Hi @Tech Yes City, I'm interested in getting this processor and pair it with h610 motherboard. I have a query on that which is given h610 does not allow memory overclocking will it run 3200mhz ram at 2400mhz and disable us from running it at rated speed? If it runs on 2400 how much performance will i lose?
I recently got a bundle containing: Asus TUF Gaming B660M-PLUS D4 i5-12400F Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz Asus GeForce RTX 3060 PHOENIX LHR 12GB for 840€, I think that was a pretty good deal considering GPU prices atm. Really feels like the i5-12400F fits perfectly in something like this.
As always, good review. I got my i3-10100f with Gigabyte B460 Aorus Pro and 2x8G 2666hhz Kingston Hyper mem in Sept 2020, its still good for me. I need rather get some good deal gpu to replace my GTX1050.
I agree your 10100F is fine for gaming but if you want a little more fps, there are two things you can do. (1) Tweak your memory timings. For example: My 2666 Mhz ram timings are 14-17-17-36-335-1T tRFC timing affects gaming fps. Be sure to lower it. (2) Get a pci-e sound card (not usb sound) A pci-e sound card will give a few more fps, especially when the cpu is near 100% usage
I bought the 12700k over some ryzen options and while it ended up being a better option the price of the motherboards were definitely surprising to me as someone who hasn't upgraded since skylake.
@@vgamedude12 yes. It's quite high, for last years. But... before ultra cheap motherboards it was like that. I've calculated according inflation, how much costed motherboards around year 2000, and it was around 280-400$ for mid range motherboards. The higher one, Abit and Asus costed like 500-600$. So it's still quite cheap, when you compare it with history.
I get a 11400f, few days after 12600k launch, i know 12th was a nice improvement, but a decent motherboard is so expensive, i get a Msi b560m bazooka for 115€ brand new but a comparable lga1700 would cost at least 60% more
@@gionieves2646 i dont even touched the box cooler and i used instead my old but good hyper x 212 evo. despite completly unlocked power limit of the cpu, the temperatures are quite good, because unlike ryzen or 12th gen, the cpu die is very large and has an easier dissipation of power.
Yea, I'm surprised he didn't OC it, one of the first TechYesCity videos I watched was about BCLK overclocking non-K first gen. intel Core (and Xeon) CPUs.
I’m doing a cpu upgrade in the next few weeks because my old 4690k just can’t handle halo infinite above 60 fps and discord at the same time. And as much as I’d love to get the 12400f because it’s the newest and the fastest etc etc, the fact that I can get a 10400f for $198 and a decent b560 mobo for $179 completely wipes the floor of the value proposition of the 12400f which costs $299 (not that bad, but still not great) and the equivalent b660 mobo which costs $349. $377 vs $648, the 12400f + mobo just doesn’t seem worth an extra 71% of the price of the 10400f + mobo imo. Especially considering I still have a GTX 970 so I doubt I’d see any performance increase in games with the 12400f over the 10400f since my GPU is so old so I’m almost certain to be GPU bound in everything I play
The 12600K only adds 10% faster clock speeds and 4 ecores which adds a few frames only when you're CPU bound and already above 120 frames. It also slurps more power and runs up the thermals. The 12100 was going for almost the same price, so the extra 2 cores of the 12400 was only $40.
Thanks for answering my question! I have a Snowman, might see if I can find a suitable power monitor sometime and do a real test, see what happens just for lols. :D I'm sure you're right though, probably just a small difference.
Now the value of these CPUs comes with the non k overclock capable motherboards der8auer presented in a review. I'm going to be building some new work PCs to accommodate a couple new workers and opted for waiting these mobos paired with locked i7s and it's going to be more performance and cheaper than Ryzen 5800x
Attention to those who want to buy. Intel 12th Gen non-K CPU SA voltage（VCCSA） is locked at 0.92V, This causes the RAM to unstable under DDR4 3600MHz Gear 1 or higher , Even some RAM with XMP will not be able to boot. Gear2 will introduce higher latency, which will result in lower framerates for gamers. I don't know why Intel did this, maybe to give the K-series CPUs an edge,maybe it's to force users to buy expensive DDR5 RAM. I just bought the 12700, I don't want to overclock, just want to use cheaper DDR4 RAM, But Intel takes away even that. I'm very disappointed now. So I would like to remind people who want to buy Intel 12th Gen non-K CPU. Don't waste your money on DDR4 3600 memory. DDR4 3200 is the limit. If you want better memory performance, buy DDR5 memory. Or zen3 5600x+DDR4 3600 or higher.
@@eclipsegst9419 Faster ram definitely is beneficial as well as having more of it. There is a diminishing of returns in performance in Ryzen when you start to go over 3600mhz just like the amount of ram you have when you go over 32gbs depending on your use case. 3600mhz with 32gbs is the sweet spot for the majority on Ryzen.
@@ZackSNetwork I've ran the numbers and the difference between the best and just regular rated-speed ram is not worth the dollars spent in my book. It will not give you any sort of difference you can see on your screen with your eyes, and next year a new cpu will render your "advantage" irrelevant. Or you could get a new GPU, also render it irrelevant. Now, if you already have the rest of your rig at the level you want and you have extra in the budget anyways? 1- I envy you but 2- sure get that last 5fps good on you. But i wouldn't recommend anyone on a budget worry about ram speed as any sort of main priority.
@@zkbskcwi2320 32GB DDR4 4000cl19 Trident Z costs 330 dollars. 3200cl14 costs 240 dollars. Thats just one brand but whatever, it's a 37.5% increase. You aren't going to see anywhere near a 37.5% performance increase, in anything. That's my point. Sure it is "better" but that doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
That's funny. My stock cooler with the 3600 would always peg at 95 degrees full-bore and clock down to almost base clocks at all core workloads (3.6-3.65ghz). I got a Snowman and got it down to 70-80 at peak utilization, with boost clocks now in the 3.9ghz range - thus I did still lose performance by using the stock AMD cooler.
i got a 12400f cpu on christmas 2022 for gaming and editing and a gtx 1660super and its awesome! thank you tech yes and i got a overkill cooler from thermalright (peerless assassin)
Just to note: you’ve got a C0 stepping 12400 there (SRL4W S-spec), that’s the large die, same as 12900K for instance. There’s also the H0 stepping with a smaller die (SRL5Z S-spec) that consumes less power.
No mention of the game changing overclock possible currently on the 12400, once this info becomes more widespread this CPU will most likely go up in price than down.
Are you reffering to overclocking of base clock available on certain madly expensive z690 boards? How does that help if the MB that allows it is more expensive than CPU itself? Someone buying board like taht just gets 12600k or better cpu. Unless ofc there is some b660 board oc I am not aware of that surfaced in the recent days.
@@mladendenni7062 It was shown first time on z690 boards by de8auer and at the time of my comment those were the only boards cappable of overclocking non-k cpu's. They also at the time were way more expensive than they are now... In case you are too daft to see it, my comment was written 8 months ago. So... cool story bro.
ahh what a bummer. I was waiting for your review to say what was the honest opinion. I was looking up for this cpu maybe was the time I upgrade. ohh well next gen is just another year away :P will wait for a little bit more
I used a Asus Prime B660M-K which works fine. Didn't destroy my budget like the Z690 mobo does. The stock LGA1700 cooler is just horrendously loud. It keeps the cpu degrees away from thermal throttling so i got a Hyper 212 evo V2 and now the temps are amazing.
I agree on 10400f point. Think it was the best budget cpu for a while and i honestly think it remains the best value cpu on the market. Maybe 11400f could dethrone it right now, depends on regional prices i guess. You can get 10400f+b560 mb+3200mhz+ ram for less than 12100f+B660(let alone 12400f) and no ram included. One can make an argument that 12100f would give pcie 4.0 (pretty useless for quite a while, especially for budget gamer) and that you can later swap in a better cpu. Problem with that is that then you really do not want to go with cheapest MB out there and you want something like Asus b600 prime which raises the cost even more. Same story is with 12400f, you rather want semi decent board for it and suddenly you end up paying for entire thing like 180-200% of what 10400f setup would cost you. Recently calculating all that i ended with 12400f+board+ram+cooler cost nealy as much as 5600x setup on a very good MB (like really, Tomahawk max II b450 is like half the price of cheapest ATX b660 board). Meanwhile if you want to upgrade from 10400f, you can just sell mb+cpu (much easier to sell than random i3) and just buy new stuff once you have funds for it. And with a midrange gpu you really will be hard pressed to notice the difference while gaming. Then there is ofc ryzen 3 3600 which came down in price a bit and probably will get even cheaper that comes in with much cheaper board which also gives you plethora of great cpus to upgrade to down the line. All that being said, 12400f is a great CPU, at a great price, but it's general value is being held back strongly by motherboard costs.
I do think that H610 mb with 12400 is a good price/performance combo, and I do consider it as an upgrade for my current system (it's not perfect, but with prices in my area it's good enough) but right now I don't have good enough GPU to feel the difference, so I will pass for now...
Safe the money and get a 660 board. 610s area ok for a 12100.... Not a 12400. Very weak power delivery and not worth the $20-40 difference. I got an ASRock B660M for $95 for a 12400 and it works flawlessly.
I think for a good all around mid level gaming system, the 12400 and even the 12100 are actually very good value especially as DDR4 is so cheap so all told $400 gets you a decent platform with the 12400/B660 and DDR4 ram at 3600 and that will allow for upgradability in the future. Problems as always, right now is the GPU prices have thrown everything into a tail spin and thus going second hand like 10th gen Intel, AMD 3600 etc really comes into play as the more you can save towards your GPU the better right now. Still if you are buying NEW right now then 12th gen is the stronger platform. I wish AMD would seriously drop prices of the 5600X/5800X etc and they need to produce low end CPU's for the next cycle as right now Intel have that all tied up with a bow!
Seeing how close the 10400F was in the gaming benchmarks I completely agree with your conclusion. I've found the stock cooler is fine for the lower powered 10400F, however I did order a few 11th gen stock coolers as they have the all black look, but any cheap air cooler will do.
@@propeldragon How many fans do you have in the case and does the case have good airflow ? 72 degrees at max temp is not going to do any damage to the CPU, but you can always get a cheap air cooler if you want to lower those temps.
Great video! Lets hope that ASUS starts making DDR4 Mobos capable of overclocking. der8auer made a great video about non K OC for Alder Lake on ASUS mobos. That is really gonna change the budget cpu landscape.
I think ill get this. I am Upgrading from an athlon 860k. Cpu ram and Mobo are getting a swap and its will cost me under 400 for an upgrade and thiw review just answered exactly what I want this cpu to do
I'd love to see you get an asrock h670 riptide and test with this cpu along with the non k 12 series skus that are coming in the future. The value prospects look amazing.
How much of a difference in performance is there on DDR4? I don't believe for one second a budget builder will be or should be buying DDR5 for that build. I would imagine good 3200 or 3600 would be 3-7% less performance, depending on the use. Depending on the use case, going up a CPU tier or doubling the Ram would be a better idea than DDR5. Obviously DDR5 would show its value, once you migrate it to a future build.
DDR5 is not worth buying yet because it's too new so it's not reached it's optimum performance and price. Software is also not coded to fully utilise it. I'll go to a DDR5 machine in a couple of years when prices and supply are standardised.
i bought this CPU yesterday and paired it with MSI PRO H610M-B and with a tower fan CPU cooler, I upgraded from Core i5-3470 but because lack of funds so I only upgrade the Motherboard, CPU and RAM, so the GPU is still my old 1050ti and 2 HDD and 2 SSD (I saw an m2 slot on the motherboard maybe will consider trying m2) I hope I made the correct decision with this upgrade
12100 is calling my name. Even with B660 pricing i can resell my 3300x/B550 for most of the cost of 12100/B660. I made a call when i bought my 3300x. I placed my bet that single threaded gains from this performance war would be so high that 4c/8t would be plenty enough for gaming again very quickly, and i could ride those gains for a small cost per year. I feel like the 12100 playing AAA "quad core killers" with better fps AND lows than the 3600 speaks for itself.
@@jurpo6 AM4 is dead, there is no 5300x, and even if there were the i3 would still beat it. Not to mention, my Ryzen has crashed and needed dumb driver issues worked out way way more often than my Intels before it so ill be done with AMD for awhile anyways even if they can make a fast CPU they need to make a stable one. Also their idea of overclocking is a joke you can't set the ratios separately for each number of active cores, so i'd rather just not even waste my money on the feature anyways, everything is over 4ghz out of the box so why bother? When 13th gen i3 comes out ill plop one in, then when meteor lake comes out ill resell the mobo at a small loss again. I'm glad to have a small loss every few months for a jump in single threaded performance, thats all that matters for 99% of things anyways.
I disagree with your recommendation. The LGA 1700 B660 can be had for around $100-120 and the 12400F CPU for less than $200. What this gets you is your foot in the latest and greatest platform. AM4 is on its way out and the 10-11th Gen Intel CPU are way behind the 12th gen CPUs in IPC performance. I say the 12400 and a B660M is the perfect buy for 90% of new users or those on Intel 6-9th Gen CPUs and AMD 1000-3000 series CPUs. The box cooler is perfect as long as you tweak the fan curve, tweak the PL2 settings and have a nice case with good airflow. Great video! Keep them cranking!
It doesn't work for everybody though. In my country a decent B660 cost equivalent to 300 usd and z690 400+. It's too expensive compared to AMD and not that faster compared to Zen3 if we're being honest.
What about testing this chip with a H610 board or a cheap B660 board. The "forever boosting" is not unlocked on all motherboards. From what I understand from Intel it isn't unlocked at all on H610 and is only on some B660 boards. This means that only Z690 has full boosting capabilities (unlimited time PL2). This also destroys the value of the chip relative to its performance. Especially considering that the 12400F + a B660 board is about the same price as a 5600x + B450/B550 board.
I get this CPU for $172 and paired with $131 B550M motherboard. I think with just $303 this CPU has best price to performance right now (even compared to 12100f I guest). There is no CPU under $175 can beat this level of performance, Everyone called this CPU Budget King for a reason.
The associated costs are not a problem, because you meet them in both amd and intel worlds... For example, amd's factory coolers may be adequate but they sound like a helicopter, so yes, you'll need an aftermarket cooler for intel and amd cpus. Now, about the motherboards, the new b660 and z690 come loaded with new technologies and they are still new in the market. It is expected to be much more expensive than the 560's and the 590's... Wait some months and their prices will go down as happens always (let's leave aside the chip "shortage phenomenon"). Always the new technology, the first months, ask for more money... The same can be said for the DDR5 too. So I don't see any disadvantage on 12400f. Besides, you have not any other alternative option in the amd world... Whatever new part buy NOW in the AMD platform , will be obsolete in a few months when series 7xxx come out, because then, for the new cpu, will need new motherboard, new cooler and new RAM (only DDR5) and they will be more expensive (as new technologies) too ... But with 12400f you can keep the motherboard and the DDR4 for one more generation next year...
I would argue the 12100f is best value due to it being 130 bucks but only a hair slower than a 5600x in multicore work loads and most likely far better in gaming if the i3 is overclocked a lot.
Edit, so apparantly intel 12th gen cpus love to bend so much to the point the pc wont boot. So yeah I would like to take back all my words. And stay away from this low quality socker 1700. Anything is better really
@@FactusCactus 12400f is faster way faster if you oc it, I got my i3 12100f to be just like 2%+/- slower in cpuz multicore and im pretty sure it was 30%+ faster in single core. But I did get issues with the cpu bending. Not that amd has no issues I got some faulty 5600x once that I ended up just returning and waiting longer to see what would come out next. And the intel issue is common enough to were its a known problem, and intel knows it but like its supposed to be like that. Were as the amd thing obviously not, and is refundable were as the intel thing not.
@@FactusCactus yeah just compare results in the cpuz database. It has nothing to do with my faulty 5600x im just saying how things are intels cpus are way faster a overclocked 12400f could get close to a r7 maybe overtake it. But amd is more reliable, and there arent many boards for intel to overclock so you have limited options. Its just intel is way faster and amd is more reliable and depending on what board you buy maybe a little cheaper. Altho it looks like you really want pcie 4.0 now so motherboards will be priced around the same if you have the same pricing as where I live
Just getting back into gaming on pc since the 90s I happen come across a good prebuilt it has this cpu, with 3060rtx 12gb ddr6, ram is only 16gb one stick gonna add more there and then 1tb HD and I can run all modern new games that I play on highest graphics settings and still get 120fps good setup for 1080 I’ll upgrade here in future for gpu and stuff but yeah good cpu for what I do warzone, fortnite games like that
If you're gonna get the new platform, might as well get the 12700 with it as well. That will also give you performance with no compromises at decent efficiency.
Thank you so much @Tech Yes City. I have a question regarding your final thoughts. If one were to wait to buy an I5 12400 and an H610 motherboard, wouldn’t you be giving up memory overclocking ability? I haven’t looked at the specific differences of the newest chipsets for the 12th generation Intel Alder Lake platform. I’m going by what I know from past generations. Also does that make much of a difference with a CPU like this?
Yes on the H610 no overclocking and it is severely cut down in other areas as well. But on the bright side the 12100 and 12400 non K CPU's can be overclocked on some B660 motherboards through FSB overclocking. der8auer did a great article on this. Still I would not go down to H610 no matter what. Get the B660 at the very least to get the best out of 12th gen...I have a 12700K and I am more than impressed and happy as competition is back... ua-cam.com/video/DUzExonH5TM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/8diXDeTDCbo/v-deo.html
Finally someone is talking about the motherboard costs. I was thinking of upgrading but the cheapest mobos cost twice as much as I paid for my H110 a few years ago. While they are great CPU's I am not surprised that AMDs CPUs are still holding value because a lot of people have a mobo and only need to upgrade the CPU. Even if you need to buy a motherboard for ryzen you have to spend less for it. I am a little dissapointed I went Intel not AMD because the upgrade path.
@@dallesamllhals9161 Well the price is a big change(more than 100% in 5 years is not what you'd expect). Socket change not news but... (and I have myself to blame) I would be a future teller at the time I bought my parts that AMD will do that well and won't change any sockets). Currently, if the price of the mobos stayed at least somewhat similar to AMD or previous gens, here and now I would buy intel for the cheaper option despite the previous socket changes only because AMD will also go AM5 in the near future too. Despite that, I think I won't buy any and wait for new AMD and Intel CPUs so I have an upgrade path to consider.
H610 motherboards cost twice what your H110 did? So you paid something like $50-65 for yours? Unless it was used, what kind of trash motherboard cost $60 new, even that long ago?
To be fair, the only new CPUs on AM4 are supposed to be the ryzen 3D units. I don't think that will be a meaningful upgrade. Also as someone who is still running a 4770k (although I am planning to upgrade this year, not because rig can't keep up with my gaming needs, but because I am starting to get into video editing and would like more CPU processing power) spending the extra $$ can often represent a ton of value over time. Sometimes splurges actually wind up cheaper because your system is capable for longer.
It is for E-Sports titles. Once you play a CPU intensive game the 12100 tanks performance. The 12400 CPU will last 2-3x longer, so the associated cost is well worth it if you're a gamer.
Idle power consumptions please. Important nowadays. The 12400 is the best for idle and moderate loads. Full loads are really important for final power consumption.
cant state it enogh the 12100f and 12400f, are by far the best gaming cpus out there atm even if paired with the B610/H660 boards. the small offset in price for a b660/h610 DDR4 board, is easy saved on the cpu price alone. and the extra IPC + feature set vs older gen intel or even AM4, is imo worth it, esp considering inflation prob influencing the newer parts prices. I also big time disagree with You tech yes, in the whole 10 series debate, since those cores are loong in the tooth by now (basicly 6500/6600/6700, cores, just a bit more of them). and we havnt seen such a large platform uplift in ages from intel (nor amd for that matter). gen5 support and extra DMI speed from cpu to chipset is huge for future proffing.
I bot the 12400f and paired it with a Gigabyte b660m hs3d DDR4 motherboard. It works great with 3200mghz memory. The most its drawing with stock settings at full load is 54 watts and a cinebench 20 score of 4707. At full load stock cooler keeps it at 71c. I put on a shadow rock 3 cooler from Be Quiet and can't get it above 54c at full load. Love it.
@@azharriaz14 I am, Cinebench score is 12200. The memory is running at advertised speed with XMP on in BIOS (3200 mghz). The cpu is running at 4.3 single core and 3.99 all core. Temps are running at 54c under heavy load with a Be Quiet shadow Rock3 installed. 70c with the included cooler installed. No problems so far and it's running everyday 9+ hours for 3 weeks.
@@cerescop so this mobo is good i jave 3200mhz rams 2 8gb sticks cl 18 i think and coolermaster ma410M cooler waiting for this mobo though. I was concerned by the performance of this mobo thats why i asked you
@@azharriaz14 My ram is 18-18-18-38 cl16. Could I have done better with the mobo, yes, for more money. I have had no complaints so far with the motherboard. It is functioning and doing what I wanted. The chip doesn't put out a lot of heat about any aftermarket cooler will do well. Good luck.
I wouldn't recommend R5 3600, it's not enough even for an RTX 3070 at 1440p in many games. If ever, the 12100f offers same performance but way cheaper. Also, the 12400f + TUF B660M-PLUS , at least in my region, costs the same as R5 5600X alone with the comparable performance.
that sounds impossible, 5600x is easily had under $300 these days, so in your region the 12400 and the b660 are both under $150? or im guessing its more like the 5600x is going for 400 over there and thats why
yeah the R5 3600 is dead to me now. If you can find one under €100 it's still a good deal, because a 5800X-ready B450 motherboard can be had for €40 used EZ, but I wouldn't pay anything over €100 for a 3600 at this point, and only for a system with a lower end GPU. (like a 1660 Super or similar)
@@HazewinDog I wouldn't bother with a used PCB right now, a good 450 board like an MSi MAX board costs £40-£60 new(TMAX 2 is £60 for example). 3600 is still a decent chip at the right price but I think if you're buying Zen 2 you should go for an 8 core to keep up when games start to be released for the new consoles that actually start leveraging the cores available to them.
Since a decent Motherboard cost is really high in my country i think going on older gen cpu is the option for me. i was tempted to get the i3-12100f but i still dont know if i really want to get that since the cost of the i3-12100f and cheapest bare bone motherboard in my country is the same as going Ryzen 7 2700 and a B450M Mortar Max. but still im not really rushed either since the GPU Price is still not looking great either in here.
Last year, I got 12400. The cooler model SE-214-XT keeps it cool and maxes at 60 when rendering. I upgraded from a classic 3930k, which I got 5 years ago. I bought it from Amazon and saw it was a good price. I didn't do any research Both of these chips have the same threads and cores,so why did the guy lie, saying Cpus hasn't shown a big jump? It's other cards like the i3 10th, even compared to other i3s and other i7s from the 11th or 9th generation, that show big jumps in power from the eras before it. It used to take me 5min to copy a ep from a DVD now it only takes 2min with 1 program and then with the other only takes 1min Renders for a 8hr 1440p used to take 4hr now takes only 2 Malwarebytes used to take 2hr now takes 10mins sometimes even 5mins same amount of files
Ive bought It with z690 UD ddr5 because Will use same shocket as Next Gen raptor Lake and It will last more time. Got one slot ddr5 16gb because It supose to be dual Channel It self. I think its smart
ye i already had a zed 490 and saw teh gaming pearformance of alder lake and its pretty much teh same as rocket lake so i ordered a i7 11700k for really cheap.
Similar although your chip is a bit faster- i5-4460 8gb ram and a IDE Drive to a 12400, 32gb ram and m.2 4.0 drive. Man I am looking forward the build, just waiting for my motherboard.
4:56 thanks to this chart. this still confirms my suspicion that Intel's 10nm is not equal TSMCs 7nm. Alder Lake definitely has better IPC than AMD but power consumption is behind the older Ryzen
@Amoled then that would lower boost clocks/performance. other media shows the same power usage because they use higher graphic settings which puts a gpu bottleneck unlike here where he used low/medium settings
I want to build a secondary PC! I think I'll get the 11400f instead especially because don't have many compatible coolers with the 12400f. I want to combine with my RTX 2070 Super
Should i go for the 12100f with this motherboard, if gaming is my primary (more like only) use case scenario. Yes, the 12400f has higher performance, but to use this cpu, i think b660 with vrm heatsinks is more optimal ( as in my region any 610 with heatsinks are not available), moreover, i would need better cooling solution. Pricings in my region: i5 12400f: $215 i3 12100f: $125 Gigabyte B660M Gaming: $125 Gigabyte B660M DS3H: $135 Asus Prime H610M-E: $100 I Have a budget of $260 for CPU and Mobo (i have other compoents) If i go for 12100f combo for $225, i would be left with $40 with which i can purchase another 8GB ram stick If i go for 12400f combo for $240, firstly i would have to increase my budget by around $100, above that, i would be stuck with 8 gigs of total ram I have a 1660 to pair this combo with is this the right choice
review the 12700f ? for 313 usd its pretty much 5600x msrp / 12600k msrp and it still has that 8+4 cores! it may be only 2.1ghz but thats to match the 65w tdp and the weak stock cooler. What if we dumped a cheap after marker cooler? could it boost itself to 4ghz if it has the thermal headroom?
Can you make a video how to install snowman cpu cooler, I bought this cooler an year ago based on your recommendation and I'm impressed with it's performance, using it on i7 8700(non-k) recently upgraded form i5 8400 and 8th gen processors are quite hot. So it will be useful for many of us if you help installing this cpu cooler which saves us little bit of money instead of getting newer cooler fornLGA 1700. Thanks keep this wonderful content coming. 🙏
The i3 12100F is about half the price again, yet performs almost just as well on alot of the games in question, and definitely close enough on the others to be a far better pick if looking for a budget gaming CPU, and really want 12th gen, IMO...
i would go for a used 10400f instead of a 12100f. you may get even more max fps on the i3 but the performance will be smoother on the older 6-core. u also can go used with the board and so on.
@@bertracoon1884 I was more looking at options for an upgrade with new parts, and looking at 12th gen, along with the prospects of picking up a better, possibly used, 12th gen CPU later...
@@ImRuined666 fair enough but here you can get a used i5 10400f for 100 bucks, the i3 12100f is 110. yeah, your uprade path is kind of limited but i dont think you need an upgrade for a mid range gaming rig. and at the time you would need one, there would be other options. you still could get a 10850, if you need more cores or a 11700k, if you need more single and multicore performance, later on, if you got a good b560 board. but still, i get where you are coming from. 12 th gen is kind of a big jump from 11th, in single core performance but the 10400f is a capable cpu and if you dont plan to get kind of a highend card, then there is not much more needed. those are decent 6 cores and 12 threads. maybe 8 would have been better but we are talking about a budget system, with a budget graphics card. ever penny kind of counts.
12400F with Snowman cooler wont blow any downward air on to surrounding motherboard components, using an AIO will be worse, 100c CPU will heat up those components.
the CPU does not run at 100°C with a better cooler (as shown in this video). You don't need that much airflow to help out the VRMs anyway, unless they are seriously underspecced for the task.
I'm considering prebuilt CyberPowerPC with this i5 and RTX 3060 (12GB RAM), but the company doesn't tell me the exact motherboard. I need it for not advanced Blender work and some basic gaming. I can't make my mind up if it will be a good setup 😬
These power consumption graphs are a bit unrealistic because almost all gamers turn on PBO2 on the AMD CPU's and then power efficiency is right out of the window. Pretty sure Intel has a equivalent, Turbo Boost Technology? Just measured my 5950X with PBO today and yikes, 200W.
I have a GTX 1070, and ordered this over an i3 12100F. I was looking for an upgrade from a B460M-A Pro and i3 10100F, and was recommended B660 and an i3 12100F, cause of my budget, and I ordered both, but ultimately decided to cancel the i3 order and splurge and get the i5 12400F after seeing it was recommended by benchmark over the i3 for gaming. My issue at the time, and right now while I wait for the parts, is I am CPU bottlenecked in MWII. Would this be okay to be paired with a 1070? I just want to stop the bottleneck lol. I do plan on getting a Hyper 212 EVO v2 as a nice budget cooler, but that's not for a week or two. Would it also be okay to use the stock cooler until then for gaming?
I've decided to buy this processor and pair it with a 3060 and a b660 motherboard , also I have the corsair hydro h100x as a cooler for the cpu do you think the build and cooling is sufficient and will run well?
"AT THAT TIME" ,, yes but the ram speed limitation hurt performance ,,,, I waited until B560 mobo's became cheap and then run a cheap 10400 with 3200 ram
Awesome comments already guys, got the RTX 3050 review dropping tomorrow too, so stay tuned!
Omg I am waiting
Waiting for price drops🙄
Is it good for triple screen racing?
Hi @Tech Yes City, I'm interested in getting this processor and pair it with h610 motherboard. I have a query on that which is given h610 does not allow memory overclocking will it run 3200mhz ram at 2400mhz and disable us from running it at rated speed? If it runs on 2400 how much performance will i lose?
@@KuipersRacing it's basically 1660s performance with RTX features
I recently got a bundle containing:
Asus TUF Gaming B660M-PLUS D4
i5-12400F
Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz
Asus GeForce RTX 3060 PHOENIX LHR 12GB
for 840€, I think that was a pretty good deal considering GPU prices atm. Really feels like the i5-12400F fits perfectly in something like this.
I got the exact same ram gpu motherboard and gpu lol
Hi are you still using the same pc ? Have you noticed any bending problems?
As always, good review.
I got my i3-10100f with Gigabyte B460 Aorus Pro and 2x8G 2666hhz Kingston Hyper mem in Sept 2020, its still good for me.
I need rather get some good deal gpu to replace my GTX1050.
I agree your 10100F is fine for gaming but if you want a little more fps, there are two things you can do.
(1) Tweak your memory timings. For example: My 2666 Mhz ram timings are 14-17-17-36-335-1T
tRFC timing affects gaming fps. Be sure to lower it.
(2) Get a pci-e sound card (not usb sound)
A pci-e sound card will give a few more fps, especially when the cpu is near 100% usage
I bought the 12700k over some ryzen options and while it ended up being a better option the price of the motherboards were definitely surprising to me as someone who hasn't upgraded since skylake.
how are prices of motherboards? High or low?
@@warrax111 I paid 220 for a basic ddr4 z690 ( MSI one) with no wifi and frills. I think that feels pretty high to mme.
@@vgamedude12 yes. It's quite high, for last years. But... before ultra cheap motherboards it was like that.
I've calculated according inflation, how much costed motherboards around year 2000, and it was around 280-400$ for mid range motherboards. The higher one, Abit and Asus costed like 500-600$.
So it's still quite cheap, when you compare it with history.
You could have paid just $30 more and get a much better motherboard.
@@gurjindersingh3843 Not really sure what else I would need. I don't need wifi, don't want ddr5 etc.
really happy with my 11400F, it was cheaper than ryzen 5 when i first bought it and ive been very happy with it
I get a 11400f, few days after 12600k launch, i know 12th was a nice improvement, but a decent motherboard is so expensive, i get a Msi b560m bazooka for 115€ brand new but a comparable lga1700 would cost at least 60% more
@@Tonyx.yt. that's actually the ONLY 11th Gen Intel chip worth buying. 15-20% better IPC performance and a better box cooler (copper slug) to boot!
@@gionieves2646 i dont even touched the box cooler and i used instead my old but good hyper x 212 evo.
despite completly unlocked power limit of the cpu, the temperatures are quite good, because unlike ryzen or 12th gen, the cpu die is very large and has an easier dissipation of power.
@@Tonyx.yt. surprisingly if you use the stock PL1 and PL2 the box cooler does perfectly fine. About 60-70s in gaming.
@@gionieves2646 15 to 20% IPC over 10th gen?
I got the 10105 for $99.99 USD. What a deal for a work and school PC.
Ggs congrats
Had been really cool to see a video with the 12400F/12100F and a "der8auer non K OC" compared to the results in this video
Yea, I'm surprised he didn't OC it, one of the first TechYesCity videos I watched was about BCLK overclocking non-K first gen. intel Core (and Xeon) CPUs.
Non K OCable Mobo cost as much as Z690 so it's better not to OC at this moment. Focus on memory still the top prio.
@@floorgang420 i come from future and B660M Rog Steix bclk chip unlock cost 150 bucks
Haven't seen one of your vids for a while. Loving the C&C music at the end
I’m doing a cpu upgrade in the next few weeks because my old 4690k just can’t handle halo infinite above 60 fps and discord at the same time. And as much as I’d love to get the 12400f because it’s the newest and the fastest etc etc, the fact that I can get a 10400f for $198 and a decent b560 mobo for $179 completely wipes the floor of the value proposition of the 12400f which costs $299 (not that bad, but still not great) and the equivalent b660 mobo which costs $349. $377 vs $648, the 12400f + mobo just doesn’t seem worth an extra 71% of the price of the 10400f + mobo imo. Especially considering I still have a GTX 970 so I doubt I’d see any performance increase in games with the 12400f over the 10400f since my GPU is so old so I’m almost certain to be GPU bound in everything I play
The 12600K only adds 10% faster clock speeds and 4 ecores which adds a few frames only when you're CPU bound and already above 120 frames. It also slurps more power and runs up the thermals. The 12100 was going for almost the same price, so the extra 2 cores of the 12400 was only $40.
12600K is much smoother, gives better 1% low
@@gurjindersingh3843 can you be more specific with what you mean here
@@areamannamesyoutubechannel3139 Means that there will be no noticeable stutters. Which will be crucial in gaming.
@@kuronoch.1441 well a person doesn't need to get that chip for less stutters
@@gurjindersingh3843 wrong cause lots of people have these 11th and others and have no stutters
Me who invested in a Ryzen 5 3600 back in July 2019, smiling in the corner knowing it was a worthwhile investment.
Thanks for answering my question! I have a Snowman, might see if I can find a suitable power monitor sometime and do a real test, see what happens just for lols. :D I'm sure you're right though, probably just a small difference.
Now the value of these CPUs comes with the non k overclock capable motherboards der8auer presented in a review. I'm going to be building some new work PCs to accommodate a couple new workers and opted for waiting these mobos paired with locked i7s and it's going to be more performance and cheaper than Ryzen 5800x
Attention to those who want to buy.
Intel 12th Gen non-K CPU SA voltage（VCCSA） is locked at 0.92V, This causes the RAM to unstable under DDR4 3600MHz Gear 1 or higher , Even some RAM with XMP will not be able to boot.
Gear2 will introduce higher latency, which will result in lower framerates for gamers.
I don't know why Intel did this, maybe to give the K-series CPUs an edge,maybe it's to force users to buy expensive DDR5 RAM.
I just bought the 12700, I don't want to overclock, just want to use cheaper DDR4 RAM, But Intel takes away even that. I'm very disappointed now.
So I would like to remind people who want to buy Intel 12th Gen non-K CPU.
Don't waste your money on DDR4 3600 memory.
DDR4 3200 is the limit.
If you want better memory performance, buy DDR5 memory.
Or zen3 5600x+DDR4 3600 or higher.
Faster RAM isnt worth it for gaming anyways you are better off with 32gb 3200 than 16gb 4000 in the long run.
@@eclipsegst9419 Under the same capacity gear1, 4000c18>3600c16>3200c14
@@eclipsegst9419 Faster ram definitely is beneficial as well as having more of it. There is a diminishing of returns in performance in Ryzen when you start to go over 3600mhz just like the amount of ram you have when you go over 32gbs depending on your use case. 3600mhz with 32gbs is the sweet spot for the majority on Ryzen.
@@ZackSNetwork I've ran the numbers and the difference between the best and just regular rated-speed ram is not worth the dollars spent in my book. It will not give you any sort of difference you can see on your screen with your eyes, and next year a new cpu will render your "advantage" irrelevant. Or you could get a new GPU, also render it irrelevant. Now, if you already have the rest of your rig at the level you want and you have extra in the budget anyways? 1- I envy you but 2- sure get that last 5fps good on you. But i wouldn't recommend anyone on a budget worry about ram speed as any sort of main priority.
@@zkbskcwi2320 32GB DDR4 4000cl19 Trident Z costs 330 dollars. 3200cl14 costs 240 dollars. Thats just one brand but whatever, it's a 37.5% increase. You aren't going to see anywhere near a 37.5% performance increase, in anything. That's my point. Sure it is "better" but that doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
Can always count on the Tech Yes Man to prioritize that Price/Performance!👍❤
That's funny. My stock cooler with the 3600 would always peg at 95 degrees full-bore and clock down to almost base clocks at all core workloads (3.6-3.65ghz). I got a Snowman and got it down to 70-80 at peak utilization, with boost clocks now in the 3.9ghz range - thus I did still lose performance by using the stock AMD cooler.
Alright! Once again, the Tech YES Man brings us the good stuff to help us make an informed purchase decision. Keep up the great work, good sir!
i got a 12400f cpu on christmas 2022 for gaming and editing and a gtx 1660super and its awesome! thank you tech yes and i got a overkill cooler from thermalright (peerless assassin)
What mothedboard did you choose
Hi are you still using the same pc? And have you noticed any CPU bending? Can I buy?
Just to note: you’ve got a C0 stepping 12400 there (SRL4W S-spec), that’s the large die, same as 12900K for instance. There’s also the H0 stepping with a smaller die (SRL5Z S-spec) that consumes less power.
That's interesting information. Where do you see that?
Running 12400f on b760m ds3h and rx 6600xt plus 5200mhz 16gb xpg ddr5. Whatever game I throw at it, it does the magic.
No mention of the game changing overclock possible currently on the 12400, once this info becomes more widespread this CPU will most likely go up in price than down.
Are you reffering to overclocking of base clock available on certain madly expensive z690 boards? How does that help if the MB that allows it is more expensive than CPU itself? Someone buying board like taht just gets 12600k or better cpu.
Unless ofc there is some b660 board oc I am not aware of that surfaced in the recent days.
@@Dexiefy you mean B660 mbos that cost 150 euro? i came from future tho Rog Striz B660M -G and MSI B660 Mortar thanks me later
@@mladendenni7062 It was shown first time on z690 boards by de8auer and at the time of my comment those were the only boards cappable of overclocking non-k cpu's. They also at the time were way more expensive than they are now... In case you are too daft to see it, my comment was written 8 months ago.
So... cool story bro.
My best value cpu is the friendships I’ve made along the way with my other tech yes city brothers 😎
If you go for this the b660 that can bclk oc is a must! It will perform like the 12600k
Definitely a thorough assessment!
ahh what a bummer. I was waiting for your review to say what was the honest opinion. I was looking up for this cpu maybe was the time I upgrade. ohh well next gen is just another year away :P
will wait for a little bit more
I used a Asus Prime B660M-K which works fine. Didn't destroy my budget like the Z690 mobo does.
The stock LGA1700 cooler is just horrendously loud. It keeps the cpu degrees away from thermal throttling so i got a Hyper 212 evo V2 and now the temps are amazing.
I agree on 10400f point. Think it was the best budget cpu for a while and i honestly think it remains the best value cpu on the market. Maybe 11400f could dethrone it right now, depends on regional prices i guess.
You can get 10400f+b560 mb+3200mhz+ ram for less than 12100f+B660(let alone 12400f) and no ram included. One can make an argument that 12100f would give pcie 4.0 (pretty useless for quite a while, especially for budget gamer) and that you can later swap in a better cpu. Problem with that is that then you really do not want to go with cheapest MB out there and you want something like Asus b600 prime which raises the cost even more. Same story is with 12400f, you rather want semi decent board for it and suddenly you end up paying for entire thing like 180-200% of what 10400f setup would cost you. Recently calculating all that i ended with 12400f+board+ram+cooler cost nealy as much as 5600x setup on a very good MB (like really, Tomahawk max II b450 is like half the price of cheapest ATX b660 board).
Meanwhile if you want to upgrade from 10400f, you can just sell mb+cpu (much easier to sell than random i3) and just buy new stuff once you have funds for it.
And with a midrange gpu you really will be hard pressed to notice the difference while gaming.
Then there is ofc ryzen 3 3600 which came down in price a bit and probably will get even cheaper that comes in with much cheaper board which also gives you plethora of great cpus to upgrade to down the line.
All that being said, 12400f is a great CPU, at a great price, but it's general value is being held back strongly by motherboard costs.
I do think that H610 mb with 12400 is a good price/performance combo, and I do consider it as an upgrade for my current system (it's not perfect, but with prices in my area it's good enough) but right now I don't have good enough GPU to feel the difference, so I will pass for now...
honestly the same, no matter how good the new cpus/platforms look, I'll have to upgrade my gpu forst to feel the difference
Safe the money and get a 660 board. 610s area ok for a 12100.... Not a 12400. Very weak power delivery and not worth the $20-40 difference. I got an ASRock B660M for $95 for a 12400 and it works flawlessly.
B 660 and non k i7 or i9 with bclk oc could be great value.
@@gionieves2646 it's enough for what I do, I'm not 144Hz AAA gamer, but in my country price difference for those is huge ($120 is only a H610 board)
there is a 99dls h610 on amazon but i dont know if i should get it seems very very cheap. then we have 660s but the cheapest one is 140...
I think for a good all around mid level gaming system, the 12400 and even the 12100 are actually very good value especially as DDR4 is so cheap so all told $400 gets you a decent platform with the 12400/B660 and DDR4 ram at 3600 and that will allow for upgradability in the future. Problems as always, right now is the GPU prices have thrown everything into a tail spin and thus going second hand like 10th gen Intel, AMD 3600 etc really comes into play as the more you can save towards your GPU the better right now. Still if you are buying NEW right now then 12th gen is the stronger platform. I wish AMD would seriously drop prices of the 5600X/5800X etc and they need to produce low end CPU's for the next cycle as right now Intel have that all tied up with a bow!
Seeing how close the 10400F was in the gaming benchmarks I completely agree with your conclusion. I've found the stock cooler is fine for the lower powered 10400F, however I did order a few 11th gen stock coolers as they have the all black look, but any cheap air cooler will do.
My 10400 gets to 72c max with the stock cooler.
@@propeldragon How many fans do you have in the case and does the case have good airflow ? 72 degrees at max temp is not going to do any damage to the CPU, but you can always get a cheap air cooler if you want to lower those temps.
@@rathstar it's on a open air test bench. I'm not worried about the temps. Theyre perfect. If anything, some better thermal paste might help a bit.
@@propeldragon Sorry I misinterpreted your replay as suggesting that 72 degrees was hot, and now rereading it I see you weren't.
Great video! Lets hope that ASUS starts making DDR4 Mobos capable of overclocking. der8auer made a great video about non K OC for Alder Lake on ASUS mobos. That is really gonna change the budget cpu landscape.
thanks man. good to see some New World benchies as well man.
I think ill get this. I am Upgrading from an athlon 860k. Cpu ram and Mobo are getting a swap and its will cost me under 400 for an upgrade and thiw review just answered exactly what I want this cpu to do
I'd love to see you get an asrock h670 riptide and test with this cpu along with the non k 12 series skus that are coming in the future. The value prospects look amazing.
Did someone say value? Instant like
My 12400f has been amazing coupled it with a RTX 3060ti and honestly I regret the GPU more than the CPU. But I'm waiting for the 5 series to come out.
i bought an i3 10100f 80euros , asrock mainoard 67euros , 8gb ram 23euros all together same price for i5 10400 only.
nice, pulling any frames on your budgetbox?
How much of a difference in performance is there on DDR4? I don't believe for one second a budget builder will be or should be buying DDR5 for that build. I would imagine good 3200 or 3600 would be 3-7% less performance, depending on the use. Depending on the use case, going up a CPU tier or doubling the Ram would be a better idea than DDR5. Obviously DDR5 would show its value, once you migrate it to a future build.
DDR5 is not worth buying yet because it's too new so it's not reached it's optimum performance and price. Software is also not coded to fully utilise it. I'll go to a DDR5 machine in a couple of years when prices and supply are standardised.
wow, that 12100 is up there with the big boys
i bought this CPU yesterday and paired it with MSI PRO H610M-B and with a tower fan CPU cooler, I upgraded from Core i5-3470 but because lack of funds so I only upgrade the Motherboard, CPU and RAM, so the GPU is still my old 1050ti and 2 HDD and 2 SSD (I saw an m2 slot on the motherboard maybe will consider trying m2) I hope I made the correct decision with this upgrade
12100 is calling my name. Even with B660 pricing i can resell my 3300x/B550 for most of the cost of 12100/B660. I made a call when i bought my 3300x. I placed my bet that single threaded gains from this performance war would be so high that 4c/8t would be plenty enough for gaming again very quickly, and i could ride those gains for a small cost per year. I feel like the 12100 playing AAA "quad core killers" with better fps AND lows than the 3600 speaks for itself.
Ummm... why not just... upgrade to a better amd processor and not buy all new stuff?
@@jurpo6 AM4 is dead, there is no 5300x, and even if there were the i3 would still beat it. Not to mention, my Ryzen has crashed and needed dumb driver issues worked out way way more often than my Intels before it so ill be done with AMD for awhile anyways even if they can make a fast CPU they need to make a stable one. Also their idea of overclocking is a joke you can't set the ratios separately for each number of active cores, so i'd rather just not even waste my money on the feature anyways, everything is over 4ghz out of the box so why bother? When 13th gen i3 comes out ill plop one in, then when meteor lake comes out ill resell the mobo at a small loss again. I'm glad to have a small loss every few months for a jump in single threaded performance, thats all that matters for 99% of things anyways.
Great review. I bought a h610 mobo for 60 euro and the i5 12400f for 90 euro. Great deal!
I disagree with your recommendation. The LGA 1700 B660 can be had for around $100-120 and the 12400F CPU for less than $200. What this gets you is your foot in the latest and greatest platform. AM4 is on its way out and the 10-11th Gen Intel CPU are way behind the 12th gen CPUs in IPC performance. I say the 12400 and a B660M is the perfect buy for 90% of new users or those on Intel 6-9th Gen CPUs and AMD 1000-3000 series CPUs. The box cooler is perfect as long as you tweak the fan curve, tweak the PL2 settings and have a nice case with good airflow.
Great video! Keep them cranking!
It doesn't work for everybody though. In my country a decent B660 cost equivalent to 300 usd and z690 400+. It's too expensive compared to AMD and not that faster compared to Zen3 if we're being honest.
@@RafitoOoO for gaming you're right, especially outside of the US.
I watched other videos and the benchmark result with 12400 use far less wattage (almost half) when compared to 5600x. Which one is the right one?
What about testing this chip with a H610 board or a cheap B660 board. The "forever boosting" is not unlocked on all motherboards. From what I understand from Intel it isn't unlocked at all on H610 and is only on some B660 boards. This means that only Z690 has full boosting capabilities (unlimited time PL2). This also destroys the value of the chip relative to its performance. Especially considering that the 12400F + a B660 board is about the same price as a 5600x + B450/B550 board.
I got a msi Z690 + i5 12400f + 16gb of ram all for $300. If you can get a deal like that the price to performance ratio is insane
I get this CPU for $172 and paired with $131 B550M motherboard.
I think with just $303 this CPU has best price to performance right now (even compared to 12100f I guest). There is no CPU under $175 can beat this level of performance,
Everyone called this CPU Budget King for a reason.
but if you are on a tight budget and dont mind used parts, then i would go for a 10400/f or ryzen 3600x.
The associated costs are not a problem, because you meet them in both amd and intel worlds... For example, amd's factory coolers may be adequate but they sound like a helicopter, so yes, you'll need an aftermarket cooler for intel and amd cpus. Now, about the motherboards, the new b660 and z690 come loaded with new technologies and they are still new in the market. It is expected to be much more expensive than the 560's and the 590's... Wait some months and their prices will go down as happens always (let's leave aside the chip "shortage phenomenon"). Always the new technology, the first months, ask for more money... The same can be said for the DDR5 too. So I don't see any disadvantage on 12400f. Besides, you have not any other alternative option in the amd world... Whatever new part buy NOW in the AMD platform , will be obsolete in a few months when series 7xxx come out, because then, for the new cpu, will need new motherboard, new cooler and new RAM (only DDR5) and they will be more expensive (as new technologies) too ... But with 12400f you can keep the motherboard and the DDR4 for one more generation next year...
I just got the 12400T off eBay for $129. Cheap, AND low heat/power draw.
I would argue the 12100f is best value due to it being 130 bucks but only a hair slower than a 5600x in multicore work loads and most likely far better in gaming if the i3 is overclocked a lot.
Edit, so apparantly intel 12th gen cpus love to bend so much to the point the pc wont boot. So yeah I would like to take back all my words. And stay away from this low quality socker 1700. Anything is better really
@@tilburg8683 should I go for ryzen 5 5600x Or 12400f?
@@FactusCactus 12400f is faster way faster if you oc it, I got my i3 12100f to be just like 2%+/- slower in cpuz multicore and im pretty sure it was 30%+ faster in single core.
But I did get issues with the cpu bending. Not that amd has no issues I got some faulty 5600x once that I ended up just returning and waiting longer to see what would come out next.
And the intel issue is common enough to were its a known problem, and intel knows it but like its supposed to be like that.
Were as the amd thing obviously not, and is refundable were as the intel thing not.
@@tilburg8683 I mean u got a faulty 5600x, but have u ever tried 5600x in a good condition and compared with 12400f?
@@FactusCactus yeah just compare results in the cpuz database. It has nothing to do with my faulty 5600x im just saying how things are intels cpus are way faster a overclocked 12400f could get close to a r7 maybe overtake it. But amd is more reliable, and there arent many boards for intel to overclock so you have limited options.
Its just intel is way faster and amd is more reliable and depending on what board you buy maybe a little cheaper. Altho it looks like you really want pcie 4.0 now so motherboards will be priced around the same if you have the same pricing as where I live
Just getting back into gaming on pc since the 90s I happen come across a good prebuilt it has this cpu, with 3060rtx 12gb ddr6, ram is only 16gb one stick gonna add more there and then 1tb HD and I can run all modern new games that I play on highest graphics settings and still get 120fps good setup for 1080 I’ll upgrade here in future for gpu and stuff but yeah good cpu for what I do warzone, fortnite games like that
Great presentation and well balanced. Thank you
That i7 vs i3/i5 fact is why I got 4000Mhz DDR4. It might not be as good as 3600 with a lower latency but people see a higher number.
speed trump lower latency so your argument makes less sense than other stuff written on UA-cam - kidding, its all crazy dumb
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 If you say so. That's why DDR5 is SO FAR ahead of DDR4. Lol
If you're gonna get the new platform, might as well get the 12700 with it as well.
That will also give you performance with no compromises at decent efficiency.
no
At about $370 vs $210 for the 12400 🙄 It's only money.
Thank you so much @Tech Yes City. I have a question regarding your final thoughts. If one were to wait to buy an I5 12400 and an H610 motherboard, wouldn’t you be giving up memory overclocking ability? I haven’t looked at the specific differences of the newest chipsets for the 12th generation Intel Alder Lake platform. I’m going by what I know from past generations. Also does that make much of a difference with a CPU like this?
Yes on the H610 no overclocking and it is severely cut down in other areas as well. But on the bright side the 12100 and 12400 non K CPU's can be overclocked on some B660 motherboards through FSB overclocking. der8auer did a great article on this. Still I would not go down to H610 no matter what. Get the B660 at the very least to get the best out of 12th gen...I have a 12700K and I am more than impressed and happy as competition is back...
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@@vMaxHeadroom thank you!
What cooler would you recommend for this? I'm looking at simple 120mm rad AIOs and maybe even that Ventroo 5, you have any you've tested you like?
this cpu is insane i wished 12th gen mobs weren't so expensive in my country cheapest mob for 12th gen is 200 eur and for amd 5th gen is only 65 eur
Finally someone is talking about the motherboard costs. I was thinking of upgrading but the cheapest mobos cost twice as much as I paid for my H110 a few years ago. While they are great CPU's I am not surprised that AMDs CPUs are still holding value because a lot of people have a mobo and only need to upgrade the CPU. Even if you need to buy a motherboard for ryzen you have to spend less for it. I am a little dissapointed I went Intel not AMD because the upgrade path.
INTEL™ Boards price and sockets change = News?
@@dallesamllhals9161 Well the price is a big change(more than 100% in 5 years is not what you'd expect). Socket change not news but... (and I have myself to blame) I would be a future teller at the time I bought my parts that AMD will do that well and won't change any sockets). Currently, if the price of the mobos stayed at least somewhat similar to AMD or previous gens, here and now I would buy intel for the cheaper option despite the previous socket changes only because AMD will also go AM5 in the near future too. Despite that, I think I won't buy any and wait for new AMD and Intel CPUs so I have an upgrade path to consider.
@@krzysztofpaszkiewicz1274 HEY! Sry'! AMD Socket AM3 (1100T@4GHz) here in 2022 ;-D
And yeah! AMD AM5 = pins on the 'board. GO-Go-go-do...
H610 motherboards cost twice what your H110 did? So you paid something like $50-65 for yours? Unless it was used, what kind of trash motherboard cost $60 new, even that long ago?
To be fair, the only new CPUs on AM4 are supposed to be the ryzen 3D units. I don't think that will be a meaningful upgrade. Also as someone who is still running a 4770k (although I am planning to upgrade this year, not because rig can't keep up with my gaming needs, but because I am starting to get into video editing and would like more CPU processing power) spending the extra $$ can often represent a ton of value over time. Sometimes splurges actually wind up cheaper because your system is capable for longer.
I think the i3-12100f is even better value than this for budget gamers.
I thought it stutter in some games in the frame time graphs.
It is for E-Sports titles. Once you play a CPU intensive game the 12100 tanks performance. The 12400 CPU will last 2-3x longer, so the associated cost is well worth it if you're a gamer.
only 2630v2 ;)
@@gionieves2646 2-3x longer lol, sure
Gonna go out on a limb here. 4 cores is just barely going to do it these days.
10th gen still a solid buy, keep up the good work! 👍
i am just impressed with the numbers of i3 12100f in gaming such a decent cpu with only 4cores
Idle power consumptions please. Important nowadays. The 12400 is the best for idle and moderate loads. Full loads are really important for final power consumption.
cant state it enogh the 12100f and 12400f, are by far the best gaming cpus out there atm even if paired with the B610/H660 boards. the small offset in price for a b660/h610 DDR4 board, is easy saved on the cpu price alone. and the extra IPC + feature set vs older gen intel or even AM4, is imo worth it, esp considering inflation prob influencing the newer parts prices. I also big time disagree with You tech yes, in the whole 10 series debate, since those cores are loong in the tooth by now (basicly 6500/6600/6700, cores, just a bit more of them). and we havnt seen such a large platform uplift in ages from intel (nor amd for that matter). gen5 support and extra DMI speed from cpu to chipset is huge for future proffing.
I agree with whole platform uplift. As 10 series don't have pcie 4 support i think. I am not sure.
@@anuragbishnoi3208 Pcie4 wont probably make a difference for an average user. unless youre using the 6500xt
Wow can't believe you didn't talk about the overclocking of the 12400f and other non K overclocking possibilities of 12th gen.
Thanks Yes Man!
Not worth 3% gains
@@SVW1976 44% in AI bench ca n single core to 5.3Ghz and all core 4.9Ghz
Hey Bryan, In your bar chart from I9-12900k until I3-10100F where does the E5 2699 v3 sits?
I bot the 12400f and paired it with a Gigabyte b660m hs3d DDR4 motherboard. It works great with 3200mghz memory. The most its drawing with stock settings at full load is 54 watts and a cinebench 20 score of 4707. At full load stock cooler keeps it at 71c. I put on a shadow rock 3 cooler from Be Quiet and can't get it above 54c at full load. Love it.
Are you satisfied with your mobo i heared bad reviews about it and i m thinking about buying 12400 and this mobo
@@azharriaz14 I am, Cinebench score is 12200. The memory is running at advertised speed with XMP on in BIOS (3200 mghz). The cpu is running at 4.3 single core and 3.99 all core. Temps are running at 54c under heavy load with a Be Quiet shadow Rock3 installed. 70c with the included cooler installed. No problems so far and it's running everyday 9+ hours for 3 weeks.
@@cerescop so this mobo is good i jave 3200mhz rams 2 8gb sticks cl 18 i think and coolermaster ma410M cooler waiting for this mobo though. I was concerned by the performance of this mobo thats why i asked you
@@azharriaz14 My ram is 18-18-18-38 cl16. Could I have done better with the mobo, yes, for more money. I have had no complaints so far with the motherboard. It is functioning and doing what I wanted. The chip doesn't put out a lot of heat about any aftermarket cooler will do well. Good luck.
@@cerescop In my area i m getting Gigabyte b660 ds3h not hs3 what should i do
Hey Tech YES City great video as usual i wanna ask can u do a review on the i9 11900 ES QVYE its 190$ banger atm what do you think ??
Don't forget the $40 Thermal Grizzly CPU Contact Frame for the new LGA 1700 boards.
got the i5-12400 at Microcenter for $170 beginning March. Best buy period. Not using it for games really, just as a server/plex/nas/programming/ML
I wouldn't recommend R5 3600, it's not enough even for an RTX 3070 at 1440p in many games. If ever, the 12100f offers same performance but way cheaper. Also, the 12400f + TUF B660M-PLUS , at least in my region, costs the same as R5 5600X alone with the comparable performance.
that sounds impossible, 5600x is easily had under $300 these days, so in your region the 12400 and the b660 are both under $150? or im guessing its more like the 5600x is going for 400 over there and thats why
yeah the R5 3600 is dead to me now. If you can find one under €100 it's still a good deal, because a 5800X-ready B450 motherboard can be had for €40 used EZ, but I wouldn't pay anything over €100 for a 3600 at this point, and only for a system with a lower end GPU. (like a 1660 Super or similar)
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 Like 140 plus 170 USD
@@HazewinDog
I wouldn't bother with a used PCB right now, a good 450 board like an MSi MAX board costs £40-£60 new(TMAX 2 is £60 for example). 3600 is still a decent chip at the right price but I think if you're buying Zen 2 you should go for an 8 core to keep up when games start to be released for the new consoles that actually start leveraging the cores available to them.
9:43 isn't the 11400f even more power hungry than the 12400f ?
Since a decent Motherboard cost is really high in my country i think going on older gen cpu is the option for me. i was tempted to get the i3-12100f but i still dont know if i really want to get that since the cost of the i3-12100f and cheapest bare bone motherboard in my country is the same as going Ryzen 7 2700 and a B450M Mortar Max. but still im not really rushed either since the GPU Price is still not looking great either in here.
Also my montly salary is only $110 so its really hard for me to spend money even if its just another $5-10
Last year, I got 12400. The cooler model SE-214-XT keeps it cool and maxes at 60 when rendering. I upgraded from a classic 3930k, which I got 5 years ago. I bought it from Amazon and saw it was a good price. I didn't do any research Both of these chips have the same threads and cores,so why did the guy lie, saying Cpus hasn't shown a big jump?
It's other cards like the i3 10th, even compared to other i3s and other i7s from the 11th or 9th generation, that show big jumps in power from the eras before it.
It used to take me 5min to copy a ep from a DVD now it only takes 2min with 1 program and then with the other only takes 1min
Renders for a 8hr 1440p used to take 4hr now takes only 2
Malwarebytes used to take 2hr now takes 10mins sometimes even 5mins same amount of files
Great video mate
I just got an i5 11400F that I wan to use in an iTX build. Only reason I got it was that I got it for Intels recommended sale price: around $150 USD
Ive bought It with z690 UD ddr5 because Will use same shocket as Next Gen raptor Lake and It will last more time.
Got one slot ddr5 16gb because It supose to be dual Channel It self.
I think its smart
ye i already had a zed 490 and saw teh gaming pearformance of alder lake and its pretty much teh same as rocket lake so i ordered a i7 11700k for really cheap.
I had i7 3770 and upgraded to 12400f, my lord the difference is UNREAL, 3770 came out in 2012 i think, so thats to be expected
Similar although your chip is a bit faster- i5-4460 8gb ram and a IDE Drive to a 12400, 32gb ram and m.2 4.0 drive. Man I am looking forward the build, just waiting for my motherboard.
just got this for $160 and motherboard for $100. Should be amazing with the 3080. Cheers!
4:56 thanks to this chart. this still confirms my suspicion that Intel's 10nm is not equal TSMCs 7nm. Alder Lake definitely has better IPC than AMD but power consumption is behind the older Ryzen
@Amoled then that would lower boost clocks/performance. other media shows the same power usage because they use higher graphic settings which puts a gpu bottleneck unlike here where he used low/medium settings
I want to build a secondary PC! I think I'll get the 11400f instead especially because don't have many compatible coolers with the 12400f.
I want to combine with my RTX 2070 Super
Should i go for the 12100f with this motherboard, if gaming is my primary (more like only) use case scenario. Yes, the 12400f has higher performance, but to use this cpu, i think b660 with vrm heatsinks is more optimal ( as in my region any 610 with heatsinks are not available), moreover, i would need better cooling solution.
Pricings in my region:
i5 12400f: $215
i3 12100f: $125
Gigabyte B660M Gaming: $125
Gigabyte B660M DS3H: $135
Asus Prime H610M-E: $100
I Have a budget of $260 for CPU and Mobo (i have other compoents)
If i go for 12100f combo for $225, i would be left with $40 with which i can purchase another 8GB ram stick
If i go for 12400f combo for $240, firstly i would have to increase my budget by around $100, above that, i would be stuck with 8 gigs of total ram
I have a 1660 to pair this combo with
is this the right choice
How did you mount the snowman on the 12th gen proc?
YESMAN hows that Asrock z690 Taichi board on overclocking>?
review the 12700f ? for 313 usd its pretty much 5600x msrp / 12600k msrp and it still has that 8+4 cores! it may be only 2.1ghz but thats to match the 65w tdp and the weak stock cooler. What if we dumped a cheap after marker cooler? could it boost itself to 4ghz if it has the thermal headroom?
Thanks for this 🙏🏻
Can you make a video how to install snowman cpu cooler, I bought this cooler an year ago based on your recommendation and I'm impressed with it's performance, using it on i7 8700(non-k) recently upgraded form i5 8400 and 8th gen processors are quite hot. So it will be useful for many of us if you help installing this cpu cooler which saves us little bit of money instead of getting newer cooler fornLGA 1700. Thanks keep this wonderful content coming. 🙏
Hi Bryan, I would like to ask whether the xeon e5 2678 v3 is good for price to performance even if the x99 motherboards are getting expensive?
Brooo i played with you when you did that apex bench mark!
The i3 12100F is about half the price again, yet performs almost just as well on alot of the games in question, and definitely close enough on the others to be a far better pick if looking for a budget gaming CPU, and really want 12th gen, IMO...
i would go for a used 10400f instead of a 12100f. you may get even more max fps on the i3 but the performance will be smoother on the older 6-core. u also can go used with the board and so on.
@@bertracoon1884 I was more looking at options for an upgrade with new parts, and looking at 12th gen, along with the prospects of picking up a better, possibly used, 12th gen CPU later...
@@ImRuined666 fair enough but here you can get a used i5 10400f for 100 bucks, the i3 12100f is 110. yeah, your uprade path is kind of limited but i dont think you need an upgrade for a mid range gaming rig. and at the time you would need one, there would be other options. you still could get a 10850, if you need more cores or a 11700k, if you need more single and multicore performance, later on, if you got a good b560 board. but still, i get where you are coming from. 12 th gen is kind of a big jump from 11th, in single core performance but the 10400f is a capable cpu and if you dont plan to get kind of a highend card, then there is not much more needed. those are decent 6 cores and 12 threads. maybe 8 would have been better but we are talking about a budget system, with a budget graphics card. ever penny kind of counts.
@@bertracoon1884 Rediculous argument ,, you are TOTTALY wrong
12400F with Snowman cooler wont blow any downward air on to surrounding motherboard components, using an AIO will be worse, 100c CPU will heat up those components.
the CPU does not run at 100°C with a better cooler (as shown in this video). You don't need that much airflow to help out the VRMs anyway, unless they are seriously underspecced for the task.
11:15 Does the Snowman cooler work for LGA1700?
I'm considering prebuilt CyberPowerPC with this i5 and RTX 3060 (12GB RAM), but the company doesn't tell me the exact motherboard. I need it for not advanced Blender work and some basic gaming. I can't make my mind up if it will be a good setup 😬
These power consumption graphs are a bit unrealistic because almost all gamers turn on PBO2 on the AMD CPU's and then power efficiency is right out of the window. Pretty sure Intel has a equivalent, Turbo Boost Technology? Just measured my 5950X with PBO today and yikes, 200W.
My b550 is overvolting the CPU, so i manually set the vcore, for heat and noise...
I have a GTX 1070, and ordered this over an i3 12100F. I was looking for an upgrade from a B460M-A Pro and i3 10100F, and was recommended B660 and an i3 12100F, cause of my budget, and I ordered both, but ultimately decided to cancel the i3 order and splurge and get the i5 12400F after seeing it was recommended by benchmark over the i3 for gaming.
My issue at the time, and right now while I wait for the parts, is I am CPU bottlenecked in MWII. Would this be okay to be paired with a 1070? I just want to stop the bottleneck lol. I do plan on getting a Hyper 212 EVO v2 as a nice budget cooler, but that's not for a week or two. Would it also be okay to use the stock cooler until then for gaming?
I've decided to buy this processor and pair it with a 3060 and a b660 motherboard , also I have the corsair hydro h100x as a cooler for the cpu do you think the build and cooling is sufficient and will run well?
Absoultely fine. More than enough. You will want the LGA1700 retrofit kit for the Corsair Cooler.
@@mattscomp yeah thankyou I have this built now , performs really well in every game I've played
@@reece3406 no worries and good to hear :-)
Will this cpu be good for one pc gaming/streaming builds?
I always love your work always brother
Which API do you use for your Fortnite benchmarks?
I really love my 10400f it was bargain buy at that time.
"AT THAT TIME" ,, yes but the ram speed limitation hurt performance ,,,, I waited until B560 mobo's became cheap and then run a cheap 10400 with 3200 ram