As someone who recently purchased a Lightning, I just want to clarify one point. Towing. As a contractor, I do a lot of towing. The lightning, with its instant torque, is by far the best towing 1/2 ton I've ever driven. So to say it is bad at towing is not true. What should have been said is that it's bad at "long distance" towing. The sole problem with all EV trucks is DC charging speeds, and as mentioned, abundant infrastructure with towing stalls. Even the range is fine, since you start each day full. Even with the drop to a 200 mile range when towing, I would be fine with if I could just pull into a station, charge up full, and be back on the road in 5 min. I believe the technology will eventually get there, but if what you do all the time is long distance towing, none of the EV trucks are ready for you yet. For us, we work our trucks hard but they never leave the city and hardly ever go over 100 miles in a day. The lightning has been amazing with the frunk that stores and charges our tools, The pro power in the back that powers our entire work site, and the cost savings of fuel (at least 1/5 the cost)
Agree with you. I am not a contractor but do lots of Home Depot hauling and to the dump hauling as I renovate my two homes. This truck tows better than any half ton truck I have ever owned. I also towed a mid size boat a 250 miles (500 round trip) for a family vacation from Western to Eastern Washington the past two years. Now with the Tesla Superchager network it is a piece of cake. Tesla V4 station on my route on I90 has pull through trailer stalls and charges at or near my max. I can go 30-80 in the time it takes to check the trailer, use the restroom and order and down a burger. Actually can't even finish the burger before I am informed by my app I a have reached my 80%. So if one doesn't mind stopping after two to three hours of trailer pulling, this vehicle does it very well. For shorter routes involving only home charging, it is hard to beat.
Maybe you would get a lightning over a cybertruck because one starts at 80k, and one starts at 60k & is eligible for the 7500 tax rebate on several trim levels while also giving you free at home charging kit & install. Also not giving your money to a right wing troll is an added bonus.
Nice review, but it is more about why the 150 is a good electric truck than why it is better than the cybertruck as while the cybertruck is mentioned, he doesn't do too much direct comparison. I've posted comments on the cybertruck as I don't really get it and I've gotten responses pointing out that it has great innovations like a 48 volt architecture, 4 wheel steer, steer by wire, a strong stainless steel exterior and other things in the programming. But at the job of being a pickup I can't see how these innovations really make the cybertruck more capable. The cybertruck strikes me as something that was designed to have a certain look and then engineers were tasked with making it function as best as they could. The F 150 is the product of years of evolution, from a design that was meant to be a truck but not an electric vehicle. The cybertruck seems like a missed opportunity to build a great electric truck, not just an innovative electric vehicle.
I'm not sure why people consider the CT to be "Form over Function" but I guess maybe it was. I usually think of it more as going back to "first principals" and building the shape of the truck around what it needs to do. The shape of the Cybertruck is objectively better from a range perspective, because to have an aero-dynamic truck you can't have the low-pressure area behind the cab of a typical truck, and you have to minimize the low-pressure area behind the tailgate. The CT is really aerodynamic when you look at it in fluid-dynamics programs. The air stays attached going over the apex of the roof, so you don't get turbulence and drag like you do in regular 3-box trucks, and the underbody is perfectly flat. The fact that the wedge shape gives you a ton of enclosed water-resistant space under the tonneau cover is a bonus. And the CT *is* a great electric truck, in that no electric truck beats it on bed length, payload capacity or towing capacity, and it beats some gas F150s for carrying capacity. All while handling on rails when the air suspension is set to "low", steering like a sportscar, all while having a ton more offroad capability than a gas F150, since the CT has mechanical lockers and 16" of ground clearance. I don't think I'd want to take a lightning offroad based on what I've seen...
@@RobertPitasThe Cybertruck isn't aerodynamic though. The large, flat front more than negates, any gain from the sloped rear. The actual coefficient of drag ends up worse than the Silverado EV. The Silverado EV also beats the Cybertruck in actual bed capacity. The Cybertruck claims 6 feet, but steeply slopes, so the real bed length is shorter. Plus it is significantly narrower in the bed than the Silverado. Also, Cybertruck claims 11k towing, but can't actually brake that much on a hill without overheating the brakes. That isn't even getting into the woefully inadequate range of the Cybertruck when towing.
Love the bike test but I feel that electric tire pumps for bike tires is a weenie thing. That said, the electric pump might be good for the lightning's tires. I may be able to pump up the tires of my Soul with a bike pump but an F-150 might be a bit much.
I'm not a Ford fan by any stretch, but I appreciate that they kept the F150 design and "simply" made it electric. Where I feel they sorta dropped the ball is, because the accent piece in the fender is the same on both sides, they should have made both sides a charge port.
Only thing I’m concerned with is Charging stations. I am also from Michigan but stationed in California right now so it would be perfect but I plan on getting stationed in Michigan for my next tour
I own both an F150 (2014 FX4) and a Cyberbeast, and the Cybertruck is a MUCH better vehicle. It’s a better truck with a bigger, covered bed, much more payload capacity (>500lbs more in the bed), tows the same as a gasser F150 (more than lightning’s 10k), much more ground clearance, bigger tires, and mechanical lockers for offroading, and the four wheel steering is amazing for trailering - it’s practically impossible to jacknife my landscaping trailer while backing up. Then as a car, it does 10.90 in the quarter mile, handles like it’s on rails when the suspension is set to “low”, fits in places the F150 can’t, has an AMAZING stereo and the best entertainment options. The Tesla mobile app is crazy. Does the Ford have any advantages? I used to miss the Apple Car Play, but I really don’t anymore. There have been times when I wish the Frunk was bigger and had outlets in it, but I usually just keep my daughter’s lacrosse and tennis stuff in there, so I don’t need it. For the first couple hours I owned the Tesla, I missed the directional stalk, but you get used to the buttons quickly. One of the biggest things is the steering and handling - once you drive the Cybertruck it’s hard to go back. The couple times I have driven my F150 since I got the CT, I almost missed turns because the Ford’s steering is SOOOOO slow. It’s seriously like driving a dump truck with mechanical steering compared to the Cybertruck.
Just don't get any bugs or water on it. Make sure your kid doesn't cut a finger off & enjoy it while it's not under recall - then yeah, maybe it's a decent vehicle. 😂😂
@@cubsfanbigmike31 I live in NH - the bugs are crazy and there's water on it all the time. Cleans up pretty easy with no issues. A little simple green followed immediately after with Windex and it's good as new - don't need any special cleaner/polish/wax. If anything happens I can literally polish it with Mother's metal polish and it comes out good as new. Try THAT with a stone chip in the paint of your F150! Can't really key or dent the CT skin either - would polish right out. It does look blotchy if you don't know how to clean it, and the fingerprint issue is real, but other than that, it's a lot easier to take care of than my F150 was, and I don't have to worry about the CT turning into a pile of rust in my driveway like the F150. 90% of the "recalls" on Tesla's are fixed by an update in my driveway - I've done more recalls on my F150 than my Cybertruck, although to be fair the FX4 is 10 years old at this point and I'm sure the CT will catch up. If your kid cuts their finger off, they probably are the kind of kid that would have slammed their fingers in the door too, in which case they were just destined not to have fingers.
The Cyber Truck’s value is going to plummet. The early adopters are going to lose their shirts. Plus it’s grotesquely ugly. It looks like a cheap prop from a 1960’s cheesy sci-fi movie.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s by replying to all the comments you’re acting a lot like a Tesla fanboy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure. But fanboys only look at the badge, not the actual product, which invalidates their opinion. People in a cult uncritically praise everything about the cult.
The Cybertruck is absolutely losing value. Tyler from Hoovie's Garage sold his months ago for$140,000, and the dealer still has it, now priced at $104,000.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s It is not what you have implied. The vehicle was built for an audience of one person. Only one guy ordered the thing to be made and you did not have a vote. Besides there is not any evolution involved in its creation so why call it a truck, it is a form factor without a name. Innovation is good when it is driven by a purpose. Being cool for one man's taste is far from being a purpose to create other than being a work of art. Ok, so you love this piece of art - I would not call it a truck.
Stopped watching when you showed the clowns with the CyberTruck broken bumper. The broke the bumper by not ha ing the CyberTruck in high lift mode over an obstacle which caused the CyberTruck's entire weight to land on the bumper. clowns
Yet the F150 was abused much worse in the next video without the hitch ripping the back of the truck off. Also, at least 3 more Cybertrucks have had the hitch rip off in regular towing. Tesla Stans all go to the same source for their regurgitated excuses.
Ford with such financial resources and they only did something like this look at the Silverado EV truck very cleverly designed EV Rivian is a different game and the cybertruck is a show of possibilities, genius and technological advancement, Ford is a show of LAZYNESS AND CHEAPNESS it did not impress with anything zero...
Keeping this truck less gimmicky was the best thing Ford ever did. You can get the 320 mile range for just over 50k. I’m sorry you need to be impressed with nonsense, but I’ll take practical every day.
@@travis5481 I don't know what you're talking about, maybe more like $72,000.. in my opinion Ford didn't make an effort...ua-cam.com/video/dpJNQQwX3hM/v-deo.htmlsi=CdPS4EbBi-Wj2qrR
I own both an F150 (2014 FX4) and a Cyberbeast, and the Cybertruck is a MUCH better vehicle. It’s a better truck with a bigger, covered bed, much more payload capacity (>500lbs more in the bed), tows the same as a gasser F150 (more than lightning’s 10k), much more ground clearance, bigger tires, and mechanical lockers for offroading, and the four wheel steering is amazing for trailering - it’s practically impossible to jacknife my landscaping trailer while backing up. Then as a car, it does 10.90 in the quarter mile, handles like it’s on rails when the suspension is set to “low”, fits in places the F150 can’t, has an AMAZING stereo and the best entertainment options. The Tesla mobile app is crazy. Does the Ford have any advantages? I used to miss the Apple Car Play, but I really don’t anymore. There have been times when I wish the Frunk was bigger and had outlets in it, but I usually just keep my daughter’s lacrosse and tennis stuff in there, so I don’t need it. For the first couple hours I owned the Tesla, I missed the directional stalk, but you get used to the buttons quickly. One of the biggest things is the steering and handling - once you drive the Cybertruck it’s hard to go back. The couple times I have driven my F150 since I got the CT, I almost missed turns because the Ford’s steering is SOOOOO slow. It’s seriously like driving a dump truck with mechanical steering compared to the Cybertruck.
As someone who recently purchased a Lightning, I just want to clarify one point. Towing. As a contractor, I do a lot of towing. The lightning, with its instant torque, is by far the best towing 1/2 ton I've ever driven. So to say it is bad at towing is not true. What should have been said is that it's bad at "long distance" towing. The sole problem with all EV trucks is DC charging speeds, and as mentioned, abundant infrastructure with towing stalls. Even the range is fine, since you start each day full. Even with the drop to a 200 mile range when towing, I would be fine with if I could just pull into a station, charge up full, and be back on the road in 5 min. I believe the technology will eventually get there, but if what you do all the time is long distance towing, none of the EV trucks are ready for you yet. For us, we work our trucks hard but they never leave the city and hardly ever go over 100 miles in a day. The lightning has been amazing with the frunk that stores and charges our tools, The pro power in the back that powers our entire work site, and the cost savings of fuel (at least 1/5 the cost)
Agree with you. I am not a contractor but do lots of Home Depot hauling and to the dump hauling as I renovate my two homes. This truck tows better than any half ton truck I have ever owned. I also towed a mid size boat a 250 miles (500 round trip) for a family vacation from Western to Eastern Washington the past two years. Now with the Tesla Superchager network it is a piece of cake. Tesla V4 station on my route on I90 has pull through trailer stalls and charges at or near my max. I can go 30-80 in the time it takes to check the trailer, use the restroom and order and down a burger. Actually can't even finish the burger before I am informed by my app I a have reached my 80%. So if one doesn't mind stopping after two to three hours of trailer pulling, this vehicle does it very well. For shorter routes involving only home charging, it is hard to beat.
Exactly! Planning to buy a lightning for exactly this. Towing my enclosed trailer around the city
How dare you be happy with a vehicle that meets your needs!
Maybe you would get a lightning over a cybertruck because one starts at 80k, and one starts at 60k & is eligible for the 7500 tax rebate on several trim levels while also giving you free at home charging kit & install. Also not giving your money to a right wing troll is an added bonus.
Nice review, but it is more about why the 150 is a good electric truck than why it is better than the cybertruck as while the cybertruck is mentioned, he doesn't do too much direct comparison. I've posted comments on the cybertruck as I don't really get it and I've gotten responses pointing out that it has great innovations like a 48 volt architecture, 4 wheel steer, steer by wire, a strong stainless steel exterior and other things in the programming. But at the job of being a pickup I can't see how these innovations really make the cybertruck more capable. The cybertruck strikes me as something that was designed to have a certain look and then engineers were tasked with making it function as best as they could. The F 150 is the product of years of evolution, from a design that was meant to be a truck but not an electric vehicle. The cybertruck seems like a missed opportunity to build a great electric truck, not just an innovative electric vehicle.
I'm not sure why people consider the CT to be "Form over Function" but I guess maybe it was. I usually think of it more as going back to "first principals" and building the shape of the truck around what it needs to do. The shape of the Cybertruck is objectively better from a range perspective, because to have an aero-dynamic truck you can't have the low-pressure area behind the cab of a typical truck, and you have to minimize the low-pressure area behind the tailgate. The CT is really aerodynamic when you look at it in fluid-dynamics programs. The air stays attached going over the apex of the roof, so you don't get turbulence and drag like you do in regular 3-box trucks, and the underbody is perfectly flat. The fact that the wedge shape gives you a ton of enclosed water-resistant space under the tonneau cover is a bonus.
And the CT *is* a great electric truck, in that no electric truck beats it on bed length, payload capacity or towing capacity, and it beats some gas F150s for carrying capacity. All while handling on rails when the air suspension is set to "low", steering like a sportscar, all while having a ton more offroad capability than a gas F150, since the CT has mechanical lockers and 16" of ground clearance. I don't think I'd want to take a lightning offroad based on what I've seen...
@@RobertPitasThe Cybertruck isn't aerodynamic though. The large, flat front more than negates, any gain from the sloped rear. The actual coefficient of drag ends up worse than the Silverado EV.
The Silverado EV also beats the Cybertruck in actual bed capacity. The Cybertruck claims 6 feet, but steeply slopes, so the real bed length is shorter. Plus it is significantly narrower in the bed than the Silverado. Also, Cybertruck claims 11k towing, but can't actually brake that much on a hill without overheating the brakes. That isn't even getting into the woefully inadequate range of the Cybertruck when towing.
Cyber truck looks like a rolling trash can from the 80's
Okay dude we get it. It’s a Cybertruck, what do you expect? Still looks better than a new Blazer.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s No it doesn't lol
Love the bike test but I feel that electric tire pumps for bike tires is a weenie thing. That said, the electric pump might be good for the lightning's tires. I may be able to pump up the tires of my Soul with a bike pump but an F-150 might be a bit much.
I'm not a Ford fan by any stretch, but I appreciate that they kept the F150 design and "simply" made it electric. Where I feel they sorta dropped the ball is, because the accent piece in the fender is the same on both sides, they should have made both sides a charge port.
Newer models have dropped the passenger side look of a charge door.
@@enzop.3227 Such a missed opportunity.
@@davinlaroche3029 I think at the time it was more about ascetics, but maybe they will bring it back to have NACS on one side and DC on other.
Only thing I’m concerned with is Charging stations. I am also from Michigan but stationed in California right now so it would be perfect but I plan on getting stationed in Michigan for my next tour
I own both an F150 (2014 FX4) and a Cyberbeast, and the Cybertruck is a MUCH better vehicle. It’s a better truck with a bigger, covered bed, much more payload capacity (>500lbs more in the bed), tows the same as a gasser F150 (more than lightning’s 10k), much more ground clearance, bigger tires, and mechanical lockers for offroading, and the four wheel steering is amazing for trailering - it’s practically impossible to jacknife my landscaping trailer while backing up. Then as a car, it does 10.90 in the quarter mile, handles like it’s on rails when the suspension is set to “low”, fits in places the F150 can’t, has an AMAZING stereo and the best entertainment options. The Tesla mobile app is crazy.
Does the Ford have any advantages? I used to miss the Apple Car Play, but I really don’t anymore. There have been times when I wish the Frunk was bigger and had outlets in it, but I usually just keep my daughter’s lacrosse and tennis stuff in there, so I don’t need it.
For the first couple hours I owned the Tesla, I missed the directional stalk, but you get used to the buttons quickly.
One of the biggest things is the steering and handling - once you drive the Cybertruck it’s hard to go back. The couple times I have driven my F150 since I got the CT, I almost missed turns because the Ford’s steering is SOOOOO slow. It’s seriously like driving a dump truck with mechanical steering compared to the Cybertruck.
Just don't get any bugs or water on it. Make sure your kid doesn't cut a finger off & enjoy it while it's not under recall - then yeah, maybe it's a decent vehicle. 😂😂
@@cubsfanbigmike31 I live in NH - the bugs are crazy and there's water on it all the time. Cleans up pretty easy with no issues. A little simple green followed immediately after with Windex and it's good as new - don't need any special cleaner/polish/wax. If anything happens I can literally polish it with Mother's metal polish and it comes out good as new. Try THAT with a stone chip in the paint of your F150! Can't really key or dent the CT skin either - would polish right out. It does look blotchy if you don't know how to clean it, and the fingerprint issue is real, but other than that, it's a lot easier to take care of than my F150 was, and I don't have to worry about the CT turning into a pile of rust in my driveway like the F150. 90% of the "recalls" on Tesla's are fixed by an update in my driveway - I've done more recalls on my F150 than my Cybertruck, although to be fair the FX4 is 10 years old at this point and I'm sure the CT will catch up.
If your kid cuts their finger off, they probably are the kind of kid that would have slammed their fingers in the door too, in which case they were just destined not to have fingers.
Been driving pickups for over 30 years. Never once nearly missed a turn due to "slow steering". Sounds like a driver skill issue.
Good and interesting review!
The Lightning Flash is even better!
finally Ford Vs Tesla
How much did you pay for it?
I paid 42k with 0% apr on my 23 XLT ER
The Cyber Truck’s value is going to plummet. The early adopters are going to lose their shirts.
Plus it’s grotesquely ugly. It looks like a cheap prop from a 1960’s cheesy sci-fi movie.
Is it? It’s opinion. It’s a Cybertruck, it’s bold, it’s different. I love it.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s by replying to all the comments you’re acting a lot like a Tesla fanboy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure. But fanboys only look at the badge, not the actual product, which invalidates their opinion. People in a cult uncritically praise everything about the cult.
The Cybertruck is absolutely losing value. Tyler from Hoovie's Garage sold his months ago for$140,000, and the dealer still has it, now priced at $104,000.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s It is not what you have implied. The vehicle was built for an audience of one person. Only one guy ordered the thing to be made and you did not have a vote. Besides there is not any evolution involved in its creation so why call it a truck, it is a form factor without a name. Innovation is good when it is driven by a purpose. Being cool for one man's taste is far from being a purpose to create other than being a work of art. Ok, so you love this piece of art - I would not call it a truck.
I think it is more of a lifestyle vehicle choice.. IMHO
Stopped watching when you showed the clowns with the CyberTruck broken bumper. The broke the bumper by not ha ing the CyberTruck in high lift mode over an obstacle which caused the CyberTruck's entire weight to land on the bumper. clowns
Yet the F150 was abused much worse in the next video without the hitch ripping the back of the truck off. Also, at least 3 more Cybertrucks have had the hitch rip off in regular towing. Tesla Stans all go to the same source for their regurgitated excuses.
lol
Ford with such financial resources and they only did something like this look at the Silverado EV truck very cleverly designed EV Rivian is a different game and the cybertruck is a show of possibilities, genius and technological advancement, Ford is a show of LAZYNESS AND CHEAPNESS it did not impress with anything zero...
Keeping this truck less gimmicky was the best thing Ford ever did. You can get the 320 mile range for just over 50k. I’m sorry you need to be impressed with nonsense, but I’ll take practical every day.
@@travis5481 I don't know what you're talking about, maybe more like $72,000.. in my opinion Ford didn't make an effort...ua-cam.com/video/dpJNQQwX3hM/v-deo.htmlsi=CdPS4EbBi-Wj2qrR
I own both an F150 (2014 FX4) and a Cyberbeast, and the Cybertruck is a MUCH better vehicle. It’s a better truck with a bigger, covered bed, much more payload capacity (>500lbs more in the bed), tows the same as a gasser F150 (more than lightning’s 10k), much more ground clearance, bigger tires, and mechanical lockers for offroading, and the four wheel steering is amazing for trailering - it’s practically impossible to jacknife my landscaping trailer while backing up. Then as a car, it does 10.90 in the quarter mile, handles like it’s on rails when the suspension is set to “low”, fits in places the F150 can’t, has an AMAZING stereo and the best entertainment options. The Tesla mobile app is crazy.
Does the Ford have any advantages? I used to miss the Apple Car Play, but I really don’t anymore. There have been times when I wish the Frunk was bigger and had outlets in it, but I usually just keep my daughter’s lacrosse and tennis stuff in there, so I don’t need it.
For the first couple hours I owned the Tesla, I missed the directional stalk, but you get used to the buttons quickly.
One of the biggest things is the steering and handling - once you drive the Cybertruck it’s hard to go back. The couple times I have driven my F150 since I got the CT, I almost missed turns because the Ford’s steering is SOOOOO slow. It’s seriously like driving a dump truck with mechanical steering compared to the Cybertruck.