Everything You Need To Know About Buying A Record Player!
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- After you watch this video, you will be an expert at identifying pitfalls and problems that you may encounter when buying or upgrading to a used turntable. Whether you're buying a used turntable online, from a friend, or from a Goodwill or other thrift store, there are very important things you need to know to make sure it's functioning properly and not damaging your records. This video seeks to arm you with the proper information to make sure your purchases are educated and that you take the proper steps after buying for the maximum enjoyment of your music.
I teamed up with Brian, the owner of my favorite hi-fi audio store, Audio Element in Pasadena, CA to bring you this reference level informational video about turntables. What you should look for when buying one. What you should avoid. And I ask the questions that we all have to someone that I'd consider an expert in the audio world.
I hope you enjoy the video and learn some valuable information to help you on your journey through the wonderful world of vinyl records, whether you're a beginner just getting into the hobby or a seasoned veteran -- there's something in this video for everyone.
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Love the video and will always go with restored vintage over new.
His mantra that “too good to be true usually is” isn’t always the case- often people just don’t know the value of something they sell. Their logic is “oh this is old and doesn’t work so it must not be worth much”
But a lot of people dont have the knowledge to repair or perform the maintenance on the turntable. He makes the point which is a good one that costs can easily creep up when performing maintenance on an order vintage turntable especially if parts need to be replaced and so on. So it is up to the individual whether they want to spend a lot of money to restore that cool old thorens/duel/AR etc. When they could by a new turntable covered by a warranty that will not require the continuous maintenance of an older turntable.
@@koylesmasterpeice I agree.For myself,I can't do any of the work that would be necessary on older turntables.
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I have had a number of used Technics SL1200/10s and never had a problem. Used for DJing and home listening, they are super reliable. You definitely need to be a bit picky when buying as there are clunkers out there but, if you come to sell them on, they retain their value super well.
Matthew Whitehead The Reason you never had a problem with the Technics 1200/1210 is because when they were designed they were intended for record playback and not for Scratching and mixing. It just so Happened however that DJ’s found that the 1200/1210’s were great for mix and scratch work and the rest is history. If you notice in the video the straight and short arm on that DJ turntable is nothing like the quality found on a Technics.
I have a Sony PS-P7X and a Sony PS-5100. I like them much better than the ones on sale now.
I had it happen where I bought a used turntable. It was a pretty high end Pro-ject turntable and the bearing was damaged in the tone arm. It had the characteristics that were described in the video where the arm would not track probably and would skip or stop moving across the record surface altogether. I was really disappointed. I also had an issue with a brand new turntable and it was also a pro-ject. There was a design flaw and motor vibration would be transferred through the turntable to the cartridge and was audible during playback. I did some modifications which helped but I was never able to eliminate the issue to my satisfaction. I e-mailed the company and they basically just told me to return the turntable to place to purchase which I didnt think was fair to the retailer. So I sold that turntable and bought a new Technics 1200-gr. It cost me a lot of money but was definitely worth it. My other turntable is a AR XB from the early 1970's and after some maintenance it performs flawlessly. I feel like I learned the hard way and there is definitely a lot of good advice in this video.
Thank you for the story, Karl!
Interesting . It's cool you were persistant and didn't just give up on vinyl and play CDs or stream on line only. Many people just want the music from the cheapest and most convenient format.
Wow that automatic turntable Shown brings back some memories. My parents had one similar to that one that you could stack records on and at the end of the record the arm would pick up the record. Honestly it was a piece of junk however because after a while it started to pick up the record before it ended and my dad decided to get a Sony belt driven Turntable. Never forget breaking the belt trying to scratch on it. Lol
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I tested many old turntable and for me Thorens turntable are the best. (Whit belt) . Technics are better for direct drive. Technics and Thorens. I love it
This is great! Always enjoy your content. Thanks!
Thank you!!
Great video!
Thanks Drew!
Bought my refurbished AT-LP120 on Amazon and it’s been great for me. But I’m mainly writing this just to leave a comment...
I have a 1985 Acoustic Research turntable and he’s right, Acoustic Research is now a totally different company and it’s hard to find parts for it. Albeit it’s a simple belt drive turntable but I have to look to internet suppliers like Vinyl Nirvana to find replacement parts and upgrades for it.
I have a dual 1019 and I much prefer it to my at lp 120.
I have an old Dual CS5000 and a Rotel RP3000 All-Manual turntable with a Shure m97xe cartridge. That's all I need!!!!!!
I feel people are able to make up their own minds, and yes, vintage tables are not better, their best.
Used buying guide but doesn’t even talk about buying Dd quartz tables and what company’s to stay away from and first thing to look for when buying a use direct drive and so on. This is not a buying guide more like a couple tips.
Direct drive is the way to go. Also I prefer p mount Technics because a new audio technica cartridge will have a new stylus as well.
Great informative video, thanks!
Great guide
I bought a Technics SL-D2 for $40 last week and have been,very happy with it.
Very informative, but I have to disagree on one point. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a vintage turntable from the early 80's if found in good condition. I found a circa 1981 Technics made "overseas" in Japan SL-D303 in a Goodwill thrift store. Full automatic, strobe, direct drive, pitch control, built like a tank, and paid all of $10 bucks for it. Took it home and cleaned it from looking like it sat in a dusty attic/garage for decades to almost new condition, plugged it in and everything worked perfectly. The plastic dust cover was a bit scratched up and slightly cloudy, but that can be brought back with a bit of plastic polish and elbow grease. The only thing I did was, slide a little oil to the motor, change the stock rubber mat, which was leaking oil pretty badly due to the rubber breaking down over decades, and I put a spare Ortofon Red cartridge that I had on it and it sounds fantastic, no issues with speed fluctuation, and I don't have to worry about immediately getting to the tonearm when the record side ends because its fully automatic, and its serving duty as a secondary TT in my system to this day.
Good video I will buy new
Great video and good information.
Of course that Numark turntable would be trash 😂 good video
Awesome video!
Thanks Nick :)
Thanks - will definitely visit AE! (saw he had some vinyl for sale!)
I own a Michell synco ,had it since the mid eighties has the unicover fitted . to upgrade would cost me £2500 for a Michell gyrodec , i had it serviced cost £75 ,Michell engineering still do parts for it too ,sounds brilliant with my soundsmith cart fitted.
I have a infinate martini music NAS, yeah.
I have a 35+ year old JVC AL-FQ5 P-mount turntable that still works, sounds great (I've replaced cartridges over the years, of course) and the only thing that's kind of semi-broken is the manual lift tonearm (it has a slider switch at the front for up-down) that doesn't always drop the tonearm every time. Is there any way to clean or fix the mechanism myself or is this something that needs to be fixed by a service like yours? Thank.
Yeah I’m not sold on the whole new, simple turntable will last longer. Longer than what? I’m not saying that they won’t last but there’s no body of work available to make that statement. I’ll meet everyone back here in 45 years and we can compare notes with my early 70s pioneer. Deal?
Haha cool idea. I like my 80s Technics slqd33 direct drive and Garrard gt35 . Great prices and quality sound for me.
I'm using a Technics SL 1210 MKII
Twenty-three minutes to basically say “buyer beware” when purchasing an used contemporary turntable online and it might cost a lot to repair a vintage turntable.
Hey do you have any thoughts on the Sony PS-LX310BT? It looks gorgeous but does is play well? I'd love to hear your thoughts!
Man, hate to say it but I’m 2 minutes in and right off the bat there is some not good info here... the cartridge does not/should not go bad with age. It’s true that there are often rubber and plastic components that degrade with time... those parts are typically part of the stylus assembly and are refreshed when the stylus is replaced. You absolutely never want to use a used stylus, that much is 100% true. Same is true of new in the package old-stock styli, even if it’s never been touched. But many of these old turntables will come with perfectly fine cartridges, if not one that’s actually very good and sought after then one that’s at least as good as or better than what you’d get for a cheap total replacement. If good replacement styli are still available for that cart, it may be in your best interests to just replace the stylus rather than the entire cartridge altogether. If I found an old Pioneer table and it had a Shure v15 on it, you better believe I wouldn’t be swapping it out for an AT95 or 2M or whatever the current flavor-of-the-month entry level cartridge is…
Of course, not everything in audio is agreeable and that’s a minor gripe. Rest of the video was mostly very informative and I’ll be sure to link this to people looking out for something used
„DJ turntable“ does not necessarily means, it has a short straight tonearm.. in fact, the most have normal sized s-shaped tonearms, which are perfectly fine for excellent playback with the right cartridges..
I disagree with buying only simple designs and staying away from dj decks. I owned a Rega for awhile and had problems with speed stability, even with the TTPSU unit, and could never quite get the vta dialed in because there is no vta adjustment built in to the deck. I had to purchase metal spacers which helped but made it impossible to fine tune. Stylus rake angle is paramount in getting the best sound out of your records. Also changing the carts out on the Rega is absolutely nerve wracking. If you break a wire on the headshell leads you will more than likely have to take it to someone who can fix it unless you have alot of soldering experience because the wires are tiny. I became interested in the Pioneer PLX-1000 and decided to give it a try. The Pioneer blows the Rega away. Quartz lock improved timing and injected the life back into the music I listen to. VTA is built in and easily adjusted. The removable headshell makes it a breeze to change cartridges. I had some trouble with motor rumble but once I added a Funk Firm Achromat it almost completely went away. There are tons of parts and upgrades for the super OEM decks out there and alot of people, especially DJs who know how to fix them. Just my take on the pros and cons of each type of deck.
Brian is too harsh on vintage automatic turntables. I have a Dual 1218 with Shure V15 III cartridge with new stylus. A new turntable would be quiter than mine, but once the music starts the difference would be minor. Also I like the convenience of flipping a lever and the ttable advancing the tone arm and returning it at the end. Now that is simplicity.
i have a philips cart with shibata stylus to check mastering on records ,,do i have to throw it away because its old
Is that a bicycle saddle on the wall?
That "grandpa turntable" looks to be a Dual 1219. All you have to do is pick it up and see how heavy the platter is to tell it's not a piece of shit BSR or something. Huge following for these German made idler drive decks. I recently picked one up at a yard sale for 15 bucks. Should be a fun (or frustrating) project. But they aren't graveyard tables. Also, there's nothing at all wrong with old cartridges. 95% of them are probably fine. That being said, chances are the stylus needs to be replaced and many many places sell appropriate replacements.
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That Numark deck is a terrible example of a DJ turntable.
Boo !! Bad advice about used cartridges.
My experience tells me that the opposite is true and I have been able to purchase 20+ excellent performing, higher end cartridges, ones that I couldn't afford otherwise.
I do replace the stylus basically automatically.
Hey Matt can you do an update on the vinyl record that you are pressing and awesome video
Thanks Dominique! I provide updates in my TMR Facebook group. Make sure you’re a member! Update is - the record is mastered and I’m waiting on test pressings 🙏🏻
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Its called a Turntable.
dude is a liar about dj turntables, the sound quality is just a good as anything listed. The super oem tables have the same build as technics. he's a salesperson
Sorry, but Brian makes a lot of statements that are just standard canards without scientific support. New turntables do not perform better than a refurbished vintage TT on objective measures such as Wow and flutter, rumble, and speed variation. In fact, most TT manufacturers today don't even publish these specs because they know the numbers are inferior. Consider the Clearaudio Concept. I'll accept it's a good turntable, but its speed variation is 4 times Technics' cheaper belt-driven models' variation in the mid-1970s, and more than 10 times the variation of their direct drive models. I don't know about W&F and rumble because Clearaudio doesn't publish the figures. The idea that direct drive turntables are noisier than belt driven tables--and that this noise can be heard by the listener--is also backed by little or no evidence. The first DDs were a tiny bit noisier, but Technics eliminated that problem by the mid-1970s. Manufacturers today push belt-driven models because they are cheaper to make and much easier to design. The high prices of today's TTs owe to high overhead (fixed costs) that are being allocated to a much smaller number of TTs being sold. Pioneer and Technics probably sold more TTs in a week in the 1970s and early 1980s than the "high-end" manufacturers do today in a year.
If you like your new turntable, great. This is the important thing. Just don't believe all the nonsense spewed by the Robert Harley/Michael Fremer crowd. They speak of highly technical details that are not backed by science. (And Fremer's jokes are painfully unfunny.)