@@morganthus6323definitely you are stupid to understand it, it is not a parade percussion but symphony drums, plus mixed choir of 24 professional vocals. Just shut your mouth airhead and if you want more I can give it to u 🎉
The source of the best line from the first Schwarzenegger Conan ("If I were dead and you were still fighting for life, I'd come back from the darkness. Back from the pit of hell to fight at your side."), and the best line from the Mamoa Conan ("I live, I love, I slay, and I am content"). And one of the stories that reaffirms just how much needs to be changed for Conan to be successful in a modern film or show adaptation. (Unless of course one is going for an amoral Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad kind of feel.) Because in this story Conan is a literal pirate and viking, committing evil acts for his own gain. What most people seem to prefer is the idea of a character who is crude in manners, but with a strong moral core. This version of the character is present in most filmed versions of the tales (I can't speak for the comics), but not in the original tales themselves.
Damn, I came to this video just to say exactly that. I did just listen to The Incredibly Inaccurate Biography of Andy Richter twice in a row (it's on Audible -- well worth a credit). Now _that_ would make an awesome movie as well! Quentin, I hope you see this comment.
no you dont he turned out during pandemic to be a shill for rich hollywood fucks jsut like they all are he went form 100K views to a few hundred ....they are trying to infiltrate and take over youtube FUCK HIM
Queen of the black coast is what quentin is referring to, and its one of my favorite stories next to tower of the elephant. Robert e. Howard had an imagination like no other.
Quentin is like, "Oh yeah, you want it to be like the comic book right?" Meanwhile Joe is just thinking he wants a strong tough guy doing cool shit like Khal Drogo.
Always liked Conan the Destroyer so I am glad Quentin agrees. There was a little biopic with Vincent D’onofrio playing Robert E. Howard called The Whole Wide World made in the 90s. It has Renee Zellweger as his love interest before she was a big star.
I can relate to Quentin on this, everyone hates on Conan the Destroyer, but it was closer to the comics and the books, in the sense of the world having more of a real sense of magic and the Gods. Conan the Barbarian is a classic, of course, and probably my favorite because it's just a great movie overall, but Destroyer has more of the pulp fantasy feel that you would have had in a longer running series if they had gone that route and Arnold would have kept making them.
CtD had more fantasy elements in, with creatures, effects etc. The problem is that those were the exact elements that could not be represented with the tech of the time and rendered the movie quite dated by today's standard. Milius movie on the other side except 2 specific scenes and the one might yet pass as charming (the inexplicable blue screen in the intro and the animated spirits ), ages like fine wine. Up until the point Lord of the Rings was out CtB was the best fantasy production ever.
@@joek600 CtB still is the best fantasy movie. It's classic Greek storytelling, and it will always have the superior accompanying music, as I don't see Basil Poledouris ever being topped.
If you're a "big Conan fan" like Joe and you don't like Conan the Destroyer, you better come to the table with some damn good reasons. All three Arnold Conan movies are great in their own way (yes, I'm counting Red Sonja). I really liked this episode of the JRE; Quentin challenged Joe on some structural beliefs of his and Joe really didn't put forth an argument for them (but you can watch him squirm a few times). This is the kind of content he needs more of.
i agree i never read any of Conan comics but Arnold films of Conan i grew up with, was fantastic movie i am surprised Joe didn't bring the Arnold conan films those 2 were great including Destroyer, Arnold Schwarzenegger Conan The Barbarian was great & Conan the Destroyer was underrated but at end of day noting beats Arnold Conan films at all cost. but hey Joe gotta bring something to table if it wasn't for Schwarzenegger films he would have to be an idiot for that reason..... nothing beats Arnold films
Joe didn't have a clue about the comic book stories that QT was referring to. And QT obviously didn't give a shit about Jason Mamoa but Joe kept bringing him up.
"The story was adapted and expanded by Roy Thomas, Mike Ploog and John Buscema in Conan the Barbarian (Marvel) issues #57, #58 and #100, which were first published in the mid to late 1970s." from the Wiki
the comic series he mentions that had Conan and Belit as a couple for 2 years before adapting the second half of the short story that killed her off is the Dark Horse Conan series that ran all throughout the early to late 2000s until like 2018.
Conan travelled from his native place to civilized countries for kicks. He's supposed to be out of place, struggle with the languages, be in disconcert with their cultures. He's physique is supposed to look grotesque. You have to cast some bodybuilder / strongman actor for that, preferably a foreigner. Someone like Thor Bjornsson would be good, if he could act.
@HiveRobot You're right about the acting, but you just cant have a guy, who took some steroids yesterday for Hulk, it has to be a Lou Ferrigno looking fellow. Plus I dislike all these modern Hollywood pretty boys, who took some steroids for a role of a big guy a year before shooting a movie.
Conan was always entertaining when he had to fight intelligent dangerous people, and that's why the first film worked, especially because there was a working arc to the story. It was always predictably boring when he was slaying down mindless monsters. That's what D&D is for... What works in comics doesn't necessarily work in movies. Comics can exaggerate or circumvent a lot more things that can't be done in film.
Usually those intelligent people were trying to summon or control those seemingly mindless monsters. And of course, sometimes it was unclear if the monsters were mindless or avatars of dark gods and far smarter than we might be able to understand. Like that monster Thoth Amon summons in Hour of the Dragon, that thing was probably real smart in some strange way.
@@kforcer In hard fantasy, a straight monster fight wouldn't work for me, even if it were a puppet. A monster is like a lion or an enraged grizzly. There wouldn't be a long fight on either side, because it's either the monster or Conan who kills the other immediately, there wouldn't be much tactics there, precisely because of the imbalances of power. (Look at Conan vs the big snake.) Think of it like the arena in Rome. You can watch someone trying to fight a lion. It won't be long and exciting, just bloody. Plus, I wouldn't see the human in a beast, which makes a life-and-death fight more palatable and don't looks like just an obstacle.
Love the Milius movie. Definitely debatable whether it captured Howard's Conan, but still can't get enough of it. But that might be Basil Poledouris's doing. Might be the greatest score ever put to film. Or at least I'm gonna say it til it's considered true. I liked Momoa in the role in the new one. And I really liked Stephen Lang in his role. Not really sure how they dropped the ball on that one.
I think Milius's movie captured the essence of Robert E. Howard's mythos, but perhaps not Conan specifically. He was like an amalgam of various Howard figures. I'd say that Thulsa Doom, name aside, was a pretty spot-on portrayal of Thoth Amon though.
I believe that Milius was better at being Howard than Howard. His version of Conan is actually better as a story, but practically he had to work around Arnold's innability to act and even speak english. I always said that Conan the Barbarian is an arthouse movie disguised as a sword and sorcery flick. And has some really good dialogue that really made the difference beween that movie and the flood of the barbarian themed rip-offs that came after. Momoa was actually really good in that glorified Xena production, and I cant stop thinking what if Milius had someone with the right physique but also the ability to act.
It is the only movie i can tell you exactly what is happening in the scene based on music alone, i am of the belief that conan the barbarian is the perfect movie, its not the best adaptation per say but it is a perfect movie. Id love to see a reboot closer to the books with say tarantino and rodriguez helming and joseph baena(arnolds son and spitting image) as conan, someone with the physicality of arnold but more able to articulate and is significantly younger so he could stay in the role alot longer
@@FilmFactsUncovered i LOVE the original. and if you had someone who saw both for the first time now, they would probaby pick the 1st one, but for me, at my age then, the 2nd one had it all. felt more like a d and d adventure. you had the fighter, wizard, thief, thing going. it was more fantastical.
Many writers have written Conan books and only one has come close to the quality of Robert E Howard. The road of Kings by Karl Edward Wagner. His Kane series is a must read for fans of conan.
Would love to see QT do a conan movie. Soloman Kane has a lot of potential too. But really. QTs last movie should be a samurai movie. He's done crime, western, blaxploitation, 70s grindhouse horror, war movie, a mystery/whodunit, kill bill was more of a shaw brothers kung fu epic. He needs a true samurai film and all will be complete. Another dilogy like kill bill would be my dream.
Yeah, Solomon Kane needs a better film too, in the full talk, they talk about Kull of Atlantis and the Robert E. Howard biopic The Whole Wide World, into the bargain.
@@erikwhitney7403 He’s done plenty of fantasy. Once upon a time and Inglorious Basterds were both fantastical representations. If you mean a medieval euro or Japanese type fantasy, that would be the kind of genre stuff he is known for. That would be great. Who knows, we might get a tv series now. Can’t wait to see what he does, dude is consistent.
@@erikwhitney7403 I agree to disagree. Fantasy is such a broad thing. Even if the type of euro medieval fantasy, there is still high and low fantasy, etc. To be clear though, I agree if you are saying it would be cool to see Tarantino do a sword and magic type fantasy movie.
Tarantino knows more about movies than any other person knows about anything. He gives you rare details on the most obscure things. Part of the reason why he’s the best, but also because he is a master caster and doesn’t take himself too seriously.
Tarantino films have blatant anti-white racism throughout them. His films aren't pro-western, they are propaganda designed to subvert and insult whites. That's as much as a can say on UA-cam. If I started pointing out specific points this comment and my account will get banned by KGBtube
He sure did know; Joe Rogan is a huge Robert E. Howard fan. Quentin essentially admits here that he hasn't been reading Howard as long as Rogan. Looks like Tarantino knows the comics better--though he wrongly calls Gerry Conway the writer of the 70's Conan comics--and Rogan knows Howard himself a little better.
And for what it is worth, Quinton Tarantino forget Belit's name or the title of her introductory story, Queen of the Black Coast. Makes sense that Rogan might not know what he's talking about precisely there. But clearly, they're both legit fans.
He doesn’t say Gerry Conway wrote a Conan comic in the '70s...although he did write a Conan comic in the '70s. He talks about a Conan comic from the ‘70s, and he also says Conway and Thomas wrote on Conan the Destoryer.
That's because it was back when he was stuffing Rose McGowan and his one requirement was that she star in it. He was of course laughed out of every production office in LA. Then he dumped her and she lost her freaking mind.
Please don't touch anything that is CONAN,Oliver stone was involved in the first Conan,that's why you can't match that, CONAN has black straight hair with blue eyes,if you can't even get that right,you have no business touching a master piece
It was an 80s machismo action movie they were all the rage at the time. I know my brother liked it and he liked the comics too. Everyone wants everything gritty and realistic now since Nolans Batman but it just was not always that way.
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80s movies were all the rage in the 80s? Say it ain't so. Conan is not a product of the 80s at all, Conan is much older, you clearly know nothing about it.
Fuck. Wasn’t expecting the Robert E. Howard drop. The nod to Roy Thomas, Gerry Conway etc. I agree though, no one has approached this right. And if they did it today it would be big and flashy like all that other bullshit out there (i.e. marvel movies). Conan is brooding, dark, atmospheric and bleak. And existing and surviving and making a way through the world despite that. And what studio would agree to a concept like that? Jesus, what I rant I’ve posted…
Lol I like that Quentin appreciate Conan the Destroyer. It is one of first movies I have ever seen in my life if not the first I remember. I was like 3 or 4 years old when I saw it. I definitely saw first black woman in my life in this movie. It has special place for me and I think it is entertaining flick.
@@Paul-ew5st yeah, i saw the movie few times since then and I actually understood what is happening there later and I do not understand why it has reviews around 5/10. It is not aging well, effects etc, but it has amazing atmosphere, music, it is great fantasy, Grace Jones is amazing. It has Neverending Story vibes kinda. Definitely deserves more than 5/10.
Bêlit, the queen of the black coast is what he's referencing. With almost 90 years of Conan material available a script wouldn't be hard. Dark Horse comics did Conan best but now Marvel has the rights again, but apparently Netflix has a series in the works? To do a script you'd only need one Robert E.Howard story combined with two separate comic stories. Combine them into a plot with two subplots. I'd hire Taylor James as Conan instantly. (He played Samson in the most recent film) The guy is perfect for the role.
I'm sure I'm not the first here to point this out but the story Tarantino is trying to reference here is The Queen Of the Black Coast by Howard. The Marvel comics run that expanded upon the original story lasted from issue #58-100. It was arguably the high point of Roy Thomas's tenure as writer of the series.
He was high as F’ and threw a conversation piece about Conan. Ya he was finished the moment he finished the question. In his head was like “oh shit I just let Quinten out of his jar “
damn my thoughts exacly the kid in conan was the best conan ever!! nice to know that one of the world's greatest directors feels the same fuck the aquaman jason momoa was born to play conan
Ehhhh...I've never met anyone like Conan in real life. Conan is king material. He's a brutal killer on the battlefield but also cunning and tactical. He's intelligent and worldly, possessing the knowledge of many cultures and the ability to blend into or subjugate groups such as pirates, bandits, and tribals in whatever way suits his goals. Jason Mamoa seems like the nicest damned guy on the planet and everytime he opens his mouth he makes me think of him less as a badass and more as someone who I'd like to go camping with or call up for a game of pool. I don't know if the guy is smart or not, but I know he's no more "cunning" than John Candy. Arnold is the same way. He's quick to laugh and slow to anger. The guy is a real party animal and just wants to eat, smoke weed, and get laid in all the commentaries you hear him on. You need someone who looks like Mamoa, but acts sort of like Daniel Craig in Casino Royale. He's a steely-eyed murderer with a quick mind and a way with stealth and politics. The reason people like that usually don't exist is that it takes a lot of time to cultivate all those skills and abilities and most human beings just don't have the time to be that well-rounded, lol.
Howard had written many stories set in many different time periods and with different characters in the late 1920's. Cowboys, boxers, oil field workers, mercenaries. Conan was one of his last characters and the first story was published in December, 1932. He wrote all the Conan stories in the next three and a half years and committed suicide in June, 1936. The first published Conan story, "The Phoenix on the Sword" was a prior King Kull story which was never published titled "By This Ax I Rule." That story was actually rewritten by Howard. The later pastiche writers, primarily L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Howard took some notes Howard had left turned them into stories. Then they took a lot of the other characters Howard had written, renamed the primary character and turned them into Conan stories. One character was a Spanish Crusader, another was an Arab adventurer in what is now Iran, one was an American mercenary in Africa.
The one problem with the first Arnold Conan movie, when discussing the Robert E Howard "Lore" is the depiction of him being an enslaved child and then this owned gladiator character. In Howard's stories there was one thing that Conan NEVER was. He was never a "slave." Never. He was a captive and imprisoned several times but never a slave. And the only "lore" you get about his youth was he grew up in Cimmeria. His father was the village blacksmith, his mother was pregnant but was wounded trying to save her husband. She gave birth to Conan and then died. No other information about Conan emerges until at the age of fifteen, already a warrior of some note, went over the walls of an Aquilonian outpost of Venarium and participated in sacking it. Years later in Howard's first published Conan story, "The Phoenix on the Sword," Conan is already King of Aquilonia, some 20+ years later, because he is already in his 40's.
My main issue with the 2011 Conan movie is that it suffers from trying to satisfy both the hard-core Robert E. Howard Conan fans and the casual fans who only know Conan from the two Arnie movies and it fails at both. It suffers from the obsession with "motivation" that modern filmmakers and screenwriters have. We did not need the first 20+ minutes of the movie setting up a new origin story for Conan. At the most 5-10 minutes to set up the Hyborian Age and a little montage of Conan's origins being born on the battlefield etc. and then just get into the movie and if you frame it right you may not even need that much. I see Conan being introduced somewhat like they did James Bond. Honestly how much did we really know about Bond's backstory until "Casino Royale" and that was 21 films in. What you need to know about Conan is that he's a wandering barbarian warrior from Cimmeria and then drop him into the action. That being said Jason Mamoa is the closest any actor has ever come to portraying the character as REH wrote him.
''The Queen of the Black Coast'' her name was Belit. She was killed by a demon. I completely agree about the Jason Momoa '''Conan'' movie, the opening ten minutes, that kid was Conan. Had they done the whole movie like that, it would have a better movie than the Milius/Schwarzenegger film. As it was, it just fell completely flat. It was almost like a ''Hercules/Xena'' episode.
Rarely do I disagree with Quentin regarding movies, but this time I do. Conan The Barbarian (1982) was *the* Conan movie, far better than it's sequel Conan the Destroyer. If I had to guess why we disagree, it seems like it is because Quentin's introduction to Conan was through the comic books, while mine was through the old paperbacks.
Haha! Quentin Tarantino is one of those dangerous guys, when he's speaking about a film, you suddenly become possessed: "I've got to go and watch that movie (again) immediately!" Awesome. But that idea: Tarantino or Rodriguez doing a Conan could be brutally good... wonder if we'll see it?
@Graham Farrell No I'm old but I like well thought out movies. I'd also take any cohen brothers movie except hail ceaser over anything QT has done. I like pulp fiction and parts of his other movies but they are overated in my opinion.
@Graham Farrell After Braveheart, Passion of the Christ and Apocalypto, I really cannot see who could be better than Gibson for this. Another guy who could do this is the director of Bone Tomahawk. He's an independent director but his movies are always on point, badass and visceral and cut to the bone.
@Syntax "troglodytes" ? Oh my god are you for real? John Milius is one of the best directors of all times. Is he a troglodyte because "syntax from the internet" Doesn't share his political views?
@Syntax no dude, i am definitely not simpatico with Milius right wing political views, but his movies are definitely masterpieces. The Lion and the wind, farewell to the king, Conan, big Wednesday.. The guy even wrote apocalypse now , dirty Harry and Jeremiah Johnson. Hè is a symbol of the New Hollywood. If you Can't understand his movies, you probably understand nothing at all About movies. I was hoping you were mad because of his political views but that's not the case, well then i feel sad for You.
@Syntax yeah I'm aggressive and you're a wise movie critic. I mean it's Not like You started this calling Tarantino and millius "troglodytes". Nah, it's me who is being aggressive without any reason.
I wish Tarentino would make a Conan, it wouldnt be anything like Milius' version. Tarentino's would be a bit more "camp". But it would be better than nothing.
Actually if you read the books, Arnold looks more like Conan than Jason. Broad Chested, thick neck apish arms, Low Brow. The difference that Jason had was in the eyes smoldering(which are suppose to be blue). Jason eyes smolder more than Conan, and he also had the Tiger like moves. But that is it. Arnold looked more like Conan, and even behaved more like Conan. Conan had street smarts for traps fighting etc, but was confused about society laws and was described as looking confused by it. I can see Arnold saying Dog! I am Conan, Cimmerian. I will gut you where you stand. Or Like Arnold said "Enough Talk"
Jason Mamoa is too much of a Hollywood pretty boy to portray Conan. Look at the artwork of Frank Frazetta on the original Conan novel covers. THAT is the Conan we need to see in a QT or maybe even a Rob Zombie 'Conan' movie. For example the Frazetta 'Conan the Barbarian' or 'Conan the Warrior' covers etc. QT was right about the first few minutes of the Conan movie he was referring to. Even though in the Robert Howard books, Conan was a smart, cunning warrior, with rationale, an ultra violent Conan movie would rock.
IMO, the dialogues would be too stylized based on his writing and directing style so far. We need someone with Garth Enis, Frank Miller, Alan Moore or Robert Kirkman serious dark toned of story writing cos I'm hoping for Joker and The Dark Knight level of character study, discussing on Frank Castle's mentality.
One of the biggest differences between the two versions was the absolutely fitting and integral Basil Poledouris score. GOAT
One of the world's greatest movie soundtracks, hands down. And good exercise music for the gym, too.
The 1982 Conan the barbarian movie was the greatest story ever with the greatest score.
It sounded like a big stupid parade score.
@@morganthus6323 You sound like a big stupid brat.
@@morganthus6323definitely you are stupid to understand it, it is not a parade percussion but symphony drums, plus mixed choir of 24 professional vocals. Just shut your mouth airhead and if you want more I can give it to u 🎉
The story is called “Queen of the Black Coast.” In 2012, comic writer Brian Wood did his version of this story and it was phenomenal.
The source of the best line from the first Schwarzenegger Conan ("If I were dead and you were still fighting for life, I'd come back from the darkness. Back from the pit of hell to fight at your side."), and the best line from the Mamoa Conan ("I live, I love, I slay, and I am content").
And one of the stories that reaffirms just how much needs to be changed for Conan to be successful in a modern film or show adaptation. (Unless of course one is going for an amoral Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad kind of feel.) Because in this story Conan is a literal pirate and viking, committing evil acts for his own gain.
What most people seem to prefer is the idea of a character who is crude in manners, but with a strong moral core. This version of the character is present in most filmed versions of the tales (I can't speak for the comics), but not in the original tales themselves.
Except the artwork was complete lazy junk.
Brain would absolutely ruined Conan.
Unfortunately this will never happen.
@@stevendavid8508 It's no wonder you think they are the best. Both of those lines are lifted directly from Robert E. Howard's stories.
Damn I wanted a Conan O’Brien film
Conan playing Conan would be the greatest film ever made.
Damn, I came to this video just to say exactly that. I did just listen to The Incredibly Inaccurate Biography of Andy Richter twice in a row (it's on Audible -- well worth a credit). Now _that_ would make an awesome movie as well! Quentin, I hope you see this comment.
If anybody's gonna make a Conan movie they'd better hurry up. Tilda Swinton ain't getting any younger.
no you dont he turned out during pandemic to be a shill for rich hollywood fucks jsut like they all are
he went form 100K views to a few hundred ....they are trying to infiltrate and take over youtube FUCK HIM
@@chronosschiron I think you jsut invented a new word -- jsut like "hodl." Trying to figure out what it means, though.
Queen of the black coast is what quentin is referring to, and its one of my favorite stories next to tower of the elephant. Robert e. Howard had an imagination like no other.
Joe and Quentin are highkey having different conversations during this lmao
Quentin is like, "Oh yeah, you want it to be like the comic book right?" Meanwhile Joe is just thinking he wants a strong tough guy doing cool shit like Khal Drogo.
Joe Rogan couldn't get that Tarantino wasn't giving any f***s about Momoa, and no offense but he isn't Tarantino material at all in my opinion.
I'm a momoa fan and I 100% agree.
Exactly. Quentin works with actors.
@razmik simonyan He was good in Stargate: Atlantis lol.
@@benbooth2783 🤣🤣🤣
Quentin would cast Walton Goggins as Conan and have Harvey Keitel narrate
Always liked Conan the Destroyer so I am glad Quentin agrees.
There was a little biopic with Vincent D’onofrio playing Robert E. Howard called The Whole Wide World made in the 90s. It has Renee Zellweger as his love interest before she was a big star.
Same
I liked it as well. It's not the same as the first one, but I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as people say.
I'm still waiting for "King Conan" with Arnold.
With the Milius script
Same, it could still happen. 💀🔥⚔️
Millius and Arnie must return
Conan the Barbarian: Screw Your Freedom
Conan The Conqueror
I can relate to Quentin on this, everyone hates on Conan the Destroyer, but it was closer to the comics and the books, in the sense of the world having more of a real sense of magic and the Gods. Conan the Barbarian is a classic, of course, and probably my favorite because it's just a great movie overall, but Destroyer has more of the pulp fantasy feel that you would have had in a longer running series if they had gone that route and Arnold would have kept making them.
Despite its cheese... it was my favorite as a kid
Funny coincidence, the Destroyer was written by the marvel comic writers
CtD had more fantasy elements in, with creatures, effects etc. The problem is that those were the exact elements that could not be represented with the tech of the time and rendered the movie quite dated by today's standard. Milius movie on the other side except 2 specific scenes and the one might yet pass as charming (the inexplicable blue screen in the intro and the animated spirits ), ages like fine wine. Up until the point Lord of the Rings was out CtB was the best fantasy production ever.
Exactly. Always favoured the second movie
@@joek600 CtB still is the best fantasy movie. It's classic Greek storytelling, and it will always have the superior accompanying music, as I don't see Basil Poledouris ever being topped.
If you're a "big Conan fan" like Joe and you don't like Conan the Destroyer, you better come to the table with some damn good reasons. All three Arnold Conan movies are great in their own way (yes, I'm counting Red Sonja). I really liked this episode of the JRE; Quentin challenged Joe on some structural beliefs of his and Joe really didn't put forth an argument for them (but you can watch him squirm a few times). This is the kind of content he needs more of.
i agree i never read any of Conan comics but Arnold films of Conan i grew up with, was fantastic movie i am surprised Joe didn't bring the Arnold conan films those 2 were great including Destroyer, Arnold Schwarzenegger Conan The Barbarian was great & Conan the Destroyer was underrated but at end of day noting beats Arnold Conan films at all cost. but hey Joe gotta bring something to table if it wasn't for Schwarzenegger films he would have to be an idiot for that reason..... nothing beats Arnold films
Joe didn't have a clue about the comic book stories that QT was referring to. And QT obviously didn't give a shit about Jason Mamoa but Joe kept bringing him up.
"Queen of The Black Coast" is the original E. Howard story he's thinking of, I think. First published in Weird Tales in '34.
"The story was adapted and expanded by Roy Thomas, Mike Ploog and John Buscema in Conan the Barbarian (Marvel) issues #57, #58 and #100, which were first published in the mid to late 1970s." from the Wiki
Belit, Queen of the Black Coast.
the comic series he mentions that had Conan and Belit as a couple for 2 years before adapting the second half of the short story that killed her off is the Dark Horse Conan series that ran all throughout the early to late 2000s until like 2018.
@@theyautjawarrior6652 that's excellent, I must check that run out.
Imo, Arnold was a far better Conan than Jason.
Who disagrees with you, the Jason mamoa Conan movie was ass.
"GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!"
Jason was no Conan
Conan travelled from his native place to civilized countries for kicks. He's supposed to be out of place, struggle with the languages, be in disconcert with their cultures. He's physique is supposed to look grotesque.
You have to cast some bodybuilder / strongman actor for that, preferably a foreigner. Someone like Thor Bjornsson would be good, if he could act.
@HiveRobot You're right about the acting, but you just cant have a guy, who took some steroids yesterday for Hulk, it has to be a Lou Ferrigno looking fellow.
Plus I dislike all these modern Hollywood pretty boys, who took some steroids for a role of a big guy a year before shooting a movie.
Conan was always entertaining when he had to fight intelligent dangerous people, and that's why the first film worked, especially because there was a working arc to the story. It was always predictably boring when he was slaying down mindless monsters. That's what D&D is for...
What works in comics doesn't necessarily work in movies. Comics can exaggerate or circumvent a lot more things that can't be done in film.
Usually those intelligent people were trying to summon or control those seemingly mindless monsters. And of course, sometimes it was unclear if the monsters were mindless or avatars of dark gods and far smarter than we might be able to understand. Like that monster Thoth Amon summons in Hour of the Dragon, that thing was probably real smart in some strange way.
@@kforcer In hard fantasy, a straight monster fight wouldn't work for me, even if it were a puppet. A monster is like a lion or an enraged grizzly. There wouldn't be a long fight on either side, because it's either the monster or Conan who kills the other immediately, there wouldn't be much tactics there, precisely because of the imbalances of power. (Look at Conan vs the big snake.)
Think of it like the arena in Rome. You can watch someone trying to fight a lion. It won't be long and exciting, just bloody. Plus, I wouldn't see the human in a beast, which makes a life-and-death fight more palatable and don't looks like just an obstacle.
Love the Milius movie. Definitely debatable whether it captured Howard's Conan, but still can't get enough of it. But that might be Basil Poledouris's doing. Might be the greatest score ever put to film. Or at least I'm gonna say it til it's considered true. I liked Momoa in the role in the new one. And I really liked Stephen Lang in his role. Not really sure how they dropped the ball on that one.
I think Milius's movie captured the essence of Robert E. Howard's mythos, but perhaps not Conan specifically. He was like an amalgam of various Howard figures. I'd say that Thulsa Doom, name aside, was a pretty spot-on portrayal of Thoth Amon though.
Because the momoa one was trying to be a remake instead of its own thing. That, and it's hard to live up to the original by milius
I believe that Milius was better at being Howard than Howard. His version of Conan is actually better as a story, but practically he had to work around Arnold's innability to act and even speak english. I always said that Conan the Barbarian is an arthouse movie disguised as a sword and sorcery flick. And has some really good dialogue that really made the difference beween that movie and the flood of the barbarian themed rip-offs that came after. Momoa was actually really good in that glorified Xena production, and I cant stop thinking what if Milius had someone with the right physique but also the ability to act.
I agree that the Basil Poledouris score for Conan the Barbarian is the best film score start to finish that I’ve ever heard.
It is the only movie i can tell you exactly what is happening in the scene based on music alone, i am of the belief that conan the barbarian is the perfect movie, its not the best adaptation per say but it is a perfect movie. Id love to see a reboot closer to the books with say tarantino and rodriguez helming and joseph baena(arnolds son and spitting image) as conan, someone with the physicality of arnold but more able to articulate and is significantly younger so he could stay in the role alot longer
conan the destroyer is still one of my favorite movies. so underrated.
Watched it a 100 times as a kid
@@sketchyyoutubeguy1030 Same here. Basically formed my image of what a fantasy film should be.
You like Conan the destroyer more than “ Conan the Barbarian “?
@@FilmFactsUncovered i LOVE the original. and if you had someone who saw both for the first time now, they would probaby pick the 1st one, but for me, at my age then, the 2nd one had it all. felt more like a d and d adventure. you had the fighter, wizard, thief, thing going. it was more fantastical.
Conan the Barbarian is 10x better a true masterpiece
Many writers have written Conan books and only one has come close to the quality of Robert E Howard.
The road of Kings by Karl Edward Wagner.
His Kane series is a must read for fans of conan.
would love to see a Davey Crockett or something similar from Quentin!! love his movies. brilliant artist!!
Quentin Tarantino is the only guy I’d trust to reboot or redo any movie out there.
He’s better then that to make a remake of movies. It will never happen.
@@Stormshadow612-n8g I heard a rumour that he's planning on remaking Back to the Future Part III. The man loves Westerns...
Would love to see QT do a conan movie. Soloman Kane has a lot of potential too. But really. QTs last movie should be a samurai movie. He's done crime, western, blaxploitation, 70s grindhouse horror, war movie, a mystery/whodunit, kill bill was more of a shaw brothers kung fu epic. He needs a true samurai film and all will be complete. Another dilogy like kill bill would be my dream.
Yeah, Solomon Kane needs a better film too, in the full talk, they talk about Kull of Atlantis and the Robert E. Howard biopic The Whole Wide World, into the bargain.
You basically said he didnt do fantasy so that is what it should be.
@@erikwhitney7403 He’s done plenty of fantasy. Once upon a time and Inglorious Basterds were both fantastical representations. If you mean a medieval euro or Japanese type fantasy, that would be the kind of genre stuff he is known for. That would be great. Who knows, we might get a tv series now. Can’t wait to see what he does, dude is consistent.
@@sweptinblack sword and sorcery is fantasy
@@erikwhitney7403 I agree to disagree. Fantasy is such a broad thing. Even if the type of euro medieval fantasy, there is still high and low fantasy, etc. To be clear though, I agree if you are saying it would be cool to see Tarantino do a sword and magic type fantasy movie.
Only Mel Gibson could direct a proper Conan movie that would also actually be cinematically very good.
That would be fucking incredible. I wish he had gotten to make his viking epic with DiCaprio.
@@RolandDeschain1
Gibson's Viking epic is called "Berzerker". It will happen. Sans sellout DiCaprio.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat Is that currently in production?
@@alphacraig2001
No. But the script is ready. Mel is in pre-production for The Wild Bunch right now.
Good idea!
James Earl Jones, was a great villain in the first one
Tarantino knows more about movies than any other person knows about anything. He gives you rare details on the most obscure things. Part of the reason why he’s the best, but also because he is a master caster and doesn’t take himself too seriously.
Tarantino films have blatant anti-white racism throughout them. His films aren't pro-western, they are propaganda designed to subvert and insult whites. That's as much as a can say on UA-cam. If I started pointing out specific points this comment and my account will get banned by KGBtube
@@TheWestIsDead Bro what the fuck are you talking about?
@@TheWestIsDead Touch grass
He is a sick man who loves violence and harm.
Arnold killed it as Conan.
Cannot fuk with the original Conan movie with Arnold and Basil's soundtrack. Perfection
Joe pretending to know what QT is talking about lmfao
He sure did know; Joe Rogan is a huge Robert E. Howard fan. Quentin essentially admits here that he hasn't been reading Howard as long as Rogan. Looks like Tarantino knows the comics better--though he wrongly calls Gerry Conway the writer of the 70's Conan comics--and Rogan knows Howard himself a little better.
And for what it is worth, Quinton Tarantino forget Belit's name or the title of her introductory story, Queen of the Black Coast. Makes sense that Rogan might not know what he's talking about precisely there. But clearly, they're both legit fans.
Joe brought up Robert E Howard wtf you talkin?
He doesn’t say Gerry Conway wrote a Conan comic in the '70s...although he did write a Conan comic in the '70s. He talks about a Conan comic from the ‘70s, and he also says Conway and Thomas wrote on Conan the Destoryer.
Maybe he's a Sailor Steve Costigan fan rather than Conan because I don't know many Howard Conan fans who haven't read Red Nails.
Robert Rodriquez was long ago rumored to develop a Red Sonja movie that never manifested.
That's because it was back when he was stuffing Rose McGowan and his one requirement was that she star in it. He was of course laughed out of every production office in LA. Then he dumped her and she lost her freaking mind.
I agree wholeheartedly! The Conan kid was spot fucking on. Grace Jones was spot on as well!
Please don't touch anything that is CONAN,Oliver stone was involved in the first Conan,that's why you can't match that, CONAN has black straight hair with blue eyes,if you can't even get that right,you have no business touching a master piece
Robert rodrugez + jason mamoa 👏👍for conan and red sonja
It was an 80s machismo action movie they were all the rage at the time. I know my brother liked it and he liked the comics too. Everyone wants everything gritty and realistic now since Nolans Batman but it just was not always that way.
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Nolan’s Batman was 16 years ago. Time to move on.
80s movies were all the rage in the 80s? Say it ain't so.
Conan is not a product of the 80s at all, Conan is much older, you clearly know nothing about it.
Fuck. Wasn’t expecting the Robert E. Howard drop. The nod to Roy Thomas, Gerry Conway etc. I agree though, no one has approached this right. And if they did it today it would be big and flashy like all that other bullshit out there (i.e. marvel movies). Conan is brooding, dark, atmospheric and bleak. And existing and surviving and making a way through the world despite that. And what studio would agree to a concept like that? Jesus, what I rant I’ve posted…
Lol I like that Quentin appreciate Conan the Destroyer. It is one of first movies I have ever seen in my life if not the first I remember. I was like 3 or 4 years old when I saw it. I definitely saw first black woman in my life in this movie. It has special place for me and I think it is entertaining flick.
I thought Wilt did a nice job
@@Paul-ew5st yeah, i saw the movie few times since then and I actually understood what is happening there later and I do not understand why it has reviews around 5/10. It is not aging well, effects etc, but it has amazing atmosphere, music, it is great fantasy, Grace Jones is amazing. It has Neverending Story vibes kinda. Definitely deserves more than 5/10.
@@johnhorak2000 It suffers from the standard sequel issues. They cut the budget and made it PG instead of R.
Bêlit, the queen of the black coast is what he's referencing. With almost 90 years of Conan material available a script wouldn't be hard. Dark Horse comics did Conan best but now Marvel has the rights again, but apparently Netflix has a series in the works? To do a script you'd only need one Robert E.Howard story combined with two separate comic stories. Combine them into a plot with two subplots. I'd hire Taylor James as Conan instantly. (He played Samson in the most recent film) The guy is perfect for the role.
Alot of people never mention that the original Conan movie was written by Oliver Stone. Hard to top that
Milius heavily edited it though
A film should be made of older conan, when he is on the throne
Legend of Conan with arnold was supposed to be in devolopment
King Conan! 💀🔥⚔️
If they get Ahnold back it should start with him lamenting he has outlived even his own Chronicler. Nice memorial to Mako at the opening.
King Conan
That would be awesome if someone could do a real faithful adaptation of Conan, and Kull, just call it Hyperboria.
Quentin refusing to agree with Joe 3 times in a row😄
I'm sure I'm not the first here to point this out but the story Tarantino is trying to reference here is The Queen Of the Black Coast by Howard. The Marvel comics run that expanded upon the original story lasted from issue #58-100. It was arguably the high point of Roy Thomas's tenure as writer of the series.
Man, that Jason Mamoa Conan movie really was the drizzling shits. SMH…
You must be a wrestling fan with that turn of phrase.
even Mamoa was not too good in it
"Drizzling shits"
Some may call you vulgar.
I say: "wordsmith"
Savage Sword of Conan directed by Tarantino make it happen!
Milius movie is a masterpiece.
Arnold was great.. cool movie
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He was talking about Belit, queen of the Black Coast, and captain of the Tigress.
Oh, man. A Robert Rodriguez Conan movie would be amazing.
Rogan was way over his head on that one…
He was high as F’ and threw a conversation piece about Conan. Ya he was finished the moment he finished the question. In his head was like “oh shit I just let Quinten out of his jar “
Here I thought I was the only one that appreciated Conan the Destroyer 😅 “Blood on your knife...er...I mean...not on your life” 🤣
What would be really great is Quentin making a detective Conan movie.
Heard that man. Would be dope.
Quentin Tarantino's CONAN THE LIBRARIAN (queue Basil's main theme)
Conan: And you know what they call an onigiri in America?
Ran: What do they call it?
Conan: A doughnut.
I was surprised to hear what he said about kid Conan, as I also feel that was by far the best part of the movie
I see his point, but best part of the movie?? Come on man!
damn my thoughts exacly the kid in conan was the best conan ever!! nice to know that one of the world's greatest directors feels the same fuck the aquaman jason momoa was born to play conan
I never thought that quentin tarantino would ever see something that leo howard did, and praise it.
The story is called Queen of the Black Coast and is a Robert E Howard short story.
Why make a REH Conan movie when you have the superior Milius' Conan.
Roy Thomas!
ya the Arnold Conan movie was amazing even though it wasn't like the original stories.. The spirit was still there
Ehhhh...I've never met anyone like Conan in real life. Conan is king material. He's a brutal killer on the battlefield but also cunning and tactical. He's intelligent and worldly, possessing the knowledge of many cultures and the ability to blend into or subjugate groups such as pirates, bandits, and tribals in whatever way suits his goals.
Jason Mamoa seems like the nicest damned guy on the planet and everytime he opens his mouth he makes me think of him less as a badass and more as someone who I'd like to go camping with or call up for a game of pool. I don't know if the guy is smart or not, but I know he's no more "cunning" than John Candy. Arnold is the same way. He's quick to laugh and slow to anger. The guy is a real party animal and just wants to eat, smoke weed, and get laid in all the commentaries you hear him on.
You need someone who looks like Mamoa, but acts sort of like Daniel Craig in Casino Royale. He's a steely-eyed murderer with a quick mind and a way with stealth and politics. The reason people like that usually don't exist is that it takes a lot of time to cultivate all those skills and abilities and most human beings just don't have the time to be that well-rounded, lol.
Sounds like a job for a buffed up young Mads Mikkelsen
I wanna hear QT talk GoT.
Conan is the phyical presence of Alexander Karelin with the charismatic presence ~something~ like a blend of Sandor Clegane and Tormund Giantsbane.
Both of Arnold's Conan movies were great.
As much I love Conan, Arnold was terrible.
all the conan movies suck... none have done justice to reh's work.
Howard had written many stories set in many different time periods and with different characters in the late 1920's. Cowboys, boxers, oil field workers, mercenaries. Conan was one of his last characters and the first story was published in December, 1932. He wrote all the Conan stories in the next three and a half years and committed suicide in June, 1936. The first published Conan story, "The Phoenix on the Sword" was a prior King Kull story which was never published titled "By This Ax I Rule." That story was actually rewritten by Howard. The later pastiche writers, primarily L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Howard took some notes Howard had left turned them into stories. Then they took a lot of the other characters Howard had written, renamed the primary character and turned them into Conan stories. One character was a Spanish Crusader, another was an Arab adventurer in what is now Iran, one was an American mercenary in Africa.
The one problem with the first Arnold Conan movie, when discussing the Robert E Howard "Lore" is the depiction of him being an enslaved child and then this owned gladiator character. In Howard's stories there was one thing that Conan NEVER was. He was never a "slave." Never. He was a captive and imprisoned several times but never a slave. And the only "lore" you get about his youth was he grew up in Cimmeria. His father was the village blacksmith, his mother was pregnant but was wounded trying to save her husband. She gave birth to Conan and then died. No other information about Conan emerges until at the age of fifteen, already a warrior of some note, went over the walls of an Aquilonian outpost of Venarium and participated in sacking it. Years later in Howard's first published Conan story, "The Phoenix on the Sword," Conan is already King of Aquilonia, some 20+ years later, because he is already in his 40's.
queen of the black coast. yes, one of the best conan stuff. this guy has taste.
The first Conan is one of my cult favorites. A remake isn’t necessary.
Robert E. Howard wrote a hundred tales in the Conan universe, there are plenty of stories to tell
1 out of 2 cartoons is really good
not a remake, it should be a series
Tarantino doing Conan, would be 2h of Conan doing unimportant random shit, with a 70s soundtrack.
Don't forget the side characters that add nothing to the plot.
Yoooo some love for Leo Howard (kid Conan)🙌🏾
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I always feel like his being brushed off as a pretty boy.
Conan The Barbarian is a classic, and nobody can match Arnold.
the original conan the barbarian is one of the best movies ive ever watched i think its a good adaptation
My main issue with the 2011 Conan movie is that it suffers from trying to satisfy both the hard-core Robert E. Howard Conan fans and the casual fans who only know Conan from the two Arnie movies and it fails at both. It suffers from the obsession with "motivation" that modern filmmakers and screenwriters have. We did not need the first 20+ minutes of the movie setting up a new origin story for Conan. At the most 5-10 minutes to set up the Hyborian Age and a little montage of Conan's origins being born on the battlefield etc. and then just get into the movie and if you frame it right you may not even need that much. I see Conan being introduced somewhat like they did James Bond. Honestly how much did we really know about Bond's backstory until "Casino Royale" and that was 21 films in. What you need to know about Conan is that he's a wandering barbarian warrior from Cimmeria and then drop him into the action. That being said Jason Mamoa is the closest any actor has ever come to portraying the character as REH wrote him.
Conan the Barbarian is great. But they should do the Hour of the Dragon and do it right!
''The Queen of the Black Coast'' her name was Belit. She was killed by a demon. I completely agree about the Jason Momoa '''Conan'' movie, the opening ten minutes, that kid was Conan. Had they done the whole movie like that, it would have a better movie than the Milius/Schwarzenegger film. As it was, it just fell completely flat. It was almost like a ''Hercules/Xena'' episode.
There can't be another Conan movie cause there won't be another Poledouris
Great point.
Rarely do I disagree with Quentin regarding movies, but this time I do. Conan The Barbarian (1982) was *the* Conan movie, far better than it's sequel Conan the Destroyer. If I had to guess why we disagree, it seems like it is because Quentin's introduction to Conan was through the comic books, while mine was through the old paperbacks.
I want to see a Conan movie starting TECHNOVIKING…
Haha! Quentin Tarantino is one of those dangerous guys, when he's speaking about a film, you suddenly become possessed: "I've got to go and watch that movie (again) immediately!"
Awesome. But that idea: Tarantino or Rodriguez doing a Conan could be brutally good... wonder if we'll see it?
When he went from NBC to TNT was something of a plot twist but to make a feature movie about it
Hey Quentin: the kid who played Conan as a kid, is a well known Spanish actor: Jorge Sanz
The should do "Red Nails" I love that story.
If this man makes this movie it will be an automatic Blockbuster but it's all up to him
We need a King Conan movie about how he conquered Aquilonia.
I always thought the 1st Schwarzenegger one was classic. It stands up even now except for the special effects
I think some of the special effects still hold up well.....like the witch turning into a fireball and soaring off into the night.
I just saw it at the amc. The giant snake scene holds up great. Some fantastic practical effects.
I'd say maybe Dennis Villeneuve would be able to do a good Conan. Qt isn't right for it to me.
I like that movie more then the first. I'd rather watch it then any of qt movies honestly.
@Graham Farrell No I'm old but I like well thought out movies. I'd also take any cohen brothers movie except hail ceaser over anything QT has done. I like pulp fiction and parts of his other movies but they are overated in my opinion.
Hell no. Not that hipster director who does "pretty" pictures. We need someone who can directs blood and guts like Mel Gibson.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I'd take Mel Gibson over 90 percent of directors for Conan. No to aquaman either.
@Graham Farrell After Braveheart, Passion of the Christ and Apocalypto, I really cannot see who could be better than Gibson for this. Another guy who could do this is the director of Bone Tomahawk. He's an independent director but his movies are always on point, badass and visceral and cut to the bone.
I want to see Quentin do something he's never done before...make something different than all of his past work.
All his movies are already completely different from each other. Except kill bills.
@@Stormshadow612-n8g that's what I'm saying!
@@startervisions Star Trek. 😂
@@Stormshadow612-n8g Tarantino goes SciFi!!!
yes a hardcore pornography
Well now that he stopped his talkshow he would be up for it for sure!
Conan the barbarian is an underrated masterpiece
It makes sense that Tarantino would like John Milius.
It makes sence I can breath oxygen....
@@user-dc1dr9kr8x "sense"
@Syntax "troglodytes" ?
Oh my god are you for real?
John Milius is one of the best directors of all times.
Is he a troglodyte because "syntax from the internet" Doesn't share his political views?
@Syntax no dude, i am definitely not simpatico with Milius right wing political views, but his movies are definitely masterpieces. The Lion and the wind, farewell to the king, Conan, big Wednesday.. The guy even wrote apocalypse now , dirty Harry and Jeremiah Johnson.
Hè is a symbol of the New Hollywood.
If you Can't understand his movies, you probably understand nothing at all About movies.
I was hoping you were mad because of his political views but that's not the case, well then i feel sad for You.
@Syntax yeah I'm aggressive and you're a wise movie critic.
I mean it's Not like You started this calling Tarantino and millius "troglodytes".
Nah, it's me who is being aggressive without any reason.
I wish Tarentino would make a Conan, it wouldnt be anything like Milius' version. Tarentino's would be a bit more "camp". But it would be better than nothing.
a true conan story would be fing amazing
Joe is clueless + Promoting Jason Momoa to QT = mess 🤣
I wanted that Sgt. Rock movie Quentin was in the talks to make
QT: "That f**king kid killed it as young Conan"
*Kids name is Leo Howard
QT: *starts getting misty eyes😢
Keep Tarantino away from Robert E Howard material. Keep far far away. Its clear he doesnt know shit about the original stories. Those are masterpieces
Conan , Belit movie would be great. Queen of the black coast.
Oh, not Conan O'Brien. Forget it.
Actually if you read the books, Arnold looks more like Conan than Jason. Broad Chested, thick neck apish arms, Low Brow. The difference that Jason had was in the eyes smoldering(which are suppose to be blue). Jason eyes smolder more than Conan, and he also had the Tiger like moves. But that is it. Arnold looked more like Conan, and even behaved more like Conan. Conan had street smarts for traps fighting etc, but was confused about society laws and was described as looking confused by it. I can see Arnold saying Dog! I am Conan, Cimmerian. I will gut you where you stand. Or Like Arnold said "Enough Talk"
The boy was a Spanish actor called Jorge Sanz.
Jason Mamoa is too much of a Hollywood pretty boy to portray Conan. Look at the artwork of Frank Frazetta on the original Conan novel covers. THAT is the Conan we need to see in a QT or maybe even a Rob Zombie 'Conan' movie. For example the Frazetta 'Conan the Barbarian' or 'Conan the Warrior' covers etc. QT was right about the first few minutes of the Conan movie he was referring to. Even though in the Robert Howard books, Conan was a smart, cunning warrior, with rationale, an ultra violent Conan movie would rock.
Whoever did GOT should do a Conan series... but it has to stick strictly to the source material and no SJW shit that ruined the last season of GOT
I could listen to them talk all day
Imagine A PUNISHER Movie . . . That was his. That would be out of this world awesome
IMO, the dialogues would be too stylized based on his writing and directing style so far. We need someone with Garth Enis, Frank Miller, Alan Moore or Robert Kirkman serious dark toned of story writing cos I'm hoping for Joker and The Dark Knight level of character study, discussing on Frank Castle's mentality.
yes please make these movies quentin
Conan the destroyer is my favorite one.