The Expanse S2E11 'Here There Be Dragons' - FIRST TIME WATCHING - REACTION
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In this video, we're watching The Expanse - HERE THERE BE DRAGONS (S2xE11) for the first time. As a first-time viewer, what did you think? Did you think it was a banger too? Let us know in the comments!
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On endings ‘Oh you poor summer child.’ You’ll need oxygen and a defibrillator for season 3 . . .
Crash cart standing by for S5.
Lol, my God right!?
@@Justanotherconsumer I viewed the replies on this comment for that exact point
Bobbie requesting asylum gives me f'in CHILLS. EVERY time.
Fantastic scene!
As always, my friend, thank you for watching!
something about the lines coming in view in the overhead shot starts to make me emotional
Easily one of the bravest things anyone does in the entire series
Fun fact, when Frankie was filming that scene and threw Martens against the TV, that specific move wasn't scripted, and she really did throw him against it hard enough to shatter the thing!
To be fair, it doesn't actually take _that_ much of a jolt to shatter a screen. I'm sure it hurt a bit, but hitting your head on an open cabinet door would hurt quite a bit more.
Judging from Bobbie's facial expressions as she heard about Avasarala preventing the return shuttle, that was the moment she decided Avasarla was serious. At that point, she only needed verification.
Martins' hand terminal showed that the MCRN Karakum was going to Ganymede to pick up Caliban. That was an important sequence...got to read the screens in this show.
Roci doesn't speak, but she beeps in response to Alex. Notice how the moment Roci picked up the Martian vessel, she turned the lighting to the blue battle mode. Roci has determined that Martian vessels are a threat to her crew.
If you were watching closely, you could see the moment Amos' shoulder was hit.
I think Martins and the Martian cabal running the Caliban project had lost control when Bobbie was rescued on Ganymede. They certainly wouldn't have wanted any of Bobbie's team to have survived. Caliban is undoubtedly a very closely held, highly classified project that the Martian rescue team wouldn't have known about. They were just doing their job rescuing a fellow Marine...but once she'd been rescued, it became difficult for Martins to just make Bobbie disappear. But going by how they were willing to put the blame on Travis, they'd certainly blame everything...the loss of the team, even the start of the battle over Ganymde...on Bobbie and drown out any protestations she might make.
Good discussion about hybrids and the possible difference between what the Protomolecule would have created compared to what Mao's science goons concocted. Yes, as we discovered thought the scientist Cortazar, the Protomolecule has its own thing to do. We heard Julie say, "You can't stop the Work!"
Naomi being a mother also makes her quite dangerous. Yes, we can understand more of those motivations who has a lot more invested in the health and surviving of Belters that even merely being one of them.
Just a minor tidbit. They were never intending to rescue Bobby as they triggered the Hybrid's implant/detonator to ensure that everyone was wiped. Then a Martian squad found her in a rescue SOP and Martens and the Cabal had to improvise the rest of the way.
16:30 The show very rarely breaks its hard-science foundation. The protomolecule is basically magic, but apart from that, physics rules. This is one of those very few instances. There was the wrench suddenly flying out of Holden's hand in S1E2, but that was just an effects mistake, and the show kept apologizing for that later (keep an eye out whenever a wrench or other tool is on camera in zero g). But Alex's slingshot is impossible as it is shown. The Jovian system is way bigger and way less dense than it appears here. This maneuver would have taken months to complete in reality. It was a conscious decision by the showrunners to add some visual spice.
And I don't mind at all. And I'm saying that as someone who writes orbital mechanics simulations for a living.
Edit: I forgot, there is one other thing the show does get wrong about slingshotting. Like here, it shows Alex reacting to the acceleration as she Roci keeps winding on its course, but in reality, he would be in free fall the entire time and not feel any acceleration whatsoever. This will come up once more in the future. And again, I don't really care that the show does this. I'm saying this so I can put the time watching this on my time sheet as "public outreach effort." :D
As much as martens flipped quickly... they were still punches from draper and she outwrestled a powersuits servo mechanics.
Plus, he told you who he was in his earlier soliloquy: he's ruled by fear. He thought he was bragging about his toughness, but he was really sharing the story of how he lost his nerve.
NEVER SPLIT THE PARTY!
Forgot this was the first episode that mentions Clarissa
That JPM had sons and another daughter was mentioned before when Avasarala gave her pointed rant at Errinwright.
@@MattNolanCustom But not by name
@@stevemartegani right. But you didn't say "this was the first episode that mentions Clarissa by name"
Great hypotheses! You're going to love where this all goes. I'm not sure there was any indication that the Karakoum came from Venus. That would certainly takes weeks to Ganymede. Naomi S1E4 - "I didn't even get to say goodbye", Amos - "To who?", Naomi - "It doesn't matter".
Frankie Adams is a New Zealand-Samoan actress who stands at 5'11". Most recently staring in an Australian outback show called "The Lost Flowers of Alice Hart" with Sigourney Weaver on Prime. So if you need another Frankie fix.
Slingshot club!!!!
Call back to a fun little scifi mention from season 1.
So when Amos tossed the grende back and shit hit the fan, you could hear the aftermath... You could hear secondary chaos that WAS NOT mere explosions.
I didnt know what was up (back then) but I knew "Residen Evil" type shit was going down. I rewound and replayed instantly with wide eyes and held breath... then laughed in delight. It was a perfect scene (amung a chain of perfect scenes)
The show is top tier
It’s at around this point in the show when you begin to realize it’s really just a canvass to tell stories about badass women
I've listened to the book series at least a dozen times, and all my favorite characters are women, and it's not even close. Naomi, Dr. Elvi, Ana, Chrisjen, Bobbie, Drummer. All those women are absolutely amazing characters
I do have to put Amos in my top 5.... but yep, the rest of them are women.
Man…I love Bobby so much.😂 I love this episode. Watching Holden slip from the core of who he is on this quest to destroy the Protomolecule is kind of heart breaking and I can understand Naomi not wanting to watch it as he goes Full Captain Ahab.
From here to the end of season 3 is maybe the best TV ever made. It's still great beyond season 3, but this current arc is my personal favorite.
and from here you can only buckle up because it's not letting up until then!
Naomi's baby boy, one of many many examples of GREAT writing in this show. This stuff is seeded from early on.
very much helps having an extensive series of books to work from. easier to hint at a future already written.
with that said, I agree with you. lesser writers would have ignored this kind of thing.
Love the "Blue Alert" on the Roci, being a Martian ship and all. Nice little detail.
I have been waiting for you see this so much =)... Bobby Draper is the best thing ever and now you know it.
Nah, Amos is that guy.
@@3Kings_Industries yeah, but just wait until Camina Drummer does...
@@MattNolanCustom that is your Sharpness !!! BELTALOADA!!!
this episode gives us prime examples of how both Bobbie and Amos are literal beasts!
And the work continues on Venus...
Little detail that's hard to miss and easily spottable in this episode: when Alex is doing his slingshot run and encounter the martian ship, you can see the Roci alarm blaring. If you notice, the alarm color is flashing blue, contrary to most alarms we are used to where the standard "warning" color is usually red. You go to RED ALERT after all ;).
This is actually much better explained in the books, but on Mars, since Mars most common color is red compared to Earth's blue, the color coding is inverted, red is seen as the friendly it's all right color where blue is the "warning" color.
There's a few other instances in the show where you can see Martians identify friends or ok stuff in red and enemies or not ok stuff in blue. That's also the reason why the Roci battle lights are blue.
Shit like this is why i love this series :D
The books even go more in depth about how the Belters don't really develop a sense of "up and down" like Earthers and Martians. When more than one inner enter the same room in zero-g they immediately and silently convene on a "up" and a "down" and they float and operate relatively to that agreed upon standard everybody oriented in the same direction. When more than one Belter enter the same room in zero-g everyone is standing at different angles not caring about up or down. During the series, that makes more than one inner dizzy when they happen to enter a room full of Belters where everyone is floating in whatever direction because the inners brain is used to recognize an "up" and a "down" the whole time. We NEED an up and a down to function, Belters don't lol.
The thing you called a track pad is actually a really neat device. It’s a 3D mouse made by 3DConnexion. It’s like a fancy joy stick. You can tilt it front or back and left and right like most joysticks, but also twist is like fancier joysticks. This covers pitch, roll, and yaw. Not only that, but you push or pull front or back, left or right, or up or down, to get all the translational movements. It’s great for 3D modeling, where you can either move an object around, or you move around and environment. A pretty fitting device to control a ship actually.
I effin love this show! it's crazy how it gets better and better;)
Could not agree more!
Thank you for watching, my friend!
14:52 remember though she beat her power armor arm wrestling. Pretty powerful strikes.
Whether it’s a longer or shorter separation between our main party, it’s clear that it felt significant at least, like it could be a parting of paths between Naomi and Holden. You’ll have to wait and see if it lasts longer…
Alex’s plotting of the slingshotting is one of the looser scientific elements of the show, as it would’ve taken much longer to plan something like that out, but it makes for a cool visual too so it works :p
Speaking of Naomi, we remember what she said in the fourth episode of the series, and have a hint as to who she meant when she said, “I never got to say goodbye…”
14:30 To be fair, there was no reason not to give up the info in that moment. He's in the martian embassy, surrounded by guards. He would rightfully assume that Bobbie would be apprehended immediately and then be taken out behind the chemical shed and shot without much fanfare.
Turns out Bobbie is a bit more resourceful, and a lot better connected to the powers-that-be on Earth, than the typical jarhead.
There's almost too much amazing shit in this episode. Bobby kicking the living shit out of Martens, her asking Earth for asylum, Alex's crazy plan to get down to Ganymede's surface without drawing attention, Amos tossing a grenade back at the people who threw it LIKE A FUCKING BOSS!!! 🤣
This show is so fucking good.
Caught up, subbed up. Thanks Warp Reactor~
Thank YOU, my friend!
Glad that you're here!
Buckle up, buttercup!
Season 3 soon let's goooooooooooooooooooooo
1:30 ... and once it's over, you can always watch other people react to it. It's a substitute.
Draper is a true strong female character without any BS about it. Amos is always getting shot helping someone else.
do me a favor watch an interview with wes chatham (amos) he is the sweetest guy alive i dont fool you its so strange when you know him only as amos ^^ its wonderful how great of an actor he is. i promise you you will not regret it
Similar to Cara Gee (Drummer), she's very bubbly and cheerful in interviews. It's amazing how she can play Drummer so well you can FEEL her will, and her temper!
3:00 This is such an incredibly important line - Holden is an Oathbreaker Paladin at this point. He has lost his path. Will he find his way back to his path? Or will he choose a different path altogether?
3:40 Naomi opening up about her past? We are really stepping into unexplored Waters with this episode. "Here there be Dragons"
10:30 This is one of the moments where the show (and the books too iirc) takes a few creative liberties from things like physics and stuff, as this trajectory would have taken Alex months to complete, not hours to days.
13:08 What's that text on the Handterminal... ?
I love the scene with Bobbie fleeing the Embassy, with the Red and Blue Line. She literally crossed a Red Line with this...
24:56 I guess the Grenade also helped.
Can't wait but will wait to watch this tonight after work! Great journey so far Cap.
LoL, back in episode 1, who would have pinned Some Resident Evil s#!+ on their Bingo card?
Great reaction!
Nice analysis as well! Looking forward to the next one! It's a special one!
Amos and Alex are older than their patents Naomi and Holden.
If you think you hate the endings in season 2... Season 3 is far worse lol.
Interesting thought about the protomolecule would make others on Eros like Julie. I think it would not. Its original mission was to go to Earth, and it would have crashed into Earth soon enough.
When you finish, check out the books. The audiobooks are exceptional, if you'd prefer to experience them that way. I don't want to downplay this series because they nailed nearly everything they could in this adaptation, but some things couldn't be done do to physiological limitations of every actor growing up in gravity.
Then, I suggest you look into the thematic & mythological background of the names and titles. Miller's story draws amazing parallels to the roles Eros, Psyche, & Venus played in that Greek myth. Every name has a purpose.
Hmm. No mention of Psyche in The Expanse, and I don't see many parallels with the Eros & Psyche myth. Maybe you're connecting the dots differently.
@@MattNolanCustom Psyche was a mortal whom Eros, better known as Cupid, loved. They had a secret marriage, even though they were from different worlds. When Aphrodite, whom the Romans called Venus, found out, she punished Psyche severely. After mamy trials to prove herself, Payche proved herself to Venus & was ascended to be the goddess of soul so her marriage to Eros could stand.
Julie & Miller are not direct stand-ins for Psyche & Eros, but it is fitting that they do come from different worlds, having been drawn together by love, yet they can only be together with the 'permission' of Venus.
It's not an earth-shattering though (ha!), but it does add a bit of background color to the series, much like the meaming behind various ship names. _Rocinante_ is a very well-known example, but so is the _Canterbury._ Named after the "Canterbury Tales," it's about a bunch od pilgrims each on their way to Canteebury for different reasons, much like this crew of ice haulers.
@@IamMeHere2See there is a lot more about the myth that doesn't fit Miller and Julie than does. I think the Eros and Venus symbolism is much more broad brush. I'd say there's more Dulcinea / Don Quixote symbolism in the Julie and Miller story than there is Psyche and Eros, though most people pin the Don Quixote stuff solely on Holden.
@@MattNolanCustom I can certainly see that. Holden does seem to be a fan of the old knight's tale.
But this is what I mean. There's depth to many of the naming conventions that lends itself to fun discussions!
@@IamMeHere2See agreed! The writers know their literature and their history
Tenye wa chesh gut, Holden. Tenye wa chesh gut.
As always a good reaction. From one who is at the end of the show but still hopes it will be taken up again by someone, for me its the best show ive ever watched.
Nice speculation on the proto molecule. Christian has hubris. Nobody in this show is perfect, except Amos, obviously.
I binge watched Breaking Bad over a period of less than a week. I enjoyed the show very much but I felt as though I didint get the same experience as those who had to watch it over a period of several years.
I came away feeling as though a lot of the scenes lacked the emotional weight they would have had, if I'd had to wait to see them.
I began watching The Expanse when it was in it's final two seasons so I took my time in catching up and watched it slower than I had Breaking Bad and caught up with it just as the final season began and I enjoyed the show much more than Breaking Bad.
3:32 - And here´s the why for my comment on your S2E8 reaction: "Naomi related: you´ve watched/heard it but your "paranoia" didn´t kick in. :) Since you´re some episodes ahead, you might know what i´m refering to." - 19:57 on your S2E8 reaction.
Strickland reminds me of Josef Mengel - the infamous Nazi doctor (the "Angel of Death") who would give candy to children while driving them to the labs to perform hideous experiments on them. in my book, Strickland was the worse villain of the entire series.
Team ABC is a go. Let the quipping begin.
29:13 You'll hate the endings even more. You ain't seen nothing yet 😁
"Your whole generation's forgotten what it means to sacrifuce for the dream of Mars"
"OK boomer"
But seriously, Martens and his superiors are happy to scrifice the lives and reputations of Bobbie's generation, and not for the 'dream of Mars' they grew up with; they're prepared to do it for a version of the dream they bought from Jules Pierre Mao.
Loved "the Expanse". It is probably one of the best TV series in recent years. That being said, in this scenario Bobby is wrong and she absolutely behaves like a baby and betrays Mars. Both she and her team is/where martian marines and therefore they have sworn an oath to defend Mars even at the cost of their lives. She is acting on emotions while her superiors are trying to preserve the peace. Her actions could very well start a war that would take many more lives. But of course the series evolves in a way that depicts her as a hero.
I think this was a missed opportunity by the producers to present an aspect of sacrificing for your country that is absent from most movies.
@@pintiliecatalin Bollocks. The factions within both the UN and Martian governments are acting illegally, and unless the MCR requires the members of it's armed forces to swear oaths that you wouldn't find in any civilised nation, following illegal orders - such as involving yourselves in the cover-up of weapons tests that resulted in the deaths of 3,000 people and the loss of billions of MCR$ of equipment - is not something she is bound to do.
Martens. Had. It. Coming.
@pintiliecatalin No.
Governments and militaries exist to serve their people, and as such, it is *never* okay to needlessly sacrifice people in the name of meeting policy goals.
It was no more ethically acceptable to let a bioweapon slaughter the marines than it was okay to expose U.S. soldiers to radiation and fallout in the nuclear weapons tests of the 1950s and '60s. That's the real-world parallel, here.
Moreover, the primary theme of this *entire show* is that those able to transcend their own prejudices and preconceptions are the best possible people -- the true heroes in *any* society.
Had Bobbie *not* rebelled, she'd have remained just another cog in a war-machine that would inevitably grind human beings into meat for the protomolecule.
Bobbie chose to be *a fine human being* rather than an obedient soldier.
@@thomashiggins9320 You are making your judgement from a position where you actually know how the story unfolded. Bobby did not. She had no clue what was happening. She was willing to sacrifice countless other lives for the honor of few.
Spoiler!! Do not read below!!!
And this is sort of the exact same issue Ashford has when he kills a few crewmen and threatens to kill everyone that entered the ring in order to prevent what he sees as an existential threat to humanity. That is the rational and safe bet. He is the actual hero. There is absolutely no reason to believe anything coming from Holden and a few of his "crazy friends". He is the one acting on the information available and rational thought. Naomi, Carmina... act on emotion and trust in one person.
Sure that is part of what make The Expanse a good show. But this is still a story. In real life one does not meet such a series of "fortunate events". Your best bet is to go by information and experience.
@@pintiliecatalin Spoiler discussion:
Drummer even acknowleges ashford was right in season 4- "My friend's boyfriend's imaginary friend..."
It's kind of a shame that they had to compress time so much in the adaptation to screen. Alex's journey from where he was hiding down to Ganymede using nothing but thrusters and gravity assists would have taken weeks.
I was gonna ask whether you were standing for your reactions or not.