ANTHEM ARC GENESIS ADVANCED CALIBRATION v1.5.4 | Features, Bugs, Custom Curves, Multiple Configs
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this video, I'm doing a deeper technical dive on Anthem ARC Genesis acoustic calibration taking a thorough look at more advanced and customizable features in the software. ARC is very powerful and really nice to use. I also discuss some workflow issues and bugs I have found in the system. This video was made with ARC Genesis version 1.5.4.
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Good day to you Sir, my name is Joseph & I wanted to thank you for your really intense & well informed videos especially regarding the Anthem AVM 70 PrePro, & the Parasound A52+ Amp. I actually own each one. I like how you take your time explaining your own set up & what works for your interest. Thank you for all the great info. 👍🏽
Excellent! Thank you!
I recently purchased the avm70, and this is my first time using their products. When I ran the room correction, it was insanely loud to the point where it was uncomfortable to be in the room while it was running the measurements. Are there steps that need to be done prior to running arc to stop this from happening? Im using polk s60, s30, s15, and 2 pb4000 subs in a 9.2 configuration. Amps are emotiva xpa3 gen 3 and outlaw model 7000x
Hmm, that's an odd one. I've not had an issue or seen anyone else reporting that. It's hard to say just offhand. Generally the test tones themselves are pretty loud when they are being generated. I wouldn't recommend being in the room anyway when measuring.
These graps are meaningless. You need to take before and after REW measurements...
What exactly makes ARC measurements meaningless? It measures room response over a frequency sweep in a single point and then averaging across multiple points to adjust and calibrate. Single point quick measure is the same thing REW would show you. I probably will pick up a UMIK though and play with REW separately at some point though.
@@TechthusiasmI have the AVM70
Multiple ARC cals later , QM and REW show a completely different response compared to curve viewer post ARC.
And yes. I have ARC enabled .
All the cal seemed to do is boost speaker level.
Looks nothing like what ARCs corrected graphs look like.
Im starting to believe ARC is full of 💩
Thanks for this! This was a huge help in getting me started with my new AVM70.
Glad I could help!
Arc does a great job at general room correction but I felt they were behind Dirac in terms of subwoofer calibration and integration. DLBC is an example of how far ahead they are.
It's good to see they are updating Arc consistently, but you'll need REW and minidsp 2x4HD if you're going to manage 2+ subs. 3+ subs and it's a must.
With the changes in the new beta, hopefully ARC will close some gap on subwoofer calibration. Yes, the AVM70 will discretely calibrate 2 subwoofers. You need an AVM90 to do 4 subwoofers. If I were to go to 4 subs with the AVM70, I think I would just chain the fronts as sub 1 and the two rears as sub 2, at least to get started.
Great video that I have to rewatch when I do new measurements.
Looking forward to your thoughts on the updated ARC Genesis.
This is BTW what Anthem writes in regards of a "house curve".
Perhaps the most useful adjustment in the Profile Wide Settings is the room gain control. ARC algorithms identify and preserve the positive effects imparted by the room by detecting how much the room’s boundaries and pressurization reinforce low frequencies. This effect, known as room gain, appears as a bump below 150 to 300 Hz. ARC does not remove it because if flattened, bass sounds thin. If you would like to increase or decrease bass, this is the best place to do so if you are using a subwoofer since it maintains a good transition between the sub and your speakers.
I'm trying to get the new beta stuff applied, but my AVM70 kind of did a half beta update for the moment... I think I need to look more critically at that room gain setting as well vs. popping so much deep bass boost.
Very helpful! I needed more bass, less harshness, and this video did the trick.
I have a few videos on adjusting ARC. One thing is I have been using more room gain than deep bass boost. It’s a bit better of an option. Hit the room gain for a few dB and then add 1 more deep bass boost dB. I’ll get some more follow ups done soon with the STR. Thanks for watching and glad it was helpful!
@@Techthusiasm appreciate the follow up. I’m using the AVM 70. Is your advice applicable to that unit as well?
Yep. STR, MRX, and AVM all work the same with regards to ARC now.
Hi, great work on your channel. Really useful.. I was curious if boosting the trims on the subs to help with the nulls when arc corrects the curve. Should I then run quick measure to check the levels in relation to one another. Would boosting the sub trims put them out of sync with the other channels. I find for example if you run quick measure after calibration that quite often there can be quite large variations on some of the speaker levels. Sometimes a couple of my ceiling speakers are down by 2-3 db. And my subs can be down 5db(average db level on quick measure). I do make sure that the arc calibration tab is clicked btw.
It hard to fight nulls with processing. Theoretically, it could help to boost giving the EQ more headroom to work with, but there are a lot of moving parts and layering multi touches of EQ on top of each other can have its own challenges. You want to get the output as good as possible with positioning and the sub settings itself before doing the EQ.
I was going to ask you after calibration did you hear a more pleasing sound than straight out the box. You answered it but I believe you said it was a minor improvement to your ear. After calibration and tweaking I would,at least,expect a sizable improvement to the sound. I’m starting to see an inherent pitfall to better calibration software. Since you can do unlimited adjustments when do you stop tweaking and just enjoy the system? It sounded good out the box but you’re still calibrating and tweaking for optimum perfection! How in the world are you going to get good accurate calibrations if you encounter bugs in the calibration software? You also have me rethinking about getting a more powerful Sub due to the calibration problem you’re having with the Harbottle being possibly too powerful for your room. My room is smaller than yours. Man I’m enjoying your videos and I’m definitely learning and rethinking somethings! 👴🏽
I think cal sounds better than non-cal, yes. Getting everything smooth and controlling the response keeps you from scrambling for the remote to turn up or down volume at different points of a movie. It all contributes to detail and such. I do think there's a limit to how much I want to endlessly tweak. That's a reason I like the Anthem. I have confidence now in what ARC is doing so I want to arrive at a pleasing curve, get all my speakers/subs tracking well on that curve, and then sit back and enjoy content.
Just started looking at if I wanted to go with the Avm 70 vs the Denon 6700 that I just purchased a few months ago.
Your video on multi zones makes the 6700a great candidate to use for our family room and patio.
I just wish the Anthem had Auro 3d.
Now let me take this information in.
I've been super pleased with the AVM70 zone2. I'm using it right now with a full set of HDMI sources. After having a couple of Marantz preamps and now this Anthem, I'd stick to Anthem. Looking at adding some processing back to my living room, I will likely stick in the brand.
It baffles me that ARC to this day don't set the distances for you, but I am glad they are working on it. Having good phase alignment from sub to sub and then sub(s) to speaker is key to a smooth listening experience.
I like your approach to the adjustment of the target curve, and correcting full-range looks like a good choice based on your graphs. I would as a general rule of thumb have all the speakers roll-off the same, as in, use the same target curve for all speakers.
I would also recommend getting an Umik-1 so that you can verify how ARC is actually performing in your room. REW won't replace how you perceive the sound you are hearing and adjusting by ear is still the best way, but it will help you diagnose any crossovers dips and is far better than going off a predicted graph. It is also a great tool to help the placement of sound panels and getting an idea on the room decay RT30.
I have only recently subscribe to your channel and binged watched your recent videos and love what you have done in the room. If I were to make an adjustment, it would be to have one sub at the front and one at the back. I think with a room of your size, you might get a smoother, less localized bass in this config. You could have the front sub in a vertical position, centre of the screen for a bit of symmetry.
Keep up the good work
Jim
Auto distance is actually here now with the new ARC beta that came out this morning along with advanced auto phase control. I'll be updating the beta, re-cal'ing my system, and be back with updated videos.
I did some tweaking where I had the highest-end tune being similar across all speakers. In this current file I used for the video, I just let ARC define the top end response aside from the -1 dB tilt affecting all speakers.
I was debating a UMIK still, but per my other comments, that might be getting into it too much for me. I think I'm content to trust and be happy with ARC and not go further. We will see. I'll need a UMIK anyway if I go with a miniDSP to cal my living room, but I think I just want to stick to Anthem ARC product there as well. More discussion on that coming up.
Thanks for the compliments. Yes, I have considered going one up and one back for the subs. I just need to order up a longer cable to be able to place on back there. I'd probably go front left and back right opposing to start. I had thought about going mid-wall front and back too, but I think I want to avoid that configuration. I've grown fond of not having any gear right up in the field of view. Nor do I think I want to split apart those back bass trap panels on the stands. If I can get good response with goals, I would place high value on the aesthetics of the placement.
I have the MRX 740. What steps did you take to get a tighter tactile sound from your subs?
Just running ARC on your space and having it EQ the room and smooth response with the 740 is where you want to start. From there, you can tweak the target curves to your liking as I started to do in this video, but that's not required if you like the default curve. You need to experiment really and see what kind of results you get and what you prefer in your space.
ARC 1.6.1 is a big upgrade - just ran with my AVM 70 5.2.4 setup and the bass integration is significantly better!! The phase alignment takes a while to run but worth it - my setup never sounded this good!!
Yes, I can't wait to upgrade and will make more videos on it. My upgrade attempt bugged out though and did like a half-upgrade and now is stuck. I've been messaging with Anthem support to resolve it. Argh!
@@Techthusiasm oh sorry to hear that - I have been fortunate so far - hope they get it fixed soon - the new version is vastly better in my set up
Yep, I’m operational now with the new software. New videos coming soon.
Hi there, just a quick question. What should the minimum correction frequency be and what happens if we move it to max.
By default, the correction frequency is set to 5k. Many folks tend to move that down. I like to move it up for a few reason. For my LCR, they are behind an AT screen, and I think it is generally recommended practice to tune higher because of that. My speakers all mostly rise up in the highs and I prefer a tilt down in the highs. So I go all out on mine, but you can move that slider around to taste.
@@Techthusiasm As I was indicating in a previous post, that is probably the voicing done by Focal, but if you don't like what they did then that would be the exception, IMO, to going behind 5k, but you do change the intended characteristic of that speaker
Are you using the test noise built in the Anthem to set the levels prior to running ARC?
I have been experimenting using quick measure to work with subwoofer volume as ARC won't cal the subs in some situations without asking me to turn them down. Adjusting volume on the speakers is something that didn't seem needed or even really could be done.
Seems like you could quick measure and adjust trim using levels on the quick access menu of the web UI for the main zone. But I thought those were more for transient control considered "on the fly" adjustment to tweak as you like. ARC itself sets trim for each speaker as part of the natural process of running it so I'm not sure why you would need to measure and set speaker levels manually before ARC. I also understood that ARC ignores/bypasses all the local settings on the unit itself when it runs.
If one did change the fly adjustments then ARC would just apply less of its own trim, but then on the fly level adjustment could get out of sync with the calibration if it is changed. If anyone has insight on why you would set speaker levels before ARC manually and share a preferable way to make the adjustment, I'm all ears!
Thanks for your great videos and all your help!
Wow! Thanks so much for the generous support! Applause of the day! :)
The peaks and nulls in the sub region is very common. Are you running multiple subs? Using multiple subs helps you get rid of these problems but you'd need a miniDsp to EQ them out. Plus you need some room treatment as well. No amount of EQ will help a bad room without room treatments.
I have a pair subs and one other single I am testing. Most of this was looking at the dual subs in the system. Yes, multiple subs help to even response. That's a big reason I need to keep one up front and try the other in the back of the room. Both subs up front even near opposing corners still have similar response curves so they are subject to the same peaks and nulls. Best case with multiple subs is that they present their peaks and nulls at differing frequencies and thus work better together in concert. I just need a longer XLR cable.
@@Techthusiasm In a 2 sub setup best position is front+rear midwall or front/rear diagonal corners
Great Info. I have a couple questions as I am a newbie to Arc with an AVM90 and 2 subs. I have seen mentions elsewhere that with 2 subs, each should be "quick measured" to 72 db. I noticed you started by letting Arc use 75 db and even boosted them after measurement. Is there a place in quick measure to set the wanted level of each sub before measurement or do you just run quick measure and adjust the gain on each sub to get the desirable level (I assume you would look at average levels and not just peaks). One other thing....I noticed you increase the max correction frequency for your speakers to 20K when Arc defaults to 5K. It seems logical that letting ARC adjust the full curve all the way to 20K would be beneficial... What is the down side to this? i.e. why would anthem default this to 5K?
If you want to volume control the subs, you would need to do that on the subs themselves outside of and before doing anything with ARC. You would do that as you mention, use quick measure, run the sweep, and adjust the sub volume until the overall number is where you want it. As you mention, I did not preset the subs. I let them run and let ARC work with them as is. I have some mid-bass nulls and I don't want to pull the signal down any right now.
I do also correct all the way out. This is most important on my LCR because I have an AT screen and it affects high frequencies. My speakers also natively rise in the highs and I wanted the curve tamed all the way out as I don't like shrill high pitched noise being overly hot. Most folks don't correct so high, some even only correct bass at like 500 Hz and lower. I'm comfortable wanting to let ARC run full range.
a lot of speakers are voiced a certain way in the mid to high frequency and intentionally boosted, etc as they all have their own voicing. When you go past 5k you are now manipulating wha the original intent of your speaker manufacturer was. That doesn't mean in some instances you shouldn't extend behind 5K if you are having some major issues, but going past 5k is not recommended especially if you have great speakers. In his case, with Focal, I would not recommend doing that unless, like he said, some of the voicing done intentionally by Focal isn't to his liking. So be very careful there is a reason they default to 5K
@@Techthusiasm i general, if running two subs, launch quick measure and try to get both near 72db
I just got a avm 60 and I have been having an issue with the calibration. It does one speaker then stops, lights up the next speaker then gives me a critical error check speaker connection and microphone red alert. If i click on the first tab then go back to the test it saves and stays on the next speaker and I can go forward but it takes forever.
I have all virus/firewall settings off and I am signed into my laptop as a local user as I saw that is sometimes an issue. I have been in contact with Anthem and they are stumped by this too.
Any help with this will be greatly appreciated.
I have a new mic and a long USB on the way so I can use my desktop instead to try that too. Just trying to eliminate things one at a time
Hmm, I don't think I can offer much on the AVM60. I'm not familiar with it. I came into Anthem with the 70 level device. I did encounter bugs with Anthem and ARC where test tones wouldn't generate. I'd have to jump through some hoops sometimes, but they squashed that issue in the later software. In my experience with Anthem support, they tend to blame and focus on network settings as an assumed culprit for problems.
@@Techthusiasm thanks man. Figured I'd try. Yeah this is weird, I don't know what it is, I got a new mic and I'll be connecting to my desk top to rule out the mic and windows 11 causing issues after that it has to be software because I've tried everything.
Best of luck solving it. I’m having some frustrating failure modes with my system right now too. Sucks.
Hi. Thank you for video. I'd like to ask questions. I'm first time running Arc for 7.1.2. At about 17 min on, so you change Minimum Correction Freq to 20k all speakers, did you also change High Freq Roll Off to 4.91, 4.05, 5.94 but kept surround and subwoofer flat? Or are they set by Arc? Mine arc set hi freq roll off only at 0.5 to 2.52. And you prefer to set subwoofer Minimum Correction Freq to 15 instead of 80hz? Your advise is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
I set the correction to full 20k, yes, but the other items ARC adjusts based on target settings and its calculation. I just leave those be.
If I understand your second question, I think you might be mistaking correction frequency with crossover. Crossover is 80, as ARC calculates for me. Correction frequency though is far down ARC will apply EQ to the sub. You want that going low.
Grats on your Anthem, great product! Check out the full set of Anthem/ARC videos on the channel.
@@Techthusiasm I see. I thought min correct freq means all speakers send freq below 80 hz to sub. Thank you. 1 more question please. Should I set Subwoofer Cut Off Freq knob at the back of my paradigm studio sub 12 to 80hz or max? Bc if I set it to 80hz, Arc setting shows High Freq Extension only 80. If I set it to max, the Arc shows 200 hz like your Arc setting. So I assume I should turn the Sub Cut Off Freq knob to maximum? Thank you.
Set it to max on the sub and let the Anthem handle the crossover fully. If you set it lower, then you have two things competing to perform essentially the same operation. My pleasure!
@@Techthusiasm I'm beating a dead horse here but going to 20K should rarely be done. It is the exception to the rule if you have high quality speakers with intended characteristics in those frequency ranges
I'll probably end up re-doing ARC again soon in my spaces so maybe I'll make a profile where I don't go so high in the correction and try them out against each other.
I have been using ARC for my Anthem MX 520 along with my PC that was running Win 10....I bought a new PC with Win 11...and the ARC will not work, and there doesn't seem to be a download on the Anthem download page..is there a workaround or other suggestion to remedy this ?.
I have not tried ARC on Windows as I run it on my MacBook Pro. I would expect Windows 11 to work though. Maybe someone else can chime in. Did you download the 64-bit Windows version? I would try that if you had downloaded the 32-bit version.
@@Techthusiasm yes...and it wont open
Hmm, I'd recommend going to Anthem support. I have found them to be pretty helpful and responsive. Or perhaps post in the owner's thread on AVS Forum. Lots of folks there willing to help and someone might have experienced a similar issue.
@@Techthusiasm Thats what I have done..Thanks..Ill post the reply back from Anthem when I get it
It wouldn't install because of previous ARC files left in my Program Files, and the new download couldn't write over them for some reason, I deleted them, reinstalled it, and now its good...Thanks
6db deep bass no way raise your room gain if your not happy with sub
Room gain is one of the parameters I need to experiment with and learn more about. It seems to tweak the curve more broadly than just the bass though. If you have more detailed concepts to add around the room gain setting, please feel free to share them.
@@Techthusiasm Est-ce que Arc Genesis met un Room Gain a 3 db par défaut ? Ou est-ce que Arc le calcul ?
Il est vrai que Anthem ne communique pas beaucoup sur cette fonctionnalité !
@@aurelien575 ARC sets a room gain that it measures/determines. Mine happened to be 3 dB. I have been playing more with room gain though vs. deep boost and agree it's a better option. I'll talk on this in another video coming soon.
@@Techthusiasm Merci pour votre retour. Je regarderai cette prochaine vidéo avec plaisir :)
@@aurelien575 Vous êtes les bienvenus!