Try desaturating and inverting the colors. That's basically what you paid for. A plug-in that takes advantage of features already present in GIMP. If you need to further adjust the levels use the color tool menu. It offers a lot more control over the end product. Play with the gama level. Look through the filters. You'll wonder why you paid for the shortcut...
I think using hot glue to glue your tiles down together on a sheet of 1/4" plywood in the pattern you want the image to be would be way easier then having to split apart the image before lazering, it would also eliminate the white border it's going to leave.
1.hey i have a 150w co2 laser what power settings would you recommend? 2. Does this particular technique also work on say a black tile rather than a white one
Thank you very much for sharing your information with us regarding working with the device. I have not yet bought a device and I am really debating the issue. I have to purchase one and the way you pass the information only encourages me to replace the product I wanted to purchase with a device like the one you are working with. Thanks again for sharing.
Is it possible to get the list of software you work with? And which one is free and which one should pay for them? You explain beautifully and clearly and how you make it look easy Is it really as easy as you show on UA-cam?
Excellent...what is your methodology to centre tile...so that all have same starting point...myself I use centre for job origin..I have a tile that has the centre marked..two diagonal lines Crosshair..and a small jig to hold tiles in exact spot
Thanks for all the info. It helps seeing these videos, At least gives us a good starting point for those of us that don’t have a clue. Lol thanks for sharing.
Awesome Job man, I do have a question about your Josey Wales 6 tile picture. The very bottom center tile looked washed out? What does that? I get a lot of those like that and cant figure out why. Great job.
I painted the tiles wirh two light coats, and colors weren't engraving dark after they were already. So I went to add another layer on my tiles and they bubbled up in minutes after I repainted them? What could cause that?
Love your stuff. You said to ask questions and here is mine. I have some old windows I would like to engrave wildlife seens on. How would I use the big gimping plug in for that or what do I do
Hey! Thanks much! I would do some experimentation and pull in the wildlife files into Image R and do a bit of testing on some scrap wood. There are some settings you can tweak to the get the best results. Best is Image R is free and very similar to GIMP. www.imag-r.com/
Eastwood is so cool!! I’m having problems getting a dark image following your white paint instructions. I’m using the same machine as yours, ORTUR Lasermaster2, 15w. I started with some simple text, ran at 50 in/min and 100% power. My line spacing is .004” (264 dpi). It seems to be burning thru the paint and thru the tile glaze. The letters came out light grey color. Am I burning too much power? Does paint need to be thicker? Any help would help. Thanks in advance.
.009” line interval = 111 dpi. Does that sound correct? I saw you are using mm and I’m using in, but I did the mathematical equivalent and originally started with your preferred .11mm and converted that to .004”.
I saw your video awesome job by the way..& I would like to purchase but am so confused about which laser would be best to get to accomplish the same results . Any help would be appreciated...could I ask which laser you used for this video..7w,15w or 20w? Thankyou
This is awesome, I was hoping to buy one of these and make some presents for coworkers. Is it possible to do a mug and what would I do to do so. Thanks again for awesome videos.
Question, Is it posible to do a multi color image? Set every color in a different layer. Or would the laser burn trough Al the layers? My theory is, if it's only burning the black on the first pas it would burn the second color on the second pas and so on. Would take a lot of time to set the image up. But maybe it pays of for bulk sales?
Hi there I've watched your video over and over for a whole month . I purchased the plugin I purchased lightburn every image that I do once I placed it into lightburn it comes out dark when I preview it on lightburn the image comes out dark. I don't know what am I doing wrong I need your help. please help me🙏.wait for reply. Thank you for your time.
Wonder if this can be done in multi colors....i have seen 2 colors like the black and green but never anything more like if you wanna do for example a moose with a background of trees or something where you get green leaves the brown and black moose the dark cream antlers...the grey rocks...the white and silver of the paper birch? If it could do something like that I would be all in...do an entire shower with those types of tiles...
Thanks your video is great, i dont have that software but i uses the grbl one that came with the machine, do you have any suggestion regarding the line direction, is horizontal, vertical or diagonal, which one you think is better for engraving pictures like family one
Maybe you can help. I just got a Lasermaster 2 20 W. It worked great and was just getting productive, then ran into a snag. When I turn the machine on and try to link it to Lightburn, the program can't connect. The lights are on in the laser and it homes itself but will not connect. I'm still waiting to hear from Gearbest. Any ideas?? Steve
Problem solved with connecting. I had a problem painting the tiles. I first used white with two modest coats and left the tiles overnight. When I put on a colored coat (blue) the paint seemed to dissolve the first coat. Tried several tiles with the same problem. Do you think the colored coat was too thick? Steve
Strange question I suppose ... have you had some of these used as proper tiles, have you considered adjusting the image to allow for the grouting gap between the tiles? Or are people happy without the compensation? Thanks for assisting those of us new to the idea.
I’m new to all of the laser engraving/burning. I have an xcarve that I’m fairly use to using but was wanting to expand to laser burning as well. Would the methods in these videos also work with a 7 watt jtech laser setup on the xcarve? Thanks for the videos bye, there are amazing.
Yep! I don't see why not! You are only burning off a thin layer of paint, so wattage on the laser can pretty much be anything. I have seen great work with a 7w laser. It's definitely worth some testing!
That's a great question! I have been using Da Big Gimpin plug in for a while and it suits my needs, but ImagR is a great free alternative! I could go for it! Do some testing!
I am trying to understand what is the mechanism behind all of this: In this video instance, where the white tile is painted with green, then black. The laser seems to burn off the black exposing the green. Am I correct? In the instance where a white tile is painted with white paint, is it that the laser turns the white paint to black? Will "enamel" spray paint work?
You're close... The first technique uses low power to burn just the top layer of paint off. You can achieve all kinds of crazy techniques with different coats and colors of paints. The white tile painted white is a different animal. It uses a high power to actually burn the paint in such a way that it actually burns the image into the tile indelibly
Hi I love your youtube channel But need some help How do I Get the ( Da Big gimping Plug-in ) I have download and Unzip on my computer, II need it in the Gimp.org program. Thank you Steven T
Another great video! Quick question when I follow your steps even with the same image when I get to the final stage in Lightburn to set my interval to .11 my resolution goes to 9 DPI and the laser burn time goes to like 7 minutes a 4by4 tile. What I'm I doing wrong. Thanks in advance for any help guys. Great ideas
Great videos, just got the 20W version of the Ortur laser. What kind of fumes are created when burring these tiles. Will a solder fume extractor be sufficient?
Love your videos! I have a question! I'm going to buy the ortur master 2 and was wondering if you could give me some info on what type of computer I would need to run the laser with light burn and the software it comes with?
That's a great question Paul. I have used the DaBigGimpin plug in for a while and I really like it. Some folks are on a budget and it may be something that they cannot afford. I wanted to provide an alternative for those folks that didn't have the disposable $$ at the moment.
I didnt know there was something else out there. Oh well I spent to money, not a big expense on my part but like you said there are others cant spend extra money on a hobby.
@@pmiller4421 Yep! I just found out about ImagR this past week. Thought it was a good alternative. Glad to see desktop lasers getting some love. There are so many possibilities with these versatile machines. So many things to learn and make!
Thank you so much for your videos. Great production quality. Was wondering what the legalities of using the images is. I know we are technically editing them so they aren't the original files. Just wondering thank you!
How do you know where to place each tile so it's done right when burning? Got it, saw the frame option on your other vid. Thx. Appreciate the shared knowledge!
What I do when I wanted to burn only a single tile: 1. Place a 1/4-inch-thick plywood on the laser. 2. Create a 4-inch (100mm) square. 3. Tell LightBurn to center the square (step 2) on the center of the work area. 4. Engrave the square into the plywood. When you want to burn a tile: 1. Bring the image into LightBurn. 2. Tell LightBurn to center the image on the work surface. 3. Place the plywood back onto the laser. 4. Align the tile with the square. 5. Burn
Unlike the massively overpriced Photoshop, Gimp is free and someone spent a lot of time creating the plugin, spend the 30 bucks..If you end up selling product you'll make that money back in no time.
HI. Thank you so much for the great videos, I learned a lot from them, and even created some wonderful tiles. But ... I had a problem with the finish. When I paint a layer of glossy transparent paint on the tile, after a few minutes cracks are made. I only use "Rust Oium" paints.
Did you clean the tile very, very good before the initial layer of paint? Did you allow the preceding coat of paint to totally dry before applying the next coat? Are the different colors (brands) compatible with each other?
You've likely gotten an answer by now (I HOPE) but i recommend getting the "Norton tile test" file (Edge of tech has links to them in his tile videos) and simply finding out what works for YOUR laser and YOUR tiles.
I have a question how do you get da big gimping plugin to show up on the top taskbar mine show only in the drop downs menus plus i dont get that resolution/settings window not sure whats up i got it from your link ???
Hi I know this isn’t the video for this but I need the help lol I’m new to the 3d printing world and I’m having problems with the files i have the photon printer and I found out you have to slice it to .photon so I did that but my next obstacle is now the printer is freezing when my files come up. Do you know what could help?
Man this is awesome! I do have a question though. My diode laser died a good while back and I've had a glowforge now for quite some time. I've NOT messed with painting tiles, then engraving, I've simply engraved on the tile THEN colored the engraved area(s). Could this same process work on a Glowforge? I'm assuming I would just need to run the gimp plugin (which I'm going to start using gimp as I already use Inkscape) and then turn my power WAY down on the GF?
Try desaturating and inverting the colors. That's basically what you paid for. A plug-in that takes advantage of features already present in GIMP. If you need to further adjust the levels use the color tool menu. It offers a lot more control over the end product. Play with the gama level. Look through the filters. You'll wonder why you paid for the shortcut...
How long does it typically take to engrave one of these?
I think using hot glue to glue your tiles down together on a sheet of 1/4" plywood in the pattern you want the image to be would be way easier then having to split apart the image before lazering, it would also eliminate the white border it's going to leave.
1.hey i have a 150w co2 laser what power settings would you recommend?
2. Does this particular technique also work on say a black tile rather than a white one
Thank you so much. I bought a laser engraver because of you. Thank you
Very nice! Love that you showed a couple of different approaches and alternative tools with examples.
Thank you very much for sharing your information with us regarding working with the device.
I have not yet bought a device and I am really debating the issue.
I have to purchase one and the way you pass the information only encourages me to replace the product I wanted to purchase with a device like the one you are working with.
Thanks again for sharing.
fantasic, if you just want a black design on white tile do i still need to paint?
In your first tile video for the Hulk you set power at 10%, why 20% this time?
i found you because of the resin 3d printing and got one. Now im going to have to get one of these because of you....thaaaaanks
Hi great video gave me lots of new ideas I just bought a ortur master 2 pro, do you now what is the best safty glasses for that machine.
That's a great Clint impression! Genuinely made me laugh LOL
This is cool! You can create a panel of comics on tiles!! for a room design
Is it possible to get the list of software you work with?
And which one is free and which one should pay for them?
You explain beautifully and clearly and how you make it look easy Is it really as easy as you show on UA-cam?
Love the intro! Subscribed!
Excellent...what is your methodology to centre tile...so that all have same starting point...myself I use centre for job origin..I have a tile that has the centre marked..two diagonal lines Crosshair..and a small jig to hold tiles in exact spot
Thanks for all the info. It helps seeing these videos, At least gives us a good starting point for those of us that don’t have a clue. Lol thanks for sharing.
Hi friend, but... the laser work at S1200 and power 20% on ceramic? thank you
Awesome Job man, I do have a question about your Josey Wales 6 tile picture. The very bottom center tile looked washed out? What does that? I get a lot of those like that and cant figure out why.
Great job.
great intro :-)..... Very nice video, thank you for sharing. The safety glasses you use... do the fit over presciption glasses ?
Yep! There are some great laser goggles that fit well over prescriptions glasses. The ones I use work well!
must the paint to be used be solvent-based? does not work with acrylic or water spray paints?
When you burned the client eastwood did you paint those tiles first?
good video the two programs you are using can i aks if they will work with the anycubic pro laser
i love the intro, it shows you really put some thought to your projects. thank you keep them comming.
I painted the tiles wirh two light coats, and colors weren't engraving dark after they were already. So I went to add another layer on my tiles and they bubbled up in minutes after I repainted them? What could cause that?
Love your stuff. You said to ask questions and here is mine. I have some old windows I would like to engrave wildlife seens on. How would I use the big gimping plug in for that or what do I do
Hey! Thanks much! I would do some experimentation and pull in the wildlife files into Image R and do a bit of testing on some scrap wood. There are some settings you can tweak to the get the best results. Best is Image R is free and very similar to GIMP. www.imag-r.com/
@@3DPrintFarm i have windows from my 1888 home with wavy glass. I wonder if they will be a different than glass now. Thanks again
if I buy a 15w master 2 now can I upgrade to the 20w by just buying the laser later at a 100.00 plus whatever price maybe
After some time and you have experience with laser devices, which device do you recommend?
Hi could you please advise the method of prepping the tiles for burning?
Any reason you didn't use a 16x16 inch tile for this rather than the four 4x4s?
Great video with some great info! Is it possible to use octagon shape tiles in Rasterbator?
Thanks good job.very entertaining. And I'm schooled today.good bless
Hi, I was reading that the 20W is too powerful and result a bad grayscale : if possible I was asking your opinion.
How would you do this same thing ín Inkscape with K40 Whisperer software usinng the K40 laser machine. You are a great motivator. Thanks.
So if you use the Image-r Do you enable the pass thru? How do you determine the line interval on black tile. I have a 20 W Neje.
Eastwood is so cool!! I’m having problems getting a dark image following your white paint instructions. I’m using the same machine as yours, ORTUR Lasermaster2, 15w. I started with some simple text, ran at 50 in/min and 100% power. My line spacing is .004” (264 dpi). It seems to be burning thru the paint and thru the tile glaze. The letters came out light grey color. Am I burning too much power? Does paint need to be thicker? Any help would help. Thanks in advance.
You may want to adjust your line interval down a bit. Something in the .090 to .011 range. See if that helps.
Thanks. You say step DOWN from my .004” to .090/.011. Do I understand that you mean step UP to .009/.011” (not .090)?
.009” line interval = 111 dpi. Does that sound correct? I saw you are using mm and I’m using in, but I did the mathematical equivalent and originally started with your preferred .11mm and converted that to .004”.
@@chrisyoung3780 My apologies. I meant 0.090 which would be 282 lines per inch. or 0.11 which would equate to 230.91..
What does the paid plugin actually do?
I'm planning on selling a custom wood plaque on Etsy and could be make 1-200 pieces per day. What kind of laser do you recommend?
Awesome, That was classic Eastwood, you are the man.
I saw your video awesome job by the way..& I would like to purchase but am so confused about which laser would be best to get to accomplish the same results . Any help would be appreciated...could I ask which laser you used for this video..7w,15w or 20w?
Thankyou
thk you for video , can the laserburned tile used for outside areas ?
LOVE me some Clint Eastwood!! That's awesome!
This is awesome, I was hoping to buy one of these and make some presents for coworkers. Is it possible to do a mug and what would I do to do so. Thanks again for awesome videos.
Excellent video....keep it up
Question,
Is it posible to do a multi color image?
Set every color in a different layer.
Or would the laser burn trough Al the layers?
My theory is, if it's only burning the black on the first pas it would burn the second color on the second pas and so on.
Would take a lot of time to set the image up.
But maybe it pays of for bulk sales?
Hi there I've watched your video over and over for a whole month . I purchased the plugin I purchased lightburn every image that I do once I placed it into lightburn it comes out dark when I preview it on lightburn the image comes out dark. I don't know what am I doing wrong I need your help. please help me🙏.wait for reply. Thank you for your time.
Cool project, I’ll give it a burn this weekend😎. Loved the edit as well!
How long does it take you to burn your tiles
Wonder if this can be done in multi colors....i have seen 2 colors like the black and green but never anything more like if you wanna do for example a moose with a background of trees or something where you get green leaves the brown and black moose the dark cream antlers...the grey rocks...the white and silver of the paper birch?
If it could do something like that I would be all in...do an entire shower with those types of tiles...
Thanks your video is great, i dont have that software but i uses the grbl one that came with the machine, do you have any suggestion regarding the line direction, is horizontal, vertical or diagonal, which one you think is better for engraving pictures like family one
Which version of light Burns software do you use for the laser master 2
Love your videos a lot , just got myself the same laser, could you recommend a laptop that’s affordable to start laser engraving projects
Nicely done. Do you feel that there's a difference in resolution using the plugin vs imag-r?
Frankly, from my testing it's very close to being the same.
Maybe you can help. I just got a Lasermaster 2 20 W. It worked great and was just getting productive, then ran into a snag. When I turn the machine on and try to link it to Lightburn, the program can't connect. The lights are on in the laser and it homes itself but will not connect. I'm still waiting to hear from Gearbest. Any ideas?? Steve
wouldnt it be easier to put the tiles together and engrave hte image all at one?
How do you scale how much to charge when you are selling your material
Great video thanks!
Question: how do you determine what interval we should use on our machine? Is there another video that explains that?
How long did it take you per tile?
When done with do you strip the paint off or just clear coat it?
Problem solved with connecting. I had a problem painting the tiles. I first used white with two modest coats and left the tiles overnight. When I put on a colored coat (blue) the paint seemed to dissolve the first coat. Tried several tiles with the same problem. Do you think the colored coat was too thick? Steve
Strange question I suppose ... have you had some of these used as proper tiles, have you considered adjusting the image to allow for the grouting gap between the tiles? Or are people happy without the compensation? Thanks for assisting those of us new to the idea.
How did you get the colors you have here???
I’m new to all of the laser engraving/burning. I have an xcarve that I’m fairly use to using but was wanting to expand to laser burning as well. Would the methods in these videos also work with a 7 watt jtech laser setup on the xcarve? Thanks for the videos bye, there are amazing.
Yep! I don't see why not! You are only burning off a thin layer of paint, so wattage on the laser can pretty much be anything. I have seen great work with a 7w laser. It's definitely worth some testing!
Great idea ! Question : What is the difference between the Big Gimpin Plugin and ImagR ? Why should i buy the plugin for not really cheap 30 bucks ?
That's a great question! I have been using Da Big Gimpin plug in for a while and it suits my needs, but ImagR is a great free alternative! I could go for it! Do some testing!
@@3DPrintFarm definitively
Great video glad I found it subscribed!
Thank you so much for the ideas!! You have opened my eyes my man! Subbed and liked thanks for the tips n tricks!!
I am trying to understand what is the mechanism behind all of this: In this video instance, where the white tile is painted with green, then black. The laser seems to burn off the black exposing the green. Am I correct?
In the instance where a white tile is painted with white paint, is it that the laser turns the white paint to black?
Will "enamel" spray paint work?
You're close... The first technique uses low power to burn just the top layer of paint off. You can achieve all kinds of crazy techniques with different coats and colors of paints. The white tile painted white is a different animal. It uses a high power to actually burn the paint in such a way that it actually burns the image into the tile indelibly
@@3DPrintFarm so in the second case, can a 4w diode be used?
Hi I love your youtube channel But need some help How do I Get the ( Da Big gimping Plug-in ) I have download and
Unzip on my computer, II need it in the Gimp.org program. Thank you Steven T
Another great video! Quick question when I follow your steps even with the same image when I get to the final stage in Lightburn to set my interval to .11 my resolution goes to 9 DPI and the laser burn time goes to like 7 minutes a 4by4 tile. What I'm I doing wrong. Thanks in advance for any help guys. Great ideas
Great videos, just got the 20W version of the Ortur laser. What kind of fumes are created when burring these tiles. Will a solder fume extractor be sufficient?
Not as much as you would think. You are burning paint, however. I would imagine a solder fume extractor would help. Proper ventilation is ideal.
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I just subscribed found your videos today im very interested in a desk top laser Thank you for the vids.
How do you get glimp?
What is the best laptop for use with the ortur laser
What's the website on 22:30??
do you think this would work with a co2 laser?
Yes, this will work with a co2 laser, but you'll need to reduce your power and burn times.
Run some tests to find your best settings.
man, this is the first video i've seen of yours and at first i thought you where the singer fish from marillion 😃
Would this work on Anodized Aluminum?
How long did it take to burn the 4 tiles?
For Mr. Munster, Total was about 3.5 hours. Pretty much set it, fire it off and leave it. Come back, swap the tiles out and repeat.
can this be done with the k40 laser ( co2 laser )
Can you do this with a co2 laser? I mean I have painted white tiles black and lasered with my 60 watt co2 laser but never tried white on white.
Yes, I just tried for the fisrt time with my yellow 60watt laser. Used 60mm sec @ 17 power. Lite coat of gloss white paint.
how long does it take to burn one tile ?
Can you show us out to do it on canvas and Also can you show multicoloured tiles I think like 5 colour but sill unsure as no video to how
Nice mix, Outlaw Josie Wales meets Dirty Harry... :D
Love your videos! I have a question! I'm going to buy the ortur master 2 and was wondering if you could give me some info on what type of computer I would need to run the laser with light burn and the software it comes with?
Get a windows laptop
Great idea. I'm sure there are some folks that would use those for a custom bathroom look. 😂
I'm having trouble opening an image with more than 4 tiles...at times I can't even open the 3rd tile let alone #7
I watch entire videos, at the end... does promoting IMAG-R take away from DaBigGimpin Tool??
That's a great question Paul. I have used the DaBigGimpin plug in for a while and I really like it. Some folks are on a budget and it may be something that they cannot afford. I wanted to provide an alternative for those folks that didn't have the disposable $$ at the moment.
I didnt know there was something else out there. Oh well I spent to money, not a big expense on my part but like you said there are others cant spend extra money on a hobby.
@@pmiller4421 Yep! I just found out about ImagR this past week. Thought it was a good alternative. Glad to see desktop lasers getting some love. There are so many possibilities with these versatile machines. So many things to learn and make!
Thank you so much for your videos. Great production quality. Was wondering what the legalities of using the images is. I know we are technically editing them so they aren't the original files. Just wondering thank you!
How do you know where to place each tile so it's done right when burning? Got it, saw the frame option on your other vid. Thx. Appreciate the shared knowledge!
What I do when I wanted to burn only a single tile: 1. Place a 1/4-inch-thick plywood on the laser. 2. Create a 4-inch (100mm) square. 3. Tell LightBurn to center the square (step 2) on the center of the work area. 4. Engrave the square into the plywood.
When you want to burn a tile: 1. Bring the image into LightBurn. 2. Tell LightBurn to center the image on the work surface. 3. Place the plywood back onto the laser. 4. Align the tile with the square. 5. Burn
I had to give a thumbs up when the statement "I happen to have in my hand right now" came up.
Is there anywhere where i can get 'da big gimping plugin' anywhere for free??
Unlike the massively overpriced Photoshop, Gimp is free and someone spent a lot of time creating the plugin, spend the 30 bucks..If you end up selling product you'll make that money back in no time.
HI. Thank you so much for the great videos, I learned a lot from them, and even created some wonderful tiles.
But ... I had a problem with the finish. When I paint a layer of glossy transparent paint on the tile, after a few minutes cracks are made. I only use "Rust Oium" paints.
Did you clean the tile very, very good before the initial layer of paint?
Did you allow the preceding coat of paint to totally dry before applying the next coat?
Are the different colors (brands) compatible with each other?
hi love watching the tile videos im having a problem in imag-r everytime i resize it changes it as im going to save what am i doing wrong many thanks
hi did you get my message can't seem to resize every pic
May I ask you what value you have set in lightburn for PWM value. I have a ortur master 2 20w and am curious on this setting. Thanks Jim
You've likely gotten an answer by now (I HOPE) but i recommend getting the "Norton tile test" file (Edge of tech has links to them in his tile videos) and simply finding out what works for YOUR laser and YOUR tiles.
While it work with a 15w lm2
Will it work with a lm2 15w
Had an issue with rasterbator. When I tried to upload the pics to light burn I was only able to get 2 out of the 14 tiles images.
I have a question how do you get da big gimping plugin to show up on the top taskbar mine show only in the drop downs menus plus i dont get that resolution/settings window not sure whats up i got it from your link ???
Got it just had to reinstall gimp great plugin btw works great now 👍
Hi I know this isn’t the video for this but I need the help lol I’m new to the 3d printing world and I’m having problems with the files i have the photon printer and I found out you have to slice it to .photon so I did that but my next obstacle is now the printer is freezing when my files come up. Do you know what could help?
A photon facebook group should be able to help you out.
Man this is awesome! I do have a question though. My diode laser died a good while back and I've had a glowforge now for quite some time. I've NOT messed with painting tiles, then engraving, I've simply engraved on the tile THEN colored the engraved area(s). Could this same process work on a Glowforge? I'm assuming I would just need to run the gimp plugin (which I'm going to start using gimp as I already use Inkscape) and then turn my power WAY down on the GF?
You should be able to. The wavelength of the lasers may be different which might require different brands / color of paint.
Loved the intro!!!!!