Correction: NVIDIA's chart says either it is 10dBA quieter at the same temperature (thermal-normalized) or 20C cooler at the same noise level (noise normalized). Sorry to mix that up, but that's what we get when we have 6 hours of technical briefings and 24 hours to turn around the content! Watch our initial news coverage of the RTX 30 series: ua-cam.com/video/UUGj3gCf3sg/v-deo.html Or our coverage of the custom RTX 30 cards: ua-cam.com/video/7puH-8aCfBY/v-deo.html Grab a GN toolkit here! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit
As soon as I saw that reference cooler design I was thinking Mac Pro. 3 tunnels to separate PSU, GPU and CPU. Each has it own's intake and exhaust, and it is not obstructed. Might be as simple as using pieces of perspex in your existing case to separate these?
Thanks so much! We're really excited about the next few months. There's an insane amount of testing to do, but some really fun content opportunities and great opportunities for technology research!
@@GamersNexus It’s a shame some other channels accepted NVidia’s offer of early access and all of the “constraints” on their coverage that likely entailed. Waaay too close to a commercial masquerading as a review. UA-cam recommended a few of those videos and I’ve told the algorithm to not show me recommendations from those channels anymore. I’m happy to stick to GN and those I know that won’t compromise their standards to get early access or have a better relationship with the manufacturers.
Gamers Nexus - just picked up your toolkit. I’m a sucker for a set a screwdrivers and if it’s coming from you guys I know it’ll be top quality. Keep up the good work fellas!
Watching this has genuinely made me so happy and excited for the upcoming videos. I'm planning a build too so all the learning and test data will be great fun to put into practice
Oh, yaah. The Strix f.e. looks straight up cheap and all the others also went the rainbow road way. Nah, it's FE regardless for me. Cheaper as well. Not worth the upmark for RGB and a few % gain.
@@GamersNexus I also love my toolkit. The only problem I have with it is that the screws holding my cpu in are torx for some reason so I had to go out and by something for that.
Ironically Steve cited Louis Rossman on that part, who in turn was tilted when he saw a video of Jay of JayzTwoCents "soldering" a resistor on with a cheap iron and magically getting it to work.
jeah but that wont work on pc pcbs xD he just cutted out things like movment controls and stuff like that, that you really dont need for a portable console xD
@@daumen3226 Don't kid yourself on the crazy things that can happen. A long time ago a buddy of mine had knocked off a resistor from his motherboard trying to get the video card out but the resistor was gone. The computer wouldn't boot with that missing. For S&G he put a blob of metallic TIM between the gaps and said how much you want to bet this works? I said no effing way that is going to work. It worked...
@@Stubbies2003 I remember taking a graphite pencil to the Duron CPUs when you wanted to change the clock multiplier to overclock it ..... The CPU was locked but by adding a fake resistor with a pencil you could up the multiplier one or two ticks ..... If it wasn't stable you just erase the fake resistor ......
Just ordered the toolkit. You guys handsdown do your research and obtain high quality merch for your brand. Loved the mouse mat and similarly themed shirt. Sure I'll enjoy this as well. To those reading, patreon is also a great way to join a helpful and knowledgeable discord community and support the world class work these guys do.
The huge commitment in producing accurate and real-world relevant results of this channel is admirable. You and the good folks down under at Hardware Unboxed always deliver. Never change!
Steve: "Frankly these are like 700-1400 dollar cards. If you're using a stock cooler at that point you need to stop, cause it's causing you other issues anyway" My Wraith Prism Cooler: Nervous sweating intensifies
21:18 Point B. I have a M.2 below the GPU (ASUS Strix 1080 Ti) and the hot air it is dumping onto it keep its Temperature so high, so that it constantly throttles. Thats also why im looking forward to the new 3080 Founders Cooler.
Stick a heatsink on the M.2 and it should still stay cooler even with "Hot" air blowing on it. Exhaust Air is rarely more than a few degrees above ambient, where component temps are excessively high relative to ambient, so as long as you can catch airflow the chips will be cooled effectively no matter how many components the air has been through.
@@budthecyborg4575 Even with a heatsink over time it should get saturated and end up with the same thermals. You can add mass to soak up heat but if it can't dissipate quicker nothing will change except the time it takes to reach X degrees. Maybe that would help with certain workloads or if the heatsink has lots of fins, but from what I've seen M.2 heatsinks rarely work well even without a GPU blowing on them.
@@MrMattumbo I found around 20-30 degree difference with the stock Asus heatsink (with drive installed straight behind the GPU). Definitely moved it away from throttle territory. At least for shorter loads which are more realistic for a primarily OS drive.
From that Nvidia chart at 4:40 it looks like the RTX 3080 will just "chill" (for the people used to the Fahrenheit scale) under load at 80º with the fans set for 30 dBA, while the rest of us who like to see normal temperatures of 60-65º Celsius from our GPU will have to settle for turbofan noises at 50+ dBA.
EXACTLY my thoughts. That is what actually scares me from getting a RTX 3080 FE. I am so spoiled from my MSI RTX 2080 SUPER GAMING X TRIO. Never above 67°C (in summer ;normally 59-65 under heavy load) and always < 30 dB(A). THAT is efficiency at its finest. Guess I have to wait for a custom card then .. sad
@@HitokiriShin Why would you need it at 60 degrees tho? These cards are perfectly capable of running around 75 degrees. My Zotac 1080 card, below 60 is the idle temp where the fans don't even spin.
Not to be that guy, but i remember a few years ago when i stumbled across your channel with a measly 1500 subscribers, and after seeing how thorough and well put together your videos were, i knew for certain that this channel would be huge. Low and behold, you are now one of the most prominent computer hardware channels on UA-cam. Good job, seriously. I wish i would have invested into Steve stocks.
When you are testing, please look at when the GPU is in an upright position, as when on a testbench or in a desktop - and when the GPU is in a vertical position as in the Silverstone FT cases or inverted as in the Silverstone Temjin cases. In all those scenarios it would help immensely if the through fan could run in the other direction so that air would flow away from the CPU cooler and not directly into the feed of the CPU cooler. Or can perhaps the fan be turned over?
If the fan is flipped it would feed hot air straight into the other fan that’s pushing air out the IO shield. You want the fans on the card to blow the same way so one of them doesn’t feed hot exhaust air into the other.
I find the curve of the blades very strange, and I'm wondering if it will be a reversible fan, to account for some scenarios were that could be useful.
It looks to me that most "partner design" coolers just blow all the energy into the case in all directions. Recirculated and eventually reach some case exhaust. At least the new FE cooler pushes part of the total energy out directly through the IO panel, and the rest has a more focused direction instead of going all directions. So perhaps it can perform better for the CPU because of less recirculation in and around the graphics card itself, so the hot air flows better instead of being re-heated again at GPU before going out. /*positive thinking/hoping*/
@@alexthompson353 as Smash said, normal coolers raise the ambient air temperature in the case anyway, I doubt that the fact the 3080 is blowing directly on to the CPU heat sync will make much difference in the grand scheme of things. At least it's also exhausting half the heat out the back of the case.
This is exactly why PC designs are almost universally awful. The air just gets re-circulated. See the Mac Pro for an example of how to do much more integrated and clever cooling.
I just want the same thing as for every cooler. A Temperature that doesn't throttle and no loud turbine. What's also important: A good pre-programmed Fancurve. My ASUS Strix 1080 Ti had no hysteresis. It's Fans started and stopped spinning constantly in idle.
propeldragon Think of a food you hate. Now I’m going to tell you that I’ve been eating that food for years, so that means you don’t hate it anymore; now, you like it. Does that make sense to you?
My Strix 1080Ti is fine. My fans don't even think about moving until about 50 or 60 degrees. My Strix 970 and 980 were both fine too. Maybe your issue lies elsewhere.
Let me just take a second and thank you for not killing my valuable time with ads. You sir, are a real hero. Gonna grab a kit for that reason alone. Thanks 👍
@@wfjackson3 well it's definitely something I would love to contribute to in some fashion. If you ever get tired of the extra talking, I'd be willing to listen.
weeeell.. the few waterblocks i have seen so far are for reference design anyway, and not founders ^^' To be honest, the vertical 12 pin socket would look ugly on a 1 slot watercooled GPU
Steve, really excited for you folks to get your hands on the new lineup and all its variants. And it was awesome meeting you and shooting the breeze at LTX 2019 :)
@@zahirkhan778 I feel your pain, building my first pc since 2008 (15 year old and wife both have new ones) the only thing I lack is a gpu. Luckily, I have a friend who told me he would sell me his old 1050ti for 30 bucks to get me by in case I can't find one
I'd love a gamers nexus toolkit but, unfortunately, I'm really really saving money right now. Nvidia is releasing a new generation of GPU's, you see...
Steve, could you also consider testing this card Vertically? With the new fan orientation I’m curious how it will perform. Using the CableMod Bracket in the 011 Dynamic.. so it isn’t pressed against the glass like most other cases. Thanks!
Yeah I was wondering if a vertical mounted one might blow to much warm air directly at parts of the motherboard that won't like it - especially on boards like B550 without mobo fans. This might be ok assuming a front case fan is also blowing cold air at roughly the same place, but definitely worth a look.
I'm probably going to move my CPU cooler to the top in exhaust config, and add front intake fans in my o11. I don't think I can add an exhaust fan at the back so it'll have to do
Super happy about the new tools including the label visible through the overmold. After medium use the old ones would wear off, so that's the only thing it was missing. Well done.
Can't wait for actual Ampere testing and review video from GN, I somehow feel these cards will be very interesting regarding price/performance ratio...
The scenario where a high end GPU is associated with a stock CPU cooler (and a high end CPU) actually happens more than it should, typically when companies buy computers for their employees.
I love your channel and I love how you're very realistic with what you are reviewing. You are not a biased person and I can appreciate that. There are too many Fanboys in the world already. And some channels (I won't mention any of them) are very bent on certain brand names. So thank you very much for your pure content 👍
Hi Steve . Two quick questions on specifically the 3080 and 3090 cooler designs affecting chipset temps in vertical GPU mounts. 1. How will it affect exhausting hot air onto chipsets in a vertical configuration ? Up to now , we where recommended to use vertical GPU mounts that position the GPU further from the side-panel glass , and thus closer to the motherboard . What would have the most impact on performance on the system ? A> Closer to the glass panel possibly starving the GPU of air (Normal GPU mount) B> Closer to the motherboard , exhausting hot air onto the Chipset (GPU Bracket that moves the graphics card further away from the glass panel) 2. Will different chipset configurations also be affected differently ? X570 active cooling with mini fans vs X570 , B550 and Intel motherboards with passive cooling for example ? Thanks for giving us the quality consistent answers :)
Hey Steve, I would actually be curious to see how the 3080/3090 perform with a stock intel/AMD cooler. Not because it's a realistic usage scenario, but _because_ they are really crappy coolers already barely able to keep up with the CPUs they ship with. In which case, if a 3080 does indeed worsen the intake/ambient temperature of the CPU, these will be the first coolers to show it in tests. They won't be able to absorb any extra BTUs in soak, or hide small temperature changes in tenths of a degree. If an intel 10900 with a stock cooler is still able to post the same performance with a 3080 in the system, then any $40, $50, $60, or $100 CPU cooler would simply shrug off any contribution from the 3080 cooler. And if they _can't_ , well that would still be informative to anyone running a SFF with a low profile CPU cooler, without GamersNexus having to run a bunch of low profile coolers in a bunch of extra SFF cases.
Most SFF cases that are actually good usually have a layout where it's not possible for the CPU cooler to intake any GPU exhaust air or can be configured that way depending on how the airflow path is set up.
I was going to get a 3080 and a mid-range Zen 3 CPU with the stock cooler. I can see the concern with this new fan design, but why is that unrealistic in general? For gaming at 1440p+, it seems like there isn't all that much benefit in getting a high-end CPU; if I were buying a Zen 2, I'd get a 3600.
The confidence instilled by your integrity & thoroughness is genuinely unparalleled in tech journalism. I hope people don’t discount the importance of the work you guys do, and I cannot wait for this fall and the deluge of content from your team - lay it on thicc, Steve!
Steve + Gamers Nexus Team, Long time listener; first time commenter. *Excellent* video. Top notch (as always) but what set this one apart from the rest was my audible, "YES!! Can't wait to learn!!" following the intro. *Very* much looking forward to the videos to come. Keep up the excellent work!
I don't know if you went in the videos back far enough (you should) to know this, but we generally call Steve "tech Jesus". We also sometimes refer to his cat as the general manager.
Both the founder and custom cards appear to have a back plate cutout for fan exhaust. How will this affect vertical GPU mounting where it would be exhausting hot air right onto the motherboard chipset?
My Ryzen 5 3600X runs fine @ 34 oC with default cooler, near GTX 1080 GPU. It jumps to 50 oC when in heavy use. If I buy a stock Nvidia 3080,that hot air will go straight into CPU cooler ... this cannot be good. I'd have to build a air flow baffle .. or demand Nvidia make one .
@@fatihuyan9780 All stock air cooler are good for is: A. Increasing the amount of metal that ends up in your local landfill B. Making your local bank teller say to you "Computer is being slow today" because her bank gave her some POS Dell slimline to work with
I think a most representative test for comparing the FE cooler vs a more typical axial cooler would be a test with 2 cases: one high airflow and one with worse airflow with glass, and 2 cpu coolers: high end air cooler and water cooler in exhaust, as a low end cooler doesn't really fit much on a 3080 build. Of course, people will always complain about a certain setup, but that mostly cover the most common ones.
I watched every minute of this video and I find myself watching more and more of your in depth videos form beginning to end and now often watching them more than once. If I may, I do have a quesiton that I cannot find an answer to anywhere. Does this generation of founders edition gpu's have proper fan cantrol, for instance can you put them to zero fan mode when your just watching Gamers Nexus youtube videos? This would be awesome and negate the need to pay excorbitant prices for AIB partner cards just to use that feature. Thanks again for the great content.
Great summary of the challenges Steve. One thing not mentioned in the video that I hope you'll consider but just didn't have time to talk about, vertically mounting these GPU's. Seems the "flow-through" fan will be dumping it's heat directly onto the motherboard's chipset, which I'm sorta surprised buildzoid didn't mention....
Hey Steve.Could you do a video about stock availability of the cards when they come out and your take on it? There are a lot of rumors on the web , some say its propably a paper launch and people will not even get them until end of the year while others say that they are propably just unavailable for some weeks. Would be great if you had more infos about the matter.
Yes I want to know how much I should expect to wait, I've been rocking an RX580 and I really want to upgrade to a 3070 before 2021, but I also expect to be disappointed. (At least there's a chance the used 20XX market will become reasonable though)
Hey man I got the numbers, things aren't looking good 3000 series launch stocks are a little bit lower than amd's vega launch numbers that's probably because samsung's 8nm yields sucks ass it will be near impossible to get your hands on one
sometimes i see people say steve talks fast, sometimes i put the video at 1.25 to get all the juicy info in faster. and then i watch it 3 more times cuz i just love them videos
Really looking forward to that! NVIDIA is making big claims about OC support by the cooler. It'll be fun to see if they have our kind of overclocking in mind.
I just found this channel after doing some research on newegg in preparation for a new PC build. It's been a few years since I looked at PC hardware and I was puzzled when I found that almost every PC case has tempered glass in the design. Glad to know my bewilderment was justified after coming here and seeing you dumping on the case companies.
@@xronos_exe Im getting a 750 w, im pretty sure when nividia give their recommendations its usually overkill. But also depends if you are overclocking your parts
Simple solution: bottom+rear intake, top exhaust. Done. If you're super worried about your memory sticks you can always print a shroud/duct and add a dedicated fan in the front.
Normal highend cooler will put all the hear to the case. This will push some of that heat out of the case using that other cooler, while the other push it to the case. So in there this should be better than most aib coolers, but without testing, it is just a theory!
Yes, unfortunately a lot of viewers are struggling to understand things as they are presented. Definitely feels like he needs to make things easier to digest for some people. If you pay attention to his other videos then you would know that they recommend a good CLC AIO and they recommend equipping your high airflow case with the fans it needs to perform as best as it possibly can. If you look at the airflow diagram that image shows what equates to a stock case with two front fans, and an exhaust. Now if you aren't planning to cheap out on your build you will do what I am doing which is making sure I have fans for wherever the case manufacturer neglects to include them (the case I want doesn't actually come with fans).
You say the Ryzen cooler is "fine but not that good", but as far as I can tell we haven't seen the Wrath coolers in any of your updated cooler tests. Are we going to see and budget/stock cooler tests soon so we can compare them to the high end coolers?
Why tho? the coolers are ment to get you started nothing more than that. You should buy something else when you can. Almost any tower cooler is better than stock. Like Steve also said, you dont pair an expensive card with a stock cooler. So the content you are asking for is useless imo. Just get a new cooler.
DFTW stands for Dumb Fucking Toothless Wonder, and you know nothing about Wraith Coolers. Live the idiots that want to come out and play... You obviously fell for the mind meld.
I hope not, it'd be a waste of time. We all know that they aren't that good. Only the most fanboy of AMD fanboys would say otherwise, and who cares what they think anyway? Even if presented with data, they'll just insist the testing was wrong and/or the reviewer is a shill. EDIT: arose001 right above me proving my point already.
@@arose001 I've built 8 ryzen systems since zen 2 launched. There's no reason at all to use the stock cooler, especially on the 3700x/3900x... They're worthless coolers and I'd only use them to test if a system works. They can't handle the chips at full load or with any PBO... Don't even need to give benches for that. You should just know that. The wraith stealth on zen 2 is garbage, 3600 will hit 76c in a high airflow case (p500, NR600, full tower cases etc.) with the stealth. Which is uh. Not very good. I wouldn't even want to turn on PBO and see it hit far higher. Now imagine putting the 3600 with stock cooler in a choked off case. It hits 76c in an optimal setup, 3 intake 2 exhaust, high airflow low ambient (20-21c) what would it hit in a worse scenario?
@@masterdftw4983 The coolers are meant to cool the cpu at stock clocks, which is good enough if you don't plan to overclock the CPU. As someone that doesn't overclock my cpu, I'd like to see data behind these claims of "you need to use a better cpu cooler to use with an expensive gpu".
It is currently hard to find an up-to-date video about best practices when building a PC on an airflow case. This came close to it during the PC case section and was super nice. Is there any chance of you making an up-to-date video about where to position your case fans, what are the appropriate speeds for your case fans and why? Especially now since it seems many people will be making new PCs to accommodate the new GPUs.
naftaLi every two or three generation is good timetable for upgrades if you really need to have very highend atuff. Most people keep the same gpu 5 years before upgrading, so your 2070 will be fine Many years.
I think I'll stick with my 1080Ti until the 4080. The 3080 will struggle at 4k in some titles. I'll make the costly move to 4k when 60fps isn't a struggle on ultra settings :)
To prevent confusion you could say standard voltages and clock speeds rather than lower. I think it better gets across the idea of what voltages and clock speeds are out of the box without the negative connotations of lower.
I have an SL600M case with 4 200mm fans (bottom intake, top exhast), plus a vertically mounted D-15 exhausting upwards. This cooler design seems really interesting for good GPU temps, but with a 3900x, I would love to see some testing in vertical intake/exhaust style cases to see just how bad CPU thermals would get. This is of course assuming more heat energy radiates directly into the CPU cooler's premises, and not out the PCIE slots or towards the front of the case.
i can hear ifixit shaking their fists from here that they couldn't sponsor this video. In all seriousness though, as a lover of watercooling, i'm more interested in finding out what blocks will be available for what near launch, what performs best, etc. i've got the shaky trigger finger constantly refreshing everything to be informed as fast as possible about who releases what when and at what price. I freaking love release season. Nerd adrenaline, engage.
@@GamersNexus Awesome! I saw ekwb release info on their blocks for the reference boards. My fingers are crossed hoping the founders board blocks will come soon as well. Part of me would want something like aorus offers with more than one hdml 2.1 port on the 3090, but the other part of me would rather have one 12 pin connector over three 8 pins. The performance numbers will be a big deciding factor on which direction to go.
This whole fe not being reference pcb is incredibly annoying water block wise. I want the fe and it’s small size, but it looks like all the blocks are gonna be reference design (which the fe isn’t for the first time)
It's too bad that a lot of "professional builders" are not aware of what you were just talking... Just placing a tons of fans inside (usually RGB) and not accounting for airflow and pressure in the case.... That's why your channel is one of my favorite tech ones ;) your info is always correct!
I would like to know...since Intel is slow getting pci-x 4.0 support out there, I have PC with Intel Z390/i9-9900K which only has pci-x 3.0. Seeing the new RTX 3000 series supports pci-x 4.0, will us Intel users be left in the dust in terms of "cheap" upgrade path and run into bottlenecking with the RTX3090, while AMD users striking gold with already having pci-x 4.0 support on recent builds? Or will it only affect loading times with because of direct ssd access features?
you get to buy RTX 2080Ti for sub 500 usd when the RTX3000 series comes out... you'll only realistically be missing out on DX12 exclusive titles that would probably require RTX enabled cards (but if they have built-in RTX OFF function, then it's all good)...
you could always reverse your tower cooler fan. have the back fan blow into the cpu fan fresh air which is also blowing towards the front of the case, and have the front fan blowing out the hopefully mesh front lol. if you have 3 front fans you could have the top 2 blowing out and the bottom one sucking in towards the gpu intake. and if you have top fans too, you could make the one closest to the back suck in having the fresh air get caught in the crosswind going into the cpu cooler and the one closest to the front blowing out which would take some of the cpu coolers exhaust and gpus air with it since the gpus exhaust blows straight up anyway. the front top exhaust is just to catch any remainder heat and keep air moving fast over the ram.
@@Voldwyce depende de tu psu por lo menos una 700watts para estás tranquilo pero si vas a oc tu gpu no sabría decirte necesito ver pruebas y rendimiento
@@anthonyXXXD1 Eso lo se gracias, seguramente pille una de 850w mi duda es si este diseño de airflow afectará a las temperaturas de ram, m.2 superior y la cpu, pues saca el aire caliente hacía esos componentes.
@@Voldwycedepende si tú case tiene buena ventilación más extra fans que si ayudan a bajar las temperaturas debería estar bien pero lo que a mí me preocupa es el bottleneck que pueda tener debido al poder mounstroso de las nuevas gpu
@@avenshmit66 is that right? 🤔 I can see what you're saying, though. Kinda like in engineering where they often talk about a length in "mils", rather than "millimetres". Although a teacher would more likely say the full thing
@@AntneeUK I'm actually an engineer, and you're exactly right about the mils!! Decibels are used a lot on electrical engineering as well, so we say debee all the time :)
@@avenshmit66 my family are engineers, but the "deebee" thing annoys me 😁 My grandad was a legendary engineer. I've done my time on CNCs (Bridgeports) but am in software and web systems engineering now. And yes, I know "proper" engineers don't like it when we call ourselves engineers 😁
Nothing I love more than Steve's cold hard data, every time there's a review. It comes with pure data to back up claims and show what really happens, something that really helps the community.
Yeah I'm going to be watching the reviews with interest. My case had crappy thermals as it is and I don't want to install a 3080 and find it makes them worse. I really like the look of the FE cards but I'll definitely go third party if the thermals on air are an issue.
I think the new cooler design on the Ampere FE cards looks like it can be perfect for the Lian Li O11D case where you can put the exhaust fans on the side. If you then mount the GPU vertically, the hot air from the card will go straight out with the side fans on the case.
the new RTX build's fundamental design is similar to what i been thinking about. using and cramp all GPU processing element (VRM, memories, core) in small dimension of PCB, and use the rigid chassis as the bed to the whole card build instead of the PCB. so the extra dimension of the GPU card's chassis can be used to hold cooling units. and that small PCB of the new RTX is similar by size to upgradable GPU card for customizable laptops. makes it simple for GPU manufacturer to market the same card for laptop too. besides the VRM differences probably.
Correction: NVIDIA's chart says either it is 10dBA quieter at the same temperature (thermal-normalized) or 20C cooler at the same noise level (noise normalized). Sorry to mix that up, but that's what we get when we have 6 hours of technical briefings and 24 hours to turn around the content!
Watch our initial news coverage of the RTX 30 series: ua-cam.com/video/UUGj3gCf3sg/v-deo.html
Or our coverage of the custom RTX 30 cards: ua-cam.com/video/7puH-8aCfBY/v-deo.html
Grab a GN toolkit here! store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit
You literally put me to sleep
Matthew Perkins your sister Ann is pretty hot. Can I get her number?
As soon as I saw that reference cooler design I was thinking Mac Pro. 3 tunnels to separate PSU, GPU and CPU. Each has it own's intake and exhaust, and it is not obstructed. Might be as simple as using pieces of perspex in your existing case to separate these?
I don't really care about how this card exhausts air because i can't afford it anyway!
just adjusted my case so my intake fans arnt just decorative now theyre able to pull in air. crazy right ?
2:39
Steve: We have NOT taken one apart yet.
Steve's hand: *fidgets"
lol, people who try to read body language are always amusing in these comments!
@@GamersNexus You know you want it lol
Gamers Nexus *yoda voice* mmmhmmrr impatience I sense in you master Burke.
Sounds like we're "screwed"
Hahaha I never would have noticed this
Man the content that is to come is going to be great , i love this Chanel , it’s like a daily tv show Good job Steve
Thanks so much! We're really excited about the next few months. There's an insane amount of testing to do, but some really fun content opportunities and great opportunities for technology research!
Gamers Nexus You might want to see this video of nvidia engineer talking about the rtx 2000 series
ua-cam.com/video/2upZSyQHwNA/v-deo.html
@@GamersNexus It’s a shame some other channels accepted NVidia’s offer of early access and all of the “constraints” on their coverage that likely entailed. Waaay too close to a commercial masquerading as a review. UA-cam recommended a few of those videos and I’ve told the algorithm to not show me recommendations from those channels anymore. I’m happy to stick to GN and those I know that won’t compromise their standards to get early access or have a better relationship with the manufacturers.
Gamers Nexus - just picked up your toolkit. I’m a sucker for a set a screwdrivers and if it’s coming from you guys I know it’ll be top quality. Keep up the good work fellas!
Watching this has genuinely made me so happy and excited for the upcoming videos. I'm planning a build too so all the learning and test data will be great fun to put into practice
Almost more excited for the upcoming intensive round of videos from you guys, than the actual GPU release.
Yeah, I'm the same. Is it really wrong though?
We have SO many plans. Time will be a real enemy!
@@GamersNexus Please send Buildzoid One, for "testing" *laughs in soldering iron*
The rotating Titans on the glass was gorgeous!!!
Thanks! Andrew did that shot.
@@GamersNexus I agree, Andrew Patrick is an Artist with the Camera
Turing gangs reaction to Nvidia. ua-cam.com/video/VCNhzBB2aMU/v-deo.html .
I would like to rotate your titans on the glass
After seeing the most models from other brands, the FE still the best looking card in my opinion.
This might just be the first time I get a FE instead of a partner card.
Yea, I usually skip Fe but the 3080 looks good
Oh, yaah. The Strix f.e. looks straight up cheap and all the others also went the rainbow road way. Nah, it's FE regardless for me. Cheaper as well. Not worth the upmark for RGB and a few % gain.
@jt thorsson Online from Nvidia's website. Or Amazon.
EVGA really fucked up their cards looks. They look, weird
Got one of your mouse mats recently and I will say
I'll probably get more of y'all's products in the future
Love the content you guys give out
Thanks for the support and glad you like it!
I second this. Got my mouse mat about 10 days ago. Eyeing up a mod mat for future purchase.
@@GamersNexus thoughts on an rgb version for the mouse mats? yk to give an fps boost ofc
@@GamersNexus I also love my toolkit. The only problem I have with it is that the screws holding my cpu in are torx for some reason so I had to go out and by something for that.
How is the mat? I was thinking about getting it myself.
08:28 "Because you can't just take scissors to a PCB and have it still work"
Tell that to the portable Wii that Linus covered on his channel!
Ironically Steve cited Louis Rossman on that part, who in turn was tilted when he saw a video of Jay of JayzTwoCents "soldering" a resistor on with a cheap iron and magically getting it to work.
jeah but that wont work on pc pcbs xD he just cutted out things like movment controls and stuff like that, that you really dont need for a portable console xD
@@daumen3226 Don't kid yourself on the crazy things that can happen. A long time ago a buddy of mine had knocked off a resistor from his motherboard trying to get the video card out but the resistor was gone. The computer wouldn't boot with that missing. For S&G he put a blob of metallic TIM between the gaps and said how much you want to bet this works? I said no effing way that is going to work. It worked...
@@Stubbies2003 I remember taking a graphite pencil to the Duron CPUs when you wanted to change the clock multiplier to overclock it ..... The CPU was locked but by adding a fake resistor with a pencil you could up the multiplier one or two ticks ..... If it wasn't stable you just erase the fake resistor ......
@@longjohn526 wtf that's hilarious 😆
Just ordered the toolkit. You guys handsdown do your research and obtain high quality merch for your brand. Loved the mouse mat and similarly themed shirt. Sure I'll enjoy this as well. To those reading, patreon is also a great way to join a helpful and knowledgeable discord community and support the world class work these guys do.
Thanks for supporting so much, and really happy to hear that you like the mouse mat and shirt! We worked hard on the designs.
The huge commitment in producing accurate and real-world relevant results of this channel is admirable. You and the good folks down under at Hardware Unboxed always deliver. Never change!
Hammer on box?
@@Harddiskfail :)
Harbour unbox*
No.. Hardvard Unboxed
Just show me what these cards can do with Microsoft Flight sim at full settings, the rest is just kiddie nonsense.
Your upload schedule is keeping me on my toes
Clock: it's 4AM
Literally nobody:
GN: gogogoogogogogo
@@GamersNexus it's 4am
GN: benchmarking how hot the mod mat can go
@@GamersNexus much love man
@@GamersNexus When it's 4am for you, it's 6pm for me, so please keep going with the 4am uploads Steve. 😁👍
@@thepolticalone961 idk I saw a review on the mod mat. It was excellent. I recommend checking it out.
: When you test the card use some smoke to visualize the air flow. That might look great.
I love how Steve's notes he uses for himself are always the length of full novels.
"We have not taken one apart" the anxious taping on the table indicates you can't wait till you do.
"You can't just take Scissors to a pcb and still have it work at the end unless your maybe Louis Rossman" XD
Say what you will about Louis, he knows his business. :-P
If you thought the 2060 was hard to open.....
Litterally my first impression of the cooler design
Yeah as soon as I saw the lack of externally accessible screws I thought "uh oh". Hopefully it isn't actually too hard to disassemble lol.
Ours too! It'll be a fun video, at least!
@@GamersNexus Disassembling RTX 3090: The Feature Length Movie
@@GamersNexus My sort of content as im pretty on top of keeping vents clear and such. Looking forward for sure!
@@GamersNexus why don't you put the THICC 2 in the shelf behind you it's (beautiful).
Steve: "Frankly these are like 700-1400 dollar cards. If you're using a stock cooler at that point you need to stop, cause it's causing you other issues anyway"
My Wraith Prism Cooler: Nervous sweating intensifies
Why do I feel like Nvidia's idea of "improving the screw count" will be to increase it?
mjc0961 or replaced screws with nuts&bolts
@@Mr00Ted A few tacks should be enough
given the more exposed heatsinks rather than aesthetic panels, i bet it will go down.
replaced all screws with superglue
0:38 I appreciate the render demonstrating how the new cooler transforms blue lasers into spaghetti.
I too want laser spaghetti!
Introducing the New nVIDIA RTX3080 Pasta Maker, How much of your Spaghetti do you want to NOT have RayTracing?
a smoke-flow-test inside a case would be nice to see with a 3080 ^^
Can't wait for the fight to the death when AMD makes their move, I hope AMD does have something good to fight nvidia.
Yep, so prices can drop even further.
Competition is good for everyone.
@@jerryt87 thats what we want 🙂
Likely won't see good competition on the high end.
@@tacticalcenter8658 Of course not. AMD only invests in #1 Scoring the Bronze Medal since the Radeon 6950, and #2 paying kids to comment bomb for them
Love how Rossmann is always referred to as though he's a magician! lol.. Kinda true though!
21:18 Point B. I have a M.2 below the GPU (ASUS Strix 1080 Ti) and the hot air it is dumping onto it keep its Temperature so high, so that it constantly throttles.
Thats also why im looking forward to the new 3080 Founders Cooler.
Agreed.
Stick a heatsink on the M.2 and it should still stay cooler even with "Hot" air blowing on it. Exhaust Air is rarely more than a few degrees above ambient, where component temps are excessively high relative to ambient, so as long as you can catch airflow the chips will be cooled effectively no matter how many components the air has been through.
@@budthecyborg4575 Even with a heatsink over time it should get saturated and end up with the same thermals. You can add mass to soak up heat but if it can't dissipate quicker nothing will change except the time it takes to reach X degrees. Maybe that would help with certain workloads or if the heatsink has lots of fins, but from what I've seen M.2 heatsinks rarely work well even without a GPU blowing on them.
@@MrMattumbo I found around 20-30 degree difference with the stock Asus heatsink (with drive installed straight behind the GPU). Definitely moved it away from throttle territory. At least for shorter loads which are more realistic for a primarily OS drive.
Add a watercooler on that SSD bro!
From that Nvidia chart at 4:40 it looks like the RTX 3080 will just "chill" (for the people used to the Fahrenheit scale) under load at 80º with the fans set for 30 dBA, while the rest of us who like to see normal temperatures of 60-65º Celsius from our GPU will have to settle for turbofan noises at 50+ dBA.
EXACTLY my thoughts. That is what actually scares me from getting a RTX 3080 FE.
I am so spoiled from my MSI RTX 2080 SUPER GAMING X TRIO.
Never above 67°C (in summer ;normally 59-65 under heavy load) and always < 30 dB(A).
THAT is efficiency at its finest.
Guess I have to wait for a custom card then .. sad
@@HitokiriShin Why would you need it at 60 degrees tho? These cards are perfectly capable of running around 75 degrees. My Zotac 1080 card, below 60 is the idle temp where the fans don't even spin.
Dear Steve, please level the curtain rod behind you.. my OCD can't stop staring at it. Thanks, lol.
You could probably plot the trajectory of its positioning over the last 2 years!
@@GamersNexus he's OCD, not a mad lad!
@@Machistmo black curtain barely left of Steve's head it took me a bit to find it too
Not to be that guy, but i remember a few years ago when i stumbled across your channel with a measly 1500 subscribers, and after seeing how thorough and well put together your videos were, i knew for certain that this channel would be huge. Low and behold, you are now one of the most prominent computer hardware channels on UA-cam. Good job, seriously. I wish i would have invested into Steve stocks.
Is this guy the Steve Jay's 2 Cents keeps mentioning in his videos for us to check out? Either way, fantastic content.
Yep
He also mentions "2 Steves" or "both Steves" . One from GN and the other from Hardware Unboxed (Aussie Steve).
@@phillgizmo8934 Tech jesus steve and Down under /kangaroo steve ;)
@@gandalf6700 Upside-down Steve ;)
@@GeminionRay Monitor monitor Steve ;)
8:28 louis rossmann. the real estate hunter
When you are testing, please look at when the GPU is in an upright position, as when on a testbench or in a desktop - and when the GPU is in a vertical position as in the Silverstone FT cases or inverted as in the Silverstone Temjin cases. In all those scenarios it would help immensely if the through fan could run in the other direction so that air would flow away from the CPU cooler and not directly into the feed of the CPU cooler. Or can perhaps the fan be turned over?
If the fan is flipped it would feed hot air straight into the other fan that’s pushing air out the IO shield. You want the fans on the card to blow the same way so one of them doesn’t feed hot exhaust air into the other.
I find the curve of the blades very strange, and I'm wondering if it will be a reversible fan, to account for some scenarios were that could be useful.
Yeah I definitely want to see how it performs in vertical and even the new 135° position (probably very poorly) I've been seeing on reddit
I really appreciate how this channel doesn't just regurgitate the information that companies give
It looks to me that most "partner design" coolers just blow all the energy into the case in all directions. Recirculated and eventually reach some case exhaust.
At least the new FE cooler pushes part of the total energy out directly through the IO panel, and the rest has a more focused direction instead of going all directions. So perhaps it can perform better for the CPU because of less recirculation in and around the graphics card itself, so the hot air flows better instead of being re-heated again at GPU before going out.
/*positive thinking/hoping*/
I hope they Review this and make it visible with smoke of something. Hat the same thought/worrry.
Thought the same
I think it's kinda worrieing because of the fact that a lot of hot air just seems to be flowing into the CPU cooler, heating the CPU not cooling it
@@alexthompson353 as Smash said, normal coolers raise the ambient air temperature in the case anyway, I doubt that the fact the 3080 is blowing directly on to the CPU heat sync will make much difference in the grand scheme of things. At least it's also exhausting half the heat out the back of the case.
This is exactly why PC designs are almost universally awful. The air just gets re-circulated. See the Mac Pro for an example of how to do much more integrated and clever cooling.
10/10 Snowflake themed toolkit, please.
With cats on the handle
I want G/N Snowflake Custom Cooling, with Snowflakes Face on the CPU Block 😺
@@scottyhaines4226 yeah the whole cat thing is lame and i know why - its purely for the symbolism.
Snowflake edition; now with 'tweezers' and Swiss Army Knife for those 'expert' builds!
"Hopefully it includes a phillips head..."
The fan positioning stuff at the end is really interesting and deserves testing at least a few setups of air cooling when you get the cards.
I just want the same thing as for every cooler. A Temperature that doesn't throttle and no loud turbine.
What's also important: A good pre-programmed Fancurve. My ASUS Strix 1080 Ti had no hysteresis. It's Fans started and stopped spinning constantly in idle.
Should of downloaded msi afterburner and tweaked the fan curve yourself.
@@propeldragon I did, but the program needs to run or it resets the curve... *cough* bloatware
@@gucky4717 Afterburner is not bloatware. Many people including me have been running it for years.
propeldragon Think of a food you hate. Now I’m going to tell you that I’ve been eating that food for years, so that means you don’t hate it anymore; now, you like it.
Does that make sense to you?
My Strix 1080Ti is fine. My fans don't even think about moving until about 50 or 60 degrees. My Strix 970 and 980 were both fine too. Maybe your issue lies elsewhere.
Great stuff, looking forward to another evening of education! Thank you and the team for putting in maximum effort all these years!
Sometimes i just phase out while Steve goes too technical, lol
Tech news: Steve at Gamers Nexus causes humans to reverse polarity.....
My eyes roll back in my head and I think about cheeseburgers and sex
@@Haddley333 lmao
is that single or three ?
Just keep nodding and agreeing to everything lols
I'm already looking forward to all the new pcb analysis videos by buildzoid with all those new pcbs coming up.
Princess Luna nvidia did say that you can not make pcb analyze anymore...
@@haukionkannel also buildzoid said that he won't buy any 3000 for now because the 70 and 80 are not worth testing and the 90 is too expensive
ua-cam.com/video/9Fv5CovLh_s/v-deo.html
Let me just take a second and thank you for not killing my valuable time with ads. You sir, are a real hero. Gonna grab a kit for that reason alone. Thanks 👍
Instead they kill a bunch of valuable time restating things over and over again. It works fine in a review, but here it's just lots of extra talking.
@@wfjackson3 well it's definitely something I would love to contribute to in some fashion. If you ever get tired of the extra talking, I'd be willing to listen.
At this rate these cards look so nice that no one is going to want to liquid cool them
weeeell.. the few waterblocks i have seen so far are for reference design anyway, and not founders ^^' To be honest, the vertical 12 pin socket would look ugly on a 1 slot watercooled GPU
Lmao no. Watercooling a card and watching it hit 40c max on a 30c room cannot be replaced.
Never having to hear your spiffy GPU turn into a blow dryer blasting out the back of your case during a 10 hour gaming bender cannot be replaced
"Adding more case fans isn't always more better"
The best advice
Major lol at the end when he said if you’re using a stock cpu cooler with this kind of card you just have to STOP!
Steve, really excited for you folks to get your hands on the new lineup and all its variants. And it was awesome meeting you and shooting the breeze at LTX 2019 :)
I only hope I'm this early when they launch
Same here. Sitting on 10900k with no GPU
Wonder if the ti's are gonna exist
Facts
@@zahirkhan778 I feel your pain, building my first pc since 2008 (15 year old and wife both have new ones) the only thing I lack is a gpu. Luckily, I have a friend who told me he would sell me his old 1050ti for 30 bucks to get me by in case I can't find one
@@PLK123 I imagine so, but will likely be like the delay in for the 1080ti compared to the 2080ti. Of course that is just my guess, no sources.
I'd love a gamers nexus toolkit but, unfortunately, I'm really really saving money right now. Nvidia is releasing a new generation of GPU's, you see...
Yup. Kingpin 3090 has my attention.
I've got a lustful eye on a 3090. But I'm gonna be waiting until early next year on the off chance that AMD comes up big this time too.
@Smiley Boi If AMD's new cards will aim at- and compete with- 3080 both in power and price... hooboy, we might be in for interesting days.
Steve, could you also consider testing this card Vertically? With the new fan orientation I’m curious how it will perform. Using the CableMod Bracket in the 011 Dynamic.. so it isn’t pressed against the glass like most other cases. Thanks!
Yeah I was wondering if a vertical mounted one might blow to much warm air directly at parts of the motherboard that won't like it - especially on boards like B550 without mobo fans. This might be ok assuming a front case fan is also blowing cold air at roughly the same place, but definitely worth a look.
I'm probably going to move my CPU cooler to the top in exhaust config, and add front intake fans in my o11. I don't think I can add an exhaust fan at the back so it'll have to do
Super happy about the new tools including the label visible through the overmold. After medium use the old ones would wear off, so that's the only thing it was missing. Well done.
Can't wait for actual Ampere testing and review video from GN, I somehow feel these cards will be very interesting regarding price/performance ratio...
The scenario where a high end GPU is associated with a stock CPU cooler (and a high end CPU) actually happens more than it should, typically when companies buy computers for their employees.
I love your channel and I love how you're very realistic with what you are reviewing. You are not a biased person and I can appreciate that. There are too many Fanboys in the world already. And some channels (I won't mention any of them) are very bent on certain brand names. So thank you very much for your pure content 👍
Hi Steve .
Two quick questions on specifically the 3080 and 3090 cooler designs affecting chipset temps in vertical GPU mounts.
1. How will it affect exhausting hot air onto chipsets in a vertical configuration ?
Up to now , we where recommended to use vertical GPU mounts that position the GPU further from the side-panel glass , and thus closer to the motherboard .
What would have the most impact on performance on the system ?
A> Closer to the glass panel possibly starving the GPU of air (Normal GPU mount)
B> Closer to the motherboard , exhausting hot air onto the Chipset (GPU Bracket that moves the graphics card further away from the glass panel)
2. Will different chipset configurations also be affected differently ?
X570 active cooling with mini fans vs X570 , B550 and Intel motherboards with passive cooling for example ?
Thanks for giving us the quality consistent answers :)
Can't wait to see the card auto destroy itself when it's opened, not too ironic after seeing the RTX 20xx opening.
That's why I never by Nvidia FE cards. Ugly as they may be, I´ll go for Asus, since they are quiet and easy to manipulate (clean)
this is gonna be a fun few months looking forward to all the testing content goodness
The Verge: Today we are reviewing the latest NVidia 3000 series graphics card, RTX3060. Yeah we've got got one!
@Stable Genius {Jihad} If you know, you know. If you don't, you don't.
Ordered a glass Steve. You guys and linus are all I can watch for tech info anymore.
Hey Steve, I would actually be curious to see how the 3080/3090 perform with a stock intel/AMD cooler. Not because it's a realistic usage scenario, but _because_ they are really crappy coolers already barely able to keep up with the CPUs they ship with. In which case, if a 3080 does indeed worsen the intake/ambient temperature of the CPU, these will be the first coolers to show it in tests. They won't be able to absorb any extra BTUs in soak, or hide small temperature changes in tenths of a degree.
If an intel 10900 with a stock cooler is still able to post the same performance with a 3080 in the system, then any $40, $50, $60, or $100 CPU cooler would simply shrug off any contribution from the 3080 cooler. And if they _can't_ , well that would still be informative to anyone running a SFF with a low profile CPU cooler, without GamersNexus having to run a bunch of low profile coolers in a bunch of extra SFF cases.
V is for Void stoc cooler and $1500 gpu... well well... not likely scenario :)
Maybe for stock Intel, the Wraith cooler on a Ryzen 5 3600x is pretty solid.
Most SFF cases that are actually good usually have a layout where it's not possible for the CPU cooler to intake any GPU exhaust air or can be configured that way depending on how the airflow path is set up.
I was going to get a 3080 and a mid-range Zen 3 CPU with the stock cooler. I can see the concern with this new fan design, but why is that unrealistic in general? For gaming at 1440p+, it seems like there isn't all that much benefit in getting a high-end CPU; if I were buying a Zen 2, I'd get a 3600.
When I first saw the new coolers, my first thought was to wait for Steve to test it with an air cooled CPU.
but steve we all know that the rgb on the amd stock coolers automatically makes the cpu 10 degrees cooler. ;)
The confidence instilled by your integrity & thoroughness is genuinely unparalleled in tech journalism. I hope people don’t discount the importance of the work you guys do, and I cannot wait for this fall and the deluge of content from your team - lay it on thicc, Steve!
Today: intake has been replaced with glass
Tomorrow: Steve has been replaced with beve
Steve + Gamers Nexus Team,
Long time listener; first time commenter.
*Excellent* video. Top notch (as always) but what set this one apart from the rest was my audible, "YES!! Can't wait to learn!!" following the intro. *Very* much looking forward to the videos to come. Keep up the excellent work!
Recently found this channel, I love the glorious Norse God locks dude
I don't know if you went in the videos back far enough (you should) to know this, but we generally call Steve "tech Jesus".
We also sometimes refer to his cat as the general manager.
At this rate you've got about 6 or 7 days until a million subs! I think I've noticed a steady 5k subs per day, and well deserved!
Both the founder and custom cards appear to have a back plate cutout for fan exhaust. How will this affect vertical GPU mounting where it would be exhausting hot air right onto the motherboard chipset?
So far, this is the only UA-cam clip I've seen, that deals with where some of the heat from the new 3080s and 3090s is going.
Cause they aren’t wanking it
"but my AMD ryzen cooler is good!"
"You're wrong, its not."
My Ryzen 5 3600X runs fine @ 34 oC with default cooler, near GTX 1080 GPU. It jumps to 50 oC when in heavy use. If I buy a stock Nvidia 3080,that hot air will go straight into CPU cooler ... this cannot be good. I'd have to build a air flow baffle .. or demand Nvidia make one .
so intel stock coolers are good?
@@fatihuyan9780 no idiot he never said or implied that either. Plus AMD is the one that markets the stock coolers
@@fatihuyan9780 All stock air cooler are good for is:
A. Increasing the amount of metal that ends up in your local landfill
B. Making your local bank teller say to you "Computer is being slow today" because her bank gave her some POS Dell slimline to work with
I think a most representative test for comparing the FE cooler vs a more typical axial cooler would be a test with 2 cases: one high airflow and one with worse airflow with glass, and 2 cpu coolers: high end air cooler and water cooler in exhaust, as a low end cooler doesn't really fit much on a 3080 build. Of course, people will always complain about a certain setup, but that mostly cover the most common ones.
I watched every minute of this video and I find myself watching more and more of your in depth videos form beginning to end and now often watching them more than once.
If I may, I do have a quesiton that I cannot find an answer to anywhere. Does this generation of founders edition gpu's have proper fan cantrol, for instance can you put them to zero fan mode when your just watching Gamers Nexus youtube videos? This would be awesome and negate the need to pay excorbitant prices for AIB partner cards just to use that feature.
Thanks again for the great content.
Great summary of the challenges Steve.
One thing not mentioned in the video that I hope you'll consider but just didn't have time to talk about, vertically mounting these GPU's. Seems the "flow-through" fan will be dumping it's heat directly onto the motherboard's chipset, which I'm sorta surprised buildzoid didn't mention....
Hey Steve.Could you do a video about stock availability of the cards when they come out and your take on it? There are a lot of rumors on the web , some say its propably a paper launch and people will not even get them until end of the year while others say that they are propably just unavailable for some weeks. Would be great if you had more infos about the matter.
Very interested in this as well!
3090 is guaranteed paper launch as it seems rest of the cards probably will be out of stock due to the hype
Yes I want to know how much I should expect to wait, I've been rocking an RX580 and I really want to upgrade to a 3070 before 2021, but I also expect to be disappointed. (At least there's a chance the used 20XX market will become reasonable though)
Hey man I got the numbers, things aren't looking good 3000 series launch stocks are a little bit lower than amd's vega launch numbers that's probably because samsung's 8nm yields sucks ass it will be near impossible to get your hands on one
sometimes i see people say steve talks fast, sometimes i put the video at 1.25 to get all the juicy info in faster. and then i watch it 3 more times cuz i just love them videos
cant wait for the overclocking content =D
Really looking forward to that! NVIDIA is making big claims about OC support by the cooler. It'll be fun to see if they have our kind of overclocking in mind.
@@GamersNexus Are you going to use LN2?
I just found this channel after doing some research on newegg in preparation for a new PC build. It's been a few years since I looked at PC hardware and I was puzzled when I found that almost every PC case has tempered glass in the design. Glad to know my bewilderment was justified after coming here and seeing you dumping on the case companies.
Does anyone think I should upgrade my 550w PSU to a 700w+ for upgrading to a 3080?
Nvidia States on their web page that the 3080 and the 3090 need a 750 watt power supply.
Yes, Nvidia recommended 750
It's literally necessary lol... You'll need 800W+ to be safe.
Alright I appreciate the answers you all provided. I’ll probably get a 800w to be safe.
@@xronos_exe Im getting a 750 w, im pretty sure when nividia give their recommendations its usually overkill. But also depends if you are overclocking your parts
Simple solution: bottom+rear intake, top exhaust. Done.
If you're super worried about your memory sticks you can always print a shroud/duct and add a dedicated fan in the front.
Is the conclusion of this video “if you dont heavy OC youre safe?”
Depending on you current tower/ cooling solution but .... probably safe.
Normal highend cooler will put all the hear to the case. This will push some of that heat out of the case using that other cooler, while the other push it to the case. So in there this should be better than most aib coolers, but without testing, it is just a theory!
@SmashStomp Inc corsair does - sf750. Just ordered mine.
Yes, unfortunately a lot of viewers are struggling to understand things as they are presented. Definitely feels like he needs to make things easier to digest for some people.
If you pay attention to his other videos then you would know that they recommend a good CLC AIO and they recommend equipping your high airflow case with the fans it needs to perform as best as it possibly can. If you look at the airflow diagram that image shows what equates to a stock case with two front fans, and an exhaust. Now if you aren't planning to cheap out on your build you will do what I am doing which is making sure I have fans for wherever the case manufacturer neglects to include them (the case I want doesn't actually come with fans).
Thank you for the restock for the toolkit! Got one finally! :D ... and a mat to boot.
Keep up the excellent work guys!
You say the Ryzen cooler is "fine but not that good", but as far as I can tell we haven't seen the Wrath coolers in any of your updated cooler tests. Are we going to see and budget/stock cooler tests soon so we can compare them to the high end coolers?
Why tho? the coolers are ment to get you started nothing more than that. You should buy something else when you can. Almost any tower cooler is better than stock. Like Steve also said, you dont pair an expensive card with a stock cooler. So the content you are asking for is useless imo. Just get a new cooler.
DFTW stands for Dumb Fucking Toothless Wonder, and you know nothing about Wraith Coolers. Live the idiots that want to come out and play... You obviously fell for the mind meld.
I hope not, it'd be a waste of time. We all know that they aren't that good. Only the most fanboy of AMD fanboys would say otherwise, and who cares what they think anyway? Even if presented with data, they'll just insist the testing was wrong and/or the reviewer is a shill.
EDIT: arose001 right above me proving my point already.
@@arose001 I've built 8 ryzen systems since zen 2 launched. There's no reason at all to use the stock cooler, especially on the 3700x/3900x... They're worthless coolers and I'd only use them to test if a system works. They can't handle the chips at full load or with any PBO... Don't even need to give benches for that. You should just know that. The wraith stealth on zen 2 is garbage, 3600 will hit 76c in a high airflow case (p500, NR600, full tower cases etc.) with the stealth. Which is uh. Not very good. I wouldn't even want to turn on PBO and see it hit far higher. Now imagine putting the 3600 with stock cooler in a choked off case. It hits 76c in an optimal setup, 3 intake 2 exhaust, high airflow low ambient (20-21c) what would it hit in a worse scenario?
@@masterdftw4983 The coolers are meant to cool the cpu at stock clocks, which is good enough if you don't plan to overclock the CPU.
As someone that doesn't overclock my cpu, I'd like to see data behind these claims of "you need to use a better cpu cooler to use with an expensive gpu".
It is currently hard to find an up-to-date video about best practices when building a PC on an airflow case. This came close to it during the PC case section and was super nice. Is there any chance of you making an up-to-date video about where to position your case fans, what are the appropriate speeds for your case fans and why? Especially now since it seems many people will be making new PCs to accommodate the new GPUs.
I'm sticking with my 2070 super and skipping the 3000 series and probably the 4000 series.
naftaLi every two or three generation is good timetable for upgrades if you really need to have very highend atuff. Most people keep the same gpu 5 years before upgrading, so your 2070 will be fine Many years.
I think I'll stick with my 1080Ti until the 4080. The 3080 will struggle at 4k in some titles. I'll make the costly move to 4k when 60fps isn't a struggle on ultra settings :)
Wise idea
To prevent confusion you could say standard voltages and clock speeds rather than lower. I think it better gets across the idea of what voltages and clock speeds are out of the box without the negative connotations of lower.
I didn't even hold the thing in my hands, so now I'm gonna tell you everything to know about it.
I have an SL600M case with 4 200mm fans (bottom intake, top exhast), plus a vertically mounted D-15 exhausting upwards. This cooler design seems really interesting for good GPU temps, but with a 3900x, I would love to see some testing in vertical intake/exhaust style cases to see just how bad CPU thermals would get. This is of course assuming more heat energy radiates directly into the CPU cooler's premises, and not out the PCIE slots or towards the front of the case.
i can hear ifixit shaking their fists from here that they couldn't sponsor this video.
In all seriousness though, as a lover of watercooling, i'm more interested in finding out what blocks will be available for what near launch, what performs best, etc. i've got the shaky trigger finger constantly refreshing everything to be informed as fast as possible about who releases what when and at what price. I freaking love release season. Nerd adrenaline, engage.
Dude, I've been refreshing constantly too! I can't wait for Big Navi!!
We're talking to water block companies now! Will try to keep you all posted.
@@GamersNexus Awesome! I saw ekwb release info on their blocks for the reference boards. My fingers are crossed hoping the founders board blocks will come soon as well.
Part of me would want something like aorus offers with more than one hdml 2.1 port on the 3090, but the other part of me would rather have one 12 pin connector over three 8 pins.
The performance numbers will be a big deciding factor on which direction to go.
This whole fe not being reference pcb is incredibly annoying water block wise. I want the fe and it’s small size, but it looks like all the blocks are gonna be reference design (which the fe isn’t for the first time)
It's too bad that a lot of "professional builders" are not aware of what you were just talking... Just placing a tons of fans inside (usually RGB) and not accounting for airflow and pressure in the case.... That's why your channel is one of my favorite tech ones ;) your info is always correct!
Is the new airflow path enough to justify thermaltake's RAM cooler's existence or is it still just as pointless?
Junko mostly useless. You just need cooler to blow that hor air out of The case...
Damn I don't think I've ever been that early
Ok, UA-cam has recommended your channel for years. Only recently (past 2 weeks) I've started watching. Now subbed. Now addicted. Good job
I would like to know...since Intel is slow getting pci-x 4.0 support out there, I have PC with Intel Z390/i9-9900K which only has pci-x 3.0. Seeing the new RTX 3000 series supports pci-x 4.0, will us Intel users be left in the dust in terms of "cheap" upgrade path and run into bottlenecking with the RTX3090, while AMD users striking gold with already having pci-x 4.0 support on recent builds? Or will it only affect loading times with because of direct ssd access features?
Don't worry, it'll be the least of your concerns when Zen 3 arrives.
you get to buy RTX 2080Ti for sub 500 usd when the RTX3000 series comes out... you'll only realistically be missing out on DX12 exclusive titles that would probably require RTX enabled cards (but if they have built-in RTX OFF function, then it's all good)...
@@AKOsiMORRIS i already have 2080 ti ..... F
Don't remember if it was Steve, Jay or Linus but this has been covered already. The card will work just fine.
Wow, been looking for a good Computer Screwdriver Set. Just ordered yours now. Can't wait to receive it.
The video that I was waiting for!! Thank you tech Jesus!!
you could always reverse your tower cooler fan. have the back fan blow into the cpu fan fresh air which is also blowing towards the front of the case, and have the front fan blowing out the hopefully mesh front lol. if you have 3 front fans you could have the top 2 blowing out and the bottom one sucking in towards the gpu intake. and if you have top fans too, you could make the one closest to the back suck in having the fresh air get caught in the crosswind going into the cpu cooler and the one closest to the front blowing out which would take some of the cpu coolers exhaust and gpus air with it since the gpus exhaust blows straight up anyway. the front top exhaust is just to catch any remainder heat and keep air moving fast over the ram.
I'm Spanish, so if someone can help me with fast resume, is going to affect negatively the founders edition to ram, m.2 or cpu? Thanks.
Well u need to wait for they to test it , espera que salga jotin yo me compraré la 3070 si es que no se agotan ;"(
@@anthonyXXXD1 Yo estoy igual, quiero pillar la 3080 founders ya que se ve muy bien, pero no se como afectara a las temperaturas de otros componentes.
@@Voldwyce depende de tu psu por lo menos una 700watts para estás tranquilo pero si vas a oc tu gpu no sabría decirte necesito ver pruebas y rendimiento
@@anthonyXXXD1 Eso lo se gracias, seguramente pille una de 850w mi duda es si este diseño de airflow afectará a las temperaturas de ram, m.2 superior y la cpu, pues saca el aire caliente hacía esos componentes.
@@Voldwycedepende si tú case tiene buena ventilación más extra fans que si ayudan a bajar las temperaturas debería estar bien pero lo que a mí me preocupa es el bottleneck que pueda tener debido al poder mounstroso de las nuevas gpu
Congratulations in advance for reaching *1M* subs!!!
Why can't you just say the word "decibel"? Do you say "el bees" instead of "pounds"? 😉
common industry lingo that's all. pounds is one syllable, easy to say, decibel is a lot more "wordy", thus the "debee"
@@avenshmit66 is that right? 🤔 I can see what you're saying, though. Kinda like in engineering where they often talk about a length in "mils", rather than "millimetres". Although a teacher would more likely say the full thing
@@AntneeUK I'm actually an engineer, and you're exactly right about the mils!! Decibels are used a lot on electrical engineering as well, so we say debee all the time :)
@@avenshmit66 my family are engineers, but the "deebee" thing annoys me 😁 My grandad was a legendary engineer. I've done my time on CNCs (Bridgeports) but am in software and web systems engineering now. And yes, I know "proper" engineers don't like it when we call ourselves engineers 😁
@@AntneeUK I have a ton of respect for software engineers, they're just as real as any other!
Nothing I love more than Steve's cold hard data, every time there's a review. It comes with pure data to back up claims and show what really happens, something that really helps the community.
Steve takes his craft scientifically seriously. Great work man!!
This was my big question having just set up a Chromax NHD15
Yeah I'm going to be watching the reviews with interest. My case had crappy thermals as it is and I don't want to install a 3080 and find it makes them worse. I really like the look of the FE cards but I'll definitely go third party if the thermals on air are an issue.
I think the new cooler design on the Ampere FE cards looks like it can be perfect for the Lian Li O11D case where you can put the exhaust fans on the side. If you then mount the GPU vertically, the hot air from the card will go straight out with the side fans on the case.
the new RTX build's fundamental design is similar to what i been thinking about. using and cramp all GPU processing element (VRM, memories, core) in small dimension of PCB, and use the rigid chassis as the bed to the whole card build instead of the PCB. so the extra dimension of the GPU card's chassis can be used to hold cooling units. and that small PCB of the new RTX is similar by size to upgradable GPU card for customizable laptops. makes it simple for GPU manufacturer to market the same card for laptop too. besides the VRM differences probably.
I love the Louis Rossman shoutout, what a legend