Ni, Se, Ne and Si Speech Patterns
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The way you perceive ideas affects how you talk about them. Learn about the Ni convergent, Se exploratory, Ne divergent and Si compartmental speech patterns in this video!
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Se was spot on. People usually mistake explorating speech (even if concrete) with purely Ne. Also, I've seen lots of people getting mistyped as Ne dom/aux because they mention war or technology development.
Same username , i thought i wrote that at the beginning and then forgot about it lol
This was so helpful!
Please do Fi/Te and Ti/Fe speech patterns next!
-ISTJ (thanks for tickling my Ne)
Yeah my Ne is being tickled too 😂
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ti/fe and fi/te speech patterns aren't really a thing because they are the judging functins
@@livelaughsol7066what does that mean?
The thumbnail itself is wonderful! Never seen such a clear explanation of functions in just one picture!
As an ISFP (Se, Ni), I often struggle with staying Coherent and cohesive while writing an essay or smth.. Like, I just can't group all the things I'm writing about in a pattern that makes sense..
Might be an issue of lower/less developed Te tbh... direct and conciese communication and confidence in ideas is a big part of Te afterall.
@@Alice-si8uz true all the Cs I've got from essays were usually 'couse I didn't read the books I was writing about.. 😅 MB
As someone who has inferior Si I struggle with the same thing. I struggle with organising and splitting ideas into categories because there's just too many info. I don't think this issue is related to extroverted perceving functions tho but has more to do with less developed extroverted thinking which somebody said here
That Ne is very confusing to me. They mention pushing people apart, and then go onto slimmer phones? I guess they mean that the slimmer phones make them easier to carry around, and thus people will be on their phones more instead of interacting with each other?
BTW, you typed me as ENFJ.
In that example, the slimmer phones thing would be an Si detailed observation under the umbrella of "tech," which might lead Ne to divert to a new idea. Interesting that your Ni actually found a plausible reason for the connection though!
Simply put: Ne is expansive and is exploring the Meta-physical world and continues to question it from a new angle until it gets interupted, stuck, bored or fatiqed. Ne is discovering the many potential future patterns of anything it finds interesting. Ne’s limit comes from Si vast experience. Meaning if Si have no past history or info on anything Ne tends to loose momentum in that line of topic and jumps to another one. Ne likes flow. What’s confusing about Ne is that it is talking about many anbstract topics that a Se & Ni wants to narrow down in a concrete manner where Ne exspanse it. Ni & Se almost always shuts down the flow of Ne users talking, it’s frustrating.
Yes I’m a Ne user.
Another thing is also that Ni & Se speechpatterns are direct, and Ne & Si is informative. Very different.
In the example, technology pushing people apart and slimmer phones do not have much of a connection apart from both being under the topic of "technology". That's how loose Ne-Si connections are sometimes, they can easily jump from one topic to another without the topics being closely related. It's like "association", or "X reminds me of Y".
@@amyloves_snsd Yes. Ne seems to associate a lot. Especially many analogies comes from Ne.
Ni-Se users don't have problem "extrapolating" for the sake of extrapolation as long as it is the agenda.
But since we're talking about technology pushing people apart, an Ni-Se user would be very quick citing concrete examples: toxic dating/hookup sites, violent children games, compulsive-buying inducing e-commerce sites, creepy surveillance/monitoring apps, bots counterfeiting public opinion, etc...
That's a very interesting topic. As an Ne user i can really relate to the divergent pattern of speech.
Sorry, I can't help thinking that the Ni/Se picture looks like the coronavirus.
Hahaha you beat me to the punch, was gonna say the same thing
The "virus" doesn't look like that.
It is a public official-narrative scam, like the rest of it
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I have many friends who had coronavirus here in Spain, one of them even continues with no smell, the virus is obviously real, which reasons could be to lost money in measures for an inexistent virus?. Also a friend of my mother works with laboratory samples of the virus, I don't know why people believe in those conspracy theories.
And yes, I thought the same when I saw the Ni/Se picture
@@laomedeia5957 They cannot know what they have, unless it is proven to exist in isolation. Also, what tool/test was used to tell that it was sars cov2? :)
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson Everything can be refuted logically, I mean, the whole existence can be refuted logically but it doesn't mean that reality isn't real, I can't prove that coronavirus is real because I can't see it because it's just a virus, but the reasons for saying that it exists if it doesn't are so surrealistic and, if you start thinking about the reasons that people give for that, they are even more difficult to prove than the existence of a virus which all the scientific community agrees that exists.
I’m INFP and my spouse is INTJ, and having Ne/Si and Ni/Se is a blessing and a curse. Overall it leads to stimulating conversations as we both bring different approaches to ideas, but occasionally my tendency to bounce off the walls and tangent into seemingly unrelated ideas can be frustrating for her and then I feel stifled because I want the freedom to make all of those Ne connections. So it’s funny because the same functions that make for good conversation and exploring ideas can at other times be the thing that causes friction.
This was so on point. As Ni Se, you described my speech pattern very well.
thank you for the thumbnail i fucking kept searching schemes to understand cognitive functions better omg you save me
Enjoyed the video!
I think as an Ni/Se I have to be careful not to *only * see the sensory details that fit my big picture. And to realize the details make the whole. If a detail *feels* off, that doesn’t necessarily mean it is.
And it seems Si/Ne would need to be careful to realize Ne is surface and Si can give biased information and a sometimes things can *seem* correlates when they aren’t.
I think I relate to Se more because I also started to say things like oh " global warming, technology, war maybe ? " just a lot of these things and I thought oh right I'm probably Ne because I just started thinking and listing random stuff instead of being idk concrete, whatever Se is about and honestly I got suprised ? I related to Se here, listing stuff, all connected to that one prompt " what will world look like ", and just generating things from there. I never thought about Se as my function because I'm super clumsy lol but now it's more clear I'm probably ISFP.
JFC do I know this difference, lol. Didn't realize this was a dynamic w/ people until I spent a lot of time talking about life w/ my INFJ wife. (INTP here) Now I see it in people constantly. It's fascinating how often people are just totally talking over each other and at each other about completely different topics and neither of them realize it.
SO MANY annoyances we (Her and I) cause each other are exclusively due to Si-Ne VS Se-Ni. Topics that don't seem real to me are the only topics that seem real to her and vice versa. Topic changes throw her off, NOT changing topics throws ME off! So often we have to stop and just ask "Wait, what are we talking about?" to each other, lol. Usually when I try to connect a topic to an idea I'm having and to her it seems like I just jumped off a cliff in our convo topic that I thought was already over but apparently she was just starting it.
Plus, it's amazing how "past culture blind" she often is. She can tell what fashions are NOW, for example, but then when I say something like "You know how everyone was wearing plaid in 2003?" Or "So you remember when yoyos made that come-back awhile back?" and she'll go ".... No?", etc. This happens constantly. Apparently she doesn't put those general global vibe stuff in a filing cabinet for retrieval in the future like I do, lol.
I realized as an adult my ENTJ dad and my INFP mom have this dynamic too. They just don't realize it and keep bickering. MBTI has allowed my wife and I to tailor our approach for each other so it rarely gets to the point of conflict. And explains why my convos w/ my dad never seemed to really make much sense to me, growing up. He's just ALWAYS want to bring things back to concrete details that just simply don't interest me. (Even worse with Te VS Ti doms. He's so results oriented it straight up confuses me. He just cannot stop talking about the news and weather, lol. And I almost never care.)
Before understanding the Functions I truly believed that people who were talking about Concrete details and/or talking about the same thing without linking it to other concepts were lost in some dissociative state of hellish boredom and would be relieved when I helped the conversation get “interesting” again with my Ne talk.
And yes, understanding the Functions saves relationships! I am an ENFP with an INTP partner. I have not known an INTP/INFJ couple
I was just today explaining my absence of Extraverted Feeling to my INFJ friend today. It was a great talk.
Interesting topic - and I do definitely notice these sorts of speech patterns in people around me. I'm not sure about my own though, because I seem to have both the Ni and Ne patterns.
You're most likely Ni dominant. INFJs have really hard time distinguishing between those functions because, they "use both" all the time. One way to be sure if you have a strong Ni is a definitive speech with a sense of urgency and gravity.
It's because INFJs tend to use their Ti which pushes them to going into further detail about each point to be sure to keep people's attention and comprehension. This can lead to look like Ne patterns.
@@savagebuck divergent thinking and convergent thinking work in tandem. It’s necessary to initially use divergent thinking to facilitate convergent thinking. That’s why I think ni users confuse themselves with ne users. Bc divergent thinking can appear like ne
I agree compartmentalized is the key word.. Se do have accurate memories but it's not compartmentalized in the cabinets you mentioned... For Si it's like categorization, while Ne finds parallels between those categories
Also I think there's been this ideas floating around about Ti that's actually describing Si more in regard to "truth", "relativity" and language. I think some confusions come from here
Wow, mind blowing bc I literally thought the exact same thing you mentioned those Ni-Se axis people would be saying (specifically Ni-convergent ones). Now I am pretty sure about my type.
I notice I only tangent when I feel really lonely, because I'm so consumed by my thoughts that I simply accumulate so much I want to talk about and want the other person to understand because these thoughts and the things I created from these ponderings really matter to me. The problem is that they seem very strange and obscure and some require context. I feel somewhat foreign yet excited and worried that I have little time to find someone who actually cares about these things and might understand. I blurt out and tangent, conflicted in my attempt at conveying my message and simply venting my thoughts and finding emotional satisfaction and connection
Unrelated, but I'm now at the Ne/Si part and your first point made me feel uncomfortable and weird. It reminded me of how I often feel foreign and uncomfortable with separating parts of myself. I usually try to boil things down as little as possible and try to conjoin them all in some way even if I feel I need to separate them in some way for someone else. However, finding more people who are willing to understand makes me feel less like I'm forced into this strange box.
Lol I'm supposed to be infp but when you mentioned the question I only said that everything will get worse in a way or another
Out of topic but the moment ur cat appeared in the back i giggled
Thank you, this is so helpful and well said- fellow infp :)
Wow I thought I was Ni Se for a long time as typed as INFJ. When I started my self development I kept getting typed as INFP! Which frustrated me because I thought "no I am more Ni etc..." as time has gone on and as I have kept getting the result as INFP I realise that I think I do operate under Ne Si 😱
i answered the question before i hit play and i was flabbergasted at how painfully Ni my speech pattern was.
Thank you so much for this clarification. I was so sure I was an isfp but I also felt like I had Ne as my default but this helped understand that I am I dead an isfp:)
Similar to how Si organizes data from the past and Ne connects the dots between those data points, would you say that Ni organizes patterns/concepts from the past to relate back to present data gathered by Se and make a strong prediction for the future?
In other words, would you say that Si is like a database of concrete experiences while Ni is like a database of patterns and concepts?
Yeah exactly. I'll add that Si subjectivizes these concrete experiences. I discuss this concept in depth in my voiceover videos about the perceiving functions :)
@@CasualCognition omg thank you for responding you just made my day 😊❤️
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This is a good topic... thx for the video
I disagree that celebrities cannot be typed via interviews. No matter who, people cannot completely hide their personalities and their preferences would reflect through their speech. I have been able to easily type celebrities this way, and I double checked with typing websites and oftenly the answers match.
Very useful
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Great video. I watched your videos on the functions in all 8 slots and I really enjoyed those.
What I'm trying to say is I like your videos :)
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👋 Warmest regards from an INTP
I would agree with the Ni-Se pattern for people with Se higher in their stack, but I think high Ni users would have a bit more of that Si-style specificity when giving examples, particularly if there's Te in the mix.
This was awwwwwwesome!!!!!
Kanye West interviews are filled with Ne/Si
No wonder I understand him so well, we have the same functions
From what I've noticed is that if you have autism and adhd then your speech will sound concrete but in a ne way, but because ofa autism, it can sound a mix of si and ni too because autism prefers to have one option in things like ni they wnat the one truth, and they crave familarity. But with adhd, it gives you strong ne that makes you jump topic to topic. So basically audhd people struggle more figuring out their cogntiive function.
I was just talking about this today about someone I know but I put it at linear Vers non linear thinking ( though your beautiful appreciation of everyone makes for a better description) with she being non linear and an Enfp I must check .....and voila there you go Carl Jung was a genius if only I knew about this 20 years ago I could have saved myself much pain and MISERY 😭😭😭
I love this vid! :)
Great point on how these differ.
So people speak as they think.
You need an ENTJ… to boost your productivity xD
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1D Brain: Future is going to get worse (line go down)
2D Brain: Future is going to get better (line go up)
3D Brain: Future is going to generally get better with some down spikes (line trend up, a few crashes here and there)
17D Brain: Future is going to look like the equation sin(cos(tan(x))) = (tan(cos(tan(y)))*y)/2 (line go funny)
1000D Brain: Future is going to look (there is no line)
I wonder. Do you have an INTJ in your team who have helped you with empirical typing and with the sentence type and speech patterns? Because your method seems to be relating with mine very much to the point that I'm surprised.
Which types do these apply to? What do I and e mean, basically?
Hello do you guys have a community group that helps people find their type through via zoom or video footage for typing? I am constantly mistyped on online tests and wanted to know if you could help? Thank you so much for the MBTI content it’s helped me so much already!
Hi John, you can send in a video of yourself for paid assessment on my website empiricalpersonality.com. You can also join our Discord community through any tier on Patreon, though that would just be chatting with me and others.
Can you make a portuguese subtitle?
I break down things and explain them each separately but then connect the end results of each explanation together to get the general idea, but during my explanations I'll probably use a lot of references and also could link something with something else but they'll have in common the subject of the conversation but not necessarily the same origin system. For example, I may say "literally" in my phrase and then I quickly think of a meme that had "literally" in it and then just throw it in and then come back to what I was saying. That can also make me a not so good conclusive person because I have already made the general idea known during the entire speech so closing it with a conclusion may be not very deep, so usually I use thesis statement for a conclusion. Do you get it? What am I?
im no professional at mbti but maybe Ni?
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Me, too.
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And one day the sun will engulf the earth, and I'm glad I won't be here for that.
INFP... I think 😂
Why can’t Ne/ Si talk about deep stuff and conceptual stuff like Ni/Se’s do?
Ne-Si user here. Can you give an example of what you mean by “deep and conceptual” and how you would think through or talk through that line of thinking? What kind of responses would you be expecting back from the other person involved, and the way they formulate their thoughts on said topic?
you've got it the other way round 💀many philosophers and theoretical scientists are Ne users, for example; Albert Einstein, an INTP
Hello, an ENFJ here
I just wanna kiss your face :3