3D Printing A Better Battleforce Box For a Fraction of the Cost
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- What a challenge this was, thankfully Games workshop take a very long time to release the products they announce otherwise I would've been late. I 3d printed an admech battleforce boxset but I tried to stay under $210 which should be possible when 3d printing warhammer models..right?
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Standard mars if fun but a metallica paint job is really nice as well
Standard mars cult could be good to really show the comparison of 3d printing however personal I like the idea of gritty grey and blues perhaps to give off the dark mechanicous or at least a poorer machine cult based on the fringes of the Imperium. Either way looking forward to seeing how they turn out .
2:43 That's sadly how it goes with this hobby. Cults 3D just had a massive purge of 40k-esque models this last weekend. There was a few I'd had my eye on to pick up but I just dithered for too long. Lesson 1; get it while you can and keep a back-up archived!
Yeah a lot has been hit I've said before and I'll say it again if you like it get it there and then
yeah, there was that knight model that sadly got purged that i completely forgot to download it. lesson learned though, gonna start downloading every model i want to print eventually as soon as i see it
Great video - And the fact you jumped in with a bonus second army really hits the point home at how wonderful this hobby can be.
The answer is pretty universally "Yes" if you can find the STL's. The 1 for 1's are out there but pretty aggressively guarded by the 3d printing community due to GW's dmca tendencies and Admech being called the money-hammer" faction due to the cost per point.
There have been in-depth cost analysis regarding manufacturing costs for GW before.
Big costs are the injector, and plates with a $100,000 price tag on the extreme end for the plates, which can last up to a million runs.
Whatever GW pays their sculptors, considering GW's business behavior history 100% expect it to mirror Disney's "We own everything you make while here."
I've done deep dives into cost analysis and financials for GW before and they exist entirely in unicorn land as far as return on investment is concerned with their profits often being more than double GW's operational cost. They could afford, rather easily, to make the hobby easy to get into but that's never been how GW works.
I don't doubt that some molds cost up to $100,000. I'm just wondering how common that is, even among GW's range. They aren't spending that much for those special promotional model kits that get sold for one day, and never again.
Other manufacturers of plastic models show you can put out kits at a price point and _volume_ far more customer-friendly than GW. GW just wants more money.
@@Bluecho4 Oh well aware of it, I'm using that particular $100,000 mold on purpose (is for large body multiple hollow steel plates) as a to-prove-a-point, the average for things like gunpla & models (the closest things to 40k) hardly ever get over $3,000 per set-plate. There are also ways to drastically reduce the cost of plates like using thermally resistant resins to create incredibly cheap (we're talking tens of dollars here) molds....
You have to thank this moron making explicit videos about the sites where he found them so they get DMCAed to death by GW and the files vanish/get purged. And the modelers who spend tens of hours (unlawfully) remodelling GW's products don't even get the 1 to 3 $/€ they expected for their work so they won't try the hussle anymore. Can't blame them. But it's all good because Battle Brother Sam was able to make a video about it that buzzed so he got cash. Yay.
@@the_arcanum There's the other way, ninja ripper, noesis, blender (for resizing, putting in a skeleton to pose things & to part them,) then into cura/lychee/prussia, name that slicer, ect but that's a lot more work than most are willing to put into a project
Would you know of any printing communities out there that have those one for ones? Totally asking for a friend 😅
Really enjoying your videos. Specifically the candid, transparent and friendly nature. Keep it up. Looking forwards to a bit of more variety eventually. Cheers.
Seeing you showing your failed prints really builds my confidence in you telling the truth, I appreciate it a lot!
This is why I got a 3D printer. To print all the armies I can’t afford
Same here brother
How much did it cost, plus how much does the resin costs you (i know there's many kinds and brands but.. in average), plus tools and other material and how much of your time does it take up?
I'm not dissing, I'm just curious.
Same for me. One of the best decisions I've ever made.
@@d-emprahexpects849 it’s a whole mother hobby. There have been times when I want to give it up. Cost wise, it’s much much cheaper, but more time consuming
@@thomaswilliams5005 interesting. I did my research on 3D printers and resins etc and its not the cost that kept me away, it's the time investment into learning, maintenance, cleaning... Not to speak of the hassle of assembling resin. F*ck me I hate superglue and pinning stuff 😅
I just got done printing the leaders from Station Forge, and 20+ infantry. Their tanks printed without issue as did the transport. Love them.
I recently spent around a grand a Saturn 2 3D printer setup and I've yet to print anything warhammer related, but I am super excited! I'm new to 3D printing, but it's honestly been a blast so far!
Watching your videos was one of the primary reasons I got a 3D printer and I am loving it! I don't play 40k, but I love the models and painting them. It's so much fun and there's so much freedom in being able to make your own minis!
Cheers! Your channel is so helpful and informative. Especially for some one like me who has yet to jump in the 3D pool.
Who thinks Sam should start a Nids army!!
Hive Delta has amazing STLs
Agreed
Brother that was brilliant love the box set comparison. Hope you do more like this.
3:02 I might be wrong, but your resin doesn’t look mixed up properly, which may affect your prints as well.
Usually, if I leave my resin out for too long, it’ll start to separate into a white layer on bottom and a black layer on top. It kind looks like your prints pulled that white layer up when it finished and started rising back up.
Remember, your resin needs to be shaken, not stirred.
I’m having the same printing issues. At first I thought weak presupports were the main culprit. But after trying multiple creators’ files, it quickly became apparent it wasn’t. The fep isn’t damaged but probably worn out. Replacements have been ordered. 😊
They very often have sales for the STLs as well to further lower the costs. I never had issues with the supports of Stationforge.
Awesome, it's good to see my faction on the channel. Well done brother
Awesome please give me tips on what to print for a 2k army please lol
@@battlebrothersam definitely recommend ironstrider ballistarius with lascanons, they move pretty quick and can put out a lot of damage. the file I use got taken down but I'm sure you'll be able to find another one. or I could send you the files somehow.
Just got the same bunch from station forge....I'm almost ready for a printer. I've worked with a Prusa Filament printer years ago. It was too much like having a new career at ha time.
Looks like these printer are so much better and user friendly. Great series THANKS!
Literally wanted to print skitarri for my brother after watching your vids and then this came out! Love your videos man!!
I’ve only JUST found your channel. Your videos are incredible and laid out perfectly! An easy sub from me (:
I love your videos and am learning a lot about how to print and what the printers are capable of! How much do you get to play?
This is great! You convinced me to pull the trigger on an "alternative" skitari army.
Because of you, I bought the mars 2 Pro from elagoo for €135 during the black friday sale, I'm going to try and print out the custodes. No idea when I will have time to do so, but I will let you know lol
Awesome job man! Would love to see more of that Dark Mech! ;D
Thanks! Yeah I think I like the dark mech more
@@battlebrothersam same! I plan to print DarkMech as well after I'm done with AoS stuff
What layer height settings do you have your printer at? 0.5 or 0.2?
Really enjoy your videos! My only question is, do you play the game with these models? Or are they just for looking awesome on the shelf?
I've always wanted to get into 3D printing models, but most tournaments/players at my LGS spit at 3d printed armies.
3:48 are perfect models for original chaos androids/necrons
Hey sam I just got into 3d printing from your videos and was wondering what resin would you recommend and where to buy it from?
can you send a link for both of the cawl proxies that you used?
How do you ventilate when 3D printing resin?
sorry for long comment but i feel like i should drop some wisdom i have picked up over the years
as some one who has printed more then 30+ full size armies I highly recommend you spend the time to learn how to support your own models for a few different reasons.
1. everyone uses different printer size beds have different lift heights, speeds and burn in layer settings these can all effect the chance of success.
2. every one uses different types or resin. Some resin is more or less brittle than others and supports may not work for all due to this reason
3. the slicing software some times can make a huge difference in success or failure sometimes when a model was supported in lychee but u use chitu software to slice it can result in failure
here are some ways to combat these issue from arising and to avoid failures as much as posable
1. when supporting models use more supports then u think is needed. I recommend using 1-3 heavy supports(place the heavy ones on the feet and first contact areas of the model) then use a mix of medium and light supports to fill the gaps. (pros ) u wont get many fails at all this way (cons) allot of supports to clean up and also wasted resin.
2. increase your burn in (first layers) times and also increase the lift height and decrease your lift speed. (pros) better quality and less chance of failure (cons) longer print times and can be hard to get model off build plate so don't go too crazy.
3. do not for any reason change your resin type. color wont matter u can mix the same type of resin even if its different colors but once u change resin all ur settings will be compromised and u will sometimes have to tweak many settings witch can cause fails and frustration. (pros) less fails and you can keep pushing your quality to failure balance (cons) some times the resin u choose will go up and down in price witch can be a pain I recommend buying bulk when it goes on sale on amazon etc.
4. goes with out saying but cleanliness and maintain your machine. u will need to replace the FEP fairly regularly as a rule I usually change it once every 50 or so prints also i recommend a full clean out once a week just to clean off the FEP make sure threes no dents or creases if it looks questionable replace it. u dont want reason all over ur screen FEPs are cheap dont risk damage to your screen
any ways great video mate keep em comin
Take this with a big grain of salt as I'm fairly new to resin printing but, assuming that shot of UVTools is showing only 3 islands detected (the next section being resin traps?), that seems pretty good to me. Even models with great pre-supports will usually show a few tiny islands in UVTools, in my admittedly limited experience.
Yeah it was 3 small islands which is why I printed them because I didn't think they would affect it but like I said it's the first time using uvtools, usually I use photon file validator and don't have any islands on my supports so that was my base for comparison
Final some free time to watch this one bud 👌🏻 great as always. Printy Boiz!! Need to stick together 😉
hey man, I just got my elegoo saturnm and well it was DOA, it doesnt read CTB files or work through network
Few things are more Mechanicus-appropriate than 3D printing!
This is the truth it feels right 😂
Love TMC from my searches they have the best looking and best priced minis out there as well as covering a wide range of factions that's not space marines lol. Even as a patron I'm certainly feeling my money's worth every month, would love to see you do a TMC base Nid army but I'd also think OPR is the the only other patreon I have that matches TMC however I guess you could have OPR on the back burner if you plan to do a sisters of battle version as they're working on the SOB range for this months release I believe if not next month.
Is there a place where people *fairly* trade purged 3d printed models? Is joining the discord a place for requests like you mentioned in the video?
I’d like to see a comp between the valor korp and station forces Krieg.
UV tools is fantastic. Love that app
I'm looking forward to see this army painted
Yes... Painting....i forgot I'll have to paint these... And the 66 orks from a couple weeks ago lol
@1:40 and @3:04 My man, you need to stir up that resin WAY more! Resin separates after some time, make sure what's in the vat is properly mixed through and shake the bajeezus out of a bottle before adding in to the vat. Improperly mixed resin can cause failures as well, so better make sure everything's mixed well!
Lol yes...this was a concoction of abs like mixed with standard, stirred greatly prior to printing but seperated whilst printing
Another great video bro, print all the army's!!!!!
UVTools is such a great tool! I also use it as part of my process and I'm barely scratching the surface of what it can do.
Well if you have barely scratched it I have merely tickled it lol
@@battlebrothersam Best advice I can give is leave the default settings for the auto repair, run the auto repair twice (maybe 3 times depending) and whatever islands, resin traps and suction cups are left after that are the more egregious ones to look at. Also learn to use the pixel editing tool and the Difference tool to see if maybe there is a support tip going to an island, but the tip is just too small.
more ad mechanicus, please!! if/when i get a printer ad mec is gonna be the first lot i wanna build
Out of curiosity, of the people who print unit substitutes for units/armies, how many tables/shops/people let you use em to play?
Never had a problem with my private gaming group and the local hobby store. But the local GW store is as toxic as they can be. If you ever meet someone that adamantly says no to your 3D printed Army, ditch them. They’re not worth playing with, as they probably are also the type of player that brags about his expensive models he only bought as a pay-to-win method for tournaments/battles. most of those guys are idiots
Those Dark Mechanicum minis are dope!
They are great
How much was it just in resin cost ?
I really wanna see the dark mechanicum army since I love me some admech but with some tasteful chaos
Ah a brother of taste I see 😁😁
Looks really great. I guess Admech joins the list of future armies :D
Thanks brother! It does indeed although I'm not sure which one to pour my time into
@@battlebrothersam Well for me it's easy. Bought a ton of Marine files & want make my custom chapter :D (Thanks btw. your videos contributed to my decision to get into the 3D printing hobby! :D )
Hello! I want to get into 3d printing for W40k terrain (and those true scale terminators) but im not sure what printer to get? I have seen you use a mars 3 pro (I think) and now the Saturn. What printer would you recommend? Any help would be great, love your content.
Budget aside I would recommend a saturn just for the size of the printing plate. Where you might print one squad on a saturn you'll need at least 2 runs on a mars. Likewise if you're looking to produce bigger pieces a saturn will make more sense.
@@Ashes2ashes303 Fantastic, thanks for the info brother.
@@paittenmedicineeagle4559 there's no wrong choice between the two anyway
TBH the Lyche auto supports are KILLER good, just saying.
I'll be honest never used uv tools but auto support on chitu box works really well
First time using it, I think it's good for a safety net incase
Crispy Prints. And pretty nice proxys. But doo you really need to change the FEp after 4-6 onths? I only change it when it rips.Otherwise i just relevel the Plate from Time to Time.
It probably should be sooner with the amount I print lol I was printing non stop for 2 weeks and just had a string of failures, how many times have you changed the fep?? Lol maybe I change it too soon
@@battlebrothersam On my Mars 3 only once because i destroyed it. My mars 1 went without changing it for roughly a Year before i destroyed the FEP.
Hey Sam. Do you paint and play these armies?
Very nice. Do you plan on doing necromunda gangs as well?
You can make a whole leagues of votan army for under 200 bucks lol
Maybe I should bite the bullet and do them
The price of these models just shows why its crazy to not just be a patreon member.
FOR THE TRUE OMNISIAH!!!
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lookin good! :-)
Thanks Brent 😁
where do i get the discord
my only problem with 3d printing a 40k army is and will likely always be the same unless GW release STL (which they may do in the future but it's not worth for them making that right now sadly) is that while it looks great and I love some of those alternative model ... they're just not the original one.
and as such It can't be used in tournament, I can't play with them at event in my local Warhammer store, some of our local gaming group have a "gw model only" rules, etc.
so ultimately for me it's not worth right now, and even of I had printed some beautiful 3d sculpt, I still buy the original kit to not be blocked
That’s very toxic of them. Better search a group and place to play at where they’re not as toxic about models. Most private owned hobby stores are much, much more open about it
Can you go into more detail about the creators of the STL files next time. Love the content .
Thanks! I certainly could do, what sort of info are you looking for?
@@battlebrothersam where can i find the STL for the destroyers?
A friend saw my screen while i was watching your video and said : this guy looks like Zelinsky after boxing.. just sharing no offense
Dark Mechanicum all the way!😊
Sooo; I'm trying to cast an ad mech army out of Copper, Aluminum, Brass or Silver to play with some friends. Preordered a Saturn 3 and plan on using powercast wax resin, currently building an electric kiln for some molds. If anyone has some stl files or have a great idea of where I could find some Adeptus Mechanicus models please @ me, I'd like them pretty close to GW's models so it's hard to tell apart (idgaf about intellectual property arguments, they make plenty of money of their franchise of lore and are not offering the market what it desires, metal casted figures should cost the price they charge for shitty plastic).
"From the moment I realized the weakness of plastic, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of casted metal." - Magos Dominus Reditus, realizing plastic was expensive and frail.
Do a Tau army next, Pipemakes has some incredible files
There's a perfect robot model out there called chronic trigger idol or something
You've peaked my interest
@@battlebrothersam unfortunately it seems to have been taken down. I have the files stored locally.
Why did it cost $130? That seems pretty expensive for a 3D printed army, what else are you factoring besides resin and files?
That was for all the files and the resin, it's 2 armies @ full price
@@battlebrothersam Oh I see, that makes a lot of sense, thanks Sam. I guess I'm so use to purchasing units for my armies over time, that I don't realize how much I'm actually spending for the whole thing lol
Do you share stl files on the discord server?
At least all those failed Destroyers can be repurposed as junk. Either as basing elements, or in terrain.
I was gonna do the same with the knights lol
I should've done that it would've been 100x easier
now you need to paint your things. =D
Do I really? Lol
@@battlebrothersam XD bur seriously. please do, it's hard to find refference of stl miniatures painted, and because of that sometimes is hard to discover what is what on a miniature.
Oh my God it's my wish come true, 3d printed admech!!!!!
😁😁😁 I'll need advice on what to print for 2k pts
@Battle Brother Sam I think the strategy was to have a 20 man squad of Rangers with no special weapons so they don't cost much and can be a wall of guns.
Also I bought my first resin printer bc of you, I've been collecting some files and have yet to find skitarii lol
What do you think of Heroes Infinite? They include a lot of horny models yes, but they also seem to have a lot of really good quality terrain, and GW adjacent models. I'm very impressed with their space elf range.
God i love your vibe
We need the same video for dg)
Ryza will rise again!
Funny, I've been flexing on my admech friend for a while. I've even printed a sexy dominus (or domina to be precise) for him. Give it some more time and he's gonna ask me what printer I'm using. Little strokes fell big oaks!
I cant speak for ad mech but I can confirm you can print a grey knights combat patrol box for about $57.60 :P
Stationforge pre supports are pish
Well uhh I can't use those in a tournament sadly.
Dark Machanicus all the way!
Yes
Your channel is a inspiration, all I see elsewhere are people happy/resigned to pay these awful GW prices (and this is on channels that use 3d printers quite often) but I seems they have to take the knee to appease the GW overlords and not use this Heretical tech in the same videos. I think they are doing a huge injustice to their fans and patrons not exploring like you are the alternative sculpts and options that GW just doesn't give or over charges for..... keep up the good work and If I had the cash I would defiantly support you on patron.
Could you do a tau army
Big question now is when will you paint them? LOL
Ummm well you see the thing is I Ummm ran out of paint and my brush broke so maybe next year?? Lol I might have to just take a week or 2 and plow through all the shame
Do you really have the printer in ur livingroom ?
No?lol its in a cupboard in the room I work in
@@battlebrothersam oh ok
My primary issues with those prints is that those models just dont look like the real stuff, i dont mind subtle changes but if it just looks like something compleeteeeleyy different thats not even lore related anymore, how am i playing warhammer?
You could say "why would every Forge World have units that look all the same as Mars' (GW's models). The Dark Mechanicum would certainly look very different than GW's Admech models.
Just a quick question. I followed all your videos and I got a great deal on a printer and have had amazing success printing off the entire new custodes box with free files. It was a test to see if I could make my money back and to learn more about 3d printing which I did.
I just watched another well known youtuber release a new video about starting 3d printing, he would be influencing newbies to doing what he recommends, but he starts off with condemning free files, and instead subscribe to a creator with a subscription service, who also happen to be sponsoring the video. Now this alone may not be a big thing, you can get a lot of benefits supporting creators and downloading high quality files, but in the same video he talks about not spending loads of money starting off and that he bought a nail lamp when he could have cured them outside. Seems a bit contradictory, don't spend money if you can help, but do to support me.
I would argue he has a responsibility as a renown content creator to advice people accurately, but I'm not sure his motives are entirely honest. What does anyone else think?
Hey that's awesome you printed the new box, I'm really struggling to find files for custodes especially the standard guard, any chance you could recommend some files or the websites you found them on?
@@drewski430 I wouldn't be able to share any links here I'm afraid. But if you search the usual sits and search custard, janitor, banana boys. You should find some which will lead to others. That's how I did it anyway
Failed presupported files = dead stuff to use as basing materials. But I've found stationforge supports suck. You can get a decent print if you put them through uv tools and add a few choice supports yourself. It saves you only a little bit of time though.
Is that even a surprise? I mean it’s obvious that printing an army yourself is cheaper than buying one. It’s also cheaper to build a house on your own than hire someone to do it.
Don’t get me wrong great video with some nice models, but the question you asked was kinda irrelevant. Personally I think it would be a cool format if you showcase cool proxies you found on the internet, thus supporting original content creators.
Yeah that's why I done dark mech
Do tau
Stationforge pre-supports fail often. They are hit and miss. And I am a merchant tier supporter. I have to check every model and repair if necessary prior to advertising for sale.
I'm glad someone else said it, I've got a lot of comments saying they have had no problems but all I've seen is bad reviews on them
I think you hammer too much on the pre-support issues. Most of the time they'll print ok anyway. You put too much emphasis on things being perfect. And I also think you overstate the risk to the vat / printer. There is certainly value to be had in reviewing different qualities of supports - but I think it comes up too much every episode.
Use a screen protector for your printer and then just print away.
It is truly disappointing to see STL files overpriced because of the plastic models costing too much. It feels like the creator is exploiting the fomo. Some examples are ghamak or davale ( way too much) and one should take into consideration the fuss of 3d printing and especially the argument that you can print as many as you like, for hero miniatures this argument is false. I like to support other creators that produce high quality and cheap stls such as suttungr, rnestudio and the free stls from cults 3d that I do not want to mention (in order to avoid GW) that brought to us daemons and even belakor...
A cost of 7 and above dollars for one stl file (if it doesn't include at least some alternative build) is overpriced since you only buy a digital product that has no guarantee that it will print smoothly...just my thoughts.
I’m not sure if I’m ok with this… I believe as 3D printing catches on, prices will increase for the real thing. As soon as GW feels the hurt to their profits and it negatively hurt us that legitimately buy their products. I feel 3D printing is ok as long as they were 100% banned in tournament play. These are my thoughts and concerns, perhaps someone can change my mind?
3d print all you want but you can't take them to a tournament so what is the point? Its such a weird "flex" to spend money on something you can't use except at home. Basically useless for 99.9999999999% of people.
You do realise tournament play is only 1 aspect of the hobby....
They are too different for my tastes. The aesthetic matters to me.