Could I suggest a test? Would be really interesting to compare latency of native Walksnail goggles vs. Walksnail goggles HDMI out piped into HDZero goggles. The difference would presumably be the HDMI encoding component.
I was just listening to this while working on something, and the difference in your voice around the 7:30-8 minute mark threw my brain for a loop! Nothing negative to say whatsoever, it was all done really well. I don't know if I would have noticed, if I were watching and listening. Very interesting.
Awesome comparison. That explains why so many reviewers felt a massive improvement in latency when switching to high framerate mode on the VRX with HDZero goggles. I'm really pleased with this result because it shows my Sky04x is sufficient for the AvatarVRX and there isn't much to be gained from upgrading to HDZero goggles. ❤️
Nice video! Was looking forward to someone doing these comparisons, and thanks for checking with Carl to explain the difference in 60fps, as it not being optimized yet. I don’t expect I’d use that over the 100 option so I’m glad they put effort to 100fps firsts. Also sounds like you got a cold at the end of the video.
I love my HDZero goggles (without Walksnail VRX). I also love you holding claims and assumptions up to empirical testing. I'm looking forward to your website.
I think Joshua has an expensive spare battery testing setup. Which he sometimes is unhappy about, because he didn‘t use it enough. :) Also thanks for testing and contacting Carl about this. 🙏
Almost 80ms for AvatarVRX+HDZero, mother of god that’s crazy! And that’s best case scenario before signal issues create more latency? This is probably why I killed my WalkSnail test quad on the second flight… lol! Thanks for your quality videos Chris! p.s. People are loving that end of video sound engineering … haha!
Something has to be wrong about that... Either the numbers do not represent ms or something's wrong about his own VRX. I tested myself the latency with my Walksnail VRX and my Eachine EV200D (very budget goggles, so I don't think they'd have less hdmi latency than hdzero), and I'm getting about 50ms of latency, consistently. Throughout different tests, I've seen as low as 46ms and as high as 53
@@ikerpere9225 yea, I don’t know. I’m inclined to believe Chris as he’s established his credibility, but agreed it seems crazy. Will be interesting to see an update once HDZero finalizes the HDMI input firmware tweaks. How are you measuring latency? Is it based on the OSD readout? Because I believe that’s just measuring from VTX to VRX, Chris is measuring Camera Lens to Goggle lens here.
@@GiantAntCowboy Yeah, I know. I also believe Chris, I'm not blaming him, I just think something might be wrong, possibly not his methodology. I've tested with 240fps recording on a gopro and with 480fps recording on my phone, counting frames from a led turning on in front of the camera vs in the goggles. It's usually around 20ms more than what the OSD says, in my case. I guess that would depend on the HDMI latency on each goggles
@@ikerpere9225 ok, hmm very interesting... well I’m hoping to have my new WalkSnail setup tomorrow. Not sure if you watch my videos, but I killed my 1s WS setup on the 2nd flight and well long story short… the proper Micro Version should arrive tomorrow, excited to continue testing with the HDzero Goggles and to do some comparisons against my HDZ setups. This dramatic range of latency should be fairly obvious when comparing systems back to back. So we’ll see!
This was that one comment i was looking for everywhere. Thank you @@ikerpere9225 I have ev200d and got a vrx without knowing much about the actual latency and hdmi lag. Now I am confident that I could fly my moonlight kit. Just one question, does ev200d support 100hz 720p via hdmi in? Can you please tell me.
Hey Chris, big fan for more then 2 years now, nice work, continue doing so. but one question. the hdzero goggle has a max of 90fps!? still struggling where to go to from my sky04X and with my qlaksnail vrx modul. Walksnail goggle oder hdzero. i am 42 and still think that latenzy is everything despite my slower reflexes ;) what do you think? Walksnail goggle oder HD Zero!? thank you and take care.
Hi Chris, great video. I'm also already a fan of AOS labs. What I find curious is that the difference between the first pixel latency of the Sky o4x at 720p60 and the HD-Zero Goggles at 720p100 is lower than the difference between 720p60 and 720p100 on the Avatar Goggles themselves. Maybe a HDMI input latency measurement for both of them would be interesting after all. There's actually a nice Raspberry Pi project called "pi lag tester" that turns on an LED on a Raspberry Pi Zero as it changes the image on the HDMI out. I have used it to measure the (very high) input latency of my Skyzone Cobra X V2s. If you ask me, the HDMI input lag would also be interesting data for AOS labs (at least I'm curious). I'm happy to share the link (I guess I'm not allowed to do it directly here) if you're interested, but it's also easy to google. The original article is on blogspot.
Hi Chris, I'd love for AOS Labs to follow up on this once HDZero claim they've optimised their firmware for 60fps. I'd also be interested to hear Caddx's comments about the HDMI output on the Avatar VTX.
These are the types of Rosser videos I love most; Testing things we wish we could do. This one was especially nice and concise. Also, appreciate the new test results webpage. A true contributor and great mind for FPV’s future. Have to comment about whatever that voice thing that’s going on at the end of the video. Kinda funny and weird, but it was actually a pleasant-to-the-ear voice. Only constructive criticism would be that often times you’re reading a script and robotic which can be disengaging during your presentation. When you’re talking about AOS Labs, something you’re clearly excited about, the pace in your voice picks up and it makes the viewer excited as well. If somehow you can maintain that pace or close to it in words per minute, you sound much more relatable and engaging. Please don’t be all fake and extra about it, but I think some subtle changes can really make your videos reach to a larger audience. Sorry, not sure how actively you’re working on it or care, but from a superficial perspective, your videos have improved a lot and I want it to keep improving. Keep up the great work Mr Chris Rosser!
Hi Justain, this type of feedback is exactly what I need. I don't script my videos but I'll certainly do my best to pick up the pace a little and let my enthusiasm come through more.
@ChrisRosser Hi, can you please let us know what is the latency on HDZero Goggles + Avatar VRX 720p60 as well 1080p60? There is no info about it after optimization from HDZero - thank you in advance
Hi Chris, Thanks for all your great content and work on frames. I've got 2 questions: Will you design the 6-inch version of AOS frames ? Also, will the AOS 7" get the V2 design eventually ? Thanks ! I ask for it because I really love the iflight's bob57 concept, and I'd love to get an AOS equivalent for buildingmy own. A cool freestyle capable drone but with real long-range abilities ! (Sorry for my English 🤪)
I really think, Art Of Science AOS labs will be verry benificial to alll or most of the fpv/uav community,I will be using it for sure,T hanx for all the time consuming work you do. also thank you for sharing.!
Exept the latency and other specs. How do the compare? Color? Any blurry edges? "Real" ipd (got to put my hdo's to absolut minimum to make it work) etc. And the real subjective part what google will fit most peoples faces best...
It would be interesting if you did a teardown of the walksnail goggles and the walksnail vrx and see how they differ in terms of their receivers. It's possible the goggles have better parts.
Why doesn't anyone show the many goggles/systems through the goggle lens in REAL time in flight to see how much latency is noticeable while flying in each goggle/system being used ? these tests show a lot and the differences BUT how does that affect what one SEE's in the goggle in flight. Is it really that noticeable to cause the operator a issue or do most never notice it at all ?
Would(n't?) it be possible for the Walksnail people to cut down the 60fps latency by running the pipeline at 120fps and outputting only every 2nd frame? The jitter will be high maybe.. but.. seems like an interesting experiment for them to try.
The latency of Walksnail is actually surprisingly high in some modes, and that's just the bench, not counting for the variability in real life. Guess you really have to pic the right mode to enjoy this system especially with the HDZ Goggles. Great test and good to know! And those graphs on your labs site look amazing. This is much better than those spreadsheets!
Would you be able to confirm the Walksnail VRX HDMI output latency with a second device such as a gaming monitor? I wonder, if it is the case that the VRX has high output latency, if there is the ability to get more performance out of the pipeline.....and also if Walksnail has motivation to look into it?
I wonder if a firmware update on the Skyzones will allow for the higher refresh rate . Obviously if he OLED panels support a higher refresh rate. Anyone know what panels are been used?
Isnt the latency problem through HDMI practically unsolvable? According to this ua-cam.com/video/jAGp0JfNof8/v-deo.html, there is 1frame delay between HDMI input and HDMI output at 60fps - so basically 17ms latency. (Should be better at 100fps, theoretically 10ms, but there is more bitrate so who knows). So when standard latency of Walksnail system is 30 - 40ish ms, then at 60fps HDMI adds 50% of latency :(
I just listed a VRX on ebay that I decided I can't afford right now. (My vehicles engine blew out, so I need to pinch pennies.) It is brand new and slightly cheaper than the other options. Hopefully someone enjoys it.
I love how you say "Can Buy Today". Not true statement. Ordered HD Goggles Jan 4th, no Pre-Order indication that day on website, but was added 10 days later. Latest added note on website, "Expected to start shipping in mid-March". Note word expected! This was added over the past few days. We were told by selected UA-camrs it would be Jan 23. What a lie! Shipping 3 to 8 weeks. So the money left my bank account, not just a hold as required by US law, 4 hours later. So Carl has my money. Ordered the 90 fps camera. No pre-order listed. Website says your order will ship in 2 to 5 business days. No camera has shipped yet! So you can keep pimping these goggles all you want but there is still no product to be shipped to buyers.
I would be interested to see your testing method on quad components while using a wind tunnel. The hobby has not focused on aerodynamics and prop loading at speed, but may in the future. Maybe you could forge a partnership with a lab or amateur who has a wind tunnel? ua-cam.com/video/NWYrec9kz9o/v-deo.html
Nah.... I own the new Hdzero goggles with Walksnail Vrx. I also own the DJI system. Most of the time I fly I leave my DJI gear at home... I mean why take two sets of goggle! Now I can fly like a madman on HDzero.... And then slow it down somewhat and just enjoy the scenery with the superior image quality range and penetration of Walksnail. I predict the opposite of what your saying...namely predicting only two hd systems will survive All three will survive but the Hdzero/Walksnail will be the set up of choice for many going forward especially newcomers to the hobby. In so many countries now the weight of drones because of over regulation is coming down and again here Walksnail has the advantage over DJI with their 1s Vtx. The future is say is bright for all three systems.....
@@gmivisualsjason3729 after testing them all, I carry the same stuff as you… I foresee it only getting more popular when the word gets out, and people try it, and realize that the Avatar system is super flexible and with superior flight feel. Still 9/10 times I’m on HDZero and the Runcam90, as it is my happy place, but Avatar has a tangible flight quality to it, that looses only to the picture quality of O3… having stripped down 4 O3s the weight is still 10 grams above everyone else, so on sub 70 gram quads, it’s just not gonna work. Sub250 IS viable on a stripped down O3 though, not the most fun or powerful, as you can literally have twice the power otherwise… but it is serviceable and that’s all that really matters to the average Joe. O3s best application that I found is 4” micro long range, for that it works very well
@@gmivisualsjason3729 I agree. Each has their advantage. I dropped dji because of the costs. If anything - the hdzero goggles breath more life into Walksnail. $110 is an expensive repair when you bust your 03 camera.
@Gmi-Visuals (Jason) I want to get HDZero goggles to run walksnail vrx (ordered already). Then I'd have one google for hdzero (tiny whoops), for walksnail (slightly bigger quads or maybe all), and analog. I still have my dji. I'm going to put wtfos in. So I'm keep my dji. But future if walksnail good maybe I'll do walksnail now on.
Nobody talks about how heavy these goggles are with all the modules (analog + walksnail vrx). 580 grams without 2 antennas. In real life, impossible to fly with unless you are sat on a chair and you are facing up. Otherwise they slide on your face, dig into your nose and overall very uncomfy during flying. If you adjust the head strap to be tighter you get headaches after 2 packs. Battery was on a lead. For reference: walksnail goggles with all antennas- 341gr hdo goggles with analog module and two antennas- 270gr skyzone 04x goggles with 2 antennas- 334gr hdzero goggles with two antennas and analog expansion - 450gr walknsnail vrx module (4 antennas)- 95gr sharkbyte vrx module (2 antennas)- 75gr Apart from that, build quality is good but not to the level of the skyzone's o4x / walksnail / dji. Optics, menu, adjustments are brilliant.
I don’t know why you’d have all 3 modules on all the time. I have wondered about the weight and face feel. It’s not only extra weight but extra weight furthest from the face which is going to pull with leverage. I wonder if you can mount the vrx on the back strap and use antenna cables (mod the vrx) to bring them to the front rail.but maybe that’s not practical.
Well dji goggles v2 slightly heavier than hdzero goggles so many mounted analog box on it. But I'm with other guy I won't leave everything mounted. But I do plan to run walksnail vrx on it a lot
@@wesley4713 analog module is fitted with a screw that it s find under the rx module. Not having that screw makes the entire adaptor pops off easily. The walksnail avatar can pe hold in place with double sticky tape, yes you can remove it every time you are not using it but i normally fly at least two systems on a session. Taking off and on all time increases the chances of damaging something and creates waste. i guess the only feasible option would be to have light antennas and remove all the antennas that are not needed. Another option would to print an adapter that keeps the walksnail module on the top of the goggles, just to shift the weight a bit closer to the face. It s not a deal breaker, there are ways around it, most of the people didn t even noticed it.
@@QSpeedRacer i had the v2's and they are lighter, on a quick google they say 420 grams but because the distance from the top to the bottom is bigger, they stay better on your face.
In case you're wondering my voice at the end was the first symptom of an awful cold.
I hope you get to feeling better expediently. Thank you for the work you've put into AOS labs!
Ahh, hope you feel better soon.
ngl you sound like a professional narrator in that part lol
Hope you're feeling better soon x
The voiceover change at 7:46 is absolutely amazing. You should use the audio settings for the rest of your commentary. 👍
Thanks for taking the time to run these tests and sharing it with everyone! Much appreciated!
after 7:46 i had to look if there is still Chris R talking in the video. hahaha. i really heard a other person. :-)
What's going on with the voice changing at 7:44? Different microphone? it sounds like a different person? AI generated?
I was about to ask the same hahahahah
same! lol
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wtf LOL
yeah I think he used ai for outro clownin
Could I suggest a test? Would be really interesting to compare latency of native Walksnail goggles vs. Walksnail goggles HDMI out piped into HDZero goggles. The difference would presumably be the HDMI encoding component.
I was just listening to this while working on something, and the difference in your voice around the 7:30-8 minute mark threw my brain for a loop! Nothing negative to say whatsoever, it was all done really well. I don't know if I would have noticed, if I were watching and listening. Very interesting.
Thanks for the test Chris! You were the one I thought of when I heard Bardwell claim they were exactly the same. Thanks for putting it to the test.
Yay for aos labs! Thanks for all you do
Awesome comparison. That explains why so many reviewers felt a massive improvement in latency when switching to high framerate mode on the VRX with HDZero goggles. I'm really pleased with this result because it shows my Sky04x is sufficient for the AvatarVRX and there isn't much to be gained from upgrading to HDZero goggles. ❤️
I come to the same conclusion, my EV300O will be fine for a while yet
Nice video! Was looking forward to someone doing these comparisons, and thanks for checking with Carl to explain the difference in 60fps, as it not being optimized yet. I don’t expect I’d use that over the 100 option so I’m glad they put effort to 100fps firsts. Also sounds like you got a cold at the end of the video.
Very informative video Chris thank you for all you do in our community! 👍
I love my HDZero goggles (without Walksnail VRX). I also love you holding claims and assumptions up to empirical testing. I'm looking forward to your website.
Fantastic testing, Chris! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I think Joshua has an expensive spare battery testing setup. Which he sometimes is unhappy about, because he didn‘t use it enough. :)
Also thanks for testing and contacting Carl about this. 🙏
i also remember this a few years ago and was really disappointed about that. there are still a few names around which only make bad batteries.
Thanks Chris, you're doing a stellar job with all this testing. Keep doing what you do!
An AI took over the voiceover ar 7:44 😂
Love AOS Labs! Will be my most clicked bookmark 😎
Almost 80ms for AvatarVRX+HDZero, mother of god that’s crazy! And that’s best case scenario before signal issues create more latency?
This is probably why I killed my WalkSnail test quad on the second flight… lol! Thanks for your quality videos Chris!
p.s. People are loving that end of video sound engineering … haha!
Something has to be wrong about that... Either the numbers do not represent ms or something's wrong about his own VRX. I tested myself the latency with my Walksnail VRX and my Eachine EV200D (very budget goggles, so I don't think they'd have less hdmi latency than hdzero), and I'm getting about 50ms of latency, consistently. Throughout different tests, I've seen as low as 46ms and as high as 53
@@ikerpere9225 yea, I don’t know. I’m inclined to believe Chris as he’s established his credibility, but agreed it seems crazy. Will be interesting to see an update once HDZero finalizes the HDMI input firmware tweaks.
How are you measuring latency? Is it based on the OSD readout? Because I believe that’s just measuring from VTX to VRX, Chris is measuring Camera Lens to Goggle lens here.
@@GiantAntCowboy Yeah, I know. I also believe Chris, I'm not blaming him, I just think something might be wrong, possibly not his methodology. I've tested with 240fps recording on a gopro and with 480fps recording on my phone, counting frames from a led turning on in front of the camera vs in the goggles. It's usually around 20ms more than what the OSD says, in my case. I guess that would depend on the HDMI latency on each goggles
@@ikerpere9225 ok, hmm very interesting... well I’m hoping to have my new WalkSnail setup tomorrow. Not sure if you watch my videos, but I killed my 1s WS setup on the 2nd flight and well long story short… the proper Micro Version should arrive tomorrow, excited to continue testing with the HDzero Goggles and to do some comparisons against my HDZ setups. This dramatic range of latency should be fairly obvious when comparing systems back to back. So we’ll see!
This was that one comment i was looking for everywhere. Thank you @@ikerpere9225 I have ev200d and got a vrx without knowing much about the actual latency and hdmi lag. Now I am confident that I could fly my moonlight kit.
Just one question, does ev200d support 100hz 720p via hdmi in? Can you please tell me.
Hmm Chris #1 seems trustworthy and relaxed but Chris #2 seems professional and spry...
😄 🤣 😂
Geek on the streets but a freek in the sheets!
This is amazing Chris! Thank you so much for all you do sir! Cheers!
Hey Chris,
big fan for more then 2 years now, nice work, continue doing so. but one question. the hdzero goggle has a max of 90fps!? still struggling where to go to from my sky04X and with my qlaksnail vrx modul. Walksnail goggle oder hdzero. i am 42 and still think that latenzy is everything despite my slower reflexes ;)
what do you think? Walksnail goggle oder HD Zero!? thank you and take care.
Hi Chris, great video. I'm also already a fan of AOS labs. What I find curious is that the difference between the first pixel latency of the Sky o4x at 720p60 and the HD-Zero Goggles at 720p100 is lower than the difference between 720p60 and 720p100 on the Avatar Goggles themselves. Maybe a HDMI input latency measurement for both of them would be interesting after all.
There's actually a nice Raspberry Pi project called "pi lag tester" that turns on an LED on a Raspberry Pi Zero as it changes the image on the HDMI out. I have used it to measure the (very high) input latency of my Skyzone Cobra X V2s. If you ask me, the HDMI input lag would also be interesting data for AOS labs (at least I'm curious).
I'm happy to share the link (I guess I'm not allowed to do it directly here) if you're interested, but it's also easy to google. The original article is on blogspot.
Great video as always. Please get well soon Chris 😊❤
Awesome stuff! Looking forward to battery tests as well.
Hi Chris, I'd love for AOS Labs to follow up on this once HDZero claim they've optimised their firmware for 60fps. I'd also be interested to hear Caddx's comments about the HDMI output on the Avatar VTX.
These are the types of Rosser videos I love most; Testing things we wish we could do. This one was especially nice and concise. Also, appreciate the new test results webpage. A true contributor and great mind for FPV’s future.
Have to comment about whatever that voice thing that’s going on at the end of the video. Kinda funny and weird, but it was actually a pleasant-to-the-ear voice.
Only constructive criticism would be that often times you’re reading a script and robotic which can be disengaging during your presentation. When you’re talking about AOS Labs, something you’re clearly excited about, the pace in your voice picks up and it makes the viewer excited as well. If somehow you can maintain that pace or close to it in words per minute, you sound much more relatable and engaging. Please don’t be all fake and extra about it, but I think some subtle changes can really make your videos reach to a larger audience. Sorry, not sure how actively you’re working on it or care, but from a superficial perspective, your videos have improved a lot and I want it to keep improving.
Keep up the great work Mr Chris Rosser!
Hi Justain, this type of feedback is exactly what I need. I don't script my videos but I'll certainly do my best to pick up the pace a little and let my enthusiasm come through more.
@ChrisRosser Hi, can you please let us know what is the latency on HDZero Goggles + Avatar VRX 720p60 as well 1080p60? There is no info about it after optimization from HDZero - thank you in advance
7:43, new mic or voice changed?!
voice break! 😆
Hi Chris, Thanks for all your great content and work on frames. I've got 2 questions: Will you design the 6-inch version of AOS frames ? Also, will the AOS 7" get the V2 design eventually ? Thanks ! I ask for it because I really love the iflight's bob57 concept, and I'd love to get an AOS equivalent for buildingmy own. A cool freestyle capable drone but with real long-range abilities ! (Sorry for my English 🤪)
@7:44 the voice changes
I really think, Art Of Science AOS labs will be verry benificial to alll or most of the fpv/uav community,I will be using it for sure,T hanx for all the time consuming work you do. also thank you for sharing.!
Great thing about HDzero, its always going to get better!
Exept the latency and other specs. How do the compare? Color? Any blurry edges? "Real" ipd (got to put my hdo's to absolut minimum to make it work) etc. And the real subjective part what google will fit most peoples faces best...
Thank you for testing this. Do you think Walksnail could optimize the hdmi output-lag on the VRX in a future firmware update?
It's certainly possible. It depends on their software architecture.
Cool video and useful information, thx!
Wish Walksnail would make a box goggle version.
Great information thank you.
YAY! Awesomesauce! :D
It would be interesting if you did a teardown of the walksnail goggles and the walksnail vrx and see how they differ in terms of their receivers. It's possible the goggles have better parts.
Why doesn't anyone show the many goggles/systems through the goggle lens in REAL time in flight to see how much latency is noticeable while flying in each goggle/system being used ?
these tests show a lot and the differences BUT how does that affect what one SEE's in the goggle in flight. Is it really that noticeable to cause the operator a issue or do most never notice it at all ?
Would(n't?) it be possible for the Walksnail people to cut down the 60fps latency by running the pipeline at 120fps and outputting only every 2nd frame? The jitter will be high maybe.. but.. seems like an interesting experiment for them to try.
Hey guys in the comments. Would this be any good for HDO V1's ? worth it ?
I'm using with them
@@jamisonhinton5837 so you get 720p ? What FPS ?
@@JB-cq2wo 60
The latency of Walksnail is actually surprisingly high in some modes, and that's just the bench, not counting for the variability in real life. Guess you really have to pic the right mode to enjoy this system especially with the HDZ Goggles. Great test and good to know!
And those graphs on your labs site look amazing. This is much better than those spreadsheets!
Thanks great vlog
You qualified the hd zero goggles as the only OLED goggles that can run 100fps, does that mean there are non OLED goggles that also can? Which ones?
I think there's a box goggle that can run 100fps but I don't know which one.
Would you be able to confirm the Walksnail VRX HDMI output latency with a second device such as a gaming monitor? I wonder, if it is the case that the VRX has high output latency, if there is the ability to get more performance out of the pipeline.....and also if Walksnail has motivation to look into it?
Ryan Quellet has done this and we can confirm HDzero goggle input latency is similar to the gaming monitor (within margin of error)
I wonder if a firmware update on the Skyzones will allow for the higher refresh rate . Obviously if he OLED panels support a higher refresh rate. Anyone know what panels are been used?
I asked Skyzone via email, their response was that it is not possible for them to make the higher frame rates work.
nice!! great job!!
Finally I was waiting for it... 🙂
Isnt the latency problem through HDMI practically unsolvable? According to this ua-cam.com/video/jAGp0JfNof8/v-deo.html, there is 1frame delay between HDMI input and HDMI output at 60fps - so basically 17ms latency. (Should be better at 100fps, theoretically 10ms, but there is more bitrate so who knows).
So when standard latency of Walksnail system is 30 - 40ish ms, then at 60fps HDMI adds 50% of latency :(
How can hdzero/vrx at 720p 25mbps have more latency than at 50mbps?
Not sure the exact reason but it's very repeatable on all WS systems. At 100fps 50Mbit is 3-4ms faster than 25Mbit.
Aoslabs is a great idea. 👍
Maybe you can link your frame related youtube videos on your aos page
Great suggestion! Will do 😁
👍🏻👍🏻
I just listed a VRX on ebay that I decided I can't afford right now. (My vehicles engine blew out, so I need to pinch pennies.) It is brand new and slightly cheaper than the other options. Hopefully someone enjoys it.
That last bit was scary
Link to the test method. Heart emoji
Who's doubling your voice at the end of the video?? Lol
Next time try the Dart Vader voice..
At 7;45 his voice completely changed
Did you just dub your self in the last part of the video?
No, I caught a nightmare cold.
@@ChrisRosser Aw sorry for that, and thank you for bringing always amazing content
I eat something and then I make myself comfortable... 🤙
That voice change....lol
Yep. Turns out I was about to get really ill.
I love how you say "Can Buy Today". Not true statement. Ordered HD Goggles Jan 4th, no Pre-Order indication that day on website, but was added 10 days later. Latest added note on website, "Expected to start shipping in mid-March". Note word expected! This was added over the past few days. We were told by selected UA-camrs it would be Jan 23. What a lie! Shipping 3 to 8 weeks. So the money left my bank account, not just a hold as required by US law, 4 hours later. So Carl has my money. Ordered the 90 fps camera. No pre-order listed. Website says your order will ship in 2 to 5 business days. No camera has shipped yet! So you can keep pimping these goggles all you want but there is still no product to be shipped to buyers.
I would be interested to see your testing method on quad components while using a wind tunnel. The hobby has not focused on aerodynamics and prop loading at speed, but may in the future. Maybe you could forge a partnership with a lab or amateur who has a wind tunnel?
ua-cam.com/video/NWYrec9kz9o/v-deo.html
7:44 wtf
Walksnail is DOA anyway imo. Good notes though! Nice display of the versatility of the HDzero googs
Nah.... I own the new Hdzero goggles with Walksnail Vrx. I also own the DJI system.
Most of the time I fly I leave my DJI gear at home...
I mean why take two sets of goggle!
Now I can fly like a madman on HDzero.... And then slow it down somewhat and just enjoy the scenery with the superior image quality range and penetration of Walksnail.
I predict the opposite of what your saying...namely predicting only two hd systems will survive
All three will survive but the Hdzero/Walksnail will be the set up of choice for many going forward especially newcomers to the hobby.
In so many countries now the weight of drones because of over regulation is coming down and again here Walksnail has the advantage over DJI with their 1s Vtx.
The future is say is bright for all three systems.....
@@gmivisualsjason3729 after testing them all, I carry the same stuff as you… I foresee it only getting more popular when the word gets out, and people try it, and realize that the Avatar system is super flexible and with superior flight feel.
Still 9/10 times I’m on HDZero and the Runcam90, as it is my happy place, but Avatar has a tangible flight quality to it, that looses only to the picture quality of O3… having stripped down 4 O3s the weight is still 10 grams above everyone else, so on sub 70 gram quads, it’s just not gonna work.
Sub250 IS viable on a stripped down O3 though, not the most fun or powerful, as you can literally have twice the power otherwise… but it is serviceable and that’s all that really matters to the average Joe. O3s best application that I found is 4” micro long range, for that it works very well
@@gmivisualsjason3729 I agree. Each has their advantage. I dropped dji because of the costs. If anything - the hdzero goggles breath more life into Walksnail. $110 is an expensive repair when you bust your 03 camera.
@Gmi-Visuals (Jason) I want to get HDZero goggles to run walksnail vrx (ordered already). Then I'd have one google for hdzero (tiny whoops), for walksnail (slightly bigger quads or maybe all), and analog.
I still have my dji. I'm going to put wtfos in. So I'm keep my dji. But future if walksnail good maybe I'll do walksnail now on.
@@QSpeedRacer Sounds like you have all the same gear as me! 🤣🤣. I think Walksnail is greatly under rated.... It's VERY good
Nobody talks about how heavy these goggles are with all the modules (analog + walksnail vrx).
580 grams without 2 antennas. In real life, impossible to fly with unless you are sat on a chair and you are facing up. Otherwise they slide on your face, dig into your nose and overall very uncomfy during flying. If you adjust the head strap to be tighter you get headaches after 2 packs. Battery was on a lead.
For reference:
walksnail goggles with all antennas- 341gr
hdo goggles with analog module and two antennas- 270gr
skyzone 04x goggles with 2 antennas- 334gr
hdzero goggles with two antennas and analog expansion - 450gr
walknsnail vrx module (4 antennas)- 95gr
sharkbyte vrx module (2 antennas)- 75gr
Apart from that, build quality is good but not to the level of the skyzone's o4x / walksnail / dji.
Optics, menu, adjustments are brilliant.
I don’t know why you’d have all 3 modules on all the time. I have wondered about the weight and face feel. It’s not only extra weight but extra weight furthest from the face which is going to pull with leverage. I wonder if you can mount the vrx on the back strap and use antenna cables (mod the vrx) to bring them to the front rail.but maybe that’s not practical.
Well dji goggles v2 slightly heavier than hdzero goggles so many mounted analog box on it.
But I'm with other guy I won't leave everything mounted. But I do plan to run walksnail vrx on it a lot
@@wesley4713 analog module is fitted with a screw that it s find under the rx module. Not having that screw makes the entire adaptor pops off easily. The walksnail avatar can pe hold in place with double sticky tape, yes you can remove it every time you are not using it but i normally fly at least two systems on a session. Taking off and on all time increases the chances of damaging something and creates waste. i guess the only feasible option would be to have light antennas and remove all the antennas that are not needed. Another option would to print an adapter that keeps the walksnail module on the top of the goggles, just to shift the weight a bit closer to the face. It s not a deal breaker, there are ways around it, most of the people didn t even noticed it.
@@QSpeedRacer i had the v2's and they are lighter, on a quick google they say 420 grams but because the distance from the top to the bottom is bigger, they stay better on your face.
@ADV. ANDREI yea my skyzone stick on a weird angle that bottom corners I can't see unless I angle goggles up some
Thanks so much for that
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