Is the CAA Drone Code DANGEROUS? Flight Restriction Wording
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Hey Everyone! Over the past few months, many Geeksvana viewers who have watched our drone rules series videos have reached out for clarity surrounding the use of their manufacturer drone app, so mainly DJI, as a reliable source of information for flight restrictions. Whilst researching a recent story, regarding a drone pilot who claimed to have only checked their drone app for flight restrictions, something the AAIB pointed out was not appropriate, I realised that the wording of the UK CAA Drone Code when discussing the vital area of flight restrictions was potentially dangerous.
Let me know in the comments,
UK CAA Drone Code:
register-drones.caa.co.uk/dro...
View the NATs air traffic control map here:
www.nats.aero/airspace/drones
View the latest NOTAM information:
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UPDATE: More details to come in a future update but the CAA have responded to say they are reviewing the wording. Stay tuned for more!
We have airshows flying over roads , we have 300ton jetliners landing and taking off over the M11 and we have paranoia over a 249g Drone . Total madness
We do have the best allowances for sub 250g drones than we have ever had. Although I do fear this might change beyond 2026. Hopefully, the generally safe hobby use of drones will stop anything too harsh though.
@@Geeksvana we are very safe at 249g i think its the Auditors who are causing us problems .
those pilots have years of experience of flying where some of these drone pilots don't have any at all, nothing stops people from flying drones and this is the problem
@@stevenfoleyuk9404 Yeah the "Auditors" are complete idiots.
I am an aeroplane pilot... it's difficult to see a 4man plane at 1 mile away.. how easy do you think it is to spot a drone or a bird at 400 feet?
I'll give you a clue.. you can't swerve around either and by the time you've seen a drone/bird in your flight path, there's a 98% chance that it's too late to do anything about it.
The damage to aircraft is beyond your annual salary for the general working class.. so why shouldn't I sue you for the costs? (Your fault, your cost not insurance)
Even "official" sources of fly/no-fly zones can lead to a false-sense of security. UK doesn't have 100% cell-phone coverage, therefore there could be locations where fly/no-fly status would have to be researched prior to traveling there -and during the travel the status changes.
For quite a number of years now, I've become disheartened by the increasingly vast over-complication of what should be a simple, easy to use and understand enjoyable hobby.
When I first got a drone, I was flying it at every opportunity I got - now, before flying it, I literally have to blow dust away from the case!😪
Seems to me that we were warned that the immense legislation was being brought in to remove hobby-flyers such as me from the airspace to make that space available for commercial drones. We are now in the situation where hobby-flyers (like me) are too scared to fly, and commercial drones companies are discovering their business model was always flawed in the first-place!
My only wish is to have the hobby-flying airspace returned to use for hobbyists - but that is now clearly very unlikely to happen.
My essay related to this hypothesized that, had he been in this situation today, we wouldn't have Sir Frank Whittle experimenting and developing what was to become the jet engine as he as a boy wouldn't have been allowed to fly model planes! We have no idea what the young hobby-pilots of today will go on to invent for the world in the future - but we do know that we have severely hobbled their opportunities
It is always difficult when a regulator has to create rules to cover every type of user. I would like to see a simple system where the more experience you have and the more risk you are willing to accept yourself, then the more simple the rules. Good to see you, hope you are well.
The way I see it there are 3 groups of flyers. 1) Commercial, 2) Hobbyists and 3) Numpties.
CAA are legislating for 1) and scaring off 2) both of whom know the rules and respect them.
3) don’t know, don’t care, and will keep flying regardless. They unfortunately are the majority of dangerous flyers.
@@dankell - yes, I absolutely agree
Surely all responsible drone pilots should know where you can and can't fly I always do my research and everyone that flies a drone should
Absolutely, but reaching occasional users is always an issue. Also, when the advice can lead you in the wrong direction, that needs to change.
I asked this very same question in a drone Facebook page. I was recently at Hampton court in London. And see a man with a drone inside the grounds of Hampton Court, obviously interested I went over to him and we spoke about drones etc for a couple of minutes and in that time I asked him how he went about getting permission to TOAL inside Hampton Court. His answer was “ The DJI Fly app” showed he could fly there. I also have a work colleague who only uses the DJI Fly app hasn’t event heard of drone assist or drone scene, and happily flys near an RAF base because again the DJI Fly app allows him to take off. I don’t know what the answer is tbh. I’ve said to my work colleague on a few occasions be careful but he thinks because the DJI Fly app allows him to take off he’s doing nothing wrong. For the record, he is in an FRZ when flying, in fact he’ll be under 2 as two RAF bases are both within close proximity of each other.
Yeah, see i wouldnt want the DJI fly app to have a hard lock, or for it to get any more aggressive than it is.
I live on the edge of, and fly in, the RAF low level training area in the North of Scotland, which, is freaking HUGE. it covers most of the Highlands. All that pretty scenery...
The DJI app let's me fly there. It knows I'm in a restricted area and asks me to check a box saying I assume full responsibility etc etc. But, I've also done my C2ofC (I have both a phantom 3 pro and a mini 3 pro), know about NOTAMS, and use drone Assist and NATS, and the fact there's a phone number I can phone to find out if they are using that exercise area the day I'm going to be in the area and potentially flying if I spot something pretty.
I'd hate for DJI to get harder and GEO lock the restricted areas, because 19 times out of 20, the RAF aren't using that zone and its perfectly safe for me to fly. All those missed flying opportunities...
I think something like the C2ofC course should be mandatory for all UAV pilots, then everyone is aware of NATS, drone assist etc.
Point to note, I've only being flying quads for the last few years, and only known about the restricted areas for that length of time.
Been flying fixed wing for decades, in the same area, blissfully unaware the low level training area covers most of North Scotland lol. But generally was only flying at about 100ft or less.
Interesting, the official NATS map doesn't show either airfield around Little Gransden in Bedfordshire, but Drone Assist does. DJI app doesn't show Old Warden/Shuttleworth airfield at all, but again Drone Assist does. I'm more inclined to use Drone Assist as a "catch all" system considering how easy it is to use out in the field. Maybe NATS system should have an Android / iOS app to help aid flyers do the correct thing.
Hey Dave! Drone Assist was actually built on behalf of NATs. Sadly, funding led to many years of no updates and the app fell behind. Now Altitude Angel have control of it, they are seeking to update it regularly.
The inconsistency is frustrating for sure!
The NATS map doesn't show Little Gransden because there is no FRZ in place, and therefore, no official restrictions.
I’ve always thought the CAA got things mixed up. The little online exam should be taken to get the operator ID, so at least everyone applying for this would at least have shown some knowledge of the drone code. A missed opportunity by the CAA. I check drone assist, but don’t singly rely on this for info. I have flown twice within FRZ’s, with permission from ATC and find I now need these permissions to be uploaded to the DJI Flysafe website, before the unlock of these areas were forthcoming from DJI ( only takes about half hour to come through and can be done days/ weeks in advance of a planned flight ) Safe flying Sean 👍👍
Thanks John! I have a similar approach with getting multiple points of reference.
I would agree. I actually got a flyer ID before I bought a drone and now I am happy to say I have an operator ID aswell, it just seemed sensible to me to have the confidence and knowledge to become a responsible drone flyer especially because I was new to it all
I guess it's one of the scenarios where the regulator is hamstrung by the legislation. Op ID is mandatory under the UAS IR, but minimum training isn't.
Not to say it's not a good idea and one that should be implemented...providing the CAA can actually get the training material correct. This isn't the first potentially dangerous error in the drone code. One was corrected back in July but the update was "snuck out".
Ive been watching your material with interest for some time because Im thinking of getting a drone, largely for landscape views. A few days ago I was in a National Trust area in Cornwall and asked about their attitude to drones. I received a firm answer that they dont permit it because of wildlife disturbance. Fair enough - I dont want to disturb wildlife or people - I like a peaceful atmosphere too and I like to enjoy nature. I have enough times found speedboats and water skiers annoying because of destruction of the quiet and peace. Im an introverted person who enjoys the peace. So when I got home I took to the google to see just where a drone can be flown without disturbing wildlife or the peace. The Internet is awash with “you cant fly it here, you cant fly it there ….”. Nowhere does it say “you can fly it here”. Im guessing that landowners (not a concept I much approve of but we are where we are) are rarely sympathetic. I also dabble in archaeology and am aware that there can be sensitive relationships between landowners archaeologists. So where CAN one fly a drone without annoying people or disturbing wildlife - I have no interest in doing either. For me the interest is in creating something beautiful with technology that one cannot do without it. Actually flying the drone isnt the objective, its just something I have to learn to do to capture particular film sequences - its about the sequences themselves. I intend to train properly and become professional at it - that its a challenge is good. Im pretty good with tech but thats the means to the end. So the question is “Where CAN I fly that is worthwhile doing”. Do I have to visit countries outside the UK to do so ? And PLEASE - if this is worth doing can you guys and gals push some positivity - all I can find out there is “NOT HERE”.
Even when you follow the NFZ restrictions on 'official' 3rd party apps there is no guarantee they are correct or up to date!
I have one near me which is no longer an airfield, it has houses built on it but still marked as an airfield and a NFZ.
The DJI fly app says it is ok to fly and so does my common sense, I think I'll stick to my trusty common sense, it has served me well for 50+ years, 40 odd of them flying somekind of model aircraft, not killed anyone yet or even brought a jumbo jet down ! 😁👍
Some locations are sneaky in listing themselves as NFZ. Here in Liverpool, both Liverpool and Everton Football Clubs permanently list themselves as NFZ - even when the stadiums are vacant for about 260+days of the year!
For me, behaviour such as that is an abuse of the safety systems in favour of trying to enforce a false sense of privacy
Even Liverpool's many hospitals, some with dedicated helipads, don't have permanent NFZ
@@RiverMersey There is a helipad at a nearby location that has no NFZ showing on any apps, I only know it's there because I've seen helicopters landing and taking off there, it's quite hidden away amongst trees in a fairly rural area, the only clue at ground level are some 'no drone zone' signs randomly dotted around a public path that passes nearby.
Again I used my common sense, eyes and ears and give the whole area a very wide berth⚠️😲
Just confirms my point that people shouldn't rely 100% on apps, sure consult them but also do your own research and Google map checks etc
First thing I do when I check a site is leave my drone at home and walk my dog around the whole area and make a note of any hazards, do a basic risk assessment etc and weigh up any kind of manned air traffic, especially smaller aircraft which tend to fly really low sometimes, I've certainly seen them fly lower then 500ft⚠️😲😳
I check out things like if my drone crashes what's the worst that could happen? Then do everything I can to mitigate that from happening.
I use SkyDemon (incl NOTAMs), Drone Assist and/or Drone Scene.
Hey Nigel! Thank you. I have been playing with DroneScene more recently. Has some decent features.
USA, I use Air Control, clip a pict if says "Let's Fly" screen or request LAANC expand my box and typically screen shot the area on map.
then triple check weather in Air Control, screen shot
check over drone during the one minute requested validation/activation time from LAANC to come in effect
something like that
Thank you Brett! Seems like you have it locked down. Have to admit I take screenshots as well. Always a good backup.
I use drone assist.. I used it in Blackpool when near the tower to see if there was a restriction to the local airport, and then filed a “flight plan” for whilst I was there
Hey Stuart! That is great. The app can really be a strong tool when at its best. Thanks for sharing, really is interesting to hear how everyone works.
Thanks Sean, for the information and video.
I'm just glad that you've turned the lights on for this video, Sean 😁
The brighter lighting is soooooo much better, isn't it? Actually came about accidentally 🤣 but we stuck with it!
@@Geeksvana Yes, it's a lot better. I guess you found a spare 50p down the back of the sofa 😉 Keep up the good work, sir.
I must add I never go near airfields or flight paths etc if I see aircraft or helicopters I always land asap. I keep away from people as much as I can because a lot of people appear to be a bit anti drones. My drone is a DJI mini se I have registered and done the test to be as aware as I can of what I should or shouldn’t do. Also try to be aware of any flight restrictions
Excellent! Sounds like you have it down and safe! I would perhaps suggest downloading something like Drone Assist as an extra backup. It is more accurate than the DJI app and also gives temporary restrictions etc.
Nowhere do I see "SHOOT AT THE DRONE WITH SHOTGUN" mentioned as a sanctioned consequence of the breach of this civil code. Seems excessive, if you ask me.
yeah that is a bit of a ridiculous response.
100%. As per our main video on the topic, there is legislation in place to deal with a nefarious drone flight. Nobody should ever bring firearms into this type of scenario.
As an extension of this I do think that all local drone restrictions must, by law, be registered on a central service. And companies like DJI should be required to make this information easily available.
It is honestly impossible to find some drone restrictions. The need to have to download secondary apps to find most restrictions (but not all!) and then having to do additional research is honestly exhausting.
We also need a process that places like Europe have which makes it easy to apply for permission in some restricted areas.
Completely agree Alan. Others I speak to on this call it having a 'one true and accurate' resource. I suppose it comes down partly to funding but with the use of small drones growing so quickly, we need to find a way. Excellent comment, thank you.
@@Geeksvana Thank you! I think this would also help drone pilots in interactions with the public / law enforcement. They should be able to clearly point to a single official source showing they have permission to fly in the area.
As it stands it often take a lot of complicated explanation and (sometimes) explaining that the big red circle isn't actually a flight prohibition.
Having an AlphaTango-like system would also allow drone users to log flight plans more easily - which would allow law enforcement to identify these in advance.
Yeah, but DJI being a drone manufacturer with global distribution, you can't expect their own software to have every restricted zone in the world, which is essentially what's being said.
Wouldn't it be more reasonable to have a pop up box asking something like "have you checked official sources to make sure your flight is safe" etc...
Geofencing needs major improvements as well as these damn flight restrictions. Drones should be able to fly at least 10 meters above the ground in some "resrtricted" zones so long as they are outside 1/2 mile from and airport. I was flying 3 meters above a lake in "airport zone" which was a mile from the runway but was blocked from flying accross at the same altitiude to the other side of the lake as I was entering a bloody geozone. If there is an aircraft flying near me that low then we are all in danger. There needs to be just less less less restrictions and let the pieces fall where they will... there have been no loss of life from any drone or rc incidents that have been recorded since the industry began.
Fully agree about a low altitude limit. Anything below 30 metres outside of an airfields perimeter is already in trouble.
Before I fly I look on drone Assist and if I am good to fly I all ways take a look at my Surrounding Area before i take off I have a Operators Id and a Flyer id
Thank you! That's a great approach. Really interesting to hear how people's approach to airspace differs.
I use all the usual sources such as Drone Assist, Flysafe, NATS. I also downloaded the GIS data from NATS and recreated the FRZ's (and all other airspace data) in ArcPro. The benefit is that you can zoom and a see a lot more detail in particular when you are planning flights close to or within the FRZ. Emphasis on planning flights in a FRZ, not actually flying them until approval received.
I check drone assist im close to Raf shawbury airspace so tend to fly outside there training times or contact atc to let them know im flying I very rarely go to high as there is also an air ambulance around too.I fly a mini 3 pro but have an I d too I always carry my caa registered card and fpv card with me.Thanks Sean for the great content you keep doing
I personally believe anyone flying a drone, including sub 249g, should be required to complete the CAA DMARES online test and have a Flyer ID. It is free and the simplest way to make sure everyone knows the rules. I think it is more important than having the operator ID. What’s the point of saying it is important that sub 249g should be registered (and pay for the privilege!) but not require that the person flying the drone knows even the basic rules.
Whispers in the Drone Code
In the realm where drones take to the sky,
Geeksvana's voice, questioning why,
The CAA's Drone Code, its words in the air,
Is it a danger that we all should beware?
With cameras aloft, and propellers that spin,
A world of technology we now live in,
But rules and restrictions, they too take flight,
In the ever-changing dance of day and night.
"Is the CAA Drone Code dangerous?" they ask,
A question that lingers, a thought to unmask,
For in the skies, where freedom may soar,
Regulations and limits, what are they for?
Geeksvana explores the words and the rhyme,
The language that governs drone flight in its prime,
A code that's meant to keep us all safe,
But does it stifle the skies, like a stifling waif?
In the video's frame, they seek to find,
The balance of freedom, not leaving behind,
The need for caution and skies that are clear,
So drone pilots can navigate without fear.
"Is the CAA Drone Code dangerous?" they ponder,
As they guide us through rules we must not squander,
In the world of technology's ceaseless advance,
The conversation of safety, it's our chance.
To understand, to question, to ponder and see,
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I think the issue here is the discharge of a weapon at a public event is a criminal offence!
Hi. The drone assist App has been muted as the go to App. Unfortunately, unless I misunderstand, it shows far more data than actually needed for drone activity? All the different zones of which many refer to manned aircraft cause confusion when interpreting it. It would be great if only drone relevant data was available or at least a filter for this data? Thanks.
I think at the end of the day its down to just flying safely. Drone flights are possible and can be done so safely regardless of size. So long as procedures and followed. It should be made an example that if a responsible drone pilot can fly safely whether sub250 or not then the code is not fit for purpose and should be adjusted to meet technology and the safety features built into some of the newer drones like 360 avoidance and aircraft warning information.
Before I fly I consult drone assist and as I have local NOTAM’s emailed to me I also check this for local restrictions. It is my opinion that ALL drone pilots should be required to hold a flyer ID as this at least means the pilot has some level of knowledge.
It seems sensible to me as well. I don't like more paperwork etc but surely if we expect the drone pilot to follow the rules, a Flyer ID would make sense...
Honestly I think the Operator and Flyer ID should be one and the same thing. Having the two separate just adds confusion. And yes ALL drone pilots should have to pass that test.
I like the though but don't think it will help. I have a Flyer ID...considering that even I got 40/40 on the test, it cannot be that difficult. However, I don't think having the basic knowledge of the drone code will stop the "less than concerned" drone user from just taking off wherever they feel like it.
@davebooth9871 I agree. However it will help those who come looking for the advice. How we reach the occasional user who has no idea of the rules is a significant issue.
As the matter is still classed as an ongoing live criminal investigation by the police in Barrow, Cumbria (due to the fact a shotgun was used) it would be inappropriate to make comment.
However, in general I and I am sure many here will use drone assist alt angel, the official app.
Before the flight I take photos of where I am, where I am about to fly. I make a brief risk assessment on paper and also photograph it. After the flight I again take one more photograph of the area, it is a means of backup, mitigation and if the case was to be highlighted then I have a means of corroboration.
Use maturity, common sense and by generally following the rules then dangers and risks are minimised.
Another person who takes pictures of their flight location! Seems a sensible thing to do to me!
Hi Suan. Up until RID started before September 16th, the places I frequently fly my DJI Air 3 never had any restrictions except for the regular FAA guidelines, i.e. 400ft, VLOS, etc. Since September 16th, my controller is giving me an altitude caution of 164ft for flight lanes both times I've flown even though it never did before. I checked my B4 U fly app and it said cleared for takeoff in both places.
One thing there, if I want to fly in a FRZ, I used to apply to the ATC for permission. Once received, I would apply for an unlock code, via the DJI Flysafe website, to custom unlock a particular area within the FRZ. When doing a custom unlock within a FRZ the Flysafe website requires you to upload a copy of the ATC permission. However, I have since found out that instead of applying for a custom unlock, if I apply to unlock a complete zone, no proof of permission to fly is required by the Flysafe website, and the zone can be unlocked within a few minutes. I still apply for permission from the ATC, before applying for a zone unlock. Strange situation indeed.
I use the Drone safety map by Altitude Angles and also dronescene from the Gray Arrows Drone Club UK. These are the best that I come across. They also show SSSI, Prisons restriction zones, temporary FRZ restriction zones, Low-risk areas in yellow, zones like gliders, and paragliders, and Privacy concern zones like parks. Rail lines, dangerous zones like military areas.
DJI flySafe map has most of the airfield, but it is not shown in the same way as Nats.
I have noticed that Nats only shows active high-risk areas and there are a lot of Aerodrome that are not shown.
NATS Are only showing official No Fly Zones and FRZs. The yellow zones in Drone Assist are not official restrictions.
@@ClanLawrence That is correct, the yellow zones are not FRZ. But they show areas where you may come across air vehicles, for example, hang gliders, paragliders, and small aircraft.
@@photonatureengland8895 I know, that's just what I said.
Always check Drone Assist if m flying in a new location that in not familiar with..
I live in Barrow-in-Furness and fly DJI drones. I have operated commercially within the Walney FRZ, getting permission from ATC to do so. I'm not sure the FRZ is correctly marked within the DJI Fly App. I think it is on Drone Assist. Have a look yourself. Therefore, it may be the pilot was not informed by DJI Fly that he was within the FRZ but I'm pretty sure he will have been warned he was very close to it.
A complicating factor is that the airfield is owned and operated by BAE and is part time, with the ATC closed in the evenings and weekends.
I use
1. Common sense
2. Airmap
3. DJIs updated map checks.
4. Gut feeling...
Even if I'm in an area where I'm told its safe to fly and there are no zones or alerts, if I have a feeling I'm not safe then I'll not fly it.
At the same time I have flown in yellow caution zones and again, common sense is the biggest part of being a drone pilot.
I fly both mini and air 3, the heavier drone goes up and far away before it starts any filming. Keeps people from kicking off.
None of your sources provide accurate airspace information for the UK. Why would you not just use Drone Assist?
@@ClanLawrence I have drone assist too. But the point is you can't trust single sources you have to use common sense and guidelines from the training I've been given through A2Cofc.
@@srjwari You never mentioned Drone Assist in your initial comment, and the point I was making is that none of the 4 things you listed will tell you where the restrictions are.
There's been a lot of education thrown at responsible drone pilots, and those that want to be responsible have taken it all and more, but it's a two-way street! The public need to understand that not all drone flying should be demonised! ...or DJI's next drone may as well be called the XL-K9 pro!
100% agree. We need to gain understanding of real drone use.
What happened to the person who did the shooting? Did they not face criminal charges for endangering an aircraft?
Awaiting police report on any action taken, the report was based on the AAIB report only.
Although it won't be endangering an aircraft. Small unmanned aircraft are not protected under Article 240.
In Australia the app OpenSky has been endorsed by CASA for use with drone operators to determine if you are allowed to fly in that area
Drone assist always
Thank you 😎
Use Drone Assist on every occasion
Drone assist, Altitude angel and Dronecast for weather. Airspace can be clear while the wind gust speeds exceeds my Mini 3's capabilties. Fly safe
most people i see buying drones these days either dont have any knowledge about flying or dont care about the rules of flying
The wider use of drones is a really issue. How we reach the casual users who see their drone as nothing more than a mobile phone is a challenge we need to meet.
should be the responsibility of the drone manufacturers to supply all of the important information...i am on drone groups on facebook and i see people buying drones and asking if they need a license!@@Geeksvana
I check DJI app
Thanks, Wayne! Did you know the DJI app is not accurate in providing airspace information? It is only their own system which is not verified and often incorrect. In fact, the drone pilot from this story did the same thing and flew in an FRZ.
For flight restrictions I use Drone Assist.
With this episode in mind it could be demonstrated that geofencing is not robust or reliable and therefore of no benefit to protect all airspace users - what is the point of it? There needs to be one simple app that details all the FRZs etc in UK and this should be published and maintained by the CAA or similar designation authority. Surely that is what the annual fee should be financing in order to promote flight safety? It might be better if drone regulation was be taken out of the hands of CAA as it seems that there is just one mess and perceived crisis after another as rules and regs change and then need to be refined and redefined. Frankly, I'm an exasperated....
drone assist
Thanks 😎
Dronedesk and droneassist
I’m more concerned about a member of the public discharging a fire arm skywards in an FRZ……. That action could have bought more than the drone down…….
I'd like to know what happened to the bloke who shot down the aircraft
Drone Assist every flight
Thank you! 😎
Nothing more than a camera marks the difference between a non toy sub 250g need for an operator ID and zero regulation beyond common sense. You must be over 18 for an operatot ID but only 13 for a flyer ID (on your own???) but you can be registered for and take a test at a lower age . I think that means the test must supervised by a suable parent with an operator ID but not necessarily a flyer ID.
I bounced off Decision Height a few times in my working life but only twice on minimum fuel in civil aircraft. While not an emergency it became necessary on both occasions to inform ATC of the initial decisions I was making for them to keep the status quo and get them in the right mood. The subsequent service we got could not be faulted for both events. The first necessity of flying, even if you just stand on the ground, is to want to do it and learn how. It is inconvenient but makes as much sense as knowing which side of the road to drive on to remember the rules that coordinate you with other flyers. However, having a greater interest in the ever changing utter faeces that grand stands as drone regulation than in manual flying of the machines only fits descriptions I cannot use here. Captain Drone is an excellent antidote and even demonstrates common sense considerstion of the rest of the public when the opportinity arises, while Xjet Bruce would be horrified if he was thought of as academic. Of course Canada and New Zealand have more space. This channel needs some drone flying to stop it going where the sun don't shine : otherwise known as Concorde House.
One thing that absolutely BOILS my p*ss.. the word GUIDANCE is just that, it's not gospel, it's not law, it's also not enforceable, HOWEVER...as ANY sort of responsible individual, certainly a drone operator, even under 250g S*H*O*U*L*D do due diligence and.. for the love of ALL the gods.. check local restrictions and bylaws before you fly.. feined ignorance is absolutely NOT an excuse.
People that 'think' they're not affected or exempt are the very people that are making it so so much harder and difficult for the legitimate and invested of us of the hobby.
Because a single app DOESN'T say that there are any restrictions does under no circumstances mean that that app is the be-all-and-end-all of information, check local signage, use official apps etc at the VERY least, check with the landowner of which you want to fly over.
I really really don't understand how this is so difficult.
That said, there should be better transparency and ways of sharing/planning and broadcasting flight plans but, as much as it rattles my balls... COMMON...F*CKING....SENSE..., should always be the FIRST step of any plan.
I use drone assist and uav forecast
I have a simple solution for all this...Why doesn't the CAA just create an official and approved application or officially partner up with Drone Assist? This would completely solve the issue and allow them instance access to change FRZ etc. Then again the CAA do not want to make it easier, they want to make it harder.
Sound and vision are drastically out of synch btw.
Thank you! Although when we play it on multiple devices and operating systems it works perfectly... We have had this issue before where the sync for some viewers is out for the first few hours. Not helpful! Will open another ticket with UA-cam to sort it.
Thanks again.
Fixed wing aircraft operators have been sacrificed in favour of all this beaurocratic crap. Oh for the days when you could take your model aircraft to the nearest park and fly all day without interference from these ' stop everything which gives the public any enjoyment or pleasure ie CAA, FAA etc, etc ---------------------------------------------
The RC community have suffered with the modern rise of the 'drone' for sure. The CAA have suggested in their latest documents that they want to see a separation in the future. That would be welcome if it supports fixed wing and heli flyers.
Drone code.. wonderful! TOTALLY means that your competent at flying.
You pass your driving test.. does that mean that you drive 100% in the same way/style/behaviour as the day you passed your test??
Drone Assist
Thank you 😎
We got bit by the DJI app a few weeks back. According to Drone Assist my parents house is close to an FRZ and DJI app agrees with that.
However there is a recreation field at the far side of the village which is well outside the FRZ. When we tried to fly there DJI wouldn’t let us fly as it was restricted. Their map was significantly different to the official FRZ.
The fact that manufacturers apps stop you from flying I think they should be forced to be up to date.
Drone assist
Thank you.
Simple answer is if you're not 100% sure don't fly
CAA are 100% at fault here, as it is their job to mange us all, CAA should have a app that we can all use that shows what we need to, at the very least the user can sink data before leaving home and show a time stamp of last updated, as said before the user can use this same app for each flight with the user drawing a shape to where they plan to fly and for the app to call out for any problem, this would allow no need for vlos legally
i go to the local parks, go with the family on nice days, setup a little picknick, fly FPV with two 160 grams drones most of the times less then a meter off the group up to about 1km from me, i also take the mini 2, keep within 2km from myself and keep below 120m from the ground, i have very bad eyes and if i was keeping to the rules fully i would not be able to fly my mini 2 more then 20m from myself as you also need to know the ordination just by looking at the drone that is BS, i also find it BS that i can buy a kids toy drone that can drop water balloons from the sky, yet if i do the same with my mini 2 it is illegal, if i want to fly somewhere new i will check if i am allowed, but do find this less important if i am flying FPV as i am at tree level and feel the tree would be a bigger problem than a 160 grams FPV drone zipping about
forgot to say, CAA just want money and have no idea what the hobby is really doing, all they need to do is check what people like to fly and do a simple risk assessment and make rules that are to manage real risk, would be nice if they also told news papers saying bad things about drone when it was proven to be a plastic bag
@@andrewmaudsley7692 There are already rules, rules that people are blatantly ignoring on a daily basis. The CAA can't just sit back and wait for the inevitable to happen. You really think the money the CAA make from Operator IDs is more than what they're spending on Drone legislation?
thank you for pointing out that they have spent money on rules that people do not follow, maybe they should spend some money on the why and also see how people are flying and do some real world risk assessments, please explain the logic on this, i can take a sub250 helicopter with a twelve inch propeller to the park do not have to pay any drone tax, i can fly over people, i am fully legal, yet if i take a 50 gram FPV drone i have to pay drone tax, have to be on a list of people who will be knocked on if anything happens @@ClanLawrence
@@ClanLawrence For the sub 250 drones what do you consider 'the inevitable'?
I'm asking because I can't determine anything that could be of a magnitude that would concern the CAA significantly.
@barrieshepherd7694 You think a solid piece of lithium hitting an aircraft at over 100mph would be a non-event?
Pilots should have an Operator and Flyer ID as a minimum requirement. The BMFA from December will require their own Flyer ID test under Artical 16 is undertaken and passed. Also, I would like to see all drone flights logged via Drone Assist.
Some sensible points Adrian. I think with the wider use of consumer hobby drones, we need some basics in place to prevent basic errors bringing new rules.
this whole regulation thing has spun so far out of control and not only have the governments completely wiped out a harmless hobby that had been around for a half a century but all of you help them do it. the whole essence of RC model aircraft was that it has always been a wholesome recreational hobby that was as thought provoking as it was educational and meant for people to go out to a local vacant lot on weekends and just have good clean productive fun and in less than 2 years they have turned a long standing completely innocent hobby into a jailable offence and even worse they are denying future generations from being able to experience the joy and wonderment of the same RC model aircraft hobby most of us got to enjoy our whole lives, hell they've made it illegal for someone to go out and fly in their own yards and all of you are letting them get away with it, that is really sad........
The attention of the public, and the non aviation authorities, occurred when they realised cameras were attached to the 'pesky things'. RC flying ceased to be a niche hobby and became a end to a means as evidenced by the Auditors - who seem to deliberately use the drone in a 'weaponised' manner to agitate and annoy police and building occupiers.
Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag and a return to RC hobby status is now not possible.
So it's not ok for a drone to fly in a restricted area, I get it but it's ok to shoot a gun off into a flight restrictive area!