Crisis Series #26: "Really, Father?" Fr. Franks Answers Questions & Objections
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- A slightly different episode for you this week, as we’re not tackling a new topic, but getting some questions answered that some of our listeners and viewers asked about the recent set of episodes on the Novus Ordo Mass. Father Franks joined us to go a little deeper on questions of validity of the New Mass, why this rite is different than other rites the Church has had in the past, and bluntly, how does the Society of Saint Pius X have any authority in these matters?
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I attend an FSSP parish and I just want to say thank you to you and all the SSPX priest, in these videos and all others for everything they do. Ignore the negative comments from everyone and keep doing what you are doing.
I do attend an FSSP Parish, cause the SSPX closer parish, is about an hour away from where I live... sometimes I think I should move closer... let go n let God...
Haha we go to church together
Semper fidelis
Too bad the SSPX thinks that you shouldn't attend FSSP because they are "compromised" for being in union with Rome
Deo gratias father. Greetings from Catholic Poland. 🇵🇱😊
Pozdrawiam i ja :)
Hi, Andrew and Father Franks! I'm holding my Brown Scapular which you kindly blessed for me in around 2019 here in SSPX Manchester, UK. May God continue to bless you, Father Paul Isaac Franks.
Mrs Darley
SSPX Manch, UK
On local walks in Yorkshire, we often bump into our friends from the local Protestant church we started in in 2009. It's such a joyful moment to tell them our journey to the SSPX from the Church of England. It was to our advantage that our local town has not had a Catholic Mass since the Chapel of Ease was changed to Church of England by Henry Vlll. This kept us clear from the New Mass and took us logically straight to the SSPX in 2018.
God bless you Father Franks SSPX from Cape Town South Africa
I traveled to mexico. Could not find a latin mass. Went to the local new mass church. Priest played the guitar during the mass and walking through the main aisle. God help us to see that through reason the Lord is trying to point to the true mass. No coincidence that the own bishop took away the obligation to go to the new mass and people that desired to still receive our Lord went to find Him at a Latin Mass. I am thankful now it makes sense in my heart that I just should have prayed the rosary and the readings rather then expose my soul to a Samaritian type worship. A religion should give due justice to God, the new rite aims towards human respect and dumbs down the path to grow a fear of God out of Love. A true respect and fervor for the supernatural faith. Praise God and Our Lady of Fatima.
Thankfully the one NO I went to in Mexico (was before my confirmation) wasnt that bad. No terrible hymns/instruments, straight forward liturgy (at least I think, I don't know a ton of Spanish) and a lot of people actually didn't come up for communion hopefully signifying that they did not want to receive not properly disposed. They even looked at me funny when I went up for a blessing (I don't think I had attended my first TLM at this point).
This excellent series should be required viewing for those who desire, not only a deeper and clearer understanding of how and why the present crises of the Church came to be, but of why the SSPX exists and for its necessity. The state of emergency has only grown more acute as time places more distance from the end of the Council. Time has done more, in fact to bring greater focus and scrutiny to the SSPX. And time will hatch its truth.
If everyone quit going to the Novus Ordo....it would disapear. That is the reason not to go. And do not tithe to them either. We are the Church!
All of us are the Church although you may not like that
@robert warner It happened during covid 🤷♂️ it can happen again
Thank you Father Franks and Andrew. Clarity is in short supply in these days. Especially with the latest news from Rome. God Bless both of you. Fyi, Father Franks reminds me of Michael Davies.
thank you. thank you for these videos. God bless the SSPX!
LOL "I don't want to be blasted all over the Internet" - there is humility for you - thank you Fr. Franks - good talk! I won't set foot in any Novus disorder again and FSSP is kind of the shelf for me for now - I prefer SSPX. :)
God Bless FR Franks always speaks clearly and with great charity, and clarity.
Thank God I found this channel to learn so many things about the Faith.
thanks Fr. Franks.
I really like Fr. thought 11:00 about “it doesn’t very much matter what the intentions were; just look at the results. No thank you.”
Fr. Frank’s for the win!! ✝️
As always awesome! You asked some really good questions! Can’t wait for the discussion on people fearing loss of soul for attending SSPX because the church has declared it so often.
This Novus Ordo Church has been lying, about sspx. God alone knows their degree of culpability. I, for one, am Grateful 🙏for the Truth being spoken! May this Series be Proclaimed over all, the Earth! 🙏Amen!
✝️For myself only....I choose the Latin Mass, in My SSPX Chapel. My heart has brought me here, nothing else and I’m here for the Holy Mass, everything else is only “of the World” and none of my business. ✝️
Thank You for this series. I have learned so much more than what I thought I knew. The Truth is Jesus, lets stay with the Truth.
This was especially helpful for me as I’ve had this dilemma (do I attend the NO because of lack of options while traveling in order to fulfill my obligation?). I always felt that I shouldn’t be obligated to attend irreverent theologically dangerous services in order to meet an obligation, but never knew for sure. Thank you for providing some much needed clarity.
Yep. Basically, the Faith is a matter of the First Commandment, which binds us higher than the Third Commandment (whence the Sunday obligation is derived).
Are you sure they are right to tell you you don't have to attend. I'm really not sure about this.
@@therealtoni maybe just read ur missal and watch the live stream
THANK GOD WE STILL HAVE FREE SPEACH IN THIS COUNTRY..
Maravilloso todo..gracias padre...Dios le bendiga..saludes desde Colombia.
Can you please do a video on true and false obedience (likewise the proper use of authority)? Historical examples added would be helpful.
Yes, that is coming in the next 5-6 episodes, I believe
7 weeks from now, to be exact.
Great series. A logical counter argument to the 2nd part of Q5 would be: "The post-conciliar church is taking a classic Protestant stance by protesting the pre-conciliar Church of 2000 years." One who expects one council to supersede and negate all previous councils has failed to understand apostolic succession, replacing it with relativistic descendent superiority.
Precisely! And relativism, being a prevailing mode of thinking these days is not lost on the Church because it piggybacked on Modernism, seeping as it did from the19th century onwards.
Isn't that kinda the muslim issue of abrogation?
Relativism is the toxic drink of too many. Especially in our "postmodern," age. It is the very agent people employ in their drive to flatten every aspect of society. Just another facet of the multi-headed Hydra that is Modernism.
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This so thoroughly explained and helped me out tremendously in my question posed in video #31. Thank you in kind Father. Deo Gratias.
I'm so thankful for these videos. I found this channel right after a Sunday when I left Mass feeling a bit off. They played a pop song during Holy Communion and they also said they'd only give It in the hand. Oh, and the altar girls and the female extraordinary ministers don't seem very right as well.
Amén
Those who consider SSPX, or other "independent" religious orders/associations, Protestant have it backwards. The Novus Ordo is Protestant, those who celebrate the Sacraments in the Old Rites are Catholic.
Years ago, I visited a Novus Ordo church where a friend of mine spent an hour searching for the tabernacle because it stayed in another room where no one could see it from any pew. During a Ukrainian Divine Liturgy, an altar girl held a cloth while the congregants received the Blessed Sacrament.
So exhausting... pick the right one, or you're damned!
We can know it by its fruit
That's the most obvious marker.
If something is good, people will be attracted to it.
If something is bad, people will be repelled by it.
@@blankblank8292 Not true, people are attracted to all manner of grave sin in today's world.
When will SSPX come to Utah? We really need you.
Perhaps on the objection to the diversity of liturgies I recall Fr. Ripperger saying that all rites have their origin from an actual apostle that logically developed slowly over time by the guidance of the Holy Ghost, and to add to that it would seem The Church is more of a custodian of liturgy rather than its author, as is the Deposit of Faith as a whole as the property of God to be handed down. The Novus Ordo on the other hand is the only one (even though it’s technically classified as the Roman rite) in which such drastic changes were made, things omitted, and things conjured up from scratch.
now it all makes sense....we were duped...lol....
Just imagine how good the Church would be if all of the traditional catholics would just stay in THE Church
Regarding the SSPX's teaching authority, 'My sheep know My voice.' For whatever it's anecdotally worth, my family, by the grace of God, went from an Archdiocesan NO to ICKSP TLM. This Series, however, is a real historical, liturgical, intellectual ear opener. Through it, IMHO, our Lord is speaking to confused, dismayed members of His Flock, like me. Thus, we now worship at St. Anne's in Livonia, whose pastor recently lauded CCS from the pulpit. P.s. Primitivism is liturgical Protestantism in pseudo-historical clothing. TY, Father Franks. RFGA, Ph.D.
Deo Gratias! Be assured of my prayers.
In Christ, Fr. P. Franks
Deo gratias
I have been to some beautiful Byzantine liturgies, and I have been to some awful ones. In one of them, I was shocked how much the Liturgy of St John Chrystosom was altered to have the feel of Novus Ordo mass , and in another the priest sprinkled the Precious Blood liberally and intentionally as people received Communion. The Precious blood was everywhere: on the faithful, on the cloth with which he held the chalice, on the floor. I was throughly mortified. I know that at least some Ukrainian Catholic priests receive most of their seminary instruction in Roman Catholic seminaries and then they get a couple years of instruction at the end specific to their liturgies.
Yes, the problems is that they didn't only change the Latin Mass, I think most, or all catholic eastern rites were also affected by the changes. It's a huge problem to get a proper mass now in any rite
In 15 years of attending Liturgy in the Eastern Byzantine Churches, I have never seen the Liturgy altered (except for old Latinizations especially among the Ukrainians which Vat II told them to remove )
I understand and respect everything you are trying to do. But to hint or outright say that going to a Novus Ordo mass or other officially sanctioned rite by the magisterium is sinful is overstepping your authority and going too far. There’s only one Sspx church is my general vicinity and it’s almost 1:45 away by car. I think it’s dangerous to tell Catholics they can’t attend their local Novus Ordo mass to worship God and fulfill our Sunday obligations and still have problems with the modernist, ecumenical, naturalist undercurrents destabilizing the church. Two things can be true at once: the Novus Ordo mass is deficient but completely valid and reform needs to take place at the highest levels of the church.
I find it odd that people take issue with the sspx but seem to have no issue with James Martin, the Eucharist for pro abort politicians etc. I believe the sspx is more in line with the Church than than "Catholics" who vote Democrat
Do we know for a fact that in medieval cathedrals the tabernacle was placed in a side chapel, or in a corner of smaller churches? Is it in the writings or manuscripts or is there some other way to verify this? Was it in all European nations or states, or only some? It does seem out of character, but if that’s the way it was, then that’s the way it was. It could be a partial justification for placing the tabernacle where we often find it in contemporary churches, but to my mind it does seem irreverent to take the tabernacle away from a central, prominent position in the church.
What is the best book to read that spells out all the SSPX concerns and arguments? Thank you
Can anyone source that a Catholic is not required to attend Mass outside of his rite? If so, this is a huge motivation for clear teaching on how one rite can have two expressions (ie are these really two different rites as Fr Hesse thought)
Thank you for the great series and a focus on so important and central topic. I was always wondering why:
1- FSSPX does not use "Quo Primum" stating that it did not preclude future popes to establish new rites. On the other hand, since Trent effectively frozen all rites (older than 200 years) and canonized Roman Latin, how it is even possible that new rite could be even considered?
2- I am not sure if the argument of "fruits of NOM" can stand. When abp Lefebvre decided in 70s to not follow the Pope with regards to NOM, while the wisdom could predict tragic results of NOM, there were no evidence, not yet. And the justification still had to be made.
3- Perhaps I misheard, but somewhere in this series (probably fr. Robinson) said that NOM was promulgated by the Pope. But others say there is no single signature of the Pope under NOM and there is only a notification of by the for the Doctrine. So how it should work?
fssp Parramatta bulletin August 1
Even if everyone stopped going to the new mass. The powers behind the counsel would seek to destroy the church. The very reason our Lady has to intervene.Our Lady has to be known as the mother of God and Queen of heaven. The reason the Church is in this battle.
What was PSPXII's motivation in rejecting "archaeologism" concerning the Liturgy? Did he ever speak to that?
At my SSPX chapel, my chaplain invited a diocesan priest to fulfill the role of deacon at a solemn high Mass last year. The same diocesan priest, using the old Rituale Romanum, has also acted as the official witness at a wedding at the same SSPX chapel with the SSPX chaplain assisting him. The diocesan priest offers both the Novus Ordo Missae and the traditional Roman Rite. What am I to make of this?
Maybe the best thing is to ask your chaplain.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE FRATERNITY OF ST PETER MASS
I had a question on what are we to do if invited to an ordination of a priest and has been a friend for a while yet in the new rite. I been withdrawn for the idea of being where communion in the hand would be present.
May we rather see traditionalists go back to saying we are Roman Catholic, the Roman Rite, the Roman Canon
Can somebody explain this to me? I'm just now getting started with the TLM at an SSPX church and haven't gotten my 1962 Missal yet,which would probably explain this: the NO daily readings say this week (6/8) is the 10th Week in Ordinary Time. We were just in Pentecost, so how can this be? I'm still very ignorant 😒. Thank you. 😊
4:40 Novus ordo deficient and dangerous to the faith but on another video the human catechetical emphasis of the NO is criticized. Instead worship and offering to God is prime in TLM. Hence readings in Latin at the altar. No so in Byzantine Rite where the Epistle may be chanted from the naive by layman and Gospel by priest facing the people in the vernacular. The offertory and consecration is done facing tabernacle in the vernacular as it is addressed to God.
In regards to Eucharistic Prayer 1, since 2011 the language of the propitiatory sacrifice has been reintroduced. Would you still say that a NOM said with Eucharistic prayer 1 is dangerous?
There are still major issues. For example, the fact that the priest genuflects after the Elevation rather than immediately after the Consecration implies the consent of the people is needed to confect the Eucharist, a Jewish seder prayer instead of an offertory, and on and on.
I have a parish in my town where the melkite liturgy is celebrated, but the priest is very modernist, sadly.
The primitive is not better than the advanced, if it were, we would all be Hebrews in Egypt.
It’s a constant battle against tradition. The conciliar church May appear to be in charge. But they are not. They do not obey our Lord. They’re disobedience is so obvious. Our Lady of Fatima warned us. Pray the rosary
Only a true Shepherd under the influence of Christ has the POWER to globally unite Catholics. What proves we have no Shepherd is that we are all split and very often snipe at eachother. An act of God will fix this .
The medievals did on average have a lack of devotion to the Blessed Sacrament. That is the average of the human race. Human nature is darkened by Original Sin and its generational consequences. Being acutely conscious of God does not come to us naturally.
The question should be and should have been, "What does God want? How does God want us to worship Him? What is it that pleases God (not just what He accepts, but what is pleasing)?"
We Trads actually have a form more in common with the children of Israel relative to the Temple and Sanctuary and Holy of holies than with the medievals. If the Novus Ordo proponents aspire to the corrupt eras of man, that resembles to me a mockery of the Christian Religion and amounts to be kind of their problem precisely.
Each side will never budge so a reconciliation in my opinion will not happen and probably shouldn't for obvious reasons. It took over a hundred years to get here it may take two hundred years to get back.
Can anyone explain.what a Mass in.the second Century looked like? Do we photos...vídeos....artwork or any writings from the period describing it? This "primitive" religión the current day barbarians want is nothing but a ruse. Qui bonum?
St. Justin Martyr wrote about the early practices of catholics in the year 100 and 200 AD
You have confused me thoroughly. Other SSPX priests have explained the errors of Novur Ordo much differently.
Dear Eileen, That was never meant to be a self-contained explanation of the errors of the Novus Ordo Missae. It was part of a series, and was just trying to respond to some questions in the comments. If it confuses you, don't pay it any more attention. Just stick with what is clear to you. Unless you have particular questions?
Is this the sort of explanation you heard from other SSPX priests? ua-cam.com/video/2FmhwSeBCgY/v-deo.html
@@SSPX Thank you.
Unfortunately the Eastern Rites have their own modernists trying to chip away at these traditional rites. For me, The Traditional Roman Rite represents liturgical excellence.
Jesus did not say to judge a particular thing according to its intention , for instance like placing the Blessed Sacrament somewhere other than the altar. Jesus said to judge the thing by IT'S FRUIT.
By that standard the new mass and Vatican II are epic fail.
EPIC FAIL!