In this video I answer the question of why I bought an X758 over a 1 series or other X7-- units. Also I address why I bought a new machine over a used one.
I bought a brand new X758 too for my lawn business this year. Why did I buy new? 1. There aren't very many used ones for sale in my region. Used ones are too hard to come by. 2. I have heard the new ones aren't that much more money, 3. I was able to order it set up exactly how I like with the options I want, and 4. I know exactly how it's been maintained and taken care of. Used machines you don't know how they've been maintained and taken care of. I haven't cut any lawns with it yet since I purchased it in January and it's February now but I think I'm going to be happy with it. Just from driving it around it feels real solid and comfortable riding. I can tell it has the weight to keep it planted on the ground.
Though I am a Cub Cadet owner and fan, I have always wanted a X748. I love the way they look and wish they never changed it. That design was my childhood seeing 2, either X748s or X595s mowing at my school when I was in grade school. I got into a lot of trouble for not doing my work while they were out working😂.
Great explanation of the costing on both units, and for the comparison between the X758 and the 1 series. It's an interesting topic of debate. It's neat to see how much the dealer prices vary between locations...it all depends on demand!
Don’t forget insurance at least while under lien. A little bit of cost with that like I know with KUBOTA. BTW Nice machine you got there ! Have a Blessed Day
I thought about mentioning insurance, but it really depends on how you finance it and how your policies work. If you finance through a JD multi-use account you don't need a dedicated insurance policy. If it is an installment loan, it is required to be on an insurance policy,]. The type of policy will depend on your relationship with Deere.
I wouldn't care if buying a diesel made it worth less when it was time to sell. Diesel engines are objectively better; they're built stronger, they burn less fuel, and the fuel is often a bit cheaper. Diesel is also safer if that's a concern since it's less flammable.
If you could only have either the used x748 with the 45 loader or the new x758 without the loader, which one would you keep? I am trying to decide between getting a new x758 and eventually fabricating a subframe for the 45 loader (possibly with the frame cutouts) or just get an older x748 hope that it doesn't have any big problems.
They WILL tear up your yard around the trees. TRUST ME. I have a 2020 x758. Good tires but some people lie and say they wont damage the grass. HORSE FEATHERS
There are a number of people that would like to see an X759. While an AWS unit is not something I need, I think there are a lot of people that love them.
True, but the 1023E is the "basic" model, where the X758 is premium. Meaning the X will have cruise control, tilt wheel, very nice seat and maybe another feature or two. Those are all items you can find on a 1025R, but are missing on the 1023E. I still went for the 1023E because of price and capability, it's still pretty much the same tractor as we 1025R. I think Deere in my area really pushes the 1 series versus the X7. I have never seen a new X7 at my dealership and there are always 1023E's and 1025R's.
Since I was going for the broadest discussion I opted to avoid discussing the 1023E. In terms of units sold the 1023E is a minority of sales and when you research on forums and Facebook the average discussion is "X758 or 1025R". The 1023E certainly has its place but I think for the context of this discussion the 1025R was the appropriate direction to go. BUT, maybe I am wrong?
@@mmrbeef I think to keep it simple, that was the comparable route because like I had responded to one comment, the 1023 doesn't have some of the "comfort" features the X7 has. Also my purchase was one of luck and timing, dumb timing because I didn't know, but now they, the 1023E's are routinely now $15,000 or more with loader (but without deck), which is how they are almost always sold and packaged around here. And I am surprised at a $2500 premium, that so many jump on the 1025R verse the 1023E. They are basically the same tractor. The one notable difference minus creature comforts is the engine, 1.3 L vs 1.0L, but at that size tractor, I'm not sure that's a big deal.
I think the 1023E and the x758 are the same price basically in my leg work of getting quotes. I got a quote of a 1023E with 120R loader for $13,000 plus tax. I got 2 quotes from 2 competing JD dealerships on a 1025r with 120R loader and one out the door price was $16,400 and the other was $16,456.11
When I bought my 1023E in Sept 2019, it was a 2018 and I got the tractor, loader and 54" deck for $13,300, which made going with a X758 crazy, no loader and it was still more money. I really like garden tractors, but JD made that decision for me because of price. The X758 at that time was in the $14,000 range and had no rear pto, 3 point of loader. To be fair, my 1023E was a year hold over, but either way, it was a deal I couldn't pass up. And like Sam said, they have the same engine.
@@FloridaDeere I agree, I like the JD garden tractors but the price of them compared to a 1 series plus you get a loader, 3 point hitch and to me the possibilities are endless with a 1 series vs a x7.
@@derek7837 yep, that's why I went to the "dark side" LOL, I still have a pair of 140's and a 322 though, because while Deere fever isn't as strong with me as it is with Kyle, I still got it.
I also posted this as a response to another commenter. Since I was going for the broadest discussion I opted to avoid discussing the 1023E. In terms of units sold the 1023E is a minority of sales and when you research on forums and Facebook the average discussion is "X758 or 1025R". I think your comparison of the 1023E and the X748 price wise is a good one and maybe I should have approached it that way? The 1023E certainly has its place but I think for the context of this discussion the 1025R was the appropriate direction to go. BUT, maybe I am wrong?
@@mmrbeef I think your comparison was very fair and was surprised the two were even that close and what I also thought was fair was you adding the rear pto and 3 point to the X758 to make it an apples to apples comparison since the 1025 will come standard with those. That crunched up the price difference quite a bit, but like you mentioned, I think each has it's niche. I think for us down South with no snow blowing, the AWD won't be as needed down here and if you have a lot of grass to mow, you get a dare I say it, a zero turn. I like the jack of all trades Super GT's and SCUT's but to each his own. I really would have preferred to stay inside the GT world, but the price difference at that time was too compelling for a cheapskate like me, LOL!
He didn't. It was $13.950, so $50 short of $14k. More than likely actually was over $14k by the time he got out the door with it (taxes, dealer fees, etc).
The $13,950 is the price for the tractor and deck. It excludes taxes. Adding taxes, delivery (if charged) and other fees depending on the dealer, state, and municipality will cause variation in the price and it not a fair representation of the actual price of the machine.
This is a problem with my camera..... I think I have it fixed for the next video. I have fixed it several times but it keeps returning to the 4:3 format during recording.
For my uses I don’t think so. Granted in all honesty I’ve never been a huge fan of AWS units. They are great for folks that need to trim around a lot of objects. For our use, an AWS system is just one more moving component that wears.
Absolutely! Everyone's situation is different, I hope I did a decent job at portraying that in this situation. I think as I run through these videos it will make more and more sense why I went with a new X758. One of the videos I will do in the future is a direct comparisons between the X758, X748, and 455. I'm still gathering my thoughts on these comparisons so it will be a few weeks to a month at minimum until I get them out.
@@mmrbeef That tractor will never ever make you think you made the wrong decision.In the garden tractor world when it comes to deere, $ for $ they have no equal in my opinion but then again like you,I bleed John Deere green hahaha
I’ll have to pass on a zero turn. I have always been underwhelmed by there performance on hills, wet grass, and lack of multi-use. My 1445 front mount mower just just as fast as a 997, will mow hills, and move snow. Zero turns work great for some people but I am just not a fan.
This is why you pay cash for it. Especially if you find a private seller, chances are, they'll have a hard time resisting greenies under their nose and will be willing to come down on their price at least a little bit. I'd gladly take a $4k discount for a used machine with ~200 hours on it over a new one any day!
It's all about your life situation and individual decisions. Private sellers are more prone to take a discount IF you have the cash. It's always hard for me to justify spending cash on items that will loose value. $10,000 a year ago invested would be worth $11,000-12,000 today. Meanwhile $10,000 used to purchase a machine a year ago would be worth $9,000 today. Each year that gap gets wider and wider, until you sell the machine. Say you sell the machine in 5 years when it is worth an estimated $6,000, during the same 5 years you achieved 8% ROI which would give you $14,600. That is a net difference of ~$8,500. The math gets much more muddy from that point going forward to calculate the actual cost of the machine in question and the opportunity cost of the cash expense up front. This is why options exist! We can do both and everyone can make their own decision.
@@mmrbeef That's known as the "borrow your way to prosperity" method. The biggest problems with that are that you are a slave to payments weather you have an income or not; it excludes risk; it assumes you're actually investing the difference (which hardly anyone does) - and getting a solid rate of return on it; and it doesn't negate the fact that the tractor loses the same amount of value regardless of how you paid for it. Since tractor depreciation is identical either way, it basically boils down taking out a loan to invest the money. This is known as "invest-a-loan". The only thing your tractor provides in this situation is collateral if you fail to make payments. Personally, I think the market will more or less stagnate for a while once the rona excitement passes. Over the last 365 days, you should have gotten WAY more than 8% as the Nasdaq did nearly 50%!!! That's a spike if I ever saw one and we all know what happens after a spike....
sweetbeef u go mahindra u never deere up gain boyhodey I am looking for aftermarket blades for my mahindra emax25m-2514 60 inch mower deck model AEMAHME60. blade oem part number AME050008. 21 INCH BLADES WITH A 5/8 INCH CENTER HOLE
I would agree the audio isn’t the best and a mic would be great. Perhaps in the future a better way to put a comment like that, “the audio quality of your video isn’t the best, I would suggest getting a mic”. Couple more words to type, but certainly comes across with less anger. Just a thought.
I bought a brand new X758 too for my lawn business this year. Why did I buy new? 1. There aren't very many used ones for sale in my region. Used ones are too hard to come by. 2. I have heard the new ones aren't that much more money, 3. I was able to order it set up exactly how I like with the options I want, and 4. I know exactly how it's been maintained and taken care of. Used machines you don't know how they've been maintained and taken care of.
I haven't cut any lawns with it yet since I purchased it in January and it's February now but I think I'm going to be happy with it. Just from driving it around it feels real solid and comfortable riding. I can tell it has the weight to keep it planted on the ground.
Though I am a Cub Cadet owner and fan, I have always wanted a X748. I love the way they look and wish they never changed it. That design was my childhood seeing 2, either X748s or X595s mowing at my school when I was in grade school. I got into a lot of trouble for not doing my work while they were out working😂.
Well done and thank you for sharing. You obviously put a lot of effort into this.
Great explanation of the costing on both units, and for the comparison between the X758 and the 1 series. It's an interesting topic of debate. It's neat to see how much the dealer prices vary between locations...it all depends on demand!
Don’t forget insurance at least while under lien. A little bit of cost with that like I know with KUBOTA. BTW Nice machine you got there ! Have a Blessed Day
I thought about mentioning insurance, but it really depends on how you finance it and how your policies work. If you finance through a JD multi-use account you don't need a dedicated insurance policy. If it is an installment loan, it is required to be on an insurance policy,]. The type of policy will depend on your relationship with Deere.
I wouldn't care if buying a diesel made it worth less when it was time to sell. Diesel engines are objectively better; they're built stronger, they burn less fuel, and the fuel is often a bit cheaper. Diesel is also safer if that's a concern since it's less flammable.
When maintained, they last way longer than a gasser
If you could only have either the used x748 with the 45 loader or the new x758 without the loader, which one would you keep? I am trying to decide between getting a new x758 and eventually fabricating a subframe for the 45 loader (possibly with the frame cutouts) or just get an older x748 hope that it doesn't have any big problems.
Can you tell me anything about the windmill in the video? It is a beauty.
HDAP Tires, gotta love em !
They WILL tear up your yard around the trees. TRUST ME. I have a 2020 x758. Good tires but some people lie and say they wont damage the grass. HORSE FEATHERS
I would get a X759 only if they were a real thing. but that’s the reason why i went with the x739 because of the steering, and the 4WS and the 4WD.
There are a number of people that would like to see an X759. While an AWS unit is not something I need, I think there are a lot of people that love them.
The X758 might be more comparable to the 1023e since they share the same engine.
True, but the 1023E is the "basic" model, where the X758 is premium. Meaning the X will have cruise control, tilt wheel, very nice seat and maybe another feature or two. Those are all items you can find on a 1025R, but are missing on the 1023E. I still went for the 1023E because of price and capability, it's still pretty much the same tractor as we 1025R. I think Deere in my area really pushes the 1 series versus the X7. I have never seen a new X7 at my dealership and there are always 1023E's and 1025R's.
Since I was going for the broadest discussion I opted to avoid discussing the 1023E. In terms of units sold the 1023E is a minority of sales and when you research on forums and Facebook the average discussion is "X758 or 1025R". The 1023E certainly has its place but I think for the context of this discussion the 1025R was the appropriate direction to go. BUT, maybe I am wrong?
@@mmrbeef I think to keep it simple, that was the comparable route because like I had responded to one comment, the 1023 doesn't have some of the "comfort" features the X7 has. Also my purchase was one of luck and timing, dumb timing because I didn't know, but now they, the 1023E's are routinely now $15,000 or more with loader (but without deck), which is how they are almost always sold and packaged around here. And I am surprised at a $2500 premium, that so many jump on the 1025R verse the 1023E. They are basically the same tractor. The one notable difference minus creature comforts is the engine, 1.3 L vs 1.0L, but at that size tractor, I'm not sure that's a big deal.
Shows 2 things. Good dealer financing options and that John Deere holds their value.
I think the 1023E and the x758 are the same price basically in my leg work of getting quotes. I got a quote of a 1023E with 120R loader for $13,000 plus tax. I got 2 quotes from 2 competing JD dealerships on a 1025r with 120R loader and one out the door price was $16,400 and the other was $16,456.11
When I bought my 1023E in Sept 2019, it was a 2018 and I got the tractor, loader and 54" deck for $13,300, which made going with a X758 crazy, no loader and it was still more money. I really like garden tractors, but JD made that decision for me because of price. The X758 at that time was in the $14,000 range and had no rear pto, 3 point of loader. To be fair, my 1023E was a year hold over, but either way, it was a deal I couldn't pass up. And like Sam said, they have the same engine.
@@FloridaDeere I agree, I like the JD garden tractors but the price of them compared to a 1 series plus you get a loader, 3 point hitch and to me the possibilities are endless with a 1 series vs a x7.
@@derek7837 yep, that's why I went to the "dark side" LOL, I still have a pair of 140's and a 322 though, because while Deere fever isn't as strong with me as it is with Kyle, I still got it.
I also posted this as a response to another commenter. Since I was going for the broadest discussion I opted to avoid discussing the 1023E. In terms of units sold the 1023E is a minority of sales and when you research on forums and Facebook the average discussion is "X758 or 1025R". I think your comparison of the 1023E and the X748 price wise is a good one and maybe I should have approached it that way? The 1023E certainly has its place but I think for the context of this discussion the 1025R was the appropriate direction to go. BUT, maybe I am wrong?
@@mmrbeef I think your comparison was very fair and was surprised the two were even that close and what I also thought was fair was you adding the rear pto and 3 point to the X758 to make it an apples to apples comparison since the 1025 will come standard with those. That crunched up the price difference quite a bit, but like you mentioned, I think each has it's niche. I think for us down South with no snow blowing, the AWD won't be as needed down here and if you have a lot of grass to mow, you get a dare I say it, a zero turn. I like the jack of all trades Super GT's and SCUT's but to each his own. I really would have preferred to stay inside the GT world, but the price difference at that time was too compelling for a cheapskate like me, LOL!
How did you get an x758 for $13k? I was quoted yesterday $14k with a 54 inch deck.
He got 7% off msrp
He didn't. It was $13.950, so $50 short of $14k. More than likely actually was over $14k by the time he got out the door with it (taxes, dealer fees, etc).
The $13,950 is the price for the tractor and deck. It excludes taxes. Adding taxes, delivery (if charged) and other fees depending on the dealer, state, and municipality will cause variation in the price and it not a fair representation of the actual price of the machine.
@@mmrbeef I was quoted $14,500 before tax.
They sip deisel Use about half compared to gas ... X748
Now all you need is a 430!
Could you please change the recording format? It won’t go full screen
This is a problem with my camera..... I think I have it fixed for the next video. I have fixed it several times but it keeps returning to the 4:3 format during recording.
Had Deere made a Diesel 4WD AWS presumably an X759 would you have gone for that instead or stuck with the X758?
For my uses I don’t think so. Granted in all honesty I’ve never been a huge fan of AWS units. They are great for folks that need to trim around a lot of objects. For our use, an AWS system is just one more moving component that wears.
The only thing I do not like about John Deere $ for parts ..
Buy things that suit your life situations not others, Jd 455 still going.
Absolutely! Everyone's situation is different, I hope I did a decent job at portraying that in this situation. I think as I run through these videos it will make more and more sense why I went with a new X758. One of the videos I will do in the future is a direct comparisons between the X758, X748, and 455. I'm still gathering my thoughts on these comparisons so it will be a few weeks to a month at minimum until I get them out.
1 series loader is much more capable than the x series. I should have bought a 1 series instead of X748/45loader
I really need to do a comparison between the 1 series and the X series!!
You made the right decision for you and your wife and the bottom line is that’s all that matters
Yes, hopefully one of the things I demonstrated in the video is every situation is different. For us, a new machine was the right call.
@@mmrbeef That tractor will never ever make you think you made the wrong decision.In the garden tractor world when it comes to deere, $ for $ they have no equal in my opinion but then again like you,I bleed John Deere green hahaha
Get a Zero turn for mowing.
I’ll have to pass on a zero turn. I have always been underwhelmed by there performance on hills, wet grass, and lack of multi-use. My 1445 front mount mower just just as fast as a 997, will mow hills, and move snow. Zero turns work great for some people but I am just not a fan.
Yata,Yata,Yata.........But does the wife like it ?.........lol
She certainly seems to! I'll provide a full report in a month or so. Due to schedules I've put more hours on it this week than her.
This is why you pay cash for it. Especially if you find a private seller, chances are, they'll have a hard time resisting greenies under their nose and will be willing to come down on their price at least a little bit. I'd gladly take a $4k discount for a used machine with ~200 hours on it over a new one any day!
It's all about your life situation and individual decisions. Private sellers are more prone to take a discount IF you have the cash. It's always hard for me to justify spending cash on items that will loose value. $10,000 a year ago invested would be worth $11,000-12,000 today. Meanwhile $10,000 used to purchase a machine a year ago would be worth $9,000 today. Each year that gap gets wider and wider, until you sell the machine. Say you sell the machine in 5 years when it is worth an estimated $6,000, during the same 5 years you achieved 8% ROI which would give you $14,600. That is a net difference of ~$8,500. The math gets much more muddy from that point going forward to calculate the actual cost of the machine in question and the opportunity cost of the cash expense up front. This is why options exist! We can do both and everyone can make their own decision.
@@mmrbeef That's known as the "borrow your way to prosperity" method. The biggest problems with that are that you are a slave to payments weather you have an income or not; it excludes risk; it assumes you're actually investing the difference (which hardly anyone does) - and getting a solid rate of return on it; and it doesn't negate the fact that the tractor loses the same amount of value regardless of how you paid for it. Since tractor depreciation is identical either way, it basically boils down taking out a loan to invest the money. This is known as "invest-a-loan". The only thing your tractor provides in this situation is collateral if you fail to make payments.
Personally, I think the market will more or less stagnate for a while once the rona excitement passes. Over the last 365 days, you should have gotten WAY more than 8% as the Nasdaq did nearly 50%!!! That's a spike if I ever saw one and we all know what happens after a spike....
sweetbeef u go mahindra u never deere up gain boyhodey I am looking for aftermarket blades for my mahindra emax25m-2514 60 inch mower deck model AEMAHME60. blade oem part number AME050008. 21 INCH BLADES WITH A 5/8 INCH CENTER HOLE
Buy a mic. Audio sucks
I would agree the audio isn’t the best and a mic would be great. Perhaps in the future a better way to put a comment like that, “the audio quality of your video isn’t the best, I would suggest getting a mic”. Couple more words to type, but certainly comes across with less anger. Just a thought.