms such as socialism, vegetarianism, agrarianism, feminism, and temperance😂
@@The2012Aceman This would be like saying an abolitionist couldn't be an anti-black racist.
Or that Marx's writings were published in abolitionist newspapers and Lincoln said "Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration"
@@The2012Aceman so...i think you just really don't understand the term you're using.
A different version of your same argument is if CEOs let their employees unionize that obviously capitalism is pro-worker. It's mixing terms and ideas to support what I think you already feel - that people who complain about patriarchy in society are just complaining too much
@@EthanMitch
It is just disingenuous.
History is filled with Minority Groups setting Policies, Nobility comes straight to mind. So common is this, that one can not crack open a history book to any period without finding clear examples of it, thus it has to be well known to anyone who studies History. We could go into the many different Sociological reasons as to why this is obviously the case, list more examples then just the centuries of Kings, but what is the point if someone is being disingenuous with their very premise?
@@The2012Aceman you're arguing against a point I'm not even making
"Somehow Palpatine returned." and, "Somehow Racism went away."
both events occured in Fortnite
Two sentences that are the worst in their contexts
"The south votes values, not skin color." As someone from the south who watched the 08 election and participated in 12, no. Just no. Plenty of people I knew agreed with Obama's values but refused to vote for him.
Oh man the party switch debate is so annoying to talk about with some people because of the high level of ignorance and how conservatives are extremely disingenuous about it.
Yeah it's difficult to argue reality with a complete and total idiot.
This is amazing in retrospect since Republicans were bragging about the southern strategy in the 70s and 80s. Harry S. Dent even wrote a book about it; "The Prodigal South Returns to Power."
The thing is which party today has people defending Lee and George Wallace? Which party openly talks about the IQ explicitly as a way to say that black people are inferior and undeserving? Who cares what the party names were during the civil war?
@miskatonic_alumni not only that but just how simply comparing most political maps that are decades apart starting with the 1860s, particularly with the north and south literally shows that both parties switched their geographic influence. Republicans used to control the northeast but now control the south and vice versa with the Democrats. And conservatives don't see any logical corelation with gradual ideological shifts over 150 years 😂
@@The2012Aceman hey champ, what the fuck are you talking about?
It’s weird how Republicans and conservatives of today will deny things past Republicans and conservatives once openly acknowledged, or even bragged about. I’m reminded of that infamous Lee Atwater quote with multiple N-bombs where he basically explained the southern strategy.
Yep
Teddy Roosevelt would literally be slandered as a radical socialist by Republicans of today. I’ve often wondered how modern Republicans would react to someone quoting Teddy or his policies at them without telling them who it was from.
It is a weird concept of truth not existing, so any lie is excused. The bigger and more brazen the lie, the more they respect you.
Kind of the same thing as Putin did when he said that he would not invade Ukraine. And then did a few days later.
They love playing two narratives to everything
“America can’t be racist we’ve changed, but the parties haven’t we are the party who freed the slaves and still are today while the Democrats currently are the party of racists, slave owning, kk*, confederates. Now will you excuse me I have to go to this rally waving my flag of “heritage”, while complaining about whatever group fox tells me to be mad at today.”
At 0:53 PragerU not knowing how to spell my home state of Oklahoma is comedy gold 😂
Given the history of Oklahoma, I doubt they want to spell it right in the first place, because they’d have to talk about the Trail of Tears, the Sooners, and Tulsa.
That's the Washington Herald
Having Ryan Walters try to get prageru into my kids classrooms is not comedy gold. Fortunately, Tulsa public schools declined to join in on that
Jeez, im Polish and somehow i know how to spell it. Can't they bother to have someone watch this and catch errors? You know some simple quality assurance? To think they actually show this crap in schools...
@@wolfexer8250 I live in Tulsa, ok and Tulsa Public Schools have not adopted any of this curriculum. They also will not be including the Bible in classroom teaching. If they tried to use these things with my kids, I'll be at the school immediately to strongly voice concern.
Sadly, the only districts that will go along with Walter's proto-fascist agenda are in the small towns outside of the cities where the education quality is already abysmal and tainted by both poor funding and an abundance of right wing influence. Our city kids are shielded from that and learn reality instead of small hick town ideology.
Btw, Walters is from Ada, which is a tiny shit hole town where meth labs are a stone's throw away in random trailer homes in the woods. It's the kind of place kids can't wait to leave from when they're old enough
Parger U exists because people want to hear that their bigotry has a reason other than bigotry
Did you ever listen to Rush Limbaugh? I had the unfortunate experience of having to during log car rides with my parents while growing up. He would tell you straight up, "You don't have to think. I'll do the thinking for you!" which was meant as halfhearted irony, but considering his loyal fans called themselves Dittoheads (due to their penchant for shouting their agreement with him via the words "Ditto, Rush!"), I am not sure many picked up on it.
Ultimately, Prager U is not a teaching tool for people interested in learning the subjects the videos purport to be about. It's a tool for teaching people who aren't interested in the subjects some convenient ammo for drive-by internet arguments or removing pesky questions raised by contact with people who actually engage and think for themselves. It's not propaganda to convince the other, it's in-group brainwashing material.
My father listened to Rush, but I never paid attention
I'm not one to obsess over Orwell, but the sheer amount of double-think/ideology in PragerU is astounding.
"How can they..." Simple, they know that their supporters will get confirmation bias and not bother to fact check any of that.
I genuinely love Ben Shapiro's tagline of "facts don't care about your feelings" and I think we should deliberately co-opt that phrase.
Facts DON'T care about your feelings. That's absolutely correct. And these hacks deliberately omit and misrepresent facts.
I remember that, and then when crime went down hard under Biden, they start saying that they didn't FEEL safe.
Bong Shapiroid should indeed be resigned to the dustbin of history.
He is going to be so surprised when Trump pushes him in the oven
instead of a Gish-gallop, maybe call it a Prager-propaganda-prattle?
That’s some top notch alliteration right there!
My stammer hates you. thbb
PP prattle for short.
even better: just call it pragering
Prager-puke
"We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat," announced Reagan advisor Roger A. Freeman during a press conference on Oct. 29, 1970. Freeman, an economics professor at Stanford, was also an advisor to President Richard Nixon.
Ever since, the GOP has worked to degrade public education. After half a century of that effort, it’s unfortunately accurate to assume - especially in GOP dominated states - that a large plurality of citizens are deficient both in historical knowledge and in critical thinking and research skills.
Meanwhile, the mass media generally have become more concentrated in ownership and less burdened either with actual duty or with sense of duty to serve the public.
Over the same period, the economic screws have tightened. Most families need to devote more time and energy just to making ends meet, leaving less for informing themselves for the duties of democracy.
In view of all this, it’s not to me surprising that the propaganda is such rubbish.
For all his privileged position, Mr. Prager himself seems mentally impoverished compared with William F. Buckley back in the day. The radicalism called ‘conservatism’ in the USA has become in its anti-intellectual trend like a pusher who is himself a junkie.
So, probably a significant dynamic is the propagandists being too stupid to recognize their own stupidity in the first place.
Love this comment!
It didn't start in 1970. Rightwingers have been undermining public education pretty much since it became a thing. They denounced it as socialism and tried defunding it during the post Civil War white supremacist counter revolution. In many places, they shut down their own kids schools during Massive Resistance rather than accepting the Brown decision. They've also worked to make education about producing pliant workers rather than informed citizens. The tactics change but the undermining has long been a constant.
This is what happens when flat earthers become politically active.
And somehow even less coherent than my civics homework.
Oh god it still hurts.
Yeah
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID 😏
@@user-bu3nb4ck7s yeah straight to jail 😂
The Southern Democrats and Northern Democrats were really two separate parties but in coalition. The Northern ones gradually over time became more liberal and could no longer tolerate the Southern Democrats and their racism especially when TV broadcast not just to the USA but the world.
prager U aka Every Accusation a Confession: the series
PragerU on Republicans: "We're the party of Lincoln! The party of abolition! The Democrats are the evil racist Confederate slaveowners!"
PragerU on the Confederacy: "The Confederacy was great! Be proud of your heritage! They did nothing wrong!"
The level of denial and ignorance in lots of their videos can actually be quite funny sometimes, especially when they present you with their ‘extensive’ list of sources
Ikr
This crap scares me. It scares me like when I heard that kids in highschool don't have the foggiest idea of what actually happened in world war II. I have a grandson. I'm worried that he might grow up to be completely ignorant.
Anything that claims to teach history but has absolutely no nuance has no place in a classroom.
This is regardless of the side the oversimplification is coming from, and it's shocking how that can be considered a controversial statement to some people.
PragerU is simply a terrifyingly egregious example of this
PragerU often describes itself as pro-liberty, but I can't stress enough how little this means. The modern question isn't "is freedom good?", but rather, "what _kind_ of freedom is good?" The left tends to lean more into positive freedom, which is the freedom to be able to do something. The right, on the other hand, believes in a more negative freedom, which means freedom from interference. No modern and influential political side is "anti-liberty" like PragerU claims they are. In fact, PragerU is probably as much anti-liberty when it comes to positive freedoms (e.g. access to abortion), as is a progressive democrat when it comes to negative freedoms (e.g. corporate taxes). There is nothing wrong with that, but why the dishonesty? Why lie and paint incomplete pictures?
Politics is a discourse about power, and because PragerU does not properly inform the viewer about what the disagreements of power are, they are not a political channel. In fact, because they claim to be something they aren't, they are more than just non-political, they are anti-political. They are an active participant in depoliticizing a voter block they should inform and look out for. I cannot picture a more resentful attitude to their own viewers a political side. I cannot imagine a bigger middle finger for the very democratic institutions they claim to uphold as conservatives.
I mean considering the american right wing stances on boycotts of israel, protesting in general, burning of the american flag, recreational weed and other banned substances, and many others, I'd argue they don't even like negative freedom. The "freedom" they endorse ends where their donors want it to end. They want everyone to have the freedom to be exactly how the conservatives want them to be.
You don’t find it ironic at all the dems believe they have a right to thing like housing and internet for free(which took peoples work to make for them) while the repubs dont want interference(not fing with them is free and requires no human labor). Cause if u dont i cant actaully explain to u why yalls are wrong.
Lincoln nailed it with his "we all declare for liberty" speech about wolves and sheep following emancipation. But that fill in the blank aspect is exactly why propagandists lean on it (and family values and parental rights and....) so heavily.
Tigerstar raises a point that's worthwhile at the end of the video and one that I always raise with students when I work with them: contrary to what people on the internet think, your points do NOT speak for themselves. Evidence does NOT speak for itself. You can't just throw a citation and say "there, you read it." That's how to properly format and argument, and too few people know how to structure paragraphs and arguments anymore. A properly organized paragraph includes an introduction, a citation, and *an explanation of that citation, demonstrating how the citation supports your main point*. In this way, you're forced to think critically about your source, rather than just regurgitating what the source says. While this is especially true in analysis and synthesis papers, this is stuff people should be learning in high school English and studying in 099 and 100-level classes. But few people do seem to realize this: A source does not speak for itself. You have to speak through it, and it is incumbent upon you to explain what parts of that source are relevant and why.
I actually got a prageru ad while watching this. Its like they are paying to get people to see their stuff.
Yeah, they are... that is how ads work. Still pretty ironic that they show up on videos that are critical of them though
@@queztocoaxial you literally explained my second sentence joke.
@@JonBerry555 Yes, I did, by replying to your comment and describing the amusing situation at hand, but in a way that pointed out, however subtly, that your wording was comical as well (though I ultimately agreed with your sentiment). And when you followed up with the criticism that I merely restated your initial jest, I responded with a meta-commentary that bordered on pedantic, and even though my own joke about your phrasing was overlooked, which stung a little, I assured you wholeheartedly that I meant nothing by it other than I thought the way you parsed your initial comment was humorous, though truthful, and then I never thought about it again.
And we parted as friends, wiser and more fulfilled for having experienced even such a small and otherwise seemingly insignificant misunderstanding together, for it enriched our lives in no small measure to be reminded that good people can make mistakes, forgive each other, laugh, and love life, and be enriched by each other's humanity.
Godspeed, Jon Berry.
They have been like... so aggressive that it's even more sickening.
@shcdemolisher it's clear the deliberately target those who are not in lock step with them. it's really sickening watching a queer creator and getting a prageru ad.
I am surprised that 2 historians kind of glossed over a few really important points early in this video. First, in the 1940s through the 1960s, the Southern democrats and northern democrats had very little daily interaction. They caucused together based on their belief in state’s right. I know that sounds strange, but back then the republicans were the party in favor of a strong national government. If you want evidence look at the actions of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Nixon…these guys were definitely not into states rights. This really didn’t change until Reagan….which was the whole point of the “my party left me” narrative. He was referring to the democrats supporting states rights then gradually becoming supporters of a strong national government. Reagan was always a small government, libertarian nut job. The outlier in this time period is FDR because he was a democrat that didn’t give 2 bleeps about states rights. However, he served in unprecedented times (depression and war) so it’s difficult to separate his actions from the craziness of the environment. The one thing people need to understand is that 1980 to the present is completely different than the rest of American political history. Since 1980 there has been 2 rigid and united parties. This is completely out of step with the first 200 years of our country’s history that saw factions and dissenters and changes. All in all, this was a pretty good video and more evidence that the religious right is full of racist bigots trying to indoctrinate children and rewrite history. Thanks for fighting the good fight.
- Proud Ohioan, Proud Historian
You make some good points. It was important, the switch from the Republicans being for a strong Federal government to being states rights.
Also note very carefully - "states rights" for conservatives mean only that if they agree with a subject, like say being anti-abortion, then it's ok. If a state is pro-abortion, I will guarantee that republicans will go all federalist on that state, like what they've been doing now with the abortion issue.
Very, very few people or political parties have been for states rights or a small or large federal government, per se. Reagan certainly didn't. He presided over a growing federal government (by number of employees and budgetarily) that practiced protectionism and other interventions in the "free market". The slave power and other white supremacists also insisted on states' rights when it suited them and strong federal action to negate states' rights, like the Fugitive Slave Act, when that suited them. States' rights is invoked to signal disinterest and a sense of principle. You could pretty much substitute "the Constitution" wherever someone says states' rights without changing their arguments much.
Your point about how anamalous it is to have the two parties so clearly being one liberal and one conservative is crucial and part of what makes "the party switch" misleading in its own right, while still being far more accurate than claiming rightwingers opposed slavery and Jim Crow while the Democrats who supported it were liberals. But this fact also means that there was a bipartisan Conservative Coalition that opposed the accommodations that say Eisenhower made to the New Deal. Think Robert Taft, Richard Russell, and the forces that wrested control from the East Coast Republicans to nominate Goldwater and dramatically accelerate the right vs. left realignment we have today.
Anybody remember the stereotypical radio advertisement from, like, I want to say 04.
Oh, girl, I'm going to vote for Bush! Did you know Abraham Lincoln was a Republican!
This is a memory from being a teenager, from a radio advertisement I once heard, possibly from The Daily Show, but I bet it made the rounds.
I know I've gone fishing here, but someone has to remember that, it's what changed my politics when I was a kid, and it just stuck with me because things are the same but worse.
Wait, morning coffee aside, I didn't mean racism and the ilk got worse, they are about the same they have been, but by worse, I don't think anybody would have been taken aback by the radio ad now, but that's just the way it works when it's easier to say what you want to say when you want, to whoever you want.
Big shift, but coming up I was taught that racism is/was bad, by any stretch. Way back in like 91' my family was forced out of a town in Arkansas because we took in a black truck driver, whose truck stopped working. I don't hang on that memory though, I was 4 turning 5, and that's all faded memories, and what Mom and Dad told me happened, we did get run out of town, I just can confidentially say how it happened beyond what I was told.
The food bank lady in Mississippi told my mother to get there early so that we can get the good food before the N words did.
The Baptist preacher, or whatever the leader of a Baptist church is called, yeah this was in Arizona, and my parents were looking for food vouchers or vouchers for gas, but we stayed there through their sermon, and went out to smoke cigarettes with him, not me, I wasn't 10 yet, don't remember how old I was, but not 10 yet.
They are smoking, and a black family is walking down the other side of the road, outside the church, and the holy man who was just got done doing preacher stuff yells, "Look at them N words!" And no one said a damn thing, I know they had to have heard, it was like he was yelling it across the road at them, but they said and did nothing, and I'm guessing whatever my family wanted to get from the church must have been important because Mom and Dad were also silent.
When that ad came on, I was 17 pushing 18 in December, so I missed my chance to vote anyway, but it didn't matter, I couldn't believe a radio ad like that could even come on in the year 2004.
Maybe I'm a puss, that hearing that, and knowing it was on a radio station, made me grow up. I was a dairy farmer's son, and honestly you don't, or didn't at the time, meet a lot of not white people in upstate New York.
We also moved a lot, this is just 4 of the 18 states we lived in before I was 13, just at that point it seemed to me like some places were bad, but that's just people being jerks, others not so bad.
Funny thing about being poor in Mississippi, is that no one is poor if everyone is poor, and that felt good. I found that strange as a kid too, but it was just a southern Ghetto seen through the eyes of a child... Arizona too, but I never learned a lick of Spanish, and the other kids didn't speak any English, for the most part, but tag is tag, and ice cream trucks sell the same ice cream.
Aceman, the person on the radio ad was black, or sounded as such, and I feel like, after having nearly 20 years to grow up that the lady from that ad was not supposed to get the fable "Uncle Tom" vote, but make borderline racists feel okay about how they feel, I think late teens and early twenties was the target audience.
I have more, but this is already starting to look like a chapter book, but I think it needed to be said, after that.
You said the same thing, but this time it was you understanding how stereotypes work, so this long story to let you know, that I know.
This was never lost on me, I honestly just didn't think putting that on ad on, anywhere was okay, and it made me think. Hasn't really harmed my life any to see things like this, I still think a lot of these things can be cultural, bound ever so lightly to towns, zip codes, states, background, only that radio ad uprooted those thoughts, it was clearly targeted, and to me more than a bit antagonistic.
If you want, I have way more stories like these from my past, when you're poor, and on the road you get to see more life, things you didn't ever want to see, and great things you will never forget, but that was the first time I had ever heard something like that on a radio station, or replayed on TV, but there it was, in all of its glory.
Right like that, like hey we are going to mock you, make you sound nappy, and gross, and fake for everyone to hear, and there is nothing you can do about it.
That is why after all those years, it stuck with me, and changed me too, I have heard worse, I've seen a lot worse, but it was never out in the open the way that was.
@@The2012Acemancool story bro👍🏿
Trump regularly claims that people forget that Lincoln was a Republican and kindly reminds them. Like the video, it's simply a linguistic lozenger for rightwinger's uncomfortable with identifying as white supremacists. It's not like the Great Emancipator could have been an avowed white supremacist! Truth qnd understanding history have nothing to do with it.
Id love a Prager playlist to bathe in their historical inaccuracies
I was a substitute teacher out in WA many years ago. One of the teachers left a plan that had me play a prager U video to the class ... the only time I have watched prager U. Once the video was done, I said to the class, "That whole video was wrong, you should ignore it"
Emperor Tigerstar's "genteel southerner" impression is so good that I can feel the ghost of General Sherman compelling me to pick up a box of matches whenever I hear it
Understanding that conservatives used to Democrats and are now Republicans I feel like is pretty straightforward. Idk how they don’t get that lol.
I just have to remark that when you said "PragerU UA-cam poops" at the 17:00 mark, I had a PragerU ad run. The timing was impeccable.
There is a UA-camr named Milo Rossi who specializes in debunking pseudoscience and conspiracies about archaeology. One person on his radar (Filip Zeiba) specifically tells his viewers NOT to research for themselves online ("Don't listen to the googledebunkers").
I sense this also with Prager U, in how they seem to be incredibly careless about citing sources or linking their viewers to actual history, or getting them to actually think critically for themselves. I see this as something systemic in American culture parallel to the phenomenon of fast food and processed foods in our diet: even with an abundance of food never seen in human history, we managed to poison ourselves and stuff our face with junk food, and become fat and lazy . Likewise, we are so awash with information on almost any subject we could want, and yet people can fall for the most blatant propaganda and indoctrination. Just like good nutrition has to be taught and practiced regularly, so does good critical thinking.
so true It's why I'm republican now
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😮 what's scary about it is you tell a person that is not informed 😡 and they get angry at you
I was curious and decided to look into the claim that Hoover got 47% of the vote in the south, and its nominally true, depending on which states you include in the south (if you include Kentucky that number actually rises to 50%), but its also worth pointing out how meaningless that number is when you consider the fact that this was the 1928 election, where Hoover won in large part due to anti-catholic bigotry towards Democratic nominee Al Smith, and led many southern protestants to vote against Al Smith. And then we only need to look 4 years later (and every subsequent election until 1948) where the Democrats regained their double digit margin in the South! 1928 wasn't the GOP suddenly becoming competitive in the south, it was as result defined by context!
38:50 From what I’ve seen and experienced, people watch PragerU vids to affirm their biases and support their beliefs. These videos work so well since people want a smart-sounding person assure them of what they “know” to be true. They are really hoping that this works on the next generation too.
Part of the problem is that kids will believe anything, and if parents aren't aware of these things or just trust safesearch to protect their kids from harmful material online, which doesn't filter out propaganda like this, they'll buy it unless they have an experience that disproves it
Getting constant PragerU ads on UA-cam is partially why I subscribed to premium
Same!
Love it when cons say that the majority of historians are somehow leftists. Can't help thinking of that quote "Reality has a Liberal bias".
Yep. Academia has a left wing bias according to them. Wonder why
Glad you pointed out that the "lady", Carol M. Swain, used the word "was" and not the word "is". She was once a "professor" at Vanderbilt University. Jash Hawley graduated from Stanford University and Yale Law School. Makes you wonder what kind of schools are these places..
It's a pretty well known basic fact in American politics that the two parties we have now switched a long time ago. It wasn't a controversial idea when I learned about it back in the 80's. We have had two parties going by different names doing the same dance for a long time.
Why is the Postal dude talking to a walking lion?
I gotta wonder whether people like this lady actually buy into this nonsense, or if she's just accepting a lucrative bribe.
Carol Swain has published at least one book accurately describing the Southern Strategy. She also wrote a book about the rising threat of white nationalism.
People do sometimes change though and she was let go by Vanderbilt for ranting about "reverse racism" and other rightwing catechisms before she started making the rounds as a grifter beloved by white supremacists. Recognizing the role she is performing in the world is the important part, regardless of what's happening in her head, heart, and bank account.
What’s worse is Carol Swain is a political scientist and she is denying and willfully ignoring basic history that she has studied for years.
What's even funnier is that in one of her books she admitted that there was a southern strategy. She's a clown
The GOP literally admitted to the southern strategy, I don’t get how they can keep denying it seriously
The channel "Mr. Deity" has done a series on Prager and his "school" which he calls PragerFU. The host knew Prager when they were young.
When i moved to WV 25 years ago, i was surprised to see them fly the Confederate flag. And i was like, "i thought wv was a thing specifically not to be part of the confederacy?!"
25 years later, i still think we aren't southern but Appalachian. But western north Carolina might feel the same.
My God. The Confederate flag in WV looks extremely weird even from Russia where I am xD
West Virginia native here, they know West Virginia became a state because it didn’t want to join the south, we are taught that in state history class, you get taught people in the state where fighting on both sides and it was a “border state”, they don’t teach you why the state formed. And it wasn’t because people at the time opposed slavery because they thought it was morally wrong, they opposed it because they felt keeping slavery legal would hurt them economically and were interested in their “independence”.
@304Kid my understanding was wv didn't depend on slavery like eastern Virginia and wanted to stay with the union because they saw it as a better long-term prospect. So, it was more politically advantageous without the loss of economy. Other border states kept slavery too. Like the war was about slavery but more the expansion of slavery than freeing slaves. But the writing was on the wall. The south knew it.
@@nebulan Yes, it makes perfect sense: mining doesn't require slaves and its products (coal etc) are mostly used by industry, not agriculture. So the secession hurt WV with no benefits. I think the same goes for Eastern Tennessee (it didn't secede from TN but stayed mostly pro-Union): slavery was simply redundant there.
@kristaskrastina2863 well slavery could benefit mining. And the black codes purposefully tried to put blacks in prison to work places including mines.
But that's a dark history of post civil war south :(
Here in Mexico it is something similar when the PRI, one of the Political Parties, tries to hang itself on characters like Lázaro Cárdenas or events like the Nationalization of Electricity. It's like "Yes, they were PRI members and actions, but a lot of shit has happened since the 40's-50's"
The conversation about why Prager U and other misinformation sources are thriving is correct but I think there is also the phenomenon of having so much information out there, if you're going to even bother to fact-check something, it's super easy to see find other people saying the same things or having the same things keep showing up in your feeds from different sources that it's a lot easier to "confirm" sketchy data than it used to be.
As someone who was born and raised in the SOUTH, seeing people deny the shift is not only dishonest misinformation, but just mind bogglingly stupid to me.
You’re the King on this stuff. They don’t stand a chance lol. I’ll have to watch later.
As far as I can recall, they have one correct video in their entire library. It's the video all about how the civil war was, in fact, fought over slavery.
Yup. By former West Point historian Ty Sedule (sp?). This was before rightwingers fully decided the military had been emasculated by wokeness. The confused and angry comments on that video are glorious.
I'm happy to have found your channel. There's a right-wing "historian" called Brion McClanahan. He teaches revisionist history as well
“Speak of the devil and he shall appear” I got PragerU ad on this video
1:07 man’s turned into _very tall bart_ (a YTP channel known for PragerU edits).
That first joke is a mainstay on the channel.
It’s one of those times where the obvious joke is still good. Pretty big bart has done it a million times and I will probably chuckle a million times more.
@@btarczy5067 I wonder if Dennis’s reaction to it would be similar to when Goebbels found out about the whole “Lambeth Walk” video.
Goddamn that ' was ' in the first 10 seconds fucking killed me 😅😂. Pretty much set the tone for this whole video
I'm seeing now PragerU just saying "DEI" for their racism.
I find it funny how they criticize DEI and pull the "we have a non white and non male" card alot.
It's insane. So many Republicans, even "moderate" ones now think ANY person of color in power is a "DEI Hire" (unless of course it is one of theirs). It's extremely transparent.
They say "DEI" with a hard "R" on the end.
It sounds like PU is to legitimate universities what the American College of Pediatricians is to legitimate medical organizations
Damn, I got a Prager U ad while I was watching this
The algorithm just inserted a Prager U commercial.
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Lmao that means that prayer u inadvertently funded this video.
Something that came to mind when you're discussing how "Jim Crow Democrat" isn't a meaningful term: it's not just a flattening of the complexity of the topic, this is exactly what creationist ministries like "Answer in Genesis" and "Institute for Creation Research" also do. They invent terminology like "polystrate fossil" that isn't used by actual experts of the fields they discuss, resulting in attempts to google and fact check them staying within the media-sphere that they create.
I saw Prager the first time in a Penn & Teller episode of Bullshit. I didn't realize what a piece of garbage he was until years later.
It’s really depressing how many views their videos get.
The edits were *chef's kiss*
Just got A PragerU ad I can't even
Playing Devil’s advocate, Goldwater was an early supporter of civil rights, even helping organize local chapters of the NAACP and National Urban League in his home state. Also, while he did vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (supporting only the original Senate version of the bill), he did vote for the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as well as the 24th Amendment (banning poll taxes). He was absent for the vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1960 but was said to be in favor of it by the House Minority Whip.
Of course, Goldwater was later denounced by the NAACP for his Presidential run and, obviously, his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Fun Fact: Margaret Goldwater, wife of Barry Goldwater, co-founded the Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood.
Personally, I’m not a big fan of Goldwater, but I do know he was a rather complicated figure. Plus, he said Americans should kick Jerry Falwell in the ass, and that’s just cool regardless of what I may think of his other policy positions.
MLK and Jackie Robinson had it right. Goldwater, while not personally a white supremacist, was leading a campaign to empower white supremacy.
Being personally against fires and tirelessly working to eliminate fire departments is complex, I guess. But it also privileges one's ideological fervor over the lives of millions and spectacularly wrongheaded, especially for someone whose entire life was made possible by an interventionist federal government. Lots of dudes are really, really committed to the fantasy that they're rugged, self-made superheroes and everyone else should be, too.
He definitely cooked the religious right. Rick Perlstein's Before The Storm is the best treatment of Goldwater's candidacy I've encountered and all of Perlstein's books about movement "conservatism" should be required reading.
That "WAS" was golden
Just my luck, I'm getting PragerU ads alllllll over this video. 😑
Republicans became competitive in the south as early as 1928. In 1928 the Democratic candidate for president was Catholic. Coincidence?
My father listens to Prager U, and I’m debating if I should just say he’s dead just to get people to not ask about him.
Cypher's cartoon is missing something... 🐈
Debunkers must be supported.
Thank you
Thank's for watching PragerU so those of us with weak stomachs don't have to.
Thanks for the history on the different sectors of the old Democratic party, so many people love throwing around sweeping generalizations like "oh all Democrats are like dis hurr durr deh durr", I now have a piece of reference debunking that
Also Tigerstar earned a new sub 😊
PragerU : "Believe us bro, not the others, we're the only one not pushing our ideologies and endoctrinement...while literally doing just that"🤣🤡
Why does Prager U do so well? I think u may underestimate the level of America's ra cism
How many people got a prager U advertisement on this video actively denouncing their whole existence cause I sure did 💀😭 wtf these idiots are crazy. I’m so glad bros getting Adsense from them even tho he’s dissing them
Debunking pragrfu is good because if you see this somewhere, God forbid the classroom, you can pull out the debunk just as easily as the bunk itself
In my engineering class in High School, my teacher gave us three videos on clean energy. Two were informative, and one was prager u; she included it because it was the ONLY video she could find with an opposing opinion and she wanted to be “balanced”. We were supposed to write a few sentences at the end of every class to say what we had learned. I was so frustrated with how blatantly stupid the prager u video was I wrote several pages about it. The attempt to be balanced definitely backfired, because I thought “if these are the best points the opposing viewpoint can make, they must be totally wrong about it.”
I'm not sure that's backfiring. Not all viewpoints are equally legitimate and your teacher gave you what you needed to recognize that. The trouble comes when people insist that true objectivity is refusing to evaluate which viewpoint better conforms to the known facts.
Since I watched a video from PragerU in which they said Hitler was far-left (of course, the name of his party includes the word socialist, imagine!!!) I believe everything is possible. And more faith in common sense and intelligence I lost when I read the comments below this unique masterpiece of propaganda. (I'm German, this hit me hard.)
I love the frequent use of "no guys see they have a black person saying it that must automatically make it true"
I literally just got the "John F Kennedy would be a republican today" ad while watching this haha 🤣
It’s funny how Aunt Tommi said Nixon lost the South in 1968 when you realize Nixon actually got more Electoral College votes from southern states than either Wallace or Humphrey.
Also, I realized if Wallace had beat Nixon in as little as 3 more southern states, Wallace would’ve split the Electoral College vote, leaving no candidate with a majority.
Of course, watching the coverage from polling night in ‘68 shows that Wallace was actually hoping to carry the border states (Kentucky, Missouri and Oklahoma). The understanding is that those states were supposed to be his springboard into picking up states in the Middle West. Instead, he lost all three. Additionally, a number of Democratic voters in the Rebel states ended up staying with Vice President Humphrey, enough for him to finish second, for instance, in Georgia (to Wallace) and Florida (to Nixon). That resulted in Nixon carrying as many Rebel states as he did, thereby containing Wallace to his geographical base in the Deep South. It’s frightening to contemplate how, early in the evening, it was Nixon and Wallace going toe-to-toe in the College vote; Vice President Humphrey was seemingly a non-factor nationally during the early hours of the count. It was only when he started carrying the big states of the Northeast and the Middle West and Wallace had been successfully contained to the Rebel states that the national tally shifted to the tight matchup between Humphrey and Nixon. Of course, it must also be remembered that Nixon and Wallace had essentially entered into a “gentlemen’s agreement” to not directly campaign against each other and instead focus their collective ire on the vice president, who was already facing a large degree of lukewarm support from rank-and-file Democrats over the war in Indochina.
“Was”. Enough said. I love history. “Was” automatically makes it history.
My college history professor used one of these videos. They're the furthest thing from educational. Dennis just dresses the thumbnails up to look like an edutainment channel because he knows most older people won't think twice before sitting one of PUs videos in front of a classroom.
Double irony:The Reverend Francis Bellamy who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance was-WAIT FOR IT!!-a Baptist Preacher AND A SOCIALIST!!!😢😮😅😊
I really appreciate your content. I love your use original sources. I love throwing the links to your videos into comment sections on other platforms.
And of course…. Got a PragerU ad for this. I thought the video was still going, waiting for the edit. 😂
This whole conversation about what states are "midwest" is hilarious when you're from the far west. Grew up in the Rockies and would always scratch my head when a state as far east as Ohio would consider itself "west" and always thought of the great plains as "midwest"
Not me reading the thumbnail as "tolerant republican jim crow democrat"
I didn't do that
I looked into this about a decade ago and didn't even dream that all this existed. Thanks fellas!