As a Dutchman, I loved this video. Some of the best Dutch players ever are from Suriname lineage and respect for that is well deserved. Seedorf is a top-5 player in our football history in my opinion and does not get the credit he deserves
Seedorf was een geweldige voetballer maar, het probleem met Seedorf is dat zijn succes is behaald in het club voetbal. En iedereen lijkt enkel het gezeik en de gemiste penalties te herinneren bij het Nederlands elftal
Suriname and Jamaica man. These 2 smaller countries have contributed to sooooo many world class players over the years that ended up representing the netherlands or england. Much respect to them and i think everyone is rooting for their national teams to reach a level thats atleast close to the talent theyve contributed. It is also fair to mention that a solid percentage of these players have european parents as well too so it could be a legit tough decision for them.
@@atilla4372 but for france its more like africa as a whole tbh. Theyve gotten great talent from Guadeloupe, martinique, and french guiana but I wouldnt even be able to give you a main contributing country for them. senegal? Dr congo? Ivory coast? Algeria? Cameroon? theres too many contributers tbh.
Thank you for this video, I never expected to see a video about my country on such a large chanel. I'd like to add that breaking even in our second season is a very optimistic goal and will be hard due to our current inflation rate. Furthermore, I'd like to mention "het kleurrijk elftal" which was a team of Dutch players of Surinamese descent whom played friendlies in Suriname in the 80s. Most sadly died due to a huge plane crash in 1989.
It's not the population of 600,000 in Suriname that is relevant, but the population of 500,000 Dutch nationals with roots to Suriname. I don't think any world class player was ever developed in Surinam. It's a combination of the wonderful dutch football infrastructure (the fa has 1 million members, more than the Spanish fa) and the ambition and talent of the surinamese community. I'd love to see Surinam in the 2026 world cup though! I didn't realize their chances of qualifying were so high.
Helps that the Surinamese roots population has less economic success in the society and have lower wages and standards of living. In other words, being poor is the root of much sporting success in history.
@@uriustosh it sure is a factor. And it depends which sport too. You'll see less Surinamese or others with an immigration background in tennis or hockey. Football is the great equalizer in many countries.
That is where the truth is without the Dutch infrastucture with coaching and training, many of these players would have not made it, the same argument goes for African countries. Look at how many on the Moroccan side were born in Belgium, France or the Netherlands, I believe something like 7 out of the starting 11 in the World Cup. It is great to have talent but without the facilities a player can go nowhere.
1978 the dutch were robbed by argentina. Cruijff was threatened, so he didnt participate + the final was in argentina, with 100k argentinians and 0 dutch people. Argentina was allowed everything, in that game. Ultimately that final was lost before it was even played. Fk fifa.
@@hb-kw4mr Exactly , the tournament should've never happened in Argentina to begin with. There was alot going on in the country at the time. I also remembered they fixed a game against Peru , they had to win with 4-0 to qualify for the final. It went to 6-0 after dictator Videla went to the locker room of Peru before the match.
Yes, I thought it was about the Netherlands and I was going to say: why not Uruguay, Argentina or Portugal who have arguably better per capita football performance 😂 ?
Love this type of content. Great to see the acknowledgement of Suriname’s contribution to the global stage. I would like like to see something similar with Jamaica’s national team as it has a pool of talent playing for England’s national team and within the English leagues and MLS.
Indeed, Jamaicans are hugely represented in the English pool, but as well as the USA (Tim Weah, Mark McKenzie, Sean Johnson, Antonee Robinson off the top of my head) and Canadian pools. It tracks very nicely with the biggest location of the Jamaican diaspora.
We would love it if you make this kind of video about the french algerian relationship with football,you will be amazed by the number of player that have both nationalties and played for both national teams in different age group teams
@@aymane.bencheikh i have nothing but respect for tunisia and morroco but if you see the biggest french players are from algerian roots more then morocan or tunisian (zidane benzema mbappe nasri...) I think morroco has this same relationship with spain and netherlands and belgium (ziyech hakimi fellaini chadli...)and tunisia with both france and italy (adil rami...) No offense to these players but when you try to find ballon d'or level players you see french algerians toping the list
@@radiabdallah2870 as a moroccan i agree. there are many north african players in general playing for france but it's interesting to see how many world class french players are algerian. i wonder why that is... maybe more algerian immigrants??
Thanks for covering this, as the Surinam - NL relationship is rarely covered internationally. Some of these players were born when the Netherlands bordered Brazil! One tragedy in this history is the SLM plane crash in 1989. The 'colorfol team' (kleurrijk elftal) of players of Surinam descent playing in the Netherlands were in this plane and many of them died. Gullit & Rijkaard were playing in Italy at the time, so were not in the plane. This is Surinams 'Munich' event. Sadly, the 'colorfol team' never played again.
Would be interesting if FIFA adopted the same policy for dual nationals as rugby has. Where A player can change nations if they stand down or not selected from Tests for three years, and can then represent thier birth nation or nation of parents or grandparents. Imagine a Suriname squad strengthed with former Dutch nationals
That is already happening there several dutch players in the surinam team ! But in Rugby the move is mostly towatds the richer countries ! A lot of New Zealand and Australia international players are from (=Born and raised) the Pacific Islands Islands. England has a couple. Dutchman Tim Visser played for Scotland ..etc .
@@philthornton1382 you like simple solutions for issues that are not always simple and straightforward ! ( Examples: what if you're born in country A , but moved to country B at age 2? What if you are born in countey A , but have parents form another country ? ).
@@philthornton1382 It's not always possible. If someone is born in a country, he or she won't necessarily become a citizen of that country. A friend of mine was born in France to US parents and is not elegible for citizenship. If he were a footballer, he wouldn't be elegible to play for France. Furthermore, people can have different nationalities and they should be able to choose freely between the countries they can represent as long as they hold a passport of that country. I'd even go as far as suggesting they should be able to switch national teams as many time as they wanted to during their career.
@@mohammedfareed298 Excluded because Morocco is not a former colony of the Netherlands and Frans seemed to be going for that, but rest assured that those of Moroccan descent are playing a big role in Dutch football. We have seen last winter what it can bring about as we watched some of our brothers roll over Portugal and Spain. It was breathtaking.
@@mohammedfareed298 I think the big story is that Dutch Moroccans did decide to represent Morocco (alongside other European-born players), and it got them to the semi final.
I know this gets raised a lot with you guys at Tifo but your quality really is of the finest calibre. Aside from the immense research, graphics and commentary, there is just a little bit of unexplainable magic in every video you make. Thank you again 🙏
Something that makes me happy as a Dutchman is when players from different cultures feel proud to wear the orange jersey. We can still do better as a country to make these players feel even more proud to represent the Netherlands and make them feel more home. Especially considering lately plenty of players have been chosing their country of origin instead of the Netherlands, makes me feel like we haven't done a proper job making them feel Dutch.
Waarom ben jij daar trots op? Waarom wil jij die gasten hersenspoelen en hun ontwortelen van hun eigen land/cultuur/volk? Want alleen zo kan je mensen trots krijgen op iets dat niet van hen is. Alleen maar om hun een fijn gevoel te geven of zodat jij met een blij gevoel de deur uit kan? Het is juist veel mooier als zij hun Suriname kunnen representeren. Wij stelen al hun talent, waardoor zij nooit hun hoogste niveau kunnen bereiken en zich daardoor genoodzaakt voelen om voor het Nederlandse elftal te spelen, want alleen zo is er sportief wat te halen. Kijk wat Marokko heeft bereikt op het WK, dat kan Suriname ook maar wij dwarsbomen dat vanuit egoïsme en omdat wij vinden dat zij een "verplichting" hebben naar ons.
@quantummeme7655 True the ballon d’ors history with non European players is well.. checkered to say the least. So it’s not really a fair statement. What is interesting though is that along with Germany, the Netherlands is the only country to make up the top 3. P.S. two of those 3 are of Surinamese heritage, which is just ludicrous if you think about it
@@davidderuiter726 I am aware of this, however in 88. The top 3 respectively were… Marco van Basten, Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard. 2 out those 3 have a Surinamese background, which is absolutely ludicrous.
Surinamese footballers from the Netherlands have a tragic plane crash in their history. In 1989, Surinam Airways flight 764 crashed while trying to land at Paramaribo (the crash was caused by the bad crew decisions made, coupled with a bizarre hiring structure of crew and lack of oversight). Many Surinamese Dutch players, part of the "Colourful 11", were on that flight to play a friendly with a local Suriname team. Most of the players on board died. Even more unfortunate, so many of the stars players part of that "Colourful 11" were denied permission from their clubs to play, so the players on that flight were second-stringers. Some players that were held back included Ruud Gullit and Aron Winter.
This video is awesome. I recommend you guys do one with the link between Jamaica 🇯🇲 & England 🏴!!! Many black footballers in England on the national or that plays throughout englands top flight is of Jamaican decent ! Would love to see a Tifo about Jamaican influence on the English premier league ! From John Barnes to Sol Campbell to Raheem sterling ! It would an awesome video
@@mohammedfareed298 yes and he is awesome but there are a lot more footballers of Jamaican decent that would play for England or the USA before playing for Jamaica and doing a video like this can highlight the issue and shine some light on it and maybe change things
Same for the Nigerian player in England. 30% of the squad has Caribbean or west African roots. In France it’s basically 100% 😂😂Very worth talking about!
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Also add the fact that Suriname had to play against Canada in the First Round of qualifying for WC2022 (The top team in CONCACAF qualifying). Two other group winners had the same amount of points as Suriname, that speaks for itself how the groups were made.
@@jamesgolightly5320 our team is pretty much fill of them for a few years now. They simply arent as good as the under 30s we had before...(in the case of the romanian national team) (That is, if you mean players under 30 years old)
Just a PHENOMENAL reporting here; I’m in awe, I had no idea that Suriname had produced all this football superstars and that they themselves really wanted all this time to play for Suriname instead. CONCACAF qualifiers are going to be fire this season! Thanks Tifo ; much appreciation from Panama 🇵🇦
It didn’t as well. If they didn’t enjoy the Dutch training and funds they would not have become what they have. The same goes for players with Moroccan roots. Some play for Morocco, some for the Netherlands. But if they had been raised in Morocco most likely they wouldn’t have been great players.
Wow I had know idea of this migration pattern. I thought that this video was going to be about how the Dutch are a tiny nation that produce immense talent... little did I know. Thanks again for another incredible video!
@@erikthehalfabee6234 idk if they have a better claim to make tbh… only Argentina can stand up in terms of great players and they got 2,5 times the population…
@@erikthehalfabee6234 Croatia is more of a great team I think. The Netherlands have produced a ridiculous amount of world class players so I think they keep the claim
Suriname is blessed with talented footballers, but another Island that also helps the Dutch National team to produce strong talented players is Curacao. Eventhough not as much as Suriname... Curacao also has quite a few players that represented the Dutch team or the younger Under 20 squad. Players such as Geertruida (Feyenoord), Gregory van der Wiel ( PSG, Ajax), Timber twins (Ajax & Feyenoord.), Patrick Kluivert (Ajax & Barca, his mom is from Curacao) & Jetro Willems (PSV, Newcastle & Eintracht). Currently there's almost 15 players in Ajax Youth set-up, 11 in PSV and 20 in Feyenoord youth teams. Curacao and Suriname can produce a very strong national team but majority of those players wont choose to play for either countries.
Maybe the things can change if they don´t have a chance to make it in the senior squad and Curazao & Suriname qualify to the WC more often and bring fight to the top teams in CONCACAF
A great video on a topic I knew a little about but not enough. Perhaps it explains some of the in-fighting and tensions in the Netherlands team in the 90’s and 00’s. Great eye opener!
Suriname has a football league that was founded 95 years ago. SV Robinhood is its most successful team and we see them regularly qualify to the early stages of CONCACAF Champions League.
I had no idea all those dutch players were from suriname...but this story makes the one about Croatia even more insane. Only 4 million people and we never had a colony from where we would pull players like netherlands did...
Johan Cruijf, Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, Robin van Persie, Edwin van der Sar, Marco van Basten, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Marc Overmars, Dennis Bergkamp, etc. Nah, the Dutch produced many ''native'' world class players. Croatia is doing alright tho.
Thanks, we have cuisine from all over the world. Due to Javanese, Chinese and Indian immigration in the 19th century, we are a very multi-racial country with even Jewish and Lebanese influences.
I have always salute the Suriname players who represent the Netherlands! They are really amazing but I also find Suriname a pity nation that they are not a football nation despite having many world class players. Nonetheless, is My respect to you Suriname!
The players are Surinamese, but the Dutch system was what enabled them to become great. You can be athletically gifted, but you also need the right education and training
Hey tifo channel. As you mentioned Ethiopia on 6:44: Can you make a video about the Eritrean players who were 90% of the squad who won the 1962 African cup of nations for Ethiopia, not even one year after the start of the independence War. It's a really interesting story. Have a nice day
The phrase Dutch master is by no means a new one. Players like Johan Cruyff, Marco Van Basten, Dennis Bergkamp and many others who were born in the Netherlands or one of their overseas territories have all been worthy wearers of the tag. Ajax Amsterdam, PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoord from Rotterdam are top football clubs from the small European nation.
Also overpowers that little slice of Spain that has a desire to breakaway known as Euskal Herria/Basque Country although mostly in the nature of the talent as the last world class Basque was Telmo Zarra back in the 40s and 50s with a lot of very very good ones like Arteta, Goikoetxea, Zamora, Alonso, amongst others.
This is not what I was expecting from the title. As a U.K. British born black man (not of Surinamese descent), I’m sure if I was born in Holland, my football education would be very different. I was hoping to learn about the Dutch way of developing players, as in addition to the immense players of Surinamese descent, players like Bergkamp, de Boer brothers, Robben, van Persie, van Nistelrooij, Overmars, Strootman (before the injuries), van Basten, Sneijder, Koman. Mr Total Football - Cruijff himself! Whether black or white, the Dutch have created amazing players - whether of Surinamese background or not. I’d like to know how a country as small as Netherlands, and with a league not considered the biggest, keeps producing baller after baller.
Suriname is old Guyana which is in Brazil.... that explains it, if that colony had been given to Brazil instead of becoming Suriname then we would have seen this players in Brazil national team, crazy imagining Seedorf in Brazil 98/02 XD
Watching Aron Winter play back in the day was always great, seeing someone with Indian heritage play at the World Cup and score was a cool moment for sure
Do you have proof of this 99% statistic? A quick Google search shows roughly 90.4% of Croatians are ethnic Croatians... which is quite a bit less than your quoted 99%. The most homogenous countries in the world are N Korea, S Korea and Japan - they are the ones that are around 99%.
You guys have it wrong. Suriname has nothing to do with it. Its because of the vast football infrastructure of the Netherlands that give migrants the chance to flourish. Their native countries have nothing to do with it
@@erikthehalfabee6234 Did u not watch the vid? most were born in Suriname or their parents were. and did u not here him mention pure surinamese ballers being the best midfielders etc
@@CH75011 I watched the video and I know about many of these players. Development of a player starts when they're six or more likely 10. I don't think Suriname has the infrastructure to develop young players into stars m.
would probably improve there game if Guyana and Suriname moved to Conmebol to make it a 12 team continent, would have little to no chance of qualfying right now but im sure over time it would improve there game as players would represent them more, after 2026 they should move imo.
Unbelievable that a video of Surinam is posted by Tifo. Surinam is a small, but football crazy, country. There are numerous artificial turf pitches and every night they are fully booked and played on. It's not uncommon to see children playing football on the streets. All in all, it would be an understatement to say that football has an impact on the Surinamese people.
The dutch national team does not 'owe' their succes to Suriname, nor is the lack of succes of the surinamese national team a result of emmigration to the Netherlands. These players that are mentioned grew up and developed in the Netherlands. Had they grown up in Suriname they would likely not have developed to their full potential. There is a reason there is no equivalent to dumfries or vvd that developed in Suriname. Besides, I know few people more quintessentially dutch than Virgil van Dijk.
some other players you left out like Sheraldo Becker from Union Berlin has also chosen for the suriname National team. The players are likely a loss for our national team (the netherlands) but its very nice to see more players having a shot at International football
The coach should be Frank Rijkaard! He is very experienced coach who has coached the Netherlands national team in Euro 2000 and also Barcelona which he win the UEFA Champions league in 2006.
I'm rooting for Suriname to get to the World Cup. We live in a world emerging from the ashes of colonialism, and right now, we need a story like this to inspire the world. The fact that Dutch-Surnamese players like Kluivert longed to play for Suriname is evidence that the dream is alive. It's the 21st century, and athletes of Surinamese descent can finally do something that Guulit's and Rjikaard's generation couldn't - they choose to play for their mother nation.
the players could choose for suriname since like the year 2000, rijkaard and gullit couldnt switch anymore because they had already made official appearences but any surinamese player that joined the dutch team after 2000 could have played for suriname
I can't see it happen though. If you want to increase your chances to play on the highest level of the international stage you will always choose the Netherlands. Also, most players with a Surinamese background have been living in the Netherlands for a few generations now. Of course, they will feel a big connection with Suriname but they are born Dutch citizens and will prefer playing for the Dutch NT if they get a call-up. As it stands now playing for Suriname is only an option for players who will not be considered good enough to play for the Dutch NT. I also don't think players like Gullit and Rijkaard regret playing for the Netherlands. I don't think they would have chosen Suriname anyway if they had the option back in the day because it would have been a major drop in quality. Also, I never heard about that Kluivert quote but I always got the impression he was proud playing for Oranje and that he became the topscorer of all-time until Van Persie took it from him (which he celebrated with him because he was the assistant of Louis van Gaal back then). That said, I wish the Surinamese NT the best and hope they can qualify for the World Cup one day but don't expect any miracles because as it stands now the most talented players will always prefer playing for the Dutch NT.
My country! It's so amazing that tifo did a video about us. Sadly, football itself isn't at such a high level anymore in Suriname. Bouterse ruined the progress of football and the country in its whole. Good research
Kluivert's mother is from Curaçao. His father is from Suriname and was a top player in the Surinamese League before migrating to Holland. I dare say he wasn't much less than Kluivert Junior.
Great video, thanks! I'm surprised there was a legal hurdle to players based in NL choosing Suriname though, I thought players of mixed heritage always got to choose (if both national teams wanted them)
The hurdle was from Surinam side. Lately they made it easier for Dutch Surinames to represent Suriname . I think it was like this : Before 1975 Surinamese had the Dutch nationality. Those who moved to the Netherlands in 1975 did not have a Surinamese passport, so their offspring cannot claim an additional Surinamese passport in NL on grounds of (grand)parents. In order to play for Suriname they had to swap the Dutch id for a Surinamese (As NL does not allow 2 passports without parental or birth nationality). And in a practical way that is for most people a step to far .
It’s not impossible they could qualify for World Cup. They play in Concacaf with a host of small Caribbean nations, with whom they have a lot in common. A very few really good players can make a huge difference in qualifying from the North American federation.
3:52 As someone who is in a foreign country living in the West now I promise you all it's not that we think we are better or don't want to be associated with you It's jus nostalgia and feeling like we belong It's kind of scary and intimidating to be different sometimes 😅 Don't take it as an act of melace
I’m always amazed by the fact that Ruud Guillet and Frank Rjikaard's fathers came over to Holland from Suriname together.
They were bffs also as kids while looking like twins.
DID they ever reconcile after the WC fallout?
@@ras7646Rijkaard and Gullit? As far as I notice, probably yes, given how Ruud tends to talk real positive about Frank
@@JamailvanWestering I get the impression ruud is just a really nice guy
@@matt6541 yeah or does he mean Voller and Rijkaard?
It's officially The Netherlands now. Holland I think is an area in The Netherlands
As a Dutchman, I loved this video. Some of the best Dutch players ever are from Suriname lineage and respect for that is well deserved.
Seedorf is a top-5 player in our football history in my opinion and does not get the credit he deserves
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Seedorf was een geweldige voetballer maar, het probleem met Seedorf is dat zijn succes is behaald in het club voetbal. En iedereen lijkt enkel het gezeik en de gemiste penalties te herinneren bij het Nederlands elftal
Good kickboxers from suriname too
@1337menno same was with messi till 2020 and now....
Not good enough to ever win a final though 😆
Suriname and Jamaica man. These 2 smaller countries have contributed to sooooo many world class players over the years that ended up representing the netherlands or england. Much respect to them and i think everyone is rooting for their national teams to reach a level thats atleast close to the talent theyve contributed. It is also fair to mention that a solid percentage of these players have european parents as well too so it could be a legit tough decision for them.
Also Martinique for the french
@@atilla4372 but for france its more like africa as a whole tbh. Theyve gotten great talent from Guadeloupe, martinique, and french guiana but I wouldnt even be able to give you a main contributing country for them. senegal? Dr congo? Ivory coast? Algeria? Cameroon? theres too many contributers tbh.
Croatia too
@@jabmalassie huh? Croatians represent Croatia. Read the room.
@@albanian2902yes because they are the best. The dont need Martinique produce lol
Thank you for this video, I never expected to see a video about my country on such a large chanel. I'd like to add that breaking even in our second season is a very optimistic goal and will be hard due to our current inflation rate. Furthermore, I'd like to mention "het kleurrijk elftal" which was a team of Dutch players of Surinamese descent whom played friendlies in Suriname in the 80s. Most sadly died due to a huge plane crash in 1989.
Feel Sorry for your Dutch colonial past
How's your league and football clubs like?
Well your country produces some of the finest sportsmen! Some of the best kickboxing fighters are also from Suriname
Proud to see my country being represented on tifo🥳🇸🇷
Sranang respresent! 🇸🇷
Orgi
Good luck in 2026!
Vietnam 🇻🇳
I want to visit that place. Need a pal there first.
It's not the population of 600,000 in Suriname that is relevant, but the population of 500,000 Dutch nationals with roots to Suriname. I don't think any world class player was ever developed in Surinam. It's a combination of the wonderful dutch football infrastructure (the fa has 1 million members, more than the Spanish fa) and the ambition and talent of the surinamese community. I'd love to see Surinam in the 2026 world cup though! I didn't realize their chances of qualifying were so high.
THANK YOU!!!!!
Helps that the Surinamese roots population has less economic success in the society and have lower wages and standards of living. In other words, being poor is the root of much sporting success in history.
@@uriustosh it sure is a factor. And it depends which sport too. You'll see less Surinamese or others with an immigration background in tennis or hockey. Football is the great equalizer in many countries.
That is where the truth is without the Dutch infrastucture with coaching and training, many of these players would have not made it, the same argument goes for African countries. Look at how many on the Moroccan side were born in Belgium, France or the Netherlands, I believe something like 7 out of the starting 11 in the World Cup. It is great to have talent but without the facilities a player can go nowhere.
Yes Nederland pat on the back for colonisation you guys rock 😒
The Netherlands' contribution to modern football on and off the pitch is enormous, seems insane that they've never won a World Cup.
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Don't remind us of that 😅
1978 the dutch were robbed by argentina. Cruijff was threatened, so he didnt participate + the final was in argentina, with 100k argentinians and 0 dutch people. Argentina was allowed everything, in that game.
Ultimately that final was lost before it was even played. Fk fifa.
@@hb-kw4mr Exactly , the tournament should've never happened in Argentina to begin with. There was alot going on in the country at the time. I also remembered they fixed a game against Peru , they had to win with 4-0 to qualify for the final. It went to 6-0 after dictator Videla went to the locker room of Peru before the match.
This is a great piece! Love that the title makes you think it is about the Netherlands, actually being about Suriname.
I thought it was about Suriname before clicking.
Yes, I thought it was about the Netherlands and I was going to say: why not Uruguay, Argentina or Portugal who have arguably better per capita football performance 😂 ?
True I was thinking to myself How Come Netherlands was mentioned as a Small Nation
Netherlands: drafting their best players from only suriname
France: "Nah ima take a whole continent to draft my ultimate team"
More like western africa
Love this type of content. Great to see the acknowledgement of Suriname’s contribution to the global stage. I would like like to see something similar with Jamaica’s national team as it has a pool of talent playing for England’s national team and within the English leagues and MLS.
Indeed, Jamaicans are hugely represented in the English pool, but as well as the USA (Tim Weah, Mark McKenzie, Sean Johnson, Antonee Robinson off the top of my head) and Canadian pools. It tracks very nicely with the biggest location of the Jamaican diaspora.
We would love it if you make this kind of video about the french algerian relationship with football,you will be amazed by the number of player that have both nationalties and played for both national teams in different age group teams
Could also say this of Tunisia, Morocco as well, not just Algeria
@@aymane.bencheikh i have nothing but respect for tunisia and morroco but if you see the biggest french players are from algerian roots more then morocan or tunisian (zidane benzema mbappe nasri...) I think morroco has this same relationship with spain and netherlands and belgium (ziyech hakimi fellaini chadli...)and tunisia with both france and italy (adil rami...) No offense to these players but when you try to find ballon d'or level players you see french algerians toping the list
@@radiabdallah2870 as a moroccan i agree. there are many north african players in general playing for france but it's interesting to see how many world class french players are algerian. i wonder why that is... maybe more algerian immigrants??
@@aymane.bencheikh as a moroccan, id say we are more linked with the Netherlands and Belgium.
@@radiabdallah2870 although morocco + france did produce larbi benbarek, peles favourite player of all time.
Thanks for covering this, as the Surinam - NL relationship is rarely covered internationally. Some of these players were born when the Netherlands bordered Brazil!
One tragedy in this history is the SLM plane crash in 1989. The 'colorfol team' (kleurrijk elftal) of players of Surinam descent playing in the Netherlands were in this plane and many of them died. Gullit & Rijkaard were playing in Italy at the time, so were not in the plane.
This is Surinams 'Munich' event. Sadly, the 'colorfol team' never played again.
Fun fact: geographical land size-wise, Suriname is 4 times larger than the Netherlands.
also a fun fact: there are about 600.000 people living there, in the Netherlands there are about 17,5 million.
@@jkj10also fun fact: a peanut is neither a pea or a nut, it’s a legume
Also fun fact: the Dutch eat roti with a pancake or wrap and green beans, whilst the traditional roti is with roti sheets and kousenband
@@Meneervdberg lol waar eet jij roti??? Ik heb het altijd met de roti en kousenband gegeten….
@@poltronafrau Ik verspreid valse informatie... sssstttt
Denzel Dumfries has ties to Aruba. He even played for us during an international friendly years ago.
His mother is from Suriname, his father is from Aruba but also of Surinamese descent
Would be interesting if FIFA adopted the same policy for dual nationals as rugby has. Where A player can change nations if they stand down or not selected from Tests for three years, and can then represent thier birth nation or nation of parents or grandparents.
Imagine a Suriname squad strengthed with former Dutch nationals
That is already happening there several dutch players in the surinam team !
But in Rugby the move is mostly towatds the richer countries ! A lot of New Zealand and Australia international players are from (=Born and raised) the Pacific Islands Islands. England has a couple. Dutchman Tim Visser played for Scotland ..etc .
FIFA should mandate players can only play for their country of birth
@@philthornton1382 you like simple solutions for issues that are not always simple and straightforward !
( Examples: what if you're born in country A , but moved to country B at age 2? What if you are born in countey A , but have parents form another country ? ).
@@philthornton1382 It's not always possible. If someone is born in a country, he or she won't necessarily become a citizen of that country. A friend of mine was born in France to US parents and is not elegible for citizenship. If he were a footballer, he wouldn't be elegible to play for France.
Furthermore, people can have different nationalities and they should be able to choose freely between the countries they can represent as long as they hold a passport of that country.
I'd even go as far as suggesting they should be able to switch national teams as many time as they wanted to during their career.
@@philthornton1382
Terry Butcher was born in Singapore. Does that mean he should never have played for England?!
Suriname, Indonesia and Dutch, you combine those 3 things you get Dutch football legends.
Where are the Moroccans in this?
@@mohammedfareed298 Excluded because Morocco is not a former colony of the Netherlands and Frans seemed to be going for that, but rest assured that those of Moroccan descent are playing a big role in Dutch football. We have seen last winter what it can bring about as we watched some of our brothers roll over Portugal and Spain. It was breathtaking.
@@mohammedfareed298 I think the big story is that Dutch Moroccans did decide to represent Morocco (alongside other European-born players), and it got them to the semi final.
@@mohammedfareed298 Strictly going for former Dutch colonies
Give me one good Indonesian player ever?
I know this gets raised a lot with you guys at Tifo but your quality really is of the finest calibre. Aside from the immense research, graphics and commentary, there is just a little bit of unexplainable magic in every video you make. Thank you again 🙏
Something that makes me happy as a Dutchman is when players from different cultures feel proud to wear the orange jersey. We can still do better as a country to make these players feel even more proud to represent the Netherlands and make them feel more home. Especially considering lately plenty of players have been chosing their country of origin instead of the Netherlands, makes me feel like we haven't done a proper job making them feel Dutch.
Waarom ben jij daar trots op? Waarom wil jij die gasten hersenspoelen en hun ontwortelen van hun eigen land/cultuur/volk? Want alleen zo kan je mensen trots krijgen op iets dat niet van hen is. Alleen maar om hun een fijn gevoel te geven of zodat jij met een blij gevoel de deur uit kan? Het is juist veel mooier als zij hun Suriname kunnen representeren. Wij stelen al hun talent, waardoor zij nooit hun hoogste niveau kunnen bereiken en zich daardoor genoodzaakt voelen om voor het Nederlandse elftal te spelen, want alleen zo is er sportief wat te halen. Kijk wat Marokko heeft bereikt op het WK, dat kan Suriname ook maar wij dwarsbomen dat vanuit egoïsme en omdat wij vinden dat zij een "verplichting" hebben naar ons.
@@otherwize12 ugh zet mensen nog even verder tegen elkaar op vieze racist.
@@otherwize12 erh ... Dat Marokkaanse team bestond voor 2/3 uit Nederlandse (Ziyech, Amrabat) , Franse, Belgische en Spaanse spelers ..
I used to play for his youth academy one of the best experiences in my life👌
The Netherlands has the joint-highest number of Ballon d'or wins BTW.
@quantummeme7655
True the ballon d’ors history with non European players is well.. checkered to say the least.
So it’s not really a fair statement.
What is interesting though is that along with Germany, the Netherlands is the only country to make up the top 3.
P.S. two of those 3 are of Surinamese heritage, which is just ludicrous if you think about it
@@devindrent8505 only 7 ballon d'or and 1 of those was for Gullit the other 6 were van Basten and Cruijff both 3 times.
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I am aware of this, however in 88. The top 3 respectively were… Marco van Basten, Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard.
2 out those 3 have a Surinamese background, which is absolutely ludicrous.
Surinamese footballers from the Netherlands have a tragic plane crash in their history. In 1989, Surinam Airways flight 764 crashed while trying to land at Paramaribo (the crash was caused by the bad crew decisions made, coupled with a bizarre hiring structure of crew and lack of oversight). Many Surinamese Dutch players, part of the "Colourful 11", were on that flight to play a friendly with a local Suriname team. Most of the players on board died. Even more unfortunate, so many of the stars players part of that "Colourful 11" were denied permission from their clubs to play, so the players on that flight were second-stringers. Some players that were held back included Ruud Gullit and Aron Winter.
This video is awesome. I recommend you guys do one with the link between Jamaica 🇯🇲 & England 🏴!!! Many black footballers in England on the national or that plays throughout englands top flight is of Jamaican decent ! Would love to see a Tifo about Jamaican influence on the English premier league ! From John Barnes to Sol Campbell to Raheem sterling ! It would an awesome video
a lot of the jamaican national team play in the english leagues and for the national team now as they have more chance of being capped
There's also pure bred Jamaican called Lean Bailey.
@@mohammedfareed298 yes and he is awesome but there are a lot more footballers of Jamaican decent that would play for England or the USA before playing for Jamaica and doing a video like this can highlight the issue and shine some light on it and maybe change things
Same for the Nigerian player in England. 30% of the squad has Caribbean or west African roots. In France it’s basically 100% 😂😂Very worth talking about!
Rass! Bumbaclart! Ear me now!
Da Jamaican national football team 🇯🇲⚽️ would no ever be entertainin avin any alleged ‘Batty Man’ 🏳️🌈👛 playin for da mandem!
4Real!
So dat rule out anyone considered to be a Judas Queen 🐍👸🏿🌈 playin for da Reggae Boyz 🎤🥁🕺🏾!
Ya get me?
Incredible. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. I knew some of these players hailed from Surinam but not so many. WOW 😳!!!
Also add the fact that Suriname had to play against Canada in the First Round of qualifying for WC2022 (The top team in CONCACAF qualifying). Two other group winners had the same amount of points as Suriname, that speaks for itself how the groups were made.
Maybe a video on the dramatic fall of the romanian and bulgarian national teams?
Yeah they could make a video about most east European nations who at some point had really good teams. It could be like a miniseries.
Hagi was God tier, but man, even when we "just" had Chivu and Mutu we were a great team
Is there any under 30s left in these nations ?
@@jamesgolightly5320 our team is pretty much fill of them for a few years now. They simply arent as good as the under 30s we had before...(in the case of the romanian national team)
(That is, if you mean players under 30 years old)
@@khalilnoelgevana3915 Hungary is actually bouncing back in the recent years. That can't be said of Bulgaria.
Just a PHENOMENAL reporting here; I’m in awe, I had no idea that Suriname had produced all this football superstars and that they themselves really wanted all this time to play for Suriname instead. CONCACAF qualifiers are going to be fire this season!
Thanks Tifo ; much appreciation from Panama 🇵🇦
It didn’t as well. If they didn’t enjoy the Dutch training and funds they would not have become what they have. The same goes for players with Moroccan roots. Some play for Morocco, some for the Netherlands. But if they had been raised in Morocco most likely they wouldn’t have been great players.
I'm from suriname so I'm happy that you guys made this incredible video
And it’s not just football. Some of the best kick-boxers are Surinamese. They just have amazing athletic genes there, kudos
Uruguay has only a population of 3m and produces a lot of talent. This nation has won 15 Copa Americas and World Cups too.
Uruguay's World Cup is all in the early stage, and the gold content is very low
Yeah back in the 30’s
Football heritage
Wow I had know idea of this migration pattern. I thought that this video was going to be about how the Dutch are a tiny nation that produce immense talent... little did I know. Thanks again for another incredible video!
Yes, and I was going to comment Argentina, Uruguay and Portugal have perhaps a better claim to make. 😂
@@erikthehalfabee6234 idk if they have a better claim to make tbh… only Argentina can stand up in terms of great players and they got 2,5 times the population…
@@mchouseboat3405 I forgot Croatia by the way, and there a few more omissions i'm sure.
@@erikthehalfabee6234 Croatia is more of a great team I think. The Netherlands have produced a ridiculous amount of world class players so I think they keep the claim
Wow! So cool to see my country that is not much recognized on such a network like Tifo⚽️❤️. This video was fun to watch. Thanks tifo
This is actually the first time I’ve ever heard of Suriname thank you so much
As a white Dutchy Id love to see Suriname do well! I hope explayers can help out and guide people
I'm from Suriname and I'm so happy to see a video like this💯
Croatia is about 3 million population and their ⚽ talents are insane!
Same with Uruguay!
And Belgium 11 million
@@AXELVISSERS majority of Belgian players are Congolese 🇨🇩
Don't act smart here
@@jacquesbryan2811 same with French team, most teams in general have african players
@@AXELVISSERS fax bro
I sincerely hope they qualify. Good luck to all of you in Suriname. Love from The Netherlands ❤️
Suriname is blessed with talented footballers, but another Island that also helps the Dutch National team to produce strong talented players is Curacao. Eventhough not as much as Suriname... Curacao also has quite a few players that represented the Dutch team or the younger Under 20 squad.
Players such as Geertruida (Feyenoord), Gregory van der Wiel ( PSG, Ajax), Timber twins (Ajax & Feyenoord.), Patrick Kluivert (Ajax & Barca, his mom is from Curacao) & Jetro Willems (PSV, Newcastle & Eintracht).
Currently there's almost 15 players in Ajax Youth set-up, 11 in PSV and 20 in Feyenoord youth teams.
Curacao and Suriname can produce a very strong national team but majority of those players wont choose to play for either countries.
Maybe the things can change if they don´t have a chance to make it in the senior squad and Curazao & Suriname qualify to the WC more often and bring fight to the top teams in CONCACAF
Suriname also produces some of the best kickboxers
Suriname. Prachtig land. Onverstaanbaar dialect wel ;-) Groetjes uit Vlaanderen
West-vlaams dialect is helemaal niet te verstaan.
Het is inderdaad moeilijk te verstaan voor mensen die Vlaams spreken want wij spreken een ouders versie van het Nederlands
Jullie Belgen zijn helemaal niet te verstaan yu kaolo yu 😂
@@jerren4493 ik ben niet eens van België maar Nederland net als bijna elke andere Surinamer
From football to kick-boxers so many talents from Holland are Surinamese!
Also many singers and rappers with Surinamese descent. Netherlands sent many Dutch-Surinamese singers to ESC
Wouldn’t even have known about Suriname if not for tifo! Thank you and I hope they can get a team going on for them soon 🤞
Suriname absolutely has an active league, there is literally a match tonight!
Is it a professional league?
@@Yahntia it isn't.
I'm not front that country, but listening to this video brought tears of joy. What a beautiful game.
A great video on a topic I knew a little about but not enough. Perhaps it explains some of the in-fighting and tensions in the Netherlands team in the 90’s and 00’s. Great eye opener!
Suriname has a football league that was founded 95 years ago. SV Robinhood is its most successful team and we see them regularly qualify to the early stages of CONCACAF Champions League.
I had no idea all those dutch players were from suriname...but this story makes the one about Croatia even more insane. Only 4 million people and we never had a colony from where we would pull players like netherlands did...
Johan Cruijf, Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, Robin van Persie, Edwin van der Sar, Marco van Basten, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Marc Overmars, Dennis Bergkamp, etc. Nah, the Dutch produced many ''native'' world class players. Croatia is doing alright tho.
@@BanlieueBaby marc overmars in t rijtje van Cruyff en Gullit ? Das teveel eer.
Rijkaard past meer in dat rijtje
@@yellfire Wat lul jij nou dom dan joh.
Never thought I'd see a video about my country on one of my favorite sports channels. Thank you! 🇸🇷♥️
Surinamese food is underrated, if you get the chance, I recommend getting bara with whatever they suggest.
Thanks, we have cuisine from all over the world. Due to Javanese, Chinese and Indian immigration in the 19th century, we are a very multi-racial country with even Jewish and Lebanese influences.
@@JasonExclusive oh yeah,you guys also part of dutch empire like indonesia
I have always salute the Suriname players who represent the Netherlands!
They are really amazing but I also find Suriname a pity nation that they are not a football nation despite having many world class players.
Nonetheless, is My respect to you Suriname!
The players are Surinamese, but the Dutch system was what enabled them to become great. You can be athletically gifted, but you also need the right education and training
@@mghbhgm7091 Exactly, people usually forget that part
Hey tifo channel. As you mentioned Ethiopia on 6:44: Can you make a video about the Eritrean players who were 90% of the squad who won the 1962 African cup of nations for Ethiopia, not even one year after the start of the independence War. It's a really interesting story.
Have a nice day
The phrase Dutch master is by no means a new one.
Players like Johan Cruyff, Marco Van Basten, Dennis Bergkamp and many others who were born in the Netherlands or one of their overseas territories have all been worthy wearers of the tag.
Ajax Amsterdam, PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoord from Rotterdam are top football clubs from the small European nation.
I mean the phrase “Dutch Masters” comes from the world of art and was used hundreds of years ago.
Great inside research tifo.....
4:18 This is one of those moments where I almost feel like applauding for how you butchered that name. 🤦♂️🤣
To be fair, the last name indeed starts with a B and he nailed that B.
All Football fans should read 'Brilliant Orange' by David Winner. It's a gem.
It’s strange to me that Suriname is part of CONCACAF, not CONMEBOL
Yes, but they have no cultural or economic ties to South America. So it does make sense. I think it applies to the other 2 Guyanas as well
Glad someone finally did a video on this, it is pretty amazing. They would even beat out Urugay and Croatia for top end talent per capita
Also overpowers that little slice of Spain that has a desire to breakaway known as Euskal Herria/Basque Country although mostly in the nature of the talent as the last world class Basque was Telmo Zarra back in the 40s and 50s with a lot of very very good ones like Arteta, Goikoetxea, Zamora, Alonso, amongst others.
Best country not to win wc
I knew immediately that you are talking about Suriname
This is not what I was expecting from the title. As a U.K. British born black man (not of Surinamese descent), I’m sure if I was born in Holland, my football education would be very different.
I was hoping to learn about the Dutch way of developing players, as in addition to the immense players of Surinamese descent, players like Bergkamp, de Boer brothers, Robben, van Persie, van Nistelrooij, Overmars, Strootman (before the injuries), van Basten, Sneijder, Koman. Mr Total Football - Cruijff himself!
Whether black or white, the Dutch have created amazing players - whether of Surinamese background or not. I’d like to know how a country as small as Netherlands, and with a league not considered the biggest, keeps producing baller after baller.
Its like Finland in F1. A small country that produces good drivers. Hakkinen, Raikonen, Bottas, Keke Rosberg
Suriname is old Guyana which is in Brazil.... that explains it, if that colony had been given to Brazil instead of becoming Suriname then we would have seen this players in Brazil national team, crazy imagining Seedorf in Brazil 98/02 XD
I wouldnt have mind becoming Brazilian
I had no idea of some of the colonial history behind the Dutch National Team. Excellent reporting that makes me ever so thankful for Tifo!
Watching Aron Winter play back in the day was always great, seeing someone with Indian heritage play at the World Cup and score was a cool moment for sure
Against Brasil quarterfinals '94 if I'm not mistaken
My son is eligible for 4 countries.
Makes me want to take him on trials to N.Ireland 💪💪
DIVERSITY IS THE best thing
6:25 very cool old map from back when Drenthe was called Overyssel and Overyssel was called Drenthe
As soon as i saw van dijk in a dutch shirt on the thumbnail i knew this would be about Suriname.
You could do same type of video for croatia wich has 3.8mil people and their players are 99% actualy croatian
Knowing how weird Balkan history gets I doubt that tbh
most of them are serbian atleast the goo ones
@@Stoikappn "the goo ones". I do suppose being made of goo is more common in Serbia than Croatia. Fair point.
Do you have proof of this 99% statistic?
A quick Google search shows roughly 90.4% of Croatians are ethnic Croatians... which is quite a bit less than your quoted 99%. The most homogenous countries in the world are N Korea, S Korea and Japan - they are the ones that are around 99%.
Yeah, let's not do the 'actually Croatian' thing.
You guys have it wrong. Suriname has nothing to do with it. Its because of the vast football infrastructure of the Netherlands that give migrants the chance to flourish. Their native countries have nothing to do with it
Suriname deserve to be at a World Cup 100%. With all the world class players they have produced, they deserve to benefit from it.
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Name me one player that was produced in Suriname? All players featured in this video were developed in the Netherlands.
@@erikthehalfabee6234 Did u not watch the vid? most were born in Suriname or their parents were. and did u not here him mention pure surinamese ballers being the best midfielders etc
@@CH75011 I watched the video and I know about many of these players. Development of a player starts when they're six or more likely 10. I don't think Suriname has the infrastructure to develop young players into stars m.
would probably improve there game if Guyana and Suriname moved to Conmebol to make it a 12 team continent, would have little to no chance of qualfying right now but im sure over time it would improve there game as players would represent them more, after 2026 they should move imo.
suriname do have a football league and they have for decades
Unbelievable that a video of Surinam is posted by Tifo.
Surinam is a small, but football crazy, country. There are numerous artificial turf pitches and every night they are fully booked and played on.
It's not uncommon to see children playing football on the streets.
All in all, it would be an understatement to say that football has an impact on the Surinamese people.
This episode blew my mind at the work you guys do. Great job 👏
Rijkaard striker and Gullit in defence? Interesting. Nevertheless great video
The dutch national team does not 'owe' their succes to Suriname, nor is the lack of succes of the surinamese national team a result of emmigration to the Netherlands. These players that are mentioned grew up and developed in the Netherlands. Had they grown up in Suriname they would likely not have developed to their full potential. There is a reason there is no equivalent to dumfries or vvd that developed in Suriname. Besides, I know few people more quintessentially dutch than Virgil van Dijk.
I hope they get to 2026! They’ve given so much good to football and maybe football owes one back to Suriname
Thank you for this video
some other players you left out like Sheraldo Becker from Union Berlin has also chosen for the suriname National team. The players are likely a loss for our national team (the netherlands) but its very nice to see more players having a shot at International football
Only yesterday I was thinking about all the great Surinamese players as Ferencvaros signed Myety Abena a Dutch/Surinamese defender. 👍🏼
Ik ben een surinaames en dit is een mooie filmpje
As a Dutch man, I thought you were going to be talking about the Netherlands. You got me. Hard. So ashamed right now.
The coach should be Frank Rijkaard!
He is very experienced coach who has coached the Netherlands national team in Euro 2000 and also Barcelona which he win the UEFA Champions league in 2006.
OMG MY COUNTRY Suriname 🇸🇷 ❤❤❤❤
I'm rooting for Suriname to get to the World Cup. We live in a world emerging from the ashes of colonialism, and right now, we need a story like this to inspire the world. The fact that Dutch-Surnamese players like Kluivert longed to play for Suriname is evidence that the dream is alive. It's the 21st century, and athletes of Surinamese descent can finally do something that Guulit's and Rjikaard's generation couldn't - they choose to play for their mother nation.
In the case of Gullit and Rijkaard that would be there fathers nation since both their mothers are white Dutch.
@@davidderuiter726 Yes yes, that's correct!
the players could choose for suriname since like the year 2000, rijkaard and gullit couldnt switch anymore because they had already made official appearences but any surinamese player that joined the dutch team after 2000 could have played for suriname
@@Durping1001 That is awesome! Thank you for the clarification. Hope to see big things from them soon!!!
I can't see it happen though. If you want to increase your chances to play on the highest level of the international stage you will always choose the Netherlands. Also, most players with a Surinamese background have been living in the Netherlands for a few generations now. Of course, they will feel a big connection with Suriname but they are born Dutch citizens and will prefer playing for the Dutch NT if they get a call-up. As it stands now playing for Suriname is only an option for players who will not be considered good enough to play for the Dutch NT. I also don't think players like Gullit and Rijkaard regret playing for the Netherlands. I don't think they would have chosen Suriname anyway if they had the option back in the day because it would have been a major drop in quality. Also, I never heard about that Kluivert quote but I always got the impression he was proud playing for Oranje and that he became the topscorer of all-time until Van Persie took it from him (which he celebrated with him because he was the assistant of Louis van Gaal back then). That said, I wish the Surinamese NT the best and hope they can qualify for the World Cup one day but don't expect any miracles because as it stands now the most talented players will always prefer playing for the Dutch NT.
0:28 Denzel Dumfries is from Aruba, not Suriname
His mother is from Suriname and his father's ancestors also.
6:26 Really interested in how the choice came about to use such an old map of the Netherlands, kinda weird
Wasn't Rijkaard should play central defense, Davids at left midfield, Guillit as false nine, Babel as outside-right and Kluivert as striker?
Mid 90’s Suriname team: the greatest team never to have existed.
sheraldo becker of union berlin is notably the best suriname player
I was just about to write this.
Thanks for that!
UNVEU
Great vid as usual guys. Very educational.
My country! It's so amazing that tifo did a video about us.
Sadly, football itself isn't at such a high level anymore in Suriname. Bouterse ruined the progress of football and the country in its whole.
Good research
I thought this was gonna be a Uruguay reupload
Finally, a video about Portugal!
Great video, grew up watching some of these players.
It's great the Netherlands gives these players a shot. Spain does not feel inclined to do the same for those of Indigenous decent in the America's
Kluivert is not from Suriname. So you made a mistake. He is from Curaçao!
Kluivert's mother is from Curaçao. His father is from Suriname and was a top player in the Surinamese League before migrating to Holland. I dare say he wasn't much less than Kluivert Junior.
Great video, thanks! I'm surprised there was a legal hurdle to players based in NL choosing Suriname though, I thought players of mixed heritage always got to choose (if both national teams wanted them)
The hurdle was from Surinam side. Lately they made it easier for Dutch Surinames to represent Suriname .
I think it was like this : Before 1975 Surinamese had the Dutch nationality. Those who moved to the Netherlands in 1975 did not have a Surinamese passport, so their offspring cannot claim an additional Surinamese passport in NL on grounds of (grand)parents. In order to play for Suriname they had to swap the Dutch id for a Surinamese (As NL does not allow 2 passports without parental or birth nationality). And in a practical way that is for most people a step to far .
Ahh now I see why the tensions always seemed to be there in the Dutch squads in the 90's 👏 👏 👏
It’s not impossible they could qualify for World Cup. They play in Concacaf with a host of small Caribbean nations, with whom they have a lot in common. A very few really good players can make a huge difference in qualifying from the North American federation.
3:52
As someone who is in a foreign country living in the West now
I promise you all it's not that we think we are better or don't want to be associated with you
It's jus nostalgia and feeling like we belong
It's kind of scary and intimidating to be different sometimes 😅
Don't take it as an act of melace