@@ryuuzSd Because the talented array of talent is already talented. To say the talented is an array of talent is to say the talented array of talented talent is talented, when they are simply an array of talent.
After the match I thought about this. I'm 'alright' with us going out to the holders and playing well in the process. However, if we do a Belgium and waste this crop of players it will feel so hollow.
Southgate gets loads of credit for changing the culture within the England squad. I am wondering whether this is simply a reflection of the changes within football culture in general through this period. For example, Liverpool and Man City have been the dominant teams during Southgate's tenure, but you can see a mutual respect between the players, and little in the way of antipathy.
That's entirely subbjective.we cannot prove he's done anything in thhat respect. We can prove that he doesn''t have the confidence to taake calculated Offensive tactical risks, when our best players are aall attacking players and we have an average defence
100% spot on. Football rivalries have become less emotional and vitriolic among players. The closest it’s come is after the Man City v Liverpool game when Sterling grabbed Gomez by the throat during England training (which in itself was a moment of total madness because Joe Gomez is one of the most chill people on the planet). Southgate aside; a lot of these players would still be mates off the pitch. Despite the consistent title challenges, Van Dijk and KDB are on very good terms off the pitch and that owes nothing to Southgate; just modern football. There isn’t really a modern equivalent to Keane v Viera bitter rivalry🤷🏼♀️
Lol that "culture" means absolutely nothing!! The Spanish had RM/Barca players that punched, kicked and scratched each other during El Classico that came together to win trophies between '08 - '16. I never see that animosity amongst the English players at club level so that "mutual respect" doesn't win anything for England!
As an Irishman, a large part of me hopes Southgate stays on as England manager. But jokes aside, Rory’s right, this England team deserves a better coach.
@@saltedgerman OK I see that point. It's a shame a player of his talent isn't being used. I'm not an Irishman but I have the blood, but either way it annoys me as a fan of football.
@@kentvanhoeven3946 I'm not the biggest fan of Grealish but he's definitely a guy that can make things happen even if it's mainly winning set plays. I'd put him ahead of Sterling in the pecking order for sure.
To me (I’m german) it looks like England has one massive problem an that’s their history of failures. I think every English football fan as well as every player knows that it’s been decades since you last won anything. And with every year and every knock out this understanding of yourself as “the nation that can’t win” gets bigger in the back of the head of every english fan and player. Of course the players are motivated and convinced they can win these game and I believe even the tournaments. But the big difference to (for example) France is, they know they can win. And even if things aren’t going there way as the game last night, when England put them under a lot of pressure, they know “we will find a way to win”. And to me it looked like the English players (especially after the second goal for France) they were thinking “this can’t happen to us again. Why always us?“ That’s why I think (and again that’s only the impression I get from outside England) I think you need a new manager, who’s got a history of winning. Southgate did a decent job managing this team this World Cup. But the difference to France is, they had the Captain of their first World Cup winning team as a coach. You have someone who (with all due respect) is known for his failure in the biggest moment of hie career as a player. I think you need someone who brings that winning mentality and that’s not Southgate. Nevertheless it was a great game and it would have deserved to be the final of the World Cup.
@@ig2257 since we (Germany) stick with Hansi Flick🙄 Thomas Tuchel might be a good fit. He’s familiar with many players and the Premier League. And he showed that he can handle big names like Neymar or Mbappe. Furthermore he won the Championships League in less than 8 months at Chelsea. Considering that it’s only 18 Months until the Euros you need someone who has a quick impact.
@@ludwigdeichmann2661 France is out next round left back shit center back worse than Harry Maguire and goalie shit against a team who doesn't let in goals it over
Southgate has done well in 1 element vibes, he's definitely broken the club walls down, but anyone who watches football knows that group of players, not just the first 11 the squad is insane. We need a tactical head, definitely keep the togetherness and all that this generation is different club allegiances don't matter anymore. Dont waste this generation.
@@Swwattera lot of them are premier league winners champions league winners/finalists, top goal scorers etc guessing you only watch football when it’s international.
@@kenadams2833 prem players are not that good i think the prem marketing has gone to you guys heads the french team had 0 prem players playing the italian team had 1 the croatian team had 1 the prem is all about speed whilst other leagues are more tactical and technical you cant win outside england if all u can do is run run run its even evident in ucl prem has never dominated any decade and hasnt gone back to back in ucl or europa since 1982 literally last year not one prem team won any tournament that involved other leagues
@@DopeBoyFaze prem players are not that good? 😂😂😂 best league in the world currently dominating the champions league in recent times every year there’s more prem teams left, Chelsea and liverpool champions man city favourites this year.
It's actually pretty difficult to disagree with anything Rorys saying tbh, and he's absolutely right that nobodys talking about the relegation and how significant that is, however insignificant the tournament may be.
Before them nations league games everybody was saying how pointless they were because the season was over. Don't try rewriting the truth to fit your agenda
@@joelpedder6677 I literally said "However insignificant the tournament may be" and the england team and southgate said they would take it seriously - dont try rewriting the truth to fit your agenda.
@@Alex-lc7v I apologise my brain didn't even read the "how significant" part 🤣 i reckon he should step down but we gotta remember how shit it was before Southgate
@@joelpedder6677 no problem it happens :) It was shit before Southgate but everything was shit. The individuals weren't performing whatsoever, the media was constantly hounding everyone, the team chemistry wasn't great, absolutely nothing clicked. All of that is fixed now. The players show immense talent, almost the entire country is backing them, all the loudest voices in media were backing them, all the social media vids and interviews and behind the scenes showed all the players clicking like a group of a best mates. There is a single thing out of place in the England picture, and it is the inexperienced FA yes-man, Gareth Southgate. I reckon credit should be given to him for making a lot of the above happen, but he is simply not the man for the final job. Also we really have to highlight the damage he's done to the young lads by putting them on penalties without a touch on the ball. In 2021 he made them believe they're the ones to break Englands curse and you can see it on their faces that they believe they're cursed now. But they will go again, I just hope they do it under an experienced manager and frankly a better psychology team.
@MetzIII The only argument you've presented is that they're world champions. Empirically that means absolutely nothing, not to mention that they're without some of their key players. On paper the England squads talent is arguably either very similar or better in every single position bar Mbappe (who was utterly muted on the day, although Griezmann picked up the slack - note: this was a superior managerial decision too). The only glaring difference in quality is in the technical area.
That’s great and all, but he’s lost 3 cup competitions, semis, finals and quarters. In international football there’s a 2 year wait for another euros and 4 year wait for another World Cup, so let’s not act like he’s building on and getting momentum because that’s not possible it’s not like league football where Liverpool fail to win the league but then win a cup or 2 and then next season back the manager again and keep doing this to build consistent success, Southgate doesn’t have the luxury of a potential 4 trophies every year. So yeah he’s got to go. It’s just not good enough
Exactly. 2 WC and 1 Euro wasted. Not saying we would've won it all but with a good coach we could've won atleast 1 trophy by now. But instead idiots are arguing about Southgate in when he should've been sacked after the Euro's.
@@arun6641 capello had a bunch of players who hated each other didn’t want to even play for the shirt and there only thought was premier league football. This team is a lot different and they’re been wasted on a nothing manager.
@@kenadams2833 Yh and that all changed precisely when Southgate got the job. Maybe he isn’t the man to win a tournament but to say we have ‘wasted’ 3 tournaments on Southgate when we had a midfield of Dele Alli, Jesse Lingard (who are not even midfielders) and Henderson against Modric, Brozovic and Rakitic in one of them is nonsensical.
Totally agree. Right squad, wrong manager. In the right hands this exceptional current generation of players has a real chance to end all the years of hurt.
@@zinedinezidane4771 they out played France last night and if the ref was so shit probably would have won it, people have short memory perhaps but before Southgate England didn't get out of the group in 2014 and got knocked out by Iceland in 2016
@@user-gp6cc8jj6d but we lost. Who cares if they outplayed the opposition seriously? And they didn't out play France. France sit back for a reason and have done for years under Deschamps.
@@zinedinezidane4771 I agree that France outplayed us in the first half, but we did have them on the ropes in the second half and the game was ours to win. We lost the game through not taking our chances and Southgate not knowing how to make tactical subs.
Unfortunately, Gareth has taken us as far as he can. Nice man. However, against big teams e.g Italy (twice) and France, we have no plan B, strategy or have the mindset to kill the game off.
@@Dani-kq6qq This is nonsense. Tuchel and Poch both live in England and they can speak the language fluently - why should their nationalities disqualify them?
@@imouto4hire Poch can coach the team, he is Argentinian. But not German and French coaches. This is because France and Germany are England's arch-rivals in everything.
You're right m8 Morocco changed their manager just before the world cup sacking the previous manager that got them to the world cup qualification in the 1st place , England should have done the same giving the only thing that England is missing is a decent manger .
I find that English fans are mostly the ones who are ok with Southgate staying. Imho seeing this all from a neutral’s perspective, England really should be winning this tournament. The team is INSANEEE. At the very least they should be in the final. I literally don’t see a flaw in this squad. Maybe the center backs are not quick but they are still playing well and haven’t seen much error from them this tournament. Euros 2024 should be in the bag imo and if it’s not then this looks like it’s gonna be another golden generation wasted.
You don't see a flaw lmaoooooo. Full backs are all average atm. No good CBs. GKs are midtable quality at best. Henderson and Mount are 2 of the best CM options. No STs close to Kane's ability. Moron
I agree. England should've beaten France & won the tournament but knockout football doesn't work like that otherwise there would be no point in having it if we all knew who would win all the time. But I don't blame Southgate for the defeat I think he's done everything right. It was probably more Deschamps having a masterstroke than Southgate getting it wrong imo.
He just needs 4 or 5 more tournaments. You smashed the footballing giants of Senegal, Wales and Iran. France may have been riddled with injuries and you may have scored one goal off a penalty but I really think he can bring it home in a couple of decades.
Funny thing is, England fans actually believe the first part of that comment. They get easy brackets and go to finals and semi finals but fall flat at the first strong opposition. Then they want to sack said manager that brought them that far.
That's why Rory will never be taken seriously with comments like that. He's given to hyperbole on occasion. Actually a lot. Brazil had more talented players as well as the French. We were competitive though.
The rest of the world dont rate England as much our media and some of our fans do. Overhyped, overrated and not a big side in international football look at our losses since 66: 🇧🇷 🇩🇪- 1970, DNQ - 1974 & 1978 1982 couldnt beat Germany or Spain 1986 - 🇦🇷 1990 - 🇩🇪 1994 - DNQ 1998 - 🇦🇷 2002 - 🇧🇷 2006 - 🇵🇹 2010 - 🇩🇪 2014 - 🇮🇹 🇺🇾 2018 - 🇧🇪 🇭🇷 2022 - 🇫🇷 but but its all Southgates fault 0_0
Exactly, look at the richarlison goal against switzerland and mbappe hat-trick in the final, the quality of those goals under the extreme pressure they were under, when's the last time you saw ANY player in an England shirt display that feat of footballing quality? Never.
I’m not sure if the right answer is to remove him purely because I don’t know who is on the market that would be an upgrade. My only issue with him is he is way too late with substitutions, doesn’t give players a chance to come on and make an impact, give the opposition something new to think about. It’s a real issues he needs to rectify.
@@Wavy612 yes he would. Everton, southampton, are all jobs that he’s perfectly qualified for. What on earth has Frank lampard done that shows he’s capable of managing Everton? If Steve Bruce can regularly get a stint in the prem then Southgate is perfectly capable
Belgium under Roberto Martinez beat Top 10 ranked nations (8) times during a 6 year spell. England under Gareth Southgate beat Top 10 ranked nations (4) times during a 6 year spell. 6 years across 3 tournaments, WC, Euro's and Nations League. If you're being outdone by Martinez, then you're just not good enough
4 times? and none at a major tournament. I can't recall a single Southgate victory over a top nation at a tournament, whereas Martinez' Belgium beat Brazil , Portugal and us twice.
French here and i felt i could breath when i saw England did not push harder after the pk equalizer. And felt like France won the game when Saka was out and with Kane missing the 2nd pk. Even Rashford’s last kick was no threat. All stars were already line-up for France victory. Poor decision making from Southgate at the most important moments of the game. Southgate reminds me of Domenech (not that they’re even, don’t get me wrong). Domenech was a poor manager and keeping him after 2006 was a mistake. And France did learn. Even Blanc got sacked in 2012. Deschamps could have been sacked in 2014 but our federation kept him because 2016 was only Euro. If Deschamps failed 2018 he would have been sacked. And even today Deschamps can be sacked any time. We have Zidane pressuring him to win. Zidane said he wants to take the French team and is only waiting for a mistake from Ladesch. England 🏴 must not be afraid to sack their manager. That’s what a nation angry for cups need.
The fact that France got to the World Cup final under Domenech shows how great of a player Zidane was. They were in trouble of not making the tournament before convincing Zidane to come out of international retirement and not only does he lead France to the World Cup but to the Final. That's why Zidane is my GOAT
England should change half of their fans, half of their pundits, and most of their newspapers editors before changing the manager... They are the real reason for this karma 😅
As Middlesbrough boss in his first two years of management he finished 12th and then 13th in the Premier League before being relegated (with a seriously depleted squad because of financial troubles at the club) in his third year.
Tell me at least 3 premier league teams that he makes better right now? England now have a team that can compete with France Brazil Argentina etc. infact in my opinion the only 2 teams that are on par player for player are Brazil and France.
@@kenadams2833 club football and international football are completely different tho. I don’t think England will win with Southgate but who would they even get to replace him that actually would get them to win.
'EnGlaNd SqUaD Is BeTtEr' Yeah, definitely, Rice who played his whole career at West Ham is superior to Tchouaméni who's already apilaster of Real Madrid, Foden is superio to Mbappé who has already over 200 goals (scored 9 in WC), 100 assists, carried PSG for years and world champion at 23,...
Spot on Rory. Southgate has given us a good foundation to go forward and brought some positivity around England but if we want to beat big teams he has to go.
And who would you get? Because Poch or Tuchel aren't getting it. Should we give these players to Sean Dyche? What about Alan Pardew? Maybe Roy Hodgson can have another go
@@jamesgunn7 Well they have to find someone because we can’t keep doing the exact same thing against big/good teams and losing in the exact same fashion each time. Unless your fine with that but know that we will never win.
@@jamesgunn7 Sean dyche probably would do a better job. He’s smarter than you think. he only played such negative football because he had to do so to survive.
Nothing more Rory than a video like this. Maybe bring in his guy Tuchel to coach England. My only gripe with Southgate yesterday was Sterling coming on first after he’s been back in England this week dealing with some family stuff. GS even said he wasn’t super fit after the long plane rides
@@fantasypgatour I’m not pro Southgate. I assume he’s gonna go. I just think a lot of people overestimate the top end attacking talent of England. Maybe I’m wrong and they’ll be scoring 4+ a game with someone else. I just think in any sport the players win and lose you games more than a coach does
As a Arsenal fan and for someone that lives in USA wenger would be a better option if he up for it. But it drives me crazy how much you Guys take ur mangers for granted. As a American who’s team is also full of potential we have to deal with berhalter. As much as southgate seems clueless I can tell you berhalter is even more clueless dude is only a mls manager. All being said a hope both our country find a good manager that the players can develop with.
Weirdly after last night i’m southgate in. Tactically I thought we set up very well and dominated the world champions, the shocking refereeing and Kane’s pen let us down last night, not Gareth
Bro you only scored by a pen, and missed one. All of your attacks were toothless, all slow shots, too easy for Lloris. But every France attack had something to it. Giroud almost scored a minute before he scored. Dembele almost scored and so on. Apart from penalties there is only one chance that was good for England. The possesion means nothing if you don't use it
@@lexluthor1642 absolutely agree I think he has to go and not because he’s terrible but he’s set us up well but doesn’t have that final little bit that will get us from the quart/semi/final to a win toothless was a great way of describing it we were good in places but attacking was a weakness now we need someone who will develop our attacking side better
@@lexluthor1642 Tchouameni’s goal should never have stood, the foul on Saka we shouldve had a free kick instead and you wouldn’t have gone up. Also when Kane got taken out in the box and no pen was given was embarrassing, if England go 1-0 up that early the game’s a different story
@@carlmcgrath484 bruv we created no clear chances France had 3-5 Clear chances and they were shit we don’t do anything with the ball to make a goal the 2nd pen given was a stupid mistake by Hernandez the ball put in was shit and he made a mistake the subs made were a joke idk how u can think Southgate is winning anything
The real failures for me is the generation of English players that the FA identified as the ones that will win the 2022 World Cup. The likes of Lingard, Barkley, Ruben Loftus Cheek, Dele Alli, Hudson-Odoi etc. all failed to develop which is we had to rely on a bunch of 19-24 year olds not yet at their prime
Great video, Rory. Gareth essentially gave up when he hauled off England’s best player in Saka . Should’ve substituted Henderson for Grealish and move Foden more centrally imo Cowardly and unforgivable
I like Southgate how can you not? And he's given us more hope than I've seen in my life. But so he should with that team, he's just not the man. We've gotten lucky with our match ups tbh. Thank you Southgate but it's time man.
Arnold wouldve been a jojo for dembele and mbappe to play with. He shouldnt even be on the bench. You liverpoolfans need to take your head out of you a$$ and accept he is medicore at best
"the England squad is better than the France squad" and therein lies the root of English football's problems for the past 50 years. You are not even in the same ballpark as France
Can’t underestimate the amount of good Southgate has done it terms of installing a sprit and togetherness. I feel that’s a good legacy to leave now in itself but it is time to find an attack minded manager. Playing 3cdm when there’s so much creativity and talent on the bench is a red flag
Only positive I can give is that I was impressed that Gareth went with the same team and very much wanted to dominate the ball. That being said, his in game management is once again rightfully questioned. Game was screaming out for more dynamic changes earlier and instead he made the substitution he was probably gonna make whether England were winning, losing or drawing the game. No doubt he's created a better dressing room culture and found a way to get the best out of SOME players, but other than that, he's shown nothing to make anyone believe he's a great coach/tactician. Bin him off. Eddie Howe come on down. I honestly believe that Newcastle are just hoping to get Europe, so then they can attract an elite manager to the project, similar to what City did with Hughes. So hopefully that happens and he's able to be gotten. If not, swallow this English bias pride and let's go get a Tuchel. Yes, he German, but he's also proven himself to be a great tactician and a solid man manager. And also knows how to win big games and regularly get to finals.
Wouldn’t feel right imo. Even if we did win a major tournament the it would forever be tainted. We’d be taunted with “ well you only won because of a foreign coach”. It needs to be Howe or Potter and nobody else. Otherwise we just stick with Southgate and settle for mediocrity and an empty trophy cabinet
@@oracle8589 if Newcastle finish in UEL/UCL places, I think Newcastle sack him and get a BIG name coach. Similar to what happened with Hughes at City. I think Potter gets a full season and depending on where they finish, he's gonna be on a tightrope season 2. So if the FA wanna wait it out, I got no problem with that, but just mentioning Tuchel because he's available today
@@JC-to5byGermany are the old enemy! As sad as it is to say, if England won a tournament with a German coach we would be laughed at forever more, England attracts the hate of the world, rival fans wouldn't let us live it down, every other comment would be Germany this, German that. Anything but a German in the job will do fine.
bobby robson overcame the might of paraguay, belgium (outplayed us on the night) and cameroon. Sven had to face brazil in the qf cos he couldn't beat sweden or nigeria, capello couldn't overcome Algeria or usa and got smoked by Germany's u21 side. Who are we to say we should be strolling through tournament football consistently? Whilst Southgate has a talented squad, all the other managers i mentioned had talented squads as well.
He took off saka for sterling when sterling was barely in training because he came back to the uk. I just knew he would play sterling he has his favourites unfortunately and he needs to go he’s had enough chances
You're right Rory we gotta sack him. England has such depth and quality in their squad yet they haven't won anything. I just hope British public will appreciate their efforts but also not overhype their performance. We have to have a killer instinct if England is to win any major tournament , have to set an example here and escape a mindset of mediocrity that prevails within the wider British public!
you realise there's only 1 tournament every 2 years and only one country takes anything home, right? it's not club management where you have 5 trophies you can win every year. Stop being fickle
@@sirprintalot See this is what I'm telling you as a non British I can see clearly where this squad is headed. I don't have any bias to Southgate. He's just not good enough , he won't get a job in the premier league. I love this team and seeing them lose hurts. It has nothing to do with being 'fickle'. We have already given him 6 years and he hasn't delivered. He needs to move on now! Winners don't make excuses , they just win. I just hope people realize this and see what right or wrong for the national team.
A France team without *Benzema, Kanté, Nkunku, Pogba, Kimpembe and Lucas Hernandez...* that's like losing to an England team that doesn't have Harry Kane, Declan Rice, Foden, Mount, Maguire and Shaw.
I've been saying it for years. Yet the narrative will be spun of 'He got to the final and Semi final.' But yet big whoop? Look who he beat to get there. There isn't a single big team that he properly beat. Not even Germany, as it's shown that Germany side is in massive decline. Any time we come up against some of real class, who know what they're doing. We get beat. It's happened at the past three tourneys now. Yet people can't wake up and smell the bacon. It's not just that too. His choice in the matter are truly shocking. People talk about Saka, and yes that's agreeable. But look at Kane too. Kane had arguably his WORST tourney, yet besides when we were destroying Iran, so he had the freedom of the land to remove him, he NEVER takes him off! You've got someone like Wilson, sat on the bench, whom has SHOWN he links really well, and offers a lot. Yet, will NEVER bring him on, and posits with sticking with something that isn't working. If he was in a PL job, he would've been sacked a while ago. I'll be surprised if he even is now. Deserves to be gone.
I think it’s unfair for Rory to criticise Southgate like this after last nights performance. There’s arguments for the timing of the changes last night but I think it all came down to luck in the end.
No, it did not just come down to luck. We failed to be proactive after finding the equaliser. The depth of our bench was our biggest advantage over France, and Southgate failed to utilise it.
I'm a neutral as I'm from New Zealand and we didn't even qualify but I think unless England can get a top manager I think it might be best to keep Southgate I don't see England getting worse in big tournaments; if Kane converted that penalty I'm pretty confident that England would of gone on to win as France don't have the same talent off the bench for extra time. The England squad is only going to get better as they have a core of 6-7 big talents that will enter their primes in the next 4-8 years, and I personally think most their development will be done on the club side with the now abudence of top managers in the premier league; so within the England setup I think having a good man manager to keep all the star egos happy will be just as important as good tactics.
France and Spain have equally impressive young squads with France being nailed on for the next decade. So we need a manager that can even the score for us and make the most of our attacking talent.
Berhalter is worse though. The guy has a beef with our most talented player and is making it public. And the USSF has the audactity to consider bringing him back for more of this mediocrity
Stat: Southgate has a 16.7% win rate against top 10 FIFA ranked teams during his tenure. 4 wins from 24 games…What does this tell you? He might be a great player-manager but tactically, well…the result speaks for itself…
"One of the most talented array of talent that the world has ever seen" Classic English hubris, you're not even close to that. You keep overrating yourselves which is why you are always the only one who are surprised when you don't win anything.
I get the Trent argument and that he is deff being wasted on the bench, but surely Rory u cant think that Trent would have been a better RB against Mbappe than Kyle Walker is? Are we forgetting what Vini did to him in the UCL final? Yes Trent is prob the worlds best RB but no1 has a better chance of stopping Kylian Mbappe than Kyle Walker does... Other games yes, but this time i no. Rest of the video is spot on tho man totally agree with u!
Would've been better of going back 5. That way Walker can still man mark Mbappe and England would have been able to have a wide attacking outlet in Trent, instead of constantly playing inside
Saying both Italian and French managers got one over Southgate, when both games were decided on pens is an awful take… Eng far the better side against France and Kane scoring the pen could have seen a different result… Also to mention to Trent, Grealish being on the bench, when every England fan said walker was the only player who was able to stop mbappe and grealish over Saka or foden, not many fans would say that should happen
I feel like I have to keep reminding myself that the special thing about this squad is the players and the players alone, because the media puts such a positive spotlight on Southgate, seems like a lovely guy… but it’s just not enough mate
I think he’s using this defeat as an excuse to get southgate out. He wasn’t saying we were the better team before the game but because we were so dominant and had an unfortunate loss it’s easy to aim at southgate.
@@r4h4al it's not about battering them for 90 minutes. It is about keeping on top of them while we are in the ascendency. We were all over them after they scored and as soon as we equalised, we backed off. Same thing happened when we went 1-0 up against Italy and the same outcome happened. We can't keep making this same mistake every tournament.
@@SirMonkeySuit True. That would be an argument for Southgate to go but nobody is offering up an alternative so if there's no alternative then by default he has to stay. Also you're being harsh on Southgate anyway. Again a team can't be in the ascendancy for the whole 90 minutes. But I agree that the period between 1-1 & 2-1 we should've been in the ascendancy.
He coached a winning performance against the current champions of the world. That match, albeit a few strange subs, wasn't his fault. The fine margins define success in management but we are watching football miles better than any of the last 10 managers for England. Would be silly to sack him now
The only reason is was fine margins is because Hernandez was an idiot and had a bad game the ball played in was clearly going out and usually a defender would leave it and we would of lost we created no chances our only chances came from penalties we don’t create enough while France not playing well had 3-5 clear chances Southgate is a shit manager
There is clear improvements, i thought he was a bit luck in 2018, but the team has been much better in the last 2 tournaments and Capello was an "elite" coach, how did that work out...
We have to recognise that Southgate's in-game management and use of substitutes is consistently poor in the big games. His pragmatism is good in group stages and against lesser opposition - and he's built a good squad vibe - but he just doesn't affect the big games. The top coaches know how to make that one in-game decision that affects the game, swings tight games, gets a goal, etc. Southgate just doesn't do this. He had France on the ropes for the taking at 60 minutes then took of our main threat (Saka) then resorted back to his out of form favourites (Sterling and Mount). Bizarrely, Sterling hadn't trained all week either. He brings on Rashford and Grealish far to late to affect the game - then leaves the top assist-maker and best goal-scoring number 10 (TAA and Maddison) on the bench. When we need that one killer pass - or free-kick even - we didn't have the top players on the pitch. His insistence on Maguire ended up costing England too - as he was done on Giroud's winner as well as the Iran goals. Nice guy but we just won't get over the line with Southgate - and failed ex-England pros need to stop protecting him just because they lost under better managers. A better manager makes that one tactical decision to affect the game - which Southgate never does. Once again a tournament opens up for us and we go out against the first decent team. Look what Morocco have done with a lesser team but better management.
Can you do a video of how England could line up in the next competition? One of the reasons I was disappointed is because we may not have the likes of; Kane, Walker, Henderson, Sterling, Stones and Maguire. I think we'll be fine everywhere else but kane being mid 30's is the one that hurts the most. I imagine TAA will improve and probably be the first choice right back. May see the likes of Cole Palmer, Harvey Elliot and Anthony Gordon?
Don't forget Reece James, literally one of the best right backs in the world at the moment. He will be entering his prime when Euro 2024 comes around - he could be a game changer for us.
I'm on the fence really. England are now a team with no club barriers, that pass out the back and beat Germany in a knockout game on the way to a major final and just outplayed the current world champions and got a bit unlucky on the night
Yes, England players have been talked and hyped up in the past mate, but this crop of players is the best we've seen for a generation. The technical ability is levels higher than previous England players, and the depth of the squad is huge compared to any England team from the last 40+ years.
England fans think they are Brazil, just like Spain fans. While they have one of the most talented squads in the world HISTORY and PEDIGREE, as Rory would say, also play a part in this. When push comes to shove you just have to accept that you’re not THAT guy.
I think it's time for Southgate to go. England have some outrageous players with an equally strong bench, but they are being stifled under Southgate. I attributed the Croatia game to naïvety and lack of experience. I attributed the Italy game to poor in-game management, but a harsh lesson learned. But it wasn't! Southgate seems to be inept at altering the tactics mid-game if plan A isn't working. I don't know why he subbed off Saka - who was having a stormer - with Sterling who had only returned the day before.
I feel like you didn't watch the gam last night, England were creative and we should have at least taken the game to extra time. How Harry Kane isn't getting more flack for the missed chip shot in the first half and the missed penalty in the second half, is beyond me
I agree difference between world class strikers is they can handle the pressure kane hasn't played great in most of England matches but as soon as he started to mess with the ball on the spot for a second time I just knew his arse had gone
Because the missed chip wasn't his fault. You idiots will do anything but praise goalkeepers for doing good goalkeeping. Also, do you just not go on twitter? Kane is getting hounded by everyone who doesn't support Spurs
@@yourmum955 are you praising the keeper for him not hitting the target with the 2nd penalty..idiots like you who think he's world class...no trophies and zero impact in big games where it matters but penalties can be missed just make sure you hit the target then I'll praise the goalkeeper
I wasn’t a big fan about Southgate before this World Cup and I thought this World Cup would make or break him as an England manager. I now think he’s the best England manager ever. This World Cup, even though we went out in the quarters which is disappointing, I feel that he’s been brave, attack-minded, and used our strongest players. Players such as Maguire, Shaw and Henderson are always doubted when it comes to world cups yet Southgate uses them no matter how much idiots like Jennings doubt them. That’s bravery. Southgate makes us feel close to this team, makes everything feel more real and personal compared to the likes of Capello and Hodgson did. Last night obviously was frustrating and gutting, but I thought Southgate set us up to attack against the best national team in the world- how is that cowardly and ‘tactically-inept’? Last night was the best we, as a country, have played in such a long time in a major tournament and Southgate set us up to do that. Rory is clearly clueless, everything he says sort of angers me as if he’s never actually watched England play this tournament. “Southgate can’t actually do it” - Name another England manager who’s gone what he’s done. He is the most successful England manager of all time and I find it completely insulting that people like Rory and Mark Goldbridge talk about him like this
I agree with everything have said here Rory. Southgate might "changed the culture" but that's no good if we still can't win against top sides. Out in the quarters cos that's as good as we are.
Southgate in. He’s took players far past what we ever thought these past few years. The players respond well and he’s been a togetherness within that squad. It comes down to Barry lane missing a penalty. Performance was world class against the world champions. He deserves more time
This squad will age over time. Southgate has already wasted 2 world cups and a euro. This team should have won a trophy by now but have nothing to show. Keeping Southgate is just asking for more failure, the guy had three shots and failed them all. Continuing with this Southgate in mentality will only achieve failure.
Ur soo deluded get out or here bruv behave man can't u clearly see what happened in euros finals n semi finals world cup and yesterday night jog on blud
It was his fault we lost the euro's, took recognised penalty takers off in the last few minutes when it was obvious it was going to be a shoot out, he should have been sacked for that alone. Togetherness, no the manager needs to be a leader not a yes man. Italy were there for the taking, France were there for the taking.
Southgate in or out?
Out
In, penalties have cost us each time and that’s not his fault
In, for sure. Robbed last night. France score a wonder goal from nothing. We had control for most of the game. Southgate the hero!
IN 100%
Southgate Out 100%
“Talented array of talent” - Rory Jennings 2022
what's wrong with that ? the array is talented, and the talents within that array are talented ! What's wrong with that ?
@@ryuuzSd Because the talented array of talent is already talented. To say the talented is an array of talent is to say the talented array of talented talent is talented, when they are simply an array of talent.
Words to live by
no hes saying the talent we have, is very good talent
Rory is the classic example of a guy that tries too hard to sound smart and high class and just ends up saying gibberish and sounding like a moron😂
Well we all knew this was coming...
ahahhahahaha yep
A Chelsea fan wanting a sacking. What's new 🤣 typical big 6 fan
@@joelpedder6677 🤣
Dude
This ain't the best group of players we've ever had. Bobby Charlton etc would very much beg to differ.
Dont waste a golden generation under Southgate like Belgium have done under Martinez.
Agree! Martinez was awful
True
England’s golden generation was already wasted in the mid 00’s
After the match I thought about this. I'm 'alright' with us going out to the holders and playing well in the process. However, if we do a Belgium and waste this crop of players it will feel so hollow.
Even Martinez did a better job than Southgate
Southgate gets loads of credit for changing the culture within the England squad. I am wondering whether this is simply a reflection of the changes within football culture in general through this period. For example, Liverpool and Man City have been the dominant teams during Southgate's tenure, but you can see a mutual respect between the players, and little in the way of antipathy.
Wow what a comment 💯 agree
That's entirely subbjective.we cannot prove he's done anything in thhat respect. We can prove that he doesn''t have the confidence to taake calculated Offensive tactical risks, when our best players are aall attacking players and we have an average defence
100% spot on. Football rivalries have become less emotional and vitriolic among players. The closest it’s come is after the Man City v Liverpool game when Sterling grabbed Gomez by the throat during England training (which in itself was a moment of total madness because Joe Gomez is one of the most chill people on the planet).
Southgate aside; a lot of these players would still be mates off the pitch. Despite the consistent title challenges, Van Dijk and KDB are on very good terms off the pitch and that owes nothing to Southgate; just modern football. There isn’t really a modern equivalent to Keane v Viera bitter rivalry🤷🏼♀️
Glad someone else sees it
Lol that "culture" means absolutely nothing!! The Spanish had RM/Barca players that punched, kicked and scratched each other during El Classico that came together to win trophies between '08 - '16. I never see that animosity amongst the English players at club level so that "mutual respect" doesn't win anything for England!
As an Irishman, a large part of me hopes Southgate stays on as England manager. But jokes aside, Rory’s right, this England team deserves a better coach.
@Moon Shine I understand although Spain and Germany are not close to England level
As an Irishman you should be outraged that Grealish wasn't being used mate.
@@kentvanhoeven3946 Why? Not to speak on behalf of the Irish people but I imagine most are not fans of utter snakes like Grealish and Rice.
@@saltedgerman OK I see that point. It's a shame a player of his talent isn't being used. I'm not an Irishman but I have the blood, but either way it annoys me as a fan of football.
@@kentvanhoeven3946 I'm not the biggest fan of Grealish but he's definitely a guy that can make things happen even if it's mainly winning set plays. I'd put him ahead of Sterling in the pecking order for sure.
What a delectable medley of kneejerking splendour.
To me (I’m german) it looks like England has one massive problem an that’s their history of failures. I think every English football fan as well as every player knows that it’s been decades since you last won anything. And with every year and every knock out this understanding of yourself as “the nation that can’t win” gets bigger in the back of the head of every english fan and player. Of course the players are motivated and convinced they can win these game and I believe even the tournaments. But the big difference to (for example) France is, they know they can win. And even if things aren’t going there way as the game last night, when England put them under a lot of pressure, they know “we will find a way to win”. And to me it looked like the English players (especially after the second goal for France) they were thinking “this can’t happen to us again. Why always us?“ That’s why I think (and again that’s only the impression I get from outside England) I think you need a new manager, who’s got a history of winning. Southgate did a decent job managing this team this World Cup. But the difference to France is, they had the Captain of their first World Cup winning team as a coach. You have someone who (with all due respect) is known for his failure in the biggest moment of hie career as a player. I think you need someone who brings that winning mentality and that’s not Southgate. Nevertheless it was a great game and it would have deserved to be the final of the World Cup.
100% AGREE
Agree but who. There’s literally no one that’s been a proven international coach that they could even get to replace him.
@@ig2257 since we (Germany) stick with Hansi Flick🙄 Thomas Tuchel might be a good fit. He’s familiar with many players and the Premier League. And he showed that he can handle big names like Neymar or Mbappe. Furthermore he won the Championships League in less than 8 months at Chelsea. Considering that it’s only 18 Months until the Euros you need someone who has a quick impact.
Sack the bastard
@@ludwigdeichmann2661 France is out next round left back shit center back worse than Harry Maguire and goalie shit against a team who doesn't let in goals it over
Southgate has done well in 1 element vibes, he's definitely broken the club walls down, but anyone who watches football knows that group of players, not just the first 11 the squad is insane. We need a tactical head, definitely keep the togetherness and all that this generation is different club allegiances don't matter anymore. Dont waste this generation.
No they're not insane. You're insane for thinking they're anything better than quarter finalists.
has he broken down club walls or is todays generation of footballers a bunch of whiny fame obsessed jokers
@@Swwattera lot of them are premier league winners champions league winners/finalists, top goal scorers etc guessing you only watch football when it’s international.
@@kenadams2833 prem players are not that good i think the prem marketing has gone to you guys heads the french team had 0 prem players playing the italian team had 1 the croatian team had 1 the prem is all about speed whilst other leagues are more tactical and technical you cant win outside england if all u can do is run run run its even evident in ucl prem has never dominated any decade and hasnt gone back to back in ucl or europa since 1982 literally last year not one prem team won any tournament that involved other leagues
@@DopeBoyFaze prem players are not that good? 😂😂😂 best league in the world currently dominating the champions league in recent times every year there’s more prem teams left, Chelsea and liverpool champions man city favourites this year.
"The Most Talented Array of Talent"- Rory 'Wordsmith' Jennings.
It's actually pretty difficult to disagree with anything Rorys saying tbh, and he's absolutely right that nobodys talking about the relegation and how significant that is, however insignificant the tournament may be.
Before them nations league games everybody was saying how pointless they were because the season was over. Don't try rewriting the truth to fit your agenda
@@joelpedder6677 I literally said "However insignificant the tournament may be" and the england team and southgate said they would take it seriously - dont try rewriting the truth to fit your agenda.
@@Alex-lc7v I apologise my brain didn't even read the "how significant" part 🤣 i reckon he should step down but we gotta remember how shit it was before Southgate
@@joelpedder6677 no problem it happens :) It was shit before Southgate but everything was shit. The individuals weren't performing whatsoever, the media was constantly hounding everyone, the team chemistry wasn't great, absolutely nothing clicked.
All of that is fixed now. The players show immense talent, almost the entire country is backing them, all the loudest voices in media were backing them, all the social media vids and interviews and behind the scenes showed all the players clicking like a group of a best mates. There is a single thing out of place in the England picture, and it is the inexperienced FA yes-man, Gareth Southgate. I reckon credit should be given to him for making a lot of the above happen, but he is simply not the man for the final job. Also we really have to highlight the damage he's done to the young lads by putting them on penalties without a touch on the ball. In 2021 he made them believe they're the ones to break Englands curse and you can see it on their faces that they believe they're cursed now. But they will go again, I just hope they do it under an experienced manager and frankly a better psychology team.
@MetzIII The only argument you've presented is that they're world champions. Empirically that means absolutely nothing, not to mention that they're without some of their key players. On paper the England squads talent is arguably either very similar or better in every single position bar Mbappe (who was utterly muted on the day, although Griezmann picked up the slack - note: this was a superior managerial decision too). The only glaring difference in quality is in the technical area.
i thought he played a delectable medley of splendour football
footballing splendour*
We move the ball far too slow
@@SteveTidz but we had no runners, we had france on the ropes. I'd rather play like that and lose than go to pens via parking the bus.
That’s great and all, but he’s lost 3 cup competitions, semis, finals and quarters.
In international football there’s a 2 year wait for another euros and 4 year wait for another World Cup, so let’s not act like he’s building on and getting momentum because that’s not possible it’s not like league football where Liverpool fail to win the league but then win a cup or 2 and then next season back the manager again and keep doing this to build consistent success, Southgate doesn’t have the luxury of a potential 4 trophies every year.
So yeah he’s got to go. It’s just not good enough
The inevitable video we all waited for 😂
It’s just a shame to see this group of players wasted. I don’t see how we’ll win a thing under Southgate.
Exactly. 2 WC and 1 Euro wasted. Not saying we would've won it all but with a good coach we could've won atleast 1 trophy by now. But instead idiots are arguing about Southgate in when he should've been sacked after the Euro's.
@@Guney1886 Yh because Capello was great wasn’t he 😂
@@arun6641 capello had a bunch of players who hated each other didn’t want to even play for the shirt and there only thought was premier league football. This team is a lot different and they’re been wasted on a nothing manager.
@@kenadams2833 Yh and that all changed precisely when Southgate got the job. Maybe he isn’t the man to win a tournament but to say we have ‘wasted’ 3 tournaments on Southgate when we had a midfield of Dele Alli, Jesse Lingard (who are not even midfielders) and Henderson against Modric, Brozovic and Rakitic in one of them is nonsensical.
The fa should just go for broke and get guardiola 😸
He'd be a class Spurs manager
Ahhhhhhh
This comment is the winner 🏆
Totally agree. Right squad, wrong manager. In the right hands this exceptional current generation of players has a real chance to end all the years of hurt.
Would be nice if people offered an alternative instead of just making demands that the manager should go
No it absolutely doesn't. There are 2 teams better than us and always will be. Not a chance in hell this team wins anything
@@mustard832 Exactly people can't say we should have a better manager & then have no alternative to offer.
@Moon Shine I'm right. We've won one tournament since they began in 1930, we're a failing nation and always will be
@@mustard832 you would benefit from hiring someone like walid regrogui or mauricio pochettino
Once England win its "Southgate is a masterclass" then once one game is lost or drawn its "Southgate out"? What's going on here?
But like Rory said. Beating wales, Iran, Tunisia etc is hardly masterclasses. As he cant beat the elite/better teams in Italy, Croatia and now France.
@@zinedinezidane4771 they out played France last night and if the ref was so shit probably would have won it, people have short memory perhaps but before Southgate England didn't get out of the group in 2014 and got knocked out by Iceland in 2016
@@user-gp6cc8jj6d but we lost. Who cares if they outplayed the opposition seriously? And they didn't out play France. France sit back for a reason and have done for years under Deschamps.
@@zinedinezidane4771 I agree that France outplayed us in the first half, but we did have them on the ropes in the second half and the game was ours to win. We lost the game through not taking our chances and Southgate not knowing how to make tactical subs.
@@as680783 but we lost. Isnt that the end of conversation?
Unfortunately, Gareth has taken us as far as he can. Nice man. However, against big teams e.g Italy (twice) and France, we have no plan B, strategy or have the mindset to kill the game off.
Tuchel and Poch want the job, let's go get either
Take Tuchel !
What’s poch gonna do? Put the pressure on? Man managed to not win the French league with PSG :’)
You cant have have a German coach the English national team. No Gernan coaches and no French coaches, anybody but them.
@@Dani-kq6qq This is nonsense. Tuchel and Poch both live in England and they can speak the language fluently - why should their nationalities disqualify them?
@@imouto4hire Poch can coach the team, he is Argentinian. But not German and French coaches. This is because France and Germany are England's arch-rivals in everything.
James Maddison didn't even get one minute in the World Cup - ridiculous
Feels like your heart has been carved out when you realise that morocco is in the semi final this one was definitely the most painful
You're right m8 Morocco changed their manager just before the world cup sacking the previous manager that got them to the world cup qualification in the 1st place , England should have done the same giving the only thing that England is missing is a decent manger .
We would've lost to Morocco tbh.
Morocco would've slapped England. Stop underestimating them
Morocco are slapping France...
Morocco would of destroyed this England team
I find that English fans are mostly the ones who are ok with Southgate staying. Imho seeing this all from a neutral’s perspective, England really should be winning this tournament. The team is INSANEEE. At the very least they should be in the final. I literally don’t see a flaw in this squad. Maybe the center backs are not quick but they are still playing well and haven’t seen much error from them this tournament. Euros 2024 should be in the bag imo and if it’s not then this looks like it’s gonna be another golden generation wasted.
The best England team in 30 years from a neutral's perspective in my oppinion, with the mediocre mentallity fans 😂😂
yeah but there are other unreal teams e.g. france who have a better team
You don't see a flaw lmaoooooo. Full backs are all average atm. No good CBs. GKs are midtable quality at best. Henderson and Mount are 2 of the best CM options. No STs close to Kane's ability. Moron
@@yourmum955how are trent, walker, Trippier, and Reece James “average”
I agree. England should've beaten France & won the tournament but knockout football doesn't work like that otherwise there would be no point in having it if we all knew who would win all the time.
But I don't blame Southgate for the defeat I think he's done everything right. It was probably more Deschamps having a masterstroke than Southgate getting it wrong imo.
He just needs 4 or 5 more tournaments. You smashed the footballing giants of Senegal, Wales and Iran. France may have been riddled with injuries and you may have scored one goal off a penalty but I really think he can bring it home in a couple of decades.
Unironically this is the mindset of the people who want Southgate to stay. 😂
Funny thing is, England fans actually believe the first part of that comment. They get easy brackets and go to finals and semi finals but fall flat at the first strong opposition. Then they want to sack said manager that brought them that far.
"The most talented array of talent the world has seen in one place" - c'mon Rory, that is just over the top
As a whole, like every position, I do think we have the strongest team
That's why Rory will never be taken seriously with comments like that. He's given to hyperbole on occasion. Actually a lot. Brazil had more talented players as well as the French. We were competitive though.
The rest of the world dont rate England as much our media and some of our fans do. Overhyped, overrated and not a big side in international football look at our losses since 66:
🇧🇷 🇩🇪- 1970, DNQ - 1974 & 1978
1982 couldnt beat Germany or Spain
1986 - 🇦🇷 1990 - 🇩🇪 1994 - DNQ
1998 - 🇦🇷 2002 - 🇧🇷 2006 - 🇵🇹
2010 - 🇩🇪 2014 - 🇮🇹 🇺🇾 2018 - 🇧🇪 🇭🇷
2022 - 🇫🇷
but but its all Southgates fault 0_0
Exactly, look at the richarlison goal against switzerland and mbappe hat-trick in the final, the quality of those goals under the extreme pressure they were under, when's the last time you saw ANY player in an England shirt display that feat of footballing quality? Never.
I’m not sure if the right answer is to remove him purely because I don’t know who is on the market that would be an upgrade.
My only issue with him is he is way too late with substitutions, doesn’t give players a chance to come on and make an impact, give the opposition something new to think about.
It’s a real issues he needs to rectify.
I agree with you
This is what is always missing with the Southgate Out Brigade, a credible alternative.
Question for u then would SouthGate get a job in the prem? If the answer is no than there's definitely options
@@Wavy612 yes he would. Everton, southampton, are all jobs that he’s perfectly qualified for. What on earth has Frank lampard done that shows he’s capable of managing Everton? If Steve Bruce can regularly get a stint in the prem then Southgate is perfectly capable
@@Wavy612 would the Morocco or Japan manager get a top job in the prem no ... Lvg Dutch manager had the man u job..... What's your point?
More of a chance of hearing this waffle than Kane missing the peno!!
I’ll have to disagree with you. France have a much better squad than England. They just don’t overrate their players.
Belgium under Roberto Martinez beat Top 10 ranked nations (8) times during a 6 year spell.
England under Gareth Southgate beat Top 10 ranked nations (4) times during a 6 year spell.
6 years across 3 tournaments, WC, Euro's and Nations League.
If you're being outdone by Martinez, then you're just not good enough
4 times? and none at a major tournament. I can't recall a single Southgate victory over a top nation at a tournament, whereas Martinez' Belgium beat Brazil , Portugal and us twice.
@@scaredmuffin6371 I included the nations league but that of course doesn't scream "bragging rights"
World beater when half your team is foreign.
French here and i felt i could breath when i saw England did not push harder after the pk equalizer. And felt like France won the game when Saka was out and with Kane missing the 2nd pk. Even Rashford’s last kick was no threat. All stars were already line-up for France victory. Poor decision making from Southgate at the most important moments of the game.
Southgate reminds me of Domenech (not that they’re even, don’t get me wrong). Domenech was a poor manager and keeping him after 2006 was a mistake. And France did learn. Even Blanc got sacked in 2012. Deschamps could have been sacked in 2014 but our federation kept him because 2016 was only Euro. If Deschamps failed 2018 he would have been sacked. And even today Deschamps can be sacked any time. We have Zidane pressuring him to win. Zidane said he wants to take the French team and is only waiting for a mistake from Ladesch.
England 🏴 must not be afraid to sack their manager. That’s what a nation angry for cups need.
Fair play and good luck for the rest of the tournament.
What a breath of fresh air from Twitter these comments are fuck me, well done France, I do hope you go back to back. GL
@@kaidiya2403 Twitter is the most toxic social media platform. I avoid it most of the time.
Excellent comment, you’ve summarised England’s problems perfectly
The fact that France got to the World Cup final under Domenech shows how great of a player Zidane was. They were in trouble of not making the tournament before convincing Zidane to come out of international retirement and not only does he lead France to the World Cup but to the Final. That's why Zidane is my GOAT
England should change half of their fans, half of their pundits, and most of their newspapers editors before changing the manager... They are the real reason for this karma 😅
As Middlesbrough boss in his first two years of management he finished 12th and then 13th in the Premier League before being relegated (with a seriously depleted squad because of financial troubles at the club) in his third year.
South Gate wouldn't get a job in the prem but somehow will lead England to a trophy lmao. Think about that
@@Wavy612 we lost a pen shootout n got beat 2-1 by the world champions..
Tell me at least 3 premier league teams that he makes better right now? England now have a team that can compete with France Brazil Argentina etc. infact in my opinion the only 2 teams that are on par player for player are Brazil and France.
@@proudtobeageordie9490 you guys said that after Italy😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 how long will u keep saying actually since Brazil In 2002🤣🤣
@@kenadams2833 club football and international football are completely different tho. I don’t think England will win with Southgate but who would they even get to replace him that actually would get them to win.
'EnGlaNd SqUaD Is BeTtEr'
Yeah, definitely, Rice who played his whole career at West Ham is superior to Tchouaméni who's already apilaster of Real Madrid, Foden is superio to Mbappé who has already over 200 goals (scored 9 in WC), 100 assists, carried PSG for years and world champion at 23,...
Time for a change.. probably the best England team on paper managed by a low end championships manager 👍
Any manager we bring in will be shite too at club level
luckily international management and club management are nothing alike then.
Rory.. How would of Ivan Toney handled them pens?
Spot on Rory. Southgate has given us a good foundation to go forward and brought some positivity around England but if we want to beat big teams he has to go.
And who would you get? Because Poch or Tuchel aren't getting it. Should we give these players to Sean Dyche? What about Alan Pardew? Maybe Roy Hodgson can have another go
And who you think going to take this poisonous job with enormous pressure and expectations?
@@jamesgunn7 Well they have to find someone because we can’t keep doing the exact same thing against big/good teams and losing in the exact same fashion each time. Unless your fine with that but know that we will never win.
@@jamesgunn7 Sean dyche probably would do a better job. He’s smarter than you think. he only played such negative football because he had to do so to survive.
Who on earth is out there to replace him?
Nothing more Rory than a video like this. Maybe bring in his guy Tuchel to coach England. My only gripe with Southgate yesterday was Sterling coming on first after he’s been back in England this week dealing with some family stuff. GS even said he wasn’t super fit after the long plane rides
Where was trent, they needed him when they was chasing second goal
To be fair though name a properly good team we have beaten in a major tournament under Southgate?
@@fantasypgatour I’m not pro Southgate. I assume he’s gonna go. I just think a lot of people overestimate the top end attacking talent of England. Maybe I’m wrong and they’ll be scoring 4+ a game with someone else. I just think in any sport the players win and lose you games more than a coach does
@@IgnorantWeed fair. At right back tho? Not sure he was going to be out there guarding mbappe over Walker
Ok well if we can't point to a properly good team that Southgate has beaten in a major tournament everything else is irrelevant to me.
"We have some of the best talent this world has ever seen" yeah it shows right enough. Deluded beyond comprehension.
Most successful manager you’ve ever had.
too many of our fans are like Rory. They think World Cups are won like you'd win the Premier League. They are fickle, short-sighted, deluded.
As a Arsenal fan and for someone that lives in USA wenger would be a better option if he up for it. But it drives me crazy how much you Guys take ur mangers for granted. As a American who’s team is also full of potential we have to deal with berhalter. As much as southgate seems clueless I can tell you berhalter is even more clueless dude is only a mls manager. All being said a hope both our country find a good manager that the players can develop with.
Weirdly after last night i’m southgate in. Tactically I thought we set up very well and dominated the world champions, the shocking refereeing and Kane’s pen let us down last night, not Gareth
Bro you only scored by a pen, and missed one. All of your attacks were toothless, all slow shots, too easy for Lloris. But every France attack had something to it. Giroud almost scored a minute before he scored. Dembele almost scored and so on. Apart from penalties there is only one chance that was good for England. The possesion means nothing if you don't use it
@@lexluthor1642 absolutely agree I think he has to go and not because he’s terrible but he’s set us up well but doesn’t have that final little bit that will get us from the quart/semi/final to a win toothless was a great way of describing it we were good in places but attacking was a weakness now we need someone who will develop our attacking side better
@@lexluthor1642 Tchouameni’s goal should never have stood, the foul on Saka we shouldve had a free kick instead and you wouldn’t have gone up. Also when Kane got taken out in the box and no pen was given was embarrassing, if England go 1-0 up that early the game’s a different story
@@carlmcgrath484 bruv we created no clear chances France had 3-5 Clear chances and they were shit we don’t do anything with the ball to make a goal the 2nd pen given was a stupid mistake by Hernandez the ball put in was shit and he made a mistake the subs made were a joke idk how u can think Southgate is winning anything
England got lucky they played a depleted France team cause had England play against a full fit team, the score line would've been worse.
The real failures for me is the generation of English players that the FA identified as the ones that will win the 2022 World Cup. The likes of Lingard, Barkley, Ruben Loftus Cheek, Dele Alli, Hudson-Odoi etc. all failed to develop which is we had to rely on a bunch of 19-24 year olds not yet at their prime
Oh yeah I remember that , wasn't that a graphic showing the future 2022 England squad showing those players
The only ones that I would say went on to develop are Sterling (even that's a maybe), Rice, Stones, Pickford, and Reece James.
Great video, Rory.
Gareth essentially gave up when he hauled off England’s best player in Saka .
Should’ve substituted Henderson for Grealish and move Foden more centrally imo
Cowardly and unforgivable
Out , he should have been sacked after the Italy game.
I like Southgate how can you not? And he's given us more hope than I've seen in my life. But so he should with that team, he's just not the man. We've gotten lucky with our match ups tbh. Thank you Southgate but it's time man.
If you think England squad is better than France squad it doesn't mean rest of the world think the same or it is true.
Grealish being brought on with only 3 mins left. WTF!?! Trent A Arnold’s crossing ability is why he was needed.
stupid that was,
France would have trashed England if TAA played. Just imagine him attempting to guard Mbappe.
@@JC-to5by no need to play him as RB just as midfielder would do the job.
Arnold wouldve been a jojo for dembele and mbappe to play with. He shouldnt even be on the bench. You liverpoolfans need to take your head out of you a$$ and accept he is medicore at best
@@hypello9534 kane fucking shit to defend him rashford shit defend him
"the England squad is better than the France squad" and therein lies the root of English football's problems for the past 50 years. You are not even in the same ballpark as France
Can’t underestimate the amount of good Southgate has done it terms of installing a sprit and togetherness. I feel that’s a good legacy to leave now in itself but it is time to find an attack minded manager. Playing 3cdm when there’s so much creativity and talent on the bench is a red flag
who dat then? Please enlighten me?
@@kwanman5146 grelish Trent rashford Maddison Sterling
Harsh to say England lack creativity; we came up with a brand new way to lose on penalties!
Only positive I can give is that I was impressed that Gareth went with the same team and very much wanted to dominate the ball. That being said, his in game management is once again rightfully questioned. Game was screaming out for more dynamic changes earlier and instead he made the substitution he was probably gonna make whether England were winning, losing or drawing the game. No doubt he's created a better dressing room culture and found a way to get the best out of SOME players, but other than that, he's shown nothing to make anyone believe he's a great coach/tactician. Bin him off. Eddie Howe come on down. I honestly believe that Newcastle are just hoping to get Europe, so then they can attract an elite manager to the project, similar to what City did with Hughes. So hopefully that happens and he's able to be gotten. If not, swallow this English bias pride and let's go get a Tuchel. Yes, he German, but he's also proven himself to be a great tactician and a solid man manager. And also knows how to win big games and regularly get to finals.
Wouldn’t feel right imo. Even if we did win a major tournament the it would forever be tainted. We’d be taunted with “ well you only won because of a foreign coach”. It needs to be Howe or Potter and nobody else. Otherwise we just stick with Southgate and settle for mediocrity and an empty trophy cabinet
@@oracle8589 if Newcastle finish in UEL/UCL places, I think Newcastle sack him and get a BIG name coach. Similar to what happened with Hughes at City.
I think Potter gets a full season and depending on where they finish, he's gonna be on a tightrope season 2.
So if the FA wanna wait it out, I got no problem with that, but just mentioning Tuchel because he's available today
@@oracle8589 Greeks won Euro 2004 with a German coach. Did you ever hear anyone give them grief over it ?
@@JC-to5byGermany are the old enemy! As sad as it is to say, if England won a tournament with a German coach we would be laughed at forever more, England attracts the hate of the world, rival fans wouldn't let us live it down, every other comment would be Germany this, German that. Anything but a German in the job will do fine.
You're hoping England get someone used a stepping stone in a larger project? Pathetic
bobby robson overcame the might of paraguay, belgium (outplayed us on the night) and cameroon. Sven had to face brazil in the qf cos he couldn't beat sweden or nigeria, capello couldn't overcome Algeria or usa and got smoked by Germany's u21 side. Who are we to say we should be strolling through tournament football consistently? Whilst Southgate has a talented squad, all the other managers i mentioned had talented squads as well.
He took off saka for sterling when sterling was barely in training because he came back to the uk. I just knew he would play sterling he has his favourites unfortunately and he needs to go he’s had enough chances
That is my argument also, how can a man known for that missed penalty & relegating Middlesbrough be the England manager. It is insanity.
You're right Rory we gotta sack him. England has such depth and quality in their squad yet they haven't won anything. I just hope British public will appreciate their efforts but also not overhype their performance. We have to have a killer instinct if England is to win any major tournament , have to set an example here and escape a mindset of mediocrity that prevails within the wider British public!
We've never had a killer instinct bar 1966 and never will
you realise there's only 1 tournament every 2 years and only one country takes anything home, right? it's not club management where you have 5 trophies you can win every year. Stop being fickle
@@sirprintalot See this is what I'm telling you as a non British I can see clearly where this squad is headed. I don't have any bias to Southgate. He's just not good enough , he won't get a job in the premier league. I love this team and seeing them lose hurts. It has nothing to do with being 'fickle'. We have already given him 6 years and he hasn't delivered. He needs to move on now! Winners don't make excuses , they just win. I just hope people realize this and see what right or wrong for the national team.
A France team without *Benzema, Kanté, Nkunku, Pogba, Kimpembe and Lucas Hernandez...* that's like losing to an England team that doesn't have Harry Kane, Declan Rice, Foden, Mount, Maguire and Shaw.
Kante is washed pogba is a bum giroud is more of a threat than benz in that French team
100% agree with all of your points Rory got it spot on! Time to find a new gaffa
England will never win anything under Southgate 🙄.The truth hurts. This was a France side without Benzema and Pogba and they beat England.🤔🤔
”Englands squad better than France squad”. I don’t like the frenchies but what the F have you smoked dude?😂😭
Especially considering the britts lost against the french "B" team.
I've been saying it for years. Yet the narrative will be spun of 'He got to the final and Semi final.' But yet big whoop? Look who he beat to get there. There isn't a single big team that he properly beat. Not even Germany, as it's shown that Germany side is in massive decline. Any time we come up against some of real class, who know what they're doing. We get beat. It's happened at the past three tourneys now. Yet people can't wake up and smell the bacon.
It's not just that too. His choice in the matter are truly shocking. People talk about Saka, and yes that's agreeable. But look at Kane too. Kane had arguably his WORST tourney, yet besides when we were destroying Iran, so he had the freedom of the land to remove him, he NEVER takes him off! You've got someone like Wilson, sat on the bench, whom has SHOWN he links really well, and offers a lot. Yet, will NEVER bring him on, and posits with sticking with something that isn't working. If he was in a PL job, he would've been sacked a while ago. I'll be surprised if he even is now. Deserves to be gone.
I think it’s unfair for Rory to criticise Southgate like this after last nights performance. There’s arguments for the timing of the changes last night but I think it all came down to luck in the end.
So for you we played well yesterday? Come on dude
@@kluivertbiggie3544 yeah we went toe to toe with france gotta respect it
No, it did not just come down to luck. We failed to be proactive after finding the equaliser. The depth of our bench was our biggest advantage over France, and Southgate failed to utilise it.
This ain't the best group of players we've ever had. Bobby Charlton etc would very much beg to differ.
I'm a neutral as I'm from New Zealand and we didn't even qualify but I think unless England can get a top manager I think it might be best to keep Southgate I don't see England getting worse in big tournaments; if Kane converted that penalty I'm pretty confident that England would of gone on to win as France don't have the same talent off the bench for extra time.
The England squad is only going to get better as they have a core of 6-7 big talents that will enter their primes in the next 4-8 years, and I personally think most their development will be done on the club side with the now abudence of top managers in the premier league; so within the England setup I think having a good man manager to keep all the star egos happy will be just as important as good tactics.
If me aunt had balls she'd be me uncle. Stupid point
Southgate can stay in the set up (as a counselor or something) and then get a winning manager in.
France and Spain have equally impressive young squads with France being nailed on for the next decade. So we need a manager that can even the score for us and make the most of our attacking talent.
@@davidcjupp Our overrated attacking talent
When you factor in france are missing Benzema, pogba, kante, coman, nkuku, kimpembe and maignan 😂
Regardless if you think Southgate has done a good job or not. 3 major tournaments is enough, it’s time for somebody else to have a go.
This 👏
“Gareth Southgate is a LOSER”
I love Rory 😂
As an American I feel we are in a similar managerial situation. Most of the time the team wins despite the manager.
Berhalter "I like Southgate." I feel bad for you 😢
Berhalter is worse though. The guy has a beef with our most talented player and is making it public. And the USSF has the audactity to consider bringing him back for more of this mediocrity
Southgate stole the passions of the players full of talents. He must go now.
I love seeing Rory all salty like this ngl 😂
Stat: Southgate has a 16.7% win rate against top 10 FIFA ranked teams during his tenure. 4 wins from 24 games…What does this tell you? He might be a great player-manager but tactically, well…the result speaks for itself…
Harry Kane barley getting any of the blame is mind blowing to me seeing what happened a year ago at the euros
A scrumptious medley of oratory tapestry
A delectable medley of footballing splendor...did not come to fruition for such an English squad. Again.
"One of the most talented array of talent that the world has ever seen"
Classic English hubris, you're not even close to that. You keep overrating yourselves which is why you are always the only one who are surprised when you don't win anything.
I get the Trent argument and that he is deff being wasted on the bench, but surely Rory u cant think that Trent would have been a better RB against Mbappe than Kyle Walker is? Are we forgetting what Vini did to him in the UCL final? Yes Trent is prob the worlds best RB but no1 has a better chance of stopping Kylian Mbappe than Kyle Walker does... Other games yes, but this time i no. Rest of the video is spot on tho man totally agree with u!
A rate trent highly but he's to overrated as a rb the guy is crap at defending
Last 10 minutes, you need venom in your crosses into the box Trent is your man.
Would've been better of going back 5. That way Walker can still man mark Mbappe and England would have been able to have a wide attacking outlet in Trent, instead of constantly playing inside
@@proudtobeageordie9490 put him instead of mount for Henderson cross to kane or whoever
@@proudtobeageordie9490 yeah but 2-1 down in the last 10 minutes who cares about defending
Saying both Italian and French managers got one over Southgate, when both games were decided on pens is an awful take… Eng far the better side against France and Kane scoring the pen could have seen a different result… Also to mention to Trent, Grealish being on the bench, when every England fan said walker was the only player who was able to stop mbappe and grealish over Saka or foden, not many fans would say that should happen
I feel like I have to keep reminding myself that the special thing about this squad is the players and the players alone, because the media puts such a positive spotlight on Southgate, seems like a lovely guy… but it’s just not enough mate
Name any alternative then
Rory’s World Cup :
It’s Coming Home - vs Iran
Sack Southgate vs USA
It’s Coming Home vs Wales & Senegal
Sack Southgate vs France
I think he’s using this defeat as an excuse to get southgate out. He wasn’t saying we were the better team before the game but because we were so dominant and had an unfortunate loss it’s easy to aim at southgate.
Great point.
It wasn't unfortunate. After we equalised, we went back to Southgate ball. We stopped battering them and allowed them back into the game.
@@SirMonkeySuit Yeah but you can’t expect to batter them for the whole 90 minutes. That’s not how football works. You can’t blame Southgate for that.
@@r4h4al it's not about battering them for 90 minutes. It is about keeping on top of them while we are in the ascendency.
We were all over them after they scored and as soon as we equalised, we backed off. Same thing happened when we went 1-0 up against Italy and the same outcome happened. We can't keep making this same mistake every tournament.
@@SirMonkeySuit True. That would be an argument for Southgate to go but nobody is offering up an alternative so if there's no alternative then by default he has to stay.
Also you're being harsh on Southgate anyway. Again a team can't be in the ascendancy for the whole 90 minutes.
But I agree that the period between 1-1 & 2-1 we should've been in the ascendancy.
He coached a winning performance against the current champions of the world. That match, albeit a few strange subs, wasn't his fault. The fine margins define success in management but we are watching football miles better than any of the last 10 managers for England. Would be silly to sack him now
The only reason is was fine margins is because Hernandez was an idiot and had a bad game the ball played in was clearly going out and usually a defender would leave it and we would of lost we created no chances our only chances came from penalties we don’t create enough while France not playing well had 3-5 clear chances Southgate is a shit manager
The strange subs are consistent tho that’s why people want him out because he consistently makes weird decisions in the most important games
There is clear improvements, i thought he was a bit luck in 2018, but the team has been much better in the last 2 tournaments and Capello was an "elite" coach, how did that work out...
"Winning performance"? England lost, that is a losing performance.
No he didn't, he didn't know what to do as usual when behind to a top team.
5 subs allowed he bought on his first on 78 minutes
This guy is somehow a bigger clown than Southgate
"We are better than France". France 2-1 England
We have to recognise that Southgate's in-game management and use of substitutes is consistently poor in the big games. His pragmatism is good in group stages and against lesser opposition - and he's built a good squad vibe - but he just doesn't affect the big games. The top coaches know how to make that one in-game decision that affects the game, swings tight games, gets a goal, etc. Southgate just doesn't do this. He had France on the ropes for the taking at 60 minutes then took of our main threat (Saka) then resorted back to his out of form favourites (Sterling and Mount). Bizarrely, Sterling hadn't trained all week either. He brings on Rashford and Grealish far to late to affect the game - then leaves the top assist-maker and best goal-scoring number 10 (TAA and Maddison) on the bench. When we need that one killer pass - or free-kick even - we didn't have the top players on the pitch. His insistence on Maguire ended up costing England too - as he was done on Giroud's winner as well as the Iran goals. Nice guy but we just won't get over the line with Southgate - and failed ex-England pros need to stop protecting him just because they lost under better managers. A better manager makes that one tactical decision to affect the game - which Southgate never does. Once again a tournament opens up for us and we go out against the first decent team. Look what Morocco have done with a lesser team but better management.
I don't think he likes Maddison on a personal level. He didn't even get 10 minutes against wales.
Sterling coming on was just unbelievable.
Can you do a video of how England could line up in the next competition? One of the reasons I was disappointed is because we may not have the likes of; Kane, Walker, Henderson, Sterling, Stones and Maguire. I think we'll be fine everywhere else but kane being mid 30's is the one that hurts the most. I imagine TAA will improve and probably be the first choice right back. May see the likes of Cole Palmer, Harvey Elliot and Anthony Gordon?
Kane will be 32 at the next world cup, coming up to his 33rd birthday... this isn't his last dance or anything 😂
Don't forget Reece James, literally one of the best right backs in the world at the moment. He will be entering his prime when Euro 2024 comes around - he could be a game changer for us.
Kane doesn't even provide most of the goals anymore because he drops deep, and that's something players like Foden and Palmer can do.
@@jacklane3679 Kane wil actually only be 30 going on 31 for the next Euros lol
@@siyuanhuo7301 Kane dropping deep creates the goals we score
Slight exaggeration about the level of talent on this squad
This is not just a golden generation, this is a platinum generation.
The Saka sub for Sterling epitomised Southgate.
I'm on the fence really. England are now a team with no club barriers, that pass out the back and beat Germany in a knockout game on the way to a major final and just outplayed the current world champions and got a bit unlucky on the night
couldn't agree more - he's wasting our most talented squad ever
We have a average group of players saying the France squad is worse than our squad stinks of premier league bias ..
Yes, England players have been talked and hyped up in the past mate, but this crop of players is the best we've seen for a generation. The technical ability is levels higher than previous England players, and the depth of the squad is huge compared to any England team from the last 40+ years.
England fans think they are Brazil, just like Spain fans. While they have one of the most talented squads in the world HISTORY and PEDIGREE, as Rory would say, also play a part in this. When push comes to shove you just have to accept that you’re not THAT guy.
I also put blame on Kane. He truly bottled that pen. I couldn't believe my eyes when he hit that one in row z.
Ah yes blame Kane only. Moron
I think it's time for Southgate to go. England have some outrageous players with an equally strong bench, but they are being stifled under Southgate.
I attributed the Croatia game to naïvety and lack of experience.
I attributed the Italy game to poor in-game management, but a harsh lesson learned. But it wasn't!
Southgate seems to be inept at altering the tactics mid-game if plan A isn't working. I don't know why he subbed off Saka - who was having a stormer - with Sterling who had only returned the day before.
I feel like you didn't watch the gam last night, England were creative and we should have at least taken the game to extra time. How Harry Kane isn't getting more flack for the missed chip shot in the first half and the missed penalty in the second half, is beyond me
I agree difference between world class strikers is they can handle the pressure kane hasn't played great in most of England matches but as soon as he started to mess with the ball on the spot for a second time I just knew his arse had gone
Because the missed chip wasn't his fault. You idiots will do anything but praise goalkeepers for doing good goalkeeping. Also, do you just not go on twitter? Kane is getting hounded by everyone who doesn't support Spurs
@@yourmum955 are you praising the keeper for him not hitting the target with the 2nd penalty..idiots like you who think he's world class...no trophies and zero impact in big games where it matters but penalties can be missed just make sure you hit the target then I'll praise the goalkeeper
No-one thinks Gerrard can come in and do a better job??
I wasn’t a big fan about Southgate before this World Cup and I thought this World Cup would make or break him as an England manager. I now think he’s the best England manager ever. This World Cup, even though we went out in the quarters which is disappointing, I feel that he’s been brave, attack-minded, and used our strongest players. Players such as Maguire, Shaw and Henderson are always doubted when it comes to world cups yet Southgate uses them no matter how much idiots like Jennings doubt them. That’s bravery. Southgate makes us feel close to this team, makes everything feel more real and personal compared to the likes of Capello and Hodgson did. Last night obviously was frustrating and gutting, but I thought Southgate set us up to attack against the best national team in the world- how is that cowardly and ‘tactically-inept’? Last night was the best we, as a country, have played in such a long time in a major tournament and Southgate set us up to do that. Rory is clearly clueless, everything he says sort of angers me as if he’s never actually watched England play this tournament. “Southgate can’t actually do it” - Name another England manager who’s gone what he’s done. He is the most successful England manager of all time and I find it completely insulting that people like Rory and Mark Goldbridge talk about him like this
is this a copypasta?
I agree with everything have said here Rory. Southgate might "changed the culture" but that's no good if we still can't win against top sides. Out in the quarters cos that's as good as we are.
And England bottle it again 🥳
started on our knees and ended on them
Southgate in. He’s took players far past what we ever thought these past few years. The players respond well and he’s been a togetherness within that squad. It comes down to Barry lane missing a penalty. Performance was world class against the world champions. He deserves more time
Bro shut up u know notin about football
This squad will age over time. Southgate has already wasted 2 world cups and a euro. This team should have won a trophy by now but have nothing to show. Keeping Southgate is just asking for more failure, the guy had three shots and failed them all. Continuing with this Southgate in mentality will only achieve failure.
We've regressed getting knocked out in the quarters?
Ur soo deluded get out or here bruv behave man can't u clearly see what happened in euros finals n semi finals world cup and yesterday night jog on blud
It was his fault we lost the euro's, took recognised penalty takers off in the last few minutes when it was obvious it was going to be a shoot out, he should have been sacked for that alone. Togetherness, no the manager needs to be a leader not a yes man. Italy were there for the taking, France were there for the taking.