Sacraments #9: The Gravely Insufficient New Mass w/ Fr. Paul Robinson
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2022
- Father Paul Robinson will join us to look at each aspect of the New Mass, and how it constitutes a gravely insufficient way of adoring the Holy Trinity. We’ll be using clips from a couple Novus Ordo Masses to illustrate each section that Father is discussing - and to be as fair as possible, we will mainly be looking at a fairly reverent, common Novus Ordo Mass. It would be easy to find a New Mass with dancers, bands and light shows - but we’re trying to illustrate that at its core, the prayers and rubrics of the priest are a striking departure from Catholic theology, and are closer to Cramners’ Protestant reformations.
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When you grow up with the NO like I did, you don’t learn ANY of this. I’m trying to catch up now. Thanks for the help!
Yes you do if you are active catholic and know what you're doing.
CCC 1330 [...] The Holy Sacrifice, because it makes present the one sacrifice of Christ the Savior and includes the Church's offering. The terms holy sacrifice of the Mass, "sacrifice of praise," spiritual sacrifice, pure and holy sacrifice are also used,150 since it completes and surpasses all the sacrifices of the Old Covenanth. Holy and Divine Liturgy, because the Church's whole liturgy finds its center and most intense expression in the celebration of this sacrament; in the same sense we also call its celebration the Sacred Mysteries. We speak of the Most Blessed Sacrament because it is the Sacrament of sacraments. The Eucharistic species reserved in the tabernacle are designated by this same name.
@@vivekapihl5179 Sadly, the text, rubrics >and actual details practiced< in the NovusO. fashion the Faith-Lex orandi, lex credendi-in Catholics.
You're correct, strictly speaking, that all Catholics are responsible to know what the Mass IS (and does, re: grace and Sacrament conferred); as well as the Faith. At the same time, as St. John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, and others have made clear, it IS THE DUTY of bishops (first) and also of priests (in lesser degree) TO INSTRUCT the faithful. And they WILL answer to God for each soul lost because of their negligence >or silence.<
Pope Paul VI, IF his soul was saved, had to answer to God for every single soul that was lost under his watch. And all bishops then-and after-who supported his changes face the same weight of responsibility. As saints and doctors of the Church have repeated, it is harder for a bishop or priest to save his soul than it is for a lay person.
Padre Pio said the rosary is "the weapon!" So... so many we need to pray.
@@vivekapihl5179 but whenever is that preached at the pulpit or when are you ever guided to read and study?
Point is I’m grateful to learn all this now. I’ll never go back to the new Mass.
I was little when they changed over. Only thing I remember is it was casual and no frankincense and thus you could smell bad breath and other unpleasant odors. But I liked being able to understand it. Nobody taught me Latin and I was too young to be able to read the prayer book. This is do fascinating. But I concern about other things due to the pope and 1 Corinthians 5:10-11.
I can clearly remember while in high school, that our priest said "Protestants will break our doors down to get in". The truth however was very different. The new mass caused a great many of our own people to break the doors down to get out. I was one of them. When I moved to southern Missouri, we had the Traditional Latin Mass available to us once a month on a Wednesday evening. Last November, that priest retired and the bishop did not replace him with anyone who could/would offer the Traditional Mass, so now I'm without a church to go to. I didn't leave the church...it left me, and I will not go back to the modernist mass that drove me away in the first place.
I've only converted 3 years ago but what you said has grown more and more obvious to me. My Protestant family treats the Catholic Church as an obvious pariah, they don't believe Catholics are "saved." I know another man who converted just before us who is now bringing his wife to Mass. She is not showing any signs of wanting to convert. I myself become more and more aware of how little belief there is among Catholics. Even my modernist priest admitted that everything has fallen apart since the NO. We did not enter the Church because it was Protestant, we entered for Catholicism! Instead we find timid, mealy mouthed teaching, Catholicism that's embarrassed of itself and cringy 70's music. But living in a rural area, we don't have reasonable alternatives...
Find a Latin Mass and go back. I found one an hour away and it it worth the drive. More and more people are driving the distance. Pray the Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, asking for guidance. Mother Mary will lead you home. 🙏💞🌻🦋
Ditto for me too, took 44 years for me to come back when I found a Latin mass with great community spirit
@@elainegoolsby9902Well said, indeed! Pray the Rosary, Our Mother Vurgen Mary Wilk help us get to Her Son.
@@elainegoolsby9902765If people want to be Catholic then we have to be CATHOLIC ALL THE WAY.
TRADITIONAL MASS IS OUR WAY. WHY CHANGE TO
PROTESTANT WAY.
This presentation is a first rate explanation done with clarity, examples and tremendous illumination. The SSPX is one of the most hopeful things in the darkness of modernity. As I listened to the Novus Ordo in this presentation it was horrifying and painful. I have forwarded this presentation to several friends and family members. Please continue to produce such excellent and useful videos.
I agree but I am so sick of hearing about novus ordo, they are now trying brain washing. Please stop talking about it, it must be insulting to God. I don't continuously want to hear what takes from my life. Let us have some peace in this life.
Where is the reply???
I was born in 1956, baptized Catholic and raised in a Catholic home. I remember going to the Old Mass and I remember it changing to the New Mass. By then mu family rarely attended. We had a number of problems that had we been practicing the Traditional Catholic Faith, I believe we may have overcome. Instead it turned us into luke-warm Catholics at best and barely Catholics at least. I feel we were robbed and I pray for all the souls who were led astray by the protestantation of the Mass Of All Time. May God have mercy on us all. And may He restore His One, Holy, Catholic and ApostolicChurch... SOON!!!!!
Your comment resonated with me similar to my experience. Born 1971 I never had the benefit of the true Mass, although I remember it was much closer in form while the older Monsignor was still active then in the early/ mid ’80’s new priests changed it considerably. It’s hard to imagine what they were thinking and what we were deprived of.
Born in ‘58 I don’t even remember going the old Mass. Same thing happened to my family. I was blessed to marry a traditional man and have kept the Faith. But I am the only one who rediscovered the Latin Mass at the lockdown. The SSPX nearby was open so I never missed a Sunday. I realized it wasn’t Catholic to lock us out of attending Mass.
@@kimberHD45 born in ‘58 I have same story.
@@kimberHD45 Yes. Its so sad what they took from us and are now trying to completely destroy. I wonder sometimes, if they hadn't done this, how many families and countries would have been saved and how many wars and other terrible things averted. Imagine what may have been regarding abortion, lgbtq, crime etc. It breaks my heart.
My grandpa stopped after it changed.
Everytime I am able to attend a Latin mass I wish he was there with me in the flesh.
God bless the SSPX! Keep up the excellent work! I’ve learned a lot with you guys
Stay strong SSPX I’m a 1974 convert and will never change.
God bless you for keeping the true faith available to Catholics & Christians!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Mee too I'm 1971 n took me half. a century to find out the true catholic faith. Here's the good news. This is from Arb Fulton Sheen
George Bernard Shaw once said" It is a pity that youth has been waisted on the young".
The contrary is true.
It is no secret at all that the good Lord knew that it was better to put the illusions of life at the beginning in order that as we grew closer to eternity, we might the better see the purpose of living. 😊🙏 God bless
@@JC-ou4jg another take on your remark may be that as you grow in traditional Catholicism you become more aware of the emptiness of the world with all its glitter.
Thanks for bringing this topic to the Center of discussion. Upon learning about the LM which is rather difficult to find in our Archdiocese, just starting to attend it and I find it connects my heart & mind to God more than what I’ve experienced with the NO.
Catholics are Christians, you Nit
Why should we Catholics be pleasing protestants? We should only be pleasing God,Jesus and Mary with the communion of Saints as Traditional Catholic Church. Makes me upset that I have always thought the NO Mass was the only one. Thank you for this information. God bless you both.
@Judy G... Spot on! "We should only be pleasing God." That line shows why Paul VI and most bishops then +now have followed a different God >by choosing to please men, NOT God.
For each of us, it makes for hard decisions... Eg. should we attend the New Mass if we know it won't endanger our Faith, yet still knowing that it directly does not honor and please God anywhere nearly as much as the Traditional Mass? (The merits of Jesus' Infinite Sacrifice are present but the entire text and focus is removed from It.)
@@chriskozik2573 I was so frustrated and didn’t know what to do. I discovered the Latin Mass at the lockdown. I knew it wasn’t Catholic to lock us out of our obligation. But no one came with me. Hard to believe so many people just go along to get along, it’s laziness plain and simple. I found it’s more difficult to be a real “Practicing” Catholic. But I’m certainly enjoying the effort. God’s mercy is great! I’m like a child again! Now I understand the meaning that we must be like a child. The Latin Mass never gets old, it’s what is going on in Heaven, in my belief. ♥️🙏🏼☦️
Modernism doesn’t allow for such a thing as one true Faith, and the men who produced it - and the one at the top who promulgated it - were modernists. One religion is as good as another according to them, so why not get rid of ours so we can all sing kumbuyah?
@@Mike-pf1ru Right
That's why we do in the Orthodox Church
I am a convert, I was Christened in the Church of England. I attended church it was almost word for word a translation of the Catholic Mass. I am 87, I am thankful that the SSPX will uphold the faith in the one true apostolic Church.
A most disturbing aspect of the ‘ Penitential Act’ in the Novus Ordo mass is confessing our sins to each other and at no point to ‘father’.
“ I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and sisters that I have greatly sinned...’ ‘ my brothers and sisters simply replace the word father..
this is jarring ….
I grew up a Catholic attending the Mass prior to the heartbreaking new order mass.
What catechism class did I miss that taught me to confess my sins to my Catholic neighbors? What Sacrament is that exactly? Its another clear example of the post Vatican-2 mass being horizontal in nature not vertical.
I agree. I have not long ago received a missal from the traditional latin Mass 1955 version. It should be I confess to Almighty God, to Blessed Mary ever Virgin, to Blessed Michael the Archangel, to Blessed John the Baptist, to the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and to all the Saints and to you Father, This is a beautiful Confiteor . The NO Mass as you have mentioned says brothers and sisters!!!! This is what I have found so wrong in the NO Mass.
James 5:16 and like the new frase goes, in the first place you are confessing to God, second place to your brothes and sisters AS THE BODY OF CHRIST. When the assembly is participating, it is participating as the body of Christ. The new mass is not a dialogue, it is the act of Christus Totus, head and body.
@@judyg.4255 🙏🏼
@@vivekapihl5179 *At NO TIME does confessing to "my brothers and sisters" have value BEFORE GOD THE FATHER in the Sacrifice of the Mass:* the Son IS offering to HIS FATHER in the person of the priest >in persona Christi.< It IS CHRIST'S action AS accomplished through the priest that obtains any grace and forgiveness for us. That is why a Mass offered >without a single lay person present-even without anyone present except the priest offering it has absolute and infinite and sole efficacy to bring God's grace to us-to apply it to the Church as a whole and to us individually.
The BL. Virgin has unique intercessory power in this Divine Mystery because she was chosen BY GOD to be THE channel of grace to bring her SON and His Redemption to the world. That's why, for eg., in the prayer of the Angel of Peace/Portugal at Fatima, the Angel concluded with the words:
By the Infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners.
>Directly by God's Will
That was absolutely wonderful of how you explained the differences between the Latin & NO mass.
So glad I came in as a convert to the SSPX 45 years ago & stayed with it! Thank you 🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏
You are a light in our ever darkening world. Your work is critically important, as Archbishop Lefebvre knew it would be. My sister and I live 2 1/2 hours from the closest SSPX church. We pray a chapel will come to our area soon 🙏🏼
We drive 2 hours (100 mi). Others at our SSPX church are driving farther. It’s a good distance, but so worth it. I agree with you, though, about praying for new SSPX chapels.
I am new to what you have showed us here! I was Baptized in 1943 the day after my Mom And I came home from the Hospital..
I was born on Easter Sunday!!I grew up In the Church and would walk out if I found myself in something like what you showed us here!
How did this get started??? Germany? They
Are Marring homosexuals St. Padre Pio pray for our Catholic Church!!!
I take a bus and a train to get to SSPX here in Toronto and takes me about 2 hours. Driving would take about half an hour...too bad I don't drive but consider my travel as a penance and it's worth traveling that far for me when I get to the SSPX chapel. Attendance in a high mass every Sunday is heavenly. Thanks be to God for SSPX. Thaks to Archbishop Marcel Lefevre and SSPX priests. 🙏🙏🙏
What a wonderful lecture!!! Greetings from Poland, Cracow, we attend the SSPX chapel there. Father Robinson had also fantastic interviews by dr Marshall. Laudetur Iesus Christus!!!
Thanks to the FSSPX my wife and I can attend to Traditional Latin Mass in Jakarta. We live in Bali, but we go to Jakarta as often as we can. We love the COMPLETE liturgy of the Mass
Based on the information from the Crises in the Church series, and this series covering the Sacraments, one can see how and why attending the Novus Ordo is a threat to one's belief and practice of the true Catholic Faith.
Wow this is eye opening ! I was 5 or 6 when the Mass changed. I have been a parishioner of a small SSPX chapel for the last 3 or 4 years. It is a pretty long drive and I have to get up at 4 AM on Sunday mornings but I can't think of a better reason to get up after 1or 2 hrs or no sleep then to get up to go to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Thanks be to God for the beautiful truth of the SSPX!!! This explains so much and it is horrifying to me. I am so thankful I found the SSPX.
Converted into a NO and finally found a TLM today where we moved
I can say for sure you are exactly right Father Robinson
One can tell that Farhan is sad that all this gas has happened within the one Most Holy and Apostolic Church
When I attended the NO years ago, I disliked the "kiss of peace" soooo much! I would act like I had a cold so I wouldn't have to participate. 😄
There’s some churches that do a five-ten minute peace be with you-where they start talking to each other in church
Excellent step by step breakdown of the deviations within the Novus Ordo. Thank you, Fr. Robinson, and Andrew for this episode. Thanks be to God for ++Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society for protecting and maintaining the True Mass.
Very fruitful to understanding the intentional differences between new and the traditional mass. 3 Hail Marys for Fr Robinson to whom we owe so much.
I am so grateful for this podcast! Finally, I have something to share with those who insist that we can attend both-- that it is simply a matter of spiritual preference. I now have been able to completely reject the new mass and totally give myself to the SSPX parish. I am now determined to relocate my life, so I am close to an SSPX parish where the traditional Mass is the norm.
The “preference” versus “principle” is probably the underlying difference between the FSSP and the SSPX.
I was absolutely stunned by this presentation . I can now see how the mass has been rearranged to suit protestants… now I understand how the new mass is destroying Catholics and why so many are against it. No wonder they’re leaving. It’s a protestant service. I am just so blessed that the traditional mass happens close enough for me to go every Sunday.
I grew up with the Latin mass and drifted away from the church for 47 years and when I came back, the mass was in English and I could understand everything so I enjoyed it tremendously, but I was instructed at my very first attendance that you do not receive communion on the tongue… I became very active in my church Bible studies, prayer groups, charismatic prayer groups I love praising God, but one day just by accident I stumbled into a Latin mass in another town. I was completely lost. But I had to keep going back, and I couldn’t really figure out why I just had to go back every Sunday ! I would do the NO at my parish and drive to the other town and make it to the Latin mass.… I realized the sole reason I was going back every Sunday was because I could kneel and receive on my tongue. I needed that reverence …. it has only been a couple months and I can now keep up with mass, and what I have noticed is that I have more reverence for simple things like sign of the cross, holy water… I think I am beginning to get my faith back! I guess I’m becoming less of a protestant? Lol?
Great video!!!! Sharing with my siblings and praying for them to wake up and return to the faith
I have been delighted to watch the construction of the wonderful new Immaculata church in Kansas - what a wonder and almost a miracle. To think, that SSPX started as a faithful adherence in the heart of one man, to the traditional mass. The new church - such a beautiful monument to faith, and destined to see thousands of baptisms, weddings and consecrations, thanks to Archbishop Lefebvre - who is surely a saint. 🙏❤️🙏
Look what they did to us. 60 years ago, any Church, any country same Holy Mass, same Holy language. No confusion, no division, no hate, no effeminacy, no loss of faith. Surely V2 fall is the dark sides meister werk. SSPX Special Forces. Last and final Legion. One that will Victor+ Holy Mother wrap these good men in thy mantle+Allow us to rise and vanquish this foe+
Now it's every language and culture clamoring for their own separate Masses in the NO.
Father, this is a very good explanation. I do attend the Ordinariate Mass and I can tell you the big difference in the rubrics and prayers to that of the Novus Ordo mass. I could definitely say that it is more in tune with the TLM. I was wondering if you could also explore the Ordinariate Mass from Anglicanorum Coetibus in comparison with the TLM and include them in the series.
Agreed! I really think the Ordinariate Mass is much better than the NO, I wish that they could touch on that topic.
The Ordinariate Nass led me to TLM. But it is really just NO done with correct rubrics. BUT I gave it up for Sundays when I realized it really is Cranmer's Mass that's been Romanized. People DIED in the 16th century rather than attend that liturgy!
Yes it seems like, while the Ordinariate is a constructed rite of Mass, which is a questionable idea in and of itself, it does not contain the serious problems that the Novus Ordo does. So what is the SSPX’s opinion on it?
@@jackhohne6163 please explain what the Ordinariate Mass is?
The Anglican Ordinate is another novelty. A long quote...
Pope Benedict XVI issued in November 2009 a document, Anglicanorum coetibus which creates a juridical ordinariate for Anglicans converting to the Catholic Church. This means that these Anglican parishes are turning Catholic as a whole, and these specific parishes are de facto constituting an ordinariate (centralized government equivalent in rank to a local diocese) as an integral part of the Catholic institution.
This situation has been propelled by the ultra liberalism of the official Anglican Church which opened the way to accepting women as priests and bishops, its blatant permissiveness of homosexuality, divorce and abortion, and the abandonment of the Book of Common Prayer (compiled by Cranmer in the 16th century).
This document is a follow-up on a 1980 Pastoral Provision which had already made approaches in the sense of facilitating their wholesale introduction into the Catholic Church. They were already allowed to preserve what Anglican traditions were compatible with the Catholic Church’s liturgy; they could use their former Anglican parish assets and structures; they were given in 1984 a new book of worship, a hybrid derived from the New Mass and the Book of Common Prayer...
Please note: "a new book of worship, a hybrid derived from the New Mass and the Book of Common Prayer.[compiled by the heretic Cranmer]"
sspx.org/en/news-events/news/shadows-behind-sunny-reconciliation-anglicans-613
Thank you, this is tremendously helpful. God bless you.
The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Thank you Father. Great presentation of the differences and the errors of the Novus Ordo vs the Tridentine missa. It is hard to believe how it was widely accepted, nevertheless after 50+ years, it is clear by it’s barren fruits that it was the work of the devil. So much blindness and pride is shown by its lack of reverence to the Eucharist. May the Lord have mercy and bring light to all who are spiritually blinded.
I am not Catholic, but I have attended many Masses. I am struck by how Protestant the Mass has become. Sometimes it's almost indiscernible from from a Protestant liturgy.
A pertinent distinction for me - If I go into a Latin mass stressed and negative, I come out after an hour calm and peaceful. If I go to NO mass, after 30 or 35 mins I come out even more stressed and angry....reason I think is the silence, the prayers and lengthy time of kneeling allows and helps me to adjust my focus internally on God and thereby release the stress to Him. At the same time, those around me are doing the same so energy is more supportive. Not so in the NO too much talking too much moving and the sign of peace very disruptive, I can do that outside, I am in church for God alone as my focus to offer up a sacrifice with His Son to the Father for my sins and those of the world, not have a memorial meal.
Big and important difference for my soul and spirit
Jolindo. Well said. I have nearly given up on the NO. I now attend only for social obligations.
I share your sentiments. I quit going to the NO over a decade ago bc I would leave the "mass" feeling worse than when I went in. Not the peace I used to have after the traditional mass. I pray every day for a traditional mass near enough to me so that I can return.
Prayers at the foot of the altar very important too, to call in God into our sacrrfice and acknowlege our desire to have Him save us and to protect us from evil. Sets a tone of humility.
The protestant version of the Lord's Prayer that Cranmer and later Bugnini put into their versions of the "Mass" is actually supposedly taken from the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. This may be true on the part of Cranmer, because he had a fascination of the east, but it is likely that Bugnini just took the protestant form given his attitude toward the liturgy.
Thank God I never return to the NO, since 2018.
What on earth? It’s gravely insufficient indeed. Thank you Father Paul. What are we to do? We need more SSPX chapel around the world. Please forgive me my Lord God.
I’m 70, and I had only about 10years with the traditional Latin Mass. My first Holy Communion was extraordinary and I remember the weeks of preparation and study.
And yes, by the time I was 12 all had changed so much it was unrecognizable and we all showed up to a nighttime Mass to honor the Bishop it seamed to me. I continued at university to go to the Chapel on Campus. Then, as I graduated and moved from My native state all masses nationwide were disarming to me as I traveled. When I went to Europe and became more comfortable again with the ancient Catholic Churches there that were not all NO as yet even into the 1980’s. Several times I returned home and was so aware of a void and I slowly stopped going to Mass. my leaving even the NO Mass left me hollow and wanting. I did in fact look to other religions searching for what I’d had as a child. It all tarnished by understanding, reading the Bible for me became a chore because I could not find what I needed.
To end a long speech…
I’m so glad I found EWTN in 2015 when I was severely ill in the local Catholic Hospital for 10 weeks with pneumonia and continued with IV infusions for another 10 weeks at home.
I found so much strength through the Divine Mercy prayers and Chaplet to renew my faith, reading so much from books and videos from Fatima and lately to UTUBE for instruction, prayer are all instrumental to my immersion back in to the Traditional Catholic Church today.
Even just today I was guided to finally find a Chapel near my old neighborhood to return to the Traditional Catholic Mass.
Alleluia, praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ for his steadfast love to provide!
AMEN.
Fr. Paul and Andrew I have been watching your podcasts you have done an amazing job I have learnt alot also shared with my Novus friends may God bless you abudantly. Nairobi, Kenya.
Fr Robinson you are a real blessing thank you
I recently attended a Byzantine Liturgy and the Priest concluded the Our Father with the “For Thine is the Kingdom” Prayer. I remember this from my childhood attending the Byzantine Rite too. The priest says the prayer not the laity.
How can the Priest believe in the real presence if he is allowing Communion on the hands, standing to receive, Eucharistic ministers, girl alter servers, etc 😭 How is this new Mass valid??
Being valid merely means a bare minimum standard was met. Harmful things can still be going on, and a valid consecration of the Eucharist makes what typically happens at a Novus Ordo Mass even worse.
Excellent presentation and explanation... I may have missed it in one of the Crisis series podcasts, but I cannot seem to locate a straight forward answer as to whether or not there is salvation in the Norvus Ordo mass. I understand that this can be an ambiguous question; however, an example being, a devout Norvus Ordo Catholic, who truly believes that what they have been attending, and participating in, for the past 50 years is actually the true church. Unfortunately, part of the participation factor includes taking part in one of the most sacrilegious parts of that mass, which is being a eucharistic minister. I am sure that this topic alone can be an entire podcast in itself.
Thank you Andrew and Father Robinson 🙏🏼
I was once an extraordinary Eucharistic minister. I was honored to give Jesus to my brothers and sisters. I would talk to Jesus while giving HIS BODY, or HIS BLOOD. Sometimes I would get teary eyed at what I was doing. During the despicable lockdown I read a comment of Jesus to a mystic that HE did not like being touched by unconsecrated hands. So I stopped. I receive Jesus only from a priest, on the tongue, while kneeling and adoring.
@@patriciagrenier9082 :
Good for you!
@@patriciagrenier9082 Same here. I was raised early on in the TLM but left the Church as a teen, not coming back until years later. My husband and I were both brought up in early 60’s when TLM was still the norm. So, when we decided to start attending church again after many years, something really felt “off” to us. (Now I look back it’s like duh!!). We just shrugged and said well, I guess this is the church now. We even became EMs. Didn’t seem right, though. Then, I started looking into the TLM. It was a distant memory for me. I attended a daily Mass there and to my surprise I started to tear up. The more I looked into it, the more we said we have to stop being EMs!! And leave the NO!! Then Covid hit. We haven’t attended Mass since. Heading for the SSPX as soon as possible. God please get us there. 🙏
I just want to point out that in the parish church where I was catechized before my Baptism in 2021, the pastor did mention several saints by name. Whether it happened every Mass I can't recall with certainty, but I think so.
Thank you for all these podcasts
I grew up with the N O mass but I am now a full blown traditionalist and support the SSPX
These podcasts really really help!
In the Byzantine Rite it is common for the Lay people to read the old or new testament readings, but the gospel is still read by the priest.
That is true but in the Byzantine rite it's always been proclaimed to the people.
In the Latin rite the readings are offered back to God as an oblation of thanksgiving. That's why they're read facing the Altar and read from the Altar.
Please, don't come for me, but I always felt blessed that we have a group of very faithful and orthodox priests in my non-TLM parish, but after watching this I wanted to weep with joy. I scarcely recognized the mass you described, and I am grateful for it. Wow! I begin to think that our priests are closet traditionalists, truly, there were only two or three thing I recognized. Thankfully, the nonsense you describe surrounding the transubstantiation is one of them, though in the vernacular, they use the language you ascribe to the TLM. We do have female lectors, but it is not an official title. I used to just feel thankful that the priests spoke the truth about topics that most would consider controversial and I never had to fear opening the bulletin to find an announcement for a "pride mass" or a speaker coming to talk about being "Catholic and pro-choice", now I have a whole host of other reasons to be thankful. I am also glad that we have the parish and priests that we do because the closest TLM parish is about 2½ hours away and I don't drive. Honestly, and maybe this says more about me than them, I know me, I would find it near to impossible to stay encouraged to deepen my faith and to increase my knowledge of God and the Catholic faith in a church such as you described. In addition, I know that we can't know what is in a person's heart, but I didn't find the priest (bishop?) you featured very inspiring. We have 3 priests on staff, the pastor is a very holy, contemplative, intelligent and insightful man. The parochial vicar has a childlike joy and love for our Blessed Lord. Our newest was just ordained and has such a sweet spirit about. He heard my most recent confession and, even though he looks about 16, he imparted some much needed wisdom and people would do themselves a great disservice by writing him off just because he is young. Anyway... ramble over. Thank you for the video, it was enlightening, though I can't say I am in complete agreement with everything, more knowledge is always better because who knows how God might be able to use it/me in the future. God bless and I really do pray for the TLM community and the flaming red (as in flames of hell) 🎯 you all have painted on you made even worse by virtue of the fact that the one who is supposed to protect you painted it himself. However, I can easily see a day coming when parishes like mine, the very things that make me feel blessed, with become a target, too. A parish that strongly encourages communion on the tongue for everyone and kneeling for those who are able would like be considered an enemy of Rome on just those grounds alone. God help us all!
"Only say the Word and my soul shall be healed. "
I grew up with the Latin Mass and always liked it. In fact, I used to say that if I had been in a coma for 20 years, then woke and went to the new mass, having not seen the new mass before that, I would have said, where is the Catholic church because that isn't it.
Father, you look so sad in this exposé. Thank you for highlighting the many issues in the new Mass.
I believe that it was God's providence that the SSPX was formed to preserve the authentic worship of the Lord in the traditional Sacrifice of the Mass. Praise the Lord!🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for taking the time to go through the NO step by step. Now I understand why Father has told us not to attend this.
Thank you for presenting this series of educational videos of our faith and traditions. Our Catholic Church is so rich in traditions and devotions, we may feel overwhelmed sometimes but I love it. We need to be well formed and informed. I’d love to hear more about his most reverence Bishop Lefebvre, his missions, his works and heroism defending our faith. Any book you recommend? 🙏🙏🙏
I have just discovered your series. Thank you for this so much needed in this time. My feet are planted in these words, "NO EVIL WILL PREVAIL AGAINST MY CHURCH" and so I hold on to that. For the 1st time I'm watching episode 9. THANK YOU and I pray for you and all the priests in the trenches, fighting this abomination.
As for myself, I had to leave my Parish out of desperation. After having attended Mass I'd leave empty, disappointed. Isn't the intention of attending Mass to fill one's soul? I thought it was.
So I made the decision to attend a Bizantine Rite of the Catholic Church.
The 1st time I attended their Mass after I had made the decision to be a permanent parishioner, I prayed these words to Jesus, because the Mass was 1/2 in their original language, different from mine, and 1/2 in English. Because 95% of the Mass is sung, it's difficult to understand the words; MY JESUS, YOU KNOW I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING THAT IS BEING SAID, BUT I KNOW THE HOLY TRINITY IS BEING PRAISED ADORED AND GLORIFIRD IN THE WAY YOU SHOULD AND DESERVE, THATS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. THE MASS IS ABOUT YOU NOT ABOUT ME"
Since that day, I have attended many Masses and I'm getting the hang of it...and I absolutely love it. When I leave (it's 1/2 hrs drive from my home) my hart smiles all the way home.
The Bishop and the Pastor of my New Church have been called by the pope to go to Rome for 3 weeks. My great concern is that he is trying to corrupt the beauty of worshipping in this church as well. Most ladies wear a veil during Mass. The Parish is not under the control of the Roman Bishop. They answer to their own Bishop....but it's still under the tutelage of the Pope. I ask for your prayers that my new Bishop and pastor prevail over Bergoglio's pressure and insistence.
I just discovered this site and I am looking forward to catching up and learning more about my faith.
I thank Almighty God every day for being raised in the true Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic faith in the 1950s in a devout RC family. To have lived those times is such a blessing. If anyone would have said to me that V2 is going to happen and we will have a new Mass rife with Liturgical abuses, Communion in the hand etc to name just one of the many abuses. I would have laughed in disbelief at something that would have sounded so utterly absurd.
And so it did come to pass.
I was 21 years old when the New Mass and new religion took place. I never attended Mass again for many years; no way could I offend Our Blessed Lord by accepting and attending such a mockery of the faith founded by Jesus Christ.
I thank Almighty God for Abp Marcel Lefebvre, a great man of God who saved the Holy Mass and the faith.
Deo gratias.❤
Father! I didn't really understand the full implications of the New Mass, whilst at the same time feeling uncomfortable. I'm 70 years old and as at school during the second vatican council. It seemed like everything we believed was thrown away and we were taught that we had been set free. I'm so grateful to you for this series of videos. I've never felt like I belonged since then.
This may be an improper place to ask this question, hopefully though someone can help me out so here goes! I received my 1962 missal the other day (I love it!) I was wondering though if there was a smaller version of the traditional missal that was just the proper's (of seasons and saints) and the ordinary of the mass. I basically am looking for a more pocket sized missal, that could be used at any Latin mass.
Okay they do sell a pocket missal at Angelus Press.
Angelus Press sells pocket missals. I keep one in my purse. I would check their website.
There used to be, until novus ordo was shoved in.
“Blessed be God” is a wonderful Latin Mass prayer book. Easy to buy, leather bound
There is no Scripture that says or even suggests that GRACE is dispensed via Sacramental participation
If there is no grace given through participation in the sacraments, then what was God's purpose for establishing them?
For years and years I never went to the church. There are so many catholic churches around me. But none of them offer the Latin mass.
Thank you so much for this teaching. It is so enlightening and good to hear. We all knew in our Heart something was not right. So thank you thank you thank you. God Bless you both.
Thank you for this comprehensive comparison between novas ordo and the masses I both watch livestream and attend when possible, over an hour away. I am so very grateful 🙏 for the SSPX for educating us...we must pray to keep our most reverent tradition intact.
Thank you Father. may I add please that my brothers and sisters wake up to what is going on around them. When I saw the disrespect to our Lord and he is hurting. so sad I was breaking his Scared Heart. He does not like communion in the hand. H knows prayers have been changed. I had to make my choice to stand with Him and how he wants me to behave in His Church, so I left the church in my parish and found a church that is still with the rails to kneel for communion and still said in Latin , still with incense. Tears flowed down my cheeks non stop with the joy that was in my heart that I felt his presence in the church with my Guardian Angel and all the saints and Saints. Go and see for yourselves there IS a difference in what you will find. We must pray for our Church and pray for our priests, in the name of Jesus. Amen.
question can the traditional Mass with all the rubrics be said in the vernacular? i have never seen it done.
No, according to the rubrics, the traditional Mass must be said all in Latin. Liturgical experiments introducing vernacular were permitted by Pius XII in the 1950s, but they were never made universal law.
No. It would diminish the beauty and awe of the Traditional Mass, just as it has in the Novus Ordo.
I wish the TLM could be said in Latin and Vernacular in mission areas and do away with novus Ordo
Listened ti it on spotify. Amazing. Thank you very much
Thank you Father the NO is like a race horse racing to the finish line, no time to deeply pray the mass. I find the prayers very superficial and I come out felling angry. If the traditional mass gets totally shut down then I will be saying the mass with Jesus as my priest
Wow the scriptural context for "work of human hands", the similarity to the prayer of the pharisee, and the use of a passover prayer from after the destruction of the temple: scary. I could make a joke and use the phrase "that's not kosher", but at the very least Cardinal Bugnini's got some 'splainin' to do.
Thank you for this information, always attended the new mass. planning to attend a traditional Latin mass. God bless you.
Since Catholics should follow the example set by Jesus; when Jesus and his apostles went to the Temple in Jerusalem to worship: Jesus and the Apostles would face the Holy of the Holies. Hence their backs were facing the groups of people at the Temple.
Thank you all for bringing this situation to light.
The young in the majority know nothing off the precsenc of the holy spirit
May God Bless all involved in this pod cast 🙏
I really hated the sign of peace in the NO. At the most solemn part of the mass they start socializing.
God bless inmensely SSPX your faithful love to God, thank you for your teachings that break my heart in tears...
How to explain to catholic in novus ordo and protestants the blood of Jesus from altar can drink only the priest 🙏🏻❤️my friend he started to understand now the Eucharist but he do no understand why we can’t drinking the wine blood of Jesus Christ
What do you advise Father for new mass attendees that do live the sacrifice of our Jesus Christ with such adoration and reverence even though it is very incomplete and disrespected, what are our options if we have no Traditional mass near by. Do we keep attending the new mass or don't go to mass at all?
Please see this episode: ua-cam.com/video/sZpbnoyd1zg/v-deo.html
I would suggest that you try to make an occasional long drive to a traditional Mass, if possible, and make use of the livestreamed traditional Masses.
Fr i left the novus order mass because we are not allowed to kneel down and the lack of reverence in our churches
The first time I decided that I was going to kneel to receive Jesus on the tongue, I intended to do a Spiritual Communion kneeling before my GOD. I was pleasantly surprised: the priest gave me Jesus on my tongue. I had asked Our Blessed MOTHER to give me Her SON through the priests hands. I think She did and still does. I thank Her and adore my GOD!!! I am reverent, I look at the Tabernacle until the Consecration. I ask the Holy Spirit to guard my eyes. I adore my GOD 🙏❤️🙏
At various points there are things that are also Eastern Catholic in origin, not (just) Protestant. The Byzantines have a prayer of the faithful, and multiple Eastern rites use “We” for the creed (which is the language of Nicaea).
Thank you for this educational series, it has taught me so much. Is there a plan to have a video that explains, step by step, prayer by prayer, the Holy Mass and how to learn it and follow along for new attendees? Thank you!
kimberHD45 look on UA-cam for the FSSP training videos, a three part series on the Traditional Latin Mass.
30:17 Novus Ordo acts like they have most of the Bible, but they put the harder scripture for daily mass and the easy ones for Sunday
This is very on point but to be fair to your statement at 39:40 , the word 'victim' or 'hostiam' is in the NO at the offering/oblation after the Mysterium Fidei, but no it's not in the Offertory.
In some languages it is not mentioned at all. In others it is mentioned sparingly and sometimes not, depending on the missal.
I’m so glad that comments were not shut off on this video because the comments are really helpful
But the NO does include the word “victim” multiple times, just as in the old mass: “This pure victim, this holy victim, this spotless victim...” These English words are from the new mass. Did the original 1970 missal not include this? Was it part of Pope Benedict XVI’s 2011 edition? Even so, Fr. Robinson is speaking on outdated information. I’d find it more compelling if you were to speak about the Novus Ordo as it stands today, after some of these “counter-reforms” have happened to it.
I love this series overall though. Very informative.
I agree there are multiple things that are not the way he states it. The first one that stood out is that we do say "and with your spirit" now and have for some time.
@@Mrs_Homemaker I've also attended NO masses where the word "oblation" is used during the consecration.
Fr. Here did say he was using a 1972 missal but yeah, the translation has been improved from that txt that came out from the 70’s. I remember the pushback from priests when the corrected translation came out.
But don't these 'mistakes' not say a lot about the predisposition of its creators and the people who promulgated it for almost 50 years after its conception?
To translate something as obvious as 'Et cum spiritu tuo' to 'And also be with you' isn't a mistranslation, but it's straight from the protestant response to the same salutation (just look up a Lutheran service).
Sooo yeah man, I'm a NO Catholic for context.
We said at the beginning of the episode that that was what we were going to do, in order to show the original inspiration and spirit of the Novus Ordo. Changes that have been made since then have been in the right direction, but they are superficial changes to a rite that was purposely designed to please Protestants by hiding essential elements of the Mass, such as its propitiatory nature, its identity as a sacrifice, the truth of the Real Presence, the unworthiness of the priest and those assisting, the unique role of the priest as the one offering the sacrifice, and so on. No matter what superficial changes are made to the Novus Ordo Mass, it will still be a Mass that was crafted with the ecumenical goal in mind. That is less clear now but it is no less true and real. Looking at the original Mass and translation makes it much clearer. We do not want people to look at the Novus Ordo Mass as it exists today and not realize its grave danger to the faith because of some superficial changes that have been made to it.
- Fr. Robinson
The only “complaint” or comment would be the
criticism of the NO Priest not immediately genuflecting after raising the host and chalice. I’m the EF the Priest does that after the bells are rung 3 times. It’s not immediate.
Just a couple notes from a regular NO attendee:
-There is an option to use the language of the TLM confiteor (with all the saints)
-Ive only once heard a prayers of the people with "popcorn prayer" from the congregation and it was from a priest of the formed during VII, and only during weekday Mass. It made me very uncomfortable. Same parish holds hands at the Our Father...Anyway, this is not common practice in 2022.
-Our parish announces it as the "Offertory" every time. Some parishes do call it the "preparation of the gifts". Really depends on the priest.
-Ive never heard the " Pharisee" type prayer he mentions. I don't even think that's an option or I would have heard it by this point with traveling and what not.
-Newer, young priests of the NO are far more traditional in their picking of the options than I think you would give them credit for. As a rule, the younger they are the closer to a "unicorn" NO Mass you get. The boomer masses are dying out, literally and figuratively.
-Ive never seen a priest in the NO skip purification of the vessels after communion. We all kneel while he does it until all vessels are cleaned and the tabernacle is closed. And each linen is folded carefully to contain any particles. I've also never seen baskets or earthenware vessels. These are outdated and uncommon examples.
In short, even the video Mass shown contradicted the old version of the NO I think Father was using, with all respect.
I also have a question as to the time needed for the NO vs TLM. How is it that older ppl remember priests saying Low Mass in well under 30min? I can't imagine how they did that but apparently it was an issue. Unless they were speed speaking the Latin or something. I agree the NO is super short and doesn't leave any time for contemplation.
I love this series, and the others you have done. But there were just some glaring things here that don't line up with common experience for Catholics today.
There’s no homily to give, at least that’s been my experience in a weekday TLM Mass
At the NO mass I previously attended, the bowls used for the Hosts were stacked up on a side table and not cleaned by the priest at all. Some “Eucharistic ministers” brought the vessels to the sacristy after mass. Usually while talking, never genuflecting in front of the altar or towards the Tabernacle in the side chapel. The priest scooped out the Hosts into the various bowls so that multiple EMs could distribute Communion. Multiple chalices. No reverence in cleaning the vessels. And this was a reverent so-called mass. The lack of reverence, talking, irreverent receiving of Eucharist all drove me to the TLM.
The Protestant Cranmer’s service is almost identical to the NO mass. The choice for me was to either go to the TLM or become Protestant. TLM all the way.
I feel like that's the fundamental problem with all of this. Option.
Veiling was introduced as an option.
Versus populum was introduced as an option.
Communion in the hand was introduced as an exception even.
Altar girls.
Communion rails.
Substitution of Gregorian chant.
But none of these are exceptions now. They're the norm.
Another point in case would be the options in the Eucharistic prayer. Sure you can use the best, but it's equally fine to use the worst option, even though what they're saying are completely different things?
Point is, if the highest form of liturgical worship and the crown jewel of the Church can be celebrated reverently AND sacrelegiously and BOTH be considered equally licit, then there's something obviously wrong with the ideas of how the mass has come to be defined.
And also, if these things like earthenware, bad translations, wrong definitions of the mass in the GIRM, were accepted before they faced severe backlash, then doesn't it speak to the predispositions of the creators and promulgators of the NO? If they're tolerating it, it's probably because they think such irreverence is alright and permissible.
When it's clearly not.
What do you think?
@@stevefredrick6113 I won't argue with you on any of those points. If we had the option for a weekly TLM that is where we would be. I just think if they want to make a strong case here, using the typical current examples would be more relevant and less able to be picked apart by those who actually need convincing (ie, those who already attend the sspx aren't going to be the ones who need to hear this).
Hi, you have to realize that the Catholic church is in hundred of countries, and when you have a liturgy that allows you to choose what to do that's what you get all sorts of different abuses depending on the place or priest
A bit unfair to those NO priests who do include a long litany of early saints ( even unto Felicity Perpetua Agnes Cecilia Anastasia) every time they say Canon 1. Just heard it this AM in the Memorial of the Passion of John the Baptist. I always wondered how they know when to cut off the list of names!
Yeah I thought so. The English translation of the Roman Canon that they refer to was only around until 2011, when Pope Benedict XVI mandated changes to it. he did this so that it would be more Latin translation.
My family does not go to church anymore except my husband. How can we show more reverence Mass especially since my husband is very hard of hearing and doesn't pay attention. I go every day and your discussion shows me insight o was not aware of. We can't go to a Traditional Mass because he has difficulty walking and is on a lot of pain pain. Thanks
St. Alphonsus said, "Peace to men of good will," means, " peace to those who do God's will." As the scripture says, "There is no peace to the wicked."
I have tried very hard to adapt to the New mass and I just can't. I feel like I'm in the wrong place doing the wrong thing at my church. I had a long talk with my priest about these things and told him "To me, Mass feels like the Cliff notes of what I grew up with.". I just can't do this.
Then you already know what to do.
When Jesus instituted this Holy Sacrament HE faced HIS disciples. The priest, Altus Christus, faces Jesus’s disciples. We as Children of GOD are all brothers and sisters, past, present and future. Yes, I attend the N O Mass. When I returned to The FAITH, it was the only Mass in town. Blessed MOTHER brought me back to The Church with the understanding that this was The Sacrifice of Her SON, WHO was Honoring The Father for us, for our sins. I also had the gift of tears many times as I envisioned Jesus’s Crucifixion before me. I was lead to read a booklet “The Holy Mass”. It contains words of Our Blessed Mother to Catalina Rivas, it was enlightening. I vaguely recall The Latin Mass when I was a teenager. The words were more eloquent than the NO Mass. I participate with the spirit of The Latin Mass. With tears I receive my Savior on the tongue, kneeling. I am sorry that the hierarchy kowtowed to the Protestants and now also to the government, i.e. the lockdown. Jesus is GOD and a Jew. HE came to save us from ourselves, from sin. HE said HE came not to change HIS Teachings but that we would have greater abundance, which I believe is HIM, GOD. I wish more people understood what was happening in The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I understand what the SSPX is saying. 🙏 MAY THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST COVER US, save us ( from The Chaplet of The PRECIOUS BLOOD of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, which is on UA-cam!) 🙏🩸🙏
I am sorry but your argument does not make much sense. If we follow it to its logical conclusion, absurd things follow. Examples: only men were at the Last Supper when the Blessed Sacrament was instituted, therefore only men can attend Mass. The apostles were bishops at the Last Supper, therefore only bishops can attend Mass. The Last Supper was in the evening, so Mass can only be said in the evening. The Last Supper was on Thursday, so Mass can only be said on Thursday. Only men named Simon, Peter, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, and Judas were at the Last Supper, therefore only men with those names may attend Mass. The Last Supper was in the Cenacle in Jerusalem, therefore every Mass must be said in that place. Only Jews were at the Last Supper, therefore only Jews can attend Mass. No hymns were sung at the Last Supper, therefore no hymns can be sung at Mass. No organs or instruments were used at the Last Supper, therefore no organs or instruments can be used at Mass. Only Aramaic or Hebrew was used at the Last Supper, therefore only Aramaic and Hebrew can be used during Mass. No suits or jeans or polo shirts or modern shoes were worn at the Last Supper, therefore no one can wear these things to Mass. No one had a hot shower before the Last Supper, therefore no one can have a shower before Mass. Our Lord and the apostles walked to the Cenacle for the Last Supper, therefore, everyone must walk to Mass without using a car or modern transport. All of this is obviously absurd, therefore your argument is false.
Pius XII condemned this line of thinking in his encyclical Mediator Dei as the error of antiquarianism. The rite as it has been handed down since apostolic times is that the priest faces God in the tabernacle, not the faithful. Pius XII teaches in that Encyclical, "The liturgy of the early ages is most certainly worthy of all veneration. But ancient usage must not be esteemed more suitable and proper, either in its own right or in its significance for later times and new situations, on the simple ground that it carries the savour and aroma of antiquity. The more recent [pre-Vatican II] liturgical rites likewise deserve reverence and respect. They, too, owe their inspiration to the Holy Spirit, who assists the Church in every age even to the consummation of the world. They are equally the resources used by the majestic Spouse of Jesus Christ to promote and procure the sanctity of man."
@@Tannhauser45Well said. One small change. The Gospels say that Jesus and the Apostles sung after dinner before departing for Gethsemane.
The faithful never asked for the Mass to be changed. Will we ever get back our Traditional Mass and do away with the Novus Ordo?
The reason everyone was fooled is that the elevation and the bells were kept so as to create the illusion that 'something' must have happened.
Very informative. Except one thing -- as a former Protestant, I know of no Protestant who doesn't recognize the Trinity. I think I know who removing reference to the Trinity was intended to please.
Lori CH. Welcome to the family! There are a multitude of Protestant sects, each with their own (conflicted) belief. For example, the "Unitarians" and "Mormons" do not have a Trinitarian belief. Certain that there are others, but I don't keep up with them.
History is showing that our strength is in our difference in the TLM arena with protestant converts at our church which is rapidy growing and is very strong actively in community support led by the priests in the traditional format. It has a very different feel about it to a NO community. Sadly we are under threat and we need a bigger church...makes no sense.
If God is love (1 Jn 4:8), and if the essence of love is to give (to love means to give), then love can be given and received but never taken. The Blessed Sacrament can, therefore, only be given by the priest and received by the communicant. If the communicant takes the Sacred Host and feeds himself then he is dramatically subverting the giving of Our Lord of Himself to a soul, and taking something to himself which, in fact, can only be given by Our Lord. If the communicant takes the Host then it is no longer a gift from Christ but, as it were, stolen property.
I wish we would go back to the Traditional Catholic Mass.
Even in this video you don't mention the absence of the Veni Sanctificator.
I received First Communion in 1962 and learned all the catechism about the Mass of the Catechumens and the Mass of the Faithful in grammar school. This is a wonderful refresher of everything I used to understand the Mass to be before 1969. Thank you for this insightful series. Novus Ordo is just trying to sell cars. (Shia Leboeuf)
Thanks so much great work
EO here. These videos are well-done, and I’ve learned a lot from them. I do find myself confused on a couple points. The EO liturgy retains the two-reading, 1-year cycle from antiquity (though it’s known that there was once an OT lectionary before the gradual). But there is a symmetry in the liturgy that purposefully equates Christ in the Gospel with Him in the Holy Mysteries. There is no reduction of the “real presence” in the sacrament but there is an equation of dignity. (Btw, the ancient “Oriental” liturgies have up to 4-5 readings, again with no sense of reduction of the sacramental dignity of the Offering Itself.) Also, the ancient minor orders are retained, but when unavailable in a parish, lay persons reading the epistle is not experienced as a modernization or lessening of the priestly dignity since that is not his office anyway. In fact, the opposite is implied. I’m curious why the traditional Roman rite sees the Real Presence as threatened by Scripture reading and the priestly office threatened by lay readers. Maybe a peculiarity of the Roman Rite? Actual questions here, not arguments.
I might be incorrect but I know at every TLM I've attended the priest has read every reading. I'm not sure if when we had minor orders that those other positions read parts of scripture? But if not, perhaps that is why it seems "off" in the Roman rite for the laity to read scripture.
@@Mrs_Homemaker so, as I offered, perhaps a “peculiarity” or style of the Roman Rite? In the Byzantine EO liturgy, there is no missal with everything in one volume. Also, there are prayers to read & an incensation to accomplish. I suspect in missions or chaplaincies even the most traditional of priests would secure a layperson to read the epistle. Just observations.
The traditional Roman rite 1-year lectionary has been handed down from St. Jerome. More Scriptural readings are not in themselves bad, but taken in context of the Vatican II "reforms" they cannot be accepted. The "reform" occurred because they imply that the traditional lectionary is deficient. Further, they were hypocrites: they wanted to "have more Scripture" but in reality they deleted readings and psalms which they didn't like. Examples: they changed the words of Consecration to make them less in conformity to Scripture. They removed Psalm XLII, the Lavabo (Psalm XXV) and the Last Gospel (John I.1-14) from every Mass. In 1955, they removed the Last Supper from the St. Matthew's Passion reading on Palm Sunday and they removed 8/12 OT prophecies on Holy Saturday. They removed, in XXII places, gospel texts which reference the Last Judgement and the punishments for sin. They removed the imprecatory psalms from the Divine Office.
The Novus Ordo distinction of Liturgy of the Word/Eucharist comes directly from Luther's "divine service". The Novus Ordo response to the gospel reading is "P: Verbum Domini R: Deo gratias" which is again lifted word-for-word from the Lutheran "divine service". So, in context, this implies Lutheran theology and that Holy Writ, the word of God, divine revelation, is on par with the Blessed Sacrament, which is the Word of God the second Person of the Holy Trinity, body, blood soul and divinity. Hence the Novus Ordo cannot be accepted because it borrows from heretical and blasphemous liturgies which are abominations to God.
Also, lay readers have nothing to do with an unavailability of ordained lectors. The minor orders were abolished by Paul VI explicitly to make way for lay lectors. There was no shortage. It was an egalitarian ploy to diminish the Sacred Priesthood and put laymen on par with clergy.
29:39 If you don’t arrive by the Gospel, you can’t say you are on time, in the New Mass.
You didnt finish. I think it's by the Offertory. But don't quote me. I usually make it before opening hymn is finished (:
Thank you SSPX for these amazing insights into mass. I love the reverence of the TLM but sometimes wish it had the language accessibility of NO. Would there ever be a TM offered in local language?
I am watching from Australia. Viva Christ the King
I'm watching this for a second time and comparing what you say about the Mass prayers to what I find in the Regina Caeli app on my phone. I use this app to follow the NO Mass. The Gloria says: "on earth, peace to people of good will", and "you take away the sins of the world". It seems someone has already restored some of the old language.
Fr. Robinson, listening for the 2nd time. Still missing having you as our priest! You, and all our priests are in our daily Rosary. 🙏🙏🙏