@@zeronin4696 Im pretty confident its going to be as good as other 3-fan setups if not better. Traditional fan setup is very inefficient since hot air gets stuck in case and is not efficiently ventilated. This setup in the other hand ventilates hot air very nicely
I just have to say optimum tech that your content is ON KEY and as a fellow aussie i'm proud we have someone like you to represent us in the huge tech community, plus you also help me alot with new tech stuff!
The FE 3080 looks like it will fit perfectly in an NCASE. Ali, the next time you’re having a chat to Jensen please tell him to sell the FE cards in Australia.
Agreed. I am in the process of getting my own setup right now and I’m going to have it set up for two different color schemes. One is green for when online and in constant use and red for passive mode. So having the GPU being green all the time would be breaking there scheme indeed
Just wanted to say your videos are awesome man, always clean & efficient. As for the card, very interesting design. For my NZXT H1 I will probably have to go for an aftermarket solution.
I've been thinking about this too. I'm wondering if it might actually be great for the H1, IF you do the little NF-A4x20 mod that some people have done. The flow-through would seemingly dump the hot air right into the exhaust fans - which would be ideal.
Quick Tech News I think the EVGA XC3 will definitely fit. While the clearance is 45mm acc to the NZXT site, it’s realistically 55mm without the filter. The MSI offerings are too thick. Asus ones are straight up 3 slots. Gigabyte are 2.5-2.75. They maaaayyy fit, but it’s really difficult to say, as we don’t have exacts. I just hope the 650 watt included PSU holds up. Acc to many sites with wattage calculators, it should be able to (just barely), but I think I’ll under clock my CPU and GPU just to be safe. Happy building!
@@itsPovich The mod doesn't really make the case bigger, you screw in a couple fans at the back to add more airflow. If you are placing the case on a desk like most of us do then its completely unnoticeable. It would be my last resort if I run into serious thermal issues, however if the card just runs a little hot and within the thermal constraints then I don't care.
I find it amazing what you do with your youtube channel. Everything is so polished, so professional.. and it seems like it's all done by one single person. I watch Linus but he has a team and a business entirely reliable on a group and yet one single person (you) can make an astonishing youtube channel with plenty of content like no other can do. It's pretty amazing. Just wanted to comment a compliment. From an admirer.
Dude Linus’s channel “LTT” post one video every freaking day, beside his other channels which add up to be more than 7 video in the week. Show some respect to one of the most important people in PC community please
Yup I find myself watching so many of his videos on things I don't give a shiit about 😂😂 Just for the calming voice, edits, lighting, quality and pacing Even his renders are "agency quality"
Good video. Finally someone going into detail on this topic. Now give me actual temps and noise levels and I am SOLD on the FE. Really wanna have the RTX 3080 FE this time, looks beautiful. First time ever, normally I would wait and buy one of the custom cards as I always did.
@@HitokiriShin If you have money for it and want the features only Nvidia gpus can offer, that's fine. If not, don't pull the trigger so fast. The Samasung 8nm yields are bad, limiting supply of 3000 gpus, making them hard and more expensive to buy. Big Navi would likely be cheaper with close to 3080 or better performance, and better availability. I HAVE to wait because the island I am staying on doesn't have ITX boards and import duty is absurd. Will have to wait until Christmas when I go back home. Hope this will help me see the clearer picture of what both companies can offer.
If you could test this "convection" cooling system with a case focussing on bottom-up airflow and an Ice Giant Prosiphon cooler this would be sweet. Perhaps trying the Lian Li O11D mini? This would probably be the most convection airflow optimized setup: - 3x120 bottom intake - RXT 3080 FE (ideally) - IG Prosiphon (has 4x120 fans) - 3x120 top fans. How about this? PS: Using hot air through another colling unit is not necessarily an issue. Within certain parameters it can even be beneficial, has the airflow regardless of the temperature helps circulating air faster whilst the moving hot air does not warm the component very much as it moves. Also the flow-through design could help with RAM and VRM cooling.
Hello, congratulations on your Chanel! Best sff UA-camr by far! I have a question. Did you have the chance to look at the InWin A1 Plus? I am thinking about doing a new build on one with a 3700X and a NVidia 3080 but I don’t know if the case would have good thermals for such a config. Would love to have your input on this. Thank you!
Still being very curious about why don't they just put the second fan in the front and blow air right through the heat sink? Won't it be much more efficient than suck the air through?
Obviously most won't know the real answer for a little while but pause at 7:45. The "X" shaped shroud going around the card, is that too a heat sink or plastic? I wanted to know because I was planning on painting that portion white to match the Black/White theme of my build. Look at 7:41, before I even saw this image I assume the entire shroud was a heat sink based off of aesthetics but seeing those 4x heat pipes connecting to the frame/chassis of the card further makes me believe that it's indeed a heat sink.
Hey! Just a small curiosity, what software are you using for the 3d renders? And are you tweaking some of the 3d models yourself or do you find them online and just animate them for the video? Super clean videos as always, I don't ever comment on stuff but have had this curiosity for a while
@@synchronos1 yeah but its fucking wrong... i think, im right now try to find out where i am false but if you know the airflow direction from pc fans and why they have a main direction you get where this is false...
Can't believe how much this channel has grown in such a short time. Here well before 100K and you deserve all of them with your production quality man.
I think it should. Maybe the 92mm exhaust will help remove some of the heat from the 2nd gpu fan. Assuming the cpu is watercooled. At least that's what I plan to do.
The bottom fans of the M1 don't usually do much (unless coupled with an Accelero), but with the 3080 FE they might help quite a bit, because they would give you direct airflow onto that passively cooled middle section. Of course most of that air would then be reused by the card's stock fans, but still.
Look at 2:00 . The fan on the back looks like intake to me. This makes 2:45 look odd. I think it would make sense for it to be intake as it would feed the other fan rather than fight for air with it. I know it would be warm air, but warm air is better than no air.
If you're willing to dremel out part of the plastic front panel frame, there is actually exactly enough room to fit the RTX 3080 FE in the SG13 without breaching the mesh. I have a 1080 Ti SC2 in mine that's 270mm in length, and I measured it, I could fit an extra 15mm of card in with this mod, millimeter perfect for the 3080 FE.
I actually think h1 will work fairly nicely with 3080 because you can simply add an additional 140mm on the back plate to suck hot air out which is something I did with mine and it significantly reduced internal temp of the system. Worst case is to use a custom front plate with air vents and mount another 140mm in the front to create an air flow. As for power requirement, I’m using a ryzen 3900x and most time during gaming CPU usage is around 10%, so the power supply load should work with 3080 without any issues. I am so excited to add 3080 my h1, making it one the best performing itx system.
I don't understand the rear fan graphics. Clearly, the fan image shows that the fan would have a clockwise rotation when looking at the card from above which would suggest the airflow would be down drawing cool air from the top and exhausting down. I am off base here or what?
Changing flow direction by rewiring the fan cables should be an easy job, if nvidia didn't everything in place again. However, I doubt that this would be of any use, as the new exhaust would be right next to the first fan, which would suck in some warm air. It might be a feasible option to rewire both fans, so that the first fan sucks air infrom the gpu bracket and exhausts it out of the bottom (or side for sandwich layouts) of the case aswell. That way exhausted air and intake air would not mix. There might be significant drawbacks though regarding the efficiency of the fans turning in reverse and rather creating negative pressure than originally positive pressure. All that still probably won't be worth voiding your warranty though. I can hardly wait for Ali's testing and tinkering regarding all these questions.
@@renedescartes2613 changing the polarity of tje fan wont get the desired effect. As then youll be spinning a fan the wromg way and it wont "scoop" the air in to pass through. Now taking the card apart and flipping tje fan however may work. Ill just buy an evga card as always and waterblock it lol..
Then you’d be sucking air from the cpu unless you have an aio then just leave the fan be exhausting to the top because hot air easily flows bottom to top. You’d also be heating up the initial fan which is probably doing the most cooling (judging by it being right on top of the die).
Why? It's not like the cpu will struggle to keep cool anyways. The cpu is chilling when you use your gpu anyways. This is just going to keep it cooler. Where do you think the hot air goes in a regular non blower card?
The content is very cleaned and very professional. Lighting, background, detail. I have been looking up to you. What kind of camera are you using? BTW, I have 3900x, 32gb C18 3600mhz, OS 10 pro x64, Kraken z72, 1200W, X570-E gaming. Should I get founders edition or AIB? is 3090 overkill for my build? I do videos and gaming. Competitive gaming. Thanks in advance.
Hardware Canucks did a RTX 30 AIB video and there's a Zotac 3070 mini-type card they put up a picture of but a lot of people are more interested in the 3080's & 90's. Most of those cards are 2.5 designs and may be a tight fit or won't fit at all. I picked up a Sapphire Nitro+ 5700XT and I was unable to get it into my FormD T1 case. I'd expect the a good number of the new RTX's to be in the same boat.
3070 should work fine. fits very good (a lot of room left) and the fan configuration is different than the 3080 and 3090. the 3070 has the fans both underneath as intake if you look closely and should be close to what the founders were last generation.
I feel this on a deep level. That said, SFF cases are becoming more mainstream and I have hope that we will eventually see more options for 3rd party cards in time.
@@antonionamezuccardi7884 I had my eye on a 3080 and they all look a little chunky to comfortably fit in either the H1 or FormD T1 that I have. Can't wait to see if Big Navi is as competitive and stays slim and trim to be more sff friendlier than the new RTX cards.
Would it be too hot to go for the 3080 in the Ghost S1 even with watercooling? And do you know if there will be 3070 waterblocks? Seems better for the S1 because of the watts needed. Great video again again!
you will probably have to stick to a traditional designed cooler but the ASUS TUF rtx3080 will most likely work in the NZXT H1 case dimension and airflow wise
If you don't buy it on day one you're more than likely going to have to wait untill the first half of next year, unless of course, you are willing to pay scalper prices.
I've noticed that all of EVGA's hybrid 3000 series cards come with a minimum of a 240mm radiator. The 3090 kingpin comes with a 360mm radiator. For water cooling in a smaller case, you are going to need a lot of radiator space to keep the temperatures down, especially if the smaller cane doesn't have great air flow.
I'd love to see a recommendation for which 30-series card to use for a strix mod-style ncase m1 build in the future. Asus seems to have redesigned their Strix cards, so it's hard to say if one of those would still be the best option this gen.
@@Camina.Drummer yeah, I currently have a strix mod ncase m1 build with a RTX 2070 (non-super), and I really want to upgrade to 30-series. I'm hoping either Optimum Tech or at least someone on r/sffpc tries it first and shares what works
@@jacob5283 Yeah same. I have all parts but GPU for new build and unsure of what card to buy. I have a custom CPU loop, so I could add GPU to it, but I would prefer the Strix mod (or an accellero I guess)
while the 2nd fan does push hot air straight into the cpu cooler, all non blower aircooled gpu already does the same thing. the heat doesnt disappear magically.
Vega 56 from the likes of Powercolor and Sapphire had pretty much the same through-flow design as Brent from pcper mentioned. No one else on earth seems to remember 😆.
Jesus, what an awesome indepth video covering the potential issues. Thanks man ^_^ Being someone who is a complete novice the idea of a dual radiator build is kind of terrifying, but something I'd love to tackle/learn one day.
Thoughts on trying to air cool a 3080 FE in an NCase M1? I was thinking of having the cpu cooled with a side 240 rad (intakes) and extra fans under the gpu pushing extra air into the card
What about normal cpu coolers like wraith prism/ spire etc that are not tower coolers. I'm guessing the 3080FE will not cause a problem if there is enough positive pressure in the case??
it may be a stupid question but can't they just punch a exact-sized hole directly above the top exhaust on the backplate? they can add a bit of reinforcements elsewhere to compensate
Would you try testing the new cooler in a 90 degree orientation (ALA Silverstone) when you get your hands on the card? Would love to see if there's a difference! The long heat pipes have me worried.
You mean the fan at the back side that should be in the pull position instead of push (to the bottom) like in the render? I thought it was just me.. I mean it confuses me too when they said that the fan is supposed to pull air from the bottom but the fan in the video shows the opposite..
@@rheeko2119 I guess you're right. After closer look, it does seems the fan blades are in correct orientation (at least for the official nvidia renders). It just sometimes it looks incorrect when you're looking it from different angle. But yeah the top fan is on a pull configuration.
@@rheeko2119 no, the blades are curved in a different way, nvidia made them pull air from inside of the card up and away from fan hub to make it quieter, the curve on blades is much more complex than a regular fan blade that pushes air in. just look at image by NVIDIA themselves i.imgur.com/sVkeFWo.png it looks like it grabs air near fins inside a card and moves it out 3D modelers' fan design looks like regular fan that pushes air in and spins clockwise
FE 3080 in Ncase M1 with 240mm AIO cpu cooler might be good, i think the 240 on exhaust will help pull air out. I just hope it won't be too tight creating turbulence. That's something i would love to see you test m8
i was thinking of doing this as well with a 3090 hybrid aio from evga, but i was stuck on the cpu cooling part. are thinking of using a low profile cpu cooler like a noctua NH-L9i?
You repeat a common misconception that this will heat up CPU Air coolers in mid tower cases. It won't, at least not any more than normal open air GPU coolers. With an open air cooler all the heat still exhaust behind the CPU anyway, and actually since half this card works like a blower, less heat will makes its way to the CPU area, than would in a normal open Air coolers. Then only GPU coolers than will have less CPU heat impact are pure blower cards, or ones that have some liquid cooling.
I was trying to find out if this was an issue or not, but almost no one seems to be talking about it. I don't know much about how heat sinks work, but i'd assume air temp doesn't matter much as it's only job is to push heat/energy off of the heatsink fins, so so long as there's airflow it' shouldn't matter much. but then again, i could be completely wrong.
I bought an RX5700 XT Nitro two weeks ago, was thinking of returning it and getting 3080 or 3070 but the airflow of the 3080 scares me a little, cause it's pushing hot air right intro my R7 3700X which is already running hotter than the RX 5700, I think i will also need a water cooler for the CPU... should I still upgrade to 3000?
@@Mythic_Wisdom With every hardware launch some UA-camrs have early access because making tests and review takes time. They just can't say that because of NDA.
@@krlgrudzinski Yup you're most likely correct about that one. All these youtubers are probably drooling all over the cards with their filthy gamersweat
@2:49 how is the second fan above the geforce rtx led sucking in air from the bottom when its oriented that way. Wouldnt it would sucking air in from the top?
I wonder why youtubers still don't change the orientation after the gamers nexus video.
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3:20 one is fine - top of the radiator is above the pump, it might be a little bit louder, but not like you can turn it around in that case. 5:55 and 8:15 builds tho...
I'm sure he does If he tries to hire someone with equal editing and lighting skills, it'll cost $10,000 a month or more Or he'll have to hire an agency
He seen it (I think he said that on Twitter). In his case it is OK, because pump is lower than the top of a radiator. And TechJesus said 'don't harass youtubers'.
What I don't understand is the 'flow-through' fan seems to me to be mounted on the wrong side. It's clearly the same fan as on the IO end of the card, but the blade geometry is so wrong for it to suck through the radiator. Are they running it backwards? Looks like they designed the cooler to blow up and down initially and realised they'd be sucking in warm air from underneath so changed it to all flow upwards, so shouldn't both fans be on the underside like normal?
I want to switch from an RTX ASUS TURBO to FE RTX 3080. And I want to buy Phanteks Evolv Shift Air. Can you please give me an advice on how it will preform in that case? I really like that case, but I'm not sure about the air cooling of the GPU. Because I always liked the FE editions from nVidia. I don't want it watercooled or a with 3rd party GPU design. If it's not okay I will get a mid tower like Phanteks Eclipse P500A or similar. Maybe you could do a demo with your little brother's system. Thank you for the great videos as always. Peace!
The EVGA CX3 looks relatively small, compared to a lot of the other 3080/3090 cards. 285 x 111 x 45 I think the Founders Edition will work well with the NCASE M1. 2x bottom intake fans feed air to the GPU, then you can have radiator fans from an AIO acting as exhaust about if you want. Or if you have a small tower cooler, you would maybe have a 120mm fan mounted toward the front of the case for intake (above the GPU fan exhaust) and it'd likely mix with the warmer air that gets fed through the CPU cooler out the back.
For an air-cooled CPU in a non-ITX case, maybe makes sense to reverse the CPU and rear case fans so the air blows towards the front of the case? Thus avoiding having heat-polluted air from the GPU going through the CPU cooler.
I know this ist noch the main topic of this great video! But I think you got the airflow wrong. On 6:09 the cold air gets sucked in from the top and is exhausted through the bottom. This might end up in some kind of airflow from right to left out of the case.
i believe the flow path at 3:00 is wrong simply looking at the fan blades, it seems like it should intake from the back of the card and exhaust to the front making an s bend to the rear fan to be exhausted out after making cooling primarily come from the back of the case and secondary cooling being the back of the car. i could be wrong though but if i am thats an extremely inefficient blade design for a pull through system but very efficient for push through
The concern with the warmer air passing through the CPU air cooler is not an issue. An open air CPU cooler is a heat exhausting and dispersing apparatus. Not a cold air intake unit to cool the CPU.
Don't suppose anyone can give me a solid upgrade option for a 700 sfx psu in a lian li tu 150x with a aluminum vented side panel instead of the glass. Not sure how i could cool it as I would have to take my bottom slim fans out to fit a 3080 which is what I would want not to mention if I have enough power for it.
Which way does the second fan spin? It looks like it will blow heat downwards if in push - but the way your diagram shows pulling air upwards, then it must spin the other way round in pull ? If it is push then it's going to conflict with my bottom case fans & be terrible. If pull, then I don't care about it heating my CPU as I have a 240 AIO on it 👍
i think a mini itx case that will compliment the rtx 3080 will be the In Win A1 as it has fans right at the back of the card and fans at the bottom of the case so it will work really well
I know you've said that the design of the Fractal Era is not ideal for the 10- and 20-series cards. But with this new airflow design, would it be worth reconsidering the Era?
Hello and thanks for the great and informative videos. I have one question though. Why should the air be blown out of the rear fan, the fan blades point inwards, so the air would have to be pushed through the cooling fins and not blown towards the CPU??
I am currently running a air cooled set up on the NCase. My current GPU is de-shrouded with 2 noctuas underneath. It looks like a lot of the 3080 are going to be huge, do you think any of them would be a good fit de-shrouded?
Great video and confirms my concerns with buying an ITX case for a build I am planning to do very soon with a 3080! Would you say that the best position for an AIO CPU cooler is at the front top of a mid tower case, possibly only taking 2/3 120mm fan slots to allow an additional 120mm fan to still bring in a slightly cooler air into the case and potentiallly use a couple of extra fans for extracting the air at the back and top of the case?
I feel like the coolermaster nr200p will be very popular with the 3080. the exhaust systems on the card seem to work well with the card, especially since the hot air won't be blown directly onto glass but rather up into the top exhaust fan.
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*looks at 3080 fan configuration*
My NZXT H1: *_Don’t try it._*
Your NZXT H1: You underestimate my space!
Me: clean design...
Or...
SUPER ANGLED RGB ASUS ROG 3080
Watercool it.
My cooler Master N200: Y E S
@@Xxx_EvilSmurf_xxX Watercooled cards gonna look mad with the V shape PCB
These FE versions are probably the best looking I've seen though if that matters haha
It really looks simply and elegant, no rgb gamer overload. I hope thermals will be nice so i gonna get one too
Yeah
@@zeronin4696 Im pretty confident its going to be as good as other 3-fan setups if not better. Traditional fan setup is very inefficient since hot air gets stuck in case and is not efficiently ventilated. This setup in the other hand ventilates hot air very nicely
10 series *cough* tho the coolers one those aren't that good
RTX 3080 FE vs Zotac Gaming RTX 3080 quick Unboxing. ua-cam.com/video/3c8rDIfQVDI/v-deo.html
I just have to say optimum tech that your content is ON KEY and as a fellow aussie i'm proud we have someone like you to represent us in the huge tech community, plus you also help me alot with new tech stuff!
"tech community" XD you mean fatass gamers. Tech is much more than gaming lol
RTX 2080 ti owners reaction to Nvidia. ua-cam.com/video/VCNhzBB2aMU/v-deo.html 1 min vid.
@@jhonedoe3734 safe to say most of his audience is interested in gaming...
@@jhonedoe3734 k boomie
Hardware unboxed channel is quite good too
The FE 3080 looks like it will fit perfectly in an NCASE. Ali, the next time you’re having a chat to Jensen please tell him to sell the FE cards in Australia.
you can´t get the FE cards in Australia?
@@XzPERFECTIONzX unfortunately, no they also aren't available in regions like India and Bangladesh.
In Europe, at least in my country, no one has FE. It's not selled.
the_Haakinton 89 wait why?
@@seenochasm7101 we also have to pay at least 25% more than US msrp on most components.
I love that these founders edition cards don’t have the green light on them. The light on my 2070 just doesn’t go with the rest of my build
Agreed. I am in the process of getting my own setup right now and I’m going to have it set up for two different color schemes. One is green for when online and in constant use and red for passive mode. So having the GPU being green all the time would be breaking there scheme indeed
You can use presicsion x1, it's evga software and it got rid of the light on my 2060 super
Install Evga Precision X1. There is a LED setting to lower the brightness or turn it off completely for founders edition cards.
scammenot scammenot thank you. I’ll definitely try that!
Will you get a 3080, 3090, or 3070?
Thanks for the feature. Glad the water block sizes got inserted in time for the correction :)
Erik from EK.
Hey there! Cool what's your job at EK?
I'm pretty confident I can fit a RTX 3090 in my QBX... not that I can afford a quarter of it xD
A quarter of that is a cheap gpu :/
QBX FTW
RTX 2080 ti owners reaction to Nvidia. ua-cam.com/video/VCNhzBB2aMU/v-deo.html 1 min vid.
I’m only curious to see if the card can fit in my Corsair 220t case anyone know if it will fit ?
Pug Tech Tips thats not a real youtube
Just wanted to say your videos are awesome man, always clean & efficient. As for the card, very interesting design. For my NZXT H1 I will probably have to go for an aftermarket solution.
I've been thinking about this too. I'm wondering if it might actually be great for the H1, IF you do the little NF-A4x20 mod that some people have done. The flow-through would seemingly dump the hot air right into the exhaust fans - which would be ideal.
Quick Tech News I think the EVGA XC3 will definitely fit. While the clearance is 45mm acc to the NZXT site, it’s realistically 55mm without the filter.
The MSI offerings are too thick. Asus ones are straight up 3 slots. Gigabyte are 2.5-2.75. They maaaayyy fit, but it’s really difficult to say, as we don’t have exacts.
I just hope the 650 watt included PSU holds up. Acc to many sites with wattage calculators, it should be able to (just barely), but I think I’ll under clock my CPU and GPU just to be safe.
Happy building!
RTX 2080 ti owners reaction to Nvidia. ua-cam.com/video/VCNhzBB2aMU/v-deo.html 1 min vid.
Cut a square hole right above the MB on the gpu side of the case. There’s enough space if you can sacrifice 1 SSD slot
@@atthelord a 5700XT Red Devil definitely fits and that's 53mm I think. Wouldn't go higher though.
When you get your hands on the 3080, could you try and test it in the H1?
I dont even care, im buying it and im gonna shove it in my H1
I wonder if the fan mod on the back of the H1 case would make a significant difference.
@@MrMooMoo89 that’s nice, but I’d rather know before investing in the wrong card :) if they can’t watercool it for example... that would be fucked up.
@@MrMooMoo89 i’d rather keep it unmodded if that makes the case bigger (I assume that’s the one) so I’d rather not do that.
@@itsPovich The mod doesn't really make the case bigger, you screw in a couple fans at the back to add more airflow. If you are placing the case on a desk like most of us do then its completely unnoticeable. It would be my last resort if I run into serious thermal issues, however if the card just runs a little hot and within the thermal constraints then I don't care.
I find it amazing what you do with your youtube channel. Everything is so polished, so professional.. and it seems like it's all done by one single person. I watch Linus but he has a team and a business entirely reliable on a group and yet one single person (you) can make an astonishing youtube channel with plenty of content like no other can do. It's pretty amazing. Just wanted to comment a compliment. From an admirer.
Dude Linus’s channel “LTT” post one video every freaking day, beside his other channels which add up to be more than 7 video in the week.
Show some respect to one of the most important people in PC community please
Yup
I find myself watching so many of his videos on things I don't give a shiit about 😂😂
Just for the calming voice, edits, lighting, quality and pacing
Even his renders are "agency quality"
Everyone with a H1 sweating rn lol. Hopefully we get some cards in the future which try to design something that works in more ITX cases.
I think water cooling will work the best
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from the looks of it, the ASUS TUF rtx3080 will work fine for the NZXT h1
@@jordanbartek That card is a 2.7 slot and the H1 supports up to 2.5 slot.
@@Felix-ru7qj The TUF is 51.7 depth and H1 can fit up to 54mm.
Damn dude those guns!!! nice work, ALSO BEST INTROs in the industry did you make that your self??!!
“It’s time for you to retired”
My GTX750: yea ok
My wallet: umm no mate
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hardman
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I´m so happy to have opted for the NCase M1 instead of a Ghost S1 :-)
I love how calmly u speak & how minimal your studio is..u must be very organized in your life..keep up the good work bro..a new subscriber here..😊😊
Good video.
Finally someone going into detail on this topic.
Now give me actual temps and noise levels and I am SOLD on the FE.
Really wanna have the RTX 3080 FE this time, looks beautiful. First time ever, normally I would wait and buy one of the custom cards as I always did.
There's something unique about them.
@@colemin2 exactly :)
It's very innovative. Let's see if they will perform as promised!
I would wait until big navi comes out. (And after 3070 Ti 16GB or 3080 20GB release.)
@@valentineli305 It may be the smartest thing to do, playing the waiting game. My brain knows that.
But my heart wants me to grab a 3080 asap 😂🙊
@@HitokiriShin If you have money for it and want the features only Nvidia gpus can offer, that's fine. If not, don't pull the trigger so fast. The Samasung 8nm yields are bad, limiting supply of 3000 gpus, making them hard and more expensive to buy. Big Navi would likely be cheaper with close to 3080 or better performance, and better availability.
I HAVE to wait because the island I am staying on doesn't have ITX boards and import duty is absurd. Will have to wait until Christmas when I go back home. Hope this will help me see the clearer picture of what both companies can offer.
This might encourage manufacturers to bring out more console type cases for these GPUs
But they are possible due to control of all the components allowing far more optimisation than the flexible modular mix n match of a PC
If you could test this "convection" cooling system with a case focussing on bottom-up airflow and an Ice Giant Prosiphon cooler this would be sweet. Perhaps trying the Lian Li O11D mini? This would probably be the most convection airflow optimized setup:
- 3x120 bottom intake
- RXT 3080 FE (ideally)
- IG Prosiphon (has 4x120 fans)
- 3x120 top fans.
How about this?
PS: Using hot air through another colling unit is not necessarily an issue. Within certain parameters it can even be beneficial, has the airflow regardless of the temperature helps circulating air faster whilst the moving hot air does not warm the component very much as it moves. Also the flow-through design could help with RAM and VRM cooling.
The Founder Edition it is. Love too smack a waterblock on that short PCB of the RTX 3090. That's gonna be one powerful ITX build.
Hello, congratulations on your Chanel! Best sff UA-camr by far!
I have a question. Did you have the chance to look at the InWin A1 Plus?
I am thinking about doing a new build on one with a 3700X and a NVidia 3080 but I don’t know if the case would have good thermals for such a config.
Would love to have your input on this.
Thank you!
Still being very curious about why don't they just put the second fan in the front and blow air right through the heat sink? Won't it be much more efficient than suck the air through?
I added fans underneath and yea it dropped 7c lol
Obviously most won't know the real answer for a little while but pause at 7:45. The "X" shaped shroud going around the card, is that too a heat sink or plastic? I wanted to know because I was planning on painting that portion white to match the Black/White theme of my build. Look at 7:41, before I even saw this image I assume the entire shroud was a heat sink based off of aesthetics but seeing those 4x heat pipes connecting to the frame/chassis of the card further makes me believe that it's indeed a heat sink.
These sick thermal design shots are blender renders, am I right? If so, hats off, Ali! Fantastic job!
Hey! Just a small curiosity, what software are you using for the 3d renders? And are you tweaking some of the 3d models yourself or do you find them online and just animate them for the video?
Super clean videos as always, I don't ever comment on stuff but have had this curiosity for a while
He said he used blender and the 3D model was done by himself.
Is the fan reversed? From all the images seem like the air is blown downwards, not upwards.
think youre right and dont get it
has to be noway they would design it otherwise
That flow animation is the one NVIDIA used itself in the launch. ua-cam.com/video/E98hC9e__Xs/v-deo.html
What images you're referring to?
you trippin?
@@synchronos1 yeah but its fucking wrong... i think, im right now try to find out where i am false but if you know the airflow direction from pc fans and why they have a main direction you get where this is false...
Can't believe how much this channel has grown in such a short time. Here well before 100K and you deserve all of them with your production quality man.
The NCase M1 should work well. I wonder if the Accelero will fit on the 3080.
RTX 2080 ti owners reaction to Nvidia. ua-cam.com/video/VCNhzBB2aMU/v-deo.html 1 min vid.
Yeah I am also very interested in this.
I think it should. Maybe the 92mm exhaust will help remove some of the heat from the 2nd gpu fan. Assuming the cpu is watercooled. At least that's what I plan to do.
The bottom fans of the M1 don't usually do much (unless coupled with an Accelero), but with the 3080 FE they might help quite a bit, because they would give you direct airflow onto that passively cooled middle section. Of course most of that air would then be reused by the card's stock fans, but still.
QuantumBraced what size fan do people use?
Look at 2:00 . The fan on the back looks like intake to me. This makes 2:45 look odd. I think it would make sense for it to be intake as it would feed the other fan rather than fight for air with it. I know it would be warm air, but warm air is better than no air.
Hey man, when are you releasing that video on popular mods for the H1?
Great content as always! Also, please get a patreon!
second this
Cut a square hole right above the MB on the gpu side of the case. There’s enough space if you can sacrifice 1 SSD slot
Fantastic vid... the way you went above and beyond to address SFF case owners is awesome, so thank you.
Ncase M1 or CM NR200P looks like the way to go! I'm already waiting for your builds with those 2 !!!
If you're willing to dremel out part of the plastic front panel frame, there is actually exactly enough room to fit the RTX 3080 FE in the SG13 without breaching the mesh. I have a 1080 Ti SC2 in mine that's 270mm in length, and I measured it, I could fit an extra 15mm of card in with this mod, millimeter perfect for the 3080 FE.
did you model and animate the gpu at the beginning all by yourself?
Like, holy shit dude
Also what software was it rendered in? It looks like it's Ray traced? And the lighting and background looks very smooth.
I think those renders came from the official Nvidia release
Same question
@@josh_showalter I think some did, but not the ones at the beginning with the coloured backgrouns.
RTX 2080 ti owners reaction to Nvidia. ua-cam.com/video/VCNhzBB2aMU/v-deo.html
I actually think h1 will work fairly nicely with 3080 because you can simply add an additional 140mm on the back plate to suck hot air out which is something I did with mine and it significantly reduced internal temp of the system. Worst case is to use a custom front plate with air vents and mount another 140mm in the front to create an air flow. As for power requirement, I’m using a ryzen 3900x and most time during gaming CPU usage is around 10%, so the power supply load should work with 3080 without any issues. I am so excited to add 3080 my h1, making it one the best performing itx system.
EVGA has the XC3 cooler that is 285mm in length and "2.2 slot" thickness, but it appears thin enough to fit in the Dan A4. Something to look out for.
EVGA was one of the few brands that had a 2 slots 2080ti. So I put all my hope in the XC3 to fit the Dan A4.
What's the point of having the through fan pull in a reverse spinning direction? Why not just have it pull normally?
what do you think about PSUs with these cards? a lot of us running SF600s from corsair in ITX builds do you think that will be enough for a 3080?
If 3080 stays within stated 320w then SF600 is enough for 3080. Having CPU under 100-120W (so stock 3700x is all good) is good idea though.
@@niter43 I´m thinking the same as you. I have a SF600 with 3700X. Have to choose between GPU or CPU overclock xD
Do you think the 3070 would run on a 600w psu as well?
@@stabbed4665 quite obviously if 3080 does. 3070 is whole 100w less in TDP.
Silverstone has a 700W SFX that I'm looking at for just this reason. That should give a little OC headroom.
I don't understand the rear fan graphics. Clearly, the fan image shows that the fan would have a clockwise rotation when looking at the card from above which would suggest the airflow would be down drawing cool air from the top and exhausting down. I am off base here or what?
Would be nice if you could flip the fan at the end of the card, and exhaust out the bottom of some cases.
Changing flow direction by rewiring the fan cables should be an easy job, if nvidia didn't everything in place again. However, I doubt that this would be of any use, as the new exhaust would be right next to the first fan, which would suck in some warm air. It might be a feasible option to rewire both fans, so that the first fan sucks air infrom the gpu bracket and exhausts it out of the bottom (or side for sandwich layouts) of the case aswell. That way exhausted air and intake air would not mix.
There might be significant drawbacks though regarding the efficiency of the fans turning in reverse and rather creating negative pressure than originally positive pressure.
All that still probably won't be worth voiding your warranty though.
I can hardly wait for Ali's testing and tinkering regarding all these questions.
@@renedescartes2613 changing the polarity of tje fan wont get the desired effect. As then youll be spinning a fan the wromg way and it wont "scoop" the air in to pass through. Now taking the card apart and flipping tje fan however may work. Ill just buy an evga card as always and waterblock it lol..
Then you’d be sucking air from the cpu unless you have an aio then just leave the fan be exhausting to the top because hot air easily flows bottom to top. You’d also be heating up the initial fan which is probably doing the most cooling (judging by it being right on top of the die).
@@emdhie - 3 Low RPM intake fans on the front of the case.
Why? It's not like the cpu will struggle to keep cool anyways. The cpu is chilling when you use your gpu anyways.
This is just going to keep it cooler. Where do you think the hot air goes in a regular non blower card?
The content is very cleaned and very professional. Lighting, background, detail. I have been looking up to you. What kind of camera are you using? BTW, I have 3900x, 32gb C18 3600mhz, OS 10 pro x64, Kraken z72, 1200W, X570-E gaming. Should I get founders edition or AIB? is 3090 overkill for my build? I do videos and gaming. Competitive gaming. Thanks in advance.
Rip ghost s1 - 2020. Haven’t found 1 card that would fit/work without going water cooling
Just going to have to buy a reverse rotation fan blade
Hardware Canucks did a RTX 30 AIB video and there's a Zotac 3070 mini-type card they put up a picture of but a lot of people are more interested in the 3080's & 90's. Most of those cards are 2.5 designs and may be a tight fit or won't fit at all. I picked up a Sapphire Nitro+ 5700XT and I was unable to get it into my FormD T1 case. I'd expect the a good number of the new RTX's to be in the same boat.
3070 should work fine. fits very good (a lot of room left) and the fan configuration is different than the 3080 and 3090. the 3070 has the fans both underneath as intake if you look closely and should be close to what the founders were last generation.
I feel this on a deep level. That said, SFF cases are becoming more mainstream and I have hope that we will eventually see more options for 3rd party cards in time.
@@antonionamezuccardi7884 I had my eye on a 3080 and they all look a little chunky to comfortably fit in either the H1 or FormD T1 that I have. Can't wait to see if Big Navi is as competitive and stays slim and trim to be more sff friendlier than the new RTX cards.
Would it be too hot to go for the 3080 in the Ghost S1 even with watercooling?
And do you know if there will be 3070 waterblocks? Seems better for the S1 because of the watts needed.
Great video again again!
HI! Could you please tell if the airflow will manageable in NZXT H1, with a 3080. Was eagerly waiting for you to address this topic!
i wanna know too
@@yellow5670 same
yeah.. me too
you will probably have to stick to a traditional designed cooler but the ASUS TUF rtx3080 will most likely work in the NZXT H1 case dimension and airflow wise
If I might correct you, EVGA has a 2 slot rtx 3090. It's the Evga RTX 3090 XC3. Looks to be standard height, exactly 2 slots thick but a tad longer.
Can't wait to see you testing it before I buy it :)
If you don't buy it on day one you're more than likely going to have to wait untill the first half of next year, unless of course, you are willing to pay scalper prices.
@@JWW10666 Yeah no rush. I am fine sitting on my 2080ti for bit longer
Will the 3080 fit into the Thermaltake F1 suppressor?
Also, wouldn't it be cool if the open fan could change its airflow direction? !
i like how they are experimenting with different cooling design and it look interesting, but i miss the days where FE cards were blower style
I can't even imagine how much noise a 350W TDP blower card would make.
I've noticed that all of EVGA's hybrid 3000 series cards come with a minimum of a 240mm radiator. The 3090 kingpin comes with a 360mm radiator. For water cooling in a smaller case, you are going to need a lot of radiator space to keep the temperatures down, especially if the smaller cane doesn't have great air flow.
I'd love to see a recommendation for which 30-series card to use for a strix mod-style ncase m1 build in the future. Asus seems to have redesigned their Strix cards, so it's hard to say if one of those would still be the best option this gen.
Yeah the 3080 and 3090 Strix are both 2.9 slots now. Hoping there is at least one card that mods cleanly like the 2000 series Strix
@@Camina.Drummer yeah, I currently have a strix mod ncase m1 build with a RTX 2070 (non-super), and I really want to upgrade to 30-series. I'm hoping either Optimum Tech or at least someone on r/sffpc tries it first and shares what works
@@jacob5283 Yeah same. I have all parts but GPU for new build and unsure of what card to buy. I have a custom CPU loop, so I could add GPU to it, but I would prefer the Strix mod (or an accellero I guess)
while the 2nd fan does push hot air straight into the cpu cooler, all non blower aircooled gpu already does the same thing. the heat doesnt disappear magically.
Vega 56 from the likes of Powercolor and Sapphire had pretty much the same through-flow design as Brent from pcper mentioned. No one else on earth seems to remember 😆.
My old Radeon R9 270X from Gigabyte did as well.
Jesus, what an awesome indepth video covering the potential issues. Thanks man ^_^ Being someone who is a complete novice the idea of a dual radiator build is kind of terrifying, but something I'd love to tackle/learn one day.
Thoughts on trying to air cool a 3080 FE in an NCase M1? I was thinking of having the cpu cooled with a side 240 rad (intakes) and extra fans under the gpu pushing extra air into the card
Fwoop_Fwoop That’s my plan too. Looks like a bottom fan will pair well with the exposed heat sink on the FE card.
What about normal cpu coolers like wraith prism/ spire etc that are not tower coolers. I'm guessing the 3080FE will not cause a problem if there is enough positive pressure in the case??
How is a Founder's Edition not using a reference board?
So what would happen if you mounted it sideways?
Pls make a H1 test with one of the 30xx cards when they come out!
it may be a stupid question but can't they just punch a exact-sized hole directly above the top exhaust on the backplate? they can add a bit of reinforcements elsewhere to compensate
Ah yes I love hot air blowing into my Noctua nhd-15
Yeah!! At least you can use a hair dryer to simulate an RTX 30 .. it's the nearest I'll get to one!
Would you try testing the new cooler in a 90 degree orientation (ALA Silverstone) when you get your hands on the card? Would love to see if there's a difference! The long heat pipes have me worried.
I think Silvestone cases with 90 degree orientation will be the best choice for the 3080 Founders Edition.
Me: *got a 2070 SUPER a month ago*
Also me: Bye bye 2070 SUPER
You wouldn’t mind give that to a Freind in need right?:)
@@LVBT M a y b e
But also probably not
Are you sure about the displayed airflow of the 3080? Both fans seem to be pushing
1:00 the fan blades are modeled incorrectly, so many 3D modellers got that part wrong...
You mean the fan at the back side that should be in the pull position instead of push (to the bottom) like in the render? I thought it was just me.. I mean it confuses me too when they said that the fan is supposed to pull air from the bottom but the fan in the video shows the opposite..
I saw this. Maybe is just for show
They didn't get it wrong. It's designed like that by Nvidia themselves. That's how the actual card looks.
@@rheeko2119 I guess you're right. After closer look, it does seems the fan blades are in correct orientation (at least for the official nvidia renders). It just sometimes it looks incorrect when you're looking it from different angle. But yeah the top fan is on a pull configuration.
@@rheeko2119 no, the blades are curved in a different way, nvidia made them pull air from inside of the card up and away from fan hub to make it quieter, the curve on blades is much more complex than a regular fan blade that pushes air in.
just look at image by NVIDIA themselves i.imgur.com/sVkeFWo.png
it looks like it grabs air near fins inside a card and moves it out
3D modelers' fan design looks like regular fan that pushes air in and spins clockwise
FE 3080 in Ncase M1 with 240mm AIO cpu cooler might be good, i think the 240 on exhaust will help pull air out.
I just hope it won't be too tight creating turbulence. That's something i would love to see you test m8
i was thinking of doing this as well with a 3090 hybrid aio from evga, but i was stuck on the cpu cooling part. are thinking of using a low profile cpu cooler like a noctua NH-L9i?
You repeat a common misconception that this will heat up CPU Air coolers in mid tower cases.
It won't, at least not any more than normal open air GPU coolers. With an open air cooler all the heat still exhaust behind the CPU anyway, and actually since half this card works like a blower, less heat will makes its way to the CPU area, than would in a normal open Air coolers.
Then only GPU coolers than will have less CPU heat impact are pure blower cards, or ones that have some liquid cooling.
I was trying to find out if this was an issue or not, but almost no one seems to be talking about it.
I don't know much about how heat sinks work, but i'd assume air temp doesn't matter much as it's only job is to push heat/energy off of the heatsink fins, so so long as there's airflow it' shouldn't matter much. but then again, i could be completely wrong.
I agree with you but I am also a science pleb. Brain just think it be ok.
I bought an RX5700 XT Nitro two weeks ago, was thinking of returning it and getting 3080 or 3070 but the airflow of the 3080 scares me a little, cause it's pushing hot air right intro my R7 3700X which is already running hotter than the RX 5700, I think i will also need a water cooler for the CPU... should I still upgrade to 3000?
Man all this reviewers get to use the new cards early...
Hell they might be using them at this very moment...
Nope....
Yeah when the ipad 2020 released, suddenly like 20 youtubers revealed they've had special access for it for over 2 weeks already like wtf
@@Mythic_Wisdom With every hardware launch some UA-camrs have early access because making tests and review takes time. They just can't say that because of NDA.
@@krlgrudzinski Yup you're most likely correct about that one. All these youtubers are probably drooling all over the cards with their filthy gamersweat
What's your gut feeling on whether your NCase 2x240mm rad water cooler setup will be enough to cool an AMD Ryzen 3950 and a 3090?
I can't even afford that but here I am 😂
Same, waiting for 3060 LOL
@2:49 how is the second fan above the geforce rtx led sucking in air from the bottom when its oriented that way. Wouldnt it would sucking air in from the top?
3:08 Radiator mounted incorrectly (Steve GN) 😁
I really needed this one, now I understand airflow so much better now.....no more using smoke.
2:01 come on.......the fan of your ''animation'' is blowing the air into the wrong direction ! 🤔
it's exactly the same as Nvidia's animation?
Shouldn't the Sliger CL520/530 work well? The intake/outtake of the slim case should line up perfectly with the card's in/out fans.
3:20 something about AIO radiator placement
I wonder why youtubers still don't change the orientation after the gamers nexus video.
3:20 one is fine - top of the radiator is above the pump, it might be a little bit louder, but not like you can turn it around in that case.
5:55 and 8:15 builds tho...
I really like the way you make your videos. Do you edit everything by yourself?
Quality content + sick production as always.
I'm sure he does
If he tries to hire someone with equal editing and lighting skills, it'll cost $10,000 a month or more
Or he'll have to hire an agency
3:21 Someone hasn't watched Gamers Nexus.
He seen it (I think he said that on Twitter). In his case it is OK, because pump is lower than the top of a radiator. And TechJesus said 'don't harass youtubers'.
@@krlgrudzinski Who's harassing who? Clearly the pump is lower than the top of the radiator.
I love the design and efficiency, my Phantecs eclipse s600 will love this cooling airflow
What I don't understand is the 'flow-through' fan seems to me to be mounted on the wrong side. It's clearly the same fan as on the IO end of the card, but the blade geometry is so wrong for it to suck through the radiator. Are they running it backwards? Looks like they designed the cooler to blow up and down initially and realised they'd be sucking in warm air from underneath so changed it to all flow upwards, so shouldn't both fans be on the underside like normal?
I want to switch from an RTX ASUS TURBO to FE RTX 3080. And I want to buy Phanteks Evolv Shift Air.
Can you please give me an advice on how it will preform in that case? I really like that case, but I'm not sure about the air cooling of the GPU.
Because I always liked the FE editions from nVidia. I don't want it watercooled or a with 3rd party GPU design.
If it's not okay I will get a mid tower like Phanteks Eclipse P500A or similar.
Maybe you could do a demo with your little brother's system.
Thank you for the great videos as always.
Peace!
Finally a 3000 video worth watching
i'm slightly confused. doesn't the fan on the right side look like it's blowing air DOWN instead of up in the direction of the RAM and the cpu cooler?
The EVGA CX3 looks relatively small, compared to a lot of the other 3080/3090 cards. 285 x 111 x 45
I think the Founders Edition will work well with the NCASE M1. 2x bottom intake fans feed air to the GPU, then you can have radiator fans from an AIO acting as exhaust about if you want. Or if you have a small tower cooler, you would maybe have a 120mm fan mounted toward the front of the case for intake (above the GPU fan exhaust) and it'd likely mix with the warmer air that gets fed through the CPU cooler out the back.
For an air-cooled CPU in a non-ITX case, maybe makes sense to reverse the CPU and rear case fans so the air blows towards the front of the case? Thus avoiding having heat-polluted air from the GPU going through the CPU cooler.
Really curious about the software you're using for the 3D render, a slight hint at the monitor, still can't guess it
I know this ist noch the main topic of this great video! But I think you got the airflow wrong. On 6:09 the cold air gets sucked in from the top and is exhausted through the bottom.
This might end up in some kind of airflow from right to left out of the case.
i believe the flow path at 3:00 is wrong simply looking at the fan blades, it seems like it should intake from the back of the card and exhaust to the front making an s bend to the rear fan to be exhausted out after making cooling primarily come from the back of the case and secondary cooling being the back of the car. i could be wrong though but if i am thats an extremely inefficient blade design for a pull through system but very efficient for push through
doesn't top through fan exhaust air down (2:45 sec) - based on the prop design it seems to be pusher prop and not puller prop...
The concern with the warmer air passing through the CPU air cooler is not an issue. An open air CPU cooler is a heat exhausting and dispersing apparatus. Not a cold air intake unit to cool the CPU.
Don't suppose anyone can give me a solid upgrade option for a 700 sfx psu in a lian li tu 150x with a aluminum vented side panel instead of the glass. Not sure how i could cool it as I would have to take my bottom slim fans out to fit a 3080 which is what I would want not to mention if I have enough power for it.
I like the renders, did you model it by yourself or can i get the 3d model anywhere?
Which way does the second fan spin? It looks like it will blow heat downwards if in push - but the way your diagram shows pulling air upwards, then it must spin the other way round in pull ? If it is push then it's going to conflict with my bottom case fans & be terrible. If pull, then I don't care about it heating my CPU as I have a 240 AIO on it 👍
i think a mini itx case that will compliment the rtx 3080 will be the In Win A1 as it has fans right at the back of the card and fans at the bottom of the case so it will work really well
I know you've said that the design of the Fractal Era is not ideal for the 10- and 20-series cards. But with this new airflow design, would it be worth reconsidering the Era?
Hello and thanks for the great and informative videos. I have one question though. Why should the air be blown out of the rear fan, the fan blades point inwards, so the air would have to be pushed through the cooling fins and not blown towards the CPU??
I am currently running a air cooled set up on the NCase. My current GPU is de-shrouded with 2 noctuas underneath. It looks like a lot of the 3080 are going to be huge, do you think any of them would be a good fit de-shrouded?
3:20 you should turn that radiator so tubes are at the bottom. It leaves less possibility of pump noise
Great video and confirms my concerns with buying an ITX case for a build I am planning to do very soon with a 3080!
Would you say that the best position for an AIO CPU cooler is at the front top of a mid tower case, possibly only taking 2/3 120mm fan slots to allow an additional 120mm fan to still bring in a slightly cooler air into the case and potentiallly use a couple of extra fans for extracting the air at the back and top of the case?
Do you think that the FE 3080 will have thermal issues in the NZXT h210/h200 case with a sfx psu and a noctua nh-d15 cooler?
I feel like the coolermaster nr200p will be very popular with the 3080. the exhaust systems on the card seem to work well with the card, especially since the hot air won't be blown directly onto glass but rather up into the top exhaust fan.