Thank God for Abp.Lefebvre and all the courageous members of the SSPX. I offer to any priest of the SSPX that may want and need a home here in Vermont, USA, a fiercly protective and loving home with my family and our FULL support.
@@redneckpride4ever Thank you for that information, my friend!! I wasn't aware the SSPX had a presence in NH. Is this new or have they been there for awhile?
I am 87 and I can remember how dismayed I was when the language of the Mass was no longer Latin. What has happened is far worse. Receiving Communion in the hand, Mass being celebrated facing the congregation, and the Tabernacle no longer having central focus being placed away from the altar. Please restore the Church.
Joan , God bless you ! I have found a Traditional Latin Mass within an hour oft home. It feels like coming home to attend . I pray you can find one , also . God bless you
@@jackieann5494 Dear Jackie, We too go to SSPX church Mass which is 34 miles away and it really is a glorious command from Our Blessed Lord! Praise God!
Helllo Joan, my utmost respect for your faith. I just started going to the TLM some 8-9 weeks ago. I didnt even know about it nor that the regular Sunday mass I was attending is called Novus Ordo mass. I accidently bumped into the "Pachamama procession" held inside the Basilica by Pope Francis(youtube) that got me all upset and started doing some research. But now I'm totally confused. Do I stop attending all weekdays masses and sunday masses and only attend the 1 Tridentine Mass on Sunday that available only in 1 church in my city? You see, my mom had a severe stroke last Nov 2021, now half paralysed, on a feeding tube, and I was hoping to pray for her in church every day,,,,now what do I do? Just pray at home instead? Any advice from traditional caholics here most welcome. Thank you and GOD Bless everybody here
@@TLM-st You can visit the Blessed Sacrament in Novus Ordo Churches, the Sacrament is valid. But you can't attend the N.O. Mass, as the N.O. Mass, even if valid, is a displeasing sacrifice to God. It's like the difference between the sacrifices of Cain and Abel. But... if the Church distributes Communion in the hand, then all bets are off because even traversing the nave and transept to sit in / kneel in a pew you run the high risk of stepping on Our Lord in the fragments that inevitably fall from people's hands as they walk away from taking Communion. It's awful.
I went back to TLM last week to an SSPX Chapel. I was truly back home just like when I converted to Catholicism in 1965! Profound peace is what I experienced. God bless the SSPX. I’m never going back. Deo gratias ✝️
Outstanding. Dogmas, All, must be believed. Writers like Evelyn Waugh, Michael Davies, Hamish Fraser, Rabbi Zolli, Freta Palmer, Dr. Karl Stern, and Graham Greene said the same.
Dear Jesus L, My husband and I age 59 and 69 last year had our Confirmation in the SSPX in UK. We love God and we are so very grateful to God for the SSPX. We came to the SSPX from 10 years in the Church of England. God took us both directly to the SSPX. God commanded us to go to the SSPX. Praise God!
Thank you Fr McFarland for perfect clarity and to all our SSPX priests for their uncompromising faith as taught by Jesus Christ and for holding fast to our 2000 year old tradition. God is unchanging and so is His Church. God bless and protect the Society 🙏🙏
Thank you Fr for this incredibly informative and comprehensive account. I currently attend the FSSP as was baptised as an adult in this community. We have wonderful Holy traditional priests. I think the problem is, now that the constitutions have been agreed and set up, the priests of the ED communities are answerable to their Bishops and do not want to leave the parishioners without enough Latin Masses to be able to attend. It is up to the leaders of these communities to take action. What a mess, but I hope the other ED groups and my own FSSP are able in the future to stand alongside and even join with the SSPX as we once again say, "God bless Archbp. Lefebvre" for his stand and bravery.
When we 1st began attending SSPX years ago, we found it hard to understand why the SSPX recommended not attending Mass at the FSSP. It’s the same Mass and all, right? Well no, we eventually found that it’s not just about the Mass, it’s about the doctrine and the compromises that the Indult communities made prevent them from criticizing the new Mass and the errors of Vatican 2. There were 2 specific instances: 1. While Amoris Laeticia was released, the FSSP remained silent and did not offer an explanation or even a comment. The SSPX Prior went around to all the Mass centres in his area and made sure we knew what the 7 heresies in AL were and made it clear what the Church teaches and will always teach about Matrimony. 2. The FSSP Priest once gave a sermon on Marriage, but used the 1983 Code of Canon Law definition which inverts the ends of Marriage by putting the good of the spouses as the primary end and the procreation and education of children as the second end. We cannot have our children hearing the Catechism that we teach to them contradicted. Sure the Mass was the same the days that those examples happened, but we did not get the proper Traditional reaffirmation and teaching of the Church. Many FSSP and I duet community Priests mean well and are holy men, but their hands are tied when it comes to issues like these. Thank you SSPX for protecting the Traditional Priesthood and Mass and Doctrines of all time.
It is clear to me that FSSP want to have their cake and eat it too. I have heard Fr. Thomas Wolfe point fingers at SSPX for its "dubious" position. It is a pity that he and perhaps others, fail to realize that without the late Bishop Lefebvre, there would be NO FSSP. In reality, they want to have the appearance of authority that the counterfeit NO hierarchy provides.
@@loarnotoole36 Yes, the times are evil and I believe as do many, that we are being chastised for rampant sin. Please pray your Rosary DAILY as the Holy Virgin requests, repeatedly. God bless you and yours.
I'm not trying to argue but I'm new to the SSPX and was curious why those explanations of marriage are wrong. That's what I learned. Again, not argueing. Just trying to understand.
Brilliant..absolutely brilliant. Archbishop Lefebvre saved the priesthood and should be declared a saint. The Ecclesia Die communities will be continually squeezed into a box because of Traditionis Custodes
My understanding is that Lefebvre was willing to 'accept' Vatican II in the spirit of tradition (paraphrased). Lefebvre was the one who initially proposed the 'compromise' if you believe Michael Davies account of Lefebvre's dialogues with Pope Paul VI (presumably given to Davies by Lefebvre), which can be read at the SSPX Asia website. Lefebvre may have had a change of heart by '88, but basically FSSP (and subsequently other groups) took the deal Lefebvre was slated to take had the unauthorized consecrations not taken place in '88.
Thank you Fr. McFarland for explaining this clearly. I found it confusing determining where to go to follow Christ in the right way. An SSPX Priest who was very kind to speak with me for over an hour answering questions, then watching this series gave me the facts (without swaying my path) that helped me determine where to be (which is SSPX). By the way, during the journey, I contacted FSSP 4 times by email and leaving phone messages. I never received a response. In every contact (email or phone message) to SSPX I received a response. I found SSPX Priests to be wonderful.
Excellent! A fine example of clarity! Let’s pray that all traditional groups will officially stand in the unchanging eternal truths of Holy Mother Church. For when the triumph of the Immaculate Heart comes there will certainly be NO compromising with errors! I think this is the best video yet, especially for those already in tradition. Clear, dogmatic, & to the point! Thank you Fr. McFarland, Thank You!
God bless Fr. McFarland. The Our Lady of Sorrows retreat house is so helpful. Our Lady reward them with many graces. God bless holy priests! Archbishop Lefevre ora por nobis, St. Pius X ora por nobis.
Well...I attend the TLM within the beloved SSPX in Winnipeg! The church (curiously enough) is at the intersection of Church and Mackenzie streets!!!🤩 Keep the faith folks. We are the winning team!!! Velox Versutus Vigilans
Excellent for the Holy Spirit guiding you SSPX in the faith against jealousy. Your great servant of TRUTH AND CLARITY of our Catholicism. Blessings in Jesus Christ!
So wonderful! The Catholic Church today is a disgrace to Jesus Christ. We need more prayers for our Catholic Church to return to prior to 1962. A MUST!!! 🙏🏻
It's really mind blowing how God chose to preserve the Catholic Church through essentially ONE man (Levebvre) out of hundreds of millions of Catholics.
Not for the first time, either. He did the same thing through St. Athanasius some 1700 years ago. Every so often it seems the main body of the Church hierarchy can be led astray, and the Lord keeps His promise to the Church through individuals with exceptional courage and insight.
Seven years ago I found my Catholic Faith through the SSPX. So grateful what Archbishop Lefebvre did and left behind for us. This is priceless. God bless and keep all our SSPX Fathers steadfast on the path of truth for which their Founder suffered so much. Thank you you all.
We have a crisis in the Church that continues to become more and more obvious. At some point the FSSP will have to make the hard decision to say NO to all these changes and suffer the consequences. We all have one common enemy and that is Satan. The smoke of Satan has entered our Church. Let’s fight this battle together not divided. Jesus Christ is the head of our Church. No man can assume the Kingship of Jesus Christ. Compromise is not an option. Let’s pray together and win together in Jesus Christ Amen.
A year after "Traditiones Oppugnatores", the Institute of Christ the King was prohibited by Archbishop Cupich from public celebrations of the Mass, and they have complied, demonstrating just how perilous their very existence is.
yeah the right example like refusing to reconcile despite the numerous attempts during pope Benedict because you know why would a catholic church want to be in communion with rome
@@chuckeycheese3215 The fact that rome hasn’t given the other ecclesia dei communities a bishop and the fact that rome has repeatedly put restrictions on them and forced them to say the novus ordo is proof that the SSPX should stay in its irregular position until a good pope does away with all the novus ordo nonsense
This is so amazing, so many are the harvest but so few are the laborers. In our island we dont have much funds but we have now 3 communities. We dont get a mass every sunday but for a month or so our SSPX priest comes and offer Mass in our place. Hopefully in God's time we will have a priory in Cebu. We just keep on praying that someday a benefactor will offer a place for a priory. Cebu is a Cradle of Christianity and it will be symbolic to have a priory here.
Yes, but Bishop Schneider was upset that the SSPX calls the Novus Ordo Mass sinful. He said basically "I also say the Novus Ordo Mass. When I do so am I sinning?"
I go to an FSSP parish. I’ve met about ten of their priests. So far it’s been 50/50. Some think Francis is great and everything’s fine. Some not so much. They have to be careful about what they say. One says the “novus is garbage “. Another tries to explain away why it’s okay that Francis wants to change the words of the Our Father
I know of no FSSP priest that says the new mass. All of them that I know will not say it. To that point our current pastor is a refugee from the novus ordo and once he learned the Old Rite he came over to FSSP and will never ever say the new mass again. With that being said I would happily attend an SSPX Parrish and in my humble opinion Marcel Lefebvre is a saint and one day, God willing, he will be recognized as such by the universal church.
I've been Catholic for 6 months. I've attended NO and TLM. I love TLM, I am yet to attend SSPX however wish to. Although I've walked into a big fat mess which is the Catholic church. God still lead me home and I thank Him. Please God help me stay the course and know the truth. I hope these videos about the SSPX will give me some clarity.
@@SSPX I am from Kerala India. I had contacted SSPX here. It has been more than three years. What I want is to live a traditional Carmelite life associated with SSPX.
Thank you for your comment. Much of this talk is above my head. However, I do have enough common sense to question that year of mercy, saying Sspx priests could hear confessions for one year! Huh?!
A great conversation! And a great summary at the end. Thank you, Fr. McFarland for such a clear exposition of the essence of the issue. Thank you! So, I wonder if the groups you are disagreeing with ever admit there IS a crisis in the Church? JPII denied such a crisis in his exchange with Cardinal Levfebvre? Personally, I think the tragedies that have invaded the Church like a tsunami since that brief but celebrated meeting with JPII vindicates Cardinal Levfebvre's concerns a thousand times over. He was and is right, JPII was and is, tragically----even catastrophically wrong. I think the final question and concern in this interview is a good one. Specifically, If all these Latin mass groups are, in different ways, doing what they can to preserve and restore the faith, why the animosity? I go to an FSSP community not far from my home, and speaking to one their priests he commented the SSPX was just like the Protestants. I WAS a Protestant---and no protestants I know over ever taught and worshipped like the SSPX. Can we at least tone down the rhetoric?!? But for me, even more importantly the question is this: If each of these groups are struggling toward a common final cause---restoration----what is the best way to go about it? Outside the approved communities of the visible Church---or within the approved communities? Personally, I think that would be a worthy topic.
The priests who severed from Archbishop Lefebvre obviously didn’t get it and lacked the gift of prudence and knowledge and so were lured by the false manipulative offer from the pope. Very sad indeed. I pray much for their eyes to be opened that we may be one as our Father in heaven intended from the beginning. I pray through Archbishop Lefebvre to continue protecting the one true church
I made the move from the FSSP to the SSPX when I discerned this difference of principle. They refused to provide me with a Conditional Confirmation and even advised me to obtain one from my NO parish.
@Go Eagles when your not sure if your confirmation was done correctly. Specially if you found out even just 1 case when your diocese had used a different oil and not the correct olive oil for confirmation. You may seek a conditional confirmation.
@@deadpoet4662 In my case it was that I was received into the Church using my 1963 Methodist Baptismal Certificate. All witnesses are dead and there is some doubt. Before the Council it was common to conditionally Baptize Protestant converts for this reason.
I am sympathetic to the sentiments here from the SSPX, but I think it would be better for the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, etc to work together for the good of the Church. This especially applies to the lay faithful. There is too much fighting amongst ourselves, Traditionalists can do much more good together. Ego needs to be set aside for the greater glory of God.
Exactly what I was going to say, on the whole I like the sspx but then so many people who attend their masses say fssp icksp etc are all liberal heretics and its honestly pathetic. We all want the same thing which is for the Latin mass to return, therefore wouldn't it be in everyone's best interests to work together instead of accusing everyone of being heretics
Great Q&A at 12:46. “There’s a crisis in the Church; do priests in the Ecclesia Dei Groups see that?” “Seeing it is one thing. And your public reaction to it is another thing. If they’re seeing it, then they’re expressing a certain willingness to be quiet about it or to turn a blind eye to it so that they can continue to have their little traditional pocket and continue to do their traditional thing.”
The FSSP founders were scandalized by the prospect of having their “Catholic ID card” revoked by Rome. So they compromised on their principles to keep that card.
How I pray to get the SSPX in the diocese of Portland Me! We are such a wasteland up here. Nearest FSSP parish is 140 miles away from me in NH. God bless all!
I go to an ICKSP parish and they are a lot different from FSSP. ICKSP has a very unique Benedictine spirituality, and especially about giving God glory through beauty. Someone once told me that if the TLM ever becomes the norm again in the Church FSSP would cease to exist, as their whole charism is just based around bringing back the TLM, but ICKSP would continue to exist due to their unique Benedictine spirituality. Also interestingly, we use the pre 1955 liturgical books, whereas SSPX is very servile to the 1962 missal only. That ironically makes ICKSP more liturgically traditional than SSPX.
I am currently in the process of joining the Fraternity of St Peter. The only reason I picked FSSP over ICKSP was because I didnt feel capable of learning the whole curriculum in French. Not to mention because of Covid, I can no longer travel to Europe to the seminary. Its so heartbreaking that I read how everyone thinks my future seminary is worthless.
Thank you for proclaiming and keeping the true Catholic faith. I can’t agree with the statement said at the beginning that the Ecclesia Dei communities teach the traditional faith. They don’t, at least in my country. Some priests in FSSP are traditional but some of them are not. I’ve heard quite a lot of sermons from FSSP priests that were controversial at least and mostly shallow.. Nevertheless it’s good that they are here because they lead the souls to the tradition. Many of the faithful proceed to SSPX at some point seeing the inconsistency in the FSSP teaching. Of course it may be completely different in other countries.
In the movie 'A Hidden Life' Frank is advised by the parish priest to accept that war is right and still he can hold his faith in his heart. Here the priest priest asks him to compromise. Similar situation can be seen in many groups who say they are traditional.
Some of those NO Seminaries refuse to allow devotion to Mary and other traditions that are the glue that have held the deposit of faith and church together…..
Imagine, two generals fighting for the same king, fighting a common enemy. One general takes the hard line approach to how he will direct his troops. This general is rigid in his defense. He cannot imagine fighting any other way. The other General believes he can win the war by subtly infiltrating the enemy camp. Like a Trojan horse, he enters the gates of the oppositional camp, and takes the win. The E.D. communities are so important in keeping the traditional Latin Mass alive and available in areas where there is no SSPX. I personally do not care that they had to join with Rome in order to make access to the traditional Latin Mass available to me. I think these communities have a great deal of faith in their King, whom they are fighting for. By keeping in step with the mandates of Rome, they retain legitimacy. These E.D. communities make it possible for people to experience the Latin Mass, in many cases for the first time. These traditional parish communities are growing and thriving. This is a battle won. If enough Catholics support these traditional parishes while Novus Ordo parishes are dwindling, there is hope for change. I believe that should be the ultimate goal for all traditional Catholics. If the SSPX look upon these communities as disingenuous because they caved in to the pope’s conditions in order to keep the tradition alive, they are missing a critical point. By agreeing to certain conditions the E. D. bring this beautiful Mass to more and more of us.
Thanks so much Fr McFarland for this great explanation on the difference of SSPX from other traditional group. This has just sealed my Traditional Catholicism with SSPX. Never ever going back to Novus Ordo. God bless Archbishop Lefevre and the SSPX.
Yet the Blessed Mother warned "not to hold a council" to pope John twenty third at that time, through message to Sr. Lucia. Now saint. This warning is given at LaSallette also.
This may be a bad analogy....I see the modernist church like a fine restaurant that changed ownership. They still serve great food (the Eucharist....although it's questionable), but now they serve it on dirty dishes and unwashed silverware. A flat Coke is still a valid Coke, but it's best poured down the drain.
One of my concerns about traditional groups bowing to the Vatican and agreeing to even a single Novus Ordo mass (on a regular basis, I assume) is the desecration of their sanctuaries, such as through Communion in the hand ceremonies. Because Hosts are so fragile, especially around the edges, Communion in the hand (a common practice with Novus Ordo masses) results in thousands of fragments being scattered throughout the sanctuary and beyond. Though this is by far not the only sacrilege perpetrated during Novus Ordo masses, it’s quite serious all on its own. What could be worse than hundreds of the Faithful trampling underfoot the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord as they attend mass and participate in Holy Communion? How do we even begin to make reparation for the deliberate trampling the already far too abused body of Jesus? They can try to disallow Communion in the hand, but most Novus Ordo “Catholics” have become so Protestantized, they no longer know how to be truly Catholic. This includes not knowing who and what Communion really is, and failing to show proper reverence and respect as a result. Novus Ordo masses breed disrespect and disbelief, but then I suspect that’s the whole point. In short, you can’t allow even a single Novus Ordo mass without bringing some level of disrespect, if not outright desecration, to the sanctuary. I know because I was a Novus Ordo attending CINO (Catholic in Name Only) myself for over 20 years…until Jesus opened my eyes to the truth. It makes me very glad the SSPX not only exists but also refuses to back down. You know you’re doing something right when the world hates and reviles you for standing with Jesus, and the long-held Tradition, Dogma and Doctrine of His Church.
In my understanding, even tho they celebrate the novus ordo, the faithful that attend the mass is them that longing for the tradition, so that should not be a problem for them to impose the ban on communion on hand within their parish. Not even a one modern faithful in their "right mind" will attend a mass in these traditional group, even when the mass is being offered in novus ordo rite. These traditional groups will try to make a novus ordo mass become more reverent more solemn in traditional term so it will be a big no for them the modernist who loves to hear piano or guitar or even drum during mass...
I suspect there will be soon some interesting discussions between ED communities and the SSPX. Clearly, they (the ED communities) tried the "compromised" way, and it failed. Will they eventually come to the right conclusions ? Thank you very much for this series, it's an outstanding work and i learned so much from it ! Deo Gratias !
I agree with Father that the FSSP is on 2 boat that are moving further apart, however I don't believe they are just standing there. They are actively pulling people from one boat to the other. I believe, and hope that when they do inevitably fall into the water they will swim to the boat of tradition.
This is a great dialogue. It was clear and respectful. I learned a lot. I do think that the quotes attributed to Father Berg (24:50ish mark) are missing some context. I think his claim is that the way in which these novel concepts are reconciled with tradition is to weigh the novelty against clear and authoritative teaching of the Church and to just ignore the novelty. Father Berg quote from the Remnant article: "We forget that there is the extraordinary Magisterium, but also the ordinary Magisterium by which all things are measured. There is a danger of forgetting the full span of the Magisterium and giving greater theological weight to what was is said at a Wednesday audience than to what has been stated dogmatically at a given Ecumenical Council simply because it took place more than 1,000 years ago."
"As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church…In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." - Pope Benedict XVI
I have been considering, seriously, moving to the SSPX; I have been attending the FSSP in recent years. This series has been the catalyst behind my thoughts, it is excellent! Question: what is the difference, if any, between the SSPX and SSPX-MC?
Very interesting your question (for an episode of these series?). As for me, the differences with “SSPX- MC” are: 1) the latter rejects all contact with the modernist roman authorities: this is not catholic, because the fact that they are modernists does not prevent them to emanate legitimate orders, like a canonical status if there is not any conditioning against the faith in it; 2) they consacrated Bishops but this time, unlike Mgr Lefebvre, without invoking any cause of justification, because nothing had changed in SSPX for that move (neither the doctrine, nor the health of the remaining Bishops).
I have been in an FSSP parish for three years, and what this priest is saying doesn't sound like my own experiences with the Fraternity or their teaching. Our priests are very clear that they are only to celebrate the Traditional Mass, and I have never seen or heard of any "novelties". I do try to have an open mind, but the nearest SSPX chapel is in another city 60 mi from here, so I can't have an opinion based on experience. And going back to an NO parish is unthinkable.
I had a question regarding novus ordo priests in the Society. My spiritual father is one of these, but there are members of the Society who say that such priests are invalid, and in my parish some laymen avoid mass if a novus ordo priest is giving mass that day. What is the Society's stance on this issue. It causes a lot of division.
An excellent commentary on the uniting the clans! One cannot unite just on the basis of love towards TLM. Some Eastern Orthodox communities love TLM, and their priests celebrate it without mentioning Pope. In order to unite the traditional clans those clans should be fully Catholic. You can't unite traditional Catholics with the adherents of ecumenism and religious liberty. So, in order to unite with the ED communities, those communities should realize the errors of V2 , the mistakes of their founders and join the SSPX.
Exactly, we cannot unite with people who deny the very essence of what it means to be catholic, this is why all traditionalists should run away from SSPX, as they deny full obedience to the pope as defined in Vatican I: « *_Both clergy and faithful_*_ , of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, _*_are bound to submit_*_ to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this _*_not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government_*_ of the Church throughout the world._ » One must answer simple questions: Is Vatican II only a pastoral Council ? Yes/No Given a charitable interpretation, does Vatican II teach errors in doctrine ? Yes/No If Yes/Yes - then you are either mad or lack correct informations; if Yes/No, you are disobedient if you remain willingly in SSPX, and should join Ecclesia Dei communities instead; If No/Yes, you have lost Faith in the promise of Christ (Luke 22:32), then, says St Thomas Aquinas, you don't have faith but only a correct opinion about articles of the Faith; If No/No, then you should also join Ecclesia Dei.
@@Iesu-Christi-Servus,there were hidden heresies in the teachings of Vatican 2. And you can't run away from this fact. The Church has never taught some things about the faith and salvation before that council. If you agree with that, you can't seat between the two chairs, i.e. be a traditional Catholic and adherent of all teachings of Vatican 2. As for the Pope, will you follow him if he says that Christ is no God?
@@andysoshalski9761 These are serious accusations. You say there are 'hidden heresies', that's really a new concept I'm unaware of. It basically means, that Vatican II's documents can be interpreted as orthodox or as heretical, but you prefer giving a heretical interpretation. Wow, What a confession ! I remind you that giving a positive interpretation of orthodoxy to ambiguous statements is the charitable rule of interpretation, but giving a heretical one is the rule of schism, pride, hatred and division. If you lack the charitable rule, no doubt you could have sided with Arius in 325 in saying Nicaea was a heretical council, since St Athanasius used the word 'Consubstantial', which was initially a heretical term. Since you had no specific examples to support your accusation of heresy, I will stick to your first comment; ecumenism and religious freedom. The first, ecumenism, as intended by the Church, is simply a process of setting aside political and disciplinary elements properly external to the doctrine, and achieving Christian unity, by means of dialogue, in the same Catholic Faith. Concerning the latter, religious liberty, two things ought to be distinguished: 1)the individual freedom of men to freely receive the Faith (which is an article of faith), has always been believed and taught by the Holy Catholic Church. 2)the political liberty to put or not to put social pressure to bring people to profess the Catholic faith, is a pastoral attitude, therefore has nothing to do with the doctrine of the Church. This is not the first time that the attitude of the Church changed on this matter. In the 17th century, the Church did away with penal enactments which had been passed in the Middle Ages under different circumstances, as the principles on which they rested, were no longer in force since the establishment of Protestants States in Europe. On other issues, the Church changed its teachings on the definition of Mortal Sin and the practice of the sacrament of Penance; the change in practice of the sacrament of the Eucharist & the removal of one substance (Wine); tacit justification then condemnation of slavery; legitimization of the condition of the mendicant orders which was previously inadmissible; signing 'Concordats' while the Church issued teachings condemning the ideas of the French Revolution; Pope Leo XIII's call for French Catholics to rally the republic, etc. Why is it no big deal ? - Because these things do not correspond with the requirements for valid infallible ex cathedra statements. The problem with radical traditionalist circles, is that you've been hurt by Church abuses, and you don't understand properly the definition of papal infallibility in Vatican I. Read what Mgr Fessler writes about the Syllabus of errors: « _Now it is true that the propositions of the Syllabus are designated in the title of the document as Errors of our time which the Holy Fathers have on different occasions denounced, _*_but then it is certain that many of the documents in which a special error is denounced, and from which the propositions are drawn, are not utterances ex cathedra._* » - _The True and the False Infallibility of the Popes, approved by St Pius IX_ I could give you a longer quote from his work to show the correctness of considering religious liberty defined in Vatican II as a pastoral approach, but this wouldn't be appropriate in this format, so I'll just invite you to read this work by yourself. Peace be with you !
@@Iesu-Christi-Servus Vatican II has not any definition covered by extraordinary magisterium. The novelties (like religious liberty, etc) are not ordinary magisterium, that implies “moral consensus” AND attachment to perennial doctrine. “Dignitatis humanae” contradicts explicitly the condemnation 79 of the Syllabus errorum and the teaching of always (Popes Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XI), then the previous infallible extraordinary and ordinary magisterium . If you accept these errors even as an internal assent, you are not catholic (as objectively speaking, all the former Ecclesia Dei groups)
@@josari7618 I thank you for your accusation that I'm not catholic, it reminds me that my sinful soul was redeemed by Christ, and thus, I am unworthy to throw a condemnation back to you. Good, you just agreed that the position on religious liberty is not magisterium! Magisterium is only about doctrines, which implies teachings about faith or moral. Therefore, religious liberty is only a pastoral approach (not doctrine), and thus can be changed by the authority of the Church. Your error comes from the fact that you blend some of the Church's disciplinarian laws with doctrine. Do you realize that the Church changed the definition of irremissible sin? If this change was considered a matter of discipline, and not of doctrinal nature (faith & moral), then how much more is the attitude towards the exercise of religious liberty only matter of discipline! If you really read my second comment from top to down, you wouldn't be so assertive to imply that all the propositions of the syllabus of errors are infallible magisterium. The Syllabus condemns errors; now all heresies are errors, but not all errors are heresies - enormous nuance! « He [Dr. Schulte] refers therein to the Syllabus. *Just as if all that the Syllabus refers to* is, for that very reason, i.e, because it is in the Syllabus, at once to be looked on *as a dogmatic definition on a matter of faith* . » - Mgr Fessler, Secretary-General for Vatican I, approved by St Pius IX « What more do they [the syllabus propositions] require to give them every kind of force? *Are they to be turned into dogmas of faith ?* This is evidently Mr. Gladstone's notion, as it is that of the school of Janus. *But the propositions of the Syllabus are far from all of them capable of being pronounced heretical ; and to imagine this is to misconstrue the nature of the censure attached to them.* [...] It is tolerably clear that he [Mr.Gladstone] makes every proposition [of the syllabus] to be a universal negation, and its censure to be that of heresy, and that the condemnation bears in all cases upon every part of each proposition. *It is the propensity of ignorance to generalize whatever comes from an unacceptable source, and to distort its meaning out of the proportions of truth* ; and on Catholic subjects Mr. Gladstone is very ignorant. » - Mgr Ullathorne, part-taker of Vatican I Council « I know many honest Protestants think, that whatever the Church defines, she defines as of faith ; that the eighty condemned propositions are eighty heresies in the eyes of Rome, and the eighty contradictories so many articles of faith. *This is a misconception.* Opinions may be censured as heretical, or as approaching to heresy, or as dangerous, or as offensive to pious ears, or as erroneous, etc. [...] Some of the errors condemned are heresies ; many rest on atheistical principles ; while some are historical falsehoods, coined for the purpose of leading the faithful away from the guidance of the Church of Christ. [...] The next ride to be borne in mind, in order not to stumble in reading the Syllabus, is one that needs a touch of elementary logic to be understood. It is thus conveyed : “ When a proposition is pronounced false, its contradictory is declared to be true ; *its contrary may be, or may not be, true.* ” » -The Syllabus for the people, 1875 Considering these elements, the door should be open to consider religious liberty as a non-doctrinal, pastoral matter, which is fallible, and prudential. Now, the condemnation of the seventy-ninth proposition only teaches that liberty of publishing any sentiments, however libellous, blasphemous and immoral they may be, tends to the corruption of morals. Where exactly does 'Dignitatis humanae' denies that ? It is true that the text is itself ambiguous, but it does not intend to promote religious liberty in the sense of professing error. What I understand from 'Dignitatis Humane', given a charitable interpretation, is that it wants to secure as a civil right the individual freedom to religious belief according to one's conscience, but it reminds that it is a duty to worship God, and liberty is exercised within limits, " _every man has the duty, and therefore the right, to seek the truth in matters religious in order that he may with prudence form for himself right and true judgments of conscience, under use of all suitable means._ "
Could you provide a source on the fssp concelebrating the novus ordo? I know that is a possibikity in the fiture but cant fjnd anywhere stating they already have in the past
"Living Tradition" as AB-Used to day does mean constant changing of doctrine but you will find this exact phrase in Pre-Conciliar documents and writings. In these writings "Living Tradition" means that Tradition is not Dead and Buried but that it is "Living" in the sense that that SAME Ancient Tradition is being passed on through the "guardians of Tradition" the successors of the Apostles. So we must Re-Take that term and not concede it to the modernists.
Please pray for our 2 priest in hospital with Covid & the one left to say all Masses & administer the Sacraments. He was not allowed to visit the 2 sick priests. They are priests of an independent chapel.
the question is is where does the trail of apostolic succession lead, who is a legitimately ordained priest, who actually administers the sacraments, actually by gods grace.
Thank God for Abp.Lefebvre and all the courageous members of the SSPX. I offer to any priest of the SSPX that may want and need a home here in Vermont, USA, a fiercly protective and loving home with my family and our FULL support.
The SSPX have a mission chapel in Gilford NH. Maybe I'll see you at Mass one day.
@@redneckpride4ever Thank you for that information, my friend!! I wasn't aware the SSPX had a presence in NH. Is this new or have they been there for awhile?
They've been there for quite a long time. A visiting priest from the Connecticut priory arrives every Sunday at 2PM.
Great SSPX for TRUTH-JESUS CHRIST always. Living Truth of Christianity! Your society flourishes for you adore the TRUTH JESUS CHRIST.
God Bless you. You give me a good idea
I am 87 and I can remember how dismayed I was when the language of the Mass was no longer Latin. What has happened is far worse. Receiving Communion in the hand, Mass being celebrated facing the congregation, and the Tabernacle no longer having central focus being placed away from the altar. Please restore the Church.
Joan ,
God bless you !
I have found a Traditional Latin Mass within an hour oft home. It feels like coming home to attend . I pray you can find one , also .
God bless you
@@jackieann5494 Dear Jackie,
We too go to SSPX church Mass which is 34 miles away and it really is a glorious command from Our Blessed Lord! Praise God!
87 and you know how to work youtube? Good for you
Helllo Joan, my utmost respect for your faith. I just started going to the TLM some 8-9 weeks ago. I didnt even know about it nor that the regular Sunday mass I was attending is called Novus Ordo mass. I accidently bumped into the "Pachamama procession" held inside the Basilica by Pope Francis(youtube) that got me all upset and started doing some research. But now I'm totally confused. Do I stop attending all weekdays masses and sunday masses and only attend the 1 Tridentine Mass on Sunday that available only in 1 church in my city? You see, my mom had a severe stroke last Nov 2021, now half paralysed, on a feeding tube, and I was hoping to pray for her in church every day,,,,now what do I do? Just pray at home instead? Any advice from traditional caholics here most welcome. Thank you and GOD Bless everybody here
@@TLM-st You can visit the Blessed Sacrament in Novus Ordo Churches, the Sacrament is valid. But you can't attend the N.O. Mass, as the N.O. Mass, even if valid, is a displeasing sacrifice to God. It's like the difference between the sacrifices of Cain and Abel.
But... if the Church distributes Communion in the hand, then all bets are off because even traversing the nave and transept to sit in / kneel in a pew you run the high risk of stepping on Our Lord in the fragments that inevitably fall from people's hands as they walk away from taking Communion. It's awful.
I went back to TLM last week to an SSPX Chapel. I was truly back home just like when I converted to Catholicism in 1965! Profound peace is what I experienced. God bless the SSPX. I’m never going back. Deo gratias ✝️
Outstanding. Dogmas, All, must be believed.
Writers like Evelyn Waugh, Michael Davies, Hamish Fraser, Rabbi Zolli, Freta Palmer, Dr. Karl Stern, and Graham Greene said the same.
We wouldn’t have the Tridentine mass were it not for the Society of Saint Pius x
God bless the work done by the Society of Saint Pius X!
Abp. Lefebvre saw the core of the crisis in the Church and left a safe path for us through the SSPX.
I believe that it's God's providence,🙏
Definitely want to do my confirmation with SSPX
Find the nearest chapel to you and ask when they're having confirmations next! 🙏
Dear Jesus L, My husband and I age 59 and 69 last year had our Confirmation in the SSPX in UK. We love God and we are so very grateful to God for the SSPX. We came to the SSPX from 10 years in the Church of England. God took us both directly to the SSPX. God commanded us to go to the SSPX. Praise God!
Thank you Fr McFarland for perfect clarity and to all our SSPX priests for their uncompromising faith as taught by Jesus Christ and for holding fast to our 2000 year old tradition. God is unchanging and so is His Church. God bless and protect the Society 🙏🙏
God bless Fr McFarland for speaking for Truth, our Lord Jesus Christ our King, with utmost clarity.
Thank you Fr for this incredibly informative and comprehensive account. I currently attend the FSSP as was baptised as an adult in this community. We have wonderful Holy traditional priests. I think the problem is, now that the constitutions have been agreed and set up, the priests of the ED communities are answerable to their Bishops and do not want to leave the parishioners without enough Latin Masses to be able to attend. It is up to the leaders of these communities to take action. What a mess, but I hope the other ED groups and my own FSSP are able in the future to stand alongside and even join with the SSPX as we once again say, "God bless Archbp. Lefebvre" for his stand and bravery.
When we 1st began attending SSPX years ago, we found it hard to understand why the SSPX recommended not attending Mass at the FSSP. It’s the same Mass and all, right?
Well no, we eventually found that it’s not just about the Mass, it’s about the doctrine and the compromises that the Indult communities made prevent them from criticizing the new Mass and the errors of Vatican 2.
There were 2 specific instances:
1. While Amoris Laeticia was released, the FSSP remained silent and did not offer an explanation or even a comment.
The SSPX Prior went around to all the Mass centres in his area and made sure we knew what the 7 heresies in AL were and made it clear what the Church teaches and will always teach about Matrimony.
2. The FSSP Priest once gave a sermon on Marriage, but used the 1983 Code of Canon Law definition which inverts the ends of Marriage by putting the good of the spouses as the primary end and the procreation and education of children as the second end.
We cannot have our children hearing the Catechism that we teach to them contradicted.
Sure the Mass was the same the days that those examples happened, but we did not get the proper Traditional reaffirmation and teaching of the Church.
Many FSSP and I duet community Priests mean well and are holy men, but their hands are tied when it comes to issues like these.
Thank you SSPX for protecting the Traditional Priesthood and Mass and Doctrines of all time.
It is clear to me that FSSP want to have their cake and eat it too. I have heard Fr. Thomas Wolfe point fingers at SSPX for its "dubious" position. It is a pity that he and perhaps others, fail to realize that without the late Bishop Lefebvre, there would be NO FSSP. In reality, they want to have the appearance of authority that the counterfeit NO hierarchy provides.
Very well said my friend....God bless you and your family....we are in evil times methinks...✌👍
@@loarnotoole36 Yes, the times are evil and I believe as do many, that we are being chastised for rampant sin. Please pray your Rosary DAILY as the Holy Virgin requests, repeatedly. God bless you and yours.
I'm not trying to argue but I'm new to the SSPX and was curious why those explanations of marriage are wrong. That's what I learned. Again, not argueing. Just trying to understand.
The New Code of Canon Law does not invert the ends of marriage what are you talking about lol
A simple comment on the point "has it worked?" Where is the Bishop promised to the Ecclesia Dei organisations? 33 years later....
They lied
Brilliant..absolutely brilliant. Archbishop Lefebvre saved the priesthood and should be declared a saint. The Ecclesia Die communities will be continually squeezed into a box because of Traditionis Custodes
Squeezed into a box until there isn’t a box to be in anymore….
My understanding is that Lefebvre was willing to 'accept' Vatican II in the spirit of tradition (paraphrased). Lefebvre was the one who initially proposed the 'compromise' if you believe Michael Davies account of Lefebvre's dialogues with Pope Paul VI (presumably given to Davies by Lefebvre), which can be read at the SSPX Asia website. Lefebvre may have had a change of heart by '88, but basically FSSP (and subsequently other groups) took the deal Lefebvre was slated to take had the unauthorized consecrations not taken place in '88.
Unfortunately, SSPX is already out of the box.
Thank you Fr. McFarland for explaining this clearly.
I found it confusing determining where to go to follow Christ in the right way.
An SSPX Priest who was very kind to speak with me for over an hour answering questions, then watching this series gave me the facts (without swaying my path) that helped me determine where to be (which is SSPX). By the way, during the journey, I contacted FSSP 4 times by email and leaving phone messages. I never received a response. In every contact (email or phone message) to SSPX I received a response. I found SSPX Priests to be wonderful.
Please think about doing a episode on the collapse of religious life and invite a SSPX sister and brother to discuss it.
Great idea.
Yes please. I'm a convert. I would love to see the religious brothers and sisters of the sspx.
Praying for our dear Lord Jesus Christ and our Blessed Virgin Mary to grant us more holy Priest to fight this holy battle.
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Excellent! A fine example of clarity! Let’s pray that all traditional groups will officially stand in the unchanging eternal truths of Holy Mother Church.
For when the triumph of the Immaculate Heart comes there will certainly be NO compromising with errors!
I think this is the best video yet, especially for those already in tradition. Clear, dogmatic, & to the point! Thank you Fr. McFarland, Thank You!
Very well said Father. Thank you! 🙏🏼 God Bless the SSPX!
Thank you for this clear and brilliant protection of the deposit of faith. God bless your work.
God bless Fr. McFarland. The Our Lady of Sorrows retreat house is so helpful. Our Lady reward them with many graces. God bless holy priests! Archbishop Lefevre ora por nobis, St. Pius X ora por nobis.
God bless you Father McFarland. 😊🙏 Greetings from Warsaw. SSPX is growing here too. 🇵🇱😁 Deo gratias!
Pozdrawiam.:)
@@skoczek231 Pozdrawiam serdecznie. 😁
Brilliant....the TRUTH shall set you FREE..saith the Lord....👏👏✌👍
Pozdrawiam z UK, tu też rozrastamy się. Wielu rodaków zasiliło kaplice i kościoły Bractwa 🙏
Well...I attend the TLM within the beloved SSPX in Winnipeg! The church (curiously enough) is at the intersection of Church and Mackenzie streets!!!🤩 Keep the faith folks. We are the winning team!!!
Velox Versutus Vigilans
Excellent for the Holy Spirit guiding you SSPX in the faith against jealousy. Your great servant of TRUTH AND CLARITY of our Catholicism. Blessings in Jesus Christ!
So wonderful! The Catholic Church today is a disgrace to Jesus Christ. We need more prayers for our Catholic Church to return to prior to 1962. A MUST!!! 🙏🏻
It's really mind blowing how God chose to preserve the Catholic Church through essentially ONE man (Levebvre) out of hundreds of millions of Catholics.
Wow! Beautifully said!
Not for the first time, either. He did the same thing through St. Athanasius some 1700 years ago. Every so often it seems the main body of the Church hierarchy can be led astray, and the Lord keeps His promise to the Church through individuals with exceptional courage and insight.
He is my priest in my parish, such an amazing pastor.. God bless him
Seven years ago I found my Catholic Faith through the SSPX. So grateful what Archbishop Lefebvre did and left behind for us. This is priceless. God bless and keep all our SSPX Fathers steadfast on the path of truth for which their Founder suffered so much. Thank you you all.
Thank you Fr. McFarland for explaining this without being judgmental but staying with the principal. God bless you
I think he was being a bit arrogant about them
We have a crisis in the Church that continues to become more and more obvious. At some point the FSSP will have to make the hard decision to say NO to all these changes and suffer the consequences. We all have one common enemy and that is Satan. The smoke of Satan has entered our Church. Let’s fight this battle together not divided. Jesus Christ is the head of our Church. No man can assume the Kingship of Jesus Christ. Compromise is not an option. Let’s pray together and win together in Jesus Christ Amen.
A year after "Traditiones Oppugnatores", the Institute of Christ the King was prohibited by Archbishop Cupich from public celebrations of the Mass, and they have complied, demonstrating just how perilous their very existence is.
Isn't Cupich a Cardinal (even at the time), and you mean only in Chicago?
I pray to God and with the intercession of Our Lady we would have a SSPX chapel in my area, because we don't have any TLM option.
SSPX is like the older brother who sets the right example for the younger brothers who may go astray.
yeah the right example like refusing to reconcile despite the numerous attempts during pope Benedict because you know why would a catholic church want to be in communion with rome
@@chuckeycheese3215 The fact that rome hasn’t given the other ecclesia dei communities a bishop and the fact that rome has repeatedly put restrictions on them and forced them to say the novus ordo is proof that the SSPX should stay in its irregular position until a good pope does away with all the novus ordo nonsense
Leaving the Church and following a break away Protestant like band invented by Mr. Lefebvre is not the answer.
The IBP was never forced to say the Novus Ordo
Thank God for the SSPX. I can’t wait to get to our Lady of Sorrows in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
The major reason for the problem is the bishop of Rome who would rather dialogue with pagans
This is all very, very important to Jesus; very important!
This is so amazing, so many are the harvest but so few are the laborers. In our island we dont have much funds but we have now 3 communities. We dont get a mass every sunday but for a month or so our SSPX priest comes and offer Mass in our place. Hopefully in God's time we will have a priory in Cebu. We just keep on praying that someday a benefactor will offer a place for a priory. Cebu is a Cradle of Christianity and it will be symbolic to have a priory here.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider says the SSPX is fully Catholic
Please tell, when and where Bishop Schneider was reported as saying this?
@@DonaldHSmith Here you go:
ua-cam.com/video/tFP485zUMGQ/v-deo.html
Yes, but Bishop Schneider was upset that the SSPX calls the Novus Ordo Mass sinful. He said basically "I also say the Novus Ordo Mass. When I do so am I sinning?"
@@DonaldHSmith In his book Christus Vincit, pg 149, paragraph 2
I go to an FSSP parish. I’ve met about ten of their priests. So far it’s been 50/50. Some think Francis is great and everything’s fine. Some not so much. They have to be careful about what they say. One says the “novus is garbage “. Another tries to explain away why it’s okay that Francis wants to change the words of the Our Father
Can we get Fr McFarland to debate Fr Ripperger. Both very knowledgeable priests who have two different points of view??
I'd like to see that. I'm an SSPX guy, but Fr. Ripperger is someone I respect.
God bless SSPX
Father McFarland, Andrew, this was GREAT! Thank you! Looking forward to Father Goldade, that should really be interesting.
What a marvelous priest. It gives me hope. He explained the situation incredibly well.
God Bless This Good Priest 👍🙏👍☺️
I know of no FSSP priest that says the new mass. All of them that I know will not say it. To that point our current pastor is a refugee from the novus ordo and once he learned the Old Rite he came over to FSSP and will never ever say the new mass again. With that being said I would happily attend an SSPX Parrish and in my humble opinion Marcel Lefebvre is a saint and one day, God willing, he will be recognized as such by the universal church.
I've been Catholic for 6 months. I've attended NO and TLM. I love TLM, I am yet to attend SSPX however wish to.
Although I've walked into a big fat mess which is the Catholic church. God still lead me home and I thank Him. Please God help me stay the course and know the truth.
I hope these videos about the SSPX will give me some clarity.
I am suspended by novus ordo authorities. I left a novus ordo congregation. Now I celebrate TLM staying at my home.
I’m sure the superiors the SSPX district where you live would be happy to be in touch with you, if that were ever of interest.
@@SSPX I am from Kerala India. I had contacted SSPX here. It has been more than three years. What I want is to live a traditional Carmelite life associated with SSPX.
The problems in the church today run deeper than external aesthetics.
I remember when Rome said sspx could hear confessions; year of mercy or whatever...so they were Catholic for a Year? God bless them. Thank you.
Did this allowance end after that year? Is it still on?
As of time of writing, it’s still on… in Christ, Fr Franks
Thank you for your comment. Much of this talk is above my head. However, I do have enough common sense to question that year of mercy, saying Sspx priests could hear confessions for one year! Huh?!
Thank you, Father and Andrew!
A great conversation! And a great summary at the end.
Thank you, Fr. McFarland for such a clear exposition of the essence of the issue.
Thank you!
So, I wonder if the groups you are disagreeing with ever admit there IS a crisis in the Church?
JPII denied such a crisis in his exchange with Cardinal Levfebvre?
Personally, I think the tragedies that have invaded the Church like a tsunami since that brief but celebrated meeting with JPII vindicates Cardinal Levfebvre's concerns a thousand times over.
He was and is right, JPII was and is, tragically----even catastrophically wrong.
I think the final question and concern in this interview is a good one.
Specifically, If all these Latin mass groups are, in different ways, doing what they can to preserve and restore the faith, why the animosity? I go to an FSSP community not far from my home, and speaking to one their priests he commented the SSPX was just like the Protestants. I WAS a Protestant---and no protestants I know over ever taught and worshipped like the SSPX. Can we at least tone down the rhetoric?!?
But for me, even more importantly the question is this: If each of these groups are struggling toward a common final cause---restoration----what is the best way to go about it?
Outside the approved communities of the visible Church---or within the approved communities?
Personally, I think that would be a worthy topic.
The priests who severed from Archbishop Lefebvre obviously didn’t get it and lacked the gift of prudence and knowledge and so were lured by the false manipulative offer from the pope. Very sad indeed. I pray much for their eyes to be opened that we may be one as our Father in heaven intended from the beginning.
I pray through Archbishop Lefebvre to continue protecting the one true church
I made the move from the FSSP to the SSPX when I discerned this difference of principle. They refused to provide me with a Conditional Confirmation and even advised me to obtain one from my NO parish.
What's the problem ? And why conditional confirmation ?
@Go Eagles when your not sure if your confirmation was done correctly. Specially if you found out even just 1 case when your diocese had used a different oil and not the correct olive oil for confirmation. You may seek a conditional confirmation.
@@deadpoet4662 In my case it was that I was received into the Church using my 1963 Methodist Baptismal Certificate. All witnesses are dead and there is some doubt. Before the Council it was common to conditionally Baptize Protestant converts for this reason.
I appreciate this professional production. It has been very informative.
I am sympathetic to the sentiments here from the SSPX, but I think it would be better for the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, etc to work together for the good of the Church. This especially applies to the lay faithful. There is too much fighting amongst ourselves, Traditionalists can do much more good together. Ego needs to be set aside for the greater glory of God.
Exactly what I was going to say, on the whole I like the sspx but then so many people who attend their masses say fssp icksp etc are all liberal heretics and its honestly pathetic. We all want the same thing which is for the Latin mass to return, therefore wouldn't it be in everyone's best interests to work together instead of accusing everyone of being heretics
One can not work with those groups if they accept the doctrinal changes of the vat 2 modernists
Great Q&A at 12:46.
“There’s a crisis in the Church; do priests in the Ecclesia Dei Groups see that?”
“Seeing it is one thing. And your public reaction to it is another thing. If they’re seeing it, then they’re expressing a certain willingness to be quiet about it or to turn a blind eye to it so that they can continue to have their little traditional pocket and continue to do their traditional thing.”
The FSSP founders were scandalized by the prospect of having their “Catholic ID card” revoked by Rome. So they compromised on their principles to keep that card.
Very interesting and enlightening discourse. Never really thought about the implicit contradiction of the the other stance. Thank you.
Well presented and clear interview. Well reasoned.
How I pray to get the SSPX in the diocese of Portland Me! We are such a wasteland up here. Nearest FSSP parish is 140 miles away from me in NH. God bless all!
There's an SSPX mission in Gilford NH.
God bless all of you for doing God's work. Vivo Christo Rey!
Thanks this is very helpful.
I go to an ICKSP parish and they are a lot different from FSSP. ICKSP has a very unique Benedictine spirituality, and especially about giving God glory through beauty. Someone once told me that if the TLM ever becomes the norm again in the Church FSSP would cease to exist, as their whole charism is just based around bringing back the TLM, but ICKSP would continue to exist due to their unique Benedictine spirituality. Also interestingly, we use the pre 1955 liturgical books, whereas SSPX is very servile to the 1962 missal only. That ironically makes ICKSP more liturgically traditional than SSPX.
They (ICSKSP) have permission from Rome to us the 1955 Liturgical books, SSPX does not.
I am currently in the process of joining the Fraternity of St Peter. The only reason I picked FSSP over ICKSP was because I didnt feel capable of learning the whole curriculum in French. Not to mention because of Covid, I can no longer travel to Europe to the seminary. Its so heartbreaking that I read how everyone thinks my future seminary is worthless.
Listen to the late Fr. Hesse discuss the principle of self defense before making such comments.
@@DaveS859 I love Father Hesse, I wish he was still alive, but at least I think he is in Heaven by now
Thank you for clarifying. ICKSP is a God send 🙏🏻
This was the best presentation I have heard on the differences
Thank you for proclaiming and keeping the true Catholic faith.
I can’t agree with the statement said at the beginning that the Ecclesia Dei communities teach the traditional faith. They don’t, at least in my country. Some priests in FSSP are traditional but some of them are not. I’ve heard quite a lot of sermons from FSSP priests that were controversial at least and mostly shallow.. Nevertheless it’s good that they are here because they lead the souls to the tradition. Many of the faithful proceed to SSPX at some point seeing the inconsistency in the FSSP teaching.
Of course it may be completely different in other countries.
Very well explained… thanks God for it!!!
In the movie 'A Hidden Life' Frank is advised by the parish priest to accept that war is right and still he can hold his faith in his heart. Here the priest priest asks him to compromise. Similar situation can be seen in many groups who say they are traditional.
We need SSPX to be more accessible to so so many of us. The closest to me is 150 miles one way. How can we help SSPX start more communities?
Pray for priest, pray for many holy Catholic priest, pray many Catholic families, pray for many holy Catholic families.
I live in central Massachussetts and it 2 hrs to anyone of them in the north east
@@pmreynolds4547it’s an hour for me in central Jersey, but worth the drive.
Some of those NO Seminaries refuse to allow devotion to Mary and other traditions that are the glue that have held the deposit of faith and church together…..
We go to Holy Mass of the SSPX priests. We won't go to another society. We LOVE the SSPX! Praise God! We love God! Thank you, God, for Thy SSPX. Amen
I love Fr. Philip Wolfe of the FSSP, whose sermons have been suppressed by the FSSP....let's pray for his conversion to the SSPX.
Conversion??? It’s the same Church
"conversion", the SSPX is Catholic.
Imagine, two generals fighting for the same king, fighting a common enemy. One general takes the hard line approach to how he will direct his troops. This general is rigid in his defense. He cannot imagine fighting any other way. The other General believes he can win the war by subtly infiltrating the enemy camp. Like a Trojan horse, he enters the gates of the oppositional camp, and takes the win.
The E.D. communities are so important in keeping the traditional Latin Mass alive and available in areas where there is no SSPX. I personally do not care that they had to join with Rome in order to make access to the traditional Latin Mass available to me. I think these communities have a great deal of faith in their King, whom they are fighting for. By keeping in step with the mandates of Rome, they retain legitimacy. These E.D. communities make it possible for people to experience the Latin Mass, in many cases for the first time. These traditional parish communities are growing and thriving. This is a battle won. If enough Catholics support these traditional parishes while Novus Ordo parishes are dwindling, there is hope for change. I believe that should be the ultimate goal for all traditional Catholics.
If the SSPX look upon these communities as disingenuous because they caved in to the pope’s conditions in order to keep the tradition alive, they are missing a critical point. By agreeing to certain conditions the E. D. bring this beautiful Mass to more and more of us.
Very well put
Thanks so much Fr McFarland for this great explanation on the difference of SSPX from other traditional group. This has just sealed my Traditional Catholicism with SSPX. Never ever going back to Novus Ordo. God bless Archbishop Lefevre and the SSPX.
Brilliant unchangeable of faith!
Wow. This was most eye opening. I hadn’t considered these issues regarding compromises made by the FSSP. Thank you for this.
Yet the Blessed Mother warned "not to hold a council" to pope John twenty third at that time, through message to Sr. Lucia. Now saint.
This warning is given at LaSallette also.
Ahhhh now I understand ✝️
This may be a bad analogy....I see the modernist church like a fine restaurant that changed ownership. They still serve great food (the Eucharist....although it's questionable), but now they serve it on dirty dishes and unwashed silverware. A flat Coke is still a valid Coke, but it's best poured down the drain.
I will never take the host into my hands!
Excellent. Is it difficult to establish a mission chapel? The closest mission is 5 hours away.
Can you please bring SSPX to South Carolina
For those trying to return fully to tradition the best WE CAN do may just be in a church where the diocese allows Traditional Latin Mass
THANK YOU FR.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CLARITY REGARDING THE DIFFERENCES. NOW I HAVE IT.
Thank you.
One of my concerns about traditional groups bowing to the Vatican and agreeing to even a single Novus Ordo mass (on a regular basis, I assume) is the desecration of their sanctuaries, such as through Communion in the hand ceremonies.
Because Hosts are so fragile, especially around the edges, Communion in the hand (a common practice with Novus Ordo masses) results in thousands of fragments being scattered throughout the sanctuary and beyond. Though this is by far not the only sacrilege perpetrated during Novus Ordo masses, it’s quite serious all on its own. What could be worse than hundreds of the Faithful trampling underfoot the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord as they attend mass and participate in Holy Communion? How do we even begin to make reparation for the deliberate trampling the already far too abused body of Jesus?
They can try to disallow Communion in the hand, but most Novus Ordo “Catholics” have become so Protestantized, they no longer know how to be truly Catholic. This includes not knowing who and what Communion really is, and failing to show proper reverence and respect as a result. Novus Ordo masses breed disrespect and disbelief, but then I suspect that’s the whole point.
In short, you can’t allow even a single Novus Ordo mass without bringing some level of disrespect, if not outright desecration, to the sanctuary. I know because I was a Novus Ordo attending CINO (Catholic in Name Only) myself for over 20 years…until Jesus opened my eyes to the truth.
It makes me very glad the SSPX not only exists but also refuses to back down. You know you’re doing something right when the world hates and reviles you for standing with Jesus, and the long-held Tradition, Dogma and Doctrine of His Church.
Amen!
In my understanding, even tho they celebrate the novus ordo, the faithful that attend the mass is them that longing for the tradition, so that should not be a problem for them to impose the ban on communion on hand within their parish.
Not even a one modern faithful in their "right mind" will attend a mass in these traditional group, even when the mass is being offered in novus ordo rite. These traditional groups will try to make a novus ordo mass become more reverent more solemn in traditional term so it will be a big no for them the modernist who loves to hear piano or guitar or even drum during mass...
I suspect there will be soon some interesting discussions between ED communities and the SSPX. Clearly, they (the ED communities) tried the "compromised" way, and it failed. Will they eventually come to the right conclusions ?
Thank you very much for this series, it's an outstanding work and i learned so much from it ! Deo Gratias !
I agree with Father that the FSSP is on 2 boat that are moving further apart, however I don't believe they are just standing there. They are actively pulling people from one boat to the other. I believe, and hope that when they do inevitably fall into the water they will swim to the boat of tradition.
You know nothing about the FSSP. The FSSP criticized many of VCII. And they are saying that the Paul VI Mass is not 100% catholic.
It would really benefit people if you would post the Sunday sermon.
This is a great dialogue. It was clear and respectful. I learned a lot. I do think that the quotes attributed to Father Berg (24:50ish mark) are missing some context. I think his claim is that the way in which these novel concepts are reconciled with tradition is to weigh the novelty against clear and authoritative teaching of the Church and to just ignore the novelty. Father Berg quote from the Remnant article: "We forget that there is the extraordinary Magisterium, but also the ordinary Magisterium by which all things are measured. There is a danger of forgetting the full span of the Magisterium and giving greater theological weight to what was is said at a Wednesday audience than to what has been stated dogmatically at a given Ecumenical Council simply because it took place more than 1,000 years ago."
"As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church…In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." - Pope Benedict XVI
Thanks!
God bless you for this video ❤
I have been considering, seriously, moving to the SSPX; I have been attending the FSSP in recent years. This series has been the catalyst behind my thoughts, it is excellent!
Question: what is the difference, if any, between the SSPX and SSPX-MC?
Very interesting your question (for an episode of these series?).
As for me, the differences with “SSPX- MC” are: 1) the latter rejects all contact with the modernist roman authorities: this is not catholic, because the fact that they are modernists does not prevent them to emanate legitimate orders, like a canonical status if there is not any conditioning against the faith in it; 2) they consacrated Bishops but this time, unlike Mgr Lefebvre, without invoking any cause of justification, because nothing had changed in SSPX for that move (neither the doctrine, nor the health of the remaining Bishops).
Did Bishop Fellay cut a deal with Pope Benedict? (There is a picture of them shaking hands; Masonic in style.) Is this why the SSPX-MC formed?
@@josari7618 As far as I know, Msgr Williamson defends some unorthodox positions
I have been in an FSSP parish for three years, and what this priest is saying doesn't sound like my own experiences with the Fraternity or their teaching. Our priests are very clear that they are only to celebrate the Traditional Mass, and I have never seen or heard of any "novelties".
I do try to have an open mind, but the nearest SSPX chapel is in another city 60 mi from here, so I can't have an opinion based on experience. And going back to an NO parish is unthinkable.
I had a question regarding novus ordo priests in the Society. My spiritual father is one of these, but there are members of the Society who say that such priests are invalid, and in my parish some laymen avoid mass if a novus ordo priest is giving mass that day. What is the Society's stance on this issue. It causes a lot of division.
An excellent commentary on the uniting the clans! One cannot unite just on the basis of love towards TLM. Some Eastern Orthodox communities love TLM, and their priests celebrate it without mentioning Pope. In order to unite the traditional clans those clans should be fully Catholic. You can't unite traditional Catholics with the adherents of ecumenism and religious liberty. So, in order to unite with the ED communities, those communities should realize the errors of V2 , the mistakes of their founders and join the SSPX.
Exactly, we cannot unite with people who deny the very essence of what it means to be catholic, this is why all traditionalists should run away from SSPX, as they deny full obedience to the pope as defined in Vatican I: « *_Both clergy and faithful_*_ , of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, _*_are bound to submit_*_ to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this _*_not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government_*_ of the Church throughout the world._ »
One must answer simple questions:
Is Vatican II only a pastoral Council ? Yes/No
Given a charitable interpretation, does Vatican II teach errors in doctrine ? Yes/No
If Yes/Yes - then you are either mad or lack correct informations; if Yes/No, you are disobedient if you remain willingly in SSPX, and should join Ecclesia Dei communities instead; If No/Yes, you have lost Faith in the promise of Christ (Luke 22:32), then, says St Thomas Aquinas, you don't have faith but only a correct opinion about articles of the Faith; If No/No, then you should also join Ecclesia Dei.
@@Iesu-Christi-Servus,there were hidden heresies in the teachings of Vatican 2. And you can't run away from this fact. The Church has never taught some things about the faith and salvation before that council. If you agree with that, you can't seat between the two chairs, i.e. be a traditional Catholic and adherent of all teachings of Vatican 2. As for the Pope, will you follow him if he says that Christ is no God?
@@andysoshalski9761 These are serious accusations. You say there are 'hidden heresies', that's really a new concept I'm unaware of. It basically means, that Vatican II's documents can be interpreted as orthodox or as heretical, but you prefer giving a heretical interpretation. Wow, What a confession ! I remind you that giving a positive interpretation of orthodoxy to ambiguous statements is the charitable rule of interpretation, but giving a heretical one is the rule of schism, pride, hatred and division. If you lack the charitable rule, no doubt you could have sided with Arius in 325 in saying Nicaea was a heretical council, since St Athanasius used the word 'Consubstantial', which was initially a heretical term.
Since you had no specific examples to support your accusation of heresy, I will stick to your first comment; ecumenism and religious freedom.
The first, ecumenism, as intended by the Church, is simply a process of setting aside political and disciplinary elements properly external to the doctrine, and achieving Christian unity, by means of dialogue, in the same Catholic Faith.
Concerning the latter, religious liberty, two things ought to be distinguished: 1)the individual freedom of men to freely receive the Faith (which is an article of faith), has always been believed and taught by the Holy Catholic Church. 2)the political liberty to put or not to put social pressure to bring people to profess the Catholic faith, is a pastoral attitude, therefore has nothing to do with the doctrine of the Church. This is not the first time that the attitude of the Church changed on this matter. In the 17th century, the Church did away with penal enactments which had been passed in the Middle Ages under different circumstances, as the principles on which they rested, were no longer in force since the establishment of Protestants States in Europe.
On other issues, the Church changed its teachings on the definition of Mortal Sin and the practice of the sacrament of Penance; the change in practice of the sacrament of the Eucharist & the removal of one substance (Wine); tacit justification then condemnation of slavery; legitimization of the condition of the mendicant orders which was previously inadmissible; signing 'Concordats' while the Church issued teachings condemning the ideas of the French Revolution; Pope Leo XIII's call for French Catholics to rally the republic, etc.
Why is it no big deal ? - Because these things do not correspond with the requirements for valid infallible ex cathedra statements.
The problem with radical traditionalist circles, is that you've been hurt by Church abuses, and you don't understand properly the definition of papal infallibility in Vatican I. Read what Mgr Fessler writes about the Syllabus of errors:
« _Now it is true that the propositions of the Syllabus are designated in the title of the document as Errors of our time which the Holy Fathers have on different occasions denounced, _*_but then it is certain that many of the documents in which a special error is denounced, and from which the propositions are drawn, are not utterances ex cathedra._* » - _The True and the False Infallibility of the Popes, approved by St Pius IX_
I could give you a longer quote from his work to show the correctness of considering religious liberty defined in Vatican II as a pastoral approach, but this wouldn't be appropriate in this format, so I'll just invite you to read this work by yourself.
Peace be with you !
@@Iesu-Christi-Servus Vatican II has not any definition covered by extraordinary magisterium. The novelties (like religious liberty, etc) are not ordinary magisterium, that implies “moral consensus” AND attachment to perennial doctrine.
“Dignitatis humanae” contradicts explicitly the condemnation 79 of the Syllabus errorum and the teaching of always (Popes Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XI), then the previous infallible extraordinary and ordinary magisterium .
If you accept these errors even as an internal assent, you are not catholic (as objectively speaking, all the former Ecclesia Dei groups)
@@josari7618 I thank you for your accusation that I'm not catholic, it reminds me that my sinful soul was redeemed by Christ, and thus, I am unworthy to throw a condemnation back to you.
Good, you just agreed that the position on religious liberty is not magisterium! Magisterium is only about doctrines, which implies teachings about faith or moral. Therefore, religious liberty is only a pastoral approach (not doctrine), and thus can be changed by the authority of the Church. Your error comes from the fact that you blend some of the Church's disciplinarian laws with doctrine. Do you realize that the Church changed the definition of irremissible sin? If this change was considered a matter of discipline, and not of doctrinal nature (faith & moral), then how much more is the attitude towards the exercise of religious liberty only matter of discipline!
If you really read my second comment from top to down, you wouldn't be so assertive to imply that all the propositions of the syllabus of errors are infallible magisterium. The Syllabus condemns errors; now all heresies are errors, but not all errors are heresies - enormous nuance!
« He [Dr. Schulte] refers therein to the Syllabus. *Just as if all that the Syllabus refers to* is, for that very reason, i.e, because it is in the Syllabus, at once to be looked on *as a dogmatic definition on a matter of faith* . » - Mgr Fessler, Secretary-General for Vatican I, approved by St Pius IX
« What more do they [the syllabus propositions] require to give them every kind of force? *Are they to be turned into dogmas of faith ?* This is evidently Mr. Gladstone's notion, as it is that of the school of Janus. *But the propositions of the Syllabus are far from all of them capable of being pronounced heretical ; and to imagine this is to misconstrue the nature of the censure attached to them.*
[...]
It is tolerably clear that he [Mr.Gladstone] makes every proposition [of the syllabus] to be a universal negation, and its censure to be that of heresy, and that the condemnation bears in all cases upon every part of each proposition. *It is the propensity of ignorance to generalize whatever comes from an unacceptable source, and to distort its meaning out of the proportions of truth* ; and on Catholic subjects Mr. Gladstone is very ignorant. » - Mgr Ullathorne, part-taker of Vatican I Council
« I know many honest Protestants think, that whatever the Church defines, she defines as of faith ; that the eighty condemned propositions are eighty heresies in the eyes of Rome, and the eighty contradictories so many articles of faith. *This is a misconception.* Opinions may be censured as heretical, or as approaching to heresy, or as dangerous, or as offensive to pious ears, or as erroneous, etc.
[...]
Some of the errors condemned are heresies ; many rest on atheistical principles ; while some are historical falsehoods, coined for the purpose of leading the faithful away from the guidance of the Church of Christ.
[...]
The next ride to be borne in mind, in order not to stumble in reading the Syllabus, is one that needs a touch of elementary logic to be understood. It is thus conveyed : “ When a proposition is pronounced false, its contradictory is declared to be true ; *its contrary may be, or may not be, true.* ” » -The Syllabus for the people, 1875
Considering these elements, the door should be open to consider religious liberty as a non-doctrinal, pastoral matter, which is fallible, and prudential.
Now, the condemnation of the seventy-ninth proposition only teaches that liberty of publishing any sentiments, however libellous, blasphemous and immoral they may be, tends to the corruption of morals. Where exactly does 'Dignitatis humanae' denies that ? It is true that the text is itself ambiguous, but it does not intend to promote religious liberty in the sense of professing error. What I understand from 'Dignitatis Humane', given a charitable interpretation, is that it wants to secure as a civil right the individual freedom to religious belief according to one's conscience, but it reminds that it is a duty to worship God, and liberty is exercised within limits, " _every man has the duty, and therefore the right, to seek the truth in matters religious in order that he may with prudence form for himself right and true judgments of conscience, under use of all suitable means._ "
Could you provide a source on the fssp concelebrating the novus ordo? I know that is a possibikity in the fiture but cant fjnd anywhere stating they already have in the past
"Living Tradition" as AB-Used to day does mean constant changing of doctrine but you will find this exact phrase in Pre-Conciliar documents and writings. In these writings "Living Tradition" means that Tradition is not Dead and Buried but that it is "Living" in the sense that that SAME Ancient Tradition is being passed on through the "guardians of Tradition" the successors of the Apostles. So we must Re-Take that term and not concede it to the modernists.
If IBP and FSSP priests want back to SSPX is it possible?;)
We need an SSPX in Green Lake WI.
Please pray for our 2 priest in hospital with Covid & the one left to say all Masses & administer the Sacraments. He was not allowed to visit the 2 sick priests. They are priests of an independent chapel.
Is not what preferred is what’s is right 🙏✝️
I would like to know your status in 2022, in the Church, after the August consistory..
the question is is where does the trail of apostolic succession lead, who is a legitimately ordained priest, who actually administers the sacraments, actually by gods grace.