You have definitely made a impression on my wife because she made a comment about how far you have come in your home theater and she was very impressed. I am so glad that she watched this video because she has a better understanding about the whole process of subwoofers and what they are for. I have 4 passive subs that I have not been able to get setup yet because I am still working on my recovery after being in the hospital for almost 6 months but I’m going to get it done in a few months. Thanks for the video it was great seeing my wife growing into a new understanding.
Kpaceguy buy some nice curtains from bedbath&beyond and put them over your window and avr rack door, the bass will improve as well. you will have to recalibrate your system tho
I bought 4 bic pl300's based on your review and so glad I did, the extension and volume is absolutely sick. Had to cut it at 18hz as lower induced nausea 😂
An array of multiple subwoofers evens out the output of the signal to balance out the output of that signal and allows more 'headroom' so to speak. I have not used multiple subwoofers throughout my decades long HT journey and the basement in my now long-realized HT only uses one; an original HSUVTF15 placed behind my couch. Many factors are at play;- how much sqf, is there solid foundation (basement, double flooring etc.) is there solid wall structure (single/double paneling/double drywall/sound absorption), ceiling construction etc. All of these things incorporate into the equation of the result heard/felt. Having a literal earth foundation under my feet and solid brick wall surrounding me (a 102 yo solid house) - so 3 of 4 sides - by more earth factors into my experience. My SPL performance is unique. To a degree needing multiple subwoofers (not wanting) has a lot to do with the structure you sit in/on/within and how the martials used to create that space affect sound output. I can't imagine even opting to utilize Q2/both ports open and have never even tried it with the HSU AND my level on the sub is barely at 0900. I have experienced multiple sub spaces though and found the experience a good one. I would recommend to anyone, whether creating a new space or even moving into a new one, to spend the most time dialing in the room correction WRT room treatment extensively with one subwoofer before adding multiple subwoofers as much as one can.
as long you you have dsp, diy subwoofer is a safe bet to get most for your money. and if you go sealed you can use that extra headroom to extend the bass into the infrasonic :) audio and speakers got so much more fun and easy when dsp came into the hobby.
I diy all of my subs for a fraction of the cost. Pro tip for the audience , if you have a receiver that has Dirac bass control it’s worth the upgrade for multi sub. No need for a mini dsp or any other ads ons. Denon latest receivers have four sub outs and are pretty affordable.
@Kpaceguy I have a cousin that tells me the same thing. "Buy once cry once" and he's not into home theater like we are. For me whatever I buy for my first system to the system I have now , I somehow make it sound the way I like. I might not have the best of gear, what is sounds good to my ears and it's in vibes through me. Especially when listening to music. Now watching movies is another thing. Not floating the boat what do I have five subs . One 8" couple to my center channel. 210 inch couple to my front left and right , and 2:15 inch for the LFE . They cover pretty good sound. If you don't remember me I'm the one that deals with Polk. May not be the best but it's okay to me. Is it really anything out there that I really want? Not right now. I don't need to get anything of the range of 2500 to 10,000 right now. I'm happy where I'm at. Great video keep them coming.
I have a playlist on my D.I.Y subs. I have a short video about the attic sub but I'll make a dedicated one soon as I've changed the sub that is up there since making that video
I’ve heard from a few reliable sources that 3 subs is actually more ideal and the payoff for a 4th sub is very little and then can start to cancel out a bit. But who knows, this could be totally wrong. I currently have two 12” Monoliths but plan on getting a 3rd this year.
Just went back and found your diy vs prebuilt sub videos.. very cool!! 🎉 Question, are you going to use the Dayton UM15 II for the next diy dual sub? Have you thought of maybe trying a different 15” driver? Like the Stereo Intgrity SQL15 or even the RSS390HF etc.. both of those have lower Res Freq. 🎉 Btw. I happened upon an old link to rythmik’s subs and they had the G25hp listed for as low as $2219!!! Can’t believe the price increases.. ugh. Pps. Have you considered building a single 18”/21” or even a GSG flat pack with SI 24” or 18” for your 4th sub which you could then dial in for your infrasonics?? 🎉
I will be using the new ultimaxx 2s. I thought about changing the drivers but I want to keep the subs the same. Maybe in the future I'll upgrade all the subs drivers for more power and output.
Hey Kpaceguy! Thank you for this video but my question is can you use different size subwoofers together, for an example, a 10 inch and a 12 inch subwoofer.
The only problem is Yamaha doesn't have a subwoofer comparable to the RSL Speedwoofer 12 inch (which will be my next subwoofer purchase) and the Yamaha sub I do have is only 10 -inches.
@Kpaceguy I hope it works out. I'm upgrading from 2 10" entry level subs. Even those two shake my couch and makes it feel like I have bass shakers. I'm sure upgrading both the size of the subs and doubling the number will be awesome.
@FURognar i just upgraded my entry level Klipsch 12's to 2 SW15'S and wow! What a difference! These subs give me the bass I was missing. The kind you don't hear, but feel the floor shake! I thought about using the Klipsch for rear subs since I have 4 independent sub outs on my Denon avrx3800, but everyone says you should try to keep them the same. So I'll use the Klipsch in other rooms and possibly buy 2 more SW15'S 😊
Nice, Subs!!! Normally, i would jus save my money until BF or catch a sale during the year. But i am truly Pleased with what i hav in my basement. Which what u would find in a actual Movie Theater. No one I seen or know has the same set up. But i built my system over years of slow upgrades...I tell everybody Build slow and get what u Like/Want. Don't follow Anybody get what U can afford and be happy...
There only 2 subwoofer not 4 🤔 there 1 sub in a sealed box with a passive radiator on the opposite side 🧐of it😉 I highly doubt that it's a 4 subwoofer set up and in 4 sealed box built 2 duals 🫡💯🎵🎶
Although I agree with it, “buy once, cry once” is a tough pill to swallow in this hobby. I think this hobby lends itself to incremental upgrades. With the price of things, you have to learn to enjoy the journey of dreaming, planning, saving, and executing when you can. Patience is hard but rewarding. One thing I’d advise to everyone in the hobby is LEARN to become handy with tools and DIY. There’s so much value there. I, myself, DIY’d most of my room and all four of my stereo integrity 15s are DIY. Nearly all my theater is second hand quality gear.
K, why aren’t you at CES?? I can’t stand it when i see rooms with seating against the back wall!! Even when looking for houses on Zillow!! lol Ps. Are you gonna specify “howl to calibrate multiple subs?? 🎉 thanks
@@Kpaceguy thanks. Yeah I found those videos after scrolling thru your long list! lol. Btw. Is there any way to maybe put your videos in “folders/playlists” to find the info easier? Thanks again
@MattyDaddy14 They are in playlist already. The minidsp playlist is how to calibrate multiple subs. The How to playlists are how to do basically anything in home theater
@ oh my bad!! I was up till like 4am watching the videos on my tv with Apple 4k tv and I didn’t realize the playlists listings were further down. lol. Found them all! Thanks again!
You could of saved a few hundred dollars or got more powerful subs if you would of bought car audio subwoofer . Home audio woofer are over priced for what they are. Home audio subs are basically buget end car audio subs. All the high end Home audio sub are designed after car audio woofers sunfire svs hsu velodyne klipsch 1000w rms and under. For the price of any of those brands you could get these car audio brands b2 audio , sound qubed , orine sundown . car audio sub are also available in 18in cone area king. 💯🫡✌️🎶🎵👌
@Kpaceguy it's all in the box and tuning. I also doubt that you can hear any difference by ear. the b2 audio or hdc Orian subs can get nasty low and the peak to peak travel insane either one can take 3000w rms all day. There isn't any power subwoofer doing that amount the svs16 ultra or the new 17 are the only thing that comes close and that💰🤑 2500$ 3k$ Just for 1 sub for that price you be able to get 4 subwoofer in b2 audio sub and the amplifiers in total that would be 10k watt all put together worth of subwoofer power Vs 1 svs. 💯🤔🧐🫡✌️👌🎶🎵
@Kpaceguy 💯🤑 that what about what two b2 audio or 2 orain hdc coast . watch a review on either of those subs in a demo on UA-cam there really impressive 🎵🎶💯👌✌️
You have definitely made a impression on my wife because she made a comment about how far you have come in your home theater and she was very impressed. I am so glad that she watched this video because she has a better understanding about the whole process of subwoofers and what they are for. I have 4 passive subs that I have not been able to get setup yet because I am still working on my recovery after being in the hospital for almost 6 months but I’m going to get it done in a few months. Thanks for the video it was great seeing my wife growing into a new understanding.
@@MichaelLHill-fd3kw tell her I said i appreciate the kind words and thank you both for watching!
Kpaceguy buy some nice curtains from bedbath&beyond and put them over your window and avr rack door, the bass will improve as well. you will have to recalibrate your system tho
Haven't decided if I want to do curtains or motorized blinds or even board it up and make it look like the rest of the wall
I saw the biggest improvement in my REW frequency response graph after adding a 4th subwoofer.
Nice! Any tutorials on how to DIY subs? I have a couple stock car subs just sitting around and want to repurpose them!
@@CaptainAsia311 i don't have any tutorials on my channel. But there are a lot out there. It can be complicated
I bought 4 bic pl300's based on your review and so glad I did, the extension and volume is absolutely sick. Had to cut it at 18hz as lower induced nausea 😂
Those things are beasts!
@@Kpaceguy totally agree 👍
An array of multiple subwoofers evens out the output of the signal to balance out the output of that signal and allows more 'headroom' so to speak. I have not used multiple subwoofers throughout my decades long HT journey and the basement in my now long-realized HT only uses one; an original HSUVTF15 placed behind my couch. Many factors are at play;- how much sqf, is there solid foundation (basement, double flooring etc.) is there solid wall structure (single/double paneling/double drywall/sound absorption), ceiling construction etc. All of these things incorporate into the equation of the result heard/felt. Having a literal earth foundation under my feet and solid brick wall surrounding me (a 102 yo solid house) - so 3 of 4 sides - by more earth factors into my experience. My SPL performance is unique. To a degree needing multiple subwoofers (not wanting) has a lot to do with the structure you sit in/on/within and how the martials used to create that space affect sound output. I can't imagine even opting to utilize Q2/both ports open and have never even tried it with the HSU AND my level on the sub is barely at 0900. I have experienced multiple sub spaces though and found the experience a good one. I would recommend to anyone, whether creating a new space or even moving into a new one, to spend the most time dialing in the room correction WRT room treatment extensively with one subwoofer before adding multiple subwoofers as much as one can.
That’s what I have, 4 SVS PB1000 Pro’s.
Great Audio....wt surrounds you have installed?
Right now get are kef on walls. But will switch to Kef q4s
as long you you have dsp, diy subwoofer is a safe bet to get most for your money. and if you go sealed you can use that extra headroom to extend the bass into the infrasonic :)
audio and speakers got so much more fun and easy when dsp came into the hobby.
I diy all of my subs for a fraction of the cost.
Pro tip for the audience , if you have a receiver that has Dirac bass control it’s worth the upgrade for multi sub. No need for a mini dsp or any other ads ons.
Denon latest receivers have four sub outs and are pretty affordable.
Agreed
Great upload , massive inspiration to us smaller creators 👍👍👍
I greatly appreciate it!
Nice video. How's the Kef q4 meta as center channel so far?
Its WAY better than expected
@@Kpaceguy Good. Do you think this speaker will be a good match for R11 and R6 meta for surround speakers?
@edwinabuel324 100%. I'll be getting 2 more for surrounds in a couple weeks.
I will audition those speakers this year. Thank you Kpaceguy🥂
I am not a HT person, more just music, but I agree with your ideas. I like 4 subs and use the dsp.
@Kpaceguy I have a cousin that tells me the same thing. "Buy once cry once" and he's not into home theater like we are. For me whatever I buy for my first system to the system I have now , I somehow make it sound the way I like. I might not have the best of gear, what is sounds good to my ears and it's in vibes through me. Especially when listening to music. Now watching movies is another thing. Not floating the boat what do I have five subs . One 8" couple to my center channel. 210 inch couple to my front left and right , and 2:15 inch for the LFE . They cover pretty good sound. If you don't remember me I'm the one that deals with Polk. May not be the best but it's okay to me. Is it really anything out there that I really want? Not right now. I don't need to get anything of the range of 2500 to 10,000 right now. I'm happy where I'm at. Great video keep them coming.
If you're happy, I'm happy!
Question with you Subwoofer connection. Did you plug your Subwoofers straight to the wall outlet or do you plug into a Powersurge and Conditioner?
@@edwinabuel324 1 is on a wall outlet. Everything else in my system is on a conditioner
@Kpaceguy Thanks.
Do you have a video on the diy sub and the setup in your attic? Sounds interesting and a very unique concept.
I have a playlist on my D.I.Y subs. I have a short video about the attic sub but I'll make a dedicated one soon as I've changed the sub that is up there since making that video
I’ve heard from a few reliable sources that 3 subs is actually more ideal and the payoff for a 4th sub is very little and then can start to cancel out a bit. But who knows, this could be totally wrong. I currently have two 12” Monoliths but plan on getting a 3rd this year.
Guess I'll tell you soon. That dip around 80hz might be able to fixed with this 4th sub. They'll be a video on it hopefully this month.
What is the name of the movie you demo?
@@Techtheo godzilla vs kong the new empire
Just went back and found your diy vs prebuilt sub videos.. very cool!! 🎉
Question, are you going to use the Dayton UM15 II for the next diy dual sub? Have you thought of maybe trying a different 15” driver? Like the Stereo Intgrity SQL15 or even the RSS390HF etc.. both of those have lower Res Freq. 🎉
Btw. I happened upon an old link to rythmik’s subs and they had the G25hp listed for as low as $2219!!! Can’t believe the price increases.. ugh.
Pps. Have you considered building a single 18”/21” or even a GSG flat pack with SI 24” or 18” for your 4th sub which you could then dial in for your infrasonics?? 🎉
I will be using the new ultimaxx 2s. I thought about changing the drivers but I want to keep the subs the same. Maybe in the future I'll upgrade all the subs drivers for more power and output.
Hey Kpaceguy! Thank you for this video but my question is can you use different size subwoofers together, for an example, a 10 inch and a 12 inch subwoofer.
Its possibly. At least make them from the same brand and model
The only problem is Yamaha doesn't have a subwoofer comparable to the RSL Speedwoofer 12 inch (which will be my next subwoofer purchase) and the Yamaha sub I do have is only 10 -inches.
@davidross7255 plan to upgrade it in the future
Did you use the Rhitmic diy kit for copy sub build? If not how you implement the servo technology?
@shteud01 you can't use the servo tech without their amp and driver combo. So I use a dsp to do something similar. But I can't replicate it all.
@@Kpaceguy So you basically made a white box which look like Rhitmik. Without servo, its a simply DIY sub from part-express tuned with minidsp. I see.
Where’s your center channel?
Behind the screen
Where's the video for the subwoofer on the ceiling?
I'll make a new one soon
Which is better 7.1 or 5.1.2
@@stephenreynolds3711 ua-cam.com/video/z3GOC6TuTbI/v-deo.html
I'm getting 4 Starke Sound SW15s.
That's a nice setup!
@Kpaceguy I hope it works out. I'm upgrading from 2 10" entry level subs. Even those two shake my couch and makes it feel like I have bass shakers. I'm sure upgrading both the size of the subs and doubling the number will be awesome.
@FURognar you'll love it
@FURognar i just upgraded my entry level Klipsch 12's to 2 SW15'S and wow! What a difference! These subs give me the bass I was missing. The kind you don't hear, but feel the floor shake! I thought about using the Klipsch for rear subs since I have 4 independent sub outs on my Denon avrx3800, but everyone says you should try to keep them the same. So I'll use the Klipsch in other rooms and possibly buy 2 more SW15'S 😊
@@johnlegg6661 nice!
Definitely try to go for 2 more subs ultimately. Minimum of 4 subs is where you start to even out the bass.
What’s the size of your room?
@@princeandroyaltys2478 10.5x13x8
Nice, Subs!!! Normally, i would jus save my money until BF or catch a sale during the year. But i am truly Pleased with what i hav in my basement. Which what u would find in a actual Movie Theater. No one I seen or know has the same set up. But i built my system over years of slow upgrades...I tell everybody Build slow and get what u Like/Want. Don't follow Anybody get what U can afford and be happy...
I’m here first I got on here 15 seconds after he post yeah 😂
I love it!
Don't they say not to face your subwoofers across like that so they noise cancel out
Just saying
Never heard it in my life
There only 2 subwoofer not 4 🤔 there 1 sub in a sealed box with a passive radiator on the opposite side 🧐of it😉 I highly doubt that it's a 4 subwoofer set up and in 4 sealed box built 2 duals 🫡💯🎵🎶
They're literally 4 subwoofers with 2 dual active 15in drivers lol
Although I agree with it, “buy once, cry once” is a tough pill to swallow in this hobby.
I think this hobby lends itself to incremental upgrades. With the price of things, you have to learn to enjoy the journey of dreaming, planning, saving, and executing when you can. Patience is hard but rewarding.
One thing I’d advise to everyone in the hobby is LEARN to become handy with tools and DIY. There’s so much value there. I, myself, DIY’d most of my room and all four of my stereo integrity 15s are DIY. Nearly all my theater is second hand quality gear.
Not a great Idea to have your subs right next to your STP.
They dont vibrate. They are dual opposed They dont move
K, why aren’t you at CES??
I can’t stand it when i see rooms with seating against the back wall!! Even when looking for houses on Zillow!! lol
Ps. Are you gonna specify “howl to calibrate multiple subs?? 🎉 thanks
@MattyDaddy14 CES is very expensive lol. I have some how to calibrate videos in my playlists
@@Kpaceguy thanks. Yeah I found those videos after scrolling thru your long list! lol. Btw. Is there any way to maybe put your videos in “folders/playlists” to find the info easier? Thanks again
@MattyDaddy14 They are in playlist already. The minidsp playlist is how to calibrate multiple subs. The How to playlists are how to do basically anything in home theater
@ oh my bad!! I was up till like 4am watching the videos on my tv with Apple 4k tv and I didn’t realize the playlists listings were further down. lol. Found them all! Thanks again!
Hello guy
You could of saved a few hundred dollars or got more powerful subs if you would of bought car audio subwoofer . Home audio woofer are over priced for what they are. Home audio subs are basically buget end car audio subs. All the high end Home audio sub are designed after car audio woofers sunfire svs hsu velodyne klipsch 1000w rms and under. For the price of any of those brands you could get these car audio brands b2 audio , sound qubed , orine sundown . car audio sub are also available in 18in cone area king. 💯🫡✌️🎶🎵👌
Yes but car audio subs don't hit as low as home audio subs and although they can get louder, they don't sound as good.
@Kpaceguy it's all in the box and tuning. I also doubt that you can hear any difference by ear. the b2 audio or hdc Orian subs can get nasty low and the peak to peak travel insane either one can take 3000w rms all day. There isn't any power subwoofer doing that amount the svs16 ultra or the new 17 are the only thing that comes close and that💰🤑 2500$ 3k$ Just for 1 sub for that price you be able to get 4 subwoofer in b2 audio sub and the amplifiers in total that would be 10k watt all put together worth of subwoofer power Vs 1 svs. 💯🤔🧐🫡✌️👌🎶🎵
I mean I agree. That's why I built my own. I have 2400 watts on one one sub and 3200 on the other 2 subs and it costs me about 1000 bucks to make
@Kpaceguy 💯🤑 that what about what two b2 audio or 2 orain hdc coast . watch a review on either of those subs in a demo on UA-cam there really impressive 🎵🎶💯👌✌️