Z30 has great focus in most situations. Nikon all the way. Sorry to hear you are sucked in to the Sony hype, where you have to spend $2000 each year for a new camera.
If I pay too much attention to the pros and cons of different brands of cameras, it will become very difficult to choose. But if I focus on photography itself, It becomes easier to choose. An excellent photographer can take excellent photos with any brand of camera, it’s just a difference in the feeling of using it, and the results are not too different.
@@reheapification2 There is so much competition for full frame, not only does it make me want to switch to new bodies, but also new expensive lenses. Money matters for non-professional photographers. So I chose APS-C FUJIFILM, because it makes me focus more on the photography itself.
@@westcoasthype619 I tried taking a good picture without a camera. It went poorly... Then with a great subject and good light in front of me, I did very little and the camera took a great picture. We're less important than everyone wants to believe.
I said it on the first video I ever watched, where Tony took a piece of glass to a nifty fifty to prove a few scratches won't kill a lens; I watch you two because of your INTEGRITY. Don't give a flying leap what all the naysayers go on about, THAT shows through over and over again. That is what keeps me coming back. Kudos.
I clearly qualify as a Nikon loyalist, and until the Z8 introduction a DSLR holdout. Now I’ve created a spreadsheet mapping out my F to Z transition plan. Your overview of the major brands, where they’ve been and where they are going was illuminating, especially for one who for convenience if nothing else ignored the other brands. I’m reminded of how much I loved using my OM-1 kit of decades ago. Recently my granddaughter, shopping for a film body, bought a vintage OM-1. She said it just spoke to her. She was unaware of my history with that camera. For all the tech specs and test reports, in the end our choices have more to do with love than logic.
Well, I just switched from my D850 to the R5 and already regret doing so with the 100-500 Canon costing twice as much as the 180-600 by Nikon. I am already calculating how much money I would love switching back to get the Z8 I waited for several years just to give up several months before it finally got announced.
I switched from D750 to R6 II, so I feel you. The D750 has better shadow recovery and better screen, although lower resolution. I just want to have Nikon again.. good priced f 1.8s and the 180-600 so much better value, third party lenses now, even buying Z8 will be cheaper in the long run, because great lenses will be priced good and you will save from them.
Yes just think how many sales Nikon would make and how many users they woudl keep if they had the Z6iii and Z7iii ot now! Not everyone can afford a Z8 (or wants that size)
I mean, that's basically what you get when you let others (influencers) lure you into changing brands. Sometimes, your best bet is to just turn off the external noise and just focus on taking photographs while remaining patient for your next camera. I've always doubted Canon, Sony, and now Fuji as well. They're all good brands in their own right, except for Sony, as I truly hate Sony cameras to the core ever since I tested an A7II. That camera felt like a goddamn toy with the most awful ergonomics and menu layout. Nikon will always be my one and only camera brand. It's the brand I learned photography on, and their cameras brought me an immense amount of joy ever since I first held one in my hand. Some people are just too eager to jump ships these days, for some reason. As if they need to upgrade their gear every other year. And if a camera isn't perfect in every area, they toss it in a garbage bin, never to gaze upon it again. It's so unfortunate, silly, and gluttonous. Anyway, having said all that, I hope you do find a camera that will satisfy your needs.
Still a massive Nikon fan... the Z6ii is a phenomenal wedding camera and the Z8 is even better though I want the abilities of the Z8 in a Z6ii body and megapixel count. That'd be perfect for me. Good stuff guys. You are right in what you say about Sony seeming to place more kudos in delivering what the photographic community need / want. It's just a shame that their flaws are kinda looked over often... it's when you go into a Sony group on Facebook and realise all the things that annoy you about one brand are still there in Sony cameras, some to a lesser degree and then other things that you don't have an issue with using your camera drives Sony users nuts... As you have said many times, there is no perfect camera and no do it all brand. For me, Nikon still does the greatest amount of better stuff... errr better. lol. Keep em coming though, we can't all be the same.
One thing I didn’t hear you mention is that Sony also makes all of the sensors for the iPhone which means they have a huge incentive to continue to invest in cameras/sensor technology
I was all about Pentax for years…then they just kind of slipped away. So, I had to make a change…I chose Sony. Started with A73, loved it….but started getting more into video so I did upgrade to A74…and love it! I have a 24-105 G and a 100-400 GM for lenses. So, never used Canon or Nikon so I can’t make any comparison…all I can say, I love have loved my Sony Cameras.
I used used my Nikon D5100 for almost 10 years and had been happy with it. However, I found 3 new Nikon Z lenses that were at a deep discount at my electronic store earlier this year, I couldn't refuse them. They were the 28-75mm f2.8, the 14-30mm f4, and the 105mm f2.8. Each lens had a discount between $600-$700 off. Then I found the Nikon Z5 online in mint condition for $760 and the 50mm f1.8 that was also on a discount. Does Nikon have the better AF system over Sony or Canon, no. Am I able to get the shots I want with this camera? Yes. Their AF system is still very good to use. Nikon earned the no. 3 spot, but I see they will continue to improve their AF systems to at least be on par with Sony and Canon. I want all three companies to continue to out-perform each other's cameras.
there will soon be nowhere to move up further in the AF departement, all 3 brands are very close to that already. what I see happening is their UI/UX and Apps as well as phone features coming from the Sony phones which Canon and Nikon simply won't be able to match.@@GeertDelmulle
@@nevensky As long Canon and Nikon will develop apps for android and apple OS it won't be a problem. In 99% of the cases (I guess) it's to be able to get some photo's or video's just taken on the MILC, transfer and edit on the smartphone or tablet and send it to clients for reviewing purpuses or put it on social media for MarCom purposes.
You just “kinda” implied Nikon is putting out stuff to be putting it out to keep “the stream” going without big updates. Nikon has made the biggest updates compared to previous iterations. Sony on the other hand does do that . They put out cameras more often with less upgrades. As for the OM and 20mp check and see what the pixel pitch is then compare that to say maybe 60mp ff. Enough said
Sony's problem is the opposite, they release lesser spec cameras with more features than last years top cameras, like the zve1 with better features than the a7siii and even the a1 to name a couple.
I have Nikon Z6 ii and I love this camera for its feel, build and picture quality. Yeah it struggles a lot sometimes for focus but I can live with that. If I am spending this much amount of money I need a better build camera which will last for years. I had a Canon 1100D but it stopped working merely in 3 years or so but my D7200 was amazing it just never gave up. If you will come to India, in Mumbai you will find the photographers that work at few popular locations such as Gate way of India, Hajiali dargah, they use Nikon because it handles moisture better and it does not give up on them. And boy the camera feeling is another level with Nikon. I just love these Nikon cameras. ❤ If we are ranking cameras based on sales, then I think it's not the way to go, we should rank based on their build, quality materials used, picture quality, lenses availability, focus, FPSs etc. Sales cannot decide which one is better, as in India we call something is "Bhedchal" which is everyone follows someone else to buy something. And that raises their sales. 🙂
I am a hobbyist. I originally shot Olympus (film) in the early 80's. Then shot Nikon, film, then on to Canon T3i. I've been shooting Canon for 15+ years. I own an R5, and my retirement gift to me was a nice assortment of RF glass. I am in my 60's and will purchase 1 more camera. Originally was waiting for R5II or R1. I shoot Landscape, travel and some wildlife and portraits. I am now considering Leica Q2 or Q3 to use for travel and everday shooting. Will keep my R5 and most glass. Will decide in the next 6 months. Thanks for your video.
I have a lot of Canon EF lenses, but I am seriously thinking about switching to the Panasonic S5 II, as with an adapter all Canon EF lenses work as well as native lenses. So I would keep my Canon EF 100-400 II for example, but it would get even better because of the IS and the very good autofocus in the Panasonic S5 II.
For my style, OM-1 / Olympus / MFT all the way. No need for more MP since I almost never crop any image. Love the overall compact form-factor. Image quality is great and the OM-1 has plenty of high-level specs. Also, since OM Systems is pitching the camera as an outdoor / wildlife / adventure camera, does not mean you cannot use it for different styles… Feels like you made quite a quick conclusion on this system without real substantiation. I think anno 2023 this system is still very relevant and deserves a spot next to the ‘big guys’, since it is providing quite an unique overall solution including a great range of high quality lenses. Just my humble opinion.
Issue is how many customers is into the system to keep massive R&D costs. Tony and Chelsea said you do not see much innovation and new releases. Only OM-1, what is the new body they release with the newest tech in different pricepoint? What Tony and Chelsea said is true. OM-5 was a recycle of older tech. It is not encouraging. They have a point about OM is not focusing on media creation and to much about crop factor.
@@carolsantulis1990 This is the biggest problem for the m43 manufacturers. m43 is seen as a secondary system, hence having less sales so less R&D. I read that the workfoce of Olympus Digital department went from 6000 employees to 2000 employees when sold and now called OM System. OM System revenue is only 200 million dollars.
Every one of their videos I see OM users getting upset in the comments. It's actually kind of predictable. All they said was that OM should focus more on street photography and consumer cameras, and they're not wrong. The OM-5 is their cheapest body at $1,000, and that's a pretty penny for a hobbyist trying to get into photography. They absolutely need to offer a body somewhere in the $500 range. I personally use an Olympus everyday, and love it. But it's ridiculous to see all of the hate from other users. What they said isn't incorrect even if you don't like it. If you don't like their channel, just stop watching it.
29:50 the comment about the system is spot on. I moved up to FF Sony (A7r3), for IQ (and it did not disappoint) and lenses. However, then I found that video handheld was trash, and that all those good IQ lenses all had breathing for ages, and that video was in bad 8 bit codecs and limited in many ways. Then I saw that the microjitters would never go away (even my sisters A1 has them!) and many of the features I wanted were limited to expensive bodies. So I went to the S5II, good enough video AF, much much better video IQ, better ergonomics, and an ecosystem of good inexpensive primes and good, inexpensive variable aperture zooms. Now excited to see if the Samyang 35-150 arrives soon and how it works with the camera- knowing that SW updates will keep me happy if new things come up. System matters!
Selling Sony or Canon for Nikon? Already sold my Sony A7IV after having it six months. Ergonomics plain and simple. Just couldn’t get used to it. My older LUMIX G9 M43 is a better handling and user experience. Migrating to Nikon system and Z8 (price to performance right where it appeals most to me) by end of year.
I have all 3 brands. Short story: you can do great photos with any of them! If that isn't the case you might be the problem. All camera brands have plusses and minusses.
I never thought I'd own a M43 camera, coming from full frame Canon and APS-C Fuji. I've really enjoyed my OM-5 and carry it everywhere. The depth of field offered by the sensor is perfect for street photography, and it is small enough to not get noticed. I agree that their focus should be elsewhere (a new PEN, for instance), but I am enjoying learning macro techniques. Their monochrome JPEGs look great, too.
I went full circle from M43 to APSC to Full Frame, back to M43. For landscape photography the shallower depth of field is a benefit. For wildlife photography the 2x crop factor gets you closer with a smaller lens. The smaller lenses let me bring more options with me when traveling. The low light capabilities are not always great, but some of the best astrophotographs I have taken were with my M43 system despite the full frame system costing me 5 times more. When doing portraits, clients often prefer the images from the M43 system over the full frame system making it hard to say which is really the A camera and which is the B camera. As technology continues to evolve and new products come out, I am excited to see what M43 brings us.
@@UnconventionalReasoning That is what I have heard. I just wish it didn't cost so much. I like to dabble in Macro, but hard to justify spending that much just to dabble.
@@ElMundoDuro Same here. I'd love to pick one up, but as a beginner it's out of my price range. The 60mm macro is frequently on sale, though, and does a good job at the price point. It's also frequently on my camera as an everyday/walkaround telephoto lens.
@@ElMundoDuro The Olympus 60mm f/2.8 macro is $450, about $300 used. It's excellent, I had a relative get one for flower photography. They really enjoy the results.
Nikon was so popular when I first started in the early 70's because every lens fit every Nikon camera body. You could travel anywhere in the world pick up a Nikkor lens and you were guaranteed it would bolt on. Canon kept swapping lens mounts. It was vital if you needed to travel light and have loan gear available when you arrived. I retired a few years back, but stuck with Nikon for decades and swear by them.
I have shot every brand, even Pentax. I hate Sony. Terrible ergonomics, colors, rendering, jpegs. I sold A6300 shortly after buying. It was a brick in my hand. I now shoot Nikon full frame film and Fuji mirrorless
Agreed that the a6300 sucked. Sony has since changed their color and won our blind color science comparison. The newer FF cameras have better ergonomics (though not as good as Nikon).
I love my Nikon and Panasonic MFT cameras. The fact that people like you... have convinced people to sell their awesome equipment, so I can buy them used... for a good bargain... THANK YOU! Proud of my images with this equipment. Keep up the good work!
Damn right. I'd like to thank him personally for financially crippling other people going for a $6500 body and $15,000 lens so I can buy something that's beyond great for 1/20th of the price.
Nikon Z in APS-C lenses are now four Z DX lenses: kit Z 16-50mm, Z 12-28mm PZ (with power zoom ring), Z DX 24mm f1.7, and Z 18-140mm, however you can also add Z FF lenses. Four is more than just two Z DX lenses. There are also a half dozen third party Z lenses out there.
The f mount converter works great, so you can add modern F lenses to this as well. I occasionally shoot through an older 35 mm 1.8 'G' lens and it works fine.
It's interesting you said that Sony doesn't have any more affordable entry options for full-frame. As a newer hobbyist photographer, one of the reasons I ended up in Sony was because they had quite a few older (and therefore cheaper) models still in production. I ended up with an A7R3. I paid about as much as I would have for an EOS R8. Maybe keeping older models in production is how they get around not having cheaper full-frame entry models?
exactly, just got a7r iii for like 1000$. in my country a73 and a7r3 cost +- the same, with a73 being sometimes pricier than the r3 on the used market. and it feels like the best deal I've ever done. went with r3 cause I've wanted more details and ability to crop + to see improvements over 24 mp. since it would be my 3rd camera with 24mp if I went with the r3. and full frame 42mp for a bit less than 1000$ is just a banger.
I enjoy having my M43 lenses and that's why I stay with that system. I like switching between macro, telephoto wildlife, and snake photography and it's easier for me despite having two beefier M43 bodies (EM-1 MARK II and G9). But if I had the ability to invest in 35mm format, I like Nikon. Never had FF but like the beefy body and they have a nice selection of affordable wildlife gear. But there's already great wildlife selection for me with Olympus and Panasonic at MFT so I'm good.
@@UnconventionalReasoning yes. I might get a Z6II or something down the road, but what kept me going with MFT is that there are wildlife and macro photographers that put out phenomenal work with the lens lineup available (Petr Bambousek's work is insane!) It's the reason I don't put much stock into what Tony says about OM's capabilities (although I agree they could stand to expand their audience to other genres as a business decision).
@@AguilaDeOnix85 I saw the OM 90mm macro lens a few months ago, it looks really sweat. The Nikon 200mm f/4D micro lens is unbeaten, though. The smaller lenses for 300mm is definitely a bonus with M43. I think Nikon *must* release the Z6III in the next year. Since you're happy with M43 for now, I'd at least wait for the Z6III. Getting the same processor as the Z9/Z8 will be significant.
I bought a Canon RP a few years ago. When I was looking, I really didn't want to spend a fortune on an R5 or A7 IV. I also have some EF glass that I would have had to sell and re-buy in the E-Mount, which adds to the cost of switching. I tried out the A7III, and while it was close in features and quality, the RP was a better value for me, and I've never looked back.
Panasonic is my favorite. But I’m disappointed by all brands for not having computational photography on par with iPhone 14 Pro if not better. Specifically blending 100s of exposures in a split second to produce a single Raw with insane DR. No excuse in 2023.
As a longtime "Pentaxian" I recently switched to the Nikon Z system (Nikon Z6 II) with their fantastic S-lenses! I am sooo happy with my decision, that was mostly based on the fantastic haptic of the Nikon Z6 II, its build quality and because Nikon offers the only weather sealing that is quite on par with the ones build in Pentax cameras and lenses! Canon is quite behind both of them and Sony`s weather sealing is more or less useless!
I use a Canon 5D mk4, it was my dream camera for years and I’m sticking with it for two reasons. One it gets the job done and two because I’m happy with it. Love your videos!!!
Good comparison, I am in a situation right now where I don't know whether to switch to Sony from Canon. I'm a hobbyist wildlife photographer and I shoot with a 90D and I love it. However, I was looking forward to the a6700 but i'm unsure if I should go with it. On one hand its Sonys best aps-c and there is a TON of lenses, on the other the R7 which has everything I want and more as it is the 90D successor. Although there is not as many lenses or especially affordable telephotos available for the RF mount; still the 100-500 gets a lot of praise (should I save up?) and there is rumors about Canon opening their mount up more. So, i'm unsure what I should do or even if I should go full frame now.
I own a canon 7dii, R7 and Sony A6600. Of you own good canon glass then the R7 is the future, if own cheap low-quality glass then you can get what system / brand you want. I like my A6600 as it is small and a great travel and stealth camera. I use my canon L glass on it via sigma MC-11 EF to E mount adapter, and this set up works reasonably well. However when I put my EF L glass on my R7 the lenses are snappy, and very quick AF.
Im strickly a video shooter which is why I shoot CANON. I hate them as a company but, I love their colr and auto focus. Ill die with an R5 in my hand! Great video as always!
I've switched eco-systems twice now in the last 20 years... Started with Nikon... upgraded a couple of times in that period, D200, D7000, D7100, D600. Then switched to Panasonic, GH4, GH5 -Started wedding videos... then 5 years ago switched again to Sony, A7iii, AC7, A7IV, ZVe10. I'm staying with Sony for the remainder... just great gear, great value, great gear/lens selection. I still do weddings, but with Panasonic gear... But would love to switch to FX3s at some point....
Pentax - not a mention! Yes, useless for video but great build including weather sealing and with a menu system that's simple to use and great viewfinders. They last as my K5 from 2011 proves. For someone on a budget the compatibility with older lenses combined with this build means you can have a system that's still reasonably priced and allows the novice to experiment and learn their craft.
Brilliant cameras, still prefer using Pentax to my mirrorless camera, even if you do have to work it a bit more. In the end that becomes part of the joy.
Chelsea, I have to agree with you concerning the AE-1, my first SLR was a AE-1 Program, so I am a bit bias towards it, but I just love them. My dad bought it new, and when he got his EOS-3, I took it over from him.
The only person I had talk to me about Olympus was someone talking about micro four third magnification and how convenient and portable it was for wildlife photography
Pangolin Wildlife Photography UA-cam has a video (18:40 mark) about this and actually shows the difference between R3/600 F4 vs OM1/300 F4. The MFT not as bokelicious lol
Thank you both for your thoughtful attention to the industry and this topic. I've been evaluating/reading and watching every video comparison between the Sony A7 IV and the Canon R6 II for a few months now. I keep swinging back and forth. Luckily I'm not pressed for time at all. And even though Canon wins for so many checkboxes that matter to me, the lens cost and lack of 3rd party is a huge hit against them. And this week I heard that Sigma is finally licensing the RF mount and there have been murmurs that Tamaron will soon follow. So, I may jump into the R6ii and just get an RF100mm F2.8 L Macro IS USM for just under $1K and live with that (and maybe 1-2 used EF lenses) until Sigmas arrive. As much as I like some Sony A7 IV features - I think the more pro features in the Canon will serve my needs more fully.
Hello, the difference between the "Olympus" 300/4.0 and a 600/4.0 is not difficult to explain. As far as the exposure parameters and are concerned, both are the same! The ff-lense only has a shallow deph of field, but for 11.000 Euros more!!!
@@josefmolina3510 I was very disappointed when I fell for the hype and purchased a full frame system that was newer and 5 times more expensive than my M43 system. I have since gone back to M43 for most things. M43 is far from dead, and with technology improving all the time, M43 is in a prime position to be the sweet spot of interchangeable lens camera system of the future.
@@josefmolina3510 It all depends on the photographer's needs. If the ISO 10000 range is important, then M43 will be worse. If ISO stays below 1000, M43 is very convenient.
Nikons mistake was not immediately jumping into mirrorless once Sony gained some traction. I own a few older Nikon cameras and Nikon glass. Their older cameras had amazing image quality sooc. They let Sony progress while Nikon gave up a lot of customers to Sony and canon. If they had just went all in as fast as possible the. I think they would’ve been tied or even higher than Sony. What choice did Nikon shooters have after the d850 and the d6? Most people could see that dslrs were dead when Sony gained a lot of traction and canon followed. It’s just too bad that Nikon made that mistake. They were one of my favorite camera brands. Now I’ve moved into the Sony ecosystem and it doesn’t make sense for me to go back.
I am currently where you were few years ago. Would you say Nikon has caught up now? The big benefit I see is the larger selection of lenses and I don't have to throw all my old lens out.
Canon ads grabbed me at a young age, I’m 60 now and just bought an R10! Starting to stray out of auto mode, loving every moment! The 18-45 f4.5 kit lens is giving me very fine photos!
I’ve only recently became interested in photography again. In the 1970s I majored in photography at a community college, and was a serious hobbyist. Needless to say it was film. I did both color and b&w work, but mostly b&w. I loved working in the darkroom. I started out with Canon (AT-1, completely manual), but later switched to an Olympus OM-1. Coming back to photography I did quite a bit of research, and settled on Sony, not because of what I ended up purchasing (Cyber-Shot DSC HX409v), but for the future camera I’ll buy if I decide to continue with the hobby. I must say I was a bit shocked at the prices of modern digital cameras, but equally shocked at the capabilities of those cameras. My current “next” camera will probably be one of the two new 7C cameras: the 7C Mark II, or the 7C R (I’ll wait for your review). And I really want that FE 70-200mm F4 Macro G OSS II lens. I had decided my future camera before buying the HX400v to play around with. I’m an old fart, 74, but I still like having fun. I only considered Canon, Nikon, and Sony. I just couldn’t make myself like Panasonic or Fuji. Thanks for your channel. 😊
I’m older too and found myself with a Easter egg of funds and longed to get back into photography from my youth, I started with a 2nd hand Canon setup from a friends older brother and loved it then I got the Nikon D90 and progressed to a Nikon D300 and it broke about 15 years ago and I was never able to repair it so I sold everything off, that was a mistake because I had a lot of great lenses. So just a few months ago I decided to buy my dream camera…the Nikon D850 and a few really good lenses with accessories. I probably should have gone mirrorless but I’ve always loved the D850 when I read the spec sheet and looked at it at our local photo shop back in 2017. Having it and using it has been a dream and I was a lot smarter about the quality of glass I bought. I still don’t have 1 more of the holy Trinity and I want 1 more lens but I’m really happy now. My advise is to really research your lenses and make sure you put as much into your glass as possible with any camera system you buy, I don’t think it matters what brand you buy as long as it has a good track record and foreseeable future and you can’t go wrong with Sony. I was really surprised with capabilities and Options they have, they are a terrific camera brand and I would pick them or Canon as a secondary option. Have fun!
@@edwardwilliams188 What's the D850 like? You still happy with your purchase? I've been shooting with a old 70D for close to 10 years now. Only moving to mirrorless this year because of accident and insurance. ;) If it wasn't for that I would have probably still be shooting another 10 years :D
17:59 What Tony mentions here is exactly what ended up driving me from Nikon to Sony. The recent release of the Z6 III was the moment when I realized I didn't ever want to spend north of 2000 moneys on a Nikon body to upgrade my Z5. Many great things about Nikon cameras in general (the "Nikon haptics" really are amazing), but it's very true that the older ones can't keep up in many ways. Seems Nikon has written off the entry-level segment at exactly the time when they'd finally be able to deliver an absolute killer affordable hybrid camera. Still looking forward to any news about a Z5 II.
Chelsea thank you 4your recognition of my 1st purchase, the AE1 Program ... nostalgia came over thinking of the European trip shooting with FujiChrome & KodaChrome in 1979'.. And now own as well 100V, had them all since their inception and XT's. Shoot mainly for IQ the days with 7RIVa behind GM's ... no need to ask why !! Cheers fom AU🙃
I can't really remember why but when i bought my first DSLR it HAD to be a Canon (350D) in 2005. To be fair Canon ruled the world at that time with Nikon in second. Sony wasn't even around at the time I think. I feel the same way today. Yes you are absolutly right about Canon being somewhat boring but still to this day I love the look and feel of a Canon in my hands.
Sony does it for me because you can get some great third-party glass, the mount is interchangeable with it's APSC line, they are constantly releasing new tech, and there are many different priced bodies that suit almost everybody. Fujifilm is my second favorite as they have the best aesthetics/shooting experience, and make excellent travel cameras.
I shot Nikon for over 30 years. Late 2022, I invested $18k in a complete Sony kit. Since I do not shoot sports or wildlife (I shoot travel, architecture, portraits, boudoir), I opted for the A7RV due to the resolution. I also bought the batt grip (not sure why LOL) and all GM and GM II glass as well (16-35, 24-70 II, 70-200 II, 35 1.4, 50 1.2, 85 1.4). With the exception of the Sony 85mm GM lens, I could not be more pleased with this kit. Challenging photos like night time travel and low light boudoir photos are absolutely stunning with this body and any of the above mentioned lenses. As a side note, the Tamron 35-150 2.0-2.8 lens is AMAZING on my A7RV.
I hope you can appreciate how fortunate you are. I am satisfied with my a7r4 and 7 lenses of which only one is Sony. My favorite lenses are the Sigma 150-600 sport and my Tamron 24-75 v2
Informative and fun discussion! Thanks. I sold my Canon 7D in 2015 for a Sony a6000 and have been evolving in the Sony system ever since due to familiarity and lens purchases. It's nice to get info on the camera landscape. Waiting to see what the Sony a7CII or 7Cr is like because I'm enamored with the smaller form factor and heck, who doesn't like buying a new camera for a little inspiration! But I totally agree, keep working on your photography skills and you'll take great pictures with most any camera.
I gifted away my 7D in 2015 and I still miss it. Newer cameras are faster, with sharper, cleaner sensors, but they're missing something I can't put into words. I had an a7R II and a 5DS R. I got *rid of them and kept my Nikon D70s. I'm a hobbyist, so I'll take emotion and feeling over resolution and cleanliness. *typo
Always dreaming of getting a new camera! Interesting to see these brands battle it out by coming out with great updates and features. I don't think you can go wrong with any of these brands. Of course, in the end it's the skill of the photographer that is most important. Thanks for a great discussion.
I am an amateur photographer and recently I was praised by two professional photographers over some photographs I'd taken. When I showed them my set-up they couldn't believe the photo's came from this. I had to show the raw file's as proof. My camera is the Nikon d3100 an adapter was added so I could pair it with a Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 2.8/50 Len's I bought from a charity shop connected to a Praktica LTL 35mm SLR all for £5 or roughly $7. What a result....
I've always been with Nikon, starting with their Coolpix cameras when I was young, but it's when I decided to buy my first serious video camera for filmmaking that everyone raved over Sony despite having a terrible low-end market. I was being told to buy Sony as a future upgrade path, I was being told to buy Sony because they're "designed for videography" (whatever that means) and I always had youtubers tell me that Nikon is "getting better" despite being on-par in multiple areas. I never shook that feeling of buyer's remorse because of the insults and biases from other brand users, and any consolation from the Nikon community came from 60+ year old photographers (including my grandfather.) Nikon seems to be struggling with the younger market I guess, but it's the bias that a lot of youtubers have that are contributing to this issue.
Just ignore all this nonsense about which camera is best. It is pretty tedious. Just use the camera you feel happy and comfortable with, the one you enjoy using. I enjoy using Nikon and Fujifilm. Nothing against the other makes, it is what I am happy with and enjoy. I still use film and sometimes a Micro four thirds Lumix. I even use an old point and shoot with the ever beautiful CCD sensor. Photography should be fun, I do not use a Sony, for example, because I do not enjoy them, but they are still a good camera (maybe the images are a little bit to digital and sharp for my liking, but that is personal taste)
Thank you for this video -- well laid out and nothing much to dispute I am deeply invested in time; number of images taken and length of footage taken; and in gear from Nikon and Hasselblad - I have no intention or need to change systems. I have been on a bumpy ride with Nikon until I received my first Z9 (I have had 2 since Feb 2022) and then the Z8 (I have 2 of these as well) - why 20 fps Lossless RAW / 8.3K 60p or 4k 120p N-RAW N-log all on quite possibly the best wildlife/action glass from anyone the Z400/2.8TC and Z600/4TC together with full coverage in FF s-line zooms from 14mm to 400mm and a selection of primes. I am old and the weight/size is no issue for me. Then came the X2D-100C and the TWO new V series XCD lenses (yes with the 2.5/90 still pending). Since H stopped the H-line the X series is their only game and so as you say if their camera brand is to continue in a meaningful way (so not just cameras for DJI drones which are selling) then: a) they need to/must implement continuous AF on the X2D-100C and potentially add some form of tracking; and b) the line-up of XCD "V" lenses needs to take over the XCD 4/21 (no longer in production) and the rest of the current wonderful but slow and heavy XCD lens line-up. AT $3000-4500 per lens on top of the $8000 body it is a big ask - but some of us diehard 16-bit shooters luv these files and the slower stills shooting experience. No way was I buying into the GFX 100/100s lineup -- the far far too slow flash sync speed is a killer. Also the X2D and Nikon share the same flash heads/triggers and so I can swap between them easily. I never had the issues you folk had with the Z9 or Z8 - but then I am really old and learned to shoot wildlife manually focussing back in the 1970s and then with really basic DSLRs all the way to the D5/D850. The Z9/Z8 just blow all previous Nikons out of the water and so I simply do not care what other brands can do with their AF -- not after buying 14 of the top Nikkor Z-mount lenses, still owning 3 PCE and several Z-mount CINE lenses. Chelsea's closing comment on needing to know basic photography is spot on; but I go further - as a pro-level shooter you had better also know your gear and I mean REALLY WELL, set it up for success with each type of subject you shoot and have built deep muscle memory so you are not fumbling about while action is in front of your lens. AND with all camera brands this is its own journey. Only fools drop $10k, $20k or a whole lot more and expect the camera to do all the work -- they will not. Please if you are such a fool - just stick to a cell phone.
A camera is a box that shoots pictures and videos. if you take the time to learn how to use it, you can make great pictures with just about any of them (well except the ZV-1F). I got into all of this because the ZV-E10 was $700 and had a boat load of lenses to pick from. I started with the E10 in auto-mode for everything..... my pictures and vids were in a word c-rap. Then someone told me to use the auto-focus and use manual for everything else... for the first month more c-rap, then things got better and better as I shot more shots and filmed more film. Now I think I could pick up just about any camera (well except the ZV-1F lol) and do good work. I said good not great but I think I am growing each day.
The other problem with the canon is, there is no high quality wide angle, weather seals lenses available with professional grade optics that are available with OM system, cameras and lenses.
Started with Nikon DSLR, went to Sony A1/A9 but always disliked the ergonomics and the colors/rendering, went to Canon R3/R5, which I feel is much better than the A1(the R3, that is, R5 is not far behind, though). Nothing can touch the R3 in low light, cleanest files I've ever seen at high ISO. plus, Canon menus and ergonomics are just spot on. I have a Z9, and it's like going home to Nikon colors/files/ergonomics, just sucks it's all so heavy. The Nikon def has a pop/rendering the others don't have. In the end, it's all preference. Not every camera/lens is optimal for what you want to see.
Hello Northrups. Is there a list of current camera models, which offer seperate and simultaneously present settings for Shutter Speed and Aperture? I have noticed that many entry level camera don't. For beginners I wouln't offer cameras without sepereate control wheels or buttons.
You can still use any brand with Canon RF mount by using the EF-RF adaptor, I have inherited my son's collection of EF glass after he switched over to Fujifilm, so I can use his EF glass easily on my R7.
I don't care about the brand, I go for the option that seems best for me. I'm super happy with my Panasonic S5II and I think it will stay with me for a long time because it's so packed with features. I'm a little jealous though of Sony and Canon users because there are SO MANY options for cages, lenses etc. I hope that the S5II (and the X) becomes so popular that demand for these things increase.
@@ElMundoDuro Yeah I'm really happy with Sigma, I have two of their excellent lenses. Samyang has recently joined L mount so I'm looking forward to see what they will offer. Slowly but surely the system is growing 😀
Canon is kinda terrible if you want a wide range of lenses. Pretty much every range has their own mount solution and they haven't opened up their standard so you are stuck with first party lenses as well.
Olympus became famous in UK with clever marketing because of David Bailey and the adverts especially with famous celebrities, the Olympus Trip became the must have camera of its time ... compact and quick and simple to use with a good lens. The emphasis was fun. However, pretty well everything that their cameras were famous for, street, party and fashion etc... is now fully the domain of the smart phone. Olympus buyers may simply be nostalgic.
I love the concept of doing "annual" reviews of these brands. My wife and I were discussing this last night. We need an annual "Camera Combine" where various tests are staged and different reviewers to through and complete the tests that are agreed upon. This way tests are centralized and agreed upon. It's so difficult to find outright winners as everyone does their own tests. We both enjoy your tests the most though!
Hi Tony and Chelsea, I have a video suggestion, becasue I have been have a hard time transitioning from my Nikon D90 to my Cannon R7. Years ago I learned Spanish using the Pimsleur audio tapes. In these cassettes the English speacker would ask how you would say something, then wait for you to respond, before a Spanish speaker would say the phrase. It worked very well. I would like to see someone do videos where you take an R7 for example, and set up for a landscape shot, then to a macro shot, then to a portrait shot , then to video, then to cinematic video format, etc. In each case: 1. You tell the viewer what type of shot to set up. 2. Then you pause for the viewer set up all the camera settings for that shot as well as they can. 3. Then you show them all the settings you chose. 4. Finally, the viewer corrects anything they missed. Then you go to the next type of shot. I call these drilling videos. We can watch them over and over again, until we are fluent in that camera's settings. Due to the repeats, you would get increased numbers of views. (Do you have any idea how many times I watched your Drone certification video?) I loved your excyplooedic inventory of the R7 menu but it was a bit overwhelming. We could also use these vids to review our camera skill set once in a while. These vids would be popular as long as the camera model is popular. Please Let me know what you think. Love your work! Tom (Driftless Heights channel)
Recently made a big jump from D750 DSLR to A7IV due to pressure from work. Was nervous at first making the jump but after some tutorials and adaptation, phew... it was a pleasant relief as it's such an amazing upgrade. It felt like switching from a butter knife to a freshly-sharpen chef knife to cut vegetables. Taking lifestyle vertical portraits is sooo much easier and super fast due to the screen orientation and 0 effort focus. As socmed users' behavior evolves, business clients demand more videos and reels. Hence, this hybrid workhorse is just fantastic for freelancer to make great commercial photo and video content/ads. Though, I still like Nikon's colours straight out of raw files, A7IV to me feels abit greenish on skintone. I think Nikon is more suited for nature photography, documentary photos, and chill portrait sessions.
Loved your book "Stunning digital photography"! I use my Fuji GFX 100s for portraits and landscapes. Love the images for the price. I am looking forward to the canon R1 to see how it compares with the Sony A1. I have shot Canon and Nikon for years with the last Nikon being the D850 and the last canon being the R5. Favorite lens RF 28-70 F2. Favorite lenses for the Fuji GFX, 45-100 and the 110 F2. I feel clumsy with the Sony user interface and the cost of the CFX-A vs CFX-B was a lot. Good luck and wish you both a lot of luck. Shooting since 1979.
Nice discussion. For me it's Sony who I think are responding quickest to needs of photographers and photoenthusiasts. Although I can't decide between a6700 and xs20, please help!
Apologies, but I think you both have a bit of a one-dimensional view of certain brands. Particularly OM-System and micro four thirds cameras. Note that I no longer own MFT cameras, but I do understand OM-Systems philosophy on design. I don't think they are just cutsey fashion accessories. OM-S philosophy appears to be small but highly rugged cameras aimed at adventuring in harsh conditions. The OM-1 is exceptionally rugged and exceptionally well-rounded, with super high burst rates and impressive video features. Having a small, rugged and high performing camera like that on a heavy hike would be amazing. I'm kind of tired of the full-frame and resolution points, we know what they are so, so played out now. In general though, I thought this was a great video and fairly accurate assessment of the market. I feel Panasonic are the real dark horses in this race (though I've owned 8 so I may be a tad bias 😅)
Thank you for a good informative video. I mostly shoot video and I love my Lumix G85. Would I like to upgrade to the S5 II, sure but for now I am finding great success with a camera that just keeps going.
I shoot Fuji and Nikon. I'm a hobbyist and I dont care about outstanding eye auto focus and generally Am not interested in either Sony or Canon. I'm just comfortable with Fuji and I love the well balanced feel of my Nikon z6 & 7.
Appreciate the video. I'm an beginner to intermediate photographer looking to get into the full frame world. I really like the ergonomics of the Nikon z6ii and z7ii, but I know they lack some of the features that the Sony alpha series has. Do you think Nikon will ever trickle the tech from their top tier cameras into their intermediate bodies? Or am I better off going with a company like Sony that has more 3rd party lens support, and seems to be innovating more when it comes to different tiers/lines of cameras?
I do agree if OM systems want to be sought after buy more photographers, and to keep the photographers that use her system. Currently they need to come up with an all new sensor with a minimum of 28 megapixels of resolution without losing the low light performance the camera has currently with the current sensor they’re using with the OM-1, After all the pixel density is higher on the small sensors, I think an 8 megapixel improvement and resolution would be sufficient seeing that the sensor is quarter the size of a full frame sensor, you cannot beat the build quality of their cameras for going out, and all kinds of terrible weather in their cameras are built to last, unlike some cameras that are made to be disposable.
I am a Sony user but I would like to see them take on Fuji in the comsumer market. Maybe produce a fixed lens small bodied full frame or possible they could partner with a film company (Kodak?) and make film simulations for in camera jpeg processing.
I think that you cannot go wrong with any of the Big Three companies. You just have to decide what qualities are most important to you and make a decision accordingly. I love the ergonomics of Nikon cameras. I had first picked them up in Best Buy and I liked the EVF as well as the grip on Nikon the best. When I first bought into the system 2 years ago, the lens availability was a bit lacking. They have since fixed this. The menus are easy to navigate, and I like the Z mount and all the glass that goes with it, especially the S series glass. I own a Z50 (which I never use anymore) and a Z6 which meets all my needs. I don't really enter into any situations that are really taxing for the autofocus. If I needed more MP or found the autofocus was not cutting it, then I would probably upgrade to the Z8. I would be very curious to pick up the newer Canons, but I am all set with Nikon.
I still use a Nikon D810 that i bought used 4 years ago (at the time it had close to 500k shutter acts). After using it for this years I felt in love with this camera in so many ways that I think it´s ready to be used for more years to come. The camera is super beaten up and has 780k shutter acts now (still with original shutter), this only shows the reliably and durability. The imagine quality is crazy in my opinion, paired with my 85mm 1.4 nikkor its just beautiful. This camera has been released for almost 10 years and still "kills" a big majority of cameras nowadays at least in image quality. Autofocus is amazin but live view it´s a bit weak for todays standards, video quality with AF it´s very very bad tho.
I dropped Canon in the spring when I noticed my EF lenses Image Stabilization never ever turned off on any Canon RF camera with IBIS such as my R6. I tested it out and saw that on my R6 it was on all the time (I tested 7 EF IS lenses). On my wifes RP the EF IS worked no differently then it did on my DSLR's. A Canon RF lens mount camera with IBIS NEVER TURNS YOUR IMAGE STABILZATION OFF!!! And sadly no UA-camr DARES talk about this. But truthfully I dropped Canon because I realized this "flaw" was something they were aware of and the are PURPOSELY trying to wear out your EF lenses Image Stabilization system. Tony SHOULD look into this but he wont. I have been happy with my Sony A7 IV and use a Sigma MC-11 adapter and my Canon IS lenses work no differently then they did on my Canon DSLR cameras. The IS turns off after awhile.
My first 35 mm camera was a used Nikkormat EL back around '79, next was new FE2 in '80s and used for decades, still have it. Then D40, D7000, D7500 and then D500 and still use daily. I have never had one iota of a problem with any of them. In '05 or '06 I wanted a pocket sized camera and bought a Canon A620, followed by an S90 then S95, then a G7X which I still used. No issues with any of these either. Likely soon I will buy a Z8 to be in mirrorless. Nikon bodies are built well ,feel sturdy and fit like a glove. Think sticking with them as they are a smaller company that strives really hard to be excellent, and I think no doubt the Z mount and the lenses are terrific. If I ever switched, Canon would be second.
You know a little jewel that fits in the pocket all arounder that fascinates me is the Ricoh GR3. Can you try it out, review it Tony & Chelsea??? It really is a little gem. Thanks for what you do.
Question regarding Canon R bodies: is it true that, when using Canon RF lenses on the R bodies, the stabilization & AF perform better than with 3rd party lenses? Does that also hold true with Nikon Z & Sony mirrorless bodies regarding the use of their 3rd party options?
Fuji, Nikon, Canon and Sony are all brands that I have been at one point or another deeply invested in. Currently, I like Nikon best, but for the majority of use cases, Canon is the clear winner. Sony has the best autofocus technology overall, but they are poor in their menus and design. This is obviously subjective, but it has been my experience. Fuji is the brand that I have totally sold off primarily because it is just APS, not full frame. My primary system is the Nikon Z system with lots of lenses. I also have a core Canon RF system that comes out occasionally centered on an R and r6. Canon’s proprietary mount and focus on just high end and low end glass is a problem. I am not getting rid of the system yet, but it may be on the launch pad. I have the core of everything I need in both Canon and Nikon, so no sense of urgency.
I was a Pentax guy for many years. Not too expensive, and the supply of 2nd hand lenses is fantastic. Autofocus let me down a few times, so I knew I needed to change up. I ended up buying a Nikon, only because I preferred the ergonomic design. And as a glasses wearer, I couldn't see the whole display with the Canon. Been a Nikon user ever since. Mainly because I've got a lot of Nikon glass, which would cost me a fortune to replace. Currently flying a D850 and loving it. Got absolutely no desire to go mirrorless.
Your book (Stunning Digital Photography) is really great and has really helped me. I am about 1/3 the way through it. Anyone with even very little photography knowledge can pick it up
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Z30 has great focus in most situations. Nikon all the way. Sorry to hear you are sucked in to the Sony hype, where you have to spend $2000 each year for a new camera.
If I pay too much attention to the pros and cons of different brands of cameras, it will become very difficult to choose. But if I focus on photography itself, It becomes easier to choose. An excellent photographer can take excellent photos with any brand of camera, it’s just a difference in the feeling of using it, and the results are not too different.
So what did you choose?
@@reheapification2 There is so much competition for full frame, not only does it make me want to switch to new bodies, but also new expensive lenses. Money matters for non-professional photographers. So I chose APS-C FUJIFILM, because it makes me focus more on the photography itself.
Well said…cameras don’t take good pictures, photographers do
Agreed, this is why I went with Nikon, because they are just so much more accessible and useable.
@@westcoasthype619 I tried taking a good picture without a camera. It went poorly... Then with a great subject and good light in front of me, I did very little and the camera took a great picture. We're less important than everyone wants to believe.
I said it on the first video I ever watched, where Tony took a piece of glass to a nifty fifty to prove a few scratches won't kill a lens; I watch you two because of your INTEGRITY.
Don't give a flying leap what all the naysayers go on about, THAT shows through over and over again. That is what keeps me coming back.
Kudos.
I clearly qualify as a Nikon loyalist, and until the Z8 introduction a DSLR holdout. Now I’ve created a spreadsheet mapping out my F to Z transition plan. Your overview of the major brands, where they’ve been and where they are going was illuminating, especially for one who for convenience if nothing else ignored the other brands. I’m reminded of how much I loved using my OM-1 kit of decades ago. Recently my granddaughter, shopping for a film body, bought a vintage OM-1. She said it just spoke to her. She was unaware of my history with that camera. For all the tech specs and test reports, in the end our choices have more to do with love than logic.
That's a cool bit about your granddaughter and her camera choice. I bet that made for a q special feeling and memory.
Well, I just switched from my D850 to the R5 and already regret doing so with the 100-500 Canon costing twice as much as the 180-600 by Nikon. I am already calculating how much money I would love switching back to get the Z8 I waited for several years just to give up several months before it finally got announced.
I switched from D750 to R6 II, so I feel you. The D750 has better shadow recovery and better screen, although lower resolution. I just want to have Nikon again.. good priced f 1.8s and the 180-600 so much better value, third party lenses now, even buying Z8 will be cheaper in the long run, because great lenses will be priced good and you will save from them.
Yes just think how many sales Nikon would make and how many users they woudl keep if they had the Z6iii and Z7iii ot now! Not everyone can afford a Z8 (or wants that size)
I mean, that's basically what you get when you let others (influencers) lure you into changing brands.
Sometimes, your best bet is to just turn off the external noise and just focus on taking photographs while remaining patient for your next camera.
I've always doubted Canon, Sony, and now Fuji as well.
They're all good brands in their own right, except for Sony, as I truly hate Sony cameras to the core ever since I tested an A7II.
That camera felt like a goddamn toy with the most awful ergonomics and menu layout.
Nikon will always be my one and only camera brand.
It's the brand I learned photography on, and their cameras brought me an immense amount of joy ever since I first held one in my hand.
Some people are just too eager to jump ships these days, for some reason.
As if they need to upgrade their gear every other year.
And if a camera isn't perfect in every area, they toss it in a garbage bin, never to gaze upon it again.
It's so unfortunate, silly, and gluttonous.
Anyway, having said all that, I hope you do find a camera that will satisfy your needs.
Still a massive Nikon fan... the Z6ii is a phenomenal wedding camera and the Z8 is even better though I want the abilities of the Z8 in a Z6ii body and megapixel count. That'd be perfect for me. Good stuff guys. You are right in what you say about Sony seeming to place more kudos in delivering what the photographic community need / want. It's just a shame that their flaws are kinda looked over often... it's when you go into a Sony group on Facebook and realise all the things that annoy you about one brand are still there in Sony cameras, some to a lesser degree and then other things that you don't have an issue with using your camera drives Sony users nuts... As you have said many times, there is no perfect camera and no do it all brand. For me, Nikon still does the greatest amount of better stuff... errr better. lol. Keep em coming though, we can't all be the same.
Yup I have Fuji and Nikon mirrorless. Love them both.
Lucky you, the Z6 III is everything you want
One thing I didn’t hear you mention is that Sony also makes all of the sensors for the iPhone which means they have a huge incentive to continue to invest in cameras/sensor technology
They also make sensors for the other big camera brands.
I was all about Pentax for years…then they just kind of slipped away. So, I had to make a change…I chose Sony. Started with A73, loved it….but started getting more into video so I did upgrade to A74…and love it! I have a 24-105 G and a 100-400 GM for lenses. So, never used Canon or Nikon so I can’t make any comparison…all I can say, I love have loved my Sony Cameras.
I used used my Nikon D5100 for almost 10 years and had been happy with it. However, I found 3 new Nikon Z lenses that were at a deep discount at my electronic store earlier this year, I couldn't refuse them. They were the 28-75mm f2.8, the 14-30mm f4, and the 105mm f2.8. Each lens had a discount between $600-$700 off. Then I found the Nikon Z5 online in mint condition for $760 and the 50mm f1.8 that was also on a discount. Does Nikon have the better AF system over Sony or Canon, no. Am I able to get the shots I want with this camera? Yes. Their AF system is still very good to use.
Nikon earned the no. 3 spot, but I see they will continue to improve their AF systems to at least be on par with Sony and Canon. I want all three companies to continue to out-perform each other's cameras.
The thing is: by the time Nikon caught up (to the current level of the competition) they will have moved on up further still.
there will soon be nowhere to move up further in the AF departement, all 3 brands are very close to that already. what I see happening is their UI/UX and Apps as well as phone features coming from the Sony phones which Canon and Nikon simply won't be able to match.@@GeertDelmulle
@@nevensky As long Canon and Nikon will develop apps for android and apple OS it won't be a problem. In 99% of the cases (I guess) it's to be able to get some photo's or video's just taken on the MILC, transfer and edit on the smartphone or tablet and send it to clients for reviewing purpuses or put it on social media for MarCom purposes.
It’s not the AF that pushed me away from Nikon, or even their somewhat duller colours. But if you give me a low res EVF on a Z7II, you’ve lost me.
You just “kinda” implied Nikon is putting out stuff to be putting it out to keep “the stream” going without big updates.
Nikon has made the biggest updates compared to previous iterations.
Sony on the other hand does do that . They put out cameras more often with less upgrades.
As for the OM and 20mp check and see what the pixel pitch is then compare that to say maybe 60mp ff. Enough said
Sony's problem is the opposite, they release lesser spec cameras with more features than last years top cameras, like the zve1 with better features than the a7siii and even the a1 to name a couple.
I have Nikon Z6 ii and I love this camera for its feel, build and picture quality. Yeah it struggles a lot sometimes for focus but I can live with that. If I am spending this much amount of money I need a better build camera which will last for years. I had a Canon 1100D but it stopped working merely in 3 years or so but my D7200 was amazing it just never gave up. If you will come to India, in Mumbai you will find the photographers that work at few popular locations such as Gate way of India, Hajiali dargah, they use Nikon because it handles moisture better and it does not give up on them. And boy the camera feeling is another level with Nikon. I just love these Nikon cameras. ❤ If we are ranking cameras based on sales, then I think it's not the way to go, we should rank based on their build, quality materials used, picture quality, lenses availability, focus, FPSs etc. Sales cannot decide which one is better, as in India we call something is "Bhedchal" which is everyone follows someone else to buy something. And that raises their sales. 🙂
Pentax K3 Mark 3 with v2.0 software !
I am a hobbyist. I originally shot Olympus (film) in the early 80's. Then shot Nikon, film, then on to Canon T3i. I've been shooting Canon for 15+ years. I own an R5, and my retirement gift to me was a nice assortment of RF glass. I am in my 60's and will purchase 1 more camera. Originally was waiting for R5II or R1. I shoot Landscape, travel and some wildlife and portraits. I am now considering Leica Q2 or Q3 to use for travel and everday shooting. Will keep my R5 and most glass. Will decide in the next 6 months. Thanks for your video.
OM should put out a new pen-f
I have a lot of Canon EF lenses, but I am seriously thinking about switching to the Panasonic S5 II, as with an adapter all Canon EF lenses work as well as native lenses. So I would keep my Canon EF 100-400 II for example, but it would get even better because of the IS and the very good autofocus in the Panasonic S5 II.
For my style, OM-1 / Olympus / MFT all the way. No need for more MP since I almost never crop any image. Love the overall compact form-factor. Image quality is great and the OM-1 has plenty of high-level specs. Also, since OM Systems is pitching the camera as an outdoor / wildlife / adventure camera, does not mean you cannot use it for different styles… Feels like you made quite a quick conclusion on this system without real substantiation.
I think anno 2023 this system is still very relevant and deserves a spot next to the ‘big guys’, since it is providing quite an unique overall solution including a great range of high quality lenses. Just my humble opinion.
I can confidently say that using MFT lenses for wildlife is the closest we're getting to being able to do street photography but for animals.
Issue is how many customers is into the system to keep massive R&D costs. Tony and Chelsea said you do not see much innovation and new releases. Only OM-1, what is the new body they release with the newest tech in different pricepoint? What Tony and Chelsea said is true. OM-5 was a recycle of older tech. It is not encouraging. They have a point about OM is not focusing on media creation and to much about crop factor.
My Olys are my fun cameras! Such great features. Sony is my workhorse.
@@carolsantulis1990 This is the biggest problem for the m43 manufacturers. m43 is seen as a secondary system, hence having less sales so less R&D. I read that the workfoce of Olympus Digital department went from 6000 employees to 2000 employees when sold and now called OM System. OM System revenue is only 200 million dollars.
Every one of their videos I see OM users getting upset in the comments. It's actually kind of predictable.
All they said was that OM should focus more on street photography and consumer cameras, and they're not wrong. The OM-5 is their cheapest body at $1,000, and that's a pretty penny for a hobbyist trying to get into photography. They absolutely need to offer a body somewhere in the $500 range.
I personally use an Olympus everyday, and love it. But it's ridiculous to see all of the hate from other users. What they said isn't incorrect even if you don't like it. If you don't like their channel, just stop watching it.
29:50 the comment about the system is spot on. I moved up to FF Sony (A7r3), for IQ (and it did not disappoint) and lenses. However, then I found that video handheld was trash, and that all those good IQ lenses all had breathing for ages, and that video was in bad 8 bit codecs and limited in many ways. Then I saw that the microjitters would never go away (even my sisters A1 has them!) and many of the features I wanted were limited to expensive bodies. So I went to the S5II, good enough video AF, much much better video IQ, better ergonomics, and an ecosystem of good inexpensive primes and good, inexpensive variable aperture zooms. Now excited to see if the Samyang 35-150 arrives soon and how it works with the camera- knowing that SW updates will keep me happy if new things come up. System matters!
Selling Sony or Canon for Nikon? Already sold my Sony A7IV after having it six months. Ergonomics plain and simple. Just couldn’t get used to it. My older LUMIX G9 M43 is a better handling and user experience. Migrating to Nikon system and Z8 (price to performance right where it appeals most to me) by end of year.
What about Sony E mount being too small to really leverage IBIS, especially for video. That’s not fixable, unless they create a wider mount
I have all 3 brands. Short story: you can do great photos with any of them! If that isn't the case you might be the problem. All camera brands have plusses and minusses.
I never thought I'd own a M43 camera, coming from full frame Canon and APS-C Fuji. I've really enjoyed my OM-5 and carry it everywhere. The depth of field offered by the sensor is perfect for street photography, and it is small enough to not get noticed. I agree that their focus should be elsewhere (a new PEN, for instance), but I am enjoying learning macro techniques. Their monochrome JPEGs look great, too.
I went full circle from M43 to APSC to Full Frame, back to M43. For landscape photography the shallower depth of field is a benefit. For wildlife photography the 2x crop factor gets you closer with a smaller lens. The smaller lenses let me bring more options with me when traveling. The low light capabilities are not always great, but some of the best astrophotographs I have taken were with my M43 system despite the full frame system costing me 5 times more. When doing portraits, clients often prefer the images from the M43 system over the full frame system making it hard to say which is really the A camera and which is the B camera. As technology continues to evolve and new products come out, I am excited to see what M43 brings us.
The new-ish OM 90mm macro lens is stunning!
@@UnconventionalReasoning That is what I have heard. I just wish it didn't cost so much. I like to dabble in Macro, but hard to justify spending that much just to dabble.
@@ElMundoDuro Same here. I'd love to pick one up, but as a beginner it's out of my price range. The 60mm macro is frequently on sale, though, and does a good job at the price point. It's also frequently on my camera as an everyday/walkaround telephoto lens.
@@ElMundoDuro The Olympus 60mm f/2.8 macro is $450, about $300 used. It's excellent, I had a relative get one for flower photography. They really enjoy the results.
Nikon was so popular when I first started in the early 70's because every lens fit every Nikon camera body. You could travel anywhere in the world pick up a Nikkor lens and you were guaranteed it would bolt on. Canon kept swapping lens mounts. It was vital if you needed to travel light and have loan gear available when you arrived. I retired a few years back, but stuck with Nikon for decades and swear by them.
I have shot every brand, even Pentax. I hate Sony. Terrible ergonomics, colors, rendering, jpegs. I sold A6300 shortly after buying. It was a brick in my hand. I now shoot Nikon full frame film and Fuji mirrorless
Agreed that the a6300 sucked. Sony has since changed their color and won our blind color science comparison. The newer FF cameras have better ergonomics (though not as good as Nikon).
I love my Nikon and Panasonic MFT cameras. The fact that people like you... have convinced people to sell their awesome equipment, so I can buy them used... for a good bargain... THANK YOU! Proud of my images with this equipment. Keep up the good work!
Damn right. I'd like to thank him personally for financially crippling other people going for a $6500 body and $15,000 lens so I can buy something that's beyond great for 1/20th of the price.
We are the Smart ones
Nikon Z in APS-C lenses are now four Z DX lenses: kit Z 16-50mm, Z 12-28mm PZ (with power zoom ring), Z DX 24mm f1.7, and Z 18-140mm, however you can also add Z FF lenses. Four is more than just two Z DX lenses. There are also a half dozen third party Z lenses out there.
50-250, makes 5 native Z DX 😏
The f mount converter works great, so you can add modern F lenses to this as well. I occasionally shoot through an older 35 mm 1.8 'G' lens and it works fine.
It's interesting you said that Sony doesn't have any more affordable entry options for full-frame. As a newer hobbyist photographer, one of the reasons I ended up in Sony was because they had quite a few older (and therefore cheaper) models still in production. I ended up with an A7R3. I paid about as much as I would have for an EOS R8. Maybe keeping older models in production is how they get around not having cheaper full-frame entry models?
Sure sony has affordable options like the a7iii but you dont really want to go lower then that
@@Pamela-c5o for sure, the original post was about ff so that would explain my comment. :)
exactly, just got a7r iii for like 1000$. in my country a73 and a7r3 cost +- the same, with a73 being sometimes pricier than the r3 on the used market. and it feels like the best deal I've ever done. went with r3 cause I've wanted more details and ability to crop + to see improvements over 24 mp. since it would be my 3rd camera with 24mp if I went with the r3. and full frame 42mp for a bit less than 1000$ is just a banger.
I enjoy having my M43 lenses and that's why I stay with that system. I like switching between macro, telephoto wildlife, and snake photography and it's easier for me despite having two beefier M43 bodies (EM-1 MARK II and G9). But if I had the ability to invest in 35mm format, I like Nikon. Never had FF but like the beefy body and they have a nice selection of affordable wildlife gear. But there's already great wildlife selection for me with Olympus and Panasonic at MFT so I'm good.
The G9 and the Nikon cameras have a very similar feel and layout. It has been easy to go back and forth.
@@UnconventionalReasoning yes. I might get a Z6II or something down the road, but what kept me going with MFT is that there are wildlife and macro photographers that put out phenomenal work with the lens lineup available (Petr Bambousek's work is insane!) It's the reason I don't put much stock into what Tony says about OM's capabilities (although I agree they could stand to expand their audience to other genres as a business decision).
@@AguilaDeOnix85 I saw the OM 90mm macro lens a few months ago, it looks really sweat. The Nikon 200mm f/4D micro lens is unbeaten, though. The smaller lenses for 300mm is definitely a bonus with M43. I think Nikon *must* release the Z6III in the next year. Since you're happy with M43 for now, I'd at least wait for the Z6III. Getting the same processor as the Z9/Z8 will be significant.
Never heard someone specifically mention "snake photography". Do you share your photos anywhere online?!
I bought a Canon RP a few years ago. When I was looking, I really didn't want to spend a fortune on an R5 or A7 IV. I also have some EF glass that I would have had to sell and re-buy in the E-Mount, which adds to the cost of switching. I tried out the A7III, and while it was close in features and quality, the RP was a better value for me, and I've never looked back.
Panasonic is my favorite. But I’m disappointed by all brands for not having computational photography on par with iPhone 14 Pro if not better. Specifically blending 100s of exposures in a split second to produce a single Raw with insane DR. No excuse in 2023.
As a longtime "Pentaxian" I recently switched to the Nikon Z system (Nikon Z6 II) with their fantastic S-lenses! I am sooo happy with my decision, that was mostly based on the fantastic haptic of the Nikon Z6 II, its build quality and because Nikon offers the only weather sealing that is quite on par with the ones build in Pentax cameras and lenses! Canon is quite behind both of them and Sony`s weather sealing is more or less useless!
Same thing here. Pro Pentaxian since the 80s, switched to Sony and am delighted.
I also think that Nikon offers the best ergonomics, weather sealing and overall build quality/feel.
I use a Canon 5D mk4, it was my dream camera for years and I’m sticking with it for two reasons. One it gets the job done and two because I’m happy with it. Love your videos!!!
Good comparison, I am in a situation right now where I don't know whether to switch to Sony from Canon. I'm a hobbyist wildlife photographer and I shoot with a 90D and I love it. However, I was looking forward to the a6700 but i'm unsure if I should go with it. On one hand its Sonys best aps-c and there is a TON of lenses, on the other the R7 which has everything I want and more as it is the 90D successor. Although there is not as many lenses or especially affordable telephotos available for the RF mount; still the 100-500 gets a lot of praise (should I save up?) and there is rumors about Canon opening their mount up more. So, i'm unsure what I should do or even if I should go full frame now.
I own a canon 7dii, R7 and Sony A6600.
Of you own good canon glass then the R7 is the future, if own cheap low-quality glass then you can get what system / brand you want. I like my A6600 as it is small and a great travel and stealth camera. I use my canon L glass on it via sigma MC-11 EF to E mount adapter, and this set up works reasonably well. However when I put my EF L glass on my R7 the lenses are snappy, and very quick AF.
Very simple. The best camera brand is the one that YOU like the best. They all do things that people like and dislike. It's what works for you
I love Nikon, but it stays at home most of the time and I take the OM-1 out to shoot birds, landscapes and closeups. I love the 300mm f/4.
Im strickly a video shooter which is why I shoot CANON. I hate them as a company but, I love their colr and auto focus. Ill die with an R5 in my hand! Great video as always!
I've switched eco-systems twice now in the last 20 years... Started with Nikon... upgraded a couple of times in that period, D200, D7000, D7100, D600. Then switched to Panasonic, GH4, GH5 -Started wedding videos... then 5 years ago switched again to Sony, A7iii, AC7, A7IV, ZVe10. I'm staying with Sony for the remainder... just great gear, great value, great gear/lens selection. I still do weddings, but with Panasonic gear... But would love to switch to FX3s at some point....
Pentax - not a mention! Yes, useless for video but great build including weather sealing and with a menu system that's simple to use and great viewfinders. They last as my K5 from 2011 proves. For someone on a budget the compatibility with older lenses combined with this build means you can have a system that's still reasonably priced and allows the novice to experiment and learn their craft.
Brilliant cameras, still prefer using Pentax to my mirrorless camera, even if you do have to work it a bit more. In the end that becomes part of the joy.
Chelsea, I have to agree with you concerning the AE-1, my first SLR was a AE-1 Program, so I am a bit bias towards it, but I just love them. My dad bought it new, and when he got his EOS-3, I took it over from him.
The only person I had talk to me about Olympus was someone talking about micro four third magnification and how convenient and portable it was for wildlife photography
Pangolin Wildlife Photography UA-cam has a video (18:40 mark) about this and actually shows the difference between R3/600 F4 vs OM1/300 F4. The MFT not as bokelicious lol
the r3 costs £5.5k 😂 OM-1 is £1900 @@FQ8 - a second hand 600f4 is about £600 more then a second hand 300 f4
Thank you both for your thoughtful attention to the industry and this topic. I've been evaluating/reading and watching every video comparison between the Sony A7 IV and the Canon R6 II for a few months now. I keep swinging back and forth. Luckily I'm not pressed for time at all. And even though Canon wins for so many checkboxes that matter to me, the lens cost and lack of 3rd party is a huge hit against them. And this week I heard that Sigma is finally licensing the RF mount and there have been murmurs that Tamaron will soon follow. So, I may jump into the R6ii and just get an RF100mm F2.8 L Macro IS USM for just under $1K and live with that (and maybe 1-2 used EF lenses) until Sigmas arrive. As much as I like some Sony A7 IV features - I think the more pro features in the Canon will serve my needs more fully.
Hello, the difference between the "Olympus" 300/4.0 and a 600/4.0 is not difficult to explain. As far as the exposure parameters and are concerned, both are the same! The ff-lense only has a shallow deph of field, but for 11.000 Euros more!!!
......the angle of view is also the same.
@@richardfink7666 you are a victim of Olympus' disinformation. Noise and detail level is the same as full frame with 600/4.0?
For the price of a lousy, little, tiny imitation of a camera sensor at M43. Which is a better noise generator. Hands off M43, RIP.
@@josefmolina3510 I was very disappointed when I fell for the hype and purchased a full frame system that was newer and 5 times more expensive than my M43 system. I have since gone back to M43 for most things. M43 is far from dead, and with technology improving all the time, M43 is in a prime position to be the sweet spot of interchangeable lens camera system of the future.
@@josefmolina3510 It all depends on the photographer's needs. If the ISO 10000 range is important, then M43 will be worse. If ISO stays below 1000, M43 is very convenient.
Nikons mistake was not immediately jumping into mirrorless once Sony gained some traction. I own a few older Nikon cameras and Nikon glass. Their older cameras had amazing image quality sooc. They let Sony progress while Nikon gave up a lot of customers to Sony and canon. If they had just went all in as fast as possible the. I think they would’ve been tied or even higher than Sony. What choice did Nikon shooters have after the d850 and the d6? Most people could see that dslrs were dead when Sony gained a lot of traction and canon followed. It’s just too bad that Nikon made that mistake. They were one of my favorite camera brands. Now I’ve moved into the Sony ecosystem and it doesn’t make sense for me to go back.
Going al in is pretty risky as a business tho?
They probably did not have the ressources to develop a competitve mirrorless system a fast as Sony did.
I am currently where you were few years ago. Would you say Nikon has caught up now? The big benefit I see is the larger selection of lenses and I don't have to throw all my old lens out.
Canon ads grabbed me at a young age, I’m 60 now and just bought an R10! Starting to stray out of auto mode, loving every moment! The 18-45 f4.5 kit lens is giving me very fine photos!
I’ve only recently became interested in photography again. In the 1970s I majored in photography at a community college, and was a serious hobbyist. Needless to say it was film. I did both color and b&w work, but mostly b&w. I loved working in the darkroom. I started out with Canon (AT-1, completely manual), but later switched to an Olympus OM-1. Coming back to photography I did quite a bit of research, and settled on Sony, not because of what I ended up purchasing (Cyber-Shot DSC HX409v), but for the future camera I’ll buy if I decide to continue with the hobby. I must say I was a bit shocked at the prices of modern digital cameras, but equally shocked at the capabilities of those cameras. My current “next” camera will probably be one of the two new 7C cameras: the 7C Mark II, or the 7C R (I’ll wait for your review). And I really want that FE 70-200mm F4 Macro G OSS II lens. I had decided my future camera before buying the HX400v to play around with. I’m an old fart, 74, but I still like having fun. I only considered Canon, Nikon, and Sony. I just couldn’t make myself like Panasonic or Fuji. Thanks for your channel. 😊
Look into the price of film and developing and the price of the digital camera is easier to take.
I’m older too and found myself with a Easter egg of funds and longed to get back into photography from my youth, I started with a 2nd hand Canon setup from a friends older brother and loved it then I got the Nikon D90 and progressed to a Nikon D300 and it broke about 15 years ago and I was never able to repair it so I sold everything off, that was a mistake because I had a lot of great lenses. So just a few months ago I decided to buy my dream camera…the Nikon D850 and a few really good lenses with accessories. I probably should have gone mirrorless but I’ve always loved the D850 when I read the spec sheet and looked at it at our local photo shop back in 2017. Having it and using it has been a dream and I was a lot smarter about the quality of glass I bought. I still don’t have 1 more of the holy Trinity and I want 1 more lens but I’m really happy now. My advise is to really research your lenses and make sure you put as much into your glass as possible with any camera system you buy, I don’t think it matters what brand you buy as long as it has a good track record and foreseeable future and you can’t go wrong with Sony. I was really surprised with capabilities and Options they have, they are a terrific camera brand and I would pick them or Canon as a secondary option. Have fun!
@@edwardwilliams188 What's the D850 like? You still happy with your purchase?
I've been shooting with a old 70D for close to 10 years now. Only moving to mirrorless this year because of accident and insurance. ;) If it wasn't for that I would have probably still be shooting another 10 years :D
17:59 What Tony mentions here is exactly what ended up driving me from Nikon to Sony. The recent release of the Z6 III was the moment when I realized I didn't ever want to spend north of 2000 moneys on a Nikon body to upgrade my Z5. Many great things about Nikon cameras in general (the "Nikon haptics" really are amazing), but it's very true that the older ones can't keep up in many ways.
Seems Nikon has written off the entry-level segment at exactly the time when they'd finally be able to deliver an absolute killer affordable hybrid camera. Still looking forward to any news about a Z5 II.
Chelsea thank you 4your recognition of my 1st purchase, the AE1 Program ... nostalgia came over thinking of the European trip shooting with FujiChrome & KodaChrome in 1979'.. And now own as well 100V, had them all since their inception and XT's. Shoot mainly for IQ the days with 7RIVa behind GM's ... no need to ask why !! Cheers fom AU🙃
I can't really remember why but when i bought my first DSLR it HAD to be a Canon (350D) in 2005. To be fair Canon ruled the world at that time with Nikon in second. Sony wasn't even around at the time I think. I feel the same way today. Yes you are absolutly right about Canon being somewhat boring but still to this day I love the look and feel of a Canon in my hands.
The AE-1 was my first camera as a kid in 1977 - still working today... 😯😵💫😂👍🏼
Thanks for your input! It really helps in trying to figure out the crazy camera market!
This was a great comparison, and I shared it with my Fujifilm owners group
Sony does it for me because you can get some great third-party glass, the mount is interchangeable with it's APSC line, they are constantly releasing new tech, and there are many different priced bodies that suit almost everybody. Fujifilm is my second favorite as they have the best aesthetics/shooting experience, and make excellent travel cameras.
Same here. Sony for me is #1 and Fujifilm is #2. I’m in love with the A7Sii (it’s my lover), and the Fujifilm X-T4 (it’s my best friend).
And since Fujifilm decided to open their mount, third party lenses started to come for Fujifilm
I shot Nikon for over 30 years. Late 2022, I invested $18k in a complete Sony kit. Since I do not shoot sports or wildlife (I shoot travel, architecture, portraits, boudoir), I opted for the A7RV due to the resolution. I also bought the batt grip (not sure why LOL) and all GM and GM II glass as well (16-35, 24-70 II, 70-200 II, 35 1.4, 50 1.2, 85 1.4). With the exception of the Sony 85mm GM lens, I could not be more pleased with this kit. Challenging photos like night time travel and low light boudoir photos are absolutely stunning with this body and any of the above mentioned lenses. As a side note, the Tamron 35-150 2.0-2.8 lens is AMAZING on my A7RV.
I hope you can appreciate how fortunate you are. I am satisfied with my a7r4 and 7 lenses of which only one is Sony. My favorite lenses are the Sigma 150-600 sport and my Tamron 24-75 v2
Informative and fun discussion! Thanks. I sold my Canon 7D in 2015 for a Sony a6000 and have been evolving in the Sony system ever since due to familiarity and lens purchases. It's nice to get info on the camera landscape. Waiting to see what the Sony a7CII or 7Cr is like because I'm enamored with the smaller form factor and heck, who doesn't like buying a new camera for a little inspiration! But I totally agree, keep working on your photography skills and you'll take great pictures with most any camera.
I gifted away my 7D in 2015 and I still miss it. Newer cameras are faster, with sharper, cleaner sensors, but they're missing something I can't put into words.
I had an a7R II and a 5DS R. I got *rid of them and kept my Nikon D70s. I'm a hobbyist, so I'll take emotion and feeling over resolution and cleanliness.
*typo
Problem is those aren’t much smaller than the a7iv etc. they just have a worse evf. You are better off with a 6100/6400/6700 for the size benefit.
Any recommendations for film camera ? Just one camera and lens combo that's an allrounder for portraits and street photography ?
In the question of "will there be any people selling their sony gear to go nikon?", add me to the list. A1->Z9. No regrets.
Always dreaming of getting a new camera! Interesting to see these brands battle it out by coming out with great updates and features. I don't think you can go wrong with any of these brands. Of course, in the end it's the skill of the photographer that is most important. Thanks for a great discussion.
I am an amateur photographer and recently I was praised by two professional photographers over some photographs I'd taken. When I showed them my set-up they couldn't believe the photo's came from this. I had to show the raw file's as proof. My camera is the Nikon d3100 an adapter was added so I could pair it with a Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar 2.8/50 Len's I bought from a charity shop connected to a Praktica LTL 35mm SLR all for £5 or roughly $7. What a result....
I've always been with Nikon, starting with their Coolpix cameras when I was young, but it's when I decided to buy my first serious video camera for filmmaking that everyone raved over Sony despite having a terrible low-end market. I was being told to buy Sony as a future upgrade path, I was being told to buy Sony because they're "designed for videography" (whatever that means) and I always had youtubers tell me that Nikon is "getting better" despite being on-par in multiple areas. I never shook that feeling of buyer's remorse because of the insults and biases from other brand users, and any consolation from the Nikon community came from 60+ year old photographers (including my grandfather.) Nikon seems to be struggling with the younger market I guess, but it's the bias that a lot of youtubers have that are contributing to this issue.
Excellent discussion. Personally I have preferred Canon interface design, but my favorite is still my Nikon D750 full frame.
Just ignore all this nonsense about which camera is best. It is pretty tedious. Just use the camera you feel happy and comfortable with, the one you enjoy using.
I enjoy using Nikon and Fujifilm. Nothing against the other makes, it is what I am happy with and enjoy.
I still use film and sometimes a Micro four thirds Lumix. I even use an old point and shoot with the ever beautiful CCD sensor.
Photography should be fun, I do not use a Sony, for example, because I do not enjoy them, but they are still a good camera (maybe the images are a little bit to digital and sharp for my liking, but that is personal taste)
Many people lack your experience, so they benefit from the input of others like T&C.
Thank you for this video -- well laid out and nothing much to dispute
I am deeply invested in time; number of images taken and length of footage taken; and in gear from Nikon and Hasselblad - I have no intention or need to change systems. I have been on a bumpy ride with Nikon until I received my first Z9 (I have had 2 since Feb 2022) and then the Z8 (I have 2 of these as well) - why 20 fps Lossless RAW / 8.3K 60p or 4k 120p N-RAW N-log all on quite possibly the best wildlife/action glass from anyone the Z400/2.8TC and Z600/4TC together with full coverage in FF s-line zooms from 14mm to 400mm and a selection of primes. I am old and the weight/size is no issue for me.
Then came the X2D-100C and the TWO new V series XCD lenses (yes with the 2.5/90 still pending). Since H stopped the H-line the X series is their only game and so as you say if their camera brand is to continue in a meaningful way (so not just cameras for DJI drones which are selling) then:
a) they need to/must implement continuous AF on the X2D-100C and potentially add some form of tracking; and
b) the line-up of XCD "V" lenses needs to take over the XCD 4/21 (no longer in production) and the rest of the current wonderful but slow and heavy XCD lens line-up. AT $3000-4500 per lens on top of the $8000 body it is a big ask - but some of us diehard 16-bit shooters luv these files and the slower stills shooting experience.
No way was I buying into the GFX 100/100s lineup -- the far far too slow flash sync speed is a killer. Also the X2D and Nikon share the same flash heads/triggers and so I can swap between them easily.
I never had the issues you folk had with the Z9 or Z8 - but then I am really old and learned to shoot wildlife manually focussing back in the 1970s and then with really basic DSLRs all the way to the D5/D850.
The Z9/Z8 just blow all previous Nikons out of the water and so I simply do not care what other brands can do with their AF -- not after buying 14 of the top Nikkor Z-mount lenses, still owning 3 PCE and several Z-mount CINE lenses.
Chelsea's closing comment on needing to know basic photography is spot on; but I go further - as a pro-level shooter you had better also know your gear and I mean REALLY WELL, set it up for success with each type of subject you shoot and have built deep muscle memory so you are not fumbling about while action is in front of your lens. AND with all camera brands this is its own journey. Only fools drop $10k, $20k or a whole lot more and expect the camera to do all the work -- they will not. Please if you are such a fool - just stick to a cell phone.
Would like to hear about Ricoh/Pentax, Phase One, and Lecia's SL system too!
A camera is a box that shoots pictures and videos. if you take the time to learn how to use it, you can make great pictures with just about any of them (well except the ZV-1F). I got into all of this because the ZV-E10 was $700 and had a boat load of lenses to pick from. I started with the E10 in auto-mode for everything..... my pictures and vids were in a word c-rap. Then someone told me to use the auto-focus and use manual for everything else... for the first month more c-rap, then things got better and better as I shot more shots and filmed more film. Now I think I could pick up just about any camera (well except the ZV-1F lol) and do good work. I said good not great but I think I am growing each day.
it sounds like you are learning! good job! what is up with the ZV-1F? i wanted that camera then saw the reviews and said "i will keep my mobile"
The other problem with the canon is, there is no high quality wide angle, weather seals lenses available with professional grade optics that are available with OM system, cameras and lenses.
Started with Nikon DSLR, went to Sony A1/A9 but always disliked the ergonomics and the colors/rendering, went to Canon R3/R5, which I feel is much better than the A1(the R3, that is, R5 is not far behind, though). Nothing can touch the R3 in low light, cleanest files I've ever seen at high ISO. plus, Canon menus and ergonomics are just spot on. I have a Z9, and it's like going home to Nikon colors/files/ergonomics, just sucks it's all so heavy. The Nikon def has a pop/rendering the others don't have. In the end, it's all preference. Not every camera/lens is optimal for what you want to see.
Hello Northrups. Is there a list of current camera models, which offer seperate and simultaneously present settings for Shutter Speed and Aperture? I have noticed that many entry level camera don't. For beginners I wouln't offer cameras without sepereate control wheels or buttons.
You can still use any brand with Canon RF mount by using the EF-RF adaptor, I have inherited my son's collection of EF glass after he switched over to Fujifilm, so I can use his EF glass easily on my R7.
Hi Tony and Chelsea, I always enjoy these multi brand discussions, I always learn something.
I don't care about the brand, I go for the option that seems best for me. I'm super happy with my Panasonic S5II and I think it will stay with me for a long time because it's so packed with features.
I'm a little jealous though of Sony and Canon users because there are SO MANY options for cages, lenses etc. I hope that the S5II (and the X) becomes so popular that demand for these things increase.
L mount has more good 3rd party options than Canon has. Sigma has some really good L Mount glass.... although I have only tried them on Sony.
@@ElMundoDuro Yeah I'm really happy with Sigma, I have two of their excellent lenses. Samyang has recently joined L mount so I'm looking forward to see what they will offer. Slowly but surely the system is growing 😀
Canon is kinda terrible if you want a wide range of lenses. Pretty much every range has their own mount solution and they haven't opened up their standard so you are stuck with first party lenses as well.
Olympus became famous in UK with clever marketing because of David Bailey and the adverts especially with famous celebrities, the Olympus Trip became the must have camera of its time ... compact and quick and simple to use with a good lens. The emphasis was fun. However, pretty well everything that their cameras were famous for, street, party and fashion etc... is now fully the domain of the smart phone. Olympus buyers may simply be nostalgic.
The sensor and lenses for Olympus MFT is still better than the phone. Olympus and Panasonic each have a handful of spectacular lenses.
Still loving Pentax.The only brand that's still fun and easy to use K3-iii Monochrome is amazing and a fraction of the price of Leica's
I love the concept of doing "annual" reviews of these brands. My wife and I were discussing this last night. We need an annual "Camera Combine" where various tests are staged and different reviewers to through and complete the tests that are agreed upon. This way tests are centralized and agreed upon. It's so difficult to find outright winners as everyone does their own tests. We both enjoy your tests the most though!
Hi Tony and Chelsea,
I have a video suggestion, becasue I have been have a hard time transitioning from my Nikon D90 to my Cannon R7.
Years ago I learned Spanish using the Pimsleur audio tapes.
In these cassettes the English speacker would ask how you would say something, then wait for you to respond, before a Spanish speaker would say the phrase.
It worked very well.
I would like to see someone do videos where you take an R7 for example, and set up for a landscape shot, then to a macro shot, then to a portrait shot , then to video, then to cinematic video format, etc.
In each case:
1. You tell the viewer what type of shot to set up.
2. Then you pause for the viewer set up all the camera settings for that shot as well as they can.
3. Then you show them all the settings you chose.
4. Finally, the viewer corrects anything they missed.
Then you go to the next type of shot.
I call these drilling videos.
We can watch them over and over again, until we are fluent in that camera's settings.
Due to the repeats, you would get increased numbers of views. (Do you have any idea how many times I watched your Drone certification video?)
I loved your excyplooedic inventory of the R7 menu but it was a bit overwhelming.
We could also use these vids to review our camera skill set once in a while.
These vids would be popular as long as the camera model is popular.
Please Let me know what you think.
Love your work!
Tom (Driftless Heights channel)
It's not only about the body but also the number and quality of lenses.
Recently made a big jump from D750 DSLR to A7IV due to pressure from work. Was nervous at first making the jump but after some tutorials and adaptation, phew... it was a pleasant relief as it's such an amazing upgrade. It felt like switching from a butter knife to a freshly-sharpen chef knife to cut vegetables. Taking lifestyle vertical portraits is sooo much easier and super fast due to the screen orientation and 0 effort focus. As socmed users' behavior evolves, business clients demand more videos and reels. Hence, this hybrid workhorse is just fantastic for freelancer to make great commercial photo and video content/ads. Though, I still like Nikon's colours straight out of raw files, A7IV to me feels abit greenish on skintone. I think Nikon is more suited for nature photography, documentary photos, and chill portrait sessions.
SILLY ..... WILL,,,,,,,,, Shouda Got a Z8
@@johnyoung1606 budget issues 😢
I’m tempted to buy a Fuji xt2 for a good price and adding some good glass. Is it still worth buying?
I have three XT2s. Never found a need to upgrade.
Loved your book "Stunning digital photography"! I use my Fuji GFX 100s for portraits and landscapes. Love the images for the price. I am looking forward to the canon R1 to see how it compares with the Sony A1. I have shot Canon and Nikon for years with the last Nikon being the D850 and the last canon being the R5. Favorite lens RF 28-70 F2. Favorite lenses for the Fuji GFX, 45-100 and the 110 F2. I feel clumsy with the Sony user interface and the cost of the CFX-A vs CFX-B was a lot. Good luck and wish you both a lot of luck. Shooting since 1979.
Nice discussion. For me it's Sony who I think are responding quickest to needs of photographers and photoenthusiasts. Although I can't decide between a6700 and xs20, please help!
I have the XS-20 and really enjoy it. Fuji has Sony beat on color and SOOC JPEG. The XS-20 autofocus is solid with the newer processor.
Apologies, but I think you both have a bit of a one-dimensional view of certain brands. Particularly OM-System and micro four thirds cameras. Note that I no longer own MFT cameras, but I do understand OM-Systems philosophy on design. I don't think they are just cutsey fashion accessories. OM-S philosophy appears to be small but highly rugged cameras aimed at adventuring in harsh conditions. The OM-1 is exceptionally rugged and exceptionally well-rounded, with super high burst rates and impressive video features. Having a small, rugged and high performing camera like that on a heavy hike would be amazing. I'm kind of tired of the full-frame and resolution points, we know what they are so, so played out now.
In general though, I thought this was a great video and fairly accurate assessment of the market.
I feel Panasonic are the real dark horses in this race (though I've owned 8 so I may be a tad bias 😅)
Thank you for a good informative video. I mostly shoot video and I love my Lumix G85. Would I like to upgrade to the S5 II, sure but for now I am finding great success with a camera that just keeps going.
Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant you guys are great. Everybody should watch you. I'm glad you're not super biased about any one brand.
I love my Nikon equipment!
I shoot Fuji and Nikon. I'm a hobbyist and I dont care about outstanding eye auto focus and generally Am not interested in either Sony or Canon. I'm just comfortable with Fuji and I love the well balanced feel of my Nikon z6 & 7.
Appreciate the video. I'm an beginner to intermediate photographer looking to get into the full frame world. I really like the ergonomics of the Nikon z6ii and z7ii, but I know they lack some of the features that the Sony alpha series has. Do you think Nikon will ever trickle the tech from their top tier cameras into their intermediate bodies? Or am I better off going with a company like Sony that has more 3rd party lens support, and seems to be innovating more when it comes to different tiers/lines of cameras?
I do agree if OM systems want to be sought after buy more photographers, and to keep the photographers that use her system. Currently they need to come up with an all new sensor with a minimum of 28 megapixels of resolution without losing the low light performance the camera has currently with the current sensor they’re using with the OM-1,
After all the pixel density is higher on the small sensors, I think an 8 megapixel improvement and resolution would be sufficient seeing that the sensor is quarter the size of a full frame sensor, you cannot beat the build quality of their cameras for going out, and all kinds of terrible weather in their cameras are built to last, unlike some cameras that are made to be disposable.
Thanks to both. You're absolutely fabulous
I wonder when custom made 3d printed bodies becomes a thing.
Tony and Chelsea, what dials and interfaces would you like to have on you camera body?
I am a Sony user but I would like to see them take on Fuji in the comsumer market. Maybe produce a fixed lens small bodied full frame or possible they could partner with a film company (Kodak?) and make film simulations for in camera jpeg processing.
I think that you cannot go wrong with any of the Big Three companies. You just have to decide what qualities are most important to you and make a decision accordingly. I love the ergonomics of Nikon cameras. I had first picked them up in Best Buy and I liked the EVF as well as the grip on Nikon the best. When I first bought into the system 2 years ago, the lens availability was a bit lacking. They have since fixed this. The menus are easy to navigate, and I like the Z mount and all the glass that goes with it, especially the S series glass. I own a Z50 (which I never use anymore) and a Z6 which meets all my needs. I don't really enter into any situations that are really taxing for the autofocus. If I needed more MP or found the autofocus was not cutting it, then I would probably upgrade to the Z8. I would be very curious to pick up the newer Canons, but I am all set with Nikon.
What happened to Pentax? Why didn't you mention? They are still out there, doing their thing.
I still use a Nikon D810 that i bought used 4 years ago (at the time it had close to 500k shutter acts).
After using it for this years I felt in love with this camera in so many ways that I think it´s ready to be used for more years to come.
The camera is super beaten up and has 780k shutter acts now (still with original shutter), this only shows the reliably and durability. The imagine quality is crazy in my opinion, paired with my 85mm 1.4 nikkor its just beautiful.
This camera has been released for almost 10 years and still "kills" a big majority of cameras nowadays at least in image quality.
Autofocus is amazin but live view it´s a bit weak for todays standards, video quality with AF it´s very very bad tho.
I dropped Canon in the spring when I noticed my EF lenses Image Stabilization never ever turned off on any Canon RF camera with IBIS such as my R6. I tested it out and saw that on my R6 it was on all the time (I tested 7 EF IS lenses). On my wifes RP the EF IS worked no differently then it did on my DSLR's. A Canon RF lens mount camera with IBIS NEVER TURNS YOUR IMAGE STABILZATION OFF!!! And sadly no UA-camr DARES talk about this.
But truthfully I dropped Canon because I realized this "flaw" was something they were aware of and the are PURPOSELY trying to wear out your EF lenses Image Stabilization system.
Tony SHOULD look into this but he wont.
I have been happy with my Sony A7 IV and use a Sigma MC-11 adapter and my Canon IS lenses work no differently then they did on my Canon DSLR cameras. The IS turns off after awhile.
That has not been my experience at all.
My first 35 mm camera was a used Nikkormat EL back around '79, next was new FE2 in '80s and used for decades, still have it. Then D40, D7000, D7500 and then D500 and still use daily. I have never had one iota of a problem with any of them. In '05 or '06 I wanted a pocket sized camera and bought a Canon A620, followed by an S90 then S95, then a G7X which I still used. No issues with any of these either. Likely soon I will buy a Z8 to be in mirrorless. Nikon bodies are built well ,feel sturdy and fit like a glove. Think sticking with them as they are a smaller company that strives really hard to be excellent, and I think no doubt the Z mount and the lenses are terrific. If I ever switched, Canon would be second.
Yes, I agree that Nikon is dedicated to steady excellence.
You will absolutely love the Z8. Head and shoulders above the Z7ll I had been using.
@@randygerber1565 SHHHHHH!!!! I need to not hear this!!!🤣
I enjoy listening to y’all talking, I like cameras to MUCH!,,,,!,,,
You know a little jewel that fits in the pocket all arounder that fascinates me is the Ricoh GR3. Can you try it out, review it Tony & Chelsea??? It really is a little gem. Thanks for what you do.
Canon not only blocks 3rd party lenses, but they won't make any mid-range primes e.g., 50 1.4 etc. Why?
Question regarding Canon R bodies: is it true that, when using Canon RF lenses on the R bodies, the stabilization & AF perform better than with 3rd party lenses? Does that also hold true with Nikon Z & Sony mirrorless bodies regarding the use of their 3rd party options?
Fuji, Nikon, Canon and Sony are all brands that I have been at one point or another deeply invested in. Currently, I like Nikon best, but for the majority of use cases, Canon is the clear winner. Sony has the best autofocus technology overall, but they are poor in their menus and design. This is obviously subjective, but it has been my experience. Fuji is the brand that I have totally sold off primarily because it is just APS, not full frame. My primary system is the Nikon Z system with lots of lenses. I also have a core Canon RF system that comes out occasionally centered on an R and r6. Canon’s proprietary mount and focus on just high end and low end glass is a problem. I am not getting rid of the system yet, but it may be on the launch pad. I have the core of everything I need in both Canon and Nikon, so no sense of urgency.
I was a Pentax guy for many years. Not too expensive, and the supply of 2nd hand lenses is fantastic. Autofocus let me down a few times, so I knew I needed to change up. I ended up buying a Nikon, only because I preferred the ergonomic design. And as a glasses wearer, I couldn't see the whole display with the Canon. Been a Nikon user ever since. Mainly because I've got a lot of Nikon glass, which would cost me a fortune to replace. Currently flying a D850 and loving it. Got absolutely no desire to go mirrorless.
Your book (Stunning Digital Photography) is really great and has really helped me. I am about 1/3 the way through it. Anyone with even very little photography knowledge can pick it up