Cycle of Losing: The Failed Rebuild of the New York Giants…
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- 2023 has been a rough year for the New York Giants and their fans. In this video, I give my analysis on what went wrong with this franchise since their 2016 playoff appearance and what they should’ve done differently…
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Where did the Giants go wrong?
Not waiting on Justin Herbert's draft to draft a QB and signing Galloday. Honestly I Preferred shurmer over that bum Judge. You also can't have a bad offensive line for 10 out of the last 12 years. Trading odell leaving a Duke QB and an older Golden Tate to throw to.
@@MoreNYGPleaseGiants absolutely won the Odell trade easily. It was the right move. Plus he was a headcase/diva, you don't want that for your rookie QB.
@@MoreNYGPleaseHerbert going back hurt.
Offensive line coach
@peteg2715 yall still stuck on that.
How was that Kenny Goliday signing not mentioned in this video? That alone should have been reason #7.
The Kenny Goliday signing needs its own video, haha.
Or Nate Solder?
He's but one of many horrible contracts. Jones, Golladay, Solder, Campbell, etc etc. They're all doo doo.
That's not the reason why. Good teams bounce back from bad signings. The Giants never had a bounce to begin with.
OBJ resign/extenison and then traded didnt make sense.
Saquon is showing his true colors Eagles can have him,i like Devin Singletary he is a true warrior. thanks Devin👍👍👍
It's what I have been😮 saying about Daniel Jones when the giants drafted him HE STINKS AT QUARTERBACK he is nothing but a turnover machine
The giants overachieved in 2022 big time the front office probably wanted a long term rebuild but ownership was sick of losing so instead of seeing that the team overachieved and couldn’t duplicate that success ownership was stubborn and forced the team to bring back saquon and pay Daniel jones ownership basically forced the team to try and duplicate that success but in reality the giants were just never a good roster
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Every year since 2011, when someone asks me, “how do you think the Giants will do this year,” I give them the same answer. “If the line can block, we have a chance. I don’t know if it’s a complete inability to draft OL talent, an inability to coach the talent, or a combination of the two but that unit has consistently stunk for THIRTEEN YEARS!!!
If you can’t block, you can’t win.
This!!!!
It's seems like you can draft a great player and once he puts on a Giants uniform, he really sucks. Maybe it's a curse? Maybe Jimmy Hoffa really IS buried under the stadium?
U said it brother ❤
People say they held on to Eli too long, but I say they ruined the last few years of Eli’s career and possibly shortened it because of crap o-lines. And hasn’t gotten better since. Best teams of the past 10 or even 20 years across the league all had stellar offensive lines - SB Giants, 90s Cowboys, Brady’s Patriots, Favre and Rodgers Packers, even past couple of years of Eagles. All nothing special without those lines. Especially important as the league moves to favor the passing game. No blocking=no passing game
@@billleeee I was going to say, when those teams with Eli had a chance people focused on the defense specifically the nascar package with that front 4. But people I think never gave that offensive line the credit it deserved. Not only did they give a young, learning QB a chance to win games but they often blasted holes with a physical run game. Their inability to reload either via FA trades or the draft on the line has set that team up for yearly failure. And they aren't talented enough on the coaching staff to circumvent that like a New England situation during a significant chapter of the Brady era.
Arguably the greatest coaching job by their rival, Joe Gibbs with Redskins, circumvented the importance of the QB position due to the dominance of their line. Their other rival, Dallas like you said, 90's featured the Great Wall of Dallas. The Eagles line of recent years. All 4 teams in the NFC East owe a tremendous amount to the hog mollies up front for their franchises best and most storied years. To see New York struggle to put together competent pass/run block units on a year to year basis is frustrating as a NFL fan who saw what they could be at their best.
Is simple the offensive line is a nightmare need to address this issue. The giants have been rebuilding the offensive line for 10 years
No. It’s definitely not that simple.
It just seems like the line ie aweful from the sceme we play. Refuse to pass the ball deep. And hold the ball to long. When ppl leave they are great. Also Taylor provee this theory.
Yeah it's been the biggest problem for the last ten years.
Where the Giants went wrong is with a position that can't get fired and almost always escapes accountability- with the owner John Mara. Mara, I believe, held onto Eli 2 years too long probably in to get that consecutive steak record and perhaps hoping for a little magic left in the tank for one more run. Then he hires Gettlemen who didn't have a great reputation as a GM. He then okayed the Jones pick probably because he looked and acted like Eli. Mara is too old-fashioned and conservative while the rest of the league has evolved. Like, can you imagine Caleb Williams playing QB for the Giants?
I will go further and say Mara IS the reason DJ was drafted by the Giants and he is a reason he was resigned
Thank you that is so TRUE and these TV sport guy always go around that issue.
Drafted yes, resigned, probably not. The alternatives were zilch - and the deal was clearly designed to escape after year two. That doesn't sound like a contract an overreaching owner would have wanted.@@dannyduds1058
You can also thank that punk for taunting flags
Who are you referring to?@@phillysoldier
I actually really like the giants HC and GM. I truly believe they will be okay over the next 5 years.
Your name aside, setbacks happens and no one thought they would even be at .500 to begin with.
That said, what they need to do is to find a new QB or the attempted rebuild will truly be a failure. Plus the o-line still needs work as well.
your name makes this comment funny
@@iamhungey12345 last year was an outlier and their biggest mistake was drinking that kool aid a little too much. This video is ridiculous going back that far. The rebuild began last year and Schoen/Daboll need 4-5 years to see if it’s actually going to work. As long as they don’t Gettleman this thing they should be allowed to see it through.
@@StuckinNOVA Exactly, people seem to forget that Parcell era didn't start off smoothly either and needed more than a year to truly get going.
@@StuckinNOVAbro where have you been when DJ was drafted?
I wouldn't say Robinson or Hyatt can be termed disappointments yet. Neither were first rounders, Robinson tore his ACL after showing promise and has looked decent considering who is throwing to him this season, and Hyatt has adapted to the nfl about as well and fans could have hoped. Obviously Hyatt still needs to develop to become more well rounded but to say he is a disappointment is unserious
yeah those 2 arent even close to be called bad picks, and slayton was a great pick with his consistent production.
Just a terrible nonsense video. This guy just talks to talk and uses a ton of conjecture.
Those two players have been some of the few bright spots on this team. Not their fault that we don’t have a good QB or OL
@@giantsfan714yeah he lost all credibility with this video saying that and that we have “zero young talent” on the roster for fans to be excited for lmfao
Wan'Dale Robinson can be found across the league - he's not at all 'special.' Jalin Hyatt on the other hand could be but we don't know yet.@@Dreaaddy
This started before Eli, they literally wasted his years away till he got too old to keep putting his body on the line and putting the team in his back. They neglected the O line for years knowing they had a pocket qB that was getting old
Paying Danny crimes and not getting a line and a real QB is where the giants went wrong
You forgot to include Drafting Daniel Crimes
Gotta be stupid asl
@@dannyduds1058Any potential he has is kinda zapped at this point
@@Kap_NYC potential? He was a projected backup... Exactly what he is
@@dannyduds1058 Daniel Jones hate account is crazy ngl
Forgot I even commented on this video.
I believe they forgot about Kenny Goliday
The moment that Eli Manning was benched, in favor of Geno Smith, by Ben McAdoo, we knew that the Giants franchise was screwed. And that was years ago.
People will say drafting a rb 2nd overall was huge mistake.. my argument to that is Saquon is that dude, his rookie year he showed he was worth the hype. Saquon had his best running and catching year as a rookie with Eli 1300 rushing and 730 catching.. I have no doubt had he gotten better qb play after his rookie year he would had McCaffrey numbers. Which leads to where it really went wrong...Since the 2019 nfl draft, when they drafted Daniel mothereffin Jones... He was always a backup at best. He always stank, even in college.
No qb can play behind the worst OL in football….for years!!
The problem is RBs just aren't that valuable anymore. As great as Barkley may be, they could have gotten similar production taking a RB in the 2nd or even 3rd round that year. That draft was stacked with RBs. That being said, had the Giants decided to draft a QB that year, there's a 50-50 chance they would have drafted a bust anyway. Mayfield was off the board, leaving the Giants with 4 options at QB: Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, and Lamar Jackson, although taking Lamar at #2 overall would have been considered quite a reach at that time. The other 3 were considered better prospects, so they really had only a 33% chance of selecting a QB who actually pans out.
@@billm7035 excuses excuses Eli won the SB in 2011 with worst ranked Oline.. look at rookie cj Stroud his Oline is bad
Saquon got Eli to n the back end of Eli’s career which was mediocre. Then he got to play behind (inconsistent)Danny crimes lol.
Even if you have your best QB, you can’t win games if you don’t have an O-line
It's ironic regarding WR's...
The Giants beat the Vikings in the playoffs last season,
The Vikings responded by taking Jordan Addison literally one spot before the Giants could get him.
The Giants _desperately_ need an Addison in their WR room, and yet they were left with nothing.
When we get a rookie QB you’re gonna see how much of our WR core’s failure this year was QB play
Very true. I heard that Scheon did have Addison as his fav WR on his board.
Pretty annoying that the Vikes drafted JJ and JA in the last few yrs while we haven’t had a true #1 since OBJ
Interesting video. You bring up a few good key points about the Giants, but I feel you may have miss some of the reasons why the Giants haven't been successful.
1. You mentioned the turnaround with the coaching staff/front office. On this You are correct, but where at the end of the video you already declared the rebuild was yet another failed one, I argue that this current rebuild was never finished yet. A true rebuild has a new GM, HC and a new quarterback and whole new roster. This is Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll second year here and they are still dealing with clearing out players they want to keep and those that don't fit what they are don't. Last year some are calling a fluke, but I would say it was more of the potential of the success due to good coaching and healthy players being consistent with their play that leas to a good season. That team showed that they can compete with the average teams, beat the really bad one, but the top teams they were still not talented enough to deal with. Going back to my rebuild point if we are being honest, the actual rebuild started back in 2018. The problem was that Dave Gentlemen wanted to both rebuild and compete at the same time, this resulted in overspending on subpar free agents and not focusing on protecting the most valuable asset for any any team, the quarterback.
2. You mentioned that one of the team reasons for losing was the lack of drafting receivers or top receivers. Drafting receivers is important, but again, that is not the main reason. Going all the way back to 2008, Kevin Gilbride the Giants offensive coordinator at the time, warned the front office that the offensive line was get old and injured. Instead of heeding to his warning, they drafted skilled players during the 2009 and beyond years Instead of trying to rebuild the offensive line. Now they did get a few quality players for the line (Justin Pugh, William Beatty) but during Jerry Reese time, he unfortunately didn't do enough to get a solid offensive line for Eli Manning, resulting in his skills deteriorating. Gettlemen repeated the same mistakes his predsuccsor did in both the draft and free agency spending.
3. During the 2016 to 2021, both general managers overspend on free agency, handcuffing the team, preventing them from getting quality free agents and forcing them to let go of good players who could have continued to contribute to the team. One example was a player the Giants got during the infamous Odell Beckham trade, a offensive guard from the Browns who was at the time he was with the Giants, one of their best. But because of salary cap, he was let go to free agency.
4. As I mentioned earlier, drafting was poor during both the Reese and Gettleman years. Most of the roster were made up of players that would either be on a practice squad or not even in football. Gentleman in particular overreacted on a lot of his draft picks. For every Dexter Lawrence, there was a Kadiruos Toney taken. And when he drafted Daniel Jones, he should have seen that the 2019 draft had inferior quarterback talent.
Now I will say there is hope for this team as they right now have a few good pieces here. On defense, there's the tackle Lawrence, Kayvon Thibodeaux, a pass rushers capable of breaking games, something they did not have since letting Jason Pirere Paul go, Michael McFadden a linebacker they got in the later rounds of the draft and their rookie cornerback Banks. They have two cornerstone piece on the offensive line, LT Andrew Thomas and John Michael Smith. They have a speedy rookie receiver in Jalin Hyatt and they still have Saquon Barkley. I honestly believe they do have the right GM/head coach duo that can right the ship, if given time. Joe Schoen has already fixed their salary cap and Brian Daboll can still coach good enough to help the team. With having a high draft pick, the biggest thing that is needed going forward is patience to allow this current regime to finish the rebuild so the Giants can be a successful team and not a one hit wonder. Let's see where they are at the end of the 2024 which will give them three full years to get a nfl quality roster of players to compete.
Bro with all due respect who tf is gonna read all this
@@Athleteforeverr apparently 12 people must have...
@elbori1360 Not to mention how there are those who thinks Kayvon is a bust.
The New York Giants offensive line has ranked at the bottom of the league every year, for a long time now. It's the reason Eli suddenly looked older, the reason Daniel Jones never got going, and the reason they lost a lot of close games. Even with one of the top receivers in Odell, or one of the top RBs in Saquon, our offense is completely dysfunctional. Injuries (everyone), bad drafting (Flowers etc), bad contracts (Nate Solder etc). Even now it's currently fighting for dead last in the league.
It's never been adequately addressed. Andrew Thomas is the lone bright spot and a critical piece, but injured often. The rookie center looks promising but he was also already out for injury so TBD. Evan Neil... we'll see. We need a core of offensive lineman to gel, and some depth for inevitable injuries beyond Justin Pugh from the couch (who I do love, but isn't the long term answer).
The reason Daniel jones looks bad, is because he is bad.
@@Esciiii10You're the same giants fan who thought Phil Simms and Eli Manning were bad.
@@Dash277 you comparing Daniel jones to Phil Simms and Eli really says it all about you lmao
@@Esciiii10 I'm saying you're part of the mouth breathers that hate every QB. Eli got crap after winning 2 SBs. lmao rotflmao lol bahaha tee hee.
@@Dash277 I didn’t hate Eli. I can actually tell that Eli is good and Daniel is trash. And it’s not because of his o-line and recievers. It’s because HE is horrible.
It has also been a consistent inability of the team to draft, sign, or develop an even marginally competent offensive line. Bad line play has been our Achilles heel for years. It's also bad drafting but not just that, it has been bad drafting in the first round. Flowers, apple, engram, toney, Jones etc.
Can’t rlly be too mad at Engram as he’s been one of the better TEs in the league. They just could never use him right, and didn’t have a TE that could block
The Oline is the main issue
The revisionist history of Evan Engram always makes me laugh. They lined him up in the backfield, as a tight end, in the slot and outside - he dropped too many damn passes. He wasn't tasked with blocking, he was a route running TE and he routinely came up small in big moments.@@kghostthegreat
People say Apple was a bad pick but he’s still in the league playing at a pretty high level lol 😂
@@dgore411
Lol ok…..high level
Failure to put together and maintain a decent O-line is probably the biggest failure on offense. Also, I believe it destroyed the development of Daniel Jones. Going forward, replacing him and assembling the O-line are crucial to the team's rebuild.
Those who fail to acknowledge this never liked Daniel Jones in the first place. I watch an awful lot of Eagles, 49ers games - those two QBs would be exceptionally average if they were taking snaps for the Giants.
@@Chalk89I’m not a Giants fan but I always liked Jones. I never understood how he could crucified week after week behind a horrendous offensive line.
It is odd. The problems existed before Daniel yet the fans are pretending things were peachy before his arrival. Facts are, ownership and those involved in personnel failed miserably. It's not something you can just undo in a year or two. It's going to take three to five years to correct the ship.@@Kap_NYC
Yep. I firmly believed DJ was able to be a good-to-very-good QB with the proper supporting cast and the team failed him year after year, and now he's shell-shocked a la David Carr, so we'll never see his ceiling.
In my opinion, what went wrong was the development of Daniel Jones. Yes, A LOT of other factors play into this, but his stunted growth as an NFL QB is on John Mara and his impatience.
They should've kept Pat Shurmur and Mike Shula for the 2020 season, as Jones was their QB. By firing them and hiring Joe Judge and Jason Garrett, we will never know what Jones could've actually become. Think about it, Jones' simple TD/INT numbers are 24/12 in 2019, 11/10 in 2020, 10/7 in 2021, 15/5 in 2022, and 2/6 in 2023. No one knew how to coach Daniel Jones like Pat Shurmur.
Also, if Shurmur was the coach in 2020, and it all went downhill, they could've made a clean sweep by firing the ENTIRE staff, including Dave Gettleman. This would've initiated a full rebuild in 2021 that would've most likely included moving on from Jones.
John Mara's impatience of winning, not rebuilding, screwed the rebuild from the start. Plain and simple. Now he needs to sit on his hands and keep his mouth shut with this regime.
But again, that's just my thoughts and opinion.
That's what I always said, Pat Shurmur was a very good offensive coordinator and knew how to work with young QBs, Daniel Jones was playing very good his 1st year and would of been a top tier QB if Pat would of been kept for an offensive coordinator
Never fixing the O-Line. That’s where every rebuild should start.
Since 2012 the giants have drafted 1 OLINEMEN who got a second contract in that span only Thomas great player Pugh zeitler and richburg were above average the team has had no foundation to go along with no dynamic wrs and been the most injured team in football Thomas hurting his hammy on the first drive sent the season to the toilet
What went wrong?
Resigning daniel jones
we were done before that.
Drafting Daniel Jones is when it went wrong.guy was always a bum
If you're white you have a chance with the yankees and giants 💯
Tf race gotta do with this 😂
@@lildripnation3462 Mostly peaceful race baiting.
Here’s my 2 cents on why the giants season is the way it is but it’s a little bit of a theory. I believe Brian dabs is intentionally not giving this offense the creative play calls because he wants fans and Mara realize dj is not the guy. Last year we had an arguably worse oLine and his offense was driving it down the field with Barkley and dj hitting open guys. He took them to the playoffs with that but he probably wants an elite qb to go the distance so I think he’s tanking this year and we can move on with a different qb. I know that coaches don’t usually tank but I believe he’s thinking long term and doesn’t wanna miss out on this draft class.
Being as 4 for 4 Philadelphia fan I can tell you....FRONT OFFICE MEANS A FRIGGIN LOT!!! Flyers are the PRIME example BAD front office and Eagles and now Phillies as GOOD!
There’s so much wrong with the giants but I have to disagree with you about “0 young talent on this roster to be excited for in the future”. The only thing that separates this year from 2021 is that there actually is foundational pieces that can develop. Still need a qb, offensive line, wr and more. But there’s young talent that can grow
They haven't drafted well in forever. It's really that simple. No matter who the coaches are, we have drafted about as poorly as any team in NFL history. Shepard was the first WR to get a second contract w/ the team as far back as I can remember, and I am old as fuck. Name the last D-lineman we drafted who was an impact player. JPP? Linebacker? Carl Banks? O-lineman? Thomas had a terrible rookie season, a good second year, and a lost third season. One more year and he's gonna want a $150 million dollar contract.
Jerry Reese was a disaster at drafting. Gettleman lit the #2 and #6 picks on fire in back-to-back years, threw away our only All-Pro player cuz he dyed his hair yellow, and left the team w/ an empty roster of failed reach draft picks.
Go back to the Manning Super Bowl years. Name an All-Pro that Eli played with? An All-Pro offensive lineman? All-Pro WR? All-Pro anything? He played 290 straight games and had an All-Pro in the locker room with him for maybe 30.
This team hasn't had a stacked roster since Parcells left, full stop.
Daboll Is The Right Coach ……. Daniel Is The Wrong QB ……Kafka Is The Wrong OC
Gettleman was such an absolute moron and squandered so many good picks man. He totally blew it. He tried to start a rebuild with a RB…arguably the least important position on the field these days in Football that are often injured, offensive line dependent and have the shortest shelf lives. My god…then could have drafted Micah Parsons but came away ultimately with Kadarius Toney and Evan Neal…
As a cowboys fan, I hope they’re dumb enough to let Brian DaBoll go 😂. If dude can drag Daniel Jones to the playoffs, he’s a dangerous HC.
Starts and ends with the QB. Houston 2023 2-15 , 2024 with CJ Stroud…Winning!
It’s so bad, there’s a portion of fans that are saying they’re boycotting the team. The fans are tired of the losing culture.
As a lifelong Giants fan that knows why this team is terrible I can say you took the easy way out and put forth a lazy and lackluster effort.
gettlemen set the team back 5 years with bad cap and draft choices only year 2 withe schoen and dabes let them draft their qb
Trading OBJ was the signal they don't know what they were doing.
This video makes some good points, but it’s a little of a mess in some of its finer points.
This video is atrocious because how do you forget to mention the giants best Offensive player and franchise left tackle Andrew Thomas 😭😭
Also for the defensive side Kayvon is having a breakout season and yet there are those who wants to pretend he's a bust.
@@iamhungey12345Sal Licata never once put on a helmet and never once watched film but has the audacity to criticize a guy for not filling up the stat sheet 😂😂
Let’s hang up on Carl banks while we’re at it
Evan Neal was right 👀
@@doh-nc8ku Makes you wonder what his take on 1983 would be.
The giants have some nice you g pieces they just need a qb.
This is why Giants fans need to be careful who they listen to.
"Zero young talent on this current roster"
Perfect example of someone making a comment without objectively looking at the roster
Young talent currently on this roster
Andrew Thomas 24
Dexter Lawrence 25
Deonte Banks 22
Micah McFadden 23
John Michael-Schmitz 24
Kayvon Thibodeaux 22
Daniel Bellinger 23
Cordale Flott 22
Dane Belton 22
Isaiah Simmons 25
Tre Hawkins 23
Jalin Hyatt 22
Wan'dale Robinson 22
Joshua Ezuedu 24
Markus McKethan 23
DJ Davidson 24
Jordan Riley 25
Evan Neal 23
To say they have no young talent on the team is ridiculous, considering they have one of the youngest rosters in the NFL. If you are going to come on UA-cam and put out videos as someone educated on the Giants roster, at least do a little bit of research. This team has a lot of young talent.
You lost me at Evan Neal but still a solid list of guys.
Giants are going to the super bowl 58 this season year
We drafted a 1 year wonder QB
Who played against an Ed Donatell defense.
The answer is easy. The o line has been trash for a decade
They have been watching the Browns operations way too much.
the Giants front office is trash. i really couldn't believe they signed Daniel Jones to such a lucrative contract when all he has shown in his time in the league is that he is a bottom of the barrel quarterback. now they're on the hook for 92 million guaranteed. what an absolute joke.
I love Saqoun but he kinda screwed us by not taking the deal last season and forcing us to use the tag on him.
You covered it all. I like how you didn’t pile on any players either.
The failed rebuild of the.... White Sox? Nope, New York Giants
He already did that video
Every failed rebuild is doomed by drafting,you need to actually evaluate talent and not waste your 1st through 3rd round picks.Just look at the Cincinnati Bengals who officially went into a rebuild in the 2018 season and made the Superbowl by the 2021 season.They built that team off of hitting on Burrow/Chase/Higgins/Wilson/Pratt in a 3 year period and already had talents with Mixon/Hubbard and went in FA and got insane deals for guys like Reader/Hendrickson
Burrow is possibly a top 5 QB though idk if we get that lucky
@@Ty-lw8dpthey were scripted to go to the SB to be sacrificed
Also, in order to successfully rebuild, you need to hit in the draft. Look no further than 2021, 2022 and 2023. In '21, the Giants watched its two rivals make a trade so that the Philadelphia Eagles leapfrog them and take DeVonta Smith, Dallas then selected Micah Parsons. Who did the Giants get...Kadarius Toney! In 2022, the Giants used the extra first round pick from Chicago and selected...Evan Neal! Lastly, the Giants in '23 sat back again and watched wide receivers fall off the board - Jordan Addison, Zay Flowers would immediately be the no. 1 option in NY.
Not fair to criticize the OBJ trade in my opinion, the Giants had the best years of his career and they moved him on at the right time. Gettleman was much maligned, but I think that's unfair. D.Jones is a top 10 talent, if the Giants hadn't taken him he would have gone soon after. Barkley was the best talent available, and they expected him to juice up the offense from game 1. The Giants o-line has been terrible for a decade, Andrew Thomas and Evan Neil looked like smart, safe picks, it's hard to know why the o-line is still so bad.
Jones was never anything more than a game manager
What were we expecting. Drafted from Duke, No offensive line, no number #1 Wr. Drake Maye here we come but we still need a number 1.
I want caleb but Im fine with either guy@@MoreNYGPlease
2022 Daniel Jones was literally a good nfl qb and I hate the giants
L take, he was Vanilla Vick in 2022
@@yottabyte6146he was an average QB last year
It almost feels like the Giants almost never have a good offensive line. Maybe start there.
To say that Robinson and Hyatt are disappointments is wild. When they’ve been given opportunities, they’ve thrived. They need better QB play. Clearly.
Zero young talent to be excited about?
Tae Banks
Cordale Flott
Micah McFadden
Andrew Thomas
John Michael Schmitz
Dexter Lawrence (only 25)
Kayvon Thibadeux
Wandale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Daniel Bellinger
As a Giants fan, I feel like there’s plenty of young talent to be excited about. That’s not the problem. Running it back with Jones, mishandling injuries, poor depth and key ingame decisions are the differences between this team being .500 or better and the current 2-7.
Daboll and Schoen took some risks with the way the way they approached this season and they’ve nearly all backfired. Jones’ regression from a competent game manager to backup level play and some highly questionable coaching on Dabolls part just compounded that problem.
This is a team that can be a QB away from having a .500 floor in my opinion. With them lines up to have a top 5 pick, drafting Caleb Williams or Drake Maye can change their fortunes overnight.
On some real shit since you did this documentary, you should dig in the archives and see for yourself.
At some point someone should make a documentary on how Joe Scheon drafts . That needs exposure to the real Giant fans who know what is needed on our team.
0:58 The Giants do have young talent to be excited about for the future. So I don’t wanna hear that bullshit. Let me list off the young talent the Giants have…
•Malik Nabers
•Wan’Dale Robinson
•Jalin Hyatt
•Andrew Thomas
•John Michael Schmitz
•Kayvon Thibodeaux
•Dexter Lawrence
•Brian Burns
•Micah McFadden
•Deonte Banks
Micah McFadden is one of the most underrated linebackers in the National Football League.
That’s a ridiculous amount of players to build around. If they can just get a quarterback.
The Maras are screwing us. Half ass rebuilds. Let's Trade OBJ AND OLIVIER VERNON OUR NO 1 OFF AND DEF WEAPONS. TO THE BROWNS!!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYY
Reminds me of the Steven Jackson era Rams. Except they don't have an owner actually trying to sabotage them.
A franchise that’s had 1 playoff win since 2011. A franchise that’s qualified for the playoff TWICE since 2011. A franchise that has ZERO division titles since 2011, the fucking COMMIES-REDSKINS have more in that span. A franchise that’s had a COACHING CAROUSEL SINCE COUGHLIN. Been the punching bag of the Eagles and Cowboys for the last few years, haven’t beaten the Dak since his rookie year.
Keep drafting fucking o linemen that have been complete hit or miss, they’ve addressed the issue, some have succeeded like AT and others have failed horrendously like Flowers and Neal. DJ never blossomed into the top 10 that he was expected to be. Saquon chooses to rot his career away with this team. Fast forward this year worst offense in NFL history got humiliated week 1 at home vs the cowboys.
This franchise needs to STICK WITH SHOEN AND DABOLL INSTEAD OF CONSTANT FIRING, stick with the draft picks one day you’ll catch up to DAL and PHI.
The biggest failure has been the offensive line and wide receiver for years now. To have the best running back in the NFL he never could put together a string of 100 yard games because of the offensive line. Jones hasn't been able to show his full skill set because of this trash offensive line and practice squad receivers. Everybody thinks drafting a QB is the answer but it's not at all. The game is played in the trenches and if you ain't got a good offensive line the offense will not click at All. I think Joe did a good job this off season by adding new additions to the offensive line so I hope to see improvement there. He also addressed our wide receiver problem by drafting Malik and picking Burns was a huge win for our defense. Everything looks good on paper now let's see how it plays out on the field. Go Big Blue and let's make the haters eat crow Daniel Jones
JOHN MARA. His forcing a washed up Eli on his new GM hire in the 17-18 off season led to Gettleman being hired which set the team back by 5-10 yrs. If you want to go back further Eli should have been replaced as early as after the 2014 yr when he threw 27ints. He was showing signs of fall off then, but picking up Odell and always being behind in games, helped Eli have two empty stat great years in 2014 and 2015. And by 2016 he couldn't throw beyond 10 yards anymore, yet we held on to him for THREE full years before the Daniel Jones Error began.
Everyone in the NFL knew Jones was fool's gold in 2022. His "bounce back season" was throwing a paltry 15 TDs and not turning the ball over and Barkley balling out. Hope the next 3 years of that contract! 😂😂😂
When you have an old boys club and old mentality. Nothing will go right. Gettleman that’s it. I hope they let Barkley go, the kid deserves better. And yes again, they will get nothing for him but that’s the usual with the Giants. Right now they have too many moving parts so no one is developing properly. The rookie wr is lost out there. The 100mil qb is hurt, the OLine…… the defense is hodgepodge. Punter is inconsistent, Kicker is hurt, no return guy. I said it when Daboll was hired and they kept Jones. The year will be 2026 before they are respectable. New coach, new QB. It looks like I’m on track as much as I hate it. Let’s be honest when was the last time they beat the Eagles or the Cowboys? But here we go again a 3rd place schedule next year!!!! Yeah!!! Back to false hope. Gotta love it.
Ok fair vid but u can’t say there’s 0 young talent on the roster teams still a young team with a top 5 youngest age average
Giants don’t prioritize getting O lineman. That’s one of their biggest faults. OL comes before QBs. Chiefs had one, patriots always do, packers as well.
Mara is a bozo. These kids can't seem to stay healthy, that's a red flag. You know your offense sucks when your PLACE KICKER is your only consistent scorer.
Look ive been a giants fan since 1966, we've had up and downs. This team has been trying to rebuild since 2012. Even that last super bowl win was bad.
Mara needs to step down or sell the team
Also didn't help when Gettleman took over they tried to win AND rebuild at the same time. It doesn't work that way, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Throw in the great Golladay signing and the cap space hell that followed....yeah not great. REBUILD DAMNIT! I think Schoen has a good idea of what he's doing. Just needs some time....and cap space. I could very well be eating my words in a few years, but until then, In Schoen we trust!
It Isn’t failed out started in 2018/2019 and is still going on because of the 2022 season and Daniel Jones could do something IDK maybe he has another playoff appearance by 2025 or 2026 but it is going VERY HARD also they let go of Eli way too early they should’ve kept him until 2021 or 2022 this is one of the greatest QBs we’re talking about and that that OBJ trade was ass and I know some of what I said is what you said is what you said and I get that also the biggest reason for their rebuild being tough is OBJ leaving at 1st Eli retiring at 2nd or 3rd and injuries at 2nd or 3rd
DJ had one attractive quality before he was drafted. He was unfazed by the pass rush. He played well in a contract year and got PAID!!! Unfortunately, he now plays like the 2nd coming of Jim Everett. Phantom sack! Phantom sack! They also have no veterans who know what success is so as soon as the "kids" made the playoffs they were destined for a down year. Saquon sold out his fellow players and that can't be good. The answer is on the roster...kinda. Tyrod Taylor, Carson Wentz, or whoever is the veteran backup next year should be good enough to take the job regardless of salary. Trade Barkley because players will only F with him if he is a final piece that a team needs
the personnel on this team is REALLY bad and the way that some of the important positions have been managed has been really poor, specifically QB, and we’re still paying for the sins of Gettleman’s dreadful draft classes, mainly 2021. Despite Evan Neal being picked Joe Schoen’s first two draft classes already look incredibly better than any of Gettleman’s. But I don’t believe that there is much that Dabes/Schoen could have done other than not given into Jones’ demands and brought back one of Gates/Feliciano. But also they obviously wanted to try to let Ezeudu make it into the starting mix and were planning to get younger at Center. Bobby Johnson is clearly a bad apple on this staff. If anything, after this year they should be commended for what they did last year. They already have accomplished more in their time here than any of the past 10 other years. I wouldn’t be surprised if this team improves next year with the addition of a new QB and more protection up front in the pass and trenches. The part that sucks is idk where Saquon is aligned in the future for us.
So everything is spot on. The only thing I would say is, that OBJ trade actually worked in the Giants favor if you think about it. They used that draft pick on Dexter Lawrence and he’s been a bigger factor than OBJ has been since.
Reasons the Giants have been terrible
1. John Mara
2. Most games lost to injury since 2010
3. Horrific management of the Oline
I dunno… watching the Littles fade into mockery has been rather amusing. Yet another example of a team being hard carried by a QB.
Naw, let the Littles sit at the bottom of the East this decade. However, I will root for them to have more than -9 yards passing this weekend. Send the Cowshit packing, will you?
Horrible draft selections from 2015-2021 (outside of Saquon), bad offensive line, and the Odell trade was essentially a net negative.
Bobby Johnson is the worst O line coach I’ve witnessed. Idk how he landed a job in New York when the bills happily got rid of him once their o line wasn’t doing well. Most of the play calling revolves around the quick gain and getting the ball out which patches the o line problem. But it’s a bandaid at best, because you can’t stretch the field vertically. Once the opponent has tape on your plays, you have to adjust the play designs. Teams began playing man and aggressively taking away the check down reads.
The giants have attempted to call more longer developing plays with Jones, but he seems to take a lot more conservative reads than he did last season. Which looks absolutely awful when you watch how Tyrod Taylor played. I’d rather a QB throw 20 INT and force a defense to respect the deep ball with open looks downfield, than the receivers be open and totally ignored. This is easily Dan’s worst tape of his career. He may be replaced because it’s year 5, and he’s playing like a rookie.
"We didn't sign Odell to trade him." - Dave Gettleman, 9 days prior to trading Odell. That trade ruined this franchise and even though it turned into Dexter Lawrence, I've always said Daniel Jones should've had Odell for at least the first 2 years of his career. Things would be a hell of a lot different.
Well done. Remember. If a franchise fails on a QB selection, it sets them back 5 years minimum. Looks about right.
Giants fans who say every QB coming out is overrated, or that they should build the roster and save QB for last, or that Devito or jones are the answer are so delusional. These are the same people that would have said pass on a QB in 2004 and build around Kerry collins or older Kurt Warner. Besides giants already tried that approach of drafting everything but QB,when they def needed one, when they did shit like draft Beckham and Barkley and it didn’t work
easily the reason #1 is ownership with the Maras meddling in the decision-making in drafting and evaluating talent AKA Daniel Jones pick and contract
John Mara is committed to Joe schoen and Brian daboll for a long run this time as compared the previous regimes. But this still isn’t fully their players they drafted they deserve to draft their own QB and continue building their team. After 4-5 years of Joe Schoens and Brian Dabols team we can assess properly if it’s working or not. Ron Rivera has gotten a lot of time in Washington and has not produced Brian daboll should be given the same time
Saying the offensive line "sucked" is borderline illiterate. Are you proud of that? You've lost all credibility when you use language like that . . . Any intelligent observations that may come later are suspect. Your one tool is language and you don't know how to use it well.
the problem was the giants played too well in year 1 and raised expectations for year 2 ,the OL regressed neal is a wreck,JMS and thomas have missed time with injury and glowinski and ezudu didnt make the strides to start at OG we wanted/expected going into the season,then jones as dabol expanded his playbook this season he regressed into old bad habits pre dabol then injured both his neck and tore his ACL,the defence is starting too many rookies at key positions and adoree looks to be cooked at this point and with tyrod out with broken ribs and starting an undrafted rookie 3rd string QB being on the field too long and not having enough depth to cope with that pretty much the perfect storm for a sucking perspective this was year 2 of a REBUILD and last years playoff run blinded us to the fact we were rebuilding that jones contract was basically a 2yr deal temp placeholder while they tried to rebuild the offensive and defensive roster to support the QB he wasnt either the current coach or GM guy and they clearly were making the best of what they had and where they were picking in that draft meant the price to move up for a QB would be too high
The main problem is front office and especially John Mara. He’s a dinosaur and has build a losing culture
Honestly the coaching needs to be consistent so they shouldn’t fire the coaches or the GM. The line needs a lot of work so whatever QB (jones, Taylor, Devito) is there can finally make connections to the newer and younger WRs. Hyatt has a lot potential but because the line is basically a turnstile it’s very rare for the QB to make dedicated targets to those WRs
WE NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING TO TRULY REBUILD THE GIANTS:
1) TANK TO GO 2 - 15
2) DRAFT AN ELITE QB AND REPLACE DERPY JONES
3) PURGE THE TEAM OF GETTLEMAN'S INFLUENCE AND GO FOR A SCORCHED EARTH REBUILD
Stop firing coaches daboll isn't the problem I've watched DJ enough he's a good player but not consistent he had one good year. Neal needs to be a guard and pick up a tackle in free agency a good one. Defense is good draft Marvin Harrison Jr and a QB in the second round this draft will be loaded with them
O line . The O line has sucked for years , that had a couple of good O line players, but overall they were bad OBs never had enough time always under pressure RB can't find a hole force to run outside . That's just one of their problems. They somehow seem to let the productive players go or getaway as in the draft on and on. It's embarrassing to admit your a Giants fan that's how bad it is.
The complete inability to draft and develop players just all the resources they put into their o line, and not only is it not the strengthoftheir team. It's an out right liability. Just compare them to the cowboys. Two of their best CBs are a 2nd & 5th rounder respectively.
The biggest problem with the Giants failed rebuilds is a meddling owner. Get his family out of the front office and let the GM actually do his job independently and things might turn around. There's another chance to do this in 2024. Please get it right for once.
I might be wrong but I didn't hear a thing about the awful O line play in this video..Jones/DeVito have had less than 2.7 sec on average to get rid of the ball.
The rebuild is an ongoing process genius it's not going to happen in one year, and no matter who is playing quarterback your not going to get nothing going without an o-line to block the run and pass. Stick to your day job cuz your analysis is flawed 👎🏽 💯
Best in the NFL and cuts to the fking Ravens lol . Chiefs are #1 in the AFC right now, just go look at all the power rankings this week .
Gettleman whole 2021 draft is either out the league on another team or injuries .. dude was a horrible talent evaluator… and Daniel jones is bad … draft a qb rebuild the oline with vets and get rid of Bobby Johnson for Christ sakes
The rebuild just began last season. In the previous seasons, what were supposed to be rebuilds turned into False Hope Win Now. We blew up half last year, and we’re blowing up the other half now. Stop with this nonsense.
The giants issue was frankly drafting saquon and thinking he'd be the next ap. Even if they didn't want to pressure Eli with allen or lamar should've drafted ol
U forgot to mention the waste 💰 money on kenny golladay,that money could ve been used on the O-line besides that this video is 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😎
0 young talent? KT, Banks, McFadden, our defense is almost all young talent right now.
I've seen many fan bases show some sort of disagreement with their team's draft pick, but I NEVER saw such widespread disgust and anger as I did watching those Giants draft Daniel Jones.