The 400i is my favorite ship in the game in terms of design, and so I pledged for it. However, as gorgeous as it is, it wasn't useful for any kind of gameplay and I found myself leaving it in the hangar in favor of other ships that were better than it (such as my corsair). However, I still kept my 400i assuming that when exploration gameplay is added I'd find use for it. That was before the nerf. Then the nerf came, and I've been shaking my head ever since. The *entire purpose* of the 400i was to be able to go exploring in style, and if you found yourself in a hot zone you could high-tail it out of there (flight, not fight). To help with this it had a high top speed, rear turrets to provide cover fire for your retreat, and power plant and cooler redundancy so if you lost one you wouldn't be dead in the water (and a crew member could repair or replace it while keeping the ship flying). Between master modes and the nerf, where does the 400i now sit? Consider you're out in the verse, come under attack, and need to get out of there. What does that now look like? Well: - All ships are significantly faster in nav mode than in scm, so you switch to nav mode to get away from danger as fast as is possible. But, your nav mode speeds have now been nerfed, so your get away isn't as fast as it used to be. Still, nav mode is faster than scm, so you should be able to get away from danger. I mean, that's what rear-facing defensive turrets and your massive shield are for, right? They are to help you survive long enough to make your escape. - Except that in nav mode, those defensive turrets no longer work. So they are, for all intents and purposes, worthless to you. Nothing more than ornamentation, as they are only meant to cover your retreat (the 400i was never meant to be a fighter). - Also, in nav mode your shields no longer work either, you only have them while in scm. So that big fat shield that's supposed to help you survive long enough for you to make your get away: yep, it's totally worthless to you. - Also, you only have 1 power plant and 1 cooler (nerfed down from the 3 of each you previously had): so if weapons fire (and again, it doesn't even have to be ballistics here, as your shield is down while you're making your escape in nav mode) hits *either* your cooler *or* your power plant, you are dead in the water. Add to that its previous defects: super small cargo area, cargo area size and clearance that limits you to not being able to carry anything but the *smallest* of vehicles, poor handling, &c., and what you have is a ship that looks amazing on the showroom floor, but is absolutely worthless for anything other than sitting out on the showroom floor. Ironically, the 400i and the corsair are about the same size and pledge price point. And yet the corsair --- which is supposed to be a ship made of shoddy components and craftsmanship, but with lots of big guns strapped to it --- has 2 power plants and 2 coolers, whereas the high-end luxury ship doesn't even have that basic redundancy. Oh, and how does the corsair currently compare to the 400i (based on default loadouts and stats from erkul): same max speeds; same roll, pitch, and yaw rates; corsair has *6 times* the pilot controlled dps; same size shields (but the corsair has a beefier default loadout); corsair has nearly twice the cargo capacity; and corsair has double the hydrogen and quantum full tanks (wait, isn't the 400i also supposed to be an explorer?). Oh, and did I mention that I can fit my nursa in my corsair?... Sure, the 400i has a bunch of missiles, but I'm baffled as to why: it's not (and never was) meant to be a missile boat, and you can't use those missiles while you're running away in nav mode. So yeah, it is good that CIG somehow found a way to nerf the 400i further. Because, you know, it was so op to begin with...
My fav ship too. I was soo mad when they nerfed it I stopped playing for month. Then upgraded to StarLancer MAX and Zeus ES which was proberbly CIG's masterplan...
400i was the first ship I bought with lti. Is currently the only original lti ships i own that hasn't been changed Zeus is awesome as well but i did not get lti but instead CCUED my titan to add another rsi ship to collection 😊
My biggest gripe with the Zeus class is the narrowed entrance. That was clearly an intentional gimp to stop it carrying Ursa sized vehicles and it comes at the cost of making loading cargo awkward. Really disappointing. Also single turret should have been on top.
If we look at modern luxury cars like a Bentley (400i) not only is it beautiful and luxurious but its a beefy car, got pick up and speed etc all the things you'd expect if you paid ALOT for the top of the pile vehicle. I feel like CIG has missed this idea with the 400i its pretty has some beefy shields but in a world where cars had guns on them the Bentley would have good guns and be a force..400i looks pretty and could/can take a beating but its puny weapons are outclassed by every single ship in its weight class by a considerable amount (Taurus, Connies and until recently corsair) it desperately deserves a gold standard that brings it into it deserved slot in game, luxury, and at least a competitor to "budget" ships in same class but in real world comparison should be better than them!!
I remember hearing from somewhere that the entire Origin ship team was hired away from CIG, which is why we get RSI everything and everything Origin has been on the back burner. Hopeful they get this all sorted out soon. In the meantime my warbond 400i is in my buyback bin.
I will stick to my 400i. It’s the first “big” ship I desired and even ccued my non meltable referral to. I thought about upgrading even further since it’s just a hangar trophy… but I just can’t say goodbye. Just hope one day I can get her the meridian skin to make her perfect
@@infinitespace239 The 890 and 600 too big and cumbersome for a luxury runabout, the 400 is perfect. The Zeus is not a luxury ship, the ES infact just looks like the CL version with a smaller cargo bay. What I would like to get my hands on is the spirit luxury version..
The still fluid nature of SC is very frustrating - it seems that CIG is continuously changing their vision, or possibly has no vision and is simply changing course all the time pursuing the latest shiny thing (squirrel!?). If there was a clear vision then the ships would fit in at their described (on the RSI website) places and there would be no need for the wild nerfs/buffs to ships we currently see.
There will be no 415p because that's already the 400i. I can see a 425a though if CIG knows what's good for their bank account. A 450r would be funny, but somehow more useless than the current state of the 400i.
@@Mindbulletz I think you'll find the 100i is classed as a starter/touring and the 400i is also classed as touring. The 315p is a pathfinder as would i suspect the 415p would be. CIG changed the 400i's role 3 years ago soon after it came out.
@@Mindbulletz The 100i is starter/touring and the 400i is also touring. The 315p is a pathfinder as i imagine the 415p would be too. So yes very easily there could be a 415p and even a 450r- notice how in real life there are different classes in motor sport?
Great video, thanks. I'm unsure about the two ships. I was intrigued when you mentioned that the 400i would be a better explorer. Why do you think that, considering that the 400i’s radar and fuel tanks are medium-sized, while both the radar and fuel tanks on the Zeus ES are large?
Because it should be better, it is a class 4 and Zeus is size 3. Sadly Zeus is overpowered and better right now than 400i. We will see in the future. o7
@@infinitespace239 Thank you for responding. I understand your point, as there are precedents, but the radar size, fuel tanks, and the four shields were key selling points on the launch page. The Zeus is a relatively small ship with a radar the size of the Carrack's (though the Carrack has two). This detail stood out to me, and the radar and tank sizes are precisely what differentiate the ES variant from the others, which have different advantages. If the radar or tanks are reduced, the ES variant loses its selling point. If the 400i ends up being better, that would need to happen through a buff to the 400i. For now, I'll keep a CCU for this case. Thanks again.
@@gamsc The speed was one of the selling points of the 400i and they didn't hessitate in taking that away so, in the long run it SHOULD be better because it is bigger and more expensive. I remember they sold the 400i as a Connie competitor when it was nowhere near to the Connies in specs, so all we have to do is wait and see what CIG will do to improve the 400i. I believe a rework is inevitable.
It would be cool if there was 400i possibility to float on water or other liquids. As i remember there were talks about this future option for 890 serie ?
Interesting they put the extinguisher inside the 400i fridge... I kind of hoped and assumed the climate controlled rooms purpose was to already help prevent fires... making it more solo friendly
They can nerf all they want. The Origin 400i is still lackluster in every way outside of "rule of cool." The Zeus on the other hand is both subjectively good looking, AND useful.
I love my 400i but its a shame that its always a buggy mess... The texture bugs at the lower level and the elevator Display bug are there for months and still not fixed. Its a pain for everyone who pledged the 400i and a big no go.
I loved cruising around with the 400i, but I did sell mine a few weeks ago to get store credit ready for the IAE. Might be going for a Pioneer. That being said, as a former 400i owner I do take offense to being compared to a ruddy little ignoramus like Musk.
I wouldn’t be concerned about the 400i yet with components. They are doing a balance pass due to engineering and blah blah. It’ll find its home.. redundant components is almost useless now when you can swap them out but that’s not how I viewed this ship. I saw this ship as the overclocking dream. All the extra components allowed for that. Maybe once they get the baseline for all ships we will see some love back to this ship.
400i needs a complete rework... it's got so many design flaws compared to any other ships in its class. Unfortunately for us CIG is taking the things they learned and apply them to their new ships, while neglecting the old ones, which is sad.
Melted my 400i and got the Zeus CL but missing the shields and HP of the 400i as the Zeus gets destroyed fast doing high level bounties. But I can´t justify the 400i right now with all the nerfs.
I have a Zeus mk2 MR (ES Loaner) and a 400i that's been my daily driver since Luminalia 2950. I love the work that's been put into the Zeus series, but for now, the 400i is just the clear winner for most things. Faster and more maneuverable, the 400i can keep its dual S4s on target easier. And with an STV in the hold, nearly every type of game play can be accomplished.
No long endurance kitchen. Maybe a few sandwiches, but that's it. Btw - power distribution is handled differently between ships - use Erkul to compare these two and you'll see what I mean.
I don't think it should be function vs beauty. Instead these ships should be designed so that the 400i is a better ship but more costly to purchase and maintain. CIG making is making choices I cannot support or understand.
I want to love the 400i, but the cockpit sucks! I don't get that premium feeling from it. It just feels boring. I think you should have the pilot and copilot terminals up against the glass (like in a real yacht) and a captain's chair behind. and the screens should be more imaginative than floating holograms.
going from the Zeus ES to the 400i isn't necessarely "progressing", it's just a matter of trading efficiency for luxury, which isn't something absurd itself.
I agree, but it was made like that, as a progress. Ship had 3 x all components and speed of, i think 1350 very rare ships could catch it. Now it just looks nice
its so sad.. 400i is the only origin ship i like and iv wanted to pledge it for some time and now i have an opportunity to CC it for 5 dollars... but .. this nerf keeps pulling me back.. night be smart so just wait another year... sigh
@infinitespace239 better Citizen than i am.. i cant seem to gather the balls needed to do the upgrade... i even have a 10% discount code i could use to i can upgrade the zeus cl to 400 i for 25 dollars.. should be easy cos it seems i dont really like the zeus as much as i thought i would.
Stick to the 400i. I got both and I will keep my 400i even though I got a Zeus Mr in the same class, but I will have the 600i become an actual big ship. Won’t be soloing her anyways after engineering hits
I know I'm the odd one here, but somehow all the Origin ships rub me the wrong way. To me they seem to be painfully obviously form before function, and I don't even like the form. All the weird roundish and bendy parts somehow make them "uneralistic" to my eyes. I'm talking about the "spoilers" of 300 series for example. The same thing irks me about the MISC ships, and some Anvil ships like the Hurricane. The wings really put me off. I guess I'm not made to appreciate the finer art and style. The RSI Dorito shape and exterior language with a more luxurious Phoenix style interior would be peak design for me.
The art to enjoying Star Citizen is to let CIG do their job, REBALANCING is critical for making common sense of all its components/features and gameplay, that will see Chris Roberts vison eventually come to fruition. When we brought into the game, we accepted theTOS: ''DISCLAIMER: These are our current vehicle specifications. Some of this may change during the 3D design and game balancing process''. This disclaimer is on every ship 'OVERVIEW' page, its not rocket science, its there to be understood, far to many so called backers are just living in denial, they think a little moaning will stop the forward march of development......it wont, it cant we have now moved beyond that stage. Everything about the 400i is poor, its interior is a hairdreser/nail salon, the seated views are nonsense, the loading ramp is just awkward, and Origin ships are 'hideous', 600i included. People need to stop this ''nerfing'' nonsense, its childish and needy, everything is in flux and will recieve a REBALANCE at some point possibly mamn, many times. I like the Meridian paint on the 400i.
@@davewills148 400 i is the most beautiful ship in Star Citizen period. As for the rest, I agree but they are abusing their power. Why every new ship is OP and then get nerfed when a new ship is launched??? Why didn't they at least one time brought underpowered ship in the game and then rebalance it to better? I think CIG is not to be blaimed but marketing team, and they have to do as they are told. o7
@@infinitespace239 I do agree with your new policy, one which i myself have adopted, and works brillantly, ''dont get attached to a ship, buy whats current , anjoy it, melt and move on. I melted every ship i owned, from the : Endeavor master set/Galaxy IAE Pack/Liberator/Odyssey/Starliner, and aload more, now enjoy the Zeus and soon the Polaris/Starliner. Enjoy,
I don’t understand.. the 400i is more of a luxury small explorer. I do t think it should be more powerful than the rough and ready Zeus.. its not a fighter
I dont like this Yacht feeling ot the 400i. To be honest, I dont like any Origin ship. For me, it looks like 1990s James Bond (played by Pierce Brosnan) So, If you feel the 400i. If you want to be this Jeff Bond (played by Elon Brosnan) in the verse, stay with the 400i: Play the game and dont look at stats or numbers. I have pledged for the zeus CL and I love this ship, despite the fact, the Freelancer MAX is better and less expansiv.
I've disliked negative discussion about CIG development and wanted to focus on positive topics, but CIG ship development is awful now. Old ships get nerfed just so new ships can look great to increase sales. Nerfing older ships doesn't matter since they are past their initial sales and all that matters is making the new ships look like a great purchase. I hate being bitter about this but I feel completely let down.
In no way under the sun is the 400i an upgrade from the Zues..... Not even close. You're confusing the "luxury tax" as an upgrade point. It isn't... The Zues and the 400i are neck to neck by comparison, and the Zues comes out over the top by utility alone. The 400i will shine when they implement high value, VIP contracts that you can only pickup if you have an E-1, 400i, 600i, 890J, Phoenix, or any other luxury ship I might have missed. Outside of that, the Zues is arguably the better choice. Remember these "taxes" when making ship purchases and you find yourself puzzled by an exaggerated cost. They all incur a hike in their pricing. Everytime. *Alien *Armor *Luxury *Personnel Transport
@infinitespace239 i watched the entirety of your video. I'm trying to tell you that it's not meant to be a whole upgrade over the Zeus. If anything, a side grade. As in, one is good at some things while the other is good at something else. Your argument throughout the whole video was that the 400i is so bad and should be so much better than the Zeus. Again, I respectfully disagree. It sounds like what you want is a 600i against the Zeus... And that isn't what this is at all. I personally don't like the 400i. Never have... But once personnel luxury ventures are in place, the 400i will undoubtedly shine.
I think both ships are garbage to be honest. 400i had its issues and now they created more issues with it. I cant even put an Ursa in the Zues so whats the point.
The 400i is my favorite ship in the game in terms of design, and so I pledged for it. However, as gorgeous as it is, it wasn't useful for any kind of gameplay and I found myself leaving it in the hangar in favor of other ships that were better than it (such as my corsair).
However, I still kept my 400i assuming that when exploration gameplay is added I'd find use for it. That was before the nerf.
Then the nerf came, and I've been shaking my head ever since. The *entire purpose* of the 400i was to be able to go exploring in style, and if you found yourself in a hot zone you could high-tail it out of there (flight, not fight). To help with this it had a high top speed, rear turrets to provide cover fire for your retreat, and power plant and cooler redundancy so if you lost one you wouldn't be dead in the water (and a crew member could repair or replace it while keeping the ship flying).
Between master modes and the nerf, where does the 400i now sit? Consider you're out in the verse, come under attack, and need to get out of there. What does that now look like? Well:
- All ships are significantly faster in nav mode than in scm, so you switch to nav mode to get away from danger as fast as is possible. But, your nav mode speeds have now been nerfed, so your get away isn't as fast as it used to be. Still, nav mode is faster than scm, so you should be able to get away from danger. I mean, that's what rear-facing defensive turrets and your massive shield are for, right? They are to help you survive long enough to make your escape.
- Except that in nav mode, those defensive turrets no longer work. So they are, for all intents and purposes, worthless to you. Nothing more than ornamentation, as they are only meant to cover your retreat (the 400i was never meant to be a fighter).
- Also, in nav mode your shields no longer work either, you only have them while in scm. So that big fat shield that's supposed to help you survive long enough for you to make your get away: yep, it's totally worthless to you.
- Also, you only have 1 power plant and 1 cooler (nerfed down from the 3 of each you previously had): so if weapons fire (and again, it doesn't even have to be ballistics here, as your shield is down while you're making your escape in nav mode) hits *either* your cooler *or* your power plant, you are dead in the water.
Add to that its previous defects: super small cargo area, cargo area size and clearance that limits you to not being able to carry anything but the *smallest* of vehicles, poor handling, &c., and what you have is a ship that looks amazing on the showroom floor, but is absolutely worthless for anything other than sitting out on the showroom floor.
Ironically, the 400i and the corsair are about the same size and pledge price point. And yet the corsair --- which is supposed to be a ship made of shoddy components and craftsmanship, but with lots of big guns strapped to it --- has 2 power plants and 2 coolers, whereas the high-end luxury ship doesn't even have that basic redundancy.
Oh, and how does the corsair currently compare to the 400i (based on default loadouts and stats from erkul): same max speeds; same roll, pitch, and yaw rates; corsair has *6 times* the pilot controlled dps; same size shields (but the corsair has a beefier default loadout); corsair has nearly twice the cargo capacity; and corsair has double the hydrogen and quantum full tanks (wait, isn't the 400i also supposed to be an explorer?).
Oh, and did I mention that I can fit my nursa in my corsair?...
Sure, the 400i has a bunch of missiles, but I'm baffled as to why: it's not (and never was) meant to be a missile boat, and you can't use those missiles while you're running away in nav mode.
So yeah, it is good that CIG somehow found a way to nerf the 400i further. Because, you know, it was so op to begin with...
My fav ship too. I was soo mad when they nerfed it I stopped playing for month. Then upgraded to StarLancer MAX and Zeus ES which was proberbly CIG's masterplan...
"Look what they did to my boy."
400i was the first ship I
bought with lti. Is currently the only original lti ships i own that hasn't been changed
Zeus is awesome as well but i did not get lti but instead CCUED my titan to add another rsi ship to collection 😊
There is something about the 400i that just makes you feel safe.
I think the self-insert of Chris Roberts might have something to do why RSI always wins
My biggest gripe with the Zeus class is the narrowed entrance. That was clearly an intentional gimp to stop it carrying Ursa sized vehicles and it comes at the cost of making loading cargo awkward. Really disappointing. Also single turret should have been on top.
The pilot view in Origin ships make me feel like I’m in a flying bathtub. They need a proper dashboard to fee right
If we look at modern luxury cars like a Bentley (400i) not only is it beautiful and luxurious but its a beefy car, got pick up and speed etc all the things you'd expect if you paid ALOT for the top of the pile vehicle. I feel like CIG has missed this idea with the 400i its pretty has some beefy shields but in a world where cars had guns on them the Bentley would have good guns and be a force..400i looks pretty and could/can take a beating but its puny weapons are outclassed by every single ship in its weight class by a considerable amount (Taurus, Connies and until recently corsair) it desperately deserves a gold standard that brings it into it deserved slot in game, luxury, and at least a competitor to "budget" ships in same class but in real world comparison should be better than them!!
... the Zeus-ES... is so new, shiny and oh-so-pretty... it's very hard to resist.
I remember hearing from somewhere that the entire Origin ship team was hired away from CIG, which is why we get RSI everything and everything Origin has been on the back burner. Hopeful they get this all sorted out soon. In the meantime my warbond 400i is in my buyback bin.
@@mrbaglog Nice, after I did last night video I am tempted to upgrade to 400i again. Tham I love this ship.
I will stick to my 400i. It’s the first “big” ship I desired and even ccued my non meltable referral to. I thought about upgrading even further since it’s just a hangar trophy… but I just can’t say goodbye. Just hope one day I can get her the meridian skin to make her perfect
It's too bad they seem to have this problem. It was also the problem with the merchantman.
Wonder when we will get passenger transport , catering etc for luxury ships.
@@infinitespace239 The 890 and 600 too big and cumbersome for a luxury runabout, the 400 is perfect. The Zeus is not a luxury ship, the ES infact just looks like the CL version with a smaller cargo bay.
What I would like to get my hands on is the spirit luxury version..
The still fluid nature of SC is very frustrating - it seems that CIG is continuously changing their vision, or possibly has no vision and is simply changing course all the time pursuing the latest shiny thing (squirrel!?). If there was a clear vision then the ships would fit in at their described (on the RSI website) places and there would be no need for the wild nerfs/buffs to ships we currently see.
@@edtcrandall Good point, I think they do it because of marketing and getting more money. I hope once 1.0 is out they will stop. We will see.
I am wondering if the nerf of the 400i means we might get a 415p and 425a soon? To be honest i would upgrade my 400i to one of those .
We will see, but I think they nerfed 400i because of Zeus sales.
There will be no 415p because that's already the 400i. I can see a 425a though if CIG knows what's good for their bank account. A 450r would be funny, but somehow more useless than the current state of the 400i.
@@Mindbulletz I think you'll find the 100i is classed as a starter/touring and the 400i is also classed as touring. The 315p is a pathfinder as would i suspect the 415p would be. CIG changed the 400i's role 3 years ago soon after it came out.
@@Mindbulletz The 100i is starter/touring and the 400i is also touring. The 315p is a pathfinder as i imagine the 415p would be too. So yes very easily there could be a 415p and even a 450r- notice how in real life there are different classes in motor sport?
@@infinitespace239 Think so too they seem to have adapted a skummy buisness model and its really showing.
Great video, thanks. I'm unsure about the two ships. I was intrigued when you mentioned that the 400i would be a better explorer. Why do you think that, considering that the 400i’s radar and fuel tanks are medium-sized, while both the radar and fuel tanks on the Zeus ES are large?
Because it should be better, it is a class 4 and Zeus is size 3. Sadly Zeus is overpowered and better right now than 400i. We will see in the future. o7
@@infinitespace239 Thank you for responding. I understand your point, as there are precedents, but the radar size, fuel tanks, and the four shields were key selling points on the launch page. The Zeus is a relatively small ship with a radar the size of the Carrack's (though the Carrack has two). This detail stood out to me, and the radar and tank sizes are precisely what differentiate the ES variant from the others, which have different advantages. If the radar or tanks are reduced, the ES variant loses its selling point. If the 400i ends up being better, that would need to happen through a buff to the 400i. For now, I'll keep a CCU for this case. Thanks again.
@@gamsc The speed was one of the selling points of the 400i and they didn't hessitate in taking that away so, in the long run it SHOULD be better because it is bigger and more expensive.
I remember they sold the 400i as a Connie competitor when it was nowhere near to the Connies in specs, so all we have to do is wait and see what CIG will do to improve the 400i. I believe a rework is inevitable.
It would be cool if there was 400i possibility to float on water or other liquids.
As i remember there were talks about this future option for 890 serie ?
You open the cargo hatch or bike bay and it sinks.
Interesting they put the extinguisher inside the 400i fridge... I kind of hoped and assumed the climate controlled rooms purpose was to already help prevent fires... making it more solo friendly
Obviously they forgot about that and put a fire extinguisher in the freezer lol
Relax ppl. We all know new shinny ship are always op so they sell. They'll nerf it soon enough
They can nerf all they want. The Origin 400i is still lackluster in every way outside of "rule of cool." The Zeus on the other hand is both subjectively good looking, AND useful.
... what could they possibly nerf aboard the Zeus? That's a frightening prospect...
@@RoyHobbs-f4v somewhere there is a cig developer going, challenge accepted....
@@firstjayjay ... lol.
I love my 400i but its a shame that its always a buggy mess...
The texture bugs at the lower level and the elevator Display bug are there for months and still not fixed.
Its a pain for everyone who pledged the 400i and a big no go.
I loved cruising around with the 400i, but I did sell mine a few weeks ago to get store credit ready for the IAE. Might be going for a Pioneer.
That being said, as a former 400i owner I do take offense to being compared to a ruddy little ignoramus like Musk.
I love the comparison and I bought mine at concept and still have it.
I don’t believe I will ever melt my 400i. It got me back into the game a couple years ago.
I wouldn’t be concerned about the 400i yet with components. They are doing a balance pass due to engineering and blah blah. It’ll find its home.. redundant components is almost useless now when you can swap them out but that’s not how I viewed this ship. I saw this ship as the overclocking dream. All the extra components allowed for that. Maybe once they get the baseline for all ships we will see some love back to this ship.
400i needs a complete rework... it's got so many design flaws compared to any other ships in its class. Unfortunately for us CIG is taking the things they learned and apply them to their new ships, while neglecting the old ones, which is sad.
Melted my 400i and got the Zeus CL but missing the shields and HP of the 400i as the Zeus gets destroyed fast doing high level bounties. But I can´t justify the 400i right now with all the nerfs.
I have a Zeus mk2 MR (ES Loaner) and a 400i that's been my daily driver since Luminalia 2950. I love the work that's been put into the Zeus series, but for now, the 400i is just the clear winner for most things. Faster and more maneuverable, the 400i can keep its dual S4s on target easier. And with an STV in the hold, nearly every type of game play can be accomplished.
No long endurance kitchen. Maybe a few sandwiches, but that's it. Btw - power distribution is handled differently between ships - use Erkul to compare these two and you'll see what I mean.
@@Jamie-666 Bouth have a kitchen
@@infinitespace239 sandwiches
I like ship designs more focused on functionality and practicality over aesthetics and making a statement. So, the Zeus wins for me.
Mee too but I love more both, enter Starlancer. ☺️
I don't think it should be function vs beauty. Instead these ships should be designed so that the 400i is a better ship but more costly to purchase and maintain. CIG making is making choices I cannot support or understand.
I want to love the 400i, but the cockpit sucks! I don't get that premium feeling from it. It just feels boring. I think you should have the pilot and copilot terminals up against the glass (like in a real yacht) and a captain's chair behind. and the screens should be more imaginative than floating holograms.
Depends what you like
To me it's one of the best cockpits in the game.
going from the Zeus ES to the 400i isn't necessarely "progressing", it's just a matter of trading efficiency for luxury, which isn't something absurd itself.
I agree, but it was made like that, as a progress. Ship had 3 x all components and speed of, i think 1350 very rare ships could catch it. Now it just looks nice
its so sad.. 400i is the only origin ship i like and iv wanted to pledge it for some time and now i have an opportunity to CC it for 5 dollars... but .. this nerf keeps pulling me back..
night be smart so just wait another year... sigh
I just got it, who cares, I love it love the design I ll fly it and enjoy it. o7
@infinitespace239 better Citizen than i am.. i cant seem to gather the balls needed to do the upgrade... i even have a 10% discount code i could use to i can upgrade the zeus cl to 400 i for 25 dollars.. should be easy cos it seems i dont really like the zeus as much as i thought i would.
my poor 400i...., it will soon become a 600i, why cig, it was so cool, the speed nef... and then the components... i think they hate it
Stick to the 400i. I got both and I will keep my 400i even though I got a Zeus Mr in the same class, but I will have the 600i become an actual big ship. Won’t be soloing her anyways after engineering hits
I use the 400 more than my 600 and 890. I hate the nerfs but it is the perfect size. Thinking of melting the 600 for something else
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SImple really, they nerf ships like the corsair to sell new ones like the starcaller tac.
The justification for CIG to nerve the 400i is marketing sales. This is how they have chosen to do business.
I know I'm the odd one here, but somehow all the Origin ships rub me the wrong way. To me they seem to be painfully obviously form before function, and I don't even like the form. All the weird roundish and bendy parts somehow make them "uneralistic" to my eyes. I'm talking about the "spoilers" of 300 series for example. The same thing irks me about the MISC ships, and some Anvil ships like the Hurricane. The wings really put me off. I guess I'm not made to appreciate the finer art and style. The RSI Dorito shape and exterior language with a more luxurious Phoenix style interior would be peak design for me.
Not for you.
The art to enjoying Star Citizen is to let CIG do their job, REBALANCING is critical for making common sense of all its components/features and gameplay, that will see Chris Roberts vison eventually come to fruition. When we brought into the game, we accepted theTOS:
''DISCLAIMER: These are our current vehicle specifications. Some of this may change during the 3D design and game balancing process''. This disclaimer is on every ship 'OVERVIEW' page, its not rocket science, its there to be understood, far to many so called backers are just living in denial, they think a little moaning will stop the forward march of development......it wont, it cant we have now moved beyond that stage. Everything about the 400i is poor, its interior is a hairdreser/nail salon, the seated views are nonsense, the loading ramp is just awkward, and Origin ships are 'hideous', 600i included. People need to stop this ''nerfing'' nonsense, its childish and needy, everything is in flux and will recieve a REBALANCE at some point possibly mamn, many times. I like the Meridian paint on the 400i.
@@davewills148 400 i is the most beautiful ship in Star Citizen period. As for the rest, I agree but they are abusing their power. Why every new ship is OP and then get nerfed when a new ship is launched??? Why didn't they at least one time brought underpowered ship in the game and then rebalance it to better? I think CIG is not to be blaimed but marketing team, and they have to do as they are told. o7
@@infinitespace239 I do agree with your new policy, one which i myself have adopted, and works brillantly, ''dont get attached to a ship, buy whats current , anjoy it, melt and move on. I melted every ship i owned, from the : Endeavor master set/Galaxy IAE Pack/Liberator/Odyssey/Starliner, and aload more, now enjoy the Zeus and soon the Polaris/Starliner. Enjoy,
I don’t understand.. the 400i is more of a luxury small explorer. I do t think it should be more powerful than the rough and ready Zeus.. its not a fighter
Zeus is not a fighter. It is Volkswagen, 400i is Bentley. Which car is better??? This is what CIG is missing.
Zeus isn't a fighter either.
Zeus = toyota supra ... 400i = ferrari 458 italia... thets whay Supra are beter 😉
Seems like player favorite ships get nerfed so loyal players buy other ships.
I dont like this Yacht feeling ot the 400i. To be honest, I dont like any Origin ship.
For me, it looks like 1990s James Bond (played by Pierce Brosnan)
So, If you feel the 400i. If you want to be this Jeff Bond (played by Elon Brosnan) in the verse, stay with the 400i:
Play the game and dont look at stats or numbers.
I have pledged for the zeus CL and I love this ship, despite the fact, the Freelancer MAX is better and less expansiv.
@@throdwobblermangrove6200 Ah I see youu you have chosen what you like more. What sells cars is the feeling and also the ships in SC. o7
@@infinitespace239 Even more in SC. My abolute favorite ship in the game is the mole because I can feel this ship.(and I love industrial gameplay)
I've disliked negative discussion about CIG development and wanted to focus on positive topics, but CIG ship development is awful now. Old ships get nerfed just so new ships can look great to increase sales. Nerfing older ships doesn't matter since they are past their initial sales and all that matters is making the new ships look like a great purchase. I hate being bitter about this but I feel completely let down.
In no way under the sun is the 400i an upgrade from the Zues..... Not even close. You're confusing the "luxury tax" as an upgrade point. It isn't... The Zues and the 400i are neck to neck by comparison, and the Zues comes out over the top by utility alone. The 400i will shine when they implement high value, VIP contracts that you can only pickup if you have an E-1, 400i, 600i, 890J, Phoenix, or any other luxury ship I might have missed. Outside of that, the Zues is arguably the better choice.
Remember these "taxes" when making ship purchases and you find yourself puzzled by an exaggerated cost. They all incur a hike in their pricing. Everytime.
*Alien
*Armor
*Luxury
*Personnel Transport
My point exactly, it should be a bigger, better, logical update from Zeus but it isn't, please watch the video before you comment. o7
@infinitespace239 i watched the entirety of your video. I'm trying to tell you that it's not meant to be a whole upgrade over the Zeus. If anything, a side grade. As in, one is good at some things while the other is good at something else. Your argument throughout the whole video was that the 400i is so bad and should be so much better than the Zeus. Again, I respectfully disagree. It sounds like what you want is a 600i against the Zeus... And that isn't what this is at all. I personally don't like the 400i. Never have... But once personnel luxury ventures are in place, the 400i will undoubtedly shine.
Shields ftw
interrior in 400i is a mess
No, it is actually very functional, but it is bugged
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I think both ships are garbage to be honest. 400i had its issues and now they created more issues with it. I cant even put an Ursa in the Zues so whats the point.
I think the Zeus is better looking than the 400i.
The 400i is really ugly.
Take that back lol, 400i is at least to me the most beautiful ship in the game. It is so with 400i eather you love it or hate it. o7