Cutting an NVIDIA RTX 4090 in Half with a Water Jet: The Science of Cooling

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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  2 роки тому +241

    Der8auer explains thermal paste pump out: ua-cam.com/video/CCqxE-5Ct3w/v-deo.html
    Watch TiN (formerly EVGA) demonstrate how GPUs die from over temperature: ua-cam.com/video/biEoBo8S0Zo/v-deo.html

    • @neb_setabed
      @neb_setabed 2 роки тому +6

      Clickbait

    • @edwardalphonse4091
      @edwardalphonse4091 2 роки тому +3

      @La maison Rock du Procrastinateur h

    • @edwardalphonse4091
      @edwardalphonse4091 2 роки тому +2

      @@neb_setabed a

    • @dirkmanderin
      @dirkmanderin 2 роки тому +7

      The headline is a bit clickbaity, since you're not cutting the actual card in half...

    • @jitk1
      @jitk1 2 роки тому

      The formerly is what I feared when EVGA dissolved their GPU segment... These engineers should have no problems finding new work, it's just a shame that they are put in this position.

  • @austinshaner
    @austinshaner 2 роки тому +1662

    As an engineer, I felt right at home in this video. Big companies don't typically send their engineers out for PR purposes. Because let's be honest, most engineers will bore you with the details. But from a company that keeps things pretty close to the chest, this was extremely refreshing. You can tell he's had a lot of hands on experience developing these coolers. He did a great job. Please have him back!

    • @prgnify
      @prgnify 2 роки тому +49

      Man I wish we could get a multi hour presentation on his experience doing CFD for a company with 'infinite computing resources' as he put.

    • @theheadone
      @theheadone 2 роки тому +15

      Definitely spot on. I felt like I was at work talking with some of the PhD's.

    • @marcm.
      @marcm. 2 роки тому +17

      Personally I would have loved to have heard more on each one of these areas that he touched on. This video could easily have been two times the length and I would have still been entranced

    • @adjoho1
      @adjoho1 2 роки тому +5

      While I really enjoyed this segment, it's not relevant to me. I custom loop my systems, so the cooler on a GPU is relevant only for the period I power the card on to make sure it powers up. My STRIX 3080 cooler lasted about 5 minutes before I removed it and installed a water block. I wish vendors would offer a bare card for users like me.

    • @MeGaDwarf2008
      @MeGaDwarf2008 2 роки тому +2

      @@adjoho1 Some vendors do sell a pre-installed waterblock versions, I think MSI and Gigabyte had one last generation.
      I'm running the MSI's 2080 waterblock card for example. Which was a major PITA to service, but that's a bit of a side topic.

  • @DaniIhzaFarrosi
    @DaniIhzaFarrosi 2 роки тому +3723

    In spite of all hate towards NVIDIA, this video reminds us that there are passionate and real genuine people in it. It’s unfortunate that all the bad decisions the company made overshadow the talent behind it.

    • @michaelblue4619
      @michaelblue4619 2 роки тому +73

      I mean the 4090 made by passionate and genuine people was always a good gpu.

    • @rvs55
      @rvs55 2 роки тому +68

      And even then, how bad or good those decisions are, is also relative.
      Those decisions are only bad for the average consumer. It doesn't really affect the more affluent or rich consumers. And it benefits the company and shareholders.
      So it all depends on where you stand. Heh.

    • @simonwei92
      @simonwei92 2 роки тому +119

      Agreed. Always remember guys, hate a company if you will, but never extend that hate to the normal people working in that company.

    • @Dudi4PoLFr
      @Dudi4PoLFr 2 роки тому +59

      And this is my problem with huge corporations like Nvidia. We only hear and see what the suits in upper management are doing/saying while in the back, there are hundreds if not thousands of passionate engineers doing all the hard work and pushing the limits of technology that we will never know about.

    • @TRAMP-oline
      @TRAMP-oline 2 роки тому +46

      @@rvs55 You don't become affluent or rich by wasting money. That's a very bad way of putting it. Affluent and rich people weigh the cons and pros and accept or deny it based on their means like anyone else.

  • @Real28
    @Real28 2 роки тому +3272

    NVIDIA executives may be questionable at best but NVIDIA engineers are among the best in the entire business.

    • @supra107
      @supra107 2 роки тому +404

      True, all of Nvidia's issues come from the suits.

    • @Taima_the_lion
      @Taima_the_lion 2 роки тому +242

      Probably like that for a lot of the major tech companies since they are the ones actually designing the product and take pride in it

    • @lilblackduc7312
      @lilblackduc7312 2 роки тому +69

      If *Anyone* from Nvidia, or other company explains things truthfully, keep them as a friend. They're uniquely valuable!

    • @789know
      @789know 2 роки тому +46

      Ironic that Jensen wong is also a engineer. People usually associated Nvidia decision with him as he is the CEO

    • @SidorovichJr
      @SidorovichJr 2 роки тому +1

      You assume this by simply products leading performance or something else matters? :)

  • @Scooged
    @Scooged 2 роки тому +551

    I love how happy he is to talk about this stuff. That's real passion. That dude doesn't work for a living, he's just having fun for a living.

    • @bshulke
      @bshulke 2 роки тому +22

      If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work a day in your life.

    • @PDXCustomPCS
      @PDXCustomPCS 2 роки тому +3

      Some of us do it on the side and imagine were like him. Awesome roll model. 👌

    • @szaszm_
      @szaszm_ 2 роки тому +21

      @@bshulke Great saying, but there's a darker flipside to this: If you start doing your hobby professionally, you may get bored with it, or they (colleagues) may make you hate it. It depends on the work environment and your ability to handle or fix it.

    • @svengustaffson385
      @svengustaffson385 2 роки тому

      Wouldn't say that

    • @tobiwonkanogy2975
      @tobiwonkanogy2975 2 роки тому +1

      It definitely something you could pick up on .

  • @Aeqstaw
    @Aeqstaw 2 роки тому +612

    Not sure how you got an NVIDIA engineer out there, but this was an excellent guest and piece of content.

    • @sjohie
      @sjohie 2 роки тому +68

      There was a PR person just outside the camera view, and that guy didn't come along to just handle Malcom's luggage. This is part of a elaborate PR campaign, with probably a pre-approved script etc. But GN won't bend to their will to much, so they, Nvidia I mean, did take somewhat of a risk here. Technicians aren't always good communicators, just like a good cook, might not be all that good at running an complete restaurant. I feel they made the right choice going with Steve and GN, they nail this technical stuff pretty good.

    • @johnd.1618
      @johnd.1618 2 роки тому +2

      Being nice to Nvidia is one reason.

    • @vuri3798
      @vuri3798 2 роки тому +21

      Easy, Nvidia saw that people currently hate them for a reason, so they copied Intel's PR homework hoping it will all go away.

    • @randomassortmentofthings
      @randomassortmentofthings 2 роки тому +42

      An engineer will gladly talk to you about his work all day long: it's his company that won't let him lmao

    • @MrRene5551
      @MrRene5551 2 роки тому +6

      Sponsored by Nvidia, of course GN dropped the pants for them.

  • @twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876
    @twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876 2 роки тому +295

    This is a perfect example that if you can get someone that loves and is excited about their profession the enthusiasm almost becomes contagious. The excitement from the engineers is almost palatable and the crew did a great job of framing it to make it more digestible for the general public as well. Absolutely brilliant video wish it was longer.

    • @hellim24
      @hellim24 2 роки тому +7

      I think you meant palpable, though it is quite amusing that you then use digestible in the same sentence.

    • @twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876
      @twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876 2 роки тому +1

      @@hellim24 voice program in my car sometimes is not the best. Was dictating the response in my car after listening to the video on my commute to work.

    • @hellim24
      @hellim24 2 роки тому +3

      @@twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876 Yeah definitely don't comment on UA-cam videos while driving lmao.

    • @twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876
      @twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876 2 роки тому

      @@hellim24 what are you kidding me it beats the heck out of sitting in traffic doing nothing. Or just listening to a book

    • @hellim24
      @hellim24 2 роки тому +2

      @@twoplustwoequalsfivethatgu4876 Paying attention the road and not dying/killing others is far superior.

  • @chrys9256
    @chrys9256 2 роки тому +1320

    This video is emblematic of the wide gulf between Nvidia's engineering team and the company's executives. It can't be easy for the engineers to witness so much negativity and lack of enthusiasm surrounding the products they worked so hard to create due to the decisions made by the executives.

    • @davidb8539
      @davidb8539 2 роки тому +140

      From experience - this can be applied to most companies.
      Salesmen promise the moon
      Engineering designs the moon
      The execs decide the customers need a lumpy boulder the price of the moon

    • @ffwast
      @ffwast 2 роки тому +70

      @@hyphydan cope

    • @ATR-42
      @ATR-42 2 роки тому +14

      @@davidb8539 totally agree ^^ . hello Boeing lol

    • @ShaneMcGrath.
      @ShaneMcGrath. 2 роки тому +37

      @@hyphydan Not at those prices, Nvidia needs to cope that gpu mining is DED!
      Drop the prices a lot more and many gamers would help clear out those warehouses.

    • @hyphydan
      @hyphydan 2 роки тому +3

      @@ShaneMcGrath. I'm going to sell my 3080 and 3060ti I got for MSRP and mined for a year, and will purchase a 4080 16gb. Problem solved

  • @jokerproduction
    @jokerproduction 2 роки тому +1252

    NVIDIA: unboxing embargo
    Steve: Teardown?
    NVIDIA: Cut it in half with a water jet?
    Steve: Yes.

    • @Blackwing2345635
      @Blackwing2345635 2 роки тому +49

      NVIDIA: Damn it, this madman wouldn't stop anyway! FINE, we'll do it ourselves!

    • @jooplin
      @jooplin 2 роки тому +16

      Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

    • @neondemon5137
      @neondemon5137 2 роки тому +9

      @@jooplin Shaka, when the walls fell.

    • @NEDMKitten
      @NEDMKitten 2 роки тому +3

      @@jooplin when the water jets fell

    • @mikeoleksa
      @mikeoleksa 2 роки тому

      @@Blackwing2345635 🤣🤣🤣

  • @stronkde
    @stronkde 2 роки тому +18

    As an engineer that can relate to product design decisions, hats off to Malcolm for his demonstration and explanations. It's super hard to convey what you did (and why) in a way that people can understand.. Malcolm did a bang up job doing just that!

  • @Cinetyk
    @Cinetyk 2 роки тому +57

    The pricing is still absurd, and me as a costumer can't ignore that. But yeah, it's easy to forget the insane levels of quality engineering work being done by some of the best people in their field and it's cool to watch this kind of stuff. Takes me back to my uni days and physics classes.

    • @RyoHazuki224
      @RyoHazuki224 2 роки тому

      Yeah, the pricing is absurd. I can't even imagine a professional gamer justifying that price for even a small handful of FPS bump. The difference isn't THAT big, the damn cost is way too high. We're getting to a point of diminishing returns here.
      So yes, if you purchase a 4090 brand new to just play games with (as in, you're not a tech reviewer for your job), then you're a damn idiot and you need to get your head examined.

    • @4gbmeans4gb61
      @4gbmeans4gb61 2 роки тому +4

      When has the titan or 90 version ever been cheap? And when have you ever had one? Never?

  • @creed5248
    @creed5248 2 роки тому +594

    Despite him being so technical - he was still able to explain it in fairly simple terms that I could understand . The really made out well by hiring him at Nvidia .

    • @LeftJoystick
      @LeftJoystick 2 роки тому +47

      Yep, the ability to break down complex ideas/things into simple terms is a hallmark of “someone who knows what they’re talking about”.

    • @xerzy
      @xerzy 2 роки тому +9

      @@LeftJoystick Basically, it all comes down to understanding what the *end goal* of it all is, from there you can ignore irrelevant technical details and pretty much break anything down into basic mechanics and/or logic which anyone can keep up with.

    • @sortofsmarter
      @sortofsmarter 2 роки тому +13

      Can you imagine him 20 years from now as a "grey beard", the wisdom he can dispell....

    • @Plusimurfriend
      @Plusimurfriend 2 роки тому +1

      He is white, so he wont last long at Nvidia despite his capabilities.

    • @Matt561
      @Matt561 2 роки тому +4

      I was with the PR guy, most of it right over my head lol

  • @chrisd7829
    @chrisd7829 2 роки тому +361

    I don't know what kinds of shenanigans you guys had to pull to get this to happen. But this is an absolutely amazing video. Good job

    • @Matt561
      @Matt561 2 роки тому +76

      Being an unbiased technical news source for the past 12 years or so

    • @jm8080ful
      @jm8080ful 2 роки тому +33

      nvidia being desperate for some kind of pr with the gpu prices going down

    • @visitante-pc5zc
      @visitante-pc5zc 2 роки тому +4

      Ngreedia, you mean

    • @countvonthizzle9623
      @countvonthizzle9623 2 роки тому +2

      Steve had to tie back his hair. And maybe kneel.

    • @camotech1314
      @camotech1314 2 роки тому

      @@jm8080ful doesn't mean they will reduce their prices, have you seen how much the 4090 costs?🤣🤣🤣

  • @bballer4life24
    @bballer4life24 2 роки тому +252

    Malcom was awesome. Having people like him acting as the face for Nvidia paints them in a much better light. Also, it was cool to see how much goes into these designs and to hear one of the engineers say that they were proud of their design. Makes you realize its it much more than slapping fans on some heatsinks and making it bigger if its still too hot.

    • @Lodinn
      @Lodinn 2 роки тому +4

      It's also pretty interesting, Malcolm's presenting skills are pretty good but you still can tell there's a big gap in experience between him and Steve and Steve has to play a host role constantly guiding him so it doesn't get too jargon-y for the viewers.

  • @lxndrlbr
    @lxndrlbr 2 роки тому +37

    This content is a huge plus and differentiator of your channel. I am very interested in seeing all engineering topics in the future. They could be scheduled between announcements seasons. I hope you get all the energy and resources to produce more content like you do!

  • @BrilliantDesignOnline
    @BrilliantDesignOnline 2 роки тому +33

    As an (non-thermal) engineer, this is fascinating stuff, and amazing the thought and testing they put into these designs.

  • @Grendizer81
    @Grendizer81 2 роки тому +57

    Being a pro in their own domain is one thing, being able to talk about it in simple terms to the unknowledgable is another. That ability shows his competence. Very impressive.

  • @JohnnyWednesday
    @JohnnyWednesday 2 роки тому +91

    This is the kind of engagement I want to see from tech companies - most of their customers might not be tech savvy but every single one of them has a friend that is whom is consulted at every purchase.

    • @jeroen9424
      @jeroen9424 2 роки тому +1

      And GN is our "friend", they're one of the only people I trust when it comes to reviewing hardware. I do not have friends that are really into pc hardware :(

    • @JGMeador444
      @JGMeador444 2 роки тому +1

      @@jeroen9424 Yeah, I trust GN, der8auer, and Hardware Unboxed. That's it.

    • @ChowdongsFameCrew
      @ChowdongsFameCrew 2 роки тому

      oh yes haha :D

  • @ambush1242
    @ambush1242 2 роки тому +377

    You guys are the gold standard for computer hardware investigation. Incredible work here guys.

    • @redstar612
      @redstar612 2 роки тому +12

      Nexus is on another level with PC content same with der8auer's channel!

    • @Phytrox
      @Phytrox 2 роки тому +4

      Exactly my thoughts, GN & Der8auer are on next level

    • @HaiHane
      @HaiHane 2 роки тому +3

      Gold standard? Was expecting actual 4090 getting cut in half
      What I got: 4090 cooler cut in half
      Sad cat thumb. Quality clickbait. Gold standard

    • @dylanherron3963
      @dylanherron3963 2 роки тому +4

      @@HaiHane It's almost as if they have a business and need to draw traffic and support staff.

    • @HaiHane
      @HaiHane 2 роки тому +4

      @@dylanherron3963 I think you caught on with the sarcasm. My point being they don't need to pull a Linus clickbait move if they are serious in distinguishing with actual proper quality. Their content is good, they don't need to pull this shady title move.

  • @apohorecki
    @apohorecki 2 роки тому +128

    I really appreciate GN doing these unique types of videos. I have to admit that some of it went over my head, but I enjoyed listening to the engineer. He seems really proud and enthusiastic about his work.

    • @Watchfulfox
      @Watchfulfox 2 роки тому +3

      Watch it again, you'll see it's all basically common physics principles in action. The stuff you learn in school put to use in the real world instead of just being formulas on paper.

    • @Ken-no5ip
      @Ken-no5ip 2 роки тому +1

      @@Watchfulfox you calculate the enthalpy flow of steam when you cook spaghetti?

  • @r2d2arm
    @r2d2arm 2 роки тому +14

    As a structural engineer in aerospace, appreciated the bit about adding extra columns for stability in the vapor chamber. Great video and very informative. The PR guy shouldn't have to worry, fundamental equations and laws! Probably had that Winona Ryder gif on loop in his head 😂

  • @SasquatchComposites
    @SasquatchComposites 2 роки тому +187

    This was quite possibly my favorite GN video of all time. Really tickled my aerospace engineer brain to learn how they're applying heat transfer and fluid dynamics to ultimately give us more fps for our entertainment. It'd be super fun to be part of that team. The engineering here is just as sophisticated as what I do on aircraft.

    • @DummyUrD
      @DummyUrD 2 роки тому +5

      sounded more like fps while having a tolerable level of sound :p

    • @joseverdejo9010
      @joseverdejo9010 2 роки тому +1

      I thought of propeller pitch and blade counts lol

  • @dhofari9009
    @dhofari9009 2 роки тому +106

    It seems that Nvidia has high confidence on the performance of the 4000 series to allow for such video especially with GN.
    As an Engineer I found the amount of technical information on this video is crazy. Well done

  • @kornydad14
    @kornydad14 2 роки тому +375

    As an Aerospace Engineer myself, this discussion was awesome. To have the computing power that Nvidia has at there fingertips to run CFD must be amazing. Most companies have to rent computing power at an incredible cost to run the types of simulations he is talking about. A company I worked for ran a similar study for a fan design we were working on for automotive and it was thousands of dollars just to rent the compute for the few days needed to run the study. This was after we tired running the simulation on our own custom CFD machine with 64 cores and the 4 A6000 an over $60,000 dollar machine at the time. Nvidia probably has 10 times the computing power just lying around.

    • @SplitTheBeat
      @SplitTheBeat 2 роки тому +43

      Nvidia has whole server farms filled with quadro rtx cards at their disposal. It is as the guy said, they have access to near infinite compute power

    • @jay-5061
      @jay-5061 2 роки тому +8

      theyre likely not lying around tho. probably renting it out like u said.

    • @SplitTheBeat
      @SplitTheBeat 2 роки тому +18

      @@jay-5061 They can't have that amount of compute power "laying around". It's stored in hundreds of server racks in special rooms, in buildings the size of a walmart. They connect to that horsepower via multigigabit glass fibre just as any paying client would, but possibly with more features because it's their own shit after all. This is basically engineer heaven lmao

    • @kornydad14
      @kornydad14 2 роки тому +8

      Too be clear, I know it's not just "lying around" but simply meant they probably have access to almost all the compute power not currently in use by customers or other dev teams.

    • @jrsmithunited
      @jrsmithunited 2 роки тому +9

      I've worked with Nvidia and Dell for drug discovery. You need to add some 00s on the end of how much GPUs they have 'lying around'. They are a sizeable provider in the compute-time space. But small fry compared to those who specialize in it obviously.

  • @TillRiedell
    @TillRiedell 2 роки тому +61

    What an amazing video. I'm a senior studying chemical engineering, and there was a ton of cross over. Really interesting! Props to Nvidia for working with you guys to make the video. This is the content that makes GN such a special UA-cam channel.

  • @jtland4842
    @jtland4842 2 роки тому +51

    Thanks to all you guys at GN as well as Malcolm especially, I may have just realized my passion for Thermal Engineering. It is hard to describe how potentially special this video and moment is to me. I have followed you guys at GN for many years always interested in especially cooler testing which may have been slowly preparing me for this video here. Thank you guys so much for making these kinds of videos because they really help to inspire many others like me as well as provide so much education and consumer advice.

    • @peejay1981
      @peejay1981 2 роки тому +1

      I hope you like calculus! Will be an interesting career.

    • @usefulidiot21
      @usefulidiot21 2 роки тому

      I'm a mechanical engineer and thermodynamics might've been the hardest classes I had in college, so you'll be fine as long as you like the challenge.

  • @___DRIP___
    @___DRIP___ 2 роки тому +319

    Malcolm seems very young, but he’s incredibly knowledgeable and educated. What a great video so far GN team.

    • @Agm1995gamer
      @Agm1995gamer 2 роки тому +12

      I've met people who look and sound like him at 35.
      Besides that, you younger you are when you learn the better you understand.

    • @Maxi86inAction
      @Maxi86inAction 2 роки тому +8

      Seems like he really loves his job as well 😄

    • @wongwong1517
      @wongwong1517 2 роки тому +10

      Looks like he's in his late 20s. Steve could too, with a shave.

    • @Agm1995gamer
      @Agm1995gamer 2 роки тому +16

      @@Maxi86inAction
      Imagine being a thermal engineer for nvidia at 19 years old.

    • @fVNzO
      @fVNzO 2 роки тому +13

      @@Agm1995gamer Not true. Neuroplasticity does not stop at 25. And guided learning is always more effective than opportunistic.

  • @Real_MisterSir
    @Real_MisterSir 2 роки тому +326

    I find it quite funny how a lot of people have to physically see engineers, designers, etc to remember that there is more to companies than just their board members and marketing team.
    It's great to see how GN's influence in the tech world is so well respected. Thanks Steve!

    • @BrooklynBalla
      @BrooklynBalla 2 роки тому +17

      Not sure what you mean.When people hate nvidia they’re talking about the top brass that make decisions.

    • @Deliveredmean42
      @Deliveredmean42 2 роки тому +2

      @@BrooklynBalla but sadly they blame the regular workers as well without second thought. You need to remember not everyone has common sense when it comes to behind the screen stuff...

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir 2 роки тому +4

      @@BrooklynBalla Clearly you haven't read many comments in the past years. Not just the top guys. Also I'm referring to a lot of the comments on this vid that clearly show how many people "just realize there are good people at Nvidia".

    • @cloudnine5651
      @cloudnine5651 2 роки тому +3

      its how the human brain works......you have to be exposed to something to even know it exists....are people just supposed to know without ever being exposed to the knowledge?

    • @ab185
      @ab185 2 роки тому +2

      It should also remind the armchair engineers on UA-cam, reddit, etc. to keep their thoughts/opinions to themselves. There are enormous teams of incredibly talented engineers working on these things that have forgotten more than most people know.

  • @chrits3396
    @chrits3396 2 роки тому +36

    This is probably the advert Nvidia can receive. Seeing a young and talented engineer explain his contribution to just the cooler alone makes me interested in the product and also interested in other aspects of it.

  • @notwhatitwasbefore
    @notwhatitwasbefore 2 роки тому +2

    Best bit is imagining the PR guys face as he fails to keep up.
    Excellent video

  • @whaaaat_scoobs
    @whaaaat_scoobs 2 роки тому +11

    Thank you NVIDIA and GN for doing this video. I gotta be honest, like many other commenters I have come to think of NVIDIA as a faceless, evil corpo like those straight out of CP2077. Malcolm rocks, the PR guy letting him roll with it rocks, and whoever allowed him to bring all the samples and explain his work designing and testing the new founders cooler deserves a pat on the back. Please do more like this steve!

  • @mpauls85
    @mpauls85 2 роки тому +252

    That was AMAZING!
    Also, kudos to NVIDIA for allowing this.
    The PR-guys off camera where probably sweating the whole time. 😅

    • @kingplunger1
      @kingplunger1 2 роки тому +2

      maybe, but in the end nvidia does shitty things every year and people forget fast, so its not that bad.

    • @endless2239
      @endless2239 2 роки тому +16

      the Nvidia PR-guys saw the responses to Tom Peterson on Linus video and immediately grabbed this dude, some waterjet and send him to GN XD. Genius.

    • @johan1471
      @johan1471 2 роки тому +3

      @@endless2239 can you send the link of the video you're talking about

    • @ZachAttack2U
      @ZachAttack2U 2 роки тому

      @@johan1471 I believe this is the video Endless was talking about:
      ua-cam.com/video/45n5pnEyw9o/v-deo.html

    • @Fate025
      @Fate025 2 роки тому +2

      the PR guy must be constantly thinking, wait did he just reveal everything thats under NDA????

  • @AllSeeingEy3
    @AllSeeingEy3 2 роки тому +20

    Hey yall, microscope tip from another validation guy: Sandbag the table your scope is on and put neoprene sheeting underneath it. That will keep your heartbeat from showing up in the video. For irregular samples, keep some play dough or modeling clay handy! Moosh it into the clay, and it won't wobble while you're moving the stage.
    Love your work!

  • @isaacw7479
    @isaacw7479 2 роки тому +982

    What REALLY needs to be cut in half is the price

  • @GoldenHeartNecklace
    @GoldenHeartNecklace 2 роки тому +4

    I'd love it if that guy made his own engineering channel, he is so genuine in how much he loves his work he's inspiring.

  • @jay_volpe
    @jay_volpe 2 роки тому +5

    You gotta love the engineers involved in making these things.

  • @johnpvaldez99
    @johnpvaldez99 2 роки тому +124

    This dude is seriously underrated, really appreciate his journalism (Newegg videos) and an appreciation for engineering like this one. Also it’s good to not be treated like a teen like some of those video’s from LTT.

  • @BrySA20000
    @BrySA20000 2 роки тому +133

    Malcolm seems like a genuinely nice and knowlegdeable guy, something very different compared to nvidia execs

    • @Kley96
      @Kley96 2 роки тому +1

      And he is so handsome too!

    • @da-yb2nn
      @da-yb2nn 2 роки тому +2

      @@Kley96 Of course Nvidia engineers are Chads

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo 2 роки тому

      @@da-yb2nn
      he looks like a bottom though

    • @yournan7249
      @yournan7249 2 роки тому +2

      @@Kley96 ikr some people have life set to easy mode. bro spawned with good looks, height and knowledge to get free cards forever

    • @popthiccle1158
      @popthiccle1158 2 роки тому

      @@yournan7249 bro he's an engineer. nobody gives a shit what u look like if u don't have the knownledge to make a good product.

  • @vash_dakari
    @vash_dakari 2 роки тому +25

    You can tell how proud Malcom is of this card. That's his baby that he's been working on for a while now, and to see it all together and coming out has got to be a great feeling.

  • @bratwurst_addict
    @bratwurst_addict 2 роки тому +3

    Props to the guy from nvidia and whoever greenlit this project there. I've been glued to the screen for 30 minutes learning about cooling graphics cards while _feeling_ that nvidia is innovating. Great content! I hope there's more of this sort to come in future years.

  • @harlenc1776
    @harlenc1776 2 роки тому

    Great video. Thanks Malcolm for coming out and sharing!

  • @Liquid_Truth
    @Liquid_Truth 2 роки тому +195

    Amazing video. Nobody doing it like Gamers Nexus.

    • @Chriscrusty
      @Chriscrusty 2 роки тому +7

      the video's not even out long enough for you to have watched it lmao

    • @lightchips6164
      @lightchips6164 2 роки тому +2

      @@Chriscrusty He watched it at 2x speed lol

    • @snoochpounder
      @snoochpounder 2 роки тому +5

      Der8auer is also doing great work imo but yeah GN is sick af

    • @InvadeNormandy
      @InvadeNormandy 2 роки тому +1

      @@linuxsnob
      For your username you sure are missing the point.
      IE: "We're checking if this vapor chamber claim is marketing hokum and bunk or legitimate, and whether or not it's well designed. Which will have ramifications for cooling solutions and after market decisions and let you know if it's competently made or trash." Thus saving countless people potentially money or letting them know if there's any faith to be had in at least a part of the product.
      You're welcome, I did all your thinking for you.

    • @Chriscrusty
      @Chriscrusty 2 роки тому +1

      @@linuxsnob this is bait

  • @dougtemple8474
    @dougtemple8474 2 роки тому +44

    Clearly, Malcolm paid a lot of attention in the thermodynamics portion of his physics courses and it really grabbed him. Loads of really interesting stuff in this video, I'm sure a lot of it went over many viewers' heads (a lot went over my head but I understood a lot of what he was at least trying to get at.) When he's done working for nVidia I could see this guy being a physics professor at a university.

    • @timlaunyc
      @timlaunyc 2 роки тому +5

      In engineering, thermo is its own set of classes. But, airflow may be covered in a fluid dynamic class(es).

    • @kingplunger1
      @kingplunger1 2 роки тому

      prof for engineering courses yes, "pure" physics no (ofc he might be able to, but apart from some intro courses, physics is very different)

  • @zackmatey1793
    @zackmatey1793 2 роки тому +121

    Amazing. This is why GN is the best reviewer in the industry right now

    • @lilblackduc7312
      @lilblackduc7312 2 роки тому +10

      He's always been "that smart kid with the scruffy beard & long hair". (8yrs ago) He started gaining recognition just a couple years ago, finally.

  • @joyQuery
    @joyQuery Рік тому +1

    Wow -- this video blew me away! Usually I get bored and sleepy really quick with in depth engineering videos but Malcolm was super interesting the whole time! Dude that is a guy who loves what he does and does a fantastic job at it -- so many hats off to Malcolm and Steve at an awesome job of dumbing things down (in a good way) for the rest of us!
    Side note I want my wife to look at me the way Steve looked at Malcolm nerding out with his explanations -- you can see the genuine interest and giddiness Steve had on this subject and analysis -- everything about this video was phenomenal!

  • @volvagia6860
    @volvagia6860 2 роки тому +14

    I've never been a fan of Nvidia's C-Suite, but Nvidia's engineering team is obviously extremely talented! I was really impressed by the cooling design of the 30 series, and hearing about the refinements they have been making to design the 40 series is awesome! Excellent content and excellent engineering by the Nvidia thermal engineering team!

  • @EugeneNaidoo
    @EugeneNaidoo 2 роки тому +48

    This is why we love GN 🔥

    • @naor9792
      @naor9792 2 роки тому

      @Jonny Sins what?

  • @drgngd
    @drgngd 2 роки тому +16

    Thank you GN for always trying to teach us something new every day. Your channel is amazing because you actually cover not just what the hardware is and what it's specs are, but why and how they're designed. I'm glad you're able to get engineers and other highly qualified people on for these kinds of videos. I'm also glad that your brutally honest reviews don't get in the way of manufacturers being willing to provide this expertise. Keep up the amazing work not only Steve but all of those who work at GN.

  • @JustinSlayton
    @JustinSlayton 2 роки тому +30

    Gamernexus has really jumped from a good and informative UA-cam channel to major tech news outlet. Honestly since moving into the new building I have truly seen an amazing jump in quality which is definitely saying something considering I already felt they gave high quality videos.

  • @OzTechGuy
    @OzTechGuy 2 роки тому +2

    For a video about cooling.... my brain just melted :)

  • @whirledpeaz5758
    @whirledpeaz5758 2 роки тому +12

    The crossover between this and the aerospace industry must be fascinating.

    • @TennisGvy
      @TennisGvy 2 роки тому

      It's a lot more in depth than cooling typical for electronic boxes in the space or aero application. Aerospace has its own challenges for cooling though in things like turbine blades, hypersonic airframes, etc.

  • @jasonjavelin
    @jasonjavelin 2 роки тому +20

    Mad lads, such an awesome video. That engineer kicks ass and was awesome on camera. What a chill and super knowledgeable guy in his craft

  • @NewbGamingNetworks
    @NewbGamingNetworks 2 роки тому +10

    It’s amazing to finally hear the technical side of things. This is a “unique” generation where advertising like this works, so to some degree it makes sense why they did it.

  • @PerpetuallyTiredMusician
    @PerpetuallyTiredMusician 2 роки тому +10

    Behind every leather jacket and whitened smile on a stage there is hundreds of passionate people who actually make the darn thing. It does not make the asking price easier to swallow but hopefully it tempers and/or puts some of the more unreasonable reactions in perspective.
    This is great content, thank you.

  • @isanvicente1974
    @isanvicente1974 2 роки тому

    being my self an engineer in power electronics sector, i love this video, i love this channel... one of the main difficulty in power electronics is "tame heat..." in my case we develop and manufacture up to 500 kw systems so cooling is something critical ...in PC systems deal with this is also critical... many people does not realize for example that how heat flows inside the case is critical... is not only a question of take out heat of each device...yo can have fantastic cooling solutions but wrong placed inside the case...

  • @bizzehdee
    @bizzehdee 2 роки тому +95

    Malcolm from NVIDIA seems super young, and incredibly inteligent... Gonna have a long and well paid career in front of him

    • @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature
      @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature 2 роки тому +3

      I know a lot younger intelligent people would be hired if more companies looked at merit/ability rather than 'experience' and who you know.
      I would be excited to see what could be accomplished by giving them the right resources and guidance.
      ...Hmmm, maybe I can arrange something.

    • @JohnDoeWasntTaken
      @JohnDoeWasntTaken 4 місяці тому

      @@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature Yeah... I'm one of those younger people. Hard to get your foot in the door when getting your foot in the door requires experience... Experience that requires having gotten your foot in the door. Catch 22.

  • @captaindildar9581
    @captaindildar9581 2 роки тому +52

    I can't stand the way NVIDIA operates in the industry but damn do they make some cool tech. Hats off to the engineers!

    • @edgeldine3499
      @edgeldine3499 2 роки тому +8

      Engineers vs the Board of Directors

  • @bennie4857
    @bennie4857 2 роки тому +12

    As an Aerospace Engineer it was a very interesting video, thanks Steve and the Nvidia team for giving Malcolm the opportunity to present the inner working of the engineering aspects of your manufacturing and design processes. Especially found it interesting that he highlighted the work that has to go in to the simplests of things like flow characterisation before you can even begin to tackle other parts of what you are trying to build. Would be a dream to have access to the type of compute power he does to run CFD and FEA sims. Keep up the good work.

  • @yvesmillette1721
    @yvesmillette1721 2 роки тому +1

    This is the most interesting and best video about PC components I have ever had the pleasure of watching.

  • @MarioCRO
    @MarioCRO 2 роки тому +8

    GN bringing high value for the community. Great video and very interesting 30 mins spent watching it. Thank you GN!

  • @gcngba22
    @gcngba22 2 роки тому +17

    This video is super educative and fun. Kudos to the NVDIA engineer, the nexus production team and the donors that make this Content possible. 👏

  • @Deltarious
    @Deltarious 2 роки тому +28

    Watching videos like this always makes me wonder what NVIDIA's engineers and technical staff *really* think of their company's marketing and pricing strategies and how they feel generally about the reputation of their company. It would be wildly inappropriate to go around asking in most cases, but when you have people this intelligent contrasted against the almost predatory tactics companies sometimes use I can't help but wonder.

    • @ApolloPS2
      @ApolloPS2 2 роки тому +3

      I mean the real answer is that those "predatory" tactics help balloon their salaries so they can work amongst the best talent and develop high cost cards that still have healthy margins. This thermal engineering R&D costs serious money to obtain.

    • @ligametis
      @ligametis 2 роки тому

      Most likely he has no idea how much everything costs. People working in finance know that way better

  • @chrisfortune1813
    @chrisfortune1813 2 роки тому +11

    Love the engineering overload. Odd how physics is physics and many of the concepts overlap different specific disciplines. I was an oilfield researcher in my younger days and the "rarefied" concepts of porosity and permeability were voodoo science (I am talking early '80s here) and now they are discussed in tech heavy but almost mainstream media conversation. This is one of the most enjoyable videos I have watched recently an I hope it is the prelude to many more deeper dives.

  • @JDelta87
    @JDelta87 2 роки тому

    It's always good when an engineer is going over what went into making the actual product. He is naturally excited to explain the entire process and PR didn't seem to interfere at all. Great content and information everyone!

  • @infra1
    @infra1 2 роки тому +2

    Forget the company for a moment, look at the passion and smarts of this young kid. The world needs more inspiration of this sort! Great vid Steve et al.

  • @jeffhampton6972
    @jeffhampton6972 2 роки тому +43

    This is so much fun to watch. You two are the types that make people want to learn math because it's actually cool.

    • @Snarkbar
      @Snarkbar 2 роки тому +3

      Malcolm makes me want to go back and get a math PHD.

    • @Watchfulfox
      @Watchfulfox 2 роки тому

      Working at NASA did that for me.

  • @PHF28
    @PHF28 2 роки тому +11

    It's always awesome to see the amount of knowledge, engineering and manufacturing work dedicated to things that are going to be hidden. And cool to see that NVIDIA recognised the marketing potential of this. Great job, Steve.

  • @BrianPardee
    @BrianPardee 2 роки тому +9

    This was very neat. Thanks, Steve and crew for doing this video. It's these kind of technical videos which keep me engaged with GN compared to some other channels.

  • @djnorth2020
    @djnorth2020 2 роки тому +7

    Incredible content. Really cool to see and hear things inside the GPU cooling.

  • @davidmoffitt981
    @davidmoffitt981 2 роки тому

    Holy cow, the enthusiasm and absolute technical chops here was one of the best watches I've had on YT to date, more like this, wowwwww

  • @Wintergreen56
    @Wintergreen56 2 роки тому +4

    The fan calculations were great to hear about. These are some of my favorite types of videos from GN. It's great to hear all the information from someone who is so enthusiastic about it.

  • @BabyMayCry
    @BabyMayCry 2 роки тому +83

    I love Malcolm and his passion. Very knowledgeable and enthusiastic. I hope people who worked on the GPUs like him understand that the hate NVIDIA's getting isn't because of them, but because of the poor decisions their execs are making.

    • @bigshobe
      @bigshobe 2 роки тому

      They’re making tons of money so the execs are making the right decisions

    • @Cxs1a3
      @Cxs1a3 2 роки тому +2

      You're straight up deluded if you think these engineers don't want to be promoted to executive position and end up making the exact same decisions when they're given the position.

    • @LV-ii7bi
      @LV-ii7bi 2 роки тому +5

      @@Cxs1a3 Nah bro, not everyone wants to climb a ladder. Some people are actually self aware.

    • @insoYT
      @insoYT 2 роки тому +6

      @@Cxs1a3 No sir, you are the deluded one here. I've worked with different engineers for past 10 years in several industries from aviation to this stuff. These engineers are not interested to climb up the ladder to find out themselves in positions where they couldn't do actual engineering work. Engineers' love for engineering is pure.

  • @foxtrap614tango8
    @foxtrap614tango8 2 роки тому +14

    This is just awesome. I am an engineer and this is really enjoyable.

  • @catbertz
    @catbertz 2 роки тому +14

    water jets are bonkers. 😱 Edit: Finished watching video. Malcolm was an awesome guest and educator for a non-engineer like me. I learned a ton and really enjoyed what you put together here. You guys are REALLY upping your content game across the board this year.

  • @pmAdministrator
    @pmAdministrator 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you, NVIDIA, for this, and Gamers Nexus. This video is sick. Finally some real science.

  • @peachierose3356
    @peachierose3356 2 роки тому +27

    GN never disappoints🔥

  • @christophercasale7961
    @christophercasale7961 2 роки тому +5

    It's great to have a deep dive with someone who is both deeply knowledgeable and passionate. I learned a bunch of things about vapor chambers and fans today.

  • @Bloodline2009
    @Bloodline2009 2 роки тому +5

    Absolutely fascinating. The young man Malcolm clearly has a very bright future ahead of him. Thanks for sharing this highly detailed information, it's hugely interesting to watch and listen to.

    • @halrichard1969
      @halrichard1969 2 роки тому +2

      For an Engineer he has mad verbal skills.

    • @Bloodline2009
      @Bloodline2009 2 роки тому +4

      @@halrichard1969 I was thinking the same. Also, I noticed he was wearing his wrist watch on his right arm which probably means he's left handed. Left handed people are normally good with details.

  • @jeramzPC
    @jeramzPC 2 роки тому

    As an engineer, I really enjoyed watching this. I also enjoyed watching how Steve handled the conversation with Malcolm. You can tell that Steve is also very passionate with how he responds and asking the right questions. I hope you guys do more contents like this in the future!

  • @IanSinclair77
    @IanSinclair77 2 роки тому +5

    He was fantastic. Great presentation skills, enthusiastic and very professional. Well done.

  • @Christopher_S
    @Christopher_S 2 роки тому +5

    GN you've once again contributed so much to learning for the community. Truthfully, I'm surprised that nVIDIA allowed an engineer to visit and share this knowledge. I am very happy to have watched this though, it's very interesting and informative. Thanks!

  • @snowhawk4049
    @snowhawk4049 2 роки тому +9

    Thanks to Nvidia and GN for making this possible, great and unexpected content.

  • @HybridMarco
    @HybridMarco 2 роки тому +7

    Pure passion, taking such complex ideas and showcasing their thought process behind it was incredible. Making engineering cool is an understatement

  • @TommyT1550
    @TommyT1550 2 роки тому

    This guy really understands his stuff, very very intelligent young man. He understands the technology in such a high capacity, yet is able to convey his message in a way that your everyday person can understand what he is saying. Bravo on this video, awesome content. He needs to be a repeat guest, especially after the full launch.

  • @jonr6112
    @jonr6112 2 роки тому +1

    Why does this give me a heavy sense of a guest coming into class and showing us all the cool things they brought and talk about themselves and what they do. I’m filled with child-like wonder and nostalgia

  • @MadPhantom
    @MadPhantom 2 роки тому +7

    Before we get any reviews we got one cut in half

  • @XMegaJuni
    @XMegaJuni 2 роки тому +7

    This is why I love Gamer Nexus, they haven't gotten so big that they need to make videos of family members building PCs for goodwill after drama... They aren't just sponsored videos..

  • @Gersberms
    @Gersberms 2 роки тому +4

    This is pretty much the best content of its kind. As geeky as it gets, but still show & tell with plenty to look at.

  • @jhfgjtjutyiuod
    @jhfgjtjutyiuod 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent video and helps to show there is way more to designing the thermal solution than just pulling off the stock fans and zip tying noctua's on in their place like some other channels might have you believe.

  • @webx135
    @webx135 2 роки тому +1

    This is easily one of my favorite videos. I know some eyes glazed over at the math, but I would have been interested to see the formulas and charts, if that isn't private IP. I'm an engineer in the HVAC industry (albeit a software/controls engineer) so all of these details fascinate me. Especially the specifics.
    When you have this many variables, I'm surprised they didn't turn to AI, since this is a great optimization problem, and NVIDIA are experts in this field.
    One question I've always had, because my own testing seems to back this up: Wouldn't pulling be able to handle resistance better than pushing?
    He mentioned they were essentially treated the same. But I would think it would have more than just SP to consider. Turbulent vs laminar comes to mind. A pull is generally more laminar than a push, which is why wind tunnels pull air rather than pushing. Picture it like a "stretching" vs "squeezing" action.
    One of the advantages of pulling through a filter is that a filter essentially blocks air velocity and is motivated pretty much entirely by static pressure. So if you want to keep your velocity head, you would want to pull through a filter where only SP matters, and then run it through the fan to spike both the static pressure and the velocity. In a PC case, velocity helps keep air moving around passive components. That is, you can't push air into a filter and then expect it to cool your RAM 4 inches away.
    But I definitely found that pulling through a resistance seemed to provide a higher flow rate than pushing.
    I used to have my own rig setup to test this stuff. Mind you it was just a cardboard cutouts and a fog machine. I was designing a PC case and wanted to determine not just pulling vs pushing, but also optimal distance between the fan and the filter. With a bit of gap between the fan and the resistance source, flow seems to improve dramatically, as was used in the PCP&C Silencer power supplies. And it helps against stalling the blades, where the blades no longer push the air, but "spin it in place" essentially.
    Resources on this topic would be awesome, and I think this video was one of the best resources on this exact topic. But also, vapor chambers and heat pipes continue to blow me away. Again, I work in HVAC, so I'm used to having clear pumps and capillaries to force the fluid to be ready for a phase change. It's really cool that these happen passively through capillary action and vapor diffusion.

  • @TechZF
    @TechZF 2 роки тому +5

    This IS a educational video!!! Thanks Steve and Malcolm.

  • @schalkvanheerden6151
    @schalkvanheerden6151 2 роки тому +4

    What a fascinating video. Great work! You guys did such a good job tackling the very technical aspects and in such a way that the conversation flowed so naturally. Really cool video. It felt like it went by so quickly and it was awesome to see all the close-up shots. The little explanation text in the video was soooo helpful.

  • @Lambda.Function
    @Lambda.Function Рік тому +4

    Big props to nvidia for being open with their engineering for the public. One of the best decisions nvidia has ever made. I would love to hear from someone on the team why the cooler is so over-built for the 4090 and why the card ships so hot by default. It would still crush the market at 70% power target but use 100W less and need much less cooling, but have that room for overclocking.

    • @DoNotFitInACivic
      @DoNotFitInACivic Рік тому

      That, likely, was a C suite decision. As it seems that NVIDIA plans to drive the AIBs out of the market, and having that much OC benefits on the table for those "little" companies to show off would hinder that.

  • @ri3sch
    @ri3sch 2 роки тому

    Always nice seeing fellow engineers get some time to talk about their engineering process and sharing the knowledge

  • @tharun7290
    @tharun7290 2 роки тому +1

    We need more videos like this! I least expect Nvidia of all companies to send engineers to feature in YT videos, this is far more valuable and interesting to watch than marketing speak

  • @CynicalWilson
    @CynicalWilson Рік тому +4

    Yes! Please more of this type of content! ♥️

  • @flyingrichie
    @flyingrichie 2 роки тому +6

    Thanks Steve!

  • @okayfine6342
    @okayfine6342 2 роки тому +11

    I love the host! He did such a great job, I really hope we can get him out in some more videos. He's so happy to talk and drops a lot of insightful commentary!

    • @CaptainShonko
      @CaptainShonko 2 роки тому +3

      Yes. But that was the guest not the host 🙂

  • @ThunderKat
    @ThunderKat 2 роки тому

    I'm impress how that engineer is holding nothing back, pure honestly on every word, no filters...

  • @Sharkey007x
    @Sharkey007x 2 роки тому

    these are always fucking fascinating, thank you Steve and thank you Malcom for being able to come and do the interview!