These are really amazing locomotives. I do love steam locomotives with the power wheels and drive rods moving side to side horizontally but I actually love these pear powered types too. I love the shay and climax.
I’ve rode on a shay twice up and down a mountain on a switchback track system in Cass West Virginia. Great ride to the top where they would log and bring them back down. They would stay gone for a month at a time. When they arrived back in town they got paid and spent their money in one of the largest general stores there owned by the company that owned the train and logging property. Amazing to to see and ride
Just something to add to this, there is a 4th major type of geared locomotive, but this was limited to parts of the former British empire such as India. the Sentinel, built by the namesake builder that would in time be acquired by Rolls Royce (yes, THAT Rolls Royce) who would go on to use the Sentinel label as their locomotive building subdivision. the Sentinel system consisted of a compact but highly efficient vertical boiler, also utilised in Sentinel's road trucks, often running at upwards of 300psi supplying two cylinders which would intern drive the wheels via chains. Due to everything being located within the cab itself, and the locomotives being almost exclusively two axle designs (though there was a three axle broad gauge monster built for India), they look a lot like an early diesel critter, and really they were only used for very light work, shuffling a few wagons (cars) around in some privately owned industrial complex such as a brewery. There were even a few steam powered railcars that used the same system. a surprising number of the locomotives have been preserved, and a few are even in operating condition, however they are sadly not as popular with British enthusiasts as the American three are in the states, so they tend to fly under the radar.
Sometime one about 844s history would be interesting, being that it has never left Union Pacific's roster. (Union Pacific bought it in the Mid-1940s and they never retired it and is still in their roster.)
If you can you should go to plaster city and rail fan the last industrial narrow gauge railroad in the US! Plaster city is home to a 3 foot narrow gauge line that transports rock from a quarry to a plant in plaster city and has about 20 miles of track and it still runs to this very day!
Great vid, geared locomotives are really unique. I had the pleasure of seeing a Shay upclose at the Mid-Continent Railroad Museum in North Freedom, Wisconsin.
So glad i found this video on Geared loco, i needed someone to explain the pros and cons and stats of each type. Thanks, I love geared locos, its cool how they look, more moving parts equals "Hell Yeah!"
Great video. I like the Heisler, Climax, and Shay steam locomotives. But I like the Shay steam locomotives a little more. Have seen all kinds before. They are all another beautiful kinds of steam locomotives.
I found out about this locomotive design last year and I find it absolutely fascinating. By far my favorite design of steam locomotive. It just looks cooler and more interesting. Thanks for the nice and informative video.
You're welcome! I think it may have to do with both the size of the lumber industry in North America and the very mountainous terrain where most of the lumber is located. Thanks for the comment!
Here’s a Little fact. Their was once a Shay locomotive race and the fastest Shay only went 18mph ( 28.9682 kmh for Metric users ). That shows you how slow they go. However, I can imagine a Shay locomotive going as fast as it can go in an emergency.
Steel iron copper coal lumber. Quarry foundry are some listed jobs this. Locomotives worked at both standerd & narrow gauge built to suit the railroad and company depends on where you are at in America or other. Parts of the world
Yes, they made many different variants for various railroads. Some railroads even ordered left-handed shays with the cylinders on the other side of the boiler.
Great video! Although i have one question. Would cog railways be in the wheel arrangement category, or the geared category? I really dont know anything about them. Thanks!
Usually in the wheel arrangement category. The gears or cog wheels are mounted such that they are in the center of the loco and track and engage the toothed rail called a rack or rack rail. The Abt system uses two or three cogs and rack rails for power transmission. The cog teeth are staggered for more even power transmission. The Manitou and Pikes Peak Cog RR uses the Abt system and always is engaged with the rack rails. Most other Abt system railroads only use the rack rails on the steeper sections so use normal adhesion elsewhere and can travel faster when off the rack. There is the Riggenbach system which is similar to the Mount Washington Cog RR in New Hampshire, USA(the first mountain climbing rack railroad), and the Fell system. The very first locomotives were equipped with toothed gears to engage a toothed rail because it was believed that a smooth wheel on a smooth rail could not provide enough friction to move a train. Trevithick's Pennydarren engine proved that smooth wheels on smooth rails were sufficient.
Thanks! I think Roy beat me to an answer. I will be doing a separate video on cog railways at some point and I will be including a discussion on cog steam locomotives in that.
@@CoasterFan2105 I do mostly video the Shay locomotives in operation. Maybe sometime in the future I would do same thing for the Heisler and Climax. I have video the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg, Pennsylvania last month ago and video most of the equipment, along with a Shay, Heisler, and a Climax. It was also my first time to video a Heisler and Climax.
SONICX1027 your right its Climax NO 6 it runs on the White Mountain Central Railroad an hour and half from me its wood fired and runs on a 3.5 mile out and back 4 to 5 times a day during the summer
Wish I could find a Shay for my n-scale layout. They only seem to be available in HO. I have several times ridden the Roaring Camp and Big Trees tourist excursion railroad that runs in the Santa Cruz Mountains out of Felton, CA. It features the "Dixiana Shay," which, I understand, was brought to service there after being retired from use on a Hawaiian sugar plantaion.
You're welcome, thanks for watching! Do you know if there's any work being done on the Shay at Puffing Billy? I haven't been able to find anything. 1694 sure looks great!
The Gear Reduction helps the wheels turn better but costs the locomotive a lower top speed. This is hypothetical, but Imagine a logging railroad at the base of a Volcano and the volcano is about to erupt and the only way to escape is by rail. How will the locomotive go fast enough to save the loggers? What if their is a sudden last minute emergency evacuation and the locomotive needs to go fast to save the loggers? How will the locomotive speed up in an emergency situations?
i know where both a two truck and three truck shay are, there's the two truck shay in Lima OH, and a three truck in Harold, OH I live in Wapakoneta, OH and there both within 40-45 minutes of me depending on traffic.
We can get the girls to see what we are looking like in our backyard or we could meet them in there or whatever you guys can come in for the day before the
These are really amazing locomotives. I do love steam locomotives with the power wheels and drive rods moving side to side horizontally but I actually love these pear powered types too. I love the shay and climax.
I like the Heisler, Climax, and Shay steam locomotives. Pretty amazing like many other steam locomotives.
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Love these Train Talk videos!
Thanks, Bryan!
I’ve rode on a shay twice up and down a mountain on a switchback track system in Cass West Virginia. Great ride to the top where they would log and bring them back down. They would stay gone for a month at a time. When they arrived back in town they got paid and spent their money in one of the largest general stores there owned by the company that owned the train and logging property. Amazing to to see and ride
Just something to add to this, there is a 4th major type of geared locomotive, but this was limited to parts of the former British empire such as India. the Sentinel, built by the namesake builder that would in time be acquired by Rolls Royce (yes, THAT Rolls Royce) who would go on to use the Sentinel label as their locomotive building subdivision.
the Sentinel system consisted of a compact but highly efficient vertical boiler, also utilised in Sentinel's road trucks, often running at upwards of 300psi supplying two cylinders which would intern drive the wheels via chains.
Due to everything being located within the cab itself, and the locomotives being almost exclusively two axle designs (though there was a three axle broad gauge monster built for India), they look a lot like an early diesel critter, and really they were only used for very light work, shuffling a few wagons (cars) around in some privately owned industrial complex such as a brewery. There were even a few steam powered railcars that used the same system.
a surprising number of the locomotives have been preserved, and a few are even in operating condition, however they are sadly not as popular with British enthusiasts as the American three are in the states, so they tend to fly under the radar.
Sometime one about 844s history would be interesting, being that it has never left Union Pacific's roster. (Union Pacific bought it in the Mid-1940s and they never retired it and is still in their roster.)
If you can you should go to plaster city and rail fan the last industrial narrow gauge railroad in the US! Plaster city is home to a 3 foot narrow gauge line that transports rock from a quarry to a plant in plaster city and has about 20 miles of track and it still runs to this very day!
It’s nice that Cass scenic railroad restored a climax locomotive
Which is Cass Scenic Railroad Climax #9.
I'd never learned that much about these engines, also thanks for talking about the history of these amazing locomotives.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!
shays, climaxes, and heislers were also used on sugarcane and logging railways in australia and new zealand
Oh so Ferdinand from Misty Island Rescue was a "Climax" type locomotive! I learned something new!
I didn't know the Logging Locos were American steam locomotives
Oh, my, too many memories. I rode the cab of WSLC in Tuolumne one Christmas Eve. And fired #10 on the Yosemite Sugar Pine. Great lookies,
Both fantastic railroads. It's a shame the West Side and Cherry Valley was shut down.
Great vid, geared locomotives are really unique. I had the pleasure of seeing a Shay upclose at the Mid-Continent Railroad Museum in North Freedom, Wisconsin.
You mean Goodman Lumber Co. Shay #9. The locomotive that is on display there.
@@nathancorcoran5347 I believe so.
@@Straswa Yeah. It’s another surviving one.
So glad i found this video on Geared loco, i needed someone to explain the pros and cons and stats of each type. Thanks, I love geared locos, its cool how they look, more moving parts equals "Hell Yeah!"
Nice video friend!
Thank you!
Request: Steam Locomotive Revival into regular service. Thanks.
Gian Carlo Cordero Or another steam engines series!
That sounds like an interesting idea!
Great video. I like the Heisler, Climax, and Shay steam locomotives. But I like the Shay steam locomotives a little more. Have seen all kinds before. They are all another beautiful kinds of steam locomotives.
Well, that's most of them!
Very nice video on Geared Steam Power, great narration too
The steam are gear locomotive can be?
Pretty amazing that they were able to create complex systems like these in the 1800s!
actully late 1800s most didn't show up until the 1880s and 1890s right around the time when articulated locomotives started to show up
Awesome video!
Thank you!
This is one of my favorite trains. Thanks for sharing the information about the geared locomotives. ❣️
Great video. It was so well done and I learned a lot! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Good! I'm glad it succeeded in its purpose! Thanks for the comment!
If you're Thomas and Friends fans, do you remember Ferdinand a member of the Logging Locos? In apperance, he does look like a geared locomotive.
Climax no:1694 is in operation at the puffing billy tourist railway in Victoria Australia
very nice Video....
Very nice
Trains are so excited 👍
Great video! I learned a lot considering I didn't know much about Geared Steam Locomotives!
Thank you! Glad I could help!
Can't wait for more of these videos!
Read a lot about these locomotives. But as we say-it is better to see once. Thank you for a great and informative video!
Thank you, Mikhail!
I found out about this locomotive design last year and I find it absolutely fascinating. By far my favorite design of steam locomotive. It just looks cooler and more interesting. Thanks for the nice and informative video.
Sumoter Valley Railroad Heisler is the only surviving Wood Burning 2 Truck Heisler in exsistance
Yes, and it is a very neat locomotive!
And has antlers!
Thanks Mike! Great video very interresting for us. We never had theses locomotives in Europe.
You're welcome! I think it may have to do with both the size of the lumber industry in North America and the very mountainous terrain where most of the lumber is located. Thanks for the comment!
Request: the differences between steam locomotive fuels. The pros and cons of each.
Great video Mike. Always had a curiosity about these geared locos - thanks for filling in some gaps :). The more you know....
Here’s a Little fact. Their was once a Shay locomotive race and the fastest Shay only went 18mph ( 28.9682 kmh for Metric users ). That shows you how slow they go. However, I can imagine a Shay locomotive going as fast as it can go in an emergency.
Great video
Thanks, Larry!
The Shays are so rad!
I needed this one gonna rewatch now
Great video! How about a Train Talk on the West Side Lumber Company?
Thanks, Jacob! That's always a possibility!
Thank you for this video. I have seen rhe Yosemite mountain shay in 1996. Greetings from Austria.
I have a suggestion. Since you made a Train talk episode on horns, do you think you could make an episode on bells?
Yes, an episode on bells is definitely part of the long term plan.
nice video of steam trains
Thank you!
i rode climax no 6 in NH
Steel iron copper coal lumber. Quarry foundry are some listed jobs this. Locomotives worked at both standerd & narrow gauge built to suit the railroad and company depends on where you are at in America or other. Parts of the world
Yes, they made many different variants for various railroads. Some railroads even ordered left-handed shays with the cylinders on the other side of the boiler.
nice video bro
Thank you!
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+CoasterFan2105, You are the Most Intelligent UA-camr in the whole entire total UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!! :-D
Thanks Kev!
An idea for an episode is about named rail routes, like the Southern Transcon, Sunset Route, NS Pittsburgh Division, etc.
That may be a topic in the not too distant future!
I love ❤️ you coasterfan your videos are great 👍 keep up the good work
Rode with Climax #6 today at Clark's Trading Post, NH.
There are other minor geared locomotives including the Bell Locomotive works I hope someone on UA-cam can cover those someday.
Hey look it's me!
You have forgotten to mention that Mr. Shay started with a flatbed wagon and went on to become the Shay we know today
It's my favorite too!
Great video! Although i have one question. Would cog railways be in the wheel arrangement category, or the geared category? I really dont know anything about them. Thanks!
Usually in the wheel arrangement category. The gears or cog wheels are mounted such that they are in the center of the loco and track and engage the toothed rail called a rack or rack rail.
The Abt system uses two or three cogs and rack rails for power transmission. The cog teeth are staggered for more even power transmission. The Manitou and Pikes Peak Cog RR uses the Abt system and always is engaged with the rack rails. Most other Abt system railroads only use the rack rails on the steeper sections so use normal adhesion elsewhere and can travel faster when off the rack.
There is the Riggenbach system which is similar to the Mount Washington Cog RR in New Hampshire, USA(the first mountain climbing rack railroad), and the Fell system.
The very first locomotives were equipped with toothed gears to engage a toothed rail because it was believed that a smooth wheel on a smooth rail could not provide enough friction to move a train. Trevithick's Pennydarren engine proved that smooth wheels on smooth rails were sufficient.
Awesome! Thanks for the info!
Thanks! I think Roy beat me to an answer. I will be doing a separate video on cog railways at some point and I will be including a discussion on cog steam locomotives in that.
That'd be great!
@@CoasterFan2105 I do mostly video the Shay locomotives in operation. Maybe sometime in the future I would do same thing for the Heisler and Climax. I have video the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg, Pennsylvania last month ago and video most of the equipment, along with a Shay, Heisler, and a Climax. It was also my first time to video a Heisler and Climax.
Awesome Video Mike
Do one about rack railroads/Mountain railroads. anyway, good video
There's a Climax at the White Mountain Central Railroad.
Yup! That's one of the lesser known Climax locomotives that's still running.
Can the next be early subways and subways now? Don’t forget to add lots of MBTA and MTA!
Hopefully, I'll get to do that one eventually!
Nice video!
We have Climax 1694 operating on the Puffing Billy Railway in Melbourne Australia
I believe there’s a Climax Locomotive in New Hampshire. I don’t know if it still runs or undergoing a overhaul
SONICX1027 your right its Climax NO 6 it runs on the White Mountain Central Railroad an hour and half from me its wood fired and runs on a 3.5 mile out and back 4 to 5 times a day during the summer
As far as I know, it is not currently undergoing overhaul.
CoasterFan2105 to add something on, that Climax in New Hampshire is a wood burner. I remember riding that train years ago. Ah memories
I’ve seen it before
@@CoasterFan2105 why was the climax a model
awesome video! When did ATSF 3751 start using oil?
I think the conversion was in 1941. My favorite is probably the Shay, but I really like all 3. The Climax is a close second.
Thanks for nice video!
Thumbs up :-)
Awesome video. Very interesting and have you ever been to the Cass Scenic Railroad or The Durbin And Greenbrier Valley Scenic Railroad before?
The model of the Climax locomotive is very cute
Yeah
Glad you liked it!
Wish I could find a Shay for my n-scale layout. They only seem to be available in HO.
I have several times ridden the Roaring Camp and Big Trees tourist excursion railroad that runs in the Santa Cruz Mountains out of Felton, CA. It features the "Dixiana Shay," which, I understand, was brought to service there after being retired from use on a Hawaiian sugar plantaion.
I love these videos i'm new here
very informative, thank you
Thanks Mike
You're welcome, thanks for watching! Do you know if there's any work being done on the Shay at Puffing Billy? I haven't been able to find anything. 1694 sure looks great!
14 is currently in the Menzies Creek museum, you should come down under and I could show you around
I saw train #9 from mt pleasant in Iowa on your video!
I've been to Yosemite Valley railroad before
SwordKirbyFilms same
The climax was chosen to base ferdinand's (one of the logging locos) basis from thomas
If these engines could work grades of 10%, I'm slightly confused on why none ever worked on Indiana's Madison incline (5.89%)
I am not sure about that either. I think the record for a Shay climbing a grade is something like 15%.
Nice!
Thanks!
I love so mutch the shay engine
I know 1 climax loco that's in New Hampshire
If you needed footage of a climax check the puffing Billy railway they have a operation climax
a video about geared steam and no mention of the Heisler's predecessor, the Dunkirk
Have you visited Cass Scenic Railroad?
I have not, but I really want to as soon as I get a chance.
The Gear Reduction helps the wheels turn better but costs the locomotive a lower top speed.
This is hypothetical, but Imagine a logging railroad at the base of a Volcano and the volcano is about to erupt and the only way to escape is by rail. How will the locomotive go fast enough to save the loggers? What if their is a sudden last minute emergency evacuation and the locomotive needs to go fast to save the loggers? How will the locomotive speed up in an emergency situations?
It should also be mentioned the reduction gearing increased the torque to!
I like the climax and shay and Heisler
You haven't been to Cass yet?!
Sadly, no. It is very high up on my list.
You should! It's very interesting. I think they recently closed down shop tours though
my favorite is the climax
i know where both a two truck and three truck shay are, there's the two truck shay in Lima OH, and a three truck in Harold, OH I live in Wapakoneta, OH and there both within 40-45 minutes of me depending on traffic.
Coasterfan, can you make a video about Pete Marquette 1225, it's in Owasso, michigan
Hopefully in the next year or so!
Pere Marquette is my first favorite steam locomotive, it's also the real polar express.
They might be slow, but they be stronk
Heisler is a basic engine for space in the middle and 8 driving wheels
I wonder if any of the examples converted to internal combustion power are still operational?
Can you do one of these in a similar vain but with camel back engines
There 4 types, your forgot the willamette locomotive, besides that nice video
willametes are literlly shays
i super duper like steam train
"That's right!"
We can get the girls to see what we are looking like in our backyard or we could meet them in there or whatever you guys can come in for the day before the
Do you know if the Shays had simple or compound engines?
I was able to ride in the cab and was offers to blow the whistle
Why does the West Side Shay have two whistles on it?
There is a world forestry center shay steam locomotive on display in Portland Oregon Washington park Oregon zoo.
And I have seen it many times
First
The Subaru of steam engines