Once a habitat is ruined by toxic spills, it can never be fully restored. Sure you can bring it back a little bit, but it will never be as it was before the spill. One spill in almost 2.2 years is devastating to the habitat and people it affects.
If the pipeline needs to be replaced, replace it. Move it out of the lake. Route it entirely through Canada and Michigan, Ohio and the others can get their own oil.
I'm a conservative, and I support oil, but I do not want that thing opening up in my steelhead water. Keep it out of the great lakes. And I live In kzoo, that river was already fucked, but it was getting better. The lines are just cheaper, period, keep them out of water.
@Stick 'o Butter If this video makes you angry, THEN CALL MICHIGAN'S STUPID GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL and tell them to QUIT TRYING TO STOP THE GREAT LAKES TUNNEL PROJECT which will remove the line 5 pipeline OUT of the GREAT LAKES forever and house it inside a concrete tunnel 100' below the bottom of the Straits. The current pipeline is a ticking time bomb, that's why Enbridge WANTS to put a new one in a tunnel but Gretchen and Dana would rather have a oil spill (JUST LIKE THEIR MIDLAND DAM FAILURE) because they are doing everything they can to stop it. Call their incompetence out immediately if you ACTUALLY care about the Great Lakes
People are not going to dumb down their lifestyle. You want to travel you want to buy stuff on amazon. They re not going to stop sending oil rail cars, ships are going to cause pollution. We will never get off of oil
It's hard to trust a company that has had around 30 spills across line 5... I mean listen to the Enbridge employee say that line 5 under the straits is like new 65 years later which is why it has never had a spill and then brush off the other spills by saying the pipeline is 65 years old. What is it then? Is the pipeline too old or is it good?
Everyone needs to try living without NG or Oil. How would people heat their homes? wood? These people have no problem driving cars, flying, wearing clothes and using products made from oil by products. Yes there will be accidents, as there is with all new technology. We learn and move on.That's progress.
@@Tony-xy7lj We need to work smarter not harder. I have an aquaponics system in my greenhouse. Catfish, tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, beans, cucumbers all in a 10x12 greenhouse. People use to have a victory garden in their backyards but big agriculture doesn't want you to grow your own food. They want you dependant on them. The Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of rocks. BTW, the oil companies don't care about or anyone else. Just profit.
'COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGIST' FOR AN OFFENDING OIL CORPORATION WHICH IGNORED 5 YEARS OF PIPELINE CRACKS AND LEFT A MAJOR, 6 FT, CRACK SPEW AT FULL FORCE FOR 17 HOURS: WHAT KIND OF REPROBATE TAKES THIS JOB AND THEN TOUTS THE COMPANY'S HANDLING OF THE MAJOR SPILL!??!
I think this pipeline is like a break line in your car. The outside is rotting away and the inside is protected by the oil, so the pipe gets thinner and thinner until you are pumping millions of gal.s a day through a tinfoil pipe, and I mean Tinfoil ! In other countries people get put in jail for spills like this....But not in the Great USA.
As a certified application coating specialist there is not such thing as a coating that prevents corrosion unless you delete natural accruing elements in which you cannot.. paint jobs typically last 20 years .. yes there are federal and state standards that based on history and studies how too apply paints too slow corrosion but there is no such thing as stopping it hint why an industrial painter has a job for a life time ... I can only hope that greed by a billion dollar company when not if a leak does spring that federal prosecution is swift and harsh for destroying the beauty great lakes .. most enbridge paint applicators are labors untrained and not certified by the state standards CAS too even apply coating and yet most inspectors for enbrigde for paint application don't even get out of there trucks too inspect the applicator is doing there job correctly . I know from experience.. it may create job it may help transport natural resources quicker but is it safer for our natural environment in which people depend on when jobs are preformed incorrectly ? Yes you can sue can give prison time but in the end the damage is done best advise is too not do it period
"scare people around the great lakes' THEY SHOULD BE SCARED!!!! ENBIRDGE HAS SPILLED ONCE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN! Trying to prevent a disaster is NOT being scared, its being proactive and protective!!!!! Currently doing a project on line 3 replacement project and it just makes me sick of all the money put above people and nature.
This pipeline delivers 22.68 million gallons of oil per day. A transport truck holds 8000 gallons of oil so it would take 2835 trucks per day to deliver the same amount of oil. That many trucks would have even more serious environmental consequences. This is not about environmental concerns. This is about activists who don't like us using oil and attempting to shut it down at any cost. Complete disregard to environment and economic concerns. The easy fix here is to use third party inspectors to insure the proper maintenance of the line. When my furnace is not running properly I don't just shut it off. That would be stupid. I have it fixed.
I’m all for conserving our lakes. I love our lakes. But the other side of shutting it down is who’s Whitmer proposing as an alternative energy source? The repercussions of this energy would kill fuel sources for the region. Hopefully an amicable agreement can be had
The alternative should be easily obtained at this point with the amount of coal fired power generation plants that have been closed down within the last decade, rail should be an option, I would think, as the lines are not nearly as busy with coal trains. But hey, when your a ceo who just wants to ride the wave of cash flow for a few years before handing the prob off to the next guy- and keep doing this as a company decade after decade instead of investing capital into your infrastructure on your watch to accommodate better decision making in your industry that obviously affects large populations of people- why change right? 🤙 cowabunga dude 💣
Anyone who calls gas and oil immoral needs to immediately stop driving cars, using plastics, or heating their homes. Anything less makes you a hypocrite.
Gotta love the Embridge Yes man! Just keep saying what you’re paid to say buddy! Wait till a disaster affects you! Will you still be the loyal lap dog?!?!
I want this pipeline shut down for good due to the fact of Enbridge are liars and not provide information to the public and the state of Michigan. Have them build the pipeline in the province of Ontario and let them face the problem of Enbridge, not us.
The state of Michigan pet should pay attention to their government and what their government is doing sending all kinds of trash over here from Canada and Ohio
@Jason Alexander If this video makes you angry, THEN CALL MICHIGAN'S STUPID GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL and tell them to QUIT TRYING TO STOP THE GREAT LAKES TUNNEL PROJECT which will remove the line 5 pipeline OUT of the GREAT LAKES forever and house it inside a concrete tunnel 100' below the bottom of the Straits. The current pipeline is a ticking time bomb, that's why Enbridge WANTS to put a new one in a tunnel but Gretchen and Dana would rather have a oil spill (JUST LIKE THEIR MIDLAND DAM FAILURE) because they are doing everything they can to stop it. Call their incompetence out immediately if you really care
Compromise. Keep the natural gas liquid that Michigan uses and shut down the oil that Canada short cuts through Michigan and have them put a pipeline back in Canada.
Buy and hold this income growth machine for life. All industries need oil and natural gas to survive. The world population will always be growing and consuming. Enb is an oligopoly moat with long term secured contracts for 20 to 25 years. Your kids education money is here !
A tunnel under Mackinaw would solve the safety risks of the existing pipeline. But Democrats have stonewalled those plans because they’re activists who would rather see the pipeline shut down entirely. And in so doing they allow the existing pipeline to continue to function rather than have us move forward on a safer replacement. If the existing pipeline breaks for any reason, blame the environmental activists like Gretchen Whitmer who stonewalled the tunnel replacement from moving forward. Environmental activism is more important than dealing pragmatically with existing infrastructure 😡
If the Michigan state police try and come up here and shut the valves they will be shot by the RCMP. Look at flint... and detoilets crack mayor. What power do you really have 🤣🤣
So the discussion uses words like "Tar sands", and juxtaposes a very unfortunate spill that was a tragedy and was cleaned up. Enbridge apparently took responsibility for it and cleaned things up. The current line 5 has been in place since the 50s with not a single problem. It COULD possibly have a problem...but what about the very real shipping accidents by rail, truck, ship - is that better? Or should Canada and the US just move to the 'Green New Deal' and abdicate responsibility for any reliable energy. Where is the move to modernize/replace the pipeline if necessary? OR for that matter, re-route the pipeline to be kept entirely in Canada?
Yes they all lie . so get them going on the tunnel . get it done the line is old get it done .before it becomes a problem Then find out the engineered life span . if a new line is needed build it . As the tunnel is engineered another line could be dragged through if the new ones life span ends
So 29 spills in 65 years isn’t to much that’s roughly 1 spill every 2.2 years 21:45
Once a habitat is ruined by toxic spills, it can never be fully restored. Sure you can bring it back a little bit, but it will never be as it was before the spill. One spill in almost 2.2 years is devastating to the habitat and people it affects.
If the pipeline needs to be replaced, replace it. Move it out of the lake. Route it entirely through Canada and Michigan, Ohio and the others can get their own oil.
That is one of the reasons for the Keystone. Unfortunately Mr OBiden cancelled that Jan. 6th 2021. His first day in office.
I'm a conservative, and I support oil, but I do not want that thing opening up in my steelhead water. Keep it out of the great lakes. And I live In kzoo, that river was already fucked, but it was getting better. The lines are just cheaper, period, keep them out of water.
Like the video. Dislike the problem and the neglect.
It’s 2020 and you still can’t kyack the Kalamazoo river with out sludge sticking to everything that touched the water
@Stick 'o Butter If this video makes you angry, THEN CALL MICHIGAN'S STUPID GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL and tell them to QUIT TRYING TO STOP THE GREAT LAKES TUNNEL PROJECT which will remove the line 5 pipeline OUT of the GREAT LAKES forever and house it inside a concrete tunnel 100' below the bottom of the Straits. The current pipeline is a ticking time bomb, that's why Enbridge WANTS to put a new one in a tunnel but Gretchen and Dana would rather have a oil spill (JUST LIKE THEIR MIDLAND DAM FAILURE) because they are doing everything they can to stop it. Call their incompetence out immediately if you ACTUALLY care about the Great Lakes
Shut it down , shut it down .
People are not going to dumb down their lifestyle. You want to travel you want to buy stuff on amazon. They re not going to stop sending oil rail cars, ships are going to cause pollution. We will never get off of oil
It's hard to trust a company that has had around 30 spills across line 5... I mean listen to the Enbridge employee say that line 5 under the straits is like new 65 years later which is why it has never had a spill and then brush off the other spills by saying the pipeline is 65 years old. What is it then? Is the pipeline too old or is it good?
Everyone needs to try living without NG or Oil. How would people heat their homes? wood? These people have no problem driving cars, flying, wearing clothes and using products made from oil by products. Yes there will be accidents, as there is with all new technology. We learn and move on.That's progress.
I'm curious what the house's/farm's/vehicle's operate on and how it gets to these people.....
House runs on solar and nuclear power
Farm runs on mules, horses and oxen
Vevhicle is a Chevy Bolt. Runs on electricity from nuclear and solar power.
@@marcel84marcel lol farm on mule and horses... gold! Enjoy working the hundreds of acres if not thousands with mules and horses.
@@Tony-xy7lj We need to work smarter not harder. I have an aquaponics system in my greenhouse. Catfish, tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, beans, cucumbers all in a 10x12 greenhouse. People use to have a victory garden in their backyards but big agriculture doesn't want you to grow your own food. They want you dependant on them.
The Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of rocks. BTW, the oil companies don't care about or anyone else. Just profit.
Enbridge sits on a throne of lies!
My god grow up
One spill is to many!
If you are a Wisconsin resident, you can cast a vote on the DNR's website on April 12th 2021.
What we need is more pipelines
'COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGIST' FOR AN OFFENDING OIL CORPORATION WHICH IGNORED 5 YEARS OF PIPELINE CRACKS AND LEFT A MAJOR, 6 FT, CRACK SPEW AT FULL FORCE FOR 17 HOURS: WHAT KIND OF REPROBATE TAKES THIS JOB AND THEN TOUTS THE COMPANY'S HANDLING OF THE MAJOR SPILL!??!
I'm in Ontario. When I heard the line is to be closed I was shocked.
Now I completely get it. Inexcusable behavior from enbridge
who provides your gas? is there a pipe line under your street to your house?
I think this pipeline is like a break line in your car. The outside is rotting away and the inside is protected by the oil, so the pipe gets thinner and thinner until you are pumping millions of gal.s a day through a tinfoil pipe, and I mean Tinfoil ! In other countries people get put in jail for spills like this....But not in the Great USA.
If its a CANADIAN company delivering oil from CANADA to CANADA, why not keep the pipeline routed in CANADA around Lakes Superior and Huron?
Oil money can buy a lot of congressmen.
As a certified application coating specialist there is not such thing as a coating that prevents corrosion unless you delete natural accruing elements in which you cannot.. paint jobs typically last 20 years .. yes there are federal and state standards that based on history and studies how too apply paints too slow corrosion but there is no such thing as stopping it hint why an industrial painter has a job for a life time ... I can only hope that greed by a billion dollar company when not if a leak does spring that federal prosecution is swift and harsh for destroying the beauty great lakes .. most enbridge paint applicators are labors untrained and not certified by the state standards CAS too even apply coating and yet most inspectors for enbrigde for paint application don't even get out of there trucks too inspect the applicator is doing there job correctly . I know from experience.. it may create job it may help transport natural resources quicker but is it safer for our natural environment in which people depend on when jobs are preformed incorrectly ? Yes you can sue can give prison time but in the end the damage is done best advise is too not do it period
"scare people around the great lakes' THEY SHOULD BE SCARED!!!! ENBIRDGE HAS SPILLED ONCE AND WILL DO IT AGAIN! Trying to prevent a disaster is NOT being scared, its being proactive and protective!!!!! Currently doing a project on line 3 replacement project and it just makes me sick of all the money put above people and nature.
This pipeline delivers 22.68 million gallons of oil per day. A transport truck holds 8000 gallons of oil so it would take 2835 trucks per day to deliver the same amount of oil. That many trucks would have even more serious environmental consequences.
This is not about environmental concerns. This is about activists who don't like us using oil and attempting to shut it down at any cost. Complete disregard to environment and economic concerns.
The easy fix here is to use third party inspectors to insure the proper maintenance of the line. When my furnace is not running properly I don't just shut it off. That would be stupid. I have it fixed.
I'm pissed now
More anti-pipeline indoctrination !
Beth has nice rubber boots. And her dad likes taring roofs
One sided propaganda.
I’m all for conserving our lakes. I love our lakes. But the other side of shutting it down is who’s Whitmer proposing as an alternative energy source?
The repercussions of this energy would kill fuel sources for the region. Hopefully an amicable agreement can be had
Find a better solution before you shut this one down. Wind/Electric/Solar is not a sustainable solution yet.
Most sensible comment. Too bad most everyone else on here are posting their tantrums.
The alternative should be easily obtained at this point with the amount of coal fired power generation plants that have been closed down within the last decade, rail should be an option,
I would think, as the lines are not nearly as busy with coal trains. But hey, when your a ceo who just wants to ride the wave of cash flow for a few years before handing the prob off to the next guy- and keep doing this as a company decade after decade instead of investing capital into your infrastructure on your watch to accommodate better decision making in your industry that obviously affects large populations of people- why change right?
🤙 cowabunga dude 💣
It’s to FORCE gas price increase!!
indeed!
They need to fix or replace the pipeline before they have another disaster!
Anyone who calls gas and oil immoral needs to immediately stop driving cars, using plastics, or heating their homes. Anything less makes you a hypocrite.
And eating.
Everything people eat is either produced or delivered via oil. All of it.
Pig it out and shut it in.
WASN'T THIS PROJECT UNDER THE DIRECTION OF STATE DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE ?
WHAT ABOUT DRILLING ON THE FARM WHERE I STILL HAVE OIL RIGHTS??
I like how people believe this propaganda it’s so sad the line 5 project is essential
Agreed.
nope, that will be proven in May
Enbridge Lies
Gotta love the Embridge Yes man! Just keep saying what you’re paid to say buddy! Wait till a disaster affects you! Will you still be the loyal lap dog?!?!
Interesting dilemma there, I'd say that section is probably due for a retool.
I want this pipeline shut down for good due to the fact of Enbridge are liars and not provide information to the public and the state of Michigan. Have them build the pipeline in the province of Ontario and let them face the problem of Enbridge, not us.
What makes you think Enbridge hasn’t been forthcoming? They offered and the State agreed to build a tunnel.
@@greenman7612 2010 spill in Michigan where they knew the line was damaged 5 years prior
Why is this even a question?
Why would anyone risk one commodity with another?
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The state of Michigan pet should pay attention to their government and what their government is doing sending all kinds of trash over here from Canada and Ohio
Maybe if the activists figure out a solution to provide an alternative reliable efficient affordable fuel then maybe just maybe things would change
@Jason Alexander If this video makes you angry, THEN CALL MICHIGAN'S STUPID GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL and tell them to QUIT TRYING TO STOP THE GREAT LAKES TUNNEL PROJECT which will remove the line 5 pipeline OUT of the GREAT LAKES forever and house it inside a concrete tunnel 100' below the bottom of the Straits. The current pipeline is a ticking time bomb, that's why Enbridge WANTS to put a new one in a tunnel but Gretchen and Dana would rather have a oil spill (JUST LIKE THEIR MIDLAND DAM FAILURE) because they are doing everything they can to stop it. Call their incompetence out immediately if you really care
Over non tribal land for example
If anyone believes in the EPA you better think again
It's a "Death" line
How can Ryan Duffy sleep at night? (Probably on a mattress full of cash from Enbridge)
Compromise. Keep the natural gas liquid that Michigan uses and shut down the oil that Canada short cuts through Michigan and have them put a pipeline back in Canada.
So, instead of getting a crude oil spill when line 5 fails you get liquid propane leaking into the lake?. Ever see water burn?.
Buy and hold this income growth machine for life. All industries need oil and natural gas to survive. The world population will always be growing and consuming. Enb is an oligopoly moat with long term secured contracts for 20 to 25 years. Your kids education money is here !
Congrats to Michigan for finally shutting down line 5
Shut ambridge down inline 5 now
A tunnel under Mackinaw would solve the safety risks of the existing pipeline. But Democrats have stonewalled those plans because they’re activists who would rather see the pipeline shut down entirely. And in so doing they allow the existing pipeline to continue to function rather than have us move forward on a safer replacement. If the existing pipeline breaks for any reason, blame the environmental activists like Gretchen Whitmer who stonewalled the tunnel replacement from moving forward. Environmental activism is more important than dealing pragmatically with existing infrastructure 😡
If the Michigan state police try and come up here and shut the valves they will be shot by the RCMP. Look at flint... and detoilets crack mayor. What power do you really have 🤣🤣
@Jason Alexander Not scared...
So the discussion uses words like "Tar sands", and juxtaposes a very unfortunate spill that was a tragedy and was cleaned up. Enbridge apparently took responsibility for it and cleaned things up. The current line 5 has been in place since the 50s with not a single problem. It COULD possibly have a problem...but what about the very real shipping accidents by rail, truck, ship - is that better? Or should Canada and the US just move to the 'Green New Deal' and abdicate responsibility for any reliable energy. Where is the move to modernize/replace the pipeline if necessary? OR for that matter, re-route the pipeline to be kept entirely in Canada?
Yes they all lie . so get them going on the tunnel . get it done the line is old get it done .before it becomes a problem Then find out the engineered life span . if a new line is needed build it . As the tunnel is engineered another line could be dragged through if the new ones life span ends
WE MUST AVOID THE CARELESSNESS OF ANOTHER VALDEZ??