It would have probably happened the other way, the Phyrexians becoming distorted by Emrakul. If Ashioc played with the mind of Elesh Norn, you can imagine how easy it would be for Emrakul
Totally agree, we are talking about a sortoff "disease", the glistening oil, having brought a lot under its control by constantly growing and having Phyrexians work with technology to spread it even more, vs a being just coming to a plane and corrupting it head on
I've always thought that way too. Norn would try to corrupt Enrakul in the moon of Innistrad, and suddenly Enrakul would start altering the phyrexians sent there and thus depart to new phyreria to consume that dying world.
@@AetherHub emrakul getting addicted to phyrexian mana and eating the whole plane like a spicy takeout dish only to then BECOME the phyrexian plane is my personal take on how she would be compleated
Here's a theory: since the eldrazi titans as we know them are really just avatars, maybe the glistening oil would only corrupt the manifestation of emrakul, and emrakul, like the hand in the pond, would be able to form another avatar, not corrupted by the oil... maybe emrakul vs. emrakul?
@@AetherHubBasically. But it would be a while. After the physical Avatar of Emrakul is taken, that means the true GIANT form of Emrakul in the Blind Eternities would have to go to another Plane and syphon mana enough to gain another one. Then again, CAN Emrakul gain another Avatar if her main one is taken from her? Maybe, but not for a very long, long time most likely, for it takes a lot for them just to make one by chance.
@@Viktor47917 Surely it doesn't take that much effort for Emrakul to create an avatar on the plane of existence that she is visiting? I have always regarded the Eldrazi, or any creature from the Blind Eternities, as being 4th, or higher dimensional, entities and the amount of effort they put into creating their avatars on a PoE as being comparable to us, or 3rd dimensional beings, putting effort into drawing oneself on a piece of paper. For context, think about an artist drawing a self insert of themself into a comic book. No matter how powerful the characters are in the comic book, even if they defeat the self insert, regardless of their plan, they could never truly beat the artist because the artist will always be able to see what the characters are saying, thinking, or planning by reading the chat bubbles. With that context, putting Emrakul in the place of the artist, and the comic characters being the Gatewatch or any character in MTG, it is really frightening just how much power Emrakul actually has at her disposal.
I feel like this what if relies on the interpretation of the Eldrazi as a corrupting force. I know that's how they were portrayed in the latest storyline, but at the end of the day Em's corruption of Innistrad's creatures was a means to an end. Eldrazi consume mana. Their spawn are extensions that assist in that consumption. Though it was developed through artifice, compleation is a magical process. It may be colorless, but the Eldrazi mastered colorless mana well before Phyrexia - originally they were black aligned. Im skeptical that any magical process could effect Emrakul without her consent, she could easily consume the mana and negate the process. If they had her consent, well, yikes.
Maybe it's like drugs and emrakul's avatar would want more... Or maybe she could control insanity and never be controlled by need or want... Or maybe the glistening oil could analyse all of the avatars processes and reproduce it... Or maybe each part of emrakul have it's own mind and could be partially corrupted... Or maybe emrakul could see outside space time and is waiting for phyrexia to find her so she could corrupt phyrexia overmind and keep on consuming mana faster... Or phyrexia would absorb emrakul and control matter, mand and spark consuming not only mana like the eldrazi but everything... Or maybe we are all fucked......
The moment Emrakul's mind gets included in "The One" it would go something like "How can all be one... when All Is Dust?" *-Proceeds to rot every mind to the eldrazi madness-*
Jace never had a conversation with Emrakul. He had a conversation with an entity that his mind conjured in order to make sense of what he was encountering. In all likelihood, she never even noticed him
That's a pile of yesn't. Sure only a fraction of Emrakul was contained in that interaction, but it was a real interaction, not merely a creation in his own head with literally no bearing on Emrakul.
Compleation is very much not a colourless process. Each of the completed creatures from MoM gained a secondary colour based on who compleated them. Very much inline with what happened on New Pheyrexia. I reckon Emrakul is much more likely to corrupt the Praetors, and/or go to war with them. Edit: mistyped Praetors, nty autocorrect.
Emrakul would instantly shatter not only Elish Norns mind, but also the hive mind that is Phyrexia, and replace it all with herself. Maybe not even on purpose, but just by the very existence of what she is. Ironically, she would truly embody Norns goal. All would be one, all would be Emrakul.
I feel like it would be the other way around. Emrakul and the others would take over the phyrexians. Future story arc maybe? When they want to "play" again
I was almost thinking the same thing, but that Phyresis and the madness of Emrakul wouldn't be able to both work on one being at the same time. That said, I do think some of the beings in New Phyrexia not made from people or creatures, ones who still have minds of their own, like the Praetors, would be affected by the madness.
I think Emrakul would be corrupted, but her presence would change phyrexia, like how different Norn's phyrexia is from Yawgmoth's. Emrakul would be the new Mother of Machines and they would truly be one.
@@AetherHubAshiok was able to mess with Elesh Norns mind, why would Emrakul who is significantly better at it not be able to corrupt Her and for that matter every single other Praetor and Phyrexianized character who kept partial consciousness? Also what’s to say then being a hive mind doesn’t make it even easier for her to corrupt them all in one fail swoop? We need a lot more info on Em for this one, like what planes has she consumed and threats she’s dealt with. Like the slivers are no different in terms of hive mind, in fact even more true to it most likely and if Em has ever dealt with them she should easily be able to corrupt the Phyrexians.
@AetherHub that's because they're Zombies. I believe it's because Em corrupts living things with brains and a soul. Zombies have no usable brain, lack a soul and are dead. Sure they're "alive", but not in the typical sense. Zombies for the win... and life hack.
I am pretty sure if single Slivers would be compleated, they would be instantly cut from the hive mind and be no real slivers anymore. I think the whole SLiver hive mind is much too strong to be completely taken over by the Phyrexians
I feel like if some slivers became completed the Sliver Queen and other upper echelon would cut them from their hive mind and could eventually have a sliver civil war until both sides were destroyed. But I could see the slivers giving all slivers or phyrexians their shared abilities which would be scary as fuck.
Ok, hold on. Emrakul doesn't have a physical form. Ugin literally stated that when an eldrazi invades a plane, only part of it actually shows up. The eldrazi are so vast and alien that even if you compleated their avatar, you are only compleating a fraction of their being. A fraction that would probably just either not be affected by compleation, or it would just be discarded and disappear. When Jace "spoke" with Emrakul, the projection of "Emrakul" admitted that she didn't even realized Jace existed, and that the creature Jace was speaking to was simply Jace's own mind attempting to make sense of something that literally could not be understood. Even if SOMEHOW, Elesh Norn pulls off some bullcrap plot-driven plan to compleat Emrakul and it SOMEHOW works, Emrakul would just become the dominant consciousness of Phyrexia, and the multiverse would fall not to Elesh Norn herself, but to her unmatched hubris in thinking she could compleat a being as vast and powerful as Emrakul. Not to mention, Emrakul's title is literally the "Titan of Corruption." While Phyrexia may have the means to corrupt, they would be trying to corrupt the actual embodiment of corruption. It just doesn't work. Sure, they compleated Heliod, but it took a massive amount of planning and effort, and they had to exploit a kind of loophole. They compleated Omnath, which is a being of pure energy, and a manifestation of a plane, but even a being as powerful as Omnath only holds a infinitesimal fraction of an eldrazi titan's power. Seriously, even if Elesh somehow manages to both corrupt the embodiment of corruption, and bend it to her will, how in the hell would you even begin to compleat it? Sure, glistening oil can mutate flesh into machines, but true phyrexians have to be surgically modified to be considered compleat. According to Gideon, her avatar alone is 150 feet tall. How many resources would Norn have to invest to completely turn just her AVATAR into a machine? As stated earlier, her avatar is only a fraction of her actual form. Because Ugin compared a titan's avatar to a hand in a pool of water, and the average female height (if Emrakul can really be counted as female despite being stated to be beyond gender) is around 5'4, and the human palm is 0.08% of the human body, we can assume that Emrakul's true form is at LEAST 187,500 feet tall, using a hand to body ratio of 150 to 0.08%. Meaning that if Emrakul's true form is simplified to be cylindrical, it would be 1,236,872,244 square feet in area. If we are assuming Jin-Gitaxias and his chrome host compleated Emrakul (because I dont know what the irl equivalents of the metals that the other praetors use, and because Jin-Gitaxias is probably the only praetor smart enough to do it), and it takes 19.91 square feet of chrome to compleat a human, that would mean that truly compleating Emrakul's true form would take roughly 1,236,000,000,000 square feet of chrome, which I GUARANTEE that the ENTIRETY of New Phyrexia does not have. Now looking at it from a gameplay perspective, it would be utterly broken to be able to use phyrexian mana to cast Emrakul. However, if they find a way to balance it, it would be completely awesome. So yes, while I think the idea of Emrakul's compleation is completely unrealistic, it would be awesome to see.
A phyrexian Emrakul? Or Eldrazified Phyrexians? Both possibilities are equally terrifying. Seeing Emrakul and Phyrexia fight is actually the BEST case scenario.
It's a pretty solid argument. But I do think the 'hive-mind' it is actually a weakness against Emrakul, she just need to take care of 1 individual that is conected to mostly a whole army. It would have been cool a new horde of Eldrazi beings powered by Phyrexian technology, giving negative counters to other players or using different resources to cast them. Good video and new subscriber over here :)
Literally I was so excited for the March of the Machine storyline because I honestly thought nothing could stop Phyrexia, but they would be their own downfall by compleating Emrakul.
As long as we're talking about Phyrexia's missed opportunities - what if they'd gotten their hands on Nicol Bolas? In the same way they had to have known about Emrakul, the Phyrexians would also have access to information regarding the War of the Spark, and thus Bolas' whereabouts in the multiverse. Now, true, this is a desparked Bolas we're talking about here, and it's unclear if a planewalker's spark can in any way be reignited. Even so, I for one doubt that even compleation would blunt Bolas' indomitable ambitions; if anything, his sudden access to the One would only twist those ambitions further. He would seek not only how to reignite his own spark, but he may even go so far as to seek ways for non-planewalkers to be imbued with the power of the Planeswalker Spark, thus granting this powerful boon to all of Phyrexia. But hey, that's just a theo- oops, wrong channel. 😅
@@wingedparagon4448 Don't blame the characters blame Hasbro story like this would need to have time to polish and Hasbro treat their good writers like crap while bad ones with praise.
If they wanted to get to Bolas, they'd habe to get into the meditation realm and get past Ugin, who created and controls the plane. Serra's realm was vulnerable because Serra herself wasn't present when Phyrexia invaded, but if Ugin is present, his millennia of knowledge and accrued arcane power cannot be understated, and if there's one way for the Phyrexians to learn how to compleat an Eldeazi, that one way is to compleat Ugin, and spirits have been shown to be uniquely resilient against compleation
While emrakul couldn't convert the phrexianized drones, i suspected she would have no trouble converting any of the more autonomise portions of the phyrexian forces. Namely the preators themselves. As im pretty sure the only things she wasn't able to corrupt were planeswalkers as their sparks protected them from the eldritch moons effects, the same way the sparks protected them from the oil. The only reason zombies were immune to emrakul is that have any thought at all they are simply willed to move.
@@chupitheslug The Phyrexians had to come up with a special way to convert Planeswalkers. Their spark did protect them from it originally (before the variation of the oil to counter the spark was made)
Finally, my two mothers are finally working together. ❤ Jokes aside, not a theory but it would be cool to see a video about all the creatures that where said to be able to fight on the same ground as the Eldrazi. All those Hydras, Wurms, Dragons and other forces of nature that where able to fight back the invasion their planes. (Like in Broodhunter Wurm flavour text, for example).
Nice video! But I would like to point to a few things that might be interesting: -The Eldrazi are old and their mind doesn't really "work" in a way we can understand. When Jayce and Emrakul were chatting, it was implied that it was Emrakul and Jayce meeting in a "middle ground" where he could perceive and make sense of her. One mind so vast and alien could be a problem for The One, she would operate in ways the phyrexian hivemind simple could not process or access because it is bound by mortal ways of thinking and existing. While yes, you could probably convert her flesh, I think the battle to convert he mind would be waaaaaaaay more difficult and, for a twist, maybe even lost. Imagine what would happen if the phyrexian hivemind was taken over by the Eldrazi? -Assuming my previous point, I would guess any phyrexian with a strong ego(mainly the praetors) would resist the overpowering will to bow to Emrakul, but all the other ones? They would become phyrexianized eldrazi drones. Norn would have a massive war in her hands before even finishing the invasion of the multiverse! -Now we have a 3 way war with 2 very, very dangerous foes. Assuming a Emrakul victory and eventual control over phyrexia, we now have a massive problem: any world the eldrazi devour would become a new "new phyrexia". The stakes would only go up from there.
Oh hey, I was referenced in a youtube video! Thank you! I like this take, the only difference I would posit is that Emrakul, once "plugged in" to the phyrexian hivemind, could probably convince them that she is The One, similar to how she manifested in Jace's mind in a form he could comprehend and communicate with. Also, since she says there shouldn't be resenent at her arrival, having her override the Phyrexian programming would explain why anyone would be happy to see an eldrazi unleashed.
I know that this is a "what if " senerao but no way because Emrakul was imprisoned in the moon. So how would the phyrexians even know where to find Emrakul ? Because how would they know she's in the moon in the first place and 2nd, how would they get to her ? So there is no way Emrakul was completed.
@@AetherHub i made this comment before watching the video. I don't have any excuses or answers but something is telling me because Emrakul is an eldrazi she can't be completed. Like i said before i don't have any reasons for this just a feeling i guess you can say.
@@Rucarlos ok but they "The phyrexians " had invaded innistrad so if they were going to try to complete Emrakul then why didn't they ? I think the answer to this question is because they knew that they couldn't or they didn't want to risk it. The phyrexians were out trying to complete the entire multiverse and they last thing they wanted to do was to risk freeing and pissing off an Eldrazi titan like Emrakul lol.
Hey, you finally did a video on this! Awesome! During the leadup to this new villian thread in MtG, I remember writing several comments about this being a possibility they might take the story. I also mentioned what if Marit Lage had been corrupted and if one or the other was corrupted and then the resistance somehow freed the other to combat the compleated one. Can you imagine a fight between Emrakul and Marit Lage?! I'd love to see that!
I think Emrakul could be be compleated, but wouldn’t really act like a normal Phyrexian. I kind of doubt the Eldrazi have souls, and the removal of the soul seems to be what makes a Phyrexian start acting differently. So Emrakul would physically be Phyrexian, but wouldn’t actually serve Elesh Norn or stop devouring planes as usual.
I thought this was going go be a part of the phryexian arc when Jace said bring about the end. I know the phrexians are locked up somewhere In the blind eternities and with innistrads moon floating out there I think it's possible that emrakul floats in to where Jace and the other phrexians are, especially since Jace had that mental connection with Emrakul at one point. I don't know who controls who between emrakul or the phrexians however.
Jace and Vraska are still unaccounted for after the invasion. If I had to guess, Jace is still phyrexian and evil but Vraska had all the nanobots microwaved out of her blood (and Jace seems to have done something to protect her mind) so is probably still phyrexian but no longer evil. I expect Jace will show up again on a plane one day and possibly be capable of turning all of the oil and dormant phyrexians on that plane back on. (Norn Vpn) Add in that he's one of the few with any idea about the Emrakul situation and the ONLY one who knows about Bolas, and Jace could be a real problem when he returns.
One issue I see with this is innistrad’s moon itself. Sorin’s construction of the helvault possibly blocked extraplanar communication from Nahiri the first time the eldrazi stirred from their tombs. Meanwhile, at the end of the phyrexian invasion, the plane being phased out of existence cut communication to the rest of the planes, rendering all phyrexians inert. The phyrexians wouldn’t be able to just try and inject the moon with oil- its silver would cut off the oil’s communicative properties to New Phyrexia. Hence, they would absolutely need to physically shatter the moon and engage in a direct confrontation, no mean feat. Also, Emrakul didn’t seem to care much for innistrad, and the leyline lure Nahiri created was no longer active, it feels much more likely Emrakul would just leave.
I’m so glad you ended the video with the possibility of this being future cannon. It is what I was thinking through the whole video. Without Norn, Emrakul could be the new “mother” of phyrexia.
if eldrazi consume mana, and phyrexian oil is basically nanites powered by mana... wouldn't the eldrazi win by default cause the oil itself is empowered by mana?
I'm glad you made this video. For a long time, I really felt like wizards missed a huge opportunity to go down this route. Or at least explore an avenue of phyrexianized eldrazi. It would've been insane to see a compleated Tamiyo break her free from the moon to be compleated and possibly fly off into the great beyond.
if i recall, the avatars dying doesn't kill the actual titans, what the gatewatch did was, to follow the metaphor of a pond and a hand reaching in, they grabbed the hand and yanked the entire being in, only then could the eldrazi be killed, mind you that still took the actual plane of zendikar getting hooked up to chandra and then hyper boosting her spell, the titans going physically into the plane was about to tear it apart, so it's honestly just luck that the gatewatch managed to get the spell off in that very short period of time that the titans were physical and then plane hadn't disintegrated yet
I always thought it would be cool if some off-shoot phyrexian cult used a body of an eldrazi titan to resurrect Yawgmoth. I would love to see Yawg come back and cause a phyrexian civil war, and eventually bring back one of magics' best big bads.
The corrupted Heliod would have been the perfect host body for a new Yawgmoth. A god made stronger by the fanatical worship of the Phyrexians, though I doubt Elesh Norn would be willing to give up power
An alternate theory: The Glistening Oil IS already a FORM of Eldrazi. Despite being wielded like a tool by others, at it's heart it's a World Devouring force that wields the hand that holds it more than the supposed master. It's breached planes on multiple occasions, maybe the Oil is just a VERY different way of an Eldrazi manifesting than the Titans captured on Zendikar.
I talked with some friends about this concept, and I proposed that what if Emrakul intentionally allowed herself to be taken over by the glistening oil in order to overtake the phyrexians, for whatever unknown purpose they have. I made up a custom card that had the Completed mechanic on it, that it got more benefits for the more life you paid to cast it and it had an enter the battlefield effect if it didn't gain those benefits.
I'd argue in skeptacism where you argue in the affirmative. I think the colorlessness the eldrazi represent would offer a resistance to corruption rather than a compatability. After all, its likely the blind eternities would stip away the effects of the oil. Also, with Emrakuls life warping influence, there might be a case that she could undo the corruption of the oil, creating new twisted versions of life
I can see this happening but I also find it easily likely that Phyrexia bit off more than it could chew: either Emrakul takes over the Phyrexian hive mind and becomes its controller, or Emrakul, being linked to Phyrexia, proceeds to simultaneously drain all mana from every Phyrexian across the planes, bringing a complete end to Phyrexia.
A couple comments: A.) magic's multiverse is not one of parallel universes or alternate timelines, we have never once seen this represented and is instead been shown to be separate worlds not based off each other at all. B.) if I remember correctly the extent of the eldrazi's death is unknown, and it is very possible that only their temporary physical forms were killed, not the eldrazi themselves.
Would you be able to do one speculating if Ajani wasn't compleated? Given Nahiri's comments that they would have gone to him instead of her for the strike force, his involvement in dominaria, the plan for Theros, I'd imagine it would be quite the change.
I really with the March of the Machine set was a year or two worth of sets, each featuring ~3 planes showing the battles on each and instead of the battle cards belonging to a single plane in it’s entirety, they could be based on locations, like mini planechase cards. That way we can have cards like the other two compleated gods of Theros, which we don’t even know the identity of yet, or have a bunch of compleated characters appear on cards. Phase 1: the weaker planes that would easily fall could get a last swan song Phase 2: planes that would be able to mount a reasonable defense, but have Capenna thrown in with the phyrexians underestimated the threat of Halo Phase 3: Angels from Capenna fly through the omenpaths created by Realmbreaker and bolster defenses across the worlds that still stand.
The only large issue with this is how compleation works. For a long time people thought Planeswalkers couldn't become phyrexians because of their spark-- Turned out it was because the early Planeswalkers didn't have a true consistent form anymore, you can't compleat something that doesn't exist. Emrakul is simply an avatar for a greater being within the blind eternities that keeps them locked within a physical reality, like other people have mentioned it would be much more possible that even she can corrupt the phyrexians since they unlike herself are defined beings of mortal stature.
As much as I love Phyrexia, I think that, if anything, they would either utterly fail due to how mysterious and incomprehensible they are. With that being said, I honestly would LOVE to see the two artistic directions blending
Several questions: -What if Emrakul learned how to siphon the mana of the dead? -Phyrexia may take the physical Avatar of Emrakul, but what about the true body in the Blind Eternities? -What if Emrakul disagrees with the completion? -What IF Emrakul could corrupt the Phyrexians and begin to challenge The One with a new army of her own, a more powerful one? Remember, with how Emrakul is, she can be a bit of a spicy one. She mainly wants regular colored mana. But who says she doesn't want something else? When she says she doesn't feel complete, maybe that was an early sign that Wizards of the Coast DID intend for Phyrexians to take Emrakul in the lore later on (sneaky move lol). Or maybe, Emrakul was wondering why her purpose was so...shallow. She probably wanted something greater instead of so narrow like eating Mana all the time like Ulamog and Kozilek did. She feels incomplete probably because she wants something greater after observing the minds of others probably before she made them her own. Emrakul is basically a twisted, intelligent mushroom lol. So many possibilities lol.
I do not believe that eldrazi could be completed,, and if I'm honest I'd argue the eldrazi would eat glistening oil and spit out colorless mana. It's more likely that if elesh norn completed emrakul, the phyrexians would belong to emrakul not the other way around
I'd compare it to Riven of a Thousand Voices in Destiny when she was "Taken." The corruption can set in, they can be "Completed/Taken," but they'd still have a will of their own since they can essentially shrug off the mind control but just follows orders.
Spoilers for Duskmourn I am afraid that Valgavoth is free from Duskmoun now & knows about Emrakul being held within the Silver Moon. So, the reason I say this is because of the last scene with Alquist Proft in his office. The very last thing to happen in that story is a door opening & Alquist Proft feeling COLD air blowing. My theory is all that talking between Kaito & Zimone about sensing things within the air currents was all in the story as foreshadowing. I also believe it isn't a coincidence that the guy who tried to screw the group over in exchange of being allowed to leave is named Winter. (He is golgari, idk.. Winter just seems like an odd name for Jund/Golgari; Winter is more U/W in magic) There may also be a hint that Val knows about Innistrad, Emrakul & the Moon. When the deal was finished & Val created a door for Winter (before he tripped & was stopped) the door was described. It had a moon where the eye hole would be and behind the moon, it was decorated with tentacles. Val has a corrupted sense of humor to send a man from a haunted house plane to a plane full of vampires, werewolves, zombies & geist. I believe when the story was wrapping up and Val was going to kill Winter to heal from Kaito's wounds, that we will find out later on that Winter (in a sense of being scared & having no other choice) may have offered his body as a vessel instead. Maybe Val even killed the girl he was keeping young, who brought the bullies over and started this all to begin with as a way to gain enough power to enter Winter or maybe Winter, being a jund person knew enough about pact magic to free Val from his ties to the house... something she tried and failed to do. The COLD air & door is Val, using Winter as a vessel to travel through Omenpaths, now free from Duskmourn. He may be trying to gain a spark or maybe up to more nefarious things. We won't know for a while but I believe Winter/Val might be are new big bad. An Elder Demon, more powerful than any other demon we have ever seen, now pretending to be a human & wrecking havoc on any plane the omenpaths feel like sending him.
@@AetherHub Thanks man. I just noticed that throughout the story the writer kept mentioning air & the flow and importance of it. It just seemed like it was foreshadowing something & then I read that line & it clicked.
I would argue that this cannot be done any more than you could infect a human with something like the Corrupted Blood "virus" in World of Warcraft. The Eldrazi titans are the avatars of the Eldrazi in the same way that a World of Warcraft player character is the avatar of the player. Infecting the avatar cannot infect the player. At best you can corrupt or even steal the avatar, and it'd annoy the player - but the player isn't tangibly affected.
We know that Planeswalkers couldn't be completed for a while but through research on the kami that became possible but it would also cause creeping damage to the spark eventually snuffing it out. This said while I absolutely love the idea of a machine that is infinite and unending it would be horrible for this kind of thing to happen to the eldrazi.
Emrakul is a titan of coruption, and glistening oil just intends to do that so they both are forces of similiar workings. But just as the oil was changed under jin-gitaxias, Emrakul could possibly currupt the glistenig oil itself. Then there would not be a phyrexianised eldrazi, but instead a lot of eldrazied phyrexians. I personaly just think this would be more in line of the real otherwordlyness of these lovecraftian beasts, either corrupting the oil ore being unaffected by it. The presumed death of an eldrazi is something that just tastes bitter as this what really ruined the emersion of such an entity, and thats also why i hope that there will never be anything like a remote controled eldrazi (despite how cool a phyrexianised Emrakul would be).
I think the compleation of Emrakul would be a double-edged sword. While I do agree that Emrakul's manifestation/avatar could be compleated her corruption would take its toll on the Phyrexians turning them into mechanized tentacle abominations(even while compleated). I see Elish Norn welcoming it as a new form of evolution, however, Emrakul only views it as just the loss of a finger only to turn on the phyrexians once they are all corrupted.
My issue is eldrazi are eldritch horrors that distort reality around them. And yes the physical avatars can be beaten but her form on the card is usually described as a limb of the being. I don't think they could get close enough to her initially. Maybe elesh norn could compleat the husks of kozilek and ulamog to attempt to compleat emrakul
Imagine this: Elesh Norn WAS told about Emrakul by Tamiyo and Jace. She sent a squadron of phyrexians to Innistrad and had them infect the moon. While New Phyrexia was phased out of existence, the glistening oil is still there on the moon, doing work... Until one day, Emrakul frees herself and uses her influence over the blind eternities to pull New Phyrexia back, becoming the 'Titan of Machines' and leading the phyrexian forces that were built up while she was still imprisoned into another invasion!
Well for starters we'd all be screwed especially if it's hunger made it unpredictably rebelious. as a sonic fan ive seen the "use a cosmic entity for domination" fail so many times
For Stasis, I would put that in my Azorious artifact deck which has lots of artifact lands and Unwinding Clock. It’s meant to be a competitive deck to begin with.
Personally I suspect that if Emrakul were somehow to be capable of being effected by the Glistening Oil, it would be the last act of Elesh Norn as ruler of New Phyrexia as Emrakul would immediately break her mind, possibly by accident and then based on what Emrakul finds there assume control and begin spreading that vision in some twisted way that fits its own understanding... after warping New Phyrexia into some sort of Lovecraftian body horror amalgamation of Phyexian and Eldrazi of course
Jace and Tamio know the most of any living being about Emrakul... which is still basically nothing. Jace realized he was not even close to understanding Emrakul when they "talked", and Tamio was like "yeah, I didn't do shit, that was all Emrakul". The most intel they can give is "we think she is, maybe, 'trapped' in the moon. How, why, don't know."
Personally I think that, since the Eldrazi are kinda like Lovecraftean gods, Emrakul would probably not be able to be compleated, and if she were I think she’s more likely to become a Dominus or even the Colorless Preator potentially being able to warp the thoughts and minds of the other phyrexians without even trying or meaning to
I think you have it backwards, Emrakul would corrupt the Phyrexians long before they would be able to figure out how to complete her. Even if they did complete Emrakul I think that it would have a reverse effect. I don't Emrakul would be assimilated into Phyrexia. I think Phyrexia would assimilated into the Eldrazi.
Phyresis (compleation) is not colorless. It’s a naturally black mana process. However, it spread to the other colors because of how Argentum was built.
We have 3 big bads waiting in the wings. We either have Bolas escape and try to control Emrakul or Phyrexia, Emrakul finds a way into the meditation realm and takes over Bolas by offering him his old powers or alters Phyrexia to madness, or we have Phyrexia manage to find an Eldrazi or Bolas and use them to escape. Whoever is left out, ends up being an 'enemy of my enemy' situation. Eldrazi + Phyrexia ends up with Bolas getting released as a hail mary where he says his vengeance will come after the threats defeated. Or Phyrexia will be unleashed if it's the Eldrazi and Bolas and be a trump card against the swarm of drones/mana eating. Or Emrakul says "now the time is right" and unleashes herself to devour Phyrexia+Bolas.
I feel like because emrakul is essentially a puppet, she may have died to the creator. I also think emrakul could probably reverse the effects of the oil and new phyrexia would do as emrakul commands. but as we are theorizing, no one is wrong here.
More theory crafting. Presumably Emrakul is ancient and so is Phyrexia and Phyrexian oil. Emrakul is also basically the Titan of Corruption. What if her influence or she herself was the original source of Phyrexian Oil? Or what if she's already been corrupted by devouring a Phyrexian Plane millennia ago? Like she is the One.
Hmm… I think Emrakul to some extent would be incorruptible. That being said, Norn would attempt to compleat it. However, being that Emrakul caused great pain to the minds of those that could not comprehend her, even took Jace a second time to be able to understand Emrakul, the beacon of her message would distort the minds of the Phyrexians, maybe even to warp them to believe that Emrakul IS the One. With the Phyrexians spread out across multiple planes as the Madness of Emrakul spread it would consume and warp exponentially more than Emrakul visiting a single plane, feeding mana back to Emrakul - thus may even warp Emrakul into a World Anew.
I would have said that Compleation is tied to the Black mana, as it was created by Yawgmoth to an extent, and all the cards that give Infect bar Corrupted Concience are Black. Phyresis, Glistening Oil and Tainted Strike are the main ones that come to mind.
This really hinges on if the titans are fully on the plane or are simply using an Avatar to manafest part of their power. My thought is individually, Kozi wouldn't be turned because of his distortion simply negating the oil like the monsters on Ikoria evolving fast enough to be immune. Ulamog would fall 100% Emrakrul would fall when faced by an army of drones but as we seen with Ashiok, if against Elesh Norn herself it could go the other way. Now, my 'ideal' story would be Avatars that got corrupted and went on to challenge the OG's Imagine, Ugin trying to convince the gatewatch to fight alongside the Titans.
You have mentioned this on the previous video on Eldrazi as well and I haven't actually read the story but did the writers specifically say tha t the gatewatch pull the full titans from the blind eternities before killing them or did they just kill the physical manifestations in the planes?
Loved this! In truth I feel both sides would influence each other, whipping the Compleation process into something either more profound or quicker - as Eldrazi warping could prime targets to go through that process. The Eldrazi Titans are furthermore interesting, especially Emrakul, in that they could have well served the role that the Realmbreaker had - with Emrakul's true body in the space between the Planes being the connective tissue that would allow Phyrexians to go to other realms to make perfect. I would love to see more what ifs! Maybe not the inverse as Eldrazi-warped Phyrexians probably don't gain as much narratively.
Wouldnt be suprised if thier was some sort of time anomaly around her rn just like teferi and think that she possibly is much more active in a presence right now than what we can see while she goes across time now and is probably much bigger threat in that way spreading her influence across time rather than a single instance of her invading with her physical body
This is a horrifying what if... It brought chill down my spine. Thinking about a Eldrazi titan being completed is.. is a work of art that I have no word to describe it. You are right the Gatewatch, Ugin, and the multiverse wouldn't stand a chance against this monstrosity. I wish it was a card in the storyline because I believe this card would have been broken to the point it would be banned in commander and standard less than a second, now I want this to be real. Magic the gathering owe us for cutting this arc so short.
@@randomrants148The eldrazi titans are just on another level. Ashioc messed with the mind of elesh norn, just imagine what emrakul, the titan of mental domination could do. It would most certainly end up the other way around.
I like this type of video and would like if you did more. We still don't know what mission Jace was sent on. Maybe he was sent to Innistrad to find a way to Compleat Emrakul. Did the titans on Zendakar truly die? I know the gatewatch tried to pull them onto the plane, but did they succeed? Or did they just cut off a limb? Since the avatars we see on a plan is just a limb, how big is a titan? Can they feed on multiple plans at once?
To be fair, whoever won between phyrexia/elesh norn and emrakul all depends on who gets a head start. This scenario in the video goes one way, but what if the opposite was true, emrakul breaks free and returns to innistrad and mutates innistrad to her, itd be a very different story
I honestly think if this had happened and they tried to conpleat her, we would learn a new way the eldrazi function, like ahe excises the infection or turns it back on the phyrexians and instead takes kver the hive mond because her being is so much stronger
Emrakul shows up on New Phyrexia: "Oh, new things play.. with.. eww.. this looks gross. This won't do, I'll have to.. Hey, don't touch me, I don't know where you've been!"
If the eldrazi is described as someone reaching their hand into a pond then wouldn’t the same concept of the whisperings and blights of insects have no effect. As the titans are just mere avatars to their true form
I think the idea of emrakul awaiting completion could have been a much grander and logical way for phyrexian to be defeated. I believe it was the simple death of norn that brought them down(not super familiar with the march of the machine lore so let me know if that is wrong). But if emrakul awaited the completion and was somehow a rogue phyrexian that strove to destroy phyrexia. Maybe she didn’t want to be eating phyrexianized planes or something of the nature. But her mind manipulation as a rogue Phyrexian could overtake the hive mind and teleport it into the blind eternities.
It would have probably happened the other way, the Phyrexians becoming distorted by Emrakul.
If Ashioc played with the mind of Elesh Norn, you can imagine how easy it would be for Emrakul
Totally agree, we are talking about a sortoff "disease", the glistening oil, having brought a lot under its control by constantly growing and having Phyrexians work with technology to spread it even more, vs a being just coming to a plane and corrupting it head on
I absolutely agree, Emrakul would force all Phyrexians back to New Phyrexia, and then would destroy that dying plane.
@@Vearru phyrexia is but a snack for the eldrazi
I've always thought that way too. Norn would try to corrupt Enrakul in the moon of Innistrad, and suddenly Enrakul would start altering the phyrexians sent there and thus depart to new phyreria to consume that dying world.
@@davidgarrido6732 the whole point of emrakul being in the moon is that she doesn't eat dying planes
Emrakul consuming phyrexian mana like "Damn why is it *spicy* ??"
And soon she’s want MORE
Because it costs life!!!! Go team!
@@AetherHub emrakul getting addicted to phyrexian mana and eating the whole plane like a spicy takeout dish only to then BECOME the phyrexian plane is my personal take on how she would be compleated
Nah, not spicy. It would be like drinking garbage water
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Here's a theory: since the eldrazi titans as we know them are really just avatars, maybe the glistening oil would only corrupt the manifestation of emrakul, and emrakul, like the hand in the pond, would be able to form another avatar, not corrupted by the oil... maybe emrakul vs. emrakul?
Would be INSANE and not impossible either…
@@AetherHubBasically. But it would be a while.
After the physical Avatar of Emrakul is taken, that means the true GIANT form of Emrakul in the Blind Eternities would have to go to another Plane and syphon mana enough to gain another one.
Then again, CAN Emrakul gain another Avatar if her main one is taken from her? Maybe, but not for a very long, long time most likely, for it takes a lot for them just to make one by chance.
@@Viktor47917 Surely it doesn't take that much effort for Emrakul to create an avatar on the plane of existence that she is visiting? I have always regarded the Eldrazi, or any creature from the Blind Eternities, as being 4th, or higher dimensional, entities and the amount of effort they put into creating their avatars on a PoE as being comparable to us, or 3rd dimensional beings, putting effort into drawing oneself on a piece of paper.
For context, think about an artist drawing a self insert of themself into a comic book. No matter how powerful the characters are in the comic book, even if they defeat the self insert, regardless of their plan, they could never truly beat the artist because the artist will always be able to see what the characters are saying, thinking, or planning by reading the chat bubbles.
With that context, putting Emrakul in the place of the artist, and the comic characters being the Gatewatch or any character in MTG, it is really frightening just how much power Emrakul actually has at her disposal.
Honestly if they could figure out a mechanic for it emrakul cuts off the avatar like cutting off a hand to save the body
@@Viktor47917maybe that Emrakul will be like the hand from Addams Family. A severed limb brought to life.
I feel like this what if relies on the interpretation of the Eldrazi as a corrupting force. I know that's how they were portrayed in the latest storyline, but at the end of the day Em's corruption of Innistrad's creatures was a means to an end. Eldrazi consume mana. Their spawn are extensions that assist in that consumption. Though it was developed through artifice, compleation is a magical process. It may be colorless, but the Eldrazi mastered colorless mana well before Phyrexia - originally they were black aligned. Im skeptical that any magical process could effect Emrakul without her consent, she could easily consume the mana and negate the process. If they had her consent, well, yikes.
Maybe it's like drugs and emrakul's avatar would want more... Or maybe she could control insanity and never be controlled by need or want... Or maybe the glistening oil could analyse all of the avatars processes and reproduce it... Or maybe each part of emrakul have it's own mind and could be partially corrupted... Or maybe emrakul could see outside space time and is waiting for phyrexia to find her so she could corrupt phyrexia overmind and keep on consuming mana faster... Or phyrexia would absorb emrakul and control matter, mand and spark consuming not only mana like the eldrazi but everything... Or maybe we are all fucked......
The moment Emrakul's mind gets included in "The One" it would go something like "How can all be one... when All Is Dust?" *-Proceeds to rot every mind to the eldrazi madness-*
Jace never had a conversation with Emrakul. He had a conversation with an entity that his mind conjured in order to make sense of what he was encountering. In all likelihood, she never even noticed him
It could have been a fraction of her consciousness. With a being like Emrakul her mind would be completely alien so who knows how it would work
That's a pile of yesn't. Sure only a fraction of Emrakul was contained in that interaction, but it was a real interaction, not merely a creation in his own head with literally no bearing on Emrakul.
Compleation is very much not a colourless process. Each of the completed creatures from MoM gained a secondary colour based on who compleated them.
Very much inline with what happened on New Pheyrexia.
I reckon Emrakul is much more likely to corrupt the Praetors, and/or go to war with them.
Edit: mistyped Praetors, nty autocorrect.
She'd be a Eldrazi Phyrexian with Devoid that costs an ungodly amount of colorless mana but has WURBG in her text box somehow.
Two words: Plot Armor.
Just look how the Elder Dinos From Ixalan Swallowed Glistwning Oil and Were Totally Fine!
At least one wasn’t fine ;)
Emrakul would instantly shatter not only Elish Norns mind, but also the hive mind that is Phyrexia, and replace it all with herself. Maybe not even on purpose, but just by the very existence of what she is. Ironically, she would truly embody Norns goal.
All would be one, all would be Emrakul.
I feel like it would be the other way around. Emrakul and the others would take over the phyrexians. Future story arc maybe? When they want to "play" again
I was thinking this too since eldrazi are basically gods of colorless mana.
I was almost thinking the same thing, but that Phyresis and the madness of Emrakul wouldn't be able to both work on one being at the same time. That said, I do think some of the beings in New Phyrexia not made from people or creatures, ones who still have minds of their own, like the Praetors, would be affected by the madness.
Honestly I'd put my money on Em twisting Phyrexia as opposed to vice versa.
I just don’t see it. The way they corrupt and what we’ve seen with Emrakuls inability to corrupt zombies… I think Phyrexia may be the winners
I think Emrakul would be corrupted, but her presence would change phyrexia, like how different Norn's phyrexia is from Yawgmoth's. Emrakul would be the new Mother of Machines and they would truly be one.
@@miksapribus2140 Ye thats my thought. Even if Norn managed to corrupt Emrakul whats stopping Em from essentially overthrowning the Praetors?
@@AetherHubAshiok was able to mess with Elesh Norns mind, why would Emrakul who is significantly better at it not be able to corrupt Her and for that matter every single other Praetor and Phyrexianized character who kept partial consciousness? Also what’s to say then being a hive mind doesn’t make it even easier for her to corrupt them all in one fail swoop? We need a lot more info on Em for this one, like what planes has she consumed and threats she’s dealt with. Like the slivers are no different in terms of hive mind, in fact even more true to it most likely and if Em has ever dealt with them she should easily be able to corrupt the Phyrexians.
@AetherHub that's because they're Zombies. I believe it's because Em corrupts living things with brains and a soul. Zombies have no usable brain, lack a soul and are dead. Sure they're "alive", but not in the typical sense. Zombies for the win... and life hack.
There must've been some compleated slivers right? How did that pan out? Would love more theory videos!
Would love to make more! Thanks for the feedback. And you would imagine right… there had to be a few. Which hivemind would they obey now..?
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Volrath actually reengineered slivers but it doesn't really give context as to if they were actually compleated but they were partially phyrexian .
I am pretty sure if single Slivers would be compleated, they would be instantly cut from the hive mind and be no real slivers anymore. I think the whole SLiver hive mind is much too strong to be completely taken over by the Phyrexians
I feel like if some slivers became completed the Sliver Queen and other upper echelon would cut them from their hive mind and could eventually have a sliver civil war until both sides were destroyed.
But I could see the slivers giving all slivers or phyrexians their shared abilities which would be scary as fuck.
And oko flexs his magic abs and turns emerakul into a 3/3 elk
Ok, hold on. Emrakul doesn't have a physical form. Ugin literally stated that when an eldrazi invades a plane, only part of it actually shows up. The eldrazi are so vast and alien that even if you compleated their avatar, you are only compleating a fraction of their being. A fraction that would probably just either not be affected by compleation, or it would just be discarded and disappear. When Jace "spoke" with Emrakul, the projection of "Emrakul" admitted that she didn't even realized Jace existed, and that the creature Jace was speaking to was simply Jace's own mind attempting to make sense of something that literally could not be understood. Even if SOMEHOW, Elesh Norn pulls off some bullcrap plot-driven plan to compleat Emrakul and it SOMEHOW works, Emrakul would just become the dominant consciousness of Phyrexia, and the multiverse would fall not to Elesh Norn herself, but to her unmatched hubris in thinking she could compleat a being as vast and powerful as Emrakul. Not to mention, Emrakul's title is literally the "Titan of Corruption." While Phyrexia may have the means to corrupt, they would be trying to corrupt the actual embodiment of corruption. It just doesn't work. Sure, they compleated Heliod, but it took a massive amount of planning and effort, and they had to exploit a kind of loophole. They compleated Omnath, which is a being of pure energy, and a manifestation of a plane, but even a being as powerful as Omnath only holds a infinitesimal fraction of an eldrazi titan's power. Seriously, even if Elesh somehow manages to both corrupt the embodiment of corruption, and bend it to her will, how in the hell would you even begin to compleat it? Sure, glistening oil can mutate flesh into machines, but true phyrexians have to be surgically modified to be considered compleat. According to Gideon, her avatar alone is 150 feet tall. How many resources would Norn have to invest to completely turn just her AVATAR into a machine? As stated earlier, her avatar is only a fraction of her actual form. Because Ugin compared a titan's avatar to a hand in a pool of water, and the average female height (if Emrakul can really be counted as female despite being stated to be beyond gender) is around 5'4, and the human palm is 0.08% of the human body, we can assume that Emrakul's true form is at LEAST 187,500 feet tall, using a hand to body ratio of 150 to 0.08%. Meaning that if Emrakul's true form is simplified to be cylindrical, it would be 1,236,872,244 square feet in area. If we are assuming Jin-Gitaxias and his chrome host compleated Emrakul (because I dont know what the irl equivalents of the metals that the other praetors use, and because Jin-Gitaxias is probably the only praetor smart enough to do it), and it takes 19.91 square feet of chrome to compleat a human, that would mean that truly compleating Emrakul's true form would take roughly 1,236,000,000,000 square feet of chrome, which I GUARANTEE that the ENTIRETY of New Phyrexia does not have. Now looking at it from a gameplay perspective, it would be utterly broken to be able to use phyrexian mana to cast Emrakul. However, if they find a way to balance it, it would be completely awesome. So yes, while I think the idea of Emrakul's compleation is completely unrealistic, it would be awesome to see.
The artwork of Compleated Emrakul is amazing! Well done artist!
The attack of Nicol Bolas's Phyrexian Eldrazi Slivers.
The ultimate threat 😳
Etenalized phryexian eldrazi slivers.
A phyrexian Emrakul? Or Eldrazified Phyrexians?
Both possibilities are equally terrifying. Seeing Emrakul and Phyrexia fight is actually the BEST case scenario.
It's a pretty solid argument. But I do think the 'hive-mind' it is actually a weakness against Emrakul, she just need to take care of 1 individual that is conected to mostly a whole army. It would have been cool a new horde of Eldrazi beings powered by Phyrexian technology, giving negative counters to other players or using different resources to cast them.
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Literally I was so excited for the March of the Machine storyline because I honestly thought nothing could stop Phyrexia, but they would be their own downfall by compleating Emrakul.
As long as we're talking about Phyrexia's missed opportunities - what if they'd gotten their hands on Nicol Bolas? In the same way they had to have known about Emrakul, the Phyrexians would also have access to information regarding the War of the Spark, and thus Bolas' whereabouts in the multiverse. Now, true, this is a desparked Bolas we're talking about here, and it's unclear if a planewalker's spark can in any way be reignited. Even so, I for one doubt that even compleation would blunt Bolas' indomitable ambitions; if anything, his sudden access to the One would only twist those ambitions further. He would seek not only how to reignite his own spark, but he may even go so far as to seek ways for non-planewalkers to be imbued with the power of the Planeswalker Spark, thus granting this powerful boon to all of Phyrexia. But hey, that's just a theo- oops, wrong channel. 😅
Yeah, if they can complete planeswalker with their spark they could gain a spark by stealing it anything could happen.
This was something I thought of too. They had the one person in the multiverse who knows Bolas is alive under their control and... Nothing.
@@wingedparagon4448 Don't blame the characters blame Hasbro story like this would need to have time to polish and Hasbro treat their good writers like crap while bad ones with praise.
I belive Bolas made hinself immune to the phyrexian oil.
If they wanted to get to Bolas, they'd habe to get into the meditation realm and get past Ugin, who created and controls the plane.
Serra's realm was vulnerable because Serra herself wasn't present when Phyrexia invaded, but if Ugin is present, his millennia of knowledge and accrued arcane power cannot be understated, and if there's one way for the Phyrexians to learn how to compleat an Eldeazi, that one way is to compleat Ugin, and spirits have been shown to be uniquely resilient against compleation
I wanted this so bad. I also wanted to see how the compleation interacted with the tides of Lorwyn.
One is Chaos and the other is perfection of Order. It would probably balance each other out by theory.
While emrakul couldn't convert the phrexianized drones, i suspected she would have no trouble converting any of the more autonomise portions of the phyrexian forces. Namely the preators themselves. As im pretty sure the only things she wasn't able to corrupt were planeswalkers as their sparks protected them from the eldritch moons effects, the same way the sparks protected them from the oil.
The only reason zombies were immune to emrakul is that have any thought at all they are simply willed to move.
Alot of planeswalkers were converted to phyrexians despite their spark and ended up losing it after
@@chupitheslug The Phyrexians had to come up with a special way to convert Planeswalkers. Their spark did protect them from it originally (before the variation of the oil to counter the spark was made)
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Jokes aside, not a theory but it would be cool to see a video about all the creatures that where said to be able to fight on the same ground as the Eldrazi.
All those Hydras, Wurms, Dragons and other forces of nature that where able to fight back the invasion their planes.
(Like in Broodhunter Wurm flavour text, for example).
Nice video! But I would like to point to a few things that might be interesting:
-The Eldrazi are old and their mind doesn't really "work" in a way we can understand. When Jayce and Emrakul were chatting, it was implied that it was Emrakul and Jayce meeting in a "middle ground" where he could perceive and make sense of her. One mind so vast and alien could be a problem for The One, she would operate in ways the phyrexian hivemind simple could not process or access because it is bound by mortal ways of thinking and existing. While yes, you could probably convert her flesh, I think the battle to convert he mind would be waaaaaaaay more difficult and, for a twist, maybe even lost. Imagine what would happen if the phyrexian hivemind was taken over by the Eldrazi?
-Assuming my previous point, I would guess any phyrexian with a strong ego(mainly the praetors) would resist the overpowering will to bow to Emrakul, but all the other ones? They would become phyrexianized eldrazi drones. Norn would have a massive war in her hands before even finishing the invasion of the multiverse!
-Now we have a 3 way war with 2 very, very dangerous foes. Assuming a Emrakul victory and eventual control over phyrexia, we now have a massive problem: any world the eldrazi devour would become a new "new phyrexia". The stakes would only go up from there.
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I like this take, the only difference I would posit is that Emrakul, once "plugged in" to the phyrexian hivemind, could probably convince them that she is The One, similar to how she manifested in Jace's mind in a form he could comprehend and communicate with. Also, since she says there shouldn't be resenent at her arrival, having her override the Phyrexian programming would explain why anyone would be happy to see an eldrazi unleashed.
I know that this is a "what if " senerao but no way because Emrakul was imprisoned in the moon. So how would the phyrexians even know where to find Emrakul ? Because how would they know she's in the moon in the first place and 2nd, how would they get to her ? So there is no way Emrakul was completed.
In the video I address both these concerns. Give it a full watch 😉
@@AetherHub i made this comment before watching the video. I don't have any excuses or answers but something is telling me because Emrakul is an eldrazi she can't be completed. Like i said before i don't have any reasons for this just a feeling i guess you can say.
Nahiri and Jace were compleated for a second. Doubt they'd keep that tidbit a secret
@@Rucarlos ok but they "The phyrexians " had invaded innistrad so if they were going to try to complete Emrakul then why didn't they ? I think the answer to this question is because they knew that they couldn't or they didn't want to risk it. The phyrexians were out trying to complete the entire multiverse and they last thing they wanted to do was to risk freeing and pissing off an Eldrazi titan like Emrakul lol.
@@starknight2262 More likely the writers forgot her or didn’t want to have to make an even longer story under a tight schedule.
Hey, you finally did a video on this! Awesome! During the leadup to this new villian thread in MtG, I remember writing several comments about this being a possibility they might take the story. I also mentioned what if Marit Lage had been corrupted and if one or the other was corrupted and then the resistance somehow freed the other to combat the compleated one. Can you imagine a fight between Emrakul and Marit Lage?! I'd love to see that!
I think Emrakul could be be compleated, but wouldn’t really act like a normal Phyrexian. I kind of doubt the Eldrazi have souls, and the removal of the soul seems to be what makes a Phyrexian start acting differently. So Emrakul would physically be Phyrexian, but wouldn’t actually serve Elesh Norn or stop devouring planes as usual.
"She would immediately lose to everyone everywhere at the same time" - march of the machine
i love the image of phyrexian Jace- sitting on innistrads moon with a shovel, huffing and digging, completely unaware that Elesh norn was dead already
I thought this was going go be a part of the phryexian arc when Jace said bring about the end. I know the phrexians are locked up somewhere In the blind eternities and with innistrads moon floating out there I think it's possible that emrakul floats in to where Jace and the other phrexians are, especially since Jace had that mental connection with Emrakul at one point. I don't know who controls who between emrakul or the phrexians however.
WAIT JACE WAS SENT ON A SECRET MISSION IM MARCH OF THE MACHINE!!!
@AetherHub perhaps, but compleated eldrazi are spooky
Jace and Vraska are still unaccounted for after the invasion.
If I had to guess, Jace is still phyrexian and evil but Vraska had all the nanobots microwaved out of her blood (and Jace seems to have done something to protect her mind) so is probably still phyrexian but no longer evil.
I expect Jace will show up again on a plane one day and possibly be capable of turning all of the oil and dormant phyrexians on that plane back on. (Norn Vpn)
Add in that he's one of the few with any idea about the Emrakul situation and the ONLY one who knows about Bolas, and Jace could be a real problem when he returns.
One issue I see with this is innistrad’s moon itself. Sorin’s construction of the helvault possibly blocked extraplanar communication from Nahiri the first time the eldrazi stirred from their tombs. Meanwhile, at the end of the phyrexian invasion, the plane being phased out of existence cut communication to the rest of the planes, rendering all phyrexians inert. The phyrexians wouldn’t be able to just try and inject the moon with oil- its silver would cut off the oil’s communicative properties to New Phyrexia. Hence, they would absolutely need to physically shatter the moon and engage in a direct confrontation, no mean feat. Also, Emrakul didn’t seem to care much for innistrad, and the leyline lure Nahiri created was no longer active, it feels much more likely Emrakul would just leave.
I’m so glad you ended the video with the possibility of this being future cannon. It is what I was thinking through the whole video. Without Norn, Emrakul could be the new “mother” of phyrexia.
if eldrazi consume mana, and phyrexian oil is basically nanites powered by mana... wouldn't the eldrazi win by default cause the oil itself is empowered by mana?
I'm glad you made this video. For a long time, I really felt like wizards missed a huge opportunity to go down this route. Or at least explore an avenue of phyrexianized eldrazi. It would've been insane to see a compleated Tamiyo break her free from the moon to be compleated and possibly fly off into the great beyond.
What if Lukka had a good redemption Arc? What would it look like? What if he became a bounty hunter at Thunder Junction and had Mila alongside him?
Awe I’d love to have seen a real redemption for Lukka
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if i recall, the avatars dying doesn't kill the actual titans, what the gatewatch did was, to follow the metaphor of a pond and a hand reaching in, they grabbed the hand and yanked the entire being in, only then could the eldrazi be killed, mind you that still took the actual plane of zendikar getting hooked up to chandra and then hyper boosting her spell, the titans going physically into the plane was about to tear it apart, so it's honestly just luck that the gatewatch managed to get the spell off in that very short period of time that the titans were physical and then plane hadn't disintegrated yet
I always thought it would be cool if some off-shoot phyrexian cult used a body of an eldrazi titan to resurrect Yawgmoth. I would love to see Yawg come back and cause a phyrexian civil war, and eventually bring back one of magics' best big bads.
if anything was to fuck with the old story, the phyrexians would be the ones to desecrate graves
The corrupted Heliod would have been the perfect host body for a new Yawgmoth. A god made stronger by the fanatical worship of the Phyrexians, though I doubt Elesh Norn would be willing to give up power
An alternate theory: The Glistening Oil IS already a FORM of Eldrazi. Despite being wielded like a tool by others, at it's heart it's a World Devouring force that wields the hand that holds it more than the supposed master. It's breached planes on multiple occasions, maybe the Oil is just a VERY different way of an Eldrazi manifesting than the Titans captured on Zendikar.
I talked with some friends about this concept, and I proposed that what if Emrakul intentionally allowed herself to be taken over by the glistening oil in order to overtake the phyrexians, for whatever unknown purpose they have. I made up a custom card that had the Completed mechanic on it, that it got more benefits for the more life you paid to cast it and it had an enter the battlefield effect if it didn't gain those benefits.
I'd argue in skeptacism where you argue in the affirmative. I think the colorlessness the eldrazi represent would offer a resistance to corruption rather than a compatability. After all, its likely the blind eternities would stip away the effects of the oil. Also, with Emrakuls life warping influence, there might be a case that she could undo the corruption of the oil, creating new twisted versions of life
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I can see this happening but I also find it easily likely that Phyrexia bit off more than it could chew: either Emrakul takes over the Phyrexian hive mind and becomes its controller, or Emrakul, being linked to Phyrexia, proceeds to simultaneously drain all mana from every Phyrexian across the planes, bringing a complete end to Phyrexia.
A couple comments: A.) magic's multiverse is not one of parallel universes or alternate timelines, we have never once seen this represented and is instead been shown to be separate worlds not based off each other at all. B.) if I remember correctly the extent of the eldrazi's death is unknown, and it is very possible that only their temporary physical forms were killed, not the eldrazi themselves.
Would you be able to do one speculating if Ajani wasn't compleated? Given Nahiri's comments that they would have gone to him instead of her for the strike force, his involvement in dominaria, the plan for Theros, I'd imagine it would be quite the change.
I really with the March of the Machine set was a year or two worth of sets, each featuring ~3 planes showing the battles on each and instead of the battle cards belonging to a single plane in it’s entirety, they could be based on locations, like mini planechase cards. That way we can have cards like the other two compleated gods of Theros, which we don’t even know the identity of yet, or have a bunch of compleated characters appear on cards.
Phase 1: the weaker planes that would easily fall could get a last swan song
Phase 2: planes that would be able to mount a reasonable defense, but have Capenna thrown in with the phyrexians underestimated the threat of Halo
Phase 3: Angels from Capenna fly through the omenpaths created by Realmbreaker and bolster defenses across the worlds that still stand.
The only large issue with this is how compleation works. For a long time people thought Planeswalkers couldn't become phyrexians because of their spark-- Turned out it was because the early Planeswalkers didn't have a true consistent form anymore, you can't compleat something that doesn't exist. Emrakul is simply an avatar for a greater being within the blind eternities that keeps them locked within a physical reality, like other people have mentioned it would be much more possible that even she can corrupt the phyrexians since they unlike herself are defined beings of mortal stature.
As much as I love Phyrexia, I think that, if anything, they would either utterly fail due to how mysterious and incomprehensible they are.
With that being said, I honestly would LOVE to see the two artistic directions blending
What if bolas won and had to fight the war against phyrexia?
Several questions:
-What if Emrakul learned how to siphon the mana of the dead?
-Phyrexia may take the physical Avatar of Emrakul, but what about the true body in the Blind Eternities?
-What if Emrakul disagrees with the completion?
-What IF Emrakul could corrupt the Phyrexians and begin to challenge The One with a new army of her own, a more powerful one?
Remember, with how Emrakul is, she can be a bit of a spicy one. She mainly wants regular colored mana. But who says she doesn't want something else?
When she says she doesn't feel complete, maybe that was an early sign that Wizards of the Coast DID intend for Phyrexians to take Emrakul in the lore later on (sneaky move lol).
Or maybe, Emrakul was wondering why her purpose was so...shallow. She probably wanted something greater instead of so narrow like eating Mana all the time like Ulamog and Kozilek did. She feels incomplete probably because she wants something greater after observing the minds of others probably before she made them her own. Emrakul is basically a twisted, intelligent mushroom lol.
So many possibilities lol.
It's not that emrakul couldn't siphon mana from the dead she just couldn't corrupt them
@@triplejinx7974 But what if she did find a way to?
Great video! Would def watch more of these
I do not believe that eldrazi could be completed,, and if I'm honest I'd argue the eldrazi would eat glistening oil and spit out colorless mana. It's more likely that if elesh norn completed emrakul, the phyrexians would belong to emrakul not the other way around
Based off the information you provided, it leads me to conclude that slivers would also make an excellent counter on the mental front of emrikul
I'd compare it to Riven of a Thousand Voices in Destiny when she was "Taken."
The corruption can set in, they can be "Completed/Taken," but they'd still have a will of their own since they can essentially shrug off the mind control but just follows orders.
Spoilers for Duskmourn
I am afraid that Valgavoth is free from Duskmoun now & knows about Emrakul being held within the Silver Moon. So, the reason I say this is because of the last scene with Alquist Proft in his office. The very last thing to happen in that story is a door opening & Alquist Proft feeling COLD air blowing. My theory is all that talking between Kaito & Zimone about sensing things within the air currents was all in the story as foreshadowing. I also believe it isn't a coincidence that the guy who tried to screw the group over in exchange of being allowed to leave is named Winter. (He is golgari, idk.. Winter just seems like an odd name for Jund/Golgari; Winter is more U/W in magic) There may also be a hint that Val knows about Innistrad, Emrakul & the Moon. When the deal was finished & Val created a door for Winter (before he tripped & was stopped) the door was described. It had a moon where the eye hole would be and behind the moon, it was decorated with tentacles. Val has a corrupted sense of humor to send a man from a haunted house plane to a plane full of vampires, werewolves, zombies & geist.
I believe when the story was wrapping up and Val was going to kill Winter to heal from Kaito's wounds, that we will find out later on that Winter (in a sense of being scared & having no other choice) may have offered his body as a vessel instead. Maybe Val even killed the girl he was keeping young, who brought the bullies over and started this all to begin with as a way to gain enough power to enter Winter or maybe Winter, being a jund person knew enough about pact magic to free Val from his ties to the house... something she tried and failed to do.
The COLD air & door is Val, using Winter as a vessel to travel through Omenpaths, now free from Duskmourn. He may be trying to gain a spark or maybe up to more nefarious things. We won't know for a while but I believe Winter/Val might be are new big bad. An Elder Demon, more powerful than any other demon we have ever seen, now pretending to be a human & wrecking havoc on any plane the omenpaths feel like sending him.
This was an amazing breakdown and theory on your part. I love it!!
@@AetherHub Thanks man. I just noticed that throughout the story the writer kept mentioning air & the flow and importance of it. It just seemed like it was foreshadowing something & then I read that line & it clicked.
It would be dope if we got a "what if" set of cards where you have multiple planes battling it out and or working together for a greater cause
I would argue that this cannot be done any more than you could infect a human with something like the Corrupted Blood "virus" in World of Warcraft.
The Eldrazi titans are the avatars of the Eldrazi in the same way that a World of Warcraft player character is the avatar of the player. Infecting the avatar cannot infect the player. At best you can corrupt or even steal the avatar, and it'd annoy the player - but the player isn't tangibly affected.
Another fantastic video Mr. Seiben!
Glad you enjoyed it!
We know that Planeswalkers couldn't be completed for a while but through research on the kami that became possible but it would also cause creeping damage to the spark eventually snuffing it out. This said while I absolutely love the idea of a machine that is infinite and unending it would be horrible for this kind of thing to happen to the eldrazi.
Emrakul is a titan of coruption, and glistening oil just intends to do that so they both are forces of similiar workings. But just as the oil was changed under jin-gitaxias, Emrakul could possibly currupt the glistenig oil itself. Then there would not be a phyrexianised eldrazi, but instead a lot of eldrazied phyrexians.
I personaly just think this would be more in line of the real otherwordlyness of these lovecraftian beasts, either corrupting the oil ore being unaffected by it. The presumed death of an eldrazi is something that just tastes bitter as this what really ruined the emersion of such an entity, and thats also why i hope that there will never be anything like a remote controled eldrazi (despite how cool a phyrexianised Emrakul would be).
Thank you for making this video! I commented this back when Tamiyo got compleated. I always assumed emrakul would take over as the phyrexian god
For the record, it wasn't Norn's ingenuity. Ajani was the one who understood how it worked and informed Norn of this.
One thing I'm surprised you didn't mention in the Could Emrakul be compleated section is that Glistening Oil once compleated a Worldsoul
I think the compleation of Emrakul would be a double-edged sword. While I do agree that Emrakul's manifestation/avatar could be compleated her corruption would take its toll on the Phyrexians turning them into mechanized tentacle abominations(even while compleated). I see Elish Norn welcoming it as a new form of evolution, however, Emrakul only views it as just the loss of a finger only to turn on the phyrexians once they are all corrupted.
My issue is eldrazi are eldritch horrors that distort reality around them. And yes the physical avatars can be beaten but her form on the card is usually described as a limb of the being. I don't think they could get close enough to her initially. Maybe elesh norn could compleat the husks of kozilek and ulamog to attempt to compleat emrakul
Imagine this: Elesh Norn WAS told about Emrakul by Tamiyo and Jace. She sent a squadron of phyrexians to Innistrad and had them infect the moon.
While New Phyrexia was phased out of existence, the glistening oil is still there on the moon, doing work... Until one day, Emrakul frees herself and uses her influence over the blind eternities to pull New Phyrexia back, becoming the 'Titan of Machines' and leading the phyrexian forces that were built up while she was still imprisoned into another invasion!
Well for starters we'd all be screwed especially if it's hunger made it unpredictably rebelious. as a sonic fan ive seen the "use a cosmic entity for domination" fail so many times
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For Stasis, I would put that in my Azorious artifact deck which has lots of artifact lands and Unwinding Clock. It’s meant to be a competitive deck to begin with.
Personally I suspect that if Emrakul were somehow to be capable of being effected by the Glistening Oil, it would be the last act of Elesh Norn as ruler of New Phyrexia as Emrakul would immediately break her mind, possibly by accident and then based on what Emrakul finds there assume control and begin spreading that vision in some twisted way that fits its own understanding... after warping New Phyrexia into some sort of Lovecraftian body horror amalgamation of Phyexian and Eldrazi of course
Jace and Tamio know the most of any living being about Emrakul... which is still basically nothing. Jace realized he was not even close to understanding Emrakul when they "talked", and Tamio was like "yeah, I didn't do shit, that was all Emrakul". The most intel they can give is "we think she is, maybe, 'trapped' in the moon. How, why, don't know."
Personally I think that, since the Eldrazi are kinda like Lovecraftean gods, Emrakul would probably not be able to be compleated, and if she were I think she’s more likely to become a Dominus or even the Colorless Preator potentially being able to warp the thoughts and minds of the other phyrexians without even trying or meaning to
I think you have it backwards, Emrakul would corrupt the Phyrexians long before they would be able to figure out how to complete her. Even if they did complete Emrakul I think that it would have a reverse effect. I don't Emrakul would be assimilated into Phyrexia. I think Phyrexia would assimilated into the Eldrazi.
Phyresis (compleation) is not colorless. It’s a naturally black mana process. However, it spread to the other colors because of how Argentum was built.
We have 3 big bads waiting in the wings. We either have Bolas escape and try to control Emrakul or Phyrexia, Emrakul finds a way into the meditation realm and takes over Bolas by offering him his old powers or alters Phyrexia to madness, or we have Phyrexia manage to find an Eldrazi or Bolas and use them to escape.
Whoever is left out, ends up being an 'enemy of my enemy' situation. Eldrazi + Phyrexia ends up with Bolas getting released as a hail mary where he says his vengeance will come after the threats defeated. Or Phyrexia will be unleashed if it's the Eldrazi and Bolas and be a trump card against the swarm of drones/mana eating. Or Emrakul says "now the time is right" and unleashes herself to devour Phyrexia+Bolas.
I feel like because emrakul is essentially a puppet, she may have died to the creator. I also think emrakul could probably reverse the effects of the oil and new phyrexia would do as emrakul commands. but as we are theorizing, no one is wrong here.
I think you have this backwards
More theory crafting. Presumably Emrakul is ancient and so is Phyrexia and Phyrexian oil. Emrakul is also basically the Titan of Corruption. What if her influence or she herself was the original source of Phyrexian Oil? Or what if she's already been corrupted by devouring a Phyrexian Plane millennia ago? Like she is the One.
What if Illuna became a Planeswalker? Cant wait for that video
I enjoy these videos so much!!!
Hmm… I think Emrakul to some extent would be incorruptible. That being said, Norn would attempt to compleat it. However, being that Emrakul caused great pain to the minds of those that could not comprehend her, even took Jace a second time to be able to understand Emrakul, the beacon of her message would distort the minds of the Phyrexians, maybe even to warp them to believe that Emrakul IS the One. With the Phyrexians spread out across multiple planes as the Madness of Emrakul spread it would consume and warp exponentially more than Emrakul visiting a single plane, feeding mana back to Emrakul - thus may even warp Emrakul into a World Anew.
I would have said that Compleation is tied to the Black mana, as it was created by Yawgmoth to an extent, and all the cards that give Infect bar Corrupted Concience are Black.
Phyresis, Glistening Oil and Tainted Strike are the main ones that come to mind.
This really hinges on if the titans are fully on the plane or are simply using an Avatar to manafest part of their power.
My thought is individually, Kozi wouldn't be turned because of his distortion simply negating the oil like the monsters on Ikoria evolving fast enough to be immune.
Ulamog would fall 100%
Emrakrul would fall when faced by an army of drones but as we seen with Ashiok, if against Elesh Norn herself it could go the other way.
Now, my 'ideal' story would be Avatars that got corrupted and went on to challenge the OG's
Imagine, Ugin trying to convince the gatewatch to fight alongside the Titans.
One hypothetical video on Slivers would be awesome!!!
You have mentioned this on the previous video on Eldrazi as well and I haven't actually read the story but did the writers specifically say tha t the gatewatch pull the full titans from the blind eternities before killing them or did they just kill the physical manifestations in the planes?
Loved this! In truth I feel both sides would influence each other, whipping the Compleation process into something either more profound or quicker - as Eldrazi warping could prime targets to go through that process. The Eldrazi Titans are furthermore interesting, especially Emrakul, in that they could have well served the role that the Realmbreaker had - with Emrakul's true body in the space between the Planes being the connective tissue that would allow Phyrexians to go to other realms to make perfect.
I would love to see more what ifs! Maybe not the inverse as Eldrazi-warped Phyrexians probably don't gain as much narratively.
I love this video and I hope you make more! Maybe what if Mishra won the Brothers War?
Wouldnt be suprised if thier was some sort of time anomaly around her rn just like teferi and think that she possibly is much more active in a presence right now than what we can see while she goes across time now and is probably much bigger threat in that way spreading her influence across time rather than a single instance of her invading with her physical body
If I remember correctly they do kinda have alternate timelines exemplifyed by Crovax, Ascendant Hero
This is a horrifying what if... It brought chill down my spine. Thinking about a Eldrazi titan being completed is.. is a work of art that I have no word to describe it. You are right the Gatewatch, Ugin, and the multiverse wouldn't stand a chance against this monstrosity. I wish it was a card in the storyline because I believe this card would have been broken to the point it would be banned in commander and standard less than a second, now I want this to be real. Magic the gathering owe us for cutting this arc so short.
Emrakul couldn't be compleated, though. She'd simply drain whatever mana was used to compleat her.
@@ninjanyan1579 She could.
@@randomrants148The eldrazi titans are just on another level. Ashioc messed with the mind of elesh norn, just imagine what emrakul, the titan of mental domination could do. It would most certainly end up the other way around.
@@ninjanyan1579 it could happen either way if they plan it right.
I like this type of video and would like if you did more.
We still don't know what mission Jace was sent on. Maybe he was sent to Innistrad to find a way to Compleat Emrakul.
Did the titans on Zendakar truly die? I know the gatewatch tried to pull them onto the plane, but did they succeed? Or did they just cut off a limb? Since the avatars we see on a plan is just a limb, how big is a titan? Can they feed on multiple plans at once?
To be fair, whoever won between phyrexia/elesh norn and emrakul all depends on who gets a head start. This scenario in the video goes one way, but what if the opposite was true, emrakul breaks free and returns to innistrad and mutates innistrad to her, itd be a very different story
Just the thought of eldrazi's being completed and having phyrexian mana costs is terrifying. Turn one pay 30 life to drop a compleated Emrakul 😬😬
I honestly think if this had happened and they tried to conpleat her, we would learn a new way the eldrazi function, like ahe excises the infection or turns it back on the phyrexians and instead takes kver the hive mond because her being is so much stronger
I just listen to your Emrakul video yesterday at work and wonder if she could be phyrexianized and the this video just popped into my feed. 😅
Emrakul shows up on New Phyrexia: "Oh, new things play.. with.. eww.. this looks gross. This won't do, I'll have to.. Hey, don't touch me, I don't know where you've been!"
If the eldrazi is described as someone reaching their hand into a pond then wouldn’t the same concept of the whisperings and blights of insects have no effect. As the titans are just mere avatars to their true form
I think the idea of emrakul awaiting completion could have been a much grander and logical way for phyrexian to be defeated. I believe it was the simple death of norn that brought them down(not super familiar with the march of the machine lore so let me know if that is wrong). But if emrakul awaited the completion and was somehow a rogue phyrexian that strove to destroy phyrexia. Maybe she didn’t want to be eating phyrexianized planes or something of the nature. But her mind manipulation as a rogue Phyrexian could overtake the hive mind and teleport it into the blind eternities.