Legion Healer Comparison
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- After frankly too much testing, Preacher gives his thoughts on the healers when set up side by side
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Holy Priest - 1:40
Resto Druid - 3:52
Holy Paladin - 5:54
Resto Shaman - 8:40
Outstanding:
Discipline Priest - 12:12
Mistweaver Monk - 14:00
That was some fucking intense real talk at the end. Thanks Preach, you gave me the kick in the pants I needed to try and improve myself so as to escape the LFG disaster.
please do. it's such a relief
I normally heal, but I was running the wife's paladin through a time walking dungeon today. The tank was chain pulling like mad, the healer was begging for a second to get mana back, and the other dps were dying regularly. It was a total shitshow, and it ended with the tank not picking up a patrolling mob, leaving it to me (stonecore big mobs aren't to be taken lightly), and then complaining and leaving when I died. It's shit like this that keeps me in guild groups for these things
I'm in a guild and I'll run with them frequently, but I take PuGs as a personal challenge. Right now running as a feral bearkin tree, I tend to get tank or heal roles. If I can keep up with the PuG, learn how all my oh shit buttons work, I'll be better for it later on.
On a side note, after years of doing this, I've learned to just let things be in PuGs. Hunter pet taunts? Let it tank...probably won't get heals. The hunter will res repeatedly or learn to turn off tuant. Tank I'm healing chain pulls faster than my mana allows? Tell the group I need a second to drink, sit and watch the tank pull and die. "Oh, what happened here?" *res* (I should mention my guild's MT tends to be able to be able to tank a couple packs without heals anyway...)
Best wishes Neko ^.^ I hope many others follow your lead and have a better time
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Ty :3 And good news, I talked to a few people and was invited to one of the more decent raiding guilds on my server :D Gonna start doing some heroic HFC with them come Tuesday with their alt runs so I can shake the rust off. So excited
Fucking hell. Everytime I watch a new video I get more conflicted about what am I gonna play. Was pretty sure about druid, now I kinda want to try out shaman (which I neglected throughout the whole existence of WoW).
Give it a shot. It's a blast. (rest/ele shaman here so a bit biased)
yeah me too! i'm kind of turned down that horde shaman feel ugly
+MrPalarme had to many orcs and trolls, so I made pandaren :)
test things yourself and make your own decision
i would do that but they just look out of place imo
i think viewers need to understand Preacher's choices a little better... If you want to be a good, solid healer in complex raid settings - you're going to want as FEW distractions as possible. High end raiders know that a split second distraction could mean a the difference between a wipe and a win. If you want to insure you're being the best you can be, you will flip Preacher's list in reverse. Druid/shaman/holy priest are pure healing with no dps distractions.
The other classes will be :
1. Loads of fun to play (they'll also make you more tired/give you carpel tunnel as you will never be able to rest)
2. Much more challenging
shaman has the elemental lavasurge procs from flame shock actually do decently well, and druids can flip into boomie. If youre not at least attempting to dps when theres no healing requirement youre not doing the best u can be, youre just being lazy. Even smite spam is something.
I was thinking something similar yesterday when looking at another one of his vids in which his rank was the almost the exact reverse of what I would have ranked. He likes complex classes, but that mixed with some boss mechanics can be really frustrating. If the boss enrages because your healers were too busy healing to worry about doing negligible damage, the the fault is with the dps classes.
Preach has an opinion that doesnt mean everyone finds mw monk the most fun to play, and that resto druid is boring. And i never found mw monk healing a challenge, and resto shaman is not a challenge either. New disc maybe is, but that spec is out of my list, simply because they are not a pure healing spec, and they wont be as viable for some content.
Also i didnt find disc fun to play.
So mythic players will choose the boring healing classes, and the others can have some fun...thats not how this works, sorry.
My list would be resto druid>mw monk>holy paladin>resto shaman>holy priest>disc priest. From fun perspective.
What are you talking about man?
Druid has no dps distractions? I think this is the most stressing class to play as healer. Being nagged about changing to boomy or feral to dps this and dps that in a manner of this and manner of that.
If you dont dps as a healer you should not be doing mythic raids at all. Blizzard is copying alot from Final Fantasy 14 but i guess healers having to dps i one of the good things.
I'm a Holy Priest main, it is the most fucking fun thing ever. Spirit of Redemption isn't even that useful but it's so fucking awesome. It's just fun to fuck around and no one can complain because you're keeping them alive and healing them. I find it quite healing quite natural for me and is a lot less stressful than playing any other role.
I really like all your reasoning, thanks for the vid! :)
My guild raids twice a week for 2 1/2 hours per day, and even though they're bad I have to say it's a lot more fun. Because you're playing with people you know in a comfortable atmosphere and you're all doing what you love, and everyone fucks around between bosses. We have a lot of baddies and are generally doing 10-14 man groups, but it's still a LOT more fun than pugging.
And I'm fine with that, I don't WANT to be hyper competitive, but normals/heroics are a lot more fun than LFR's by a lot.
Good. you should play for fun :D what realm are you playing on?
Malfurion (US), although I will keep our guild name anonymous. You know how people can be on the internet.
It's all about playing for fun. Anybody reading this going 'that sounds cool' who lives within Pugland, think about what you want to achieve within raiding or PvP. Do you want to clear everything and be super hardcore? You can find a guild for that. Do you want to challenge yourself but with like a 2/3 night a week raiding commitment? You can find a guild for that. Do you want to just have fun and enjoy the company? You can find a guild for that too. Preach is totally right. Even with a bad guild tank vs a bad LFG tank; it will be way more fun with the guildie; and if you notice something like 'dude, if you used Ignore Pain a bit more, it would make my life way easier' they're infinitely less likely to be an arsehat to you.
seems like fun shame on me that I have no time to commit to a guild ): pug land sucks
You are a great example of what social gaming is about. This logic should be universally applied to not just MMOs but any multiplayer/co-op genre.
lol my choice was made the moment I decided I was going to be a healer in legion: Druid. I only have one real reason for this though and it's kinda silly: I LOVE transforming into different animals, flying around cities, changing into a cat in the raids to be a bit faster, become a tree to increase healing, etc. It has NOTHING to do with the actual mechanics but it's just the feel of the class :p
Kinda boring to spectacular:
Holy Priest 1:40
Resto Druid 3:57
Holy Paladin 5:54
Resto Shaman 8:44
Discipline Priest 12:12
Mistweaver Monk 14:13
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Hey Preach, on average, between, recording, editing and writing.. how many hrs a week do you work?? Just very curious. Thanks.
Spam-healing noob tanks in LFR since 2012.
PUG Life.
You're so right about healing being a thankless job. Out of the last 5 raids I've done on my resto shaman, I think i've only been thanked for a res twice, and never for healing or dispelling or using my utility spells (and I guess there were a moment or two where I should have been). The best you get is a simple "gj guys" at the kill.
What keeps me going though is that I don't feel like I need to be thanked to feel accomplished as a healer. If it takes ages to down a boss, then you can go away from the fight knowing that it was really you who kept everyone up long enough to defeat it, no one has to tell you. So the longer a boss kill takes, the more I enjoy myself because I know that I had the harder challenge to overcome out of most (maybe not all - tanks? I've never tried one) of the raid, and I managed it. I take a sort of a silent pride in being the glue that keeps the rest of the raid together and fighting, and that pays off after every single boss.
I completely agree. But it goes both ways. While we as healers don't really get noticed for the good stuff we do, when I've been raiding, I can't remember a time where I have been blamed for the wipe as a healer. We stay in the shadows for the most part
It is true that we don't get noticed much both for good and bad reasons, and I like it that way. Wanting recognition doesn't really fit in with the mindset of being a support.
Then again sometimes I feel like switching to ele just to vent some anger on a huge punching bag (and I do periodically)
That's the best way I've seen someone put it Aerofoils. We're the support. Everybody knows that we are absolutely necessary for raids, but nobody says anything
Although I may not say it very often, but I love it when I find good healers. You guys are amazing, if you don't get noticed, or thanked, just know that I appreciate you.. he he... memes :3.
When the Monk was first announced, I was hating it for some reason. I didn't like it at all. Then I played it and fell in love with it, it became my favorite class in the game, followed up by Druid (Moonkin) and Warlock (Destro). Know that I'm playing the pre-patch it feels like falling in love all over again, to me they absolutely nailed Windwalker and Mistweaver (don't play Brewmaster)! There to me is no competition on which character will be my Legion main. I can't wait to get my hands on the Artifact Weapons, especially Sheilun.
I used to play a monk in WoD and have ot really tested it after changes because i simply hated them. After reading your coment, i'll give i try to the spec.
+SealedC39 I hated them too after maining monk, but after playing on it more its my main again :P
i will say that i dont like the new way brewmaster plays i mained the spec in WoD but after testing throu all classes and specs i have to say for legion i will stick with Mistweaver and Windwalker :) monk just feels great to play in my opinion. maybe ill return to tanking later on but for now healing and dps it is :)
it very similar to diszi, its not why i used to play and love it
After testing, I still hate mistweaver, but brewmaster is cool as fuck, it will definitely be my tank alt unless i really like vengeance.
Your commentary at the end is exactly why I tend to thank tanks and healers (assuming I'm not one) at the end of every run. My guild needs DPS at least to start, so I'm doing that with them, but testing on the beta with DPS, always thanks given just to make sure they know I appreciate it (and healing myself between pulls so they don't have to).
Not a fan of how they tried to integrate dps into healers now, if I wanted to DPS I would chose a spec to do so.
That's like saying tanks shouldn't be attacking the boss. If they wanted to DPS they should have chose DPS.
Anyone can attack an enemy brah
the thing is you don't have to do dps, so leave it. they added it because people wanted to level as healers in order to get the best stuff for their artifacts
It's really only mandatory for Disc, the rest just need it for leveling and solo content, that sort of thing.
I like it because it makes questing as a lot smoother and easier. If you don't want to dps, then don't :)!
its mainly so that healers do enough damage when questing
Man. After watching all the archetype comparison videos Preach has put out, I am SO HYPED to make a Shaman, a Monk and a Death Knight. Thank you for these videos, they're brilliant.
I think it's finally time for me to main priest. Never thought I would see the day.
Shadow/Disc master race.
Was an easy choice for me to make, I really like all 3 specs. Holy is pretty nice, so even if it ends up being better, I wouldn't complain. I kind of like the big nuke heal that resets when you use your normal heals.
+TheGreenNinja Fair enough. I just like the challenge Disc presents. Really hope it's good for raiding.
And shadow... Well it's just an amazing spec now.
Lol same feels dude. I saw Preach's video on Disc Priest after I finished playing late into the night getting my Death Knight leveled and I literally had to have it. On top of that it is looking like Shadow Priest have a great playstyle and are putting out crazy DPS. Add on top of that that both are great for PVP? I'm in.
because they have tools the discipline doesnt. spells like tranquility and healing tide totem. discipline priest can also dispel only magic and disease.
So the pre-patch testing is kind of a joke to be honest. I was actually REALLY surprised they even made the class changes this early when they are ALL tuned around the artifact weapon. They only gave you half a spec. I have topped the healing meter on every class/spec, including Disc, so yes it is "viable" but it was by far the hardest to top with and the only reason i was able to was because i knew the fight better than the other healers. Now put on a equal playing field with actual good competitive players disc will always be on the bottom. No matter what your "sim" is telling you. If I was to main a priest what I would do is go Holy priest for progression and then switch to Disc for dungeons and mid way through raiding by refunding the points after full artifact knowledge research (at that point you are gaining roughly 1mil points a play session). Only way you will be kept around as Disc in the beginning is if your other healers are just trash.
Since I haven't seen anyone else post this yet...
GOOD SPECS
01:42 - Holy Priest
03:54 - Restoration Druid
05:56 - Holy Paladin
GREAT SPECS
08:46 - Restoration Shaman
EXCEPTIONAL SPECS
12:14 - Discipline Priest
14:00 - Mistweaver Monk
Note: Preacher clarified that none of the healing specs for Legion were "bad" or "awful."
Keep in mind that Preach have the mindset of a competitive dps which is very different from the vast majority of people playing healers today, who (myself included) have the mindset of a support player.
The key difference between the two mindsets is the dps will always try to push themselves to do slightly better with a high risk of failure, while the support is more than happy with simple stability and low risk of failure.
This is why you should take his opinion on healers with a grain of salt. What he thinks is great fun mixing in dps with your healing, I see as childish nonsense and a pointless distraction from your main task. Neither opinion is wrong, they are simply different.
I REALLY appreciated the end of this video! I love to heal but it can be so stressful because I live in the pug world. I had no idea there was something different. Thanks for the enlightenment!
Thanks for saying what I've been saying for years about pugging /fistbump
I appreciate the message you did at the end. I love healing, but the pugs hurt. I've been trying to cap all the healers and I have a lot of stories about them. Like one time in Skyreach I had an Elixir of Rapid Mind I popped it on the first boss in the dungeon and suddenly my tank appeared to move slower, until after the third boss he just wouldn't move, we all got pass the wind (with the help of my feathers) except for the tank and he just sat there for 8 minutes. We thought he had to afk and I watched in pain as my xp potion slowly expired. Then when it finally did he finally said "That's what you get for wasting your gold on it" and finally moved through the wind. Now they are only about 5k on my server but it still pissed me off. I was at 98 when I left that dungeon, I just had to stop healing for a few after that. Hope you guys enjoyed this tale though.
Lol what a dick
Holy hell. I can say for certain that is not the standard experience in PUGs (usually just idiots \ slow), and I hope you have a better time in the future. :(
What would possess you to use a elixir in a dungeon though ? You can do 94 to 100 in 15 mins by leaving 1 mob up on each bonus quest from Gorgond and Talador, don't use your exp elixirs in dungeons, it's a MASSIVE waste of gold, I leveled 5 characters this way.
Relnor Doesn't really work well since I had Holy/Shadow as my specs at the time.
I hate the holy paladin changes. I loved it when your overheals became shields etc.
Hey Preach. Just wanted to know if you had plans to revisit Brewmaster since last I remember you talking about it was in the comparison video where you said changes being made at the time meant you couldn't objectively compare it, or if it's not really worth at this point. Thanks!
PUG healing is like the streets for healers. It's tough and it makes you tough.
You want to be a tough fucker? Heal 3's, lesson one is not dying in the first 20 seconds of a match. The rest of the lessons are even harder.
Hey Preach, great videos for Legion! Made it a lot easier to know whats going on with the different classes and specs.
Also, what add-on are you using to get the group column on the left of your portrait? would really help with healing for me XD
I thought disc was the only healer that heals by doing DPS, but all of them do now? That's insane!
they don't it's just that they now sometime can commit to do damage because the group doesn't take much damage
Disc is the only healer that HEALS with DPS. All of the healers can do DPS so people can quest and level as healers instead of DPS
No the other specs don't heal from DPS but several of them have synergies with DPS. For instance the paladin and monk can lower some healing cool downs by DPS'ing. There are also times when a healer doesn't need to cast a heal (their hots are enough or no one is taking damage). Those moments can be a time for healers to break out their DPS.
Only Disc heals by doing dmg. The rest of the healers do dmg to make the dungeon/raid go faster/so they have something to do when they're not healing.
It's mostly because of the artifacts and so they want to give you a kit to do solo content with (World quests, leveling, artifact leveling, Class hall, and general questing), but it's not that essential to your rotation (except for Disc maybe)
Seriously, getting together with my guild for a mythic dungeon can be the best thing done all week for me. Not only the banter between us (a few of us are fairly new to the game but are learning fast) but also the feeling of WANTING to perform better with your friends is also there.
I wouldn't say this only applies to Tanks and healers, I mainly play dps and comparing running dungeons in a PuG with randoms is a world apart from doing it with my friends. Not because it's efficient, or because the boss dies faster or stuff like that. The reason for me is that I gain an understanding of what is going on in the dungeon from everyone playing and time really starts to fly in there.
Get into a good guild though. It doesn't have to be a progressing mythic guild, just a guild that has potential for friends to be made while progressing in the game together.
To me, this is easily the most alien video you've ever made.
I mained Holy Pala in WoD and with these changes, I can't even stand to look at it any more. Say what you will about the "light well" playstyle, at least it was consistent in its theme. This new version has no identity or "class fantasy" whatsoever. Instead, it's a mess of 3 different playstyles that are un-developed and mix about as well as oil and water.
Oh hey, should I cast Word of Glory? Pff na, I'll just cast Holy Light or Flash of Light since they are the same fucking thing. Or maybe Light of Dawn? Same shit as Holy Radiance but with more range. Come on dude, Holy was a fucking joke in WoD.
+Relhio Chill.
Relhio And the Legion version is better... how?
You got a new spell, light of the martyr, that is completely worthless because the effective healing it does is pathetically low.
You got an entire talent row dedicated to auras, all of which are under-tuned to the point of meaninglessness.
You got the proximity gimmick, which gets completely kneecapped by Beacon of the Lightbringer.
You got an artifact weapon that doesn't contain a single decent major trait
You got a selection of legendaries where you're not so much targeting the one that is best, and more the one that is the least terrible.
You lost the vast majority of your utility. Double hands/blessings? Dead. Divine Protection? Butchered. Hand of Sacrifice? Neutered.
The uniqueness of being a holy knight with plate and sword'n board? Pruned, so we can be like almost every other healer with a 2H glued to our backs.
wod hpal was the worst
WoD holy paladin was awful. I play it cause pally is my first cap toon ever, and i love healin but jesus lol Right now in beta, they r a ton of fun. Different playstyles? what you have to go in melee to do some dps during downtimes now? All the healers now dps in mythic+ content lol undeveloped!? but your okay with the WoD Holy Paladin >.> I actually feel like a bad ass pally, especially in pvp. Easily the best paladin spec of the 3
I'm so glad the monk made your number 1. I've been maining brewmaster and mistweaver since they were added and brewmaster hasn't been getting raving reviews so I was banking on the mistweaver being great to keep me on the class for this expansion as well. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Brew during your revisted tank comparison video.
It's a shame that disc just doesn't work in high-level play. You won't see a single main-disc priest in world top 300 mythic guild; you might see it for one or two fights where it could be broken due to damage being buffed (Gorefiend as an example). It requires too much setup to be viable on progress, it costs too much mana to blanket the raid with atonement and even if you do, the HPS at best rivals a druid using tranquility, which they can now do on the move.
They needed to get away from the absorb playstyle as it was broken. Sadly, disc priests are now broken in a different way.
We don't know what the numbers will be like when its actually time to raid. It could end up being overpowered.
I've topped plenty of healing in heroic raids after the pre-patch as Discipline. And Disc is underpowered at the moment in the pre-patch compared to Legion so that should be telling you something. And this is while contributing ~20K+ dps. It's intended, in any case, that Disc doesn't output as much pure healing as a restoration druid or a holy priest (although they can still easy outplay them if the priest is good) but it makes up for it in DPS that isn't anything to sneeze at.
I didn't mention numbers, at all. The problem is the inherent design, not the current numbers. Every healer in the game can react to things happening (raid member fucking up and taking too much damage, surprise raid-wide damage due to someone failing a mechanic etc) whereas disc priests can only prepare for what they know is coming up, ie. DBM timers and the likes. It wouldn't be an issue if they could have a 100% uptime on atonement on everyone in a mana efficient way, but they can't (and would be overpowered if they could). The AoE application of atonement is somewhat random, and spamming plea will OOM you quickly. The only other option is Power Word: Shield which is on a cooldown.
Even if it put out twice the numbers of a resto shaman, it'd still be hard to find a spot for a disc in a raid as Shamans still bring extremely powerful cooldowns and better reactive healing.
Bawls McMegalong You must have forgotten about Shadow Mend, Rapture, etc. Trust me, Disc is not in a bad state in raid-wide healing lmao
Honestly, have you tested this in the Beta in raids? Disc is in a bad state for raid-wide healing. You can pop rapture all you want and spam bubbles to get atonement out which only will last 12-15 seconds each and then start dpsing but it just takes too long to do and is completely mana inefficient. The artifact weapon ability takes a couple seconds to do, the gcd per bubble is there, so you can really only put it on 5-6 people so you have time to dps. Radiance only applies to 3 people and roughly takes 3 seconds to do so and costs 72k mana. Disc is just not capable of true raid-wide-healing without making a lot of sacrifices. They can do party healing an key player healing just fine and thats what they will be responsible for but not raid-wide healing. If they made it so that radiance hit more people then it would be worth it, or if atonement lasted longer so you could spread it AND then dps that would be fine, but right now it is not designed that way and no skill will really change that. They are capping the disc priest because if it could do all that, then why bring some of the other healers? You could try and blanket the raid but you will run out of mana so fast in legion you would be making a monk look like he has infinite mana...thats a bad thing. Also, if you really are concerned about being top you could choose the shadow 100 talent but it just plain sucks. Great you are top healer on the meters but its such a selfish talent choice. Only way it would be good is if it caused atonement but it doesnt makng it garbage. And shadow mend?...not a raid ability either.
Without assuming too much, you've played basically all specs and classes and don't main healing. From my perspective, the things you seemed to like about healing reminded me of what I like in a dps spec. Complexity and choices being a large theme in that, and I think it's because it's something you don't normally do. So to make it AS interesting as you can for a short time, these are things that really accomplish that. However, I've found that in the long run, too much of these things without balance can be exhausting and make healing feel like strain and after 100+ wipes on the same boss, it becomes a chore. It also can make it so you have to use this complexity all the time(procs, weaving buffs, much more), just to be effective, and it doesn't always line up ideally with boss encounters. It can fall flat, be frustrating to work with, and end up actually taking AWAY choices. Where a better balance of some procs and weaving abilities for a big pay off and some more straight forward choices can make planning for exact situations with maximum healing output/mana efficiency actually feels like it has a higher skill cap and more worth to a healer.
TLDR; Seems like you like the mini-games of healing, fun if you're only occasionally healing. Functionally, I feel they can take away choices, feel exhausting long term and like a chore, and personally I look for different things about the actual healing part of healing. Still enjoyed watching your video and your interesting perspective!
Iggle Piggle looks so happy :D
It's because he finally figured out how to destroy the world
Discipline through the past three expansions hasn't been a healer, it's been a doctor. The adage "prevention beats a cure" was the perfect description for the spec and its motto, and that was a powerful and unique concept. Atonement was fun in mists, and let you take an entirely different approach to the same spec, while still pushing an incredibly high HPS, which isn't something other classes have ever had available for their healers. It's awesome to know what has been my main spec of the last five years had been the most varied and polarizing healing option throughout the lifespan of the game, but Legion is where I get off the bus. It's shadow and holy for me from now on (though I'll still level the disc talent tree, because I can't bear to burn that bridge, in case things change).
Anyone realize he deleted his latest video on Shadow Priests?
Yeah, I wonder why. It was a good video.
what was he talking about in the video, i saw it up but didnt get the chance to watch it in time
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Likely because it had a big bit of misinformation in it (he said it would take 1000 days to finish your artifact which is very clearly not going to be the case) and the video in general was kind of a mess of trying to talk about two entirely separate things at the same time and not being able to concentrate on either of them. It wasn't a very good video.
Ahh fair enough then :)
+Luna I disagree about the mess part. I liked the more laid back preach just switching specs and doing some content
Thank you for these videos, your effort shows in the quality you put out. Very helpful.
This is just about fun guide...Go watch Method guide if you want to see what is viable healer...
the method guy spews complete bullshit i.e: "monks lost their melee immunity", completely false, also it focuses on numbers, guess what? it's beta numbers change every week
pretty much everything on method guides is completely false. Method has fallen pretty hard lately as a place for viable information.
Wrong he wasn't completely false he said they have partial melee immunity, they still get targeted by SOME ranged spells is true. If things have changed drastically since then, then of course the information is going to be wrong but I have yet to hear that they reviewed the healer monk and decided to remove the partial bit.
+ZepeTV
Then again, Numbers have barely changed at all for 3? 4? weeks now.
And Preacher's list mostly looks at fun/niche/visuals/gameplay of the healers, not the viability of the output (which is completely fine if he states it) - However he did note the Holy priest having random procs, which is completely accurate critique.
Watching methods guide felt weird. it honestly felt like the guy only played a druid and didn't know much about the other classes and their abilities except from just seeing others play it and meters. nor does he talk about healing team synergy which is super important, neither does preach but at least he mentions it's a video about what's fun to play everyday for over a year. maybe the guy was forced to make a video...that would of made more sense because it didn't seem like he did the work to really play the other classes.
SOOOO glad I chose to run a restoration shaman. All your heals feel meaty, you have ridiculous amounts of utility, I love using things like healing rain and totems, and there are so many ways you can spec it, like you said. Do I want an Ancestral Guidance/Ascendance build? Or do I want to buff chain heal? Or do I want more stacks of tidal waves if I'm in a high mobility fight? I love it.
Uploaded 4 seconds ago,well,that was lucky
Yeah lol
"Hmmm wonder if preach has a new video" "oh wow its not even in the uploads playlist yet"
you videos have been a lot better recently, really enjoyed these legion role comparisons
Incredible that you ranked the healers nearly exactly backwards. People listen to this guy lol.
Well it's based on personal opinion so how can it possibly be wrong?
There's a lot wrong with what you just said, but I'll address the two biggest things. First, you're saying that personal opinions are somehow exempt from criticism, or factual grounding, which is silly on the face of it. I could have the personal opinion that the earth is flat; that doesn't mean my opinion isn't wrong just because it's an opinion.
Second, at no point does he preface this by even hinting that he's ranking the specs on some arbitrary personal level. He simply says and I quote: "...In these comparisons we split the categories into three: the terrible specs, the very, very good specs, but not spectacular, and then the spectacular specs...". Any reasonable person would conclude from his language, and the preface that he's done "a lot" of testing for the video, that he means to rank them in order of their efficacy.
Finally, my point is this: He's dead wrong on that ranking. a cursory glance at any website / discord / or spending 2 seconds to talk to any healer worth a damn would have corrected him.
His rankings are about enjoyment, gameplay and depth, not numbers. Numbers change all the fucking time, there's practically no point making a numbers ranking cause it might be obsolete within the week, at which point random dipshits show up and say "Incredible how your ranking is so wrong. People listen to this guy? lol"
His ranking is his opinion on playstyle and not on throughput numbers that won't even be the same when the raids actually come out.
Troy Moore Raid testing has been at specific item levels. The numbers will be VERY close to the same. That's what blizzard has been testing for months now.
yes preach! love how quickly you get into the content, no time wasting :)
Please tell me what unitframe-addon you're using. I LOVE the way your party looks and I want it too. Preach? Someone?
May be a noob question, but are you moving your party/raid frame with Moveanything? Love the way it's set up! Keep up the great vids!
Great video Preach, also thanks for addendum at the end
great video preach! i would love another tank comparison (i think you mentioned that in the video that you considered it) since it was very early and Brewmaster isn't included.
i used an excel sheet to narrow my main down. i'm stuck on blood, holy paladin, guardian/resto druid, resto shaman at the moment. it depends on what i end up feeling for in legion. do i want to tank, raid heal, tank heal or group heal basically. it's sad that i love healing with resto druid so much. been playing it since wotlk and i can't get bored of it. but i still kind of want to try something new aswell. the leap from resto druid to holy paladin was extremely huge for me since it focuses more on single target heals (in comparison) and it looks like the paladin doesn't have the "oh shit" button as resto shaman and resto druid have currently.
I've been a Priest since Vanilla and was trying to choose between Holy Priest and a Shaman for Legion so I've been waiting for your comparison video. That said you pretty much hit it on the head for me in choosing my Shaman. So good and so much utility!
I've played Disc for the last few expansions, ( not a shield or CoW spammer), and get the changes to the spec but it makes me want to puke. I have a level 100 boost so I may give the Mistweaver a try as I never really considered it before. As far as pugging, I gave up healing those quite a while ago for exactly the reasons stated. Thanks for all you do and keep up the great work!
might try MW monk, what's your suggestion for talents preach? I prefer melee more just as you
Hey Preach, great video. Didnt watch your vids till you started putting out the legion one but now Ive gone back and watched pretty much all of them. Loved all you class previews and comparisons. Keep it up.
Also just wondering if youre planning on doing an updated tank comparison one? Im pretty sure you said so during the dps comparison one. Really interested in rolling tank for legion but just want to know how you feel they stand after all the changes since your first tank comparison. Keep it up man, cheers.
I just have to say it..Preach, you have an extraordinary ability..the way you can speak so matter of fact..explain so vividly, while dipping in and out of exciting to calming.. you are the multi-specced/hybrid/subtlety/BURST knowledge/WIT capped/glyph of gab/trinket out of blab/detail proc/humorCleave RANK ONE keepinitReal keepinITclassy keepinFUN ... you the MAN, PREACH !!!
I always pre-like your videos because I know that I am always getting quality content. Thank you for what you do.
"That guy who presses riptide or rejuv and watches Netflix all the time" looool, your humor is a huge factor of me following you :D
It's been nearly two years since I've last played WoW--and NOT because the game sucked, because of work demands. I am a healer and very much enjoyed watching this, my first WoW video, to get me going on what I need to do. I'm very glad that you are still around, Priest! Thanks for all of your hard work!
Healing Question, I've healed off and on in WoW for years now in relaxed to high end raiding. I wanted to ask what is your opinion on heal macros. Should I macro all of my heals to cast on hover and cut out the individual clicks or should I just stick to clicking and then casting. Are there specific things I should use on hover or cast on focus? What are your thoughts on this?
That bit at the end regarding PUG vs guild runs was great.
Really appreciate the list, and especially the bit at the end. Good job and thanks a lot!
Hey Preach, been a fan of yours for a few years now but I had to respond to your final words.
I've been a healer since classic WoW. Used pugs, used LFR, and have been a top raider in a "hardcore" progression guild. Never been quite cutting edge, but I've seen just about everything this game has to offer. I left the guild-raiding scene in Cataclysm, and have been pugging my way through WoD.
It's not easy. It's not always rewarding. But I've still always found some enjoyment in it. There's something about sloshing through the mud that entertains me. Even if my groups were terrible players with terrible attitudes, I felt rewarded just by having the experience. A thankless job, to be sure, but I've never expected thanks from anyone for anything. So, when I go into a pug group and wipe against a boss, I don't leave angry and frustrated; if anything I walk away with more resolve to do better next time.
If my group is trashtalking myself or each other, I stand silent; amused but not discouraged. Some of the best moments in a pug group happens when everyone is at each others' throats constantly bickering and name calling; and yet, we persevere. So called "toxic" players come in and try to get under everyone's skin, but are, in truth, just another kind of obstacle you can learn how to navigate.
Muscling through the swamps, step by step, is my way of having fun. Failure is always an option, and safety is not guaranteed. I go into a pug expecting nothing; neither failure, success, nor friends. Not having a guild to turn to makes me feel more self-reliant, and I thoroughly enjoy that kind of game play.
I understand I'm probably in the minority, but I wanted to offer you some perspective.
Hey Preach, I am a mainly a dps and decided to try healing for the first time, but do you recommend all these specs as you said in your video for a person like me who didn't heal at all ? Or maybe some specs may be avoided for some reason ?
@Preacher, playing a healer is a thankless job. All we do is look at bars all day lol. Thanx for the recognition.
Very interesting vid b/c right now its about the output of HPS. So I guess healing will be different in Legion where we will be needing to dps as well as healing. I have mained a Holy Pally since mid of BC. And have adjusted to all the changes. HP will always be needed in a raid. They have the strongest direct heals and tanking healing. I feel that in Legion raiding a great healing comp will be: Pally, sham, druid, priest. I see double sham being meta b/c as Preacher said, the shamans kit is amazing. Just remember everyone its about your value as a player in your class as a whole. You have to be diverse and be able to be amazing healers and amazing dps. Just like DPS that have a tank spec... you should be able to DPS and Tank amazingly as well. B/c you never know what your raiding comp will call for due to strats or absent people.
Thanks for making this video so great, and I really enjoyed the bit at the end
Do you plan to revisit Brewmasters since they weren't in your tanking comparison and have gone through some changes since that vid?
I haven't even started the video but as this came up on my recommenced videos, I had a sigh of relief... thank fucking god. THANKS PREACH!
Ha, healing pugs has always, always been terribad. I remember that one of my criteria for my raid healers in Cata was that they had stopped QQing about healing pugs. At that point I knew they were ready for anything. I would add that a healer's boon is to find a tank friend to run with. Life becomes 100000x easier when you're with a tank who knows his class, uses his cds, and understands how to pull properly - you can usually get through just about anything then. Thanks for bringing the point forward, Preach.
Sir, your comment at the end really hit the spot. The LFG world can be really unforgiving, especially for the tanks and heals. You really learn the hard way through vulgarities and many deaths.
Been waiting on this one, thanks for all the hard work Preach!
Hey Preach, back in your legion tank comparison video you excluded the brewmasters due to there being changes in the works that you couldn't test. Could you release a followup video on brewmasters in legion?
Ive been leveling with shaman and spamming dungeons with resto. Even without the artifact and full talent tree it was much more fun to play than resto druid. Great video, Preach, and nice new setup! :D
Thnx Preach for your video. Aside from the comparison it gave me a idea of the new feeling it gives and all. To see what to boost and level.
Quality stuff mate! Love the new format aswell! Keep it up
+1 for Tank comparison vid. I like the PSA after the video as well. Healers are typically people I don't castrate A: Because I dont know shit about healing and B: Im thankful somebody even wants to do that stuff for fun.
Are you going to do a tank comparison next? I would really be interested in seeing your opinion about them.
Last time you did a comparison for the tanks was 3 months ago when the game was still in Alpha.
I main healers even with multiple of the same class so your hard work really helps me narrow down what I'll main in legion thanks preach!
I find it so interesting that of all the specs, you liked Mistweaving the best, considering that A.) The focus in Legion on Mythic+ dungeons and raiding, juxatposed with B.) The fact that Mistweavers used to have a spec/talent breakdown that encouraged exactly the kind of half heal/half DPS style that exists in Legion with Stance of the Spirited Crane and Eminence. Fistweaving was something I did on my Mistweaver and I REALLY enjoyed it, and it sucks that not only is it gone, but it's right before an expansion that seems to be absolutely MADE for it.
hello, preacher! i've been watching you for about 3 years or so, haven't really counted but i dont think i've ever commented on your stream or on your youtubes. used to watch your friday stories when going to bed and ended up watching every single one since you started them, and i just wanted to say thank you. for content and for some advice eventhough i haven't played wow since 2 years back. and congrats on your little preacher cub, i know its late but you know, whatever.
loved it how the MW melee rotation felt more satisfying than some of the actual melee specs. I mean building up the massive kick that hits multiple times, and following that up with a rising sun kick is so damn amazing.
You have given shamans a glowing report over the 3 comparison vids. That's super good to hear. Can't wait to get into the new enhance. Feels like shamans have waited a long time for this love.
You sir are a beast healer what addons are u using to have the party frames down there and how do you heal others without deselecting mobs?
I love how Preach ranks things by the fun he gets from them and not the numbers. Having been a Mage since TBC I can say numbers have always been important to me but the older I have gotten the more I have just wanted to game to be fun, it is a game after all. I have found the less I care about the numbers and the more I care about playing my spec well and having fun with it the more I have enjoyed the game. Good on you Preach for ignoring the numbers and finding fun in what is fun.
Preach just went full dad mode on everyone there at the end. Made my fucking day
Hey Preach. As a main resto druid i wanted to add one significant (for me) change and that is MASTERY. I hated how it worked in past expansions (basically i had to refresh buff everu 15ish second) and im really glad that they changed it. Im still not sure how good new mastery is (since i only saw what is currently live) but i like this aspect of focusing on certain characters by having more hots on them.
Video as usual is great. Keep up the good work!
Hey your so right, I've been unintentionally DPSing without thinking about it on the healer, before there was honestly no point, now I'm constantly competing with the 3rd dps and I can honestly say that I feel that my damage IS making a difference (more so in dungeons), This adds so much more value to my healer class, I love it!
Yo Preach! What's the addon to change party members hp bars? That looks super helpful! :D
I like the after talk Preach, keep doing them if possible. I've been there too many times when I used to main dps...I had enough, when WotLK hit I main'd DK tank and have been that in each dungeon/raid since. You want something done right you have to do it yourself.
Holy Pally does look fun, it was the most fun heals I'd played prior to Legion but looks even more intense, can't wait!
@Preach I'm trying to still decide what healer I should play I have narrowed the choice to Shaman or Monk, my question to you is about the heals throughput and hps, etc. I know its not all about the hps but I'm relatively new to healing (started healing in WoD) and I got kicked out of a lot of raids for low hps even though I was doing my job. it seemed in WoD everything was focused on gear/trinks/4-piece if you didn't have these you were a shit healer even if your doing great for your ilvl/gear. I love my shammy and my monk I'm just torn right now what to move forward with first like you said in another vid I want only one main.
As a 13/13Mythic Raider & Gladiator ranked Pvper with Mistweaver i've been bouncing back and forth between staying MW or switching to R sham moving forward - I've ended up deciding to main the Resto Shaman for legion. I liked the Shamans talents more - opportunity for the chain heal spam build, wellspring/cloudburst burst heal build and many many more I felt like I was given more choice (even if talents are more passive in nature) With my MW I found I was only liking ONE talent in every talent row and was forcing myself into one style of play.
Also I found Monks to be very mana heavy compared to every other healer I tested on the beta as well I found things like Lifecycles forcing you to play in a certain way. It was tilting me having to go "vivify, envelop, vivify, envelop, vivify, envelop" to conserve mana with my only alternative mana conservation being the talent that makes me kick the boss to save mana and that's not always an option now that monks can be triggered by ranged mechanics.
All in all I too liked every healer I tried - found paladins boring as all hell but could comfortably play any healer and be happy overall.
Great video - I subbed thanks for your testing time :)
I like the whole theme that Blizz tried to do with Holy Paladins this expansion because, like you said, Hpals as lightwells was quite dull. However, I feel like the DPS aspect of Hpals in the pre-patch is completely wasted. I feel like I'm just wasting GCD's with my DPS abilities. I could be spending this GCD pre-casting a heal on the tank, or waiting to immediately use a utility spell like a Blessing or maybe throw out a dispel. I would enjoy things much more if instead of just doing damage, Crusader Strike (at baseline, without talents) would heal someone for a precentage of damage done, or reduce a cooldown, or give me a healing buff. Maybe have consecration place a damage reduction on anyone standing in it. Maybe have judgement work like denounce (which I miss greatly), and prevent crits, or reduce enemy armor, or anything. If Im supposed to be a frontline healer protecting my allies and smiting my enemies, shouldn't I be more supportive than just tickling a raid boss when I have a free GCD?
then either you're doing it wrong, or your group is complete crap. You'll probably mostly be doing tank healing, since you're up there with them. But healers are never forced to do dps: that was the whole point of getting rid of holy power for Hpals. You only do dps when you want to. Don't pass judgement on it until the artifact hits though too: it could completely change your gameplay.
Or even use that GCD to cast my almost 3 second holy light. Worst change imo.
That last part sounded awefully close to a suicide help line.
"You don't have to do this alone. Join a guild. You don't know what you're missing. It doesn't have to be a thankless job."
Thanks Preacher , my most anticipated video from you for Legion. Druid / Shaman is the question , will play them a lot n see
Is that healing addon vuhdo? if so what is the blue glow at the right side of the panel for some classes?
I've finally figured out what I'm playing for legion, a Shaman. All 3 specs just look great and I've never actually seriously played a Shaman so it will be new and fresh.
2:49 "double (healing), seems pretty rubbish" Thank you. Healers rely more on constant up times and response. I want "let's cast some spells because damage is coming up", not "I hope I roll a 5 or 6 because damage is coming up". But then again, they are trying to reduce the amount of skills we have, so I guess that's why we have more procs in healing and added skills in talent trees. This can be debated, since I can see someone can enjoy getting extra heals if they either want to top the meters or see high numbers for frequently, but I certainly do not enjoy that. (That being said, I'm still picking moment of clarity on resto druid since the options are either more shields or extended healing. I may use Flourish on raids where people are ticking constant aoe ticking damage, but other than that, I don't see myself saving anyone from a minor shield or longer hots.)
around 12:00 why are u staying in the fire? what sort of example are you for the kiddies? :)) or is it part of the tactics / no damage from fire?!
Geez! Thanks Preacher! I used my level 100 boost for a Mistweaver Monk after your review and now it is my favorite healer hands down. Now I have four instead of three specs /classes I have to choose from. Before I leveled and played the Monk I was down to Resto Shaman > Holy Priest > Shadow Priest all of which I played / leveled in Beta.
As of today its Mistweaver > Shadow Priest > Resto Shaman > Holy Priest. I have played a Priest as my main since Vanilla so I am strongly feeling the need for a change. May be time to play for fun instead of Best Class / Spec per expansion as Preach suggest. The good thing is it seems all classes are viable at the moment future nerfs not withstanding.
hey preach how were you able to fit ur healing bars in between the chat box and ur own players icon? i just cant seem to fit them in there because there just isnt enough space
LOL THat sigh after you said 'I actually enjoys playing the holy paladin'. I died.
A rarely seen side of Preach there at the end... Love it! Legion hype!
I like watching Preachs clips, although I can't agree with him on any of his recent rankings (like Ret, love holy priest - mb I'm terrble).
Although I'm wondering about this high end raiding discussion - is anyone of the top guilds really getting influenced by this? Shouldn't they know already what's worth playing and what not?
Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you for that message at the end, Preach. In the PUG world, healers are the punching bags. If you aren't surrounded by the right people, it's a thankless job. Its an environment that discourages people from healing, and we need MORE of us, not less. My guild is struggling to field more and more healers because of the stress involved.
A message for everyone else. Thank your healers! :) We work hard to keep you alive so you can bring the big dick deeps, and if you see one of us do something great, bring attention to it. It really makes our days, and it goes a long way to keeping up morale. We enjoy keeping you all up and running, but a pat on the shoulder for a well timed Revival really does wonders.
This is kinda funny, last night I went through my choices for classes for Legion and ended up at mistweaver. It was just fun and loved how you could combo everything together. Also those raid cool downs.
I love that tacked on bit at the end where Preach learns how it feels to babysit a bunch of children in a dungeon as a healer... This is why I only enter dungeons with 3 guild mates coming along.