Elijah Craig Barrel Proof Laser Code Issue Real OR Fake?
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2024
- The Elijah Craig C923 was one of the best batches Heaven Hill has put out in a long time. BUT now people have found out there are two laser codes and A LOT OF THEM are saying they are different. Is ECBP c923 a23 better than laser code a22 or are they still the exact same?
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I did a two bottle B520 comparison last night. Different laser codes. The winner was me…
That is my favorite batch by far. B520 is awesome.
Well done sir! 😀
BOOOOM!
Just opened my b520 same day as the c923 and b520 won
Comment of the decade
Thank you all for your interest in Heaven Hill. Please consider the information below an official statement from the company.
The laser codes on the back of Elijah Craig Barrel Proof C923 denote the date the liquid was bottled. The liquid inside each bottle is 100% the same. Elijah Craig Barrel Proof bottling can be several days, but the liquid inside is from the exact same batch. The codes on the bottles denote: A23332346 - A-Line, on the 233rd Day in 2023 (August 21st) and A22330952 - A-Line on the 223rd Day in 2023 (August 11th).
I have a bottle with the A23 code however, I have a bottle with no laser code. On the edge of the bottom glass it has a code of 723175142711. Do some bottles not have a laser code?
You know I love you guys, but you literally just proved a point and then backtracked at the end 😂
I will say there is a slight difference, but when going back, which wasn’t in the video to A22 a little bit later, it definitely did sweeten up a lot after taking a break in between blinding them. As long as we’re all friends at the end, who cares, right ha ha
@@aaronatkins5520100% it’s all about staying friends, and I’m just giving them a hard time. Others have been less than kind about this issue, and that definitely sucks
Cheers buddy! Had to give you a hard time!
That's what I'm sayin. They literally all put glass #1 first, which was the criteria that was stated would show "maybe there is something to the laser code debacle", but then said nah, there's nothing to it. 🤷♂️
@@tylermcafee9458 I will say a party that didn’t make it in there when I went back to the middle A22 sample afterwards it changed and got a lot do the sweetness I thought it was missing.
I'm just really happy I've got a C923.
Our A22 and A23 laser codes are indistinguishable blind. Doing a larger blind with multiple A22s and A23s soon live but loved seeing multiple palates do this triangle blind. Dan putting the same bottle first and last made the video. 😂
But, you thought Thirteenth Colony was all in house, why should you be trusted on this
@@Roodmfg just because someone makes an assumption doesn't mean they shouldn't be trusted on any of their thoughts. If you don't want to listen to someone fine, but why question ALL credibility from a single assumption/thought? Craziness....
@@PWNAGIZER Why do you think its not intentional that the folks who depend on POSITIVE distillery approval for content, media samples, free full bottles from distilleries and access to barrel picks (to name just a few) are not biased?
And, he is the same guy (like other channels) that when CUSTOMERS say something is wrong he will attack the customer and call them names. Belittle them with words like "tin foil hate" "oh your just a troll" 'conspiracy theory" 'your making it up' and on and on. Want to see some of his screen shots doing it?
So yeah when you demonstrate a pattern of coming down on the opposite side of the consumer......he is going to get called out for it.
@@Roodmfg Yeah I'm done putting any weight into these shills until we see some consistent honestly. But hey I guess occasionally free shit is worth their integrity.
@@SRVandDtrouble "Free" shit is always worth the integrity. Source: our entire economic model
Great work, this was a awesome video. Cheers guys🥃
Love seeing you guys shooting content in the distillery. And having guests… reminds me of old whiskey tribe videos in the best way. Cheers boys
I love this controversy, It has been so much fun to see these videos. Thanks for adding to the laser code gate. cheers
I love this expression and I do have the batch label that has been labelled as better. I have only had one. I would love to be able to compare. Terrific video! Hope the baby comes soon! Good luck if induction is happening! Best friend is an OBGYN/Maternal Fetal Medicine specialist. Lots of “first babies” arrive after induction or C-section. Best wishes for a very safe delivery!! It’s as exciting as anything gets!!
I have 2 bottles of C923 A22131814 and A22131820. So there are a lot more out there to compare before giving some kind of final thoughts on this issue. But its clear that this channel among many dont want to call out a major distillery.
Love this video!!! You guys should do it with Mich 10 A barrel against others like E or F. Just to see if the same thing happens.
I have an E batch Michters 10. Absolutely hate it. Medicinal cherry to the point of tasting like Robitussin.
Love the latest Michaels 10!
Those are single barrels so you’re more then likely to have a variance
True but I have an A barrel and an E and F. A is markedly different and tastes much older which is consistent with what is out there in the reviews.
Best. Video. Ever.
Also the best Patreon scroll video extra content ever.
Loved this format keep it up!
Great video, not surprised Vampire tried to wear Dan down on giving clues but nicely surprised at Dan not giving in...
I believe that it started with a comment on Breaking Bourbon’s review of C923
Great Video.
Everyone chose the A23 laser code but there's no difference 😂😂
No a lot had two 23 or two 22 and still didn’t pick the same one.
@stevenbell4623 literally all picked the C923 with A23 laser code then backtracked and said nah its all the same. Don't care either way but can't make a video trying to debunk this , pick the one everyone says is a little better and then say nah , they're basically the same , no issue lol.
Great job!
I’ve got a laser code 22…and I LOVE it!
Me too, it's just the thought that the A23 is even better and I don't have it lol
Well done, Dan. The restraint from giving clues. Gr8 vid . Way to get to the truth.
I have an A22 and think it’s real nice. I have not been able to get or try an A23 to compare them, but I believe there could be differences if bottling is done on different days. None the less, it’s an interesting topic. Cheers!
Nice job guys! I have an A-22 and I also have one with no code..:🤔. I wonder if the blank is an A-23? I guess I’ll see when I crack it!
@Bourbon Junkies do you guys recall the "bad bottle" phenomenon that Russell's 13 batch 1 had when it was first released? I think you where pretty meh on it but tried another sample (Dan & Julie Likes?) and you thought it was fantastic. We didnt have the deep dive forensic analyais to check laser codes back then, so who knows what the deal was. But what these situations do offer us is opening a larger discussion on vatting/batching. We're not looking to burn any distillers at the stake but this would be a great learning experience on how they best try to manage many thousands lf gallons of bourbon into a final shelf ready product.
Thanks again! Cheers.
Sniffing out the greatness of subtlety that maybe isn't so subtle. It's like water. Why did i bottle my bubbly mineral homemade water to take to work. Because my filtered work water isn't as satisfying. Reveling in the difference enhances the experience. Is it mindful tasting. Maybe wouldn't notice the difference back to back. But lined up you do.
Keep it going. You guys are still my favorite bourbon channel. Love me ralphy for scotch. Just got some Craigellachie 13. Try that. I tend to just pick what he does. I hate buyers remorse. You guys have suggested all of my bourbon buying. Cheers
Damnit i was really hoping it was going to be mixed results. I have an A22, but honestly it hits my palate just right I get a lot of chocolate covered espresso bean on it and I’m here for it! #damndrums&drams haha!! I actually like Cams content.
I've got both A22 & A23, have only opened an A22 and it's f'kn fabulous, if the A23 IS noticeably better, I can't wait to get into it.
great video
I have a ton of these bottles and most are A23. The bottles I ihave drank so far have been A22, and they were phenomenal. If A23 is somehow better then oh freakin boy.
Compare the C923 to one of the old squat bottle ECBP’s, im interested to see what yall think
Very cool!! Thank you for making the video. Could you share the whole laser codes? That way we know which day and time they were bottled. For example, if it's A22131629, then it was bottled on the 221st day of the year. By just saying A22 or A23, we don't know which day it was bottled because you left out an important digit. Thank you!!
Here's the important question for me, sorry if it was addressed and I missed it, but were both bottles opened the same/similar amount of time, and have both been drank at the same rate since open. I did this comparison, and picked A23. The only real difference for me, of note, was one was a hair more ethanol forward. But, I'd expect that, since the A23 was opened a couple months earlier, and was 1/3 full compared to the A22, which was 1/2 full and not opened as long. I think the only fair way to do this comparison, would be to find 2 unopened bottles, and compare those. IMO
I truly don't believe that enough time had passed since either bottle had been opened to make a significant difference. We're talking one week or so. Not months apart but I know what you're saying.
Normal Elijah Craig small batch has 200 barrels dumped into the mixing tank for each batch. In comparison to a similar sized distillery, Jack Daniels VIP tour states that it dumps 175 to 200 barrels a batch for Old# 7 and each barrel has roughly 240 bottles in it. (UA-cam Tonights Poison-Jack Daniels VIP Distillery Tour minutes 34:35-35:10) 200 x 240= 48,000 bottles. Elijah Craig C923 is older, so the Angel's share reduces the amount of liquid. If we guess almost half of the liquid is gone, then there are around 24,000 bottles of E.C.C923. There is no problem for Heaven Hill to mix this amount. They have the largest toured distillery in the U.S. The questions are if the tank was mixed consistently? Has filtering issues? Or, any time differences being exposed to the air for the bottling? Even if these factors are relevant to any discrepancies people are tasting, Heaven Hill will never release this information. The only true way to solve this issue would be to do repeated TRUE scientific blind taste experiments and see if the results are reproduced by other groups. Whiskeytube is entertainment. People are talking and looking at each other when doing tastings. The Whiskeytubers would have to be separated from each other with A22 and A23 new bottles opened at the same time. Then the test would have to be repeated over and over on different days with the same level in the bottles. Not very entertaining for our modern short attention spans. Plus how many people have both bottles?
And thanks for doing the blind with participants who didnt know what the test was 👍
Hilarious. Keep it up guys!
Funny, I was having a convo with a buddy a few weeks ago about how there was a consistency problem with that batch. I had tried a few and there was one that was really good, but there was like 9 separate bottles I tried and they were SUPER inconsistent.... this would make sense
I'd be very interested in knowing some of the laser codes in your comparison.
@SRVandDtrouble I'd have to do some digging as they were all from different friends. Wasn't really paying attention to laser codes, but I'm definately going to figure out who had what now. I'll get back ehen I can
This was a fun video
I just checked and I have one A22 and two A23. Time to taste test!
What were your results?
We need to know!
@@RobbbbC I can’t tell a difference.
Here I am months later still haven’t even seen one. Every batch just sat on the shelves for months could find it at any time. Now this one dropped and haven’t even seen it in stores. Heard it dropped on morning a couple cases and it was gone by the time I got there in the afternoon. At this point I just wanna see what the fuss is about but with this rate they’ll be stocking the A batch for this year
I was fortunate to get two bottles, one is the A23 laser code (open and great) and the other doesn't have a laser code on it (not opened).
I would be interested to see, if you had a hydrometer, the proofs of the A222 vs A223 to see how good their quality control is. I've seen many reviews and almost everyone says the A222 is more ethanol forward or alcohol forward. Wonder if there is also a proof difference besides flavor difference. I know the bottle says 133 proof and it has been approved by the TTB but interested in what the actual proof would be. Just curious....
It's something we could do for sure
While I really like the video concept, truth be told, a sample size of 4 is not nearly enough to produce statistically significant results.
Even if only 1/3 was the 23, it’s not significantly outside of random chance that everyone would pick that one.
Another potential confounding factor is that if there is a taste difference between the codes, the fact that only one was the 23, and two were the 22, means the 23 might have stood out whereas the other two were repetitive and so felt more boring.
Would have been better if you had two glasses of the 23 and two of the 22 so that was not a confounding factor.
Another potential factor is the time the bottles have been open for. If the 23 had more time to breathe/open up in the bottle that could explain why it tasted better in this blind.
Dan, you needed a control whiskey to start everyone off. The first whiskey of the tasting tends to hit people differently. The other tastings that follow tend to be influenced by whatever hit first. Also explains Sean's "my middle one hit differently depending on which I drank right before it"
This is why cleansing your palate between samples is pretty important as well.
Would batch size is primarily based on mixing vessel size? Assuming that HH is not dumping partial barrels, and that they are dumping full barrels in their blending vats and are well mixed, then it would be very interesting to compare the mixing vat size to the overall C923 batch size. I would guess that the mixing vat is of smaller volume than the total batch size. I am also guessing that the approx 10 days between bottlings as provided by the laser codes, it is likely a result of different barrels that are blended for each bottling release date, thus resulting in the difference between A22 and A23. With that all said, I would expect HH to have as good of quality control as any other major distillery. However, as you guys know, quality control for most distilleries isnt exactly rocket science and taste profiles will vary. Additionally, given my own experience in other industries, there are ways to feed liquids from multiple other mixing vessels simultaneously and precisely to achieve blended batches that are much larger than any given mixing vat on hand. For example, HH could fill 3 separate mixing vessels, decide the ratio of the 3, and then feed portions of each into one mixing vessel, then bottle, then repeat, resulting in a final blend much larger than the final vat with great consistency. However,
I am hesitant to believe that this type of blending would be occurring over such a long period of time at HH in this case. Any additional information or thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
This is a great comment, cause I can see how a distiller could make all bottles be the exact same blend even with having to use multiple vessels. The process you described they may consider too costly to do, but now that the cats out of the bag on their lack of quality control, maybe they’ll start doing it that way.
Gotta love the placebo effect. Personally, I found no difference in either code.
Funny thing is that's the point of the triangle. Blind is there's no placebo nobody except Dan knew what he was drinking in this video and nobody except Dan knew that two of the three glasses were the same laser code and everyone still picked the same one in different orders.
I have a C923 and haven’t opened yet…shouldn’t I need a special occasion?
0:05 - so were starting this off with a variation of 'the lick'? lmao
Cam was not the first to point out the issue... he just used it to jump off his channel.
This video like his doesn't do anything to dispell the issue.
With the reach of all the channels who have brought this up you could easily get many samples from several different serial numbers and then blind.
The real issue is "reviewers" not having the stones to call out big brands.
This exactly.
I meeeaaaannn... I guess we have to take you at your word that they taste very similar, but the way the video was edited showing people's reactions and the fact that all of the people who did it blind chose A23... seems like that's better whisky. Maybe they are pretty close, but it seems to me that those are enough different when 4/4 blind tasters prefer one over the other. Sean's result speaks to palette fatigue where too much of similar flavors tends to make the differences blend together... but he still had a strong preference for his first pour over his last regardless of which direction he tasted.
Also take into consideration everyone had two glasses that were the same and nobody figured that out while tasting lol. That being said everyone picking a23 lends to it being better. How much better? I'd say minimally.
@@BourbonJunkies - that's fair, but wouldn't what you shared above (e.g. that no one caught on to them being the same) indicate that there is a meaningful difference? Then add the fact that everyone chose A23... I can understand that one may not be lightyears better than the other, but I think those 2 data points are kind of the opposite of your conclusion.
Either way, no big deal... if they're both good enough for people to like them, it is splitting hairs... more interesting for me is that this seems to be another of a series of data points indicating that something is going on with EC's batching / bottling process.
Hi. I know very little about bourbon or cigars, but all the male members of my family enjoy sipping bourbon and smoking a good cigar. My brother is turning 65 this year and I found a Blantons straight from the barrel that didn’t make bank account scream. (Well, maybe it screamed a little.) I know y’all are very knowledgeable about pairing bourbons and cigars. What is a good cigar to pair with Blantons straight from the barrel? I found a Blantons sampler pack of cigars, but I don’t know if they are good or not. I enjoy watching your videos. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
Ill trade you an unopen c923 laser code a223 for the blantons SFTB, and any cigar will pair great with it.
I have an A22, A23, & one with no laser code. I can’t find any info on the no laser code. Anyone heard anything about no laser code bottles?
I think someone with Heaven Hill said that sometimes the bottles just get missed when going through the printing machine.
Son of a ...! I looked high and low for a c923. Finally found one, then someone gifted me one. I thought I was riding high. Then I cracked one. Haven't been super impressed like everyone else seemed to be. After seeing this video I checked the laser code on the backs of both bottles. They're different but they both start with A22. The FOMO is KILLING me!
I have 3 bottles of A221 and 2 of A222 (1 of which is open). I wonder how many different ones there are.
I have 2 of the A221 but seems that they can't even be consistent with the codes so not a stretch to imagine that there is a legit difference in the bourbon.
I don’t have a laser code. I have looked all over for this thing. Just to make sure I was looking in the right place, I watched several videos lol. 😂
We did it at our place. A22 was tasted first .. a23 was the winner
The laser code is a letter followed by three digits which indicate the day of the year. It would be very interesting to compare A222 to A229. Maybe the issue only happened in the first 2 to 4 days of bottling. Maybe the whole thing is just BS. I have only opened 1 of my 3 C923s.
There are a lot of laser codes and a lot of inconsistency with just that alone so it's not hard to see that the liquid is definitely in question too. My codes are A22131814 and A22131820. I have been through Reddit and Cams videos comments and there are some anomaly's some have no code some have a digit only code on the front starting with 17. So there is a lot to compare. The funny thing is with the pull of all these channels they could easy pull samples from dozens of people and then do a big blind and put this to rest.
@@SRVandDtrouble The whole "17" thing is bogus and people being inattentive. Each bottle actually has TWO codes on it. The "17" code is a different code that is visible on the bottom edge of the glass. You can see this on every shot that is in this video of the bottles; for example, 6:48 -- you can see the Axxx code on the back, and then if you move your eyes down towards the edge, bam: there's the "17" code everybody is talking about.
When I look at my bottle, that code is muuuuuuuuch harder to see / less visible than the primary one. In fact, when looking at it in person, it almost looks like it is INSIDE the glass. So my theory is that this "17" code is actually put there by the GLASS MANUFACTURER, and denotes something about the production of the glass bottle itself. While the "A" code is put there by Heaven Hill at the time of bottling.
So people who are saying that their bottles have a different code on it that begins with "17" either are somehow blind to the other one / are missing it, OR somehow their bottle didn't get etched with the HH bottling code on the production line, so it's missing completely.
@@SRVandDtroubleproblem with getting samples from so many different ppl, you dont know how long the bottle has been open, how much is in the bottle, if it is a neck pour, if its at the bottom of the bottle, all this can cause different flavors. The best way to tell would unfortunately be to sample many unopened bottles. I say unfortunately cause neck pours tend to not be as good as a shoulder pour, center cut, or bottom of the bottle.
@@SRVandDtroublealso, by looking at your laser codes, they were most likely in the same case
I have two bottles and one doesn’t even have a laser code on it. Maybe that is the best of the barreling dates!
The bottle I liked most was A22232346 ....I didn't like A231 ... I had it had more oak LESS cherry
I have A22232306
I just ran across A222306.. today so I'm can't wait to see if any noticeable differences
Just a suggestion. See if everyone can pick out the two bourbons that are the same out of the three. If everyone can do that there is definitely a difference. Picking a favorite is pretty subjective. FWIW
I actually think the video approved that this part wasn't possible. Neither Sean nor I even knowing that it was two bottles of whiskey could say that two were different than one
Yes picking a favorite can be subjective, but when everyone in this video picked a23 over the a22, and everyone else doing the blind is also picking a23 over a22, kinda proves not only is there a difference, but that a23 is better. Also, reviewers havin a23 saying its one of the best whiskeys of the year, and theres been ppl with a22 that say no way is it one of the best whiskey of the year, until they try a23 then say it is, again proves there is a difference.
I'm not convinced the # in the A laser code has anything to do with the bottling date. My C923 bottles have 2 laser codes. A222 and 17 23 174 and second bottle A223 and 17 23 176. My A123 batch laser code is both 17 22 314 and A354. The thing is I bought that A123 in Oregon on Jan. 2, 2023. It's unlikely that it only took 13 days to bottle, package, ship to OR (control state so has to go to the warehouse first), then distributed to the liquor store, then I bought it all during the Xmas and New Year's holidays. The 174, 176, and 314 (A123) could actually be the bottling days in the year on the other laser code starting with 17 (the next 2 numbers would be year, 23 for C923 and 22 for A123).
Mine doesn’t have a laser code…what does that mean?
A22 checking in.
have u mixed them together?
I just want to find ONE bottle of C923, laser codes be damned!
So what's interesting is, I have one A22 and one with no laser code on it at all. So who knows. I've had about 2/3 of the no laser code a 1/5 of the A22 and they are both effn fantastic. Will try blinding them at some point for shiggles.
After sampling a bottle I also purchased two. Neither have codes and lots of sediment in them. Upon tasting one of my bottles it was not like the sample I tasted., Returning to the sample bottle when the code issue was public only to learn I had purchased the lesser product.. The sample bottle was A23.
@@Roodmfg Nothing wrong with a little sediment, then you know you're getting full unfiltered flavor
@@Roodmfgwait, if your 2 bottles dont have laser codes, than how do you know its the lesser/a22? Thats just really weird that ppl are saying they have bottles with no laser codes since every bottle should have a laser code.
@@jacksmith2315 never said that. What i said is that my bottles DO NOT taste like the sample I had, not even close
@@jacksmith2315 do I have permission to use your message in a video? Not sure I like your accusation and poor detective work.
If you got ANY bottles of C923 you should be happy!
This is the first batch I was unable to score. I've scored every batch prior going back to C919, from the same store! I think CA distributors hooked up all their friends and family with C923 😂
I found three- look harder brother! 😂
@@jaimestone3835 If you're in CA I guess you were part of the "Friends and Family"....... or you paid more than the $70 msrp, which I won't do. I just paid $60 last week for Stagg 23B so ain't happening LOL
@@jaimestone3835same here, found two already and have the drop on more next week.
Or they are holding on to them until B523 sells out. I have one C923, but several chain stores said they were managing inventory.
@@jaimestone3835people buying three or more are the biggest problem why others are finding none
I have a c923 bottle with a laser code that is A2223
My bottle of C923 actually doesn't have a laser code at all but I bought from an ABC store I trust to where I wouldn't think they would have fake bottles. Do you think not having a laser code at all is a red flag?
Same here... I only see that 17 23 ..... code on the bevel, but definitely no A22 or A23 at all, and I got it from Total Wine and Costco...
You're probably just rubbed off and shipping or something
So wait…EVERYONE chose A23 completely blind. And things didn’t get “muddied until you revealed what they were tasting. To me that sound like A23 is superior to A22. Which if nothing else supports the idea of variation pretty conclusively. 😂
That said I’m sure both are fine
I think that's the bigger point is that they were close enough that if you weren't comparing them, they're both just good bottles of whiskey
@@BourbonJunkies Yes, but one is better 😂
@@johng5710exactly. They proved Cameron’s findings, just as Mash n’ Drum did. The flavor difference is not minor, but very noticeable.
A= bottling line, next 3 digits = day of year it was bottled out of 365. With your "A22" and "A23" grouping you've just divided it into an arbitrary 10 day separation. Looks like you have A223 and A233, which is bottled on August 11 and August 21 respectively. The rest of the code is the time of bottling, so I demand someone supply me with a bottle from every minute over the month long bottling period so I can finally put this to rest.
Anyone thinking about B batch I have A1183 and I think it’s great
Oh God don't even start that 🤣
Tasting is an imperfect science. The human palate is so delicate and can be influenced by so many factors. And, each palate is unique to the individual. The fact that you all picked A23 says something about the broad appeal of that code. Always fun to watch these kinds of and see the outcome and discussion!
Anyone have the c923 bottles with DIFFERENT laser codes than A22 and A23? Mine doesn't even have a letter on it...
Letters can rub off what are the first two numbers?
@@BourbonJunkiesat 6:50 of the video, my bottle only has that bottom code, the 17 23 … etc . Nothing else. Looks like others have the same thing on other communities im in
@@BourbonJunkiesHow can an engraved letter rub off? 😂
So you achknoledge the difference but you accept it for elijah.
Yet early times bib your done with though its the same but slightly different.
So from this it take the difference is significant enough to be noticable.
What I learned from this video: whiskey yum
I think this community needs to be more supportive of each other. Cameron does a video and says there is a difference, and other people do a video and say there is a difference, and then yet others staunchly, no there literally is no difference, everyone else is wrong, discussion over, as if it is the end all be all, and the other person was full of it. Can y’all just be more charitable and stop assuming the conclusion you have personally come to is the right one and that everyone else is wrong?
OK you're playing it off like there's really no difference, but I don't think it's a coincidence that everyone picked the A23 bottle as the best. I own three bottles of C923, all A22 and no A23, and I have to say that I'm kind of pissed off about this. It looks like there is something really going on here, and I got the short end of the stick.
Interesting
From tasting it up there. A23 was my favorite but after going back-and-forth A22 definitely sweetened up. There might be a slight variation, but also drinking barrel proof back to back to back I think is the biggest factor in seeing if one is better or not.
All I can say is, Interesting!
Weird video. Conclusions dont match the evidence at all. Great setup though.
I mean I get it. We all wish there was no variation through the batch and we could just firget about date codes. I want that to be true too.
But just because want it to be true doesnt mean you can ignore your own blind tasting results.
The one thing worth exploring here is whether there is any bias towards the first taste in a triangle test. But to do it properly, you'd need totally different tasters who dodnt know why they were tasting.
My opinion, I think with a high proofer like this there should more often be bias against the first sample. Usually your pallate needs a sip or 2 to taste past the higher ABV. But im willing to be wrong on that.
Point is made here that any difference was sublte, but Id say thats true when comparing most batches of ECBP. Its actually fairls consistent.
Getting the same blind result between 4 tasters is actually a very strong signal when comparing multiple batches of ECBP in my opinion.
We did a tasting like this. 3 flights of 2 across 10 people. No one knew what we were doing and we made 1 request - Pick 1. First flight both glasses were a22, second flight both glasses were a23, third flight first glass a22 second a23. Results? first flight some picked glass 1 some glass 2 and some said they were the same. Flight 2 same result. Flight 3 same result. The moral of the story? Everyone agreed the power of suggestion to pick one meant that the 2 were different. After finding out what was actually in the glasses everyone also agreed that the laser code hoop-la was total BS!!! Thee end!! I also have a bottle with no laser code but it's fantastic!!
I’m glad you all did this to put this nonsense to an end!
I think that was Dan's intention, but everyone in the video picked the A23 bottle as their favorite
@@johng5710 but a bunch of them, Dan included, said they were tasting or difference between both A23’s from the same bottle. Dan said A23 was his 1st place and also his 3rd place
@@thomasmichael6509 I thought there were two A22’s and one A23 in the blind?
@@johng5710 Everyone aside from Daniel had one A23 and two A22. They messed with Daniel and gave him one A22 and two A23. He was the only one that got that.
still has not dropped en mass in NY
Will you boys do some damn milk videos already?? My family is thirsty!
It's not clear if the A23 beat the A22 because it is marginally better or because it was first. People also tended to pick the first one they drank.
It took me way too long to realize A22 and A23 were the laser codes. I thought you drinking A batches 1 year apart sitting here thinking that of course they were gonna be different
I’m just wondering if anyone has ever bothered to test the two different batches to see if they are actually the same proof? That would at least be a scientifically objective test.
Check out comments under Breaking Bourbon's initial review of C923 (before it was titled their Whiskey of '23) I was beating the Drum (pun intended) back then in early November.
Should have tossed in a C922 as the 3rd bottle. Oddly enough my c922 has an A23 lazer code. Pew Pew
That's not odd...that's to be expected that last years September release would have been bottled on the same bottling line (A) and about the same day of the year last year (day two hundred thirty something, i.e. in August)
I have a Chinese knock off, damn laser code on the back is missing, but I have the front laser code😎🥃
Definitely not an accident everyone liked the A23 better. A22 is probably fine, just as any other batch of ECBP is fine.
Both of my bottles have…
No laser codes. Am I upset? No. Is this an interesting POV? Absolutely. Intentional conspiracy? Couldn’t care less. My open one is delicious beyond compare. Win for me!
Are you positive you looked in the right place? Far bottom right on the back of the bottle
Yes. Looked at both my C922 and C919 barrel proof batches and they both had laser codes. My C923 just doesn’t have one. Probably just got turned the wrong way during assembly line or something. Regardless, it’s a stellar pour, I’m not complaining, and just glad to have some.
It’s pretty clear these are different batches. Otherwise Heaven Hill would’ve come out with a statement already.
Put me in coach
Wait until A124 A22 vs A23 comes out 😂🤦🏼♂️
now, do an analysis of the laser code on the very bottom edge
😂🤣
I agree! I think that is the correct laser code to be analyzing.
The Junkies have spoken discussion over
They dont want to get black balled from Heaven Hill
I have a bottle of C923 with NO laser code.
me too!
Good job…….Junkies and Drums-n-Drams
F u n
Woo hoo