Getting into Vinyl Records? Watch this FIRST!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- If you're thinking about getting into vinyl records, this short video is ESSENTIAL to watch first. People are going to steer you away from certain turntables, and they may not explain why, which can be really frustrating. I wanted to, in a simple manner, explain WHY people tell you not to get a Crosley or All-In-One record player so that you can dive into the hobby on the right foot. If you're a knowledgeable record fanatic, hopefully this video will be something you can share with new friends that want to join the wonderful world of vinyl.
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I got an LP60 and I never had a skip.
Manny Ramirez Same
I had a lp60xbt and I only did on one of ym record in a specific song and specif part every time. The vinyl was a 180 gram vinyl and I assume that's where it will skip. I only had for 5 months before upgrading and not that same record doesn't skip at all on my lp120x
I got an lp60 and it didnt work out of the box! I have project debut carbon and i almost cried when i heard it in action.
Rouge That's what I said! Praise be, to the record gods!
Ignore this guy, he only recommends gear that gets him a commission from Amazon transactions. Notice how every piece of hardware he hawks has an Amazon link. F**king UA-camrs.
I've never heard one vinylphile mention any good record players.
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mainly because there are tons of turntables, tons of amplifiers, tons of loudspeakers, tons of opinions and tons of different price ranges for everyone's budget from $ 300. to 500,000 $ + ....that's why
budget: ATLP60X
best in class: UTurn tbh or any well made vintage table
So what’s an example of a good record player?
$300.00 for a good set, yeah right. A good system will set you back about $3,000 if you are lucky.
Just so it's said here: Contrary to what is usually claimed, lp60's track at a proper 3.5 grams with a spring setting it and does in fact have anti-skating as demonstrated by the youtuber VWestlife.
this. people who weigh it themselves typically do it incorrectly, placing a scale on top of the platter won’t give an accurate measurement because the spring is being stretched less. u have to put the surface of the scale at the same height as the platter, and when i did that it measured 3.5g. also it does have anti-skate, i tested it myself on a blank record. u can’t adjust it because the tracking force is always the same, therefore the anti-skate needs to be too. the lp60x is a perfect starter turntable, it’s dummy-proof and has decent enough sound especially for the affordable price.
edit: also, make sure to get the lp60x not the normal lp60, they fixed the skipping issues as well as issues with the buttons. lp60x has no issues
Idk what is wrong with ur LP60 mine has been fine.
I know eventually I'll upgrade at some point as my vinyl collection grows but my lp60 works just fine and I've heard that it's the perfect beginner record player. I believe that to be true..especially for those who may not be sure if they want to fully invest right away. Just my take on it.
Coincidentally my lp60 arrives tomorrow from amazon :)
I'll probably get the 60x in that case
Ordered my LP60 because I’m not sure if I will go deeper into the hobby.
I’m in South Africa and it costs $175.
A turntable with counterweights is more than double that cost and I need to be sure that vinyl collection is something I enjoy before I invest.
Also ive heard that it actually DOES have anti-skate built in. They just dont advertise it
I've had an LP60BT for a lil over 3 years now. I've never had it skate across an album once yet. And it wasn't exactly "cheap" either, as I remember paying 300 CAD after taxes for it. That was a fair bit of bone for me at the time as I don't make an exorbitant amount of money. As for it wrecking my records?!??? I haven't noticed any type of degradation yet. I'm buying mainly new out of the shrink wrap records and all I know is that for the most part they all sound as good as when I first played them. I try to take care of placing on and off the table and taking out and putting back in the sleeves. I wipe them after use with a proper brush, in general I try to take care of the records. I also have a needle cleaning brush that I use every now and then. So I'm pretty sure an LP60 series if just fine to start a collection and get a more "serious" table later on when your collection has grown and your getting into records that maybe need to be babied a bit.
Definitely some good tips, however the LP60 is still a great entry table in my eyes, I’ve had mine for several years and have had minimal issues, also I never spent up to $300 on my setup, for someone who isn’t a complete audiophile who needs the 100% best sound possible I’d say a thrift store can meet your expectations in terms of speakers and a receiver at least
"It's gonna cost you roughly $300 to get you set up in the hobby."
"I put some links in the description for some gear i recommend that you can get started with."
Recommends a turntable for $380
wow it jumped up in price. it used to be way less! :O
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I wouldn't sell you my PIONEER TWIN TOWER SPEAKERS alone for 300.00 as they sell from 400.00 and up depending on what model ! ARE YOU NUTS ???
My turntable cost me 30€ (jaytec djt-2) my headphones are just aux gaming headphones but the quality is amazing regardless and I got a preamp with my turntable and my brother gave me an old Behringer DX626 dj mixer for free and it's a perfect amplifier. I have bought records which are worth more than my setup like McCartney III (red vinyl). You don't need much money for this hobby lol
I have a Audio technica. I love it. It rarely skips and when it does it's because i dropped something heavy on the ground near it.
My crosley has done be so much good for 7 years now, and all the records i have had since then are still in awesome condition. It's all in how you take care of your gear
I hope your right on this cause I’m a 13 year old who can not afford such a hobby.
@@GHOSTLOVINGTOAST Same! I’m trying to find the best record player for my budget and the fact that I’m only in middle school
I just got into collecting records and I bought a Crosley Discovery Record Player. I honestly don’t understand why people hate them. I love the way it looks and I haven’t had issues with any new records I’ve purchased skipping. The old used records I’ve found at the thrift of course are going to pop and skip from time to time but I honestly enjoy that aspect of it. It sits on my nightstand and the sound fills my room beautifully. Yes, the speakers don’t produce the clearest sound but if your into that old school record player sound it does just fine. You can even connect external speakers to it if you want. I got it for the experience of purchasing a beautifully illustrated record, opening it up, cleaning it, and placing it down on the turntable. Just that alone is worth the low price I paid for it. For a casual beginner I think it’s perfect and I highly recommend it. Of course you can pay hundreds of dollars for an audiophiles dream setup but I haven’t been persuaded yet to invest in it given how dated this tech really is. Just enjoy the music people it ain’t that serious.
I appreciate your comment Alexander but that's like getting mad at people saying that NYC pizza is the best when you can just eat lunchables and it's still technically pizza. If you enjoy your setup, that's all that matters -- but ultimately, if music is important to you, a Crosley just won't output the sound that allows for truly falling in love with this hobby. As for the skipping, sadly, based on empirical data, it's not a matter of if, but "when" -- if you start to run into issues and you want help picking out an upgrade that doesn't break the bank, I'm here for you!
@@TooManyRecords I’m sure I will invest in upgrading my set up eventually. I can listen to any music I want for free on my phone so shelling out so much money for records and a proper player seems unnecessary at the moment BUT your videos just might change the way I think about it. I guess I just enjoy the aesthetic and experience of it all. For an audiophile I’m sure what I have is laughable but for me it’s fine for now. Once the time comes for an upgrade I’ll know who to ask! 😁 Very informative videos and thanks for the reply!
Lol same!
Like he said I'm the beginning it depends on your reasoning for getting into vinyl.
I'm not an audiofile and have no desire to be. For the majority of music I prefer streaming. Cheap, Portable, great sound, and doesn't take up too much space. Vinyl is more experience based for me and I prefer the scratched popping noise for ASMR reasons. ( Ideally I want to find a record that only contains those noises no music just blissful crackling heaven. 😇)Hence the cheapy.
I started out with a Crosley cruiser 4 years ago because I wanted something and being 13 at the time didn't want to listen to anybody's advice. I seriously regret that because I got 2 of my favorite albums of all time as my first LPs and now I'm going to have to get new ones because they are so damaged. I've upgraded now. Speaking from experience I 100% agree with everything you said in this video. Keep up the great work
Thanks Brendan!! Glad you upgraded.
When I decided to start my vinyl record collection & DJ’ing, I started off with buying a pair of Technics SL1210-Mk2 and a job-lot box of 100 Techno records. I sorted that box out, sold what I didn’t want, made a little profit and bought another job-lot box of 100 records. Done the same thing over and over for years, it became a passionately satisfying hobby dealing with vinyl records. It’s always exciting to buy job-lot records as there’s often some good surprises. After years of buying and trading records, I had thousands in my possession, so I sold what I didn’t want and kept all my favourites. Now I have a nice collection of around a thousand vinyl records. I use Discogs quite often to buy specific records. I never thought I would develop such a strong passion for vinyl records, there’s something so special about holding a record, putting it on a turntable and manipulating it. There’s a unique warm noise to the sound of vinyl playing that can’t be explained to those who don’t quite understand the true definition of vinyl record sound. I DJ with vinyl and I’ve tried CD and digital but it’s just not the same. Using vinyl to DJ and to generally listen to music is a very special experience, one has to really practice it to understand.
With regards to the record player, I have only used the Technics SL1210-Mk2, so I have no experience with anything else but I must say that this player is extremely good. It’s such a robust piece of kit. If it’s set up correctly, maintained & looked after... it’ll last for decades. I regularly clean mine, ensure the settings are correct and service it periodically. These record players are getting on in their age now, but their prices just go up and up every year, they have such good reputation, I would highly recommend the 1210 Mk2 to anyone.
So.... Getting into vinyl was an excellent choice I made all those years back, Something I’ll never regret. I doubt I’ll ever part from my record collection. I’ve so much love for it.
I appreciate this non-judgemental perspective! My entire beginner set up cost about $300 even with "elevated" choices thanks to Black Friday! I'm starting with the AT LP3 (a step up from the 60 since it has adjustable counterweight and antiskate) and edifiers 1280dbs. The next step is actually to get the speakers on stands, right now they're both in a small cubby right next to each other which defeats the stereo sound... something I got FLAMED for on reddit 😂 but it's what my space allows at the moment and sounds fine to my beginner ears. This hobby can definitely be snooty but right now it's bringing me joy to INTENTIONALLY listen to music again. I used to sit in my room and listen to music as an activity, not just background noise, and this brings me back to that which was my reasoning to start.
I've been curious about the hobby for a while now and after seeing some record players at a bookstore today, I decided to look this up. thanks for persuading me against buying one of those pieces of crap. I'm really excited about getting a good setup and getting to experience music in a new way.
Hi Matt. It might be worth mentioning to beginners that some old home theater receivers have a phono (turntable) input and often can be found for very little money. $20-$30 on craigs or thrift stores. Than all you need is a turntable and speakers. I think lots of parents or relatives have these sitting in there garage or attic when they get new systems, and some may be able to get them for free if they ask nicely;) I have been enjoying your videos. Take care. Charles
Everyone needs to start somewhere. I know I did. I started out with a Sony record player from Best Buy hooked up to a Magnavox AV receiver. I had no idea what I was doing. This was about 20 years ago when I got the “bug” and really wanted to get into vinyl. It took a lot of trial and error since I was doing it blindly and without any guidance. There wasn’t as much info online as there is now. If only I knew now what I knew back then, I’d have saved a lot of time and money. Fast forward to now and a lot of money later, I decided to stick with this hobby and for the past few years have been happy with it. I currently own a Technics SL 1100a w/Nagaoka MP 150/MP 200 stylus combo going into a Puffin DSP phono stage. I’m using a Reisong tube amp which got killer reviews and the reviews were right! It’s an inexpensive, but awesome sounding amp. Vinyl actually sounds pretty damn great when played with the right gear. Lesson learned.
Just got my first “real” record player at 21, a SeeYing gifted for Christmas… now im slowly becoming an audiophile lol. Just discovered the world of looking at different pressings, reissue labels, and discog, this is going to be a fun hobby to work on!!
welcome to the hobby! I hope my channel can be a good resource for you.
Love this video, have been collecting for years, my one argument though is that if you're just getting started collecting and you're still on the fence about getting serious or if you're brand new to the hobby, an LP60 is a perfect turntable for the first year (maybe 2) of your collection, I actually used mine for nearly 2 years and it worked great (besides the skipping on some records cause of the shit tone arm)
I grew up in the 70s and 80s so my recent interest in vinyl collecting is just as much about nostalgia as it is the music. I have one of those all-in-one players that I got for a Christmas gift several years ago. When I started buying records again, I replaced the needle with a diamond one and I could immediately hear the difference (which is impressive since I suffer from tinnitus). I do understand why people who really want their collection to be pristine and get the most audio quality should really steer clear of the Crosleys and all-in-one units and it is my hope that I'll eventually be able to get a more sophisticated system. Until then, I am still going to happily spin records on the player I have. Love your channel, BTW. Very educational to us newbies.
The Audio Technica AT-LP60 does have a set tracking force and anti-skating, but the tracking force is set by a tensioned spring instead of a counterweight and the anti-skating is also set by a tensioned spring.
Of course. That is just sub-optimal.
A GOOD key word good... entry set up will cost you at least 500 with speakers pre amp and reciever. If you get lucky you can cut some of those costs by purchasing secondhand or from a pawn store. I recommend newbies who want a great entry to look at the u-turn by orbit. Great, upgradable and you can find them for great deals on c list.
Let me make you aware of this HUGE sound that i've followed for many YEARS ! A top PIONEER TUNER paired with a set of PIONEER TOWER SPEAKERS and a TECHNICS turntable is ALL that's needed to vibrate the WALLS and WINDOWS in my livingroom ! They talk about BOSE and CERWIN VEGA speakers but i'll STACK PIONEER speakers vs both BRANDS 8 FCKG DAYS A WEEK ! I've got a set of KENWOOD towers as well but PIONEER invented that great clear BASS mixed with TREBLE RANGE FOR REAL ! I can't turn volume past half way with these PIONEER TOWERS! They are BETTER THAN BEST !
Gary J Dixon thats good to know about the reciever but as long ad your past the at60/at20 series then they make good stuff. I need a good stylus and tone arm to keep my precious vinyls safe
Gamer420life i understand completely with owning some key vinyl records in first album releases with Aerosmith , Johnny Cash , Elton John , James Gang along with several Elvis Presley vinyl with a needle not making contact with whatsoever ! Ive got an Elvis double LIVE Madison SQUARE GARDENS wrapped up in plastic thats never been played and i have precious ones i won't take chances in scratching ! I've got a great collection of early Rolling Stones that are never played ! I've got a huge collection of CD's along with 8 tracks and cassettes ! I"m an absolute MUSIC NUT with FAV HOBBY ! I collect old coins and also have an unbelievable Ancient Indian authentic rock collection & preparing to go to Toledo for 1st live exhibit !Archeology is a complexed hobby to study and huge challenge !
Definitely considering “vinyling” soon as another hobby. I want my family to pool together their favorite songs and grab them as a Christmas gift for me. I’ll cover the setup, they just give me mementos I can listen to when I miss them in college.
Vinyl turns into an obsession for some... you've been warned 😁
I agree with you on mostly everything you said but personally I'm happy with my LP60 and have never had any problems with it at all apart from needing to adjust the speed a little. As a starter its way better than a crosley, you can't really expect a starter to spent ridiculous amounts on a first try if they want to get into it.
When I first started getting into vinyl,I was going to get a all in one,but luckily I stopped myself and looked into it further. In the end I bought separates on a budget,it sounds great. In the future I want to upgrade a few things to get better sound,but I’m happy were I am at the moment.
Same here, I browsed a LOT of all in ones. Sure glad I looked into it further. The one I got is upgradable too. So, I started out spending $400 (already had great speakers) and if I wish I can turn my turntable into the top of the line version slowly and not drop all the money at once.
I still truly think an lp60 bt is brilliant. And go ahead a judge me but I had an all in one for a year and once connected to a nice speaker it didnt sound bad
I’m so tempted to get into vinyl now
same here
If you have not, it is worth it... Save up though and yes get a fairly good system with speakers. (Not loud per se" but good).. Secondly, the good vinyl is the original pressings and not really the newest stuff at the store because cd's are good now and a lot cheaper.. Therefore find a good local record store and get the original Pre-2000 albums. Any CD that is bought after 2010 is probably on par with any vinyl (not remasters).
DO IT! you don't need lots of money. you just need to like and appreciate music!. besides the fact that the hobby of Vinyl collecting is pretty amazing. thanks to it , I survived 2020 just fine :)
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I've just bought a cheap record player (£30 second hand off ebay) because I don't have the money to spend hundreds of pounds on a hobby that I'm just starting. If I'm still into it in a few months I might save up for a better turntable, but spending all that money on something that I don't know I'll continue with would just be silly.
I have my 1979 vintage technics SLQ3 direct drive fully automatic
What
My husband and I have just got an Audio Technica LP120 as our first turntable. We have been wanting to get into Vinyl for a awhile. My father-in-law said he would buy us a turntable for our 1st anniversary and then the speakers for christmas. We are lucky to already have some fairly decent speakers.
Now in this video he keeps telling you to ask "why you want do you to get into vinyl". For us it was inevitable. We both grew up with our dads loving records and carfully looking after them. My husband got more and more into music as he got older, and ended up being a muli-instrumentalist with his own music recording studio set up (It's also a general music room). As for me, I got more and more into the arts and have a theareticle understanding of classical music. I learnt how to play a few woodwind instruments and got closer to my dad through the love of music. My husband and I met at an arts college, he was on a music course 'n I was on a perforing arts course. So for us it was a logical step into yet another music art form.
Late 1970s Technics SL110 here. There are some amazing direct drive Japanese decks from that time.
Very Nice Turntable!
First off, he's beyond right on many levels. However, getting more indepth into this, you will find the differences and shall I say preferences of your listening experience. Absolutely invest in a good turntable and even better speakers. Then listen to many records on that turntable, dial it in. Then buy a cartridge that suits your setup and listening needs. Then you can go hog wild on tube amps, pre amps etc... However I would advise against going low range in this hobby, even at the beginning. I would suggest going mid range so you get longevity out of your setup. This is an expensive hobby. I own records now that cost a couple of hundred dollars, and thats nothing, some own things that cost thousands. Eventually, you will be where I'm at in about a year, and that's looking to upgrade. I dont have an uber expensive setup by any means. I bought a Fluance RT81, added a high quality cork mat, and a Nagaoka MP110. I have decent Polk Audio TSi speakers, and a tube matched preamp, thats good quality but on the cheaper end. I have a decent Polk Audio sub, and a decent deck which has very low thd. However, now that I have an ear for what I want. Im looking at much more expensive equipment. I wont purchase them until I can justify it. Right now work and family life is keeping me from listening more often. Just my piece of advice.
I upgraded from a Crosley to a Fluance RT81 and I'm so happy I did.
Oh Hell, thats a HUGE upgrade... Good Job
As a 80’s baby
It reminds me of the penny trick.
I started so I can get awesome 60s-80s albums for under 10 bucks at second hand stores I have zero desire in getting new music
Wow you sound like such a vinyl snob but I mean it in a good way! I'm so amused haha personally chose film photography as my "pricey" hobby but I love music and want a starter set where I can listen to my all-time favorite songs on another level...happy to have come across your channel!
I miss Growing up in late 60 and 70s.. 8 tracks and vinyl was the way to go!
it still is in 2020, though....you should get out more
My grandma got me a Thomas Pacconi classic 1900-2000. I have no clue if it's good or not I'm new to this hobby like just started today.
I thrifted my first hifi set up for under $100 (not including preamp)
oh man less than a min in and I'm worried. so a friend who went through a break up gave me her vinyl player because if she kept it she would smash it. its been sitting on my desk for 3 years and I finally got the one vinyl I have desired to collect for many reasons and to truly decide if I want to get into it as a hobby, and its a Crosley all in one. (the one in your do not buy pic exact) This thing sounds eerie, its an analogue horror kind eerie which is cool, but I'm afraid for the records I have on it.
The rumors about the LP60 making records skip and wear out fast is baseless hearsay from kids on r/vinyl who were too young to ever grow up with records, most of them having got into vinyl a year or two before the newbies watching this video. The cartridge on it is an identical re-badge of the Rega Carbon, which is standard fitted on Rega's Planar range of turntables that go for as much as $675 retail. If you're gullible enough to think the LP60 isn't fitted with a serviceable cartridge, you're also gullible enough to think that Bentley SUVs aren't rebadged Audi Q7s. 3 grams of tracking force is pretty common for many mid- and high-end cartridges and I can name dozens of modern high-end cartridges by well respected companies that track that high or higher.
I wouldn't be surprised if an entry level turntable like the AT-LP60 is more likely to have a bit more manufacturing issues than a more high end turntable for obvious reasons, but scaring new vinyl enthusiasts with rumors you found on a forum doesn't actually inform them. Please post data for the claims you make if you want to be informative, instead of repackaging old wives' tales in video format that they'll come across online anyway, which seems to be a common theme on this channel.
Lmao, what, do you work for Audio Technica? Myself and many other people have owned LP60s and brand new records were skipping for no reason. Getting a new turntable fixed that. Why? Not because of the cartridge. It's because of the lack of a counterweight and anti-skate. Some of them may be dialed in more properly than others, if someone has one with no issues, amazing. There are plenty of documented issues with this, and I've PERSONALLY experienced it, so I'd appreciate if you didn't come on my channel and try to denounce my actual experiences with your nonsense.
@@TooManyRecords shut up you piece of $hit
@@bozzhambo6053 someone’s a little too mad
No one is denying that those built in speakers on a suitcase turn table are going to sound pretty ordinary and not that great. But I believe that generally, the built in speakers are only going to be used temporarily when the turn table is first purchased. Just so that records can be played straight away before buying any additional equipment. I don't think it will be too long before most people buy a pair of external speakers etc.
This video saved me from getting a cheap player and potentially damaging records. Thanks!
I always say a record is only as good as ones setup. Keep up the good work!
Thank you Carson!
Agree. Matt didnt even bring up inner groove distortion. Easy to demonstrate: just throw on Synchronicity II or Stairway To Heaven on a Crosley and prepare to have your ears bleed.
I alluded to it at one point, but like I said, I didn't want to get too in depth.
carsononthecobb Its funny though, the music is only ever as good as the record. And a record doesnt have infinite fidelity, which is why its strange to me that some buy crazy expensive equipment.
Very well explained Matt, simple and to the point.
I tried :)
Here's a topic nobody covers regarding singles. How to tell vinyl from.styrene. often styrene is the only option but you can expect a slightly lesser sound quality from them.
Very good insight. You cleared up some things I was wondering about. Thank you for posting.
Hi buddy
I am glad CD players and tapes are here to stay
Yes the old record players are better
I bought an lp60 and a $50 preamp to hook up to my Panasonic stereo system. Tunes are juicy and they don’t skip.
Start slow and go from there if you just want to start out and see if this is something you might even like in a few months than sure go cheap at the start.
I have a Crosley C6, it has a counterweighted aluminum tonearm and an Audio-Technica cartridge. It isn't an amazing turntable, but it's not all that bad. Their C20 comes with an acrylic platter and Ortofon cartridge. Just cause they make some cheap suitcase record players doesn't mean they are all crap.
Very true. When I'm saying not to get a Crosley, in this video, I'm pretty explicitly talking about suitcase players. Their newer tables aren't bad (but I'd still prefer an LP120 or Fluance any day of the week)
Very straightforward and helpful video, appreciate the information and tips.
Couldn't agree more with your comments, WHY is the question you need to answer for yourself before heading down this rabbit hole. Even within the hobby I often ask, do you just buy records or do you actually play them? If you plan on playing them you owe it to yourself to hear what makes vinyl so amazing.
Well I got a Crosley for my bday, haven’t used it yet. I don’t know what to do.
I once owned an MCS(Panasonic) all in one back in 1980 that had an awesome amplifier and pretty decent wooden 3 way speaker cabinets. I used to make cassette copies of my lps to make them last longer. I've heard about a new system from Teac ( the lpr-660) that might be one of the few exceptions; yes, its counterweight is pre set, but at the proper tracking force allowed for stereo vinyl lps ; ( see VWestlife's review) it also has a cd recorder so you can preserve your vinyl by making cd-r copies, and it also allows you to upgrade to a better sounding stylus like the Lp Gear Blue Cerapreme, for example. I agree with you that the Crosleys, Pyles and Boytones are bad quality; I'm just saying there are a few ( very few) exceptions.
Short and concise, thnx
I have an LP60... no problems.
Are old Soundesign turntables good? I have one from I think the 80s that has a turntable, two cassette decks, am/FM radio and aux input. I haven't tested it yet though
I just got in to vinyl's and recently ordered my first turntable (don't have it yet) and I just couldn't justify buying a over 400e turntable as my first turntable so I went with a House Of Marley - Stir It Up turntable which was on sale for 150 euros. My plan is to upgrade to a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon if the hobby takes off.
THE AUDIO TECHNICA AT LP 60 IS NOT CRAPPY !!! It has a magnetic cartridge and is set to a Tracking force of 3.5 Grams which is not to heavy and would not destroy the records at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all, listening to vinyl was a way of life for some people. That was the only media; except for maybe cassette tapes, or perhaps 8 track tapes that was used. You don’t need fancy equipment to get started. Next, I never purchase record sleeves unless the one that came with it was worn out, then perhaps I would changed it. Listening to vinyl should not set you back a lot of money, go to yard sales, thrift stores, or perhaps ask your older family members if they have used equipment or vinyl records (you might like) ,that they are not using. Or perhaps ,they can turn you to someone that has those thing, once you get into listening to vinyl, then make the decision later on to upgrade. And take your time when you do, vinyl is here to stay. Enjoy listening to vinyl for the best experience ever.
THANK YOU! I literally just bought Blizzard of Oz on 180 gram vinyl,and it slipped 3 words into the song. I grew up with vinyl ,my son got me a turntable for Christmas,so I decided ,what the heck,I'll start a collection,now. I see I gotta get a new ...rather old player,I'm going to have to hit the goodwill shops..... disappointing, this Wockoder turntable is pretty nice,now I'm finding out it's junk😐😐☹️
But what if I am a broke teenager who wants records and/or loves the vinyl record culture. I wish I was a teenager right now so I could buy my Crosley and getting my cool $1-$7 records and loving it and poop on all the elder generation dudes who are stuck on their current belief that "it sounds better" . Yeah , it could sound better but ( *im a broke teenager ) what the hell does it matter when in my ears the crosleys with my cheap ass records sound just fine?. I am in my mid thirties and one of the things I remember as a little kid is that records my parents played sounded great and it (the whole ritual) looked great. I have a pretty good set up now because I can afford it but, hey kids : do not trip about not having $100+ record players nor buying box sets nor buying brand new nor exclusive vinyl. I wish I could buy the records I listened to back then ... (30 years ago) not because they were expensive nor exclusive but because there is a sentimental value. and they looked like crap (all beat up) and most likely sounded like crap but to my ears (as in my whole family) it was music. and guess what... I could fine most of them for $7-$10. and they look beat up as in back in the days and sound great. To my fellow older people, stop looking and sounding silly judging on what kids buy nowadays. If it wasn't for the kids right now, the vinyl revival wouldn't have happened. cheers guys and keep enjoying music ! PEACE :)
Great vid. Have had 3 Crosley/All in one type's they all just eventually broke on me. Being a fan of the early Big Band jazz era these units were natural. Decided to get the entry-level HeyDey turntable from Target. Matched it with my bookshelf receiver and speakers. Wow, noticeable difference. Hooked, joined Discogs. Looking to expand.
This was the same story I experienced like you did, but it’s different. During the summer of 2015 I started my record collection. The lp60 was my first turntable. It was good until I heard noticeable skips on a few records and it spun a bit too fast. I took off for a year until going back in the winter of 2017. And then in March of 2017, I upgraded to an atlp120. When I spun some records that skipped from the older model, but thanks to the counterweight and the anti skate, it didn’t skip, but for some records the skip rate is rare. Of course starting a record collection takes spending massive amounts of money and research to get the best setup possible.
Only thing I dont agree on is the wear on records. You will never hear wear if you have a good setup. Why? Because you continue to get used to the very slow degredation. But even if you did compare first spin to another it would have to be a few hundred spins until you could hear a difference, given a 300$ table.
And even on Crosleys it will take a while. Some hyperbolize 5 plays, Id say 50, and thats again if you compare first to last. Theres been tests of this even on youtube.
But if all you can hear is through the Crosley speakers then you will never hear a difference. Because they are bad of course.
you are absoluut right.vinil is not cheap.analoog audio is really really good.i still have my old marantz turn table and stereo marantz amplifier.sounds great i also have a new digitaal amp and the diferents are like day and night.sorry for my english im Spanish and dutch speaking .peace
You've got some top notch stereo equipment with owning Morantz pieces ! As far as the old school receivers go with price listings , the high end models along with Sansuwe , , Yamaha,Bose ,Cerwin Vega and my affordable favorite in Pioneer ! The Morantz receivers are HIGHER than Giraffe PUSSY on E BAY !
I have the Audio Technica LP-120 and it’s very very good, it has counterweight and anti skate and it’s a lot more expensive than the LP60 but very much worth it! I got it on sale at a local shop a block away from my house for $229.99+tax! I bought a $59.99 speaker with it from the same shop! I love it and have had it since February 2020!
It’s things like this that make me hope I’m never called an audiophile. As long as you maintain your records and replace your needles on time there is nothing wrong with all in ones of Crosley record players. This is just personal bias. Are they the most amazing players well no but they also won’t damage your records nearly as fast as the audio snobs like to say. My first record player was an 80s mini system and while it might have scratched records that was on me for not realizing at a young age that needles needed to be replaced, my next record player was an Awia that was an add on to a mini system once that dies I bought the Emerson Heritage edition all in one and have been very pleased with it but recently I decided since I only listen to records I might as well get a decent quality player so I am now in the middle of piecing together a system I want which while yes I want decent performance Equally important to me is that the system looks the way I want. I have a 1924 Victrola I restored that plays my 78s I’ve of my most cherished items
I'm about to upgrade to a new Turn Table. I had a Numark USB for a few years. I'm currently considering the Audio Technica LP120 or the LP5. Budget is £200-300. The Denon DP300 and the REGA Planar 1 are also being considered. I just got The Smiths 2017 Master of 'The Queen is Dead' for £33! So that'll be the first thing I play when I get my new deck.
Your world will change!!
Eddie Hippisley-Cox The Planar 1 is your best option by far.
Matt:- talking about the worst and beat modern turntable
Me: uses a vintage spirit of saint Louis turn table from the eighties.
i got into mayhem and varg burzum recently and i been wanted to listen to there stuff on record, one day i went into a thriftstore one day and seen a panasonic sl-h401 and picked it up , has the anti skate and counter weight etc , paid $25 cad , just needs new needle ... lol hopfully oneday ill be able to hear mayhem on record haha ,
I don’t want to ruin vinyls but I’m starting with a £50-£60 turntable and I don’t want to start with something that could potentially not work well or damage vinyls. Should I just wait until I could buy a more advanced turntable?
The heyday turntable from target is pretty good
It has a adjustable counterweight and anti skate
100% agreed!
Honestly super helpful video! Just getting started with vinyl and I have invested enough in my vinyl records that its well time I get a proper turntable. Thought I had a pretty decent setup with my LP60 but I was clueless about counter weights and anti-skate. Thanks.
Love this attitude :)
My LP60 works perfect, weird.
I was thinking the same thing. When I had a LP60 I must have put 400 records on it and can't remember it ever skipping.
Same for me, currently an upgrade from my crosley
Mines only skipped once and it was because of a problem with the record, not the turntable
The LP60 has been re-releaed. My friend has one and it's not horrible.
yes mine works perfectly
My reason for trying to get vinyl is kind of a sad one. I love buying albums (preferrably CDs) and supporting bands. I'm into a lot indie rock/hardcore/pop punk/emo, but the problem is bands from those scenes are starting to release albums ONLY in vinyl/LP format.
Audiophile?
I grew up using a home stero console player. The majority of the records I have from the 50s' - early 80s' are 45s and some single LPs, not albums. I no longer have the console but I do have an inexpensive record player which I use regurlarly.
It's not a hobby for me. It's what I grew up with.
What is an audiophile or vinylphile? I'm neither.
My LP60 literally never skips unless the record I'm playing is dirty
I love my LP60.
YESSSSS,,,I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID .....OVER 90%,.OF IT!!....BUT TO ME, ANOLOG & VINYL RECORDINGS PERFECTLY CAPTURES & PRESERVES A SMALL MOMENT IN TIME!!.......NOT THESE NEW METHODS OF RECORDING VINYLS FROM A DIGITAL FILE!! BUT YOU'LL NEED $200 TO $300 TO START!!!
Love the Josh Server 'All That' reference for ears 😅!!
The lp60 does have anti skate. It’s just not a setting. I have the LP60x and haven’t had any issues with skipping on my modern vinyl.
Do you think a $170 angels horn is not gonna skip?
is the LP60x really that bad? I haven't had any issues with mine skipping.
The x came out after this video, but ultimately has the same problems as the 60. If something needs tweaking regarding the antiskate and counterweight you're in trouble. I recommend upgrading ASAP if you find yourself loving the hobby :)
Oke, i just got my grandpa's collection after he died, its 300+ records and i am pretty sure some of them are worth something (good condition + from the 70/80's. and some people got really exited when they saw). i have never had vinyl + i am in collage so i am not sure what to do, because i don't think want to get completely into it. But i didn't really know my grandpa so i am hoping by listening to his music to get to know him better. Sadly his record player was broken and als giant (like its as big as my dorm room fridge). All i am sure of is that i need to put everything in new slaves.
So i buy a record player? and is there a way it wont take up my whole home haha
Hey! So, to properly listen to a record and to start to understand why people like vinyl (why vinyl is worth listening to, even) you'll need to invest in a decent starter setup. I would buy an Audio Technica LP120 or a Fluance RT81, and then attach them to a pair of powered speakers (speakers that have their own volume knob basically) and that would be a decent start to listen to and enjoy his records. Shouldn't take up that much room, that is, until you get hooked and expand your collection ;)
Pyle has turntables with weight adjustment & anti-shake for 100, great starter. It’s important to upgrade with parts tho, you don’t need to drop a ton for a great turntable
And the thing is, if you really get into it, it never stops. Sure, you get a decent turntable, maybe a thrift store vintage stereo amp and some decent bookshelves. Sounds pretty good. Now maybe try a more expensive cartridge, a stand-alone phono preamp, better speakers. Sounds even better. Now maybe move to separates, or use your stereo amp as a preamp for a newer more powerful amplifier. Move from a budget phono stage to one that costs what your amp did. Or even more. The sound continues to get better.
And we won't even get into the matter of wiring and cables.
People the OLD SCHOOL TUNER , SPEAKERS and TURNTABLE isn't ROCKET SCIENCE ! Ive owned mostly all brands including Morantz and Yamaha ! High Grade Pioneer Tuner + High Grade PIONEER TOWER SPEAKERS and a TECHNICS TURNTABLE without a need for a pre amp unless you want to shatter WINDOWS ! I also have a 300 DISC SANYO CD PLAYER that'll BEAT THE BRAKES off of any CD player that you can LIST ! The PIONEER TOWER SPEAKERS are nothing short of AMAZING !
It always give me anxiety when people diss Victoria/Crosby All-in-one’s as I stare at my blue victrola all in one-
No need for anxiety! Just don't play anything rare or expensive on it and work towards upgrading whenever you get the funds :)
Ok but what if you bought the crosley before you new anything?
I started with vinyl and got dragged and kicking into cds.. I am not a sterophile I just love the music skips scratches and all!
LP60 is the bare minimum I'd recommend for a beginner. It's perfect for starters. However, if someone already knows they want to start investing (maybe they listen to a friend's setup regularly and want to have their own), I'd say start with U-turn or Fluance. I don't mention the LP120 due to the fact you can't truly bypass the built in phono stage without some surgery.
First thing I'd get is a linear turntable . The record is made that way on a linear machine that cuts the original groove . Tracking is far superior to any standard turntable . Offers great fidelity thru the entire record being played .
Dave Davis linear table? You mean a fixed arm?
Leon thepro yes , whatever you choose to call it . Standard turntables only give optimal audio at certain points of the record . Due to their swing motion .
Dave Davis Yes Im well aware of the geometry problem of vinyl playback. But you said that the cutting lathes are linear too which they are not. Furthermore, there are no non linear tables on the market under like 10000$ that Im aware of, so of course you would fetch a linear table.
Leon thepro every cutting machine I've seen cuts straight across on a fixed armature held steady by chewing gum connected to the ceiling by a wire . My turntable works great an cost less than 40 bucks . I challenge u to find a better system for that price :)
Dave Davis I guess you live in troll city then.
Everyone starts somewhere. You said it yourself you started with a cheap table and then moved up. That's how you get into a hobby. Musicians start with cheap equipment and upgrade as their skill improve, this goes with all hobbies. If we all start with good equipment then we will never appreciate it. And if we start with cheaper equipment and decide its not for us then we are out very little. Most people try things until they find something that they like.
Subbed! I never wanted the suitcase all-in-one record players. It just seemed to defeat the purpose. I want the TRUE vinyl experience and sound.
Welcome!
Why because its the sound is so much better and i like the physical thing
I got a Victrola with built-in speakers at Walmart and no matter how much I clean my modest collection of 11 records they pretty much all skip. I thought if I got some plastic sleeves to replace the default paper ones it would help but all it did was make the album cover bulky and putting them back in a hassle. Glad I found this so I know it’s not just me being stupid.....mostly not me being stupid. Any way I can get sleeves that don’t bulk up the album cover?
Never mind. Watched another video and realized I got sleeves that go around the whole album. 😑
Thanks buddy. Been telling people for years how expensive this hoppy is.
Really good question WHY because i have one potentional reason of this )))
Early ive been collecting just CDs, then decided to buy vinyls because: they looks uniq, some of them not quite easy to find, and some of the albums i love are existing just on such format. Later i got into tapes. Trying to keep em fresh and unplayed/sealed because i can listen the such thing on PC. But with a time i realise the records really gives another feel about playing and even collecting with a free space to storage them ha ha). And it really depends on the equipment you use while listening. I already spoiled one my fav (and pretty limited version of a record) with my grandfather's Panasonic National turntable from the 60es. Later got the turntable 3 in one (not Crosley but similar with a construction) and played a few records on it - surely it didnt brought the sound i looked for so later i bought average new one and still have a problems with it's adjustment and installment. Hope i can fix all the things in the future that not allows me to finally enjoy the sound i really wish to hear with my not bad active speakers.
Sometimes i regret about holding all of the vinyls cos as you said Matt - it's quite expensive hobby. Trying to resell some of my collection to earn additional cash on more records i want and it seems eternal and it really caused on a space to hold all of them...in anyway...i love what im buying, collecting and listen and i think that motivates me to live...really : D
P.S. Thanks for all the videos you making for us Matt. Love to enjoy every good thoughts and advices that goes from you to our ears )
Great video , Keep it up !