BT-MOTO ECU flash on 2023 Honda Goldwing - SECOND ATTEMPT | Cruiseman's Garage
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- We take a second attempt and installing the BT-Moto ECU Flash onto Tom Miller's 2023 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT. Will it work this time?
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Hi Cruiseman, thank you for all of your help! Great video. One day I hope to be able to create videos 1/10 as good as yours.
This is the reason I did not go to work for NASA. Walmart checkout is not this challenging. I'm so glad you guys worked this out. Congratulations, Tom.
😂Awesome Mac!
Wow! Quite involved but I love it. Waiting for my fuel pump recall to be resolved and I am going to NASA. Lol. If it was another brand we would be changing pipes and filters to have this much of an improvement. Sign me up. This isn’t for everyone of course but happy to have the option. Thanks for the time and effort. Appreciated. Thank you and Tom. No popping wheelies Tom. Ride safe.
Wow what a process start to finish. Thank you Tom for being the test pilot here! Clearly there is benefit... now, is there $800 of benefit? Well that's a personal decision. :-) Ride Safe Tom!
Tom you are awesome! Love your enthusiasm. The bike’s a beast in Sport mode without the flash. To heap on more power and smooth out that power is a level up in refinement. Nice work here Team. Great job on the video production as always Cruise.
I just ordered mine to be shipped directly to me! Thanks for blazing the trail!!!
Very interesting Cruiseman. I had the ECU flashed on my Honda CRF300L and it was a noticeable improvement including resolving the twitchy throttle that motorcycle had. The ECU flash made the CRF300 feel like its got more torque now even with the stock exhaust. Thank you.
Wow, crazy process! I’ve used Vance and Hines and HD Pro Tuner. Took 5 min tops!! lol
A Mac with Paralells is a whole different animal. I’m glad I keep a Windows machine around for the things that are not Mac compatible. Thanks for the Demo!
Thanks for the good feedback and while the video does make it seem complicated - I promise in general I have a very low rate of people who need help on install. Of course we are available as needed for troubleshooting/support help and I log into a few customer computers per week to get software issues resolved (usually related to anti virus software blocking drivers).
Chris
What always amazes me, is what type of testing was done in high altitude, cold weather, desert weather..etc etc. to ensure proper responses…ymmv good luck….
Similar tuning process for GM Duramax trucks nowadays.
This video would be MUCH BETTER with two things:
1. Keep his damn hand away from the device, until it requests an input or action, and
2. Zoom in enough that the screen is readable by a normal person, so we can see as well as "listen along" to the narration.
I’ve flashed a few BMWs. Was always straightforward. 😮
Flashed bikes and cars and its a simple process, I would steer clear of this provider
Hi Chris, hope your cruise goes well. This is for the new DYI GoldWing people. I just changed my oil and filters. The local dealer was out of the DCT filter so I picked up a Wix 57671, which looks better than the Honda, anyway for the people who ignored how it came apart, The instructions in the box are 100% backward. They have you put the spring in first, the filter upside down then the cap. I don't see this working out very well for the new guy!! Ps the o ring is included with the Wix filter. Why can't Honda do that?
Great tip!
I will say I don’t think it is worth the money or the trouble. Try reading the instructions and follow the instructions.
Sure does look complicated, but the performance change might help the bike. Robert is correct in that 800 $ is a bit steep Great info, Chris, thanks. Be safe Max has come out with a pretty good video on how to flash the bike with a new program. I can see why you guys had such a time with it. It doesn't seem like the institutions are user-friendly.
WOW! Just, wow. They must charge extra for the process. (J/K)
My only experience is with sport bikes and nakeds, but it's always been:
1. Disconnect/unplug ECM (or ECU if you prefer).
2. Remove ECM from bike and overnight ship to tuner.
3. Tuner flashes ECM and return ships within two business days.
4. Receive newly flashed ECM, reinstall and plug back in.
5. DONE, go for a ride.
Oh, and going rate for a mail-in ECM flash without a full on-site dyno tune is only $300.
Getting to the ECM on a Honda Goldwing is a job.
Just a little info. I was having lots of trouble, but it was a software problem. Steven with B-T Moto was very helpful. After several attempts to update the handheld and it not working I did finally discover my USB port on the computer was not working properly. After updating the handheld everything began to work. I just uploaded the file from my bike to BT moto. Looking forward to Tomorow.
Wow that is a long and scary process
This is why I stick to analog bikes! I like the set it and forget it approach. That's why I never liked bikes with ride modes or active suspension. Looks like a fun project if that's someone's thing 🙂
Just what exactly is this supposed to address? As far as i can tell the fuelling on my 23 is excellent.
More power in Tour mode, shifts at higher RPMs. Smoother throttle delivery in Sport mode and higher RPM shifting. Results in more HP throughout the range. It may also improve mileage, but that has not been tested yet,. Also, eliminates the 105mph top speed limiter.
Is it easier to ship the ECU to them? How long does it take to ship it back? Why not sending them the ECU during winter months? Done deal and surly programmed.
The difficult part is getting to the ECU to remove it. Removing it and re-installing is easy, just lots of body parts to remove to get access. Kind of like changing the air filter. I show the process in my maintenance videos.
@@cruisemansgarage I don't understand why so many complain about the top shelter removal. Yes, its not easy, but yet not that hard. You take your time and its off. This is my 3rd time doing it. It gets easier every time.
Wow, proud for him, would scare the heck out of me however. My 2024 is just fine!
did it on my BMW GSA, now I walk away from stock GS's, awesome upgrade.....
I have a 2018 Tour DCT and I think it is great someone is trying to improve the Goldwing. I do see this as a very time consuming project. I would not go through this. Years ago I had a 2014 Harley and bought a re-map product and all I did was plug it into the bike, follow the instructions on the phone app and it was done. It also took a copy of the original mapping so if I needed to take the bike to the dealer I could re-install the original map. The process you go through here seems like a lot of wasted time. I would not buy one.
Watching this makes me not want to even try this. Whole lot easier doing a stage 2 upgrade on my Harley with Screaming Eagle software. I’ll take my $800 to the Choctaw Casino. Probably have better luck. 😂
Definitely an exercise in the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" in these two videos I'm trying to figure out why the heck are you even doing this.....
I get having a tun of time on your hands and more cash than gadgets available, but really, just go for a ride.
Oh well more content, and if you brick the ECU Honda can sell you a new one!
Tom is the 800.00 plus the install time & effort worth it?
Not sure if Tom will see this, but I am sure this will depend on the individual. I know that the units seem to be selling very well. So, there is a demand.
Interesting. I'm guessing this flash will only work on Tom's GW.
@@billwilliams9527 Yes, once you retrieve the factory map and load it into the flasher unit, it becomes linked to that VIN.
I’m probably not going to buy a new computer just to transfer files. I wish companies would make things work on macs. Too bad, it looks like makes an improvement
@JK-wr6ls: In the business world, they want to use business computers, not computers targeted toward school children.
I’m stressed just watching open heart surgery on a 30,000 dollar motorcycle.. thank you for your guidance
As it is a 23 DCT, is there a concern about voiding the warranty from the factory?
@@nodouttaviation2817 Definitely will void the warranty. But, you can restore the factory tune.
@@cruisemansgarage Thank you for the quick response. As I have a new 24', It's hard for me to justify voiding my warranty for better performance, etc. Unless, you are saying putting back the stock tune can still get you warranty service if it is needed ????
@@nodouttaviation2817 i would assume their is a counter and guid (unique ID) identified, that is stored outside the common flash area, and probably not deletable ..just my guess…so probably they can tell the deltas or when it was changed , and good chance what has changed…
You can't use a mac or frankin mac. Use a pc. Also send a pic of the numbers on your ecu to Btmoto when you order the tune. I know thats a pain on our plastic fantastics. But if your there doing the worse air filter change in the history of internal combustion. Get some good clear pics while your there. Honda has some of the most complex and stupid base firmware code in the industry. It started with there hybrid cars. They change the base firmware and none of the base firmware is interchangeable that contains the tune. And there is no guarantee Btmoto will have what they need to get there tune useable even if you have a pic of the ecu numbers. Because Honda changes the base firmware all the time. Bikes built one after the other could have different base firmware. If they have the base numbers in there system then the flash they send you will work. If they don't have it then they will need you to suck the file off your ecu with there tool and email to them. Or if you can't supply the pic with numbers or just the numbers than you will need to suck the file off the ecu and email it. It's really not that hard to do this flash. It's basically like flashing the bios in your computer or any other devices. Honda is just a pain in the ass and the interface tech. Industry standard but it is out of date or older than there out of date bluetooth version and code used in the audio navi system. There out of date tech is why it takes so long to update the navi software. I did this flash for a buddy on his 2019 DCT. He had the numbers off his ecu when he ordered. So he got a good flash first time. For his standard Wing DCT. It definitely did not turn his into a beast. He likes it! And it now tops out with the windshield lowered tucked at a honest 138 mph. Beast and Goldwing is comical. It's about a honest 8 hp to 10hp and 2.5/3 tq increase and it smooths out Sport mode and firms up Tour mode. Raises the speed limiter or removes it and turns the rad fans on at a slightly lower temp. I think it also raises the redline a few hundred rpm. I think it's a good tune for what it and the Wing are. But he still can't beat my 6MT tour in a drag race. Because I'm faster to the 60' mark and his lighting fast upshifts can't make up for the difference down track in Mexico. And pretty common type of tune we get now days on these chocked up POS Euro4+ and Epa trash engines. Not like the old days when a proper tune could net 15 to 20 hp. And don't see it worth $800 for what you get. I have a tune on my MT-09 and it has the same net gains, with the same characteristics. It only cost $250 at the time, now $300. Just had to pull the ecu and ship it to the tuner. Less than a week for the turn around. And if I change the exhaust, intake, put cams in it,,, whatever I want I ship it back to him and he makes the changes I want free of charge and ships it back to me. If they have a sale or a mail in program I might get this tune or one of it's updates down the road. But not at $800 bucks. That aint going to happen.
Ok, understand this is for US / Canadian models only ?
OK, I See I have to check the last 3 digits of my ECU if they have it on their list.
I pull a trailer and was very interested in this for a bit more power, but it (BT-MOTO) doesn't install the way they lead you to believe. It's nerve-racking to attempt an install of something you know little about, doesn't do what the directions say during the process, and then you could not recover from without some kind of tech support, if you trust them be be there for you (I don't). This whole process needs to be much more straightforward for me to get into.
$800?!? Time to break out the GTL if I want to go fast. LOL
I'd be terrified of turning my $26k bike into a $26k brick. I'll settle for stock performance, I really can't justify the cost of it anyway.
If the wife saw this charge on the cc I'd get "THAT" look besides I have another bike to go fast on!
All the time taken just to get this to work and the fact that you have to have a windows PC really put me off. If I wanted to flash my ECU I would just send it to the tuner and let him worry about getting it to work.
The motorcycles ecu was a brick for a week till the reprogram was completed .
@@victorgonza4528 Not on Toms
@@cruisemansgarage Not at all, all the initial process does is take a copy of the ECU file, so BT moto can program a modified file. In the meantime, the bike can still be used. The main advantage of the ECU flasher device, is it gives you the ability to restore the ECU back to factory setting, say if you need to have warranty work and you don’t want the dealer to see it’s had a ECU flash (you can then reload the BT moto file back on after the warranty work), or if you want to sell the bike and return it back to factory spec.
The tune is very good, but the process to get there is like taking a trip down memory lane to 90's computer technology. The instructions are confusing. They say go to this web address to download the app, then there's 5 different app files there to download that all seem to be variations of the same thing. Then turn off all firewall and virus protection. huh? The whole thing was amateurish feeling from a tech perspective and not at all confidence-inspiring but, again, once thru all that, the tune is great.
Maybe I missed it, but WHY are you "reflashing" a brand new 2023 Goldwings computer. I'd think reflashing the bikes computer will Void your warranty. If the bike doesn't run, or is running too lean, why not take it back to a Honda dealership? This is one of the reasons (EPA compliance BS) is why I'm still riding my 15 year old Harley Electra Glide Limited, and the outragious prices of all the new bikes)
It is for a performance increase and to make Sport mode more manageable.
I think I would look for another provider as this process is BS
Pretty irritating….I won’t say more.