That drop to C# in Talking Heads is pretty close to the best part of the song, which is my fave song on the album from all band members. So fucking good.
Mate, I must say, and I joke you not. This is probably the most user friendly 'how to achieve this tone' video I have ever bloody seen. You're seriously on the ball, and you explain things so easily man. Subcribed and shared !
@@GaryHiebner Mate, when you say 'pitch dropped to', do you mean youre just using your DAW to pitch down the whole guitar ? or are you referring to just pitching down the bottom string ? cheer mate, im a drummer, forgive me lmao
What I also would like to mention with the pitch shifting. Another way is to do it directly in the program. In reaper for example. With a right klick on the track you want to pitch, then Item Properties, and then you can pitch it with semitones with the ''Pitch Adjust''
@@GaryHiebner it was my first amp plugin I got from STL. I really like it. I was strictly using neural plugins until I tried it. It was super cheap too. I bought the amphub player and it came with a free amp of choice for $40 total. Killer deal. Nice content btw, I'm a new subscriber.
i kinda halfassed it but it worked. I got a 6 string bass, Tuned it to C# F C f A# d#. I think i was running a 125 light 5 string set plus a high something, and i just ignored the low C# and played it in basically drop f, and then moved down to the C# string when they did the pitch shift. i just ran my bass rig but with a mod tone distortion pedal to make it sound more like a distorted baritone. sounded monstrous, wouldnt recomend it for your main intrument, kinda sucks to play anything but Northlane, but hey, if you got a spare bass...it worked.
Love your stuff man, been subscribed for a while now. Any chance of an Invent, Animate breakdown? Cheers, and keep doing what you're doing 👍 From the UK
I've got an i5 3.1ghz processor with 32gb Ram and an SSD hard drive and I can run quite a few instances of Tonehub with no problem. Tonehub does seem lighter on CPU than some other amp sims though. Neural amp sims are a bit more CPU intensive. If you can try upgrade your memory to the max you can on your system. That will make a big difference
@@GaryHiebner Hi, Thanks for your reply. Ended up buying tonehub, Can only have 4 instances running plus Superior drums . Need to update my Mac at some point, but for now it will have to do. Merry Christmas....
Try maybe like a 85-12 set (if you on a 7 string). But depends on your string te sion preference. You can use an online string tension calculator to help. Like the Stringjoy one
Very informative video. I’ve been wanting to make the jump to amp sims like STL. Just wondering if you’d recommend proper studio monitors or just a good set of speakers to play through. I’m not super knowledgeable about mixing, I’m mainly interested in just getting these tones and jamming along to music.
Studio monitors are great if they fit in your budget. The bigger the studio monitor the better low end clarity you will have on the guitars tones. Or if not in your budget right now just use what you got and enjoy it :)
Hello! Love the video. Any recommendations for a beginner guitar that would work perfect for super low tuning? I've played in the past but stopped and it's been awhile... Not sure I want to get an 7-8 string but I've heard the jackson js22-7 or ibanez rg7421 may be good options.. thoughts?
How low do you want to go? And do you need all 7 strings or do you just want to go low? The problem I find with most 7 strings is that the majority of them only have a 25.5 inch scale length and this limits how low you can go. I find for me Drop A is like the limit on a 7 strings with a 25,5 inch scale. But if you get a 7 string with a longer scale you can go lower. The guys in Northlane are using 27 inch 7 strings and are tuning down to Drop F. If you just want to go low and don't need all 7 strings then take a look at some 6 string baritone guitars.
26,5 might be a bit short. Like you might be able to tune down to F, but it might not intonate correctly higher up the neck. But give it a bash. Try an 0.80 on the 7th string and see if it can intonate up to the 12th fret. If not maybe try a 0.85 on the 7th string. But the thicker you go on the strings the darker and less bright they sound.
Its in the video. I'm using my 7string Baritone into my audio interface. And then I'm using STL Tonehub. The Northlane Jon Deilley preset pack. And then do some slight EQ post processing
It is possible. I put an 80 on a 25.5 and took it down to F. But it went slightly off with the intonation at the 12th fret. So you can try just use a light touch with your licking hand so the low string doesn’t go sharp if you hit it too hard.
Yes, you will be able to tune your fanfare to this tuning, but you will need to use a slightly different gauge set because of your multi scale guitar. Best is to use a string gauge tension calculator like the one on string joy's site to calculate the custom set you can build up for a thing like this.
Should need minimal EQ on guitars if you do it right. Maybe clean up around 3.5k and cut everything below 100hz or so. You could play with the 500-700hz but it always just sounds more full when it's left alone imo
I find the best solution is to shelf off a bit of the highs as this smooths off the sound. A low cut up to around 150hz helps get rid of any low rumble that may be taking up some headroom. And then I normally do some cuts on problematic resonant frequency areas. This changes depending on the guitar I’m using and the amp sim plugin.
Awesome but I don't have enough money to buy 7 strings, i only have an old equipment esp ltd v 401 guitar & digital effects pod x3 live. tuning in the band I used Drop B with the Numetal genre, but I never got a drop B sound with a heavy but clear tone quality. it feels sad to be a musician in an underdeveloped country, buying good musical equipment here requires very long savings & the wages of working an office are only enough for a day
If you got only a 6 string Standard scale you can put some heavy gauges on like 16-80. That will get you down to Drop F. But you might have intonation issues going up higher on the neck, and because of the thicker strings your tone will be a bit darker. Thats where baritones really come in handy. Better intonation and clarity for low tunings. In South Africa here it's also a bit hard getting gear. But I watch the used market alot. All my baritones I picked up used for really good prices. So maybe see what guitars are going on the used market. You never know maybe someone is selling their 7-string or baritone they not using :)
@@GaryHiebner what do you think of my LTD V 401 guitar with active EMG pickup, to play the Numetal genre with heavy core dunlop strings 10-60 for drop A, is that correct ??? please help, thx
That sounds good. Actives are good for low tunings and hi gain. Its a bit of a preference thing. Some guys live actives while others don't like them. Moral of the story if you like them then thats good. Get your gear to work for you that you currently have. Tweak and tweak until you get the tone you after. Standard scales are fine for Drop B. And that stting gauges set seems good. So now focus on getting the tone you want out of your Pod. Its actually amazing what you can do with a limited amount of gear. But sound like you got all that you need
@@GaryHiebner It's actually cool to see some metal UA-camrs from SA. It kinda shows that there is room for the scene to grow here. Even moreso since Northlane noticed the video!
My mix sounds amazing and heavy. Palmuting and everything is brutal and heavy as fuck except for open note 7th string strums. They sound like weak toilet paper and the tone gets shit. Anybody else have this problem. I got good string tension at drop Ab and great pickups and using fortune nameless I don’t know why it sounds like shit
What pickups are you using and what’s string gauges? A loose 7th string will probably make it sound muddy. Maybe use. Thicker string there. And some pickups are more suited for low tunings and have better bite clarity. Like the DiMarzio D Activator and the Seymour Duncan Nazgul.
@@GaryHiebner i got seymour pegasis sentients and .062 on the 7th string. i might just have to get a .064 or higher but that seems excessive for a drop Ab
Their tone is not so complicated. You can use very cheap gear to achieve that cardboard crappy guitar sound: any harley benton 8string or baritone with stock pickups and some iphone guitar app like Mooer GeLabs or Deplike. The fact they are using expensive custom shop guitars and amps/pluging is just a showoff.
You've done your research! Awesome video
Yay! Thanks @Northlane. Glad you enjoyed the video. Keep up the amazing tunes!
That drop to C# in Talking Heads is pretty close to the best part of the song, which is my fave song on the album from all band members. So fucking good.
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@@tnargus Dude I know right the first time I heard that I was walking down the road with headphones on and nearly tripped over head banging so hard!
Haha thick string goes: *WOBBLWOBBLWOBBLE*
Mate, I must say, and I joke you not. This is probably the most user friendly 'how to achieve this tone' video I have ever bloody seen. You're seriously on the ball, and you explain things so easily man. Subcribed and shared !
Awesome! Thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed it. Check out some of my other 'How to' tone videos and let me know what you think
@@GaryHiebner Mate, when you say 'pitch dropped to', do you mean youre just using your DAW to pitch down the whole guitar ? or are you referring to just pitching down the bottom string ? cheer mate, im a drummer, forgive me lmao
In this video I'm meaning just pitching down the guitar by detuning the string
I can't believe your channel hasn't blown up yet, keep going dude. Love the videos!
Thanks glad you enjoying the videos Scott. Spread the word about the channel! Would love more subscribers :)
Didn't even know that 25 fret guitars existed! That's dope!
Its a custom built neck by a luthier. So they made it 25 frets. Pretty cool having that extra fret.
@@GaryHiebner Especially for insane octave skipping and doing the metalcore 0-12-0-13-0 thing haha
please make more of these "how to sound like" videos! super helpful
Got some in the pipeline. Also give any suggestions of bands or styles you'd like covered :)
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Wow! Glad I found your channel! Would really like a Chelsea Grin My Damnation/Desolation of Eden tone tutorial!
What I also would like to mention with the pitch shifting. Another way is to do it directly in the program. In reaper for example. With a right klick on the track you want to pitch, then Item Properties, and then you can pitch it with semitones with the ''Pitch Adjust''
Holy mother that is HEAVY! such a good tone!
Wow JCM800 sounds way better than I expected. The STL Amphub dual rectifier sounds pretty close to it as well from my attempts at getting this tone.
Nice, I must try the AmpHub Dual Rec. Haven't used it enough. I really like the JCM800 and Soldano in there
@@GaryHiebner it was my first amp plugin I got from STL. I really like it. I was strictly using neural plugins until I tried it. It was super cheap too. I bought the amphub player and it came with a free amp of choice for $40 total. Killer deal. Nice content btw, I'm a new subscriber.
@@GaryHiebner also would be sick if you did a video on how you did the 28" scale conversion on your guitar and how you sourced the parts.
Haha! I already did! It was the first video I did on my channel: ua-cam.com/video/MHpeuHmXnCo/v-deo.html
i kinda halfassed it but it worked. I got a 6 string bass, Tuned it to C# F C f A# d#. I think i was running a 125 light 5 string set plus a high something, and i just ignored the low C# and played it in basically drop f, and then moved down to the C# string when they did the pitch shift. i just ran my bass rig but with a mod tone distortion pedal to make it sound more like a distorted baritone. sounded monstrous, wouldnt recomend it for your main intrument, kinda sucks to play anything but Northlane, but hey, if you got a spare bass...it worked.
Hectic. Must been fun playing on a modded distorted bass. I've done it with my 4 string bass tuned down to A# and then used guitar amp sims on it.
Great video, so clear and to the point. Excellent. New follower.
i love your channel Gary!
Dude his is awesome! Even approved by Northlane 🤟
Thanks, yeah super stoked they dug it as well
@@GaryHiebner same here dude. I got a Focusrite 2i2 recently, it's awesome! 🤟
Greetings from Cape Town. Nice video, subbed
Thanks. Nice to see other Saffa's comment. Glad you enjoyed the video
Love your stuff man, been subscribed for a while now.
Any chance of an Invent, Animate breakdown?
Cheers, and keep doing what you're doing 👍 From the UK
Yeah I'm thinking about it for them. Gonna try analyze their technique and tone and see if can do a video on it
Really cool video ! Thank you !
Thank you!
Great vid as always!
Awesome, thanks. Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video!!
What are you using for your midi drums?
Sounds like GGD 🤔
Thanks Ben. Yeah it's a combination of NI's Studio Drummer, and Invasion
You got my subscribe!!!
great vid!
Thank you very much!
Awesome! How record in ableton 12
Sorry I only use Studio One. But you can do the same things in any DAW
Great Video and track.
What processing is in your Mac. I have some Neural plugins, and my system struggles unfortunately..
I've got an i5 3.1ghz processor with 32gb Ram and an SSD hard drive and I can run quite a few instances of Tonehub with no problem. Tonehub does seem lighter on CPU than some other amp sims though. Neural amp sims are a bit more CPU intensive. If you can try upgrade your memory to the max you can on your system. That will make a big difference
@@GaryHiebner Hi, Thanks for your reply. Ended up buying tonehub, Can only have 4 instances running plus Superior drums .
Need to update my Mac at some point, but for now it will have to do.
Merry Christmas....
Awesome video!!!
Thanks Conrad. Long time no hear.. How's it going with the band?
Heavy Tones Going well. Just released a new single and video and working on the new album! So enjoying your videos!!!
just..wow!!
what size of strings would you recommend for the 27 beaker in the Drop f ?
Try maybe like a 85-12 set (if you on a 7 string). But depends on your string te sion preference. You can use an online string tension calculator to help. Like the Stringjoy one
your speakers resting on the desk with out any padding gives me anxiety
Haha, its on the to-do list to get some padding. But to be honest I mainly use my studio headphones
Very informative video. I’ve been wanting to make the jump to amp sims like STL. Just wondering if you’d recommend proper studio monitors or just a good set of speakers to play through. I’m not super knowledgeable about mixing, I’m mainly interested in just getting these tones and jamming along to music.
Studio monitors are great if they fit in your budget. The bigger the studio monitor the better low end clarity you will have on the guitars tones. Or if not in your budget right now just use what you got and enjoy it :)
I'm about to get a Schecter C-9 and EMG909X pickups going to be rad. Will try layering amps I bet it will be absolute beast mode 🤘
Man that thing will be a beast! You gonna stay on C#1? Or go even lower on it? Enjoy the guitar!
@@GaryHiebner Planning to keep it standard but might go bottom B to match bass range. Thanks for the reply! Enjoy your content keep it up 😁
Awe my bru..cool thanks for the vid.
Glad you enjoyed it. Was fun to make
What bass guitar plugin are u using?
Great job man
I’m using Submission Audio’s Eurobass 2. Great bass plugin, especially for going low!
Hello! Love the video. Any recommendations for a beginner guitar that would work perfect for super low tuning? I've played in the past but stopped and it's been awhile... Not sure I want to get an 7-8 string but I've heard the jackson js22-7 or ibanez rg7421 may be good options.. thoughts?
How low do you want to go? And do you need all 7 strings or do you just want to go low? The problem I find with most 7 strings is that the majority of them only have a 25.5 inch scale length and this limits how low you can go. I find for me Drop A is like the limit on a 7 strings with a 25,5 inch scale. But if you get a 7 string with a longer scale you can go lower. The guys in Northlane are using 27 inch 7 strings and are tuning down to Drop F. If you just want to go low and don't need all 7 strings then take a look at some 6 string baritone guitars.
@@GaryHiebner I want to go low low 😎. Appreciate the response! I will definitely look at baritone guitars now!
Do you have a link to the pitch shifter VST
I'm using the Pitch Shifter in Overloud's TH-U Amp Sim plugin. overloud.com/products/th-u-full
What do you think about that string gauge in a 7 string 26.5 neck length?
Maybe try 12-85. You might need to do a custom set for it. Try out Stringjoy for this
Would a 26.5 inch 7 string work?
26,5 might be a bit short. Like you might be able to tune down to F, but it might not intonate correctly higher up the neck. But give it a bash. Try an 0.80 on the 7th string and see if it can intonate up to the 12th fret. If not maybe try a 0.85 on the 7th string. But the thicker you go on the strings the darker and less bright they sound.
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Great videos man! May I ask what camera(s) you're using?
I’m using a Nikon D3200 with a 35mm lease. And some cheap Chinese lanterns with cool halogen light bulbs for lighting.
Whats your Signalchain? :o nice video
Its in the video. I'm using my 7string Baritone into my audio interface. And then I'm using STL Tonehub. The Northlane Jon Deilley preset pack. And then do some slight EQ post processing
make a video about counterparts pls!!!
Good idea! Maybe in the future. Stay tuned.....
Gary i did not know you were into heavy low?
Yeah I like my heavy stuff as well as my electronic stuff.
Which pedal are you using with the tonehub plug-in for the tones
I'm not using a pedal. Just the John Deilley Tonehub Preset pack and some post EQ processing in my DAW
@@GaryHiebner no like the pedal options within tonehub lol so I didn’t explain myself enough lol
Oh sorry. I think i was using one of the Tubescreamer style overdrives as a boost. Thats all.
26.5 scale on a Schecter plus the 80 string would work too?
It is possible. I put an 80 on a 25.5 and took it down to F. But it went slightly off with the intonation at the 12th fret. So you can try just use a light touch with your licking hand so the low string doesn’t go sharp if you hit it too hard.
@@GaryHiebner Thx for answering, ive got another one (sry...) would G and A be to high for the strings?
Will i be able to tune fan fret (multiscale) guitar to this northlane tuning with this string gauge (or higher) ?
Yes, you will be able to tune your fanfare to this tuning, but you will need to use a slightly different gauge set because of your multi scale guitar. Best is to use a string gauge tension calculator like the one on string joy's site to calculate the custom set you can build up for a thing like this.
what did you do on EQ? where to cut and where to boost?
Should need minimal EQ on guitars if you do it right. Maybe clean up around 3.5k and cut everything below 100hz or so. You could play with the 500-700hz but it always just sounds more full when it's left alone imo
What pickups are on the guitar? :)
I’ve got a DiMarzio D Activator in the bridge and the Squier stock pickup in the neck.
@@GaryHiebner Allright thanks!
So much for dialing in a tone. Here buy tone pack, done.
how do they pitch drop when playing live?
I think I remember seeing they’ve got the DigiTech Drop pedal in their pedalboards.
The Kemper can Pitch drop too.
Yeah true. You can do pitch drops on modelling units.
great video but it would be cool to see how you could achieve such a tone without using tonehub
Your hands are cute
what neck is that?
It’s a custom made Baritone neck for the guitar. You can see my video on it here: ua-cam.com/video/MHpeuHmXnCo/v-deo.html
What would you suggest in regards to EQing the guitars?
I find the best solution is to shelf off a bit of the highs as this smooths off the sound. A low cut up to around 150hz helps get rid of any low rumble that may be taking up some headroom. And then I normally do some cuts on problematic resonant frequency areas. This changes depending on the guitar I’m using and the amp sim plugin.
Awesome
but I don't have enough money to buy 7 strings, i only have an old equipment esp ltd v 401 guitar & digital effects pod x3 live. tuning in the band I used Drop B with the Numetal genre, but I never got a drop B sound with a heavy but clear tone quality. it feels sad to be a musician in an underdeveloped country, buying good musical equipment here requires very long savings & the wages of working an office are only enough for a day
If you got only a 6 string Standard scale you can put some heavy gauges on like 16-80. That will get you down to Drop F. But you might have intonation issues going up higher on the neck, and because of the thicker strings your tone will be a bit darker. Thats where baritones really come in handy. Better intonation and clarity for low tunings. In South Africa here it's also a bit hard getting gear. But I watch the used market alot. All my baritones I picked up used for really good prices. So maybe see what guitars are going on the used market. You never know maybe someone is selling their 7-string or baritone they not using :)
@@GaryHiebner what do you think of my LTD V 401 guitar with active EMG pickup, to play the Numetal genre with heavy core dunlop strings 10-60 for drop A, is that correct ??? please help, thx
That sounds good. Actives are good for low tunings and hi gain. Its a bit of a preference thing. Some guys live actives while others don't like them. Moral of the story if you like them then thats good. Get your gear to work for you that you currently have. Tweak and tweak until you get the tone you after. Standard scales are fine for Drop B. And that stting gauges set seems good. So now focus on getting the tone you want out of your Pod. Its actually amazing what you can do with a limited amount of gear. But sound like you got all that you need
That accent... Are you from SA?
Yip, from South Africa!
@@GaryHiebner It's actually cool to see some metal UA-camrs from SA. It kinda shows that there is room for the scene to grow here. Even moreso since Northlane noticed the video!
Haha, yeah. You also from SA? Yeah was super stoked by the Northlane comment!
@@GaryHiebner Yessir!
My mix sounds amazing and heavy. Palmuting and everything is brutal and heavy as fuck except for open note 7th string strums. They sound like weak toilet paper and the tone gets shit.
Anybody else have this problem.
I got good string tension at drop Ab and great pickups and using fortune nameless I don’t know why it sounds like shit
What pickups are you using and what’s string gauges? A loose 7th string will probably make it sound muddy. Maybe use. Thicker string there. And some pickups are more suited for low tunings and have better bite clarity. Like the DiMarzio D Activator and the Seymour Duncan Nazgul.
@@GaryHiebner i got seymour pegasis sentients and .062 on the 7th string. i might just have to get a .064 or higher but that seems excessive for a drop Ab
Great vid, but Northlane's tones have been muddy and unexciting to me since Node
Haha, I like their tones. Quite different compared to some other guitar tones.
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Duuuuude, yor videos are way to ill. Greetings from Germany
Awesome! Glad you're enjoying the videos
Sounds nothing like them
Their tone is not so complicated. You can use very cheap gear to achieve that cardboard crappy guitar sound: any harley benton 8string or baritone with stock pickups and some iphone guitar app like Mooer GeLabs or Deplike. The fact they are using expensive custom shop guitars and amps/pluging is just a showoff.
I heard Northlane is actually switching to hello kitty squiers and garage band because it apparently sounds just as good!
You're a joke.