I misspoke around the 3:12 mark. That was actually Tampa Bay’s 2nd franchise Super Bowl. Wasn’t a research issue. Just said the wrong thing. It happens🤷♂️ Do you think Belichick should retire?
@@aidenawe9359 no he didnt he took over a talented team that fell into tom brady, he was on his way to getting fired with drew bledsoe, know your history drone
Bill is a great defensive coach who runs the ball well on offence. The problem is the NFL is an Air Raid league and Bill can’t and won’t do that. He hates QBs. The NFL passed him by, something that seemed impossible 10 years ago
He never respected offense, as a result, he was a trash on offense. But his defense was a PAPER TIGER and couldn't step up in 4th quarters, the reason he couldn't even win a divisional title without Brady.
Only 17 teams in nfl have scored more than 500 points in a season, the Patriots have done it 4 times. The first was 2007 when they scored 597!! 2nd highest all time. That offense was built by Bill Belichick in one off season. He traded for Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth. Of course Tom Brady was the key player, but it was Belichick who gave him the talent. He put the focus on the offense at that time because he trusted Tom to lead the team. Mac Jones never gave Bill any reason to give him the "keys to the car". And Bill had the next iteration all lined up when he traded for Brandon Cooks and Phillip Dorsett. They were intended for Jimmy Garrapolo, but Brady refused to retire. The Patriots would be just fine right now if Bill could have moved on from Brady when he wanted to.
That team wasn't far off though. They needed one reliably good receiver or tight end and they would have made it to the AFC championship game. Brady doesn't need much to work with but he needs something.
Am I the only one that actually realizes that their conference just got better. lol bills actually can win a game now and look how dolphins are doing, a lot better if you ask me.
@@sethchandler4170well apparently he needs a lot to work with because the offence was terrible in 2019, the only reason they had a good record was bills defense holding the opponent to 7 PPG in the first 8 game and then generating dozens of turnovers and defensive touchdowns. And shocker they started 8-0.
Whether Bill intended for it or not, he has a huge Cult of Personality and no one held him accountable (hence why yes man like Joe Judge and Matt Patricia were given offensive coordinator positions they were not qualified for). The amount of times I would hear something like “Don’t Doubt Belichick” or “In Belichick We Trust” from other Pats fans after he made a stupid personnel decision was infuriating.
The whole thing felt like a cult real quick. The sloganeering, asking obvious questions makes you a bad guy, considering reality was a no.... Yeah I'm with you man in many ways other pats fans are my least favorite fan base.
So would that Be Kraft choosing Bill over Tom? Letting Tom go made no sense at the time, thought he would retire a Pate, seemed like an ego trip for Bill, but it answered who was truly responsible for their success.
Nah , he saw the end they spent the last 5 years selling out to win titles in Brady’s final years . He saw the writing on the wall and wanted to get ahead of it…and he wasn’t wrong, Brady retired. Only issue is he wasn’t able to keep the pats offense going , we lost front Edelman and offensive line and all running backs at the same time…not to mention the coaching brain drain. Defense is still really good, but the offense hasn’t been good since
Bill didn't want him there. His ego needed to prove that HE was the one responsible for the dynasty- not Brady. Look how that has turned out in hindsight.
@@dathorndike4908 I'm a huge Brady fan but acting as if Bill was being stupid for not wanting to give a 40+ year old QB a long-term contract is stupid. Atheltes usually fall off a cliff when they're 30 or even younger and very few continue to play into their 40s. Bill assumed that Brady was going to start declining and he was actually preparing to replace Brady with Garoppolo but Kraft forced Bill to trade him. Bill not giving Brady a long-term deal in 2019-2020 wasn't an "ego" thing it was a decision that almost every coach would've made. Bill was only off the mark by 2 years.
Yeah not going to give a 40 year old a 500 mil contract for 10 years with 1/2 guaranteed so he can retire 2 seasons in. I don’t blame Bill booting him out
@@RSTI191He was asked to be a game manager in 2001, and he did that to perfection. In 02 he led the league in TDs, in 03 he was prolific in the Super Bowl, etc.
@@coyohma8947 I was being sarcastic. To say it was all Brady is a slap in the face to every team member ever played with both with the Pats and Tampa where he went to a team stacked to the hilt spent 3? 4? years and scored only 1 S/Bowl.
@@RSTI191 Brady was the engine that determined how far Pats could go. Pats won SB only when Brady did far far far more than you could normally expect from a QB. All the other pieces were dispensable, including Belichick.
@@williamli6200 No doubt Brady was the catalyst. Not just on the field. However that Rams / Pat's Super bowl- that was a defensive chess match for all time..
I’d say bad drafting bad free agency was why they suck rn he’s a cheap and blind head coach/GM especially why Gronk retired rather then be traded to the lions or Tom being kicked because of a shit offense and Bill not wanting Tom to play until 45 Bill doesn’t control or care about offense really
As a Patriot fan you hit the nail on everything in this video. This been happening for a while but Brady had covered everything up. Belichick has an incredible ego and to much power in New England and he knows that, that’s why he been doing dumb decisions because nobody is going to question him and if they do their on the bench
Belichick is the greatest coach ever. Period. Bill never would've had success as a head coach if he hadn't found the perfect QB in Brady to execute under the madness he creates. But ego & arrogance, leading him to believe he could win with Johnny Foxborough, proved to be his downfall.
He expected Mac to take the same abuse Brady did for the good of the team. He also expected Mac to develop without veteran offensive coaches or backup QBs helping him. Bill's treated QB's this way since running Kosar out of Cleveland & looking at Bledsoe as just a huge contract to get out from under.
@@MetaTaco317 indeed Bill as a coach is one of the greats but as a GM he is horrible and his ego is huge and it’s going to continue to hurt the team. I don’t see Belichick coming back next year.
Belichick hiring Patricia and Judge for the offense was pure nepotism on his part. The guy always talks about doing what's best for the team, but then goes and does that. That's why I never really got too upset with Mac getting so pissed and showing them up in games last year. Of course no one knows if Mac would have been any better even under the most ideal circumstances, but that's not really the point. There is no denying the fact that Belichick did not do what was best for the team, and he put his second year quarterback at a huge disadvantage hiring two people who had no business being in those roles. Amazing how everyone else could see that except for Bill.
@@jayhawkins9459 Good on you having no reading comprehension skills. I clearly stated there's a good chance Mac wouldn't have been any better even in the most ideal circumstances. Doesn't change the fact Bill had his head up his ass hiring those other two bozos for the offense, and doesn't change the fact that mac, or any quarterback, had the right to be pissed off his coach wasn't putting him in the best position to succeed simply because of his own ego and nepotism.
Ive been saying this from last year, the game has changed and skill positions are way more valuable then the early 2000s. Sure you can get to the playoffs and be a contender with a decent team, but the top teams right now are loaded in skill positions and even mid quarterbacks are on teams that could win the superbowl. Even with matt patricia, we could have still looked a lot better if we started getting some actual weapons and players that can open up the game.
Some of the Patriot fans are stuck in 2009 and this is coming from a Patriot fan. I said this 4 years ago that the NFL is getting more athletic and faster while Belichick can’t understand that.
Word is that McDaniels was giving Mac rapid fire instructions on every play before the mic in the helmet gets cut at 15 seconds on the play clock. If true that explains everything imo.
The start of the downfall was drafting Mac. He’s tall but looks small on the field. He’s got decent 40 time but looks flat footed. He’s got the worst arm talent of any starter and that includes the current backups starting. The guy limits the Pats offense with his weak arm. He has no velocity and can only throw a deep pass if he steps up into the pocket and gets everything behind it. The greats can flick a ball rather than Mac can with all his might. I can’t understand the Mac defenders. He’s never passed the eye test. Same for tiny Bryce Young.
@sebbonxxsebbon6824 oh here we go with "never a good coach" you people are so ridiculous. When he took over the browns then when he left they were a playoff team. Guy had the greatest qb pf all time....but was tom always the greatest? No he wasn't the first portion of his career he was a game manager that relied on screen passes and his defense. They leaned on each other and made each other great. Saying one side is the reason over the other is horse shit and a brain dead take i expect to hear on WOKEPN
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824Don't parrot everything you hear in the media. Do your own research. A comment like this tells me you know nothing about Patriots history and what a coach does.
Your ignorant comment tells me a lot about you. WHAT IS BILL'S RECORD WITHOUT TOM?@@Tsepete You are just another internet troll, a know nothing. WINS are what matters not B.S..
As an older Pats fan I have to echo some of the other comments below. I remember the years we sucked bad, We drafted Drew Bledsoe #1 in the 1993 draft because of a 1-15 season the year before, so yes the older Patriot fans know what its like to have bad teams. The 20 years with Brady was awesome, I had to laugh at all the haters. We owned the NFL (except the Giants lol) as a result of two lucky ass plays. I'm ok to never see them win another Super Bowl, (I have youtube to watch replays of the 28-3 comeback over and over). I dont see what the Patriots accomplished tin that span ever being done again by anyone. Sorry Chiefs fans.
Lucky ass plays??? "Tuck rule" and Dee Ford supposedly lining up offsides, or that's two Super Bowls the Patriots never see. Then there's the Seahawks passing on the 2 yard line, and the Falcons calling pass plays when they were in position to kick a FG and put the Super Bowl out of reach!!! Brady never balled out like Montana's 55 points or Young's 49, and both of them did it in basically three quarters. Enjoy your UA-cam! 🤣🤣🤣
@@brettwheeler7753 Don't forget Marlon McCree, or John Kasay, or Billy Cundiff. When I think of Tom Brady, I think about those people. Heck, if it wasn't for the Tuck Rule, Brady and Belichick both may have been long gone from the NFL.
Its the drafting. The years and years of bad selections just continually put them in this bad spot. Every chance you had to restock the cupboard you got all the knock off generic stuff 😂.
Can’t disagree with that. Bill has still had the best coaching and GM run of all time, but we haven’t been able to replace guys on the o line, the qb the rbs wrs and te …and now we don’t even have a kicker. Bill is definitely partly to blame for offensive moves, but honestly not counting the weird Covid year you can still see bill has what it takes. The defense is always good no matter what , fix the o line alone and we’d be a playoff team
🛑🛑 When Belichick was at “the man”, and he and his teams were winning year after year;his “smug” news conferences we expected it; because they were winning. Now that the Patriots are an average to below average team, his news conferences are still “smug” when there are questions that need to answered. Due to Belichick’s, attitude and losing, if I were the owner of the Patriots, I believe I would let Bill go. Belichick’s posturing shows he thinks there is NOTHING Wrong with his methods or coaching decisions; when in reality Belichick needs to look at himself like one of his “legacy players” that he has let go. 💯🤷♂️
Football IQ? Bruh. Stop it. WITHOUT Brady he's like 81 - 99. ZERO DIVISION TITLES in 11 seasons. 2 playoff appearances in 11 seasons (one required an extra playoff spot in the new format that allows an extra team in from each conference). His offenses average BELOW 18 ppg. He MISSED THE PLAYOFFS in NINE out of the ELEVEN seasons he didn't have Brady. That...is....ATROCIOUS. No other "great" head coach has a record like that without ONE PLAYER (Brady). Only Bill. And with the Giants Lawrence Taylor won MVP with Parcells NOT Belichick as his coordinator. What is the basis for the "he has a higher football IQ than almost every player or coach to ever live?" I need something EMPIRICAL. Because, frankly, ANYBODY could've been Giants coordinator with LT, Banks and Carson. What, the early 90s Bills? They LOST to three other teams in the Super Bowl because the 90s Bills were chokers. The early 2000 Rams? Well Tony Dungy hell the Greatest Show on Turf to 11 points in 99/2000 NFCCG which was more impressive than what Belichick's Patriots did in the 2001 Super Bowl. BRADY MADE BELICHICK and without the GOAT TOM EINSTEIN BRADY Belichick would be NOTHING more than an overhyped Wade Philipps (except Wade Phillip's defenses, on average, are top 10 in Defensive DVOA over Wade's CAREER, whereas Beilchick's defenses as head coach of the Patriots since 2000 are 13th in Defensive DVOA, good but nothing special). Brady MADE BILL. He is NOT THE GREATEST DEFENSIVE MIND EVER. The greatest defensive mind ever does NOT allow Eli Manning to DRIVE the ball for game-winning drives LATE int he 4th quarter not in ONE super bowl but TWO super bowls. The greatest DEFENSIVE MIND EVER doesn't allow Nick Foles to torch his defense for 40 points while sitting Malcolm Butler. The greatest defensive mind ever does not REQUIRE his QB, Brady, to mount not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but SIX GAME WINNING DRIVES IN ALL SIX SUPER BOWLS to win. When the late 80s 49ers SMACKED the #1 Defense Broncos 55-10 in the super bowl, now THAT'S the greatest coaching mind of all time (Bill Walsh). Belichick's coaching tree is also GARBAGE. Name ONE genius head coach with a BAD head coaching tree. It doesnt exist. Lombardi, Halas, Walsh, Brown, Parcells, etc ALL had GREAT coaching trees. Only Belichick's is TRASH. Even Andy Reid's COACHING tree is better than Bill's. Coincidence? Bill Belichick is one of the most OVERRATED coaches in NFL history. Like one of his OWN players said about him recently: "Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is just another coach. Average." - Asante Samuel. Darrell Revis, another DEFENSIVE player who played under Belichick, said this: "In New England, it's all Tom. Tom runs the entire team and elevates the entire team." Danny Amendola said this: "There is no Patriot Way. The Patriot Way was Tom Brady and he's down in Tampa." Shall I Continue? BELICHICK IS OVERRATED, ALWAYS, and i mean to emphasize the word "always," has been. Bill Belichick has single-handedly cost the Patriots 3 rings: 2006 - In the 2006 AFCCG, Belichick's terrible coach sense was exposed yet again. Belichick didn't wanna resign Deion Branch, brady's only real weapon, for pennies on the dollar in the 2005 offseason. It COST them the AFCCG in 2006 against manning (where his DEFENSE blew a double digit lead at halftime while Brady was throwing to BUMS like Reche Caldwell). 2015 - In the 2015 AFCCG Belichick went for it on 4th down an inexplicable THREE TIMES IN FG RANGE, in a game where his offense could NOT move the ball against a historically great defense, and in a game that was decided by ONE POINT (horrible, horrible coaching) 2017 - Benches his BEST TACKLING SECONDARY PLAYER in Malcolm Butler who had played the most snaps of any player on his defense that season, in a game in which New England wins if they just get the Eagles off the field on 3rd down ONCE in the second half. Let Nick Foles light him up for 40 points and STILL refused to put Butler back int he game WASTING Brady's best ever performance (arguably), and becoming the FIRST TEAM EVER to score 30+ points in a super bowl and LOSE the game. And I could extend that list to 5 rings he cost them, but im being lenient. Brady was Bill Russell 2.0 and should have ended his career with about 10 or 11 rings just like the legendary GOAT Bill Russell did. And had Brady gotten Andy Reid as his head coach, he would have ended up with 10 or 11 rings. Because Reid wouldn't let his ego get in the way of coaching decisions like Belichick has over and over and over again. #OVERRATED #HEISNOTHINGWITHOUTBRADY(NOTHING) Shula ended his career better. Halas ended his career better. Lombardi ended his career better. Noll ended his career better. Walsh ended his career better. Brown ended his career better. Even Landry ended his career better. This may be the worst ending to a "top 10 all time" head coach we have ever seen.
Brady covered up YEARS of countless bonehead draft picks. Brady can’t cover up for all of Belichick’s mistakes now. Belichick is a BELOW 500 coach in New England without Brady…….sorry, thats a FACT. You are what your record is.
As a pats fan that pays way too much attention to the team, i pinpoint 3 key decisions that led to this clownshow, as well as an overall philosophy. 1. Drafting N'Keal Harry. When given the choice of top WR prospects like AJ Brown, Hollywood Brown, and DK Metcalf, Belichick instead chose an arizona state slot receiver who wasnt particularly big, fast, or good at running routes. But he could run block, something Belichick values highly, so he was the choice. 2. Hiring yesmen with no experience in 2022 over any actual offensive coaches. Patricia and Judge stunted Mac Jones' developement so badly that he literally went begging for outside help and then retaining one of them that mac straight up HATES finished the job. 3. Continuing the Mac-Zappe QB carousel. As the old saying goes, "if you have two quarterbacks, you dont have one" and nowhere is that truer than the 2023 patriots. Starting last season against the Bears the will they wont they back and forth has sapped the offense of any sense of continuity while utterly destroying any sense of confidence Mac Jones could possibly have. After all how well could you perform YOUR job with your boss standing ocer your shoulder ready to fire you at the slightest mistake, all while a crowd of people were standing around you saying how terrible you were. Good luck. All of this belies the thinking that underlies Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots, and has for a long time: they think they are the masterminds of success and the players are all interchangeable. They never bothered investing in the offense because Tom Brady was a god that could win super bowls with 7th round converted QBs and lacrosse players as his WRs and conversely viewed Brady as nothing special. Theres a quote from one of the cosches in a book about the dynasty where they literally said they could win with any average quarterback. So of course when Brady was ready to leave, they didnt bother trying to give him weapons or a worthy contract to convince him to stay, and after he left they didnt change their approach at all because after all, their approach was what won all those super bowls and they could repeat it with anybody. Now we see the fruits of that approach without the best QB of all time covering up all the holes.
Brady made The Patriots into a dynasty. He proved it by winning another super bowl with the Buccaneers. Someone should hire him for an offensive coordinating position.
Not only has his judge of talent been awful, but he's really become disliked both inside and outside the locker room. The Pats 2-10 record is all on Belichek. Just retire Bill!
Great video!! My biggest takeaway is that the downfall was due to BB's poor personnel moves, both in terms of coaching staff and player roster building. His coaches over the years have all failed as HCs when hired elsewhere, and he keeps bringing them back. His only decent assistant he keeps bringing back has been McDaniels as OC. The rest have been abysmal. One that is not mentioned is Bill O'Brien. I have no idea what anyone sees in him. Worse is that BB does not go "outside the family" to hire or develop new assistant coaches. New blood is important in these areas as play around the league evolves. This lack of evolution is a huge factor in my opinion. The Pats are operating in a silo. The player personnel part, I can't add anything as the video chronicles it well. The whole organization needs a complete revamping, or they will remain at the bottom of the league despite BB's abilities.
@@snave59 Yes, he has failed dismally as a HC, but as an OC he has been good, although he is mostly untested, post-Brady. The Pats have become a recycling plant, but the new product does not compare to the originally built one. New raw materials and manufacturing processes are needed, if ya know what I mean.
As a fan of another team, I think we can all agree that it’s about time for New England fans to experience what it’s like for their favorite team to be truly terrible.
For older fans, we know all too well what it's like to suck. The Pats sucked for most of the teams history, before Bellichick and Brady arrived. For me, after the past 20 years I don't feel that the Pats owe me anything. I can die knowing I experienced greatness at a level that my never be attained by any team in ANY sport.
I'm old enough to remember the Patriots in the early 1970s. That franchise was a dumpster fire for decades! Steve Grogan finally gave them some respectability, but it was short lived.
@@anthonyrobillard2304hopefully before you die you will realize the nfl is as rigged as wrestling . "The fix is in " "The fix is still in " " larceny games " QB s don't get paid 300 million to win games.
I've been a Patriots fan since the early 1970s and it was absolutely Bill belichick who blew it all. He had a very good system but without Tom Brady it was nothing. He turned the New England Patriots into the Cleveland Browns.
True. I also believe he lost those 3 Superbowls during his tenure as head coach. If we wasn't so ignorant and played and draft smarter, the New England Patriots would have 9 Superbowl championships right now.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that, being so consistently great for 20 years, they missed out on an entire generation of draft picks since they’d always be picking last or near last. And eventually everyone got old and left.
No . He passed on Lamar Jackson . Deebo Samuel . George Kittle . DK Metcalf . Brock Purdy . Travis Kelsey . These are all guys the Patriots could have drafted so the excuse but low draft picks doesn’t hold water
That may be true to a certain extent, but he has passed on great position skilled players. The Steelers haven’t had a losing record in a long time yet they’re still able to find good WRs in the later rounds.
Too* And he's the GM too right? He's selecting the players in the draft, he hires his assistant coaches to develop players, and he's responsible for game plans. Right?
The no. 1 mistake was how Belichick treated Tom Brady period. He should have stocked-up the Team with better receivers, and just PAID Tom Brady what he deserved -- his true market value as a Legendary 6-time winning Super Bowl QB and historic All-time NFL Great. Then......Belichick could have just sat back and watched The Patriots win another 2 Super Bowls. But instead ... he disrespected Tom Brady, and only wanted Brady on the Team if it just came at "bargain basement" prices -- while simultaneously he also let the Talent Level of the Team (especially on Offense) decline, plummet, and wither away. So Brady was left in a situation where basically had no choice but to seek out a different situation to save his own career -- because Belichick was getting in the way of the Team's success way BACK THEN (even before Brady ever moved to Tampa). And as we all know, Brady then took over the Tampa Bay Succaneers (a dysfunctional, Losing Franchise) and immediately elevated them to NFL Super Bowl Champions. So ... NO....... Brady was NOT coming to "the end" of his career, at the time back when Belichick was working to set him up for Failure. To prove that point, Tom Brady threw for over 40TDs and 5000 Yards at age 44 in the 2021-2022 season too -- and should have rightfully won the NFL MVP award that year as well --- (the year AFTER he had already brought the Super Bowl Championship to Tampa in 2020). So All of Bill Belichick's problems here derived from how he had decided to treat the Greatest NFL Football Player in NFL History. It's weird how Belichick always gushes on and on and on about Lawrence Taylor, various "Long snappers" & special Teams players, and QB Payton Manning ---- but never bothered to respect Tom Brady --- who was not only the Greatest NFL Football Player in NFL History -- but also a selfless, hard working, "nice guy", model Teammate, who never made any unreasonable salary demands and always took less pay out of loyalty to the Team. Tom Brady made Bill Belichick, and history shows how Belichick shot himself and his legacy in his own foot ... by just HOW HE chose to TREAT "Tom Terrific".
Oddly enough they did NOT appear to be a super team before Brady got there...the 5 seasons before his arrival they were 5-11, 5-11,7-9, 9-7, and 6-10. Moreover, the organization, the coaching staff, and the players give Brady credit for turning it all around and winning the Super Bowl!!!
Im old enough to remember when 1985 Bears beat down the Patriots in the SuperBowl. NO ONE even acknowledged or remembers who the bears beat until Belichick. there was Nothing. Brady didnt draft himself. He gives CREDIT to Belichick for the hard coaching to get the best out of him. Yet the "fans" and TV personalities act as if it was ONLY Brady....didnt know he played on Defense. Belichick was a Super Bowl winning coach BEFORE going to New England. The GREATEST LINEBACKER OF ALL TIME praises Belichick for coaching him hard....the REAL LT (Lawrence Taylor). As a Bucs fan I would LOVE to have Belichick. PLEASE get your fellow fans together and get him fired. We want to win a third SuperBowl ring. Patriots dont need him....they have their tears to keep them happy. 😂😂😂😂 They want to be irrelevant like they were until 1999.
Examining Coach Belichick's career before and after Tom Brady, there's little noteworthy success. Not to mention his lack of GM acumen. Both speak for themselves.
This proves Brady was more Important. He goes to another team and Wins ANOTHER Super Bowl and made the playoffs EVERY year until he retired. Belichick has had nothing but LOSING seasons every year Brady was NOT the QB. CASE CLOSED!!!!
I think the debate about Tom Brady's decline in New England is an interesting discussion in itself as BB has shown he is a great coach but a less good GM. Brady had no weapons and Bill wasnt shopping. To speak of Brady's inevitable decline is to ignore his two near MVP seasons that came with his arrival in TB. A surprise? Not if you remember hes Tom freekin Brady. I just wanted to give that particular point some air. It deserved a bit more time
The Jerk started to sabotage the team around 2015 when Brady started to understand his importance to their success. Introduced trainer Alex Guerro and made Billy madder than a wet cat. Billy reminds me of an only child who throws a fit when he doesn't get his way. The Jerks EGO got the better of him and he got what he deserved. When Brady left the team - EVERYBODY who could find a job somewhere else did so - to get away from the Jerk
One thing that gets ignored a lot is that Mac heavily fell off in the back half of the 2021 season. They basically limped into the playoffs and rightly got crushed. So it's not that he was a good QB and then fell apart, he was trending down before 2022 even started. But then he was given no favors and the bottom fell out
It drives me crazy when people talk about Bill Belichick being one of the all-time coaching greats. It is simply incorrect. Do you realize that over the course of his entire career, when he doesn't have Tom Brady as a quarterback, he actually has a losing record? Not only a losing record, but no super bowls, and one playoff win. For coaching how long is a head coach 30 years or thereabouts? One playoff win without Tom brady. His entire career is made up of writing on Tom's coattails. And now, he hasn't done crap without him. It's time for Bill to go.
It was Brady. That's it. Similar to (many teams) that drafted a #1 Running back that holds up the team for a few years. Except Brady did it for 20 years.
Yah him and the towel boy both had as much to do with the Pats Dynasty...well the towel boy did not blow the SB vs the eagles and screw over the GOAT...so I would take the towel boy over Bill
Bellichik isn’t the greatest coach ever look at his record without Brady he is sub 500 by a long shot. No he is definitely the best defensive mind to ever show in the nfl but he can’t draft a skill player on offense to save his life and his ego is way over blown. Both Brady and Belichick were Taylor made for each other
Definitely belicheck, he doesnt draft anyone thats actually good. He just hopes that the qb will make them good, like tom brady did and he mainly just focuses on defense… look how bad the offense is this year and how decent the defense is.
Belichick is a weird dude. Keep in mind this is the same person who didn’t do anything to keep Tom Brady. He has been trying to get rid of Jones for a couple of years. He pretty much has destroyed the whole franchise trying to do it.
New England needs to get rid of BB and burn down everything he did. It's worse than before Bledsoe was our QB. We're not just bad, we're the laughing stock of the league.
It's bb his decision making and building this team is trash. Should've add more weapons on offense, d is legit already. He doesn't care about offense still living in the past
He was not the greatest coach . He had the best quarterback of all time! His record without Brady is very average! Brady was the best player in the history of the Patriots!
This is good and I think its correct, what a mistake to have Patricia as OC with Judge with a young QB with a lot of potential. Also true that BB had no real long term plan after Brady left. Finally his drafting has been poor, no question. BB was always a very good DC. I think now it is obvious that Brady made the Pats.
Kraft, allowed most of his entire staff to leave - then the franchise building cornerstone, Brady left. So, I think he's a great coach rebuilding the franchise, but a terrible GM picking players - and not really meant to run an offense.
Bill Walsh completely changed the way that offense, and in turn defense, has been played in the NFL for over 40 years. The 49ers went to seven Super Bowls with four different QB's running his offense. The great majority of teams run some variation of Walsh's offense. Tom Brady is the reason that New England had success, period.
Bills vs Patriots where the Patriots ran the ball 46 times and Mac Jones threw 3 passes was one the most arrogant, egotistical pieces of coaching in football history. Patriots won (just), but Mac Jones lost his confidence.
I’m a pats fan. Bill has killed the team with the boneheaded decisions you discuss. Nevertheless he had a plan. Jimmy G. A QB good enough to take you to the Super Bowl when coached correctly but Robert forced the trade in support of Tom. Since that day this team has been doomed.
Belichick had 3 years to find Brady's replacement after Garoppolo left. The best he could come up with is Stidtham. It was looking like he was the next guy, but Belichick put him out with the trash so fast as soon as Cam Newton was available. All that aside, Belichick shouldn't have had a replacement plan in Jimmy G when Brady had another 8 years to play. Jimmy G was backup or nothing in New England as long as Brady was there. He's not going to sit around for 8 years to become the starter after Brady retires.
@@clarkkent1521 I think that’s a little hindsight. I love Tom he’s my Quarterback always will be. But I didn’t think he was playing till 44 and when we were sitting there in 2013 haven’t won a Super Bowl since 2004 I personally though at that time that obviously Brady starts but let’s figure it out. Bill drafting Jimmy fueled Brady to really strive for what he achieved since then. When he came back in 2014 I mean holy shit. Coming back from 10 down against that Seahawks defense. I think that last Super Bowl 2018, Bill envisioned Jimmy to win that one. Now I don’t think Jimmy could’ve scored that many points against the chiefs, Bill couldn’t predict when mahomes got drafted and by who in 2013. But Jimmy fueled Brady to be better than him and then once Bill was forced to relent by Kraft, Tom’s hatred for Bill fueled him to win in despite of Bill. Trying to replace him, not wanting to give Brady a contract, trying to trade Gronk. And the Jets have formed so many plans and how has that worked out for them. 3 years isn’t a lot. You get one plan. I think Bill has had a lot. He screwed up one and it’s kind of unfortunate because he’s better than this.
He almost killed the team in 2000 and 2001, and Brady turned that around. BTW, Jimmy G would help Pats make to SB? are you fooking kidding me? the Pats BeliCHEAP put around Brady was not even 30% as good as 49ers.
@@sethchandler4170 Any player starts to look like that 10 years into the NFL but he went to the Super Bowl with the 49ers. Let’s not pretend that didn’t happen.
The problem with Bill is that he’s holding two different positions. They need to make a decision on whether he should be GM or HC. Obviously his track record as a GM hasn’t been good. Like you mentioned, assigning a DC to be an OC is something a good GM wouldn’t do. Then again Kraft should have stepped in and done something about it
Remember the early 90s? When the pats went 9-39 in 3 years, including a franchise worst 1-15 1990 season, and their best season was 1991, when they were 6-10, and were led by a coach on crack. Dick macpherson went 2-14 in 1992, and 8-24 overall
Even the best coaches can’t win a Super Bowl without a top 15 QB. I’m tired of people bringing up that Brady went TB & won a SB. That team was stacked with a top 5 defense & added Gronk & Antonio Brown to Mike Evans & Chris Godwin & a running game featuring Leonard Fournette.
True- He went there to stoke his ego- Didn't want to put in the effort to go to a middle of the pack team and make them better- If he did - I would have respected him more kinda like Phil Jackson who left the Bulls after Jordan and asked himself- Where can I go To make myself look good without putting in too much effort?? - I Know- I'll go to the Lakersand join Shaq and Kobe- why should I kill myself going to a bunch of losers-
I think belichick intended jedd fisch to take the coordinator job. Instead fisch went to Arizona. Seeing how Arizona looks makes me wonder how much better the offense would look if he stayed.
If Belichick left NE and went to TB that season he would have won a SB as well... Lets stop pretending the Bucs wernt STACKED head to toe and were only missing a decent QB. Jaemis Winston just threw over 5k yards and Im pretty sure they had a top 10 D that season before Brady went. He didnt "carry" them to a SB whatsoever. He left and went to a super team.
Stopit!! Nobody was saying the Bucs were a super team before Brady came there.This is just another of your million excuses that you use to discredit Brady's Super bowl victory in Tampa bay
As far as who is to blame, Belichick bears the most responsibility, but we aren’t necessarily aware of the impact the Krafts have had. I was always disappointed that the Pats weren’t better during Tom Brady’s absolute prime. They were very good, by any objective standard, over the period from 2005 through 2013, but, compared to the other segments of the era between 2001 and 2019, it wasn’t so great. They only made the Super Bowl twice, famously losing both to the Giants. This was the part of Brady’s career when he was putting up absolutely phenomenal stats. The defense was the problem in those years, despite Belichick being such a supposedly defensive minded coach. I know that Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Indianapolis had some great teams in that era, but the Pats should have done more with Brady’s best years.
Still got 6 sbs lol. As a Packers fan with Rodgers I really know what it was like to get years wasted after 2010 and 11. Some of it bad luck too. Wish I could say the same
@@packisbetter90 Yes. My complaint comes from a place of being spoiled for a long time, though I’ve been around long enough to remember some bad days for all of Boston’s teams. But, the fact remains that the Pats’ best teams were not from when Brady was at the absolute top of his game, and I have to hang a lot of the blame for that on Belichick, not that you can fault a coach too much when a team goes 18-1.
Exactly, people make it seem like it was truly plausible to keep both Brady and Garoppolo. When they had the same agent. Obviously Jimmy wanted a chance to start somewhere and he wasn’t going to sign some “bridge” contract to take over for Tom who may have (and did) outlast and out play whatever the terms of that contract would have been. If anything they should have traded him early that offseason instead of trying to somehow mastermind a way to keep (and somehow pay) both of them on the roster for a few extra years.
@@jqight740 they likely were, but that happened in an era without free agency. And honestly a part of me thinks (I obviously don’t know it for a fact) that Belichick thought he could somehow talk Jimmy into staying and sitting on the bench for a while at a discount. Don’t know why he would think that, the guy had said when he filled in for Brady during the suspension he wanted to play, but by keeping him thru that offseason of the final year of his rookie deal, all the way up to the trade deadline, to me he clearly thought he could do it. Once Jimmy was in his last year and looking to be tagged if he didn’t get to Free Agency, they should have started looking for trade partners and turning to the draft for someone else they liked, while they could still get a relatively high pick for him. Cause ain’t no way any of the players were going to be happy that off season if Jimmy G was riding the bench making more than Brady, especially Brady.
I'm way late to this party but IMO, Belichick is a hypocrite. Belichick expects EVERYONE ELSE to be accountable and team driven so, WHY ISN'T HE??!! It's abundantly clear that Belichick is a brilliant Narcissist. He's the best defensive mind the game has ever seen, but he has NO respect for offense and offensive players, and NO respect for the Owner that employs him. He has repeatedly undermined what was best for the team while claiming otherwise. Sitting Malcolm Butler in SB 52 threw ALL Players under the Bus! How was that best for the TEAM?! Players are human and all different. It's a HC duty to manage personalities and CREATE an atmosphere of SUCCESS for overall TEAM benefit! Ruining the starting QB consciously or unconsciously because he isn't "your guy" is Textbook NARCISSISM and absolutely NOT what is “BEST” for the TEAM! Belichick does what is best for his EGO! He may have cut his football teeth under Navy Athletics, and he may THINK he runs a team modeled on the military, but he does NOT! He FORGOT that EVERY serviceman swears an oath and is accountable to a higher authority! The Admiral or General, may not agree with or even respect The President, but it's their duty to their country to follow orders and to NEVER undermine or subvert “The Boss” or the MEN under their command. Belichick should never again be trusted with a HC position. He's borderline megalomaniacal, and a cancer in any position of authority. I would hire him as a DC with very minimal authority only. IMO, players were willing to endure the "Belichick Way" because they believed TB12 ensured a legitimate SB shot year after year. Yes, the defenses were equally important to the repeated success, but The GOAT was the GLUE that held it all together. When the glue dissolved, it unsurprisingly fell apart.
A great coach his PHILOSOPHY & SCHEME can make up for average QB along with average players and win games but also the same great coach makes players better now add a average QB who WORKED his ASS off learning from the best COACH OF ALL TIME WHO DEVELOPED AND BECAME THE GREATEST QB EVER TOM BRADY but here's the catch a coaches career is based on WINS AND WINS IS BASED ON THE QB?? The QB & COACH IS JOINED AT THE HIP
Please make another one of these but with pete carroll and the seahawks i honestly believe carroll is wasting his teams talents and keeps on recruiting awful coaches
NE PAT'S has lost alot of great guys in front office & coaches & scouts like nick,caserio Texans Monti,ossenfort card's dave Zeigler raiders but he was fired after just 2 season I think he would been a good GM if not for Josh McDaniels and the greatest OFF line coach retired few ys ago point is with that many guy's leaving over time no wonder NE is struggling if Bill can get McDaniels back as oc an start getting better players in here & replace some of the great minds in front office & scouting and if Mac can put everything behind him get his CONFIDENCE BACK BILL CAN & WILL TURN NE AROUND
Bill Belichick (w/ Tom Brady) = Winner Bill Belichick (w/o Tom Brady) = 👻👻 It's as simple as that. Even, if Brady wouldn't win another superbowl with the Pats, I still believe they'd be a threat in the Playoffs. Now, they can barely be good enough to get into the Playoffs or miss entirely....
Using the Bucs team he went to as a gauge against Belichick I and the patriots? That’s not even remotely close to being even. Brady went to an absolutely stacked Buccaneers team that just needed a good quarterback to win. And they probably could have done it with Winston, especially since he got Gronk and Antonio Brown. That argument is bullshit because once that team went to hell? Brady went to hell. If you noticed all the years Brady and Belichick didn’t win? It’s because they didn’t have an absolutely stacked fucking roster with an amazing offensive line. Don’t use that argument. Because it’s a bogus bullshit analogy.
Dude have you ever played FB I have an I never ever walked out on the field like I WAS TROY POLAMALU OR ED REED!! My coach pushed me an developed me as a player and for you too say anything about BILL BELICHICK IT TOOK HIM & TOM BRADY too play In 9 SB winning 6 I keep telling everyone FB is a team sport not 1 guy can win alone it takes a team effort
@ 3:11 Tom Brady did NOT lead Tampa Bay to their FIRST super bowl in team history. The Bucs won Super Bowl 37 for the 2002 season, airing on 1-26-2003 defeating the Raiders 48-21. The Raiders being defeated by their Ex-Coach John Gruden.
Yes, Cam Newton was a mistake. They should have flat out rebuilt from day 1 post Tom. Belichek eventually said their cap issues forbid them from retooling with Brady(which was BS), but then totally rebuild man. I think they signed Cam cuz Bill wanted to compete with Tom. I, and most pats fans, understood Tom went to a ready made championship team. BB should have been smart, and not jealous/petty, and started the full on rebuild. Being mid gets you nowhere. Sony Michele was a waste. N Harry was a joke. They can't pick offensive skill players. Never really have. Lineman, yes. Maybe tight end(but truth be told, they could only get Gronk cuz his injury history and The murderer cuz most knew he was trouble). Their inability to find wide receivers is atrocious. Brady made others around him better. Without that level QB, you're not gonna raise a C talent to a B+/A- anymore. If they could draft receivers, BRADY WOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT. He left because of the dirth of talent. Belichek the coach is fine. Belichek the GM has got to go. Brady squeezed every last drop of ability out of that offense. In the early years, Belichek had help. As those guys left(as happens to great teams), instead of replacing them, he just took sole control of everything. Well that's too damn much. Hire better talent evaluators. The steeers and ravens constantly find new receivers. I was the Jax game the other night, their 2nd and 3rd receivers did stuff no Pats guy could dream of. The one decent recent pic? They let go to the Raiders and they signed a washed up mess from KC. They can't assess college OR pro talent at the receiver position. Patricia? Don't even need to say anything. Going forward? Keep Bill the coach, but bring in a GM and fire the whole fucking scouting department. At least those on the offensive side. Defensively they still pick reasonably well.
None of it worked without brady, there was no "patriot way" without brady. Its not a small sample size, Belichick has had 10+ seasons as head coach without brady and has 2 playoff appearances and ONE playoff win and it was in 1995!. How many assistant head coaches got head coaching jobs and paid because of brady? And they all failed . Further more Belichick has drafted 2 pro bowlers in the last 12+ years , a punter and a returner. While bardy won superbowlS with 3 white recievers, 2 under 5'10" and the third was a lacrosse player. Belichick traded gronk to Matt Patricias dumpster fire Detroit lions and gronk threatened to retire and finished the season by having the most important catch in the final Superbowl. Not to mention Belichick wanting to trade brady in 2016/17 and go with jimmy fricken gerapelo, so that would be two LESS rings for Belichick and pats cause brady has won more superbowls than Jimmy glass has played full seasons since then. Brady was the ultimate eraser for Belichick for years and belichecks EGO wouldnt aknowledge that instead thinking it was all his system. For years Belichick was called a genius for taking other teams cast offs and practice players and making them impactful players on the Patriots but bradys leadership cant be stated enough for the success. Robert kraft himself has been quoted saying "bill said tom was washed and he goes and win the f-en Superbowl the next year" not to mention while bill made $25 million a year tom brady NEVER made over $20mill a year in new England while lesser qbs in the league were making $30-$40+ million. Belichick rode Brady's coat tails and i hope he coaches another team so the nfl world can watch him drive that organization into the ground.
I don’t get why coaches get all this praise when it’s clearly because of their players. DiMeco Ryans (probably misspelled) is getting talked about coach of the year because CJ Stroud is good. Like WTF did Ryans do? Sean Peyton on the other hand. Yea, I can see why he’s been talked about. As for Belichek…it was always Brady.
Bill: I know defense, how to call it, how to attack an opposing offense Also Bill: I let my coordinators get too big for their britches, drafted slow WRs and drafted generic pocket passer QB's outside of the GOAT. Bill should retire, but you "Massholes" should build a fucking monument to the man for what he did for a floundering franchise and ABSOULETLY never forget it
It took awhile to metastasize, but once Kraft stepped in and forced Belichick to stop developing Jimmy G as Brady’s eventual replacement (trading him to the 49ers), the Pats were poised to begin a downfall.
If Mac Jones would have landed with a Sean Peyton or a Sean McVay his career would have been totally different! Coaches and Coordinators matter see Baker Mayfield's career path!! At this point Mac Jones just wants OUT of New England so he tanked, hopefully he'll get a shot with another organization? Belichick needs to retire, he's toast without Tom!
I misspoke around the 3:12 mark. That was actually Tampa Bay’s 2nd franchise Super Bowl. Wasn’t a research issue. Just said the wrong thing. It happens🤷♂️ Do you think Belichick should retire?
Yeah, he turned a bottom franchise into a dynasty. But he is one of the greatest coach in nfl history.
@@aidenawe9359 no he didnt he took over a talented team that fell into tom brady, he was on his way to getting fired with drew bledsoe, know your history drone
He should get traded, we need something for him!
Yes but he won’t. He will continue and turn a 12-5 team to a 9-8 till he breaks the record because he hates Shula.
He should move on to the Chargers, Commanders or Bears
The Buccaneers won a Super Bowl in 2002
I knew i wasn't crazy
You’re right. I didn’t realize until after I misspoke.
Yeah, I was actually AT that game (I used to work at Qualcomm Stadium as a press liaison and that was our third and final time Hosting😢)
To be fair that was a forgettable sb lol
The season i fell in love with the game. Madden 2003/nfl 2k3 franchise mode drew me in but that 49ers vs giants wildcard game won me over.
Bill is a great defensive coach who runs the ball well on offence. The problem is the NFL is an Air Raid league and Bill can’t and won’t do that. He hates QBs. The NFL passed him by, something that seemed impossible 10 years ago
He never respected offense, as a result, he was a trash on offense.
But his defense was a PAPER TIGER and couldn't step up in 4th quarters, the reason he couldn't even win a divisional title without Brady.
Only 17 teams in nfl have scored more than 500 points in a season, the Patriots have done it 4 times. The first was 2007 when they scored 597!! 2nd highest all time. That offense was built by Bill Belichick in one off season. He traded for Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth. Of course Tom Brady was the key player, but it was Belichick who gave him the talent. He put the focus on the offense at that time because he trusted Tom to lead the team. Mac Jones never gave Bill any reason to give him the "keys to the car". And Bill had the next iteration all lined up when he traded for Brandon Cooks and Phillip Dorsett. They were intended for Jimmy Garrapolo, but Brady refused to retire. The Patriots would be just fine right now if Bill could have moved on from Brady when he wanted to.
Great succinct and thorough explanation
Tom would easily be above 500 with this team. Thats not Bill. Thats not plays. Mac chokes.
What is Bill without Tom: Nobody
What is Tom without Bill: A Superbowl Champion
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To those who want to reply in contrast:
🫳🏾🎤... *Dwayne Johnson voice* Shut up B***h.
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If you ask me the team started to fall apart in Brady’s last year and fully fell apart this year
Yeah, even their receiving core was Edelman and more Edelman
Yep got eliminated in the first round of the playoffs by a 9-7 Titans Team...
That team wasn't far off though. They needed one reliably good receiver or tight end and they would have made it to the AFC championship game.
Brady doesn't need much to work with but he needs something.
Am I the only one that actually realizes that their conference just got better. lol bills actually can win a game now and look how dolphins are doing, a lot better if you ask me.
@@sethchandler4170well apparently he needs a lot to work with because the offence was terrible in 2019, the only reason they had a good record was bills defense holding the opponent to 7 PPG in the first 8 game and then generating dozens of turnovers and defensive touchdowns. And shocker they started 8-0.
Whether Bill intended for it or not, he has a huge Cult of Personality and no one held him accountable (hence why yes man like Joe Judge and Matt Patricia were given offensive coordinator positions they were not qualified for).
The amount of times I would hear something like “Don’t Doubt Belichick” or “In Belichick We Trust” from other Pats fans after he made a stupid personnel decision was infuriating.
The whole thing felt like a cult real quick. The sloganeering, asking obvious questions makes you a bad guy, considering reality was a no.... Yeah I'm with you man in many ways other pats fans are my least favorite fan base.
So would that Be Kraft choosing Bill over Tom? Letting Tom go made no sense at the time, thought he would retire a Pate, seemed like an ego trip for Bill, but it answered who was truly responsible for their success.
I'm part of a cult and I hold no one responsible
@@jennyanydots2389 You are responsible.
@@sethchandler4170 Sponsibilities are for losers boi. I'm a true reel deal Holyfield Billy Big Timed Style of winner son. Watch yo mouf.
Dude, his biggest mistake was pushing TB12 out
The reason he let Brady go was because he actually believed that he didn't need Brady to win.We se how that's working out.Now he looks like a joke
Nah , he saw the end they spent the last 5 years selling out to win titles in Brady’s final years . He saw the writing on the wall and wanted to get ahead of it…and he wasn’t wrong, Brady retired. Only issue is he wasn’t able to keep the pats offense going , we lost front Edelman and offensive line and all running backs at the same time…not to mention the coaching brain drain. Defense is still really good, but the offense hasn’t been good since
When you consider Brady wanted a long term commitment going into 2019 and that's why he didn't stay in N.E...really sad
Bill didn't want him there. His ego needed to prove that HE was the one responsible for the dynasty- not Brady. Look how that has turned out in hindsight.
@@dathorndike4908 I'm a huge Brady fan but acting as if Bill was being stupid for not wanting to give a 40+ year old QB a long-term contract is stupid. Atheltes usually fall off a cliff when they're 30 or even younger and very few continue to play into their 40s. Bill assumed that Brady was going to start declining and he was actually preparing to replace Brady with Garoppolo but Kraft forced Bill to trade him. Bill not giving Brady a long-term deal in 2019-2020 wasn't an "ego" thing it was a decision that almost every coach would've made. Bill was only off the mark by 2 years.
@@toyotoyo8410somebody who gets it. Thank you
3 years at least.@@toyotoyo8410
Yeah not going to give a 40 year old a 500 mil contract for 10 years with 1/2 guaranteed so he can retire 2 seasons in. I don’t blame Bill booting him out
Brady made that show happen. Bill is getting exposed big time.
Yeah especially in that Rams / Pat's Super Bowl where Brady lit up the score board all day.
@@RSTI191He was asked to be a game manager in 2001, and he did that to perfection. In 02 he led the league in TDs, in 03 he was prolific in the Super Bowl, etc.
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I was being sarcastic.
To say it was all Brady is a slap in the face to every team member ever played with both with the Pats and Tampa where he went to a team stacked to the hilt spent 3? 4? years and scored only 1 S/Bowl.
@@RSTI191 Brady was the engine that determined how far Pats could go. Pats won SB only when Brady did far far far more than you could normally expect from a QB.
All the other pieces were dispensable, including Belichick.
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No doubt Brady was the catalyst.
Not just on the field.
However that Rams / Pat's Super bowl- that was a defensive chess match for all time..
I’d say bad drafting bad free agency was why they suck rn he’s a cheap and blind head coach/GM especially why Gronk retired rather then be traded to the lions or Tom being kicked because of a shit offense and Bill not wanting Tom to play until 45 Bill doesn’t control or care about offense really
As a Patriot fan you hit the nail on everything in this video. This been happening for a while but Brady had covered everything up. Belichick has an incredible ego and to much power in New England and he knows that, that’s why he been doing dumb decisions because nobody is going to question him and if they do their on the bench
Belichick is the greatest coach ever. Period.
Bill never would've had success as a head coach if he hadn't found the perfect QB in Brady to execute under the madness he creates.
But ego & arrogance, leading him to believe he could win with Johnny Foxborough, proved to be his downfall.
He expected Mac to take the same abuse Brady did for the good of the team. He also expected Mac to develop without veteran offensive coaches or backup QBs helping him.
Bill's treated QB's this way since running Kosar out of Cleveland & looking at Bledsoe as just a huge contract to get out from under.
@@MetaTaco317 indeed Bill as a coach is one of the greats but as a GM he is horrible and his ego is huge and it’s going to continue to hurt the team. I don’t see Belichick coming back next year.
@@MetaTaco317 The Greatest Coach? He can't win a playoff game unless Brady is his quarterback.
Most Narcissists have an insecure Ego.
Belichick hiring Patricia and Judge for the offense was pure nepotism on his part. The guy always talks about doing what's best for the team, but then goes and does that. That's why I never really got too upset with Mac getting so pissed and showing them up in games last year. Of course no one knows if Mac would have been any better even under the most ideal circumstances, but that's not really the point. There is no denying the fact that Belichick did not do what was best for the team, and he put his second year quarterback at a huge disadvantage hiring two people who had no business being in those roles. Amazing how everyone else could see that except for Bill.
Not everyone, half the fan base still can't see it
Good on you picking that bum Mac over bill 🤣
@@jayhawkins9459 Good on you having no reading comprehension skills. I clearly stated there's a good chance Mac wouldn't have been any better even in the most ideal circumstances. Doesn't change the fact Bill had his head up his ass hiring those other two bozos for the offense, and doesn't change the fact that mac, or any quarterback, had the right to be pissed off his coach wasn't putting him in the best position to succeed simply because of his own ego and nepotism.
Ive been saying this from last year, the game has changed and skill positions are way more valuable then the early 2000s. Sure you can get to the playoffs and be a contender with a decent team, but the top teams right now are loaded in skill positions and even mid quarterbacks are on teams that could win the superbowl. Even with matt patricia, we could have still looked a lot better if we started getting some actual weapons and players that can open up the game.
I've been saying it since before last year soooo sssssuck on that why don't ya boiiiiii!!?!?
Some of the Patriot fans are stuck in 2009 and this is coming from a Patriot fan. I said this 4 years ago that the NFL is getting more athletic and faster while Belichick can’t understand that.
@@alanshaw6933 Brugh, u sayin they ain't enough black on roster? Brugh, that's races brugh.
@@jennyanydots2389 ummm what 🧐
Patriots still had a loosing record before Brady. Excuses statement.
Bucs won 1 SB before Brady, but great vid overall!
Word is that McDaniels was giving Mac rapid fire instructions on every play before the mic in the helmet gets cut at 15 seconds on the play clock. If true that explains everything imo.
Such a coincidence that Mac only winning season is when McDaniels were there
Where did you hear that?
The start of the downfall was drafting Mac.
He’s tall but looks small on the field. He’s got decent 40 time but looks flat footed. He’s got the worst arm talent of any starter and that includes the current backups starting.
The guy limits the Pats offense with his weak arm. He has no velocity and can only throw a deep pass if he steps up into the pocket and gets everything behind it. The greats can flick a ball rather than Mac can with all his might.
I can’t understand the Mac defenders. He’s never passed the eye test. Same for tiny Bryce Young.
Once Brady left, Bill was cooked.
Worse, Bill drove Brady out. He never was a great coach, it was Tom that carried them.
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824 Agreed.
@sebbonxxsebbon6824 oh here we go with "never a good coach" you people are so ridiculous. When he took over the browns then when he left they were a playoff team. Guy had the greatest qb pf all time....but was tom always the greatest? No he wasn't the first portion of his career he was a game manager that relied on screen passes and his defense. They leaned on each other and made each other great. Saying one side is the reason over the other is horse shit and a brain dead take i expect to hear on WOKEPN
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824Don't parrot everything you hear in the media. Do your own research. A comment like this tells me you know nothing about Patriots history and what a coach does.
Your ignorant comment tells me a lot about you. WHAT IS BILL'S RECORD WITHOUT TOM?@@Tsepete You are just another internet troll, a know nothing. WINS are what matters not B.S..
As an older Pats fan I have to echo some of the other comments below. I remember the years we sucked bad, We drafted Drew Bledsoe #1 in the 1993 draft because of a 1-15 season the year before, so yes the older Patriot fans know what its like to have bad teams. The 20 years with Brady was awesome, I had to laugh at all the haters. We owned the NFL (except the Giants lol) as a result of two lucky ass plays. I'm ok to never see them win another Super Bowl, (I have youtube to watch replays of the 28-3 comeback over and over). I dont see what the Patriots accomplished tin that span ever being done again by anyone. Sorry Chiefs fans.
Lucky ass plays??? "Tuck rule" and Dee Ford supposedly lining up offsides, or that's two Super Bowls the Patriots never see. Then there's the Seahawks passing on the 2 yard line, and the Falcons calling pass plays when they were in position to kick a FG and put the Super Bowl out of reach!!!
Brady never balled out like Montana's 55 points or Young's 49, and both of them did it in basically three quarters. Enjoy your UA-cam! 🤣🤣🤣
@@brettwheeler7753 Don't forget Marlon McCree, or John Kasay, or Billy Cundiff. When I think of Tom Brady, I think about those people. Heck, if it wasn't for the Tuck Rule, Brady and Belichick both may have been long gone from the NFL.
It’s his drafting. BB will trade back into the second round and take the 7th best rated placeholder in the draft.
Its the drafting. The years and years of bad selections just continually put them in this bad spot. Every chance you had to restock the cupboard you got all the knock off generic stuff 😂.
Can’t disagree with that. Bill has still had the best coaching and GM run of all time, but we haven’t been able to replace guys on the o line, the qb the rbs wrs and te …and now we don’t even have a kicker. Bill is definitely partly to blame for offensive moves, but honestly not counting the weird Covid year you can still see bill has what it takes. The defense is always good no matter what , fix the o line alone and we’d be a playoff team
🛑🛑 When Belichick was at “the man”, and he and his teams were winning year after year;his “smug” news conferences we expected it; because they were winning.
Now that the Patriots are an average to below average team, his news conferences are still “smug” when there are questions that need to answered.
Due to Belichick’s, attitude and losing, if I were the owner of the Patriots, I believe I would let Bill go.
Belichick’s posturing shows he thinks there is NOTHING Wrong with his methods or coaching decisions; when in reality Belichick needs to look at himself like one of his “legacy players” that he has let go.
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Bill Belichick has always been a better coach than a a GM. I always thought that Brady was the biggest reason.
Football IQ?
Bruh. Stop it. WITHOUT Brady he's like 81 - 99. ZERO DIVISION TITLES in 11 seasons. 2 playoff appearances in 11 seasons (one required an extra playoff spot in the new format that allows an extra team in from each conference). His offenses average BELOW 18 ppg. He MISSED THE PLAYOFFS in NINE out of the ELEVEN seasons he didn't have Brady. That...is....ATROCIOUS. No other "great" head coach has a record like that without ONE PLAYER (Brady). Only Bill.
And with the Giants Lawrence Taylor won MVP with Parcells NOT Belichick as his coordinator.
What is the basis for the "he has a higher football IQ than almost every player or coach to ever live?"
I need something EMPIRICAL. Because, frankly, ANYBODY could've been Giants coordinator with LT, Banks and Carson.
What, the early 90s Bills? They LOST to three other teams in the Super Bowl because the 90s Bills were chokers.
The early 2000 Rams? Well Tony Dungy hell the Greatest Show on Turf to 11 points in 99/2000 NFCCG which was more impressive than what Belichick's Patriots did in the 2001 Super Bowl.
BRADY MADE BELICHICK and without the GOAT TOM EINSTEIN BRADY Belichick would be NOTHING more than an overhyped Wade Philipps (except Wade Phillip's defenses, on average, are top 10 in Defensive DVOA over Wade's CAREER, whereas Beilchick's defenses as head coach of the Patriots since 2000 are 13th in Defensive DVOA, good but nothing special).
Brady MADE BILL. He is NOT THE GREATEST DEFENSIVE MIND EVER. The greatest defensive mind ever does NOT allow Eli Manning to DRIVE the ball for game-winning drives LATE int he 4th quarter not in ONE super bowl but TWO super bowls. The greatest DEFENSIVE MIND EVER doesn't allow Nick Foles to torch his defense for 40 points while sitting Malcolm Butler.
The greatest defensive mind ever does not REQUIRE his QB, Brady, to mount not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but SIX GAME WINNING DRIVES IN ALL SIX SUPER BOWLS to win.
When the late 80s 49ers SMACKED the #1 Defense Broncos 55-10 in the super bowl, now THAT'S the greatest coaching mind of all time (Bill Walsh).
Belichick's coaching tree is also GARBAGE. Name ONE genius head coach with a BAD head coaching tree. It doesnt exist. Lombardi, Halas, Walsh, Brown, Parcells, etc ALL had GREAT coaching trees.
Only Belichick's is TRASH. Even Andy Reid's COACHING tree is better than Bill's.
Coincidence? Bill Belichick is one of the most OVERRATED coaches in NFL history.
Like one of his OWN players said about him recently: "Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is just another coach. Average." - Asante Samuel.
Darrell Revis, another DEFENSIVE player who played under Belichick, said this: "In New England, it's all Tom. Tom runs the entire team and elevates the entire team."
Danny Amendola said this: "There is no Patriot Way. The Patriot Way was Tom Brady and he's down in Tampa."
Shall I Continue?
BELICHICK IS OVERRATED, ALWAYS, and i mean to emphasize the word "always," has been.
Bill Belichick has single-handedly cost the Patriots 3 rings:
2006 - In the 2006 AFCCG, Belichick's terrible coach sense was exposed yet again. Belichick didn't wanna resign Deion Branch, brady's only real weapon, for pennies on the dollar in the 2005 offseason. It COST them the AFCCG in 2006 against manning (where his DEFENSE blew a double digit lead at halftime while Brady was throwing to BUMS like Reche Caldwell).
2015 - In the 2015 AFCCG Belichick went for it on 4th down an inexplicable THREE TIMES IN FG RANGE, in a game where his offense could NOT move the ball against a historically great defense, and in a game that was decided by ONE POINT (horrible, horrible coaching)
2017 - Benches his BEST TACKLING SECONDARY PLAYER in Malcolm Butler who had played the most snaps of any player on his defense that season, in a game in which New England wins if they just get the Eagles off the field on 3rd down ONCE in the second half. Let Nick Foles light him up for 40 points and STILL refused to put Butler back int he game WASTING Brady's best ever performance (arguably), and becoming the FIRST TEAM EVER to score 30+ points in a super bowl and LOSE the game.
And I could extend that list to 5 rings he cost them, but im being lenient. Brady was Bill Russell 2.0 and should have ended his career with about 10 or 11 rings just like the legendary GOAT Bill Russell did. And had Brady gotten Andy Reid as his head coach, he would have ended up with 10 or 11 rings. Because Reid wouldn't let his ego get in the way of coaching decisions like Belichick has over and over and over again.
#OVERRATED
#HEISNOTHINGWITHOUTBRADY(NOTHING)
Shula ended his career better.
Halas ended his career better.
Lombardi ended his career better.
Noll ended his career better.
Walsh ended his career better.
Brown ended his career better.
Even Landry ended his career better.
This may be the worst ending to a "top 10 all time" head coach we have ever seen.
Brady covered up YEARS of countless bonehead draft picks. Brady can’t cover up for all of Belichick’s mistakes now. Belichick is a BELOW 500 coach in New England without Brady…….sorry, thats a FACT. You are what your record is.
As a pats fan that pays way too much attention to the team, i pinpoint 3 key decisions that led to this clownshow, as well as an overall philosophy.
1. Drafting N'Keal Harry. When given the choice of top WR prospects like AJ Brown, Hollywood Brown, and DK Metcalf, Belichick instead chose an arizona state slot receiver who wasnt particularly big, fast, or good at running routes. But he could run block, something Belichick values highly, so he was the choice.
2. Hiring yesmen with no experience in 2022 over any actual offensive coaches. Patricia and Judge stunted Mac Jones' developement so badly that he literally went begging for outside help and then retaining one of them that mac straight up HATES finished the job.
3. Continuing the Mac-Zappe QB carousel. As the old saying goes, "if you have two quarterbacks, you dont have one" and nowhere is that truer than the 2023 patriots. Starting last season against the Bears the will they wont they back and forth has sapped the offense of any sense of continuity while utterly destroying any sense of confidence Mac Jones could possibly have. After all how well could you perform YOUR job with your boss standing ocer your shoulder ready to fire you at the slightest mistake, all while a crowd of people were standing around you saying how terrible you were. Good luck.
All of this belies the thinking that underlies Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots, and has for a long time: they think they are the masterminds of success and the players are all interchangeable. They never bothered investing in the offense because Tom Brady was a god that could win super bowls with 7th round converted QBs and lacrosse players as his WRs and conversely viewed Brady as nothing special. Theres a quote from one of the cosches in a book about the dynasty where they literally said they could win with any average quarterback.
So of course when Brady was ready to leave, they didnt bother trying to give him weapons or a worthy contract to convince him to stay, and after he left they didnt change their approach at all because after all, their approach was what won all those super bowls and they could repeat it with anybody. Now we see the fruits of that approach without the best QB of all time covering up all the holes.
Brady made The Patriots into a dynasty. He proved it by winning another super bowl with the Buccaneers. Someone should hire him for an offensive coordinating position.
Not only has his judge of talent been awful, but he's really become disliked both inside and outside the locker room. The Pats 2-10 record is all on Belichek. Just retire Bill!
Great video!!
My biggest takeaway is that the downfall was due to BB's poor personnel moves, both in terms of coaching staff and player roster building. His coaches over the years have all failed as HCs when hired elsewhere, and he keeps bringing them back. His only decent assistant he keeps bringing back has been McDaniels as OC. The rest have been abysmal. One that is not mentioned is Bill O'Brien. I have no idea what anyone sees in him.
Worse is that BB does not go "outside the family" to hire or develop new assistant coaches. New blood is important in these areas as play around the league evolves. This lack of evolution is a huge factor in my opinion. The Pats are operating in a silo.
The player personnel part, I can't add anything as the video chronicles it well.
The whole organization needs a complete revamping, or they will remain at the bottom of the league despite BB's abilities.
Josh McDaniels,has been given several head coaching jobs.He has failed at all of them.
@@snave59 Yes, he has failed dismally as a HC, but as an OC he has been good, although he is mostly untested, post-Brady.
The Pats have become a recycling plant, but the new product does not compare to the originally built one. New raw materials and manufacturing processes are needed, if ya know what I mean.
The Bill Walsh coaching tree is the greatest in history!
As a fan of another team, I think we can all agree that it’s about time for New England fans to experience what it’s like for their favorite team to be truly terrible.
For older fans, we know all too well what it's like to suck. The Pats sucked for most of the teams history, before Bellichick and Brady arrived. For me, after the past 20 years I don't feel that the Pats owe me anything. I can die knowing I experienced greatness at a level that my never be attained by any team in ANY sport.
@@anthonyrobillard2304 Fair enough.
Agree!
I'm old enough to remember the Patriots in the early 1970s. That franchise was a dumpster fire for decades! Steve Grogan finally gave them some respectability, but it was short lived.
@@anthonyrobillard2304hopefully before you die you will realize the nfl is as rigged as wrestling . "The fix is in " "The fix is still in " " larceny games " QB s don't get paid 300 million to win games.
Belicheck actually did have a plan for Brady’s retirement and that was Jimmy G but New England forced a trade.
oh yea they would have won soo many superbowls with Jimmy G starting. lol.
Brady>belichick
I've been a Patriots fan since the early 1970s and it was absolutely Bill belichick who blew it all. He had a very good system but without Tom Brady it was nothing. He turned the New England Patriots into the Cleveland Browns.
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True. I also believe he lost those 3 Superbowls during his tenure as head coach. If we wasn't so ignorant and played and draft smarter, the New England Patriots would have 9 Superbowl championships right now.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that, being so consistently great for 20 years, they missed out on an entire generation of draft picks since they’d always be picking last or near last. And eventually everyone got old and left.
No . He passed on Lamar Jackson . Deebo Samuel . George Kittle . DK Metcalf . Brock Purdy . Travis Kelsey . These are all guys the Patriots could have drafted so the excuse but low draft picks doesn’t hold water
That may be true to a certain extent, but he has passed on great position skilled players. The Steelers haven’t had a losing record in a long time yet they’re still able to find good WRs in the later rounds.
Trololol
@@noelv1976 IT IS NOT TRUE. Drafting Nkeal Harry over Metcalf DESTROYS any argument otherwise. CMON THAT WAS A LAYUP!
Everyone passed on all of those guys. That is a silly argument.@@enemyzer092
Belichick has always been a defensive minded coach, and that defense hasn’t been doing to bad
I agree but reports say O’Brien doesn’t even have control. Bill does.
Never mind a team with a good defense and no offense, drafted defense in their first 3 rounds
Hiring Matt Patricia as oc would be a friable offense for anyone else.
Well we"re not talking about defensive coordinators we're talking about head coaches quit making excuses
Too*
And he's the GM too right? He's selecting the players in the draft, he hires his assistant coaches to develop players, and he's responsible for game plans. Right?
The no. 1 mistake was how Belichick treated Tom Brady period. He should have stocked-up the Team with better receivers, and just PAID Tom Brady what he deserved -- his true market value as a Legendary 6-time winning Super Bowl QB and historic All-time NFL Great. Then......Belichick could have just sat back and watched The Patriots win another 2 Super Bowls. But instead ... he disrespected Tom Brady, and only wanted Brady on the Team if it just came at "bargain basement" prices -- while simultaneously he also let the Talent Level of the Team (especially on Offense) decline, plummet, and wither away. So Brady was left in a situation where basically had no choice but to seek out a different situation to save his own career -- because Belichick was getting in the way of the Team's success way BACK THEN (even before Brady ever moved to Tampa). And as we all know, Brady then took over the Tampa Bay Succaneers (a dysfunctional, Losing Franchise) and immediately elevated them to NFL Super Bowl Champions. So ... NO....... Brady was NOT coming to "the end" of his career, at the time back when Belichick was working to set him up for Failure. To prove that point, Tom Brady threw for over 40TDs and 5000 Yards at age 44 in the 2021-2022 season too -- and should have rightfully won the NFL MVP award that year as well --- (the year AFTER he had already brought the Super Bowl Championship to Tampa in 2020). So All of Bill Belichick's problems here derived from how he had decided to treat the Greatest NFL Football Player in NFL History.
It's weird how Belichick always gushes on and on and on about Lawrence Taylor, various "Long snappers" & special Teams players, and QB Payton Manning ---- but never bothered to respect Tom Brady --- who was not only the Greatest NFL Football Player in NFL History -- but also a selfless, hard working, "nice guy", model Teammate, who never made any unreasonable salary demands and always took less pay out of loyalty to the Team. Tom Brady made Bill Belichick, and history shows how Belichick shot himself and his legacy in his own foot ... by just HOW HE chose to TREAT "Tom Terrific".
Brady also had a super team in tampa
Oddly enough they did NOT appear to be a super team before Brady got there...the 5 seasons before his arrival they were 5-11, 5-11,7-9, 9-7, and 6-10. Moreover, the organization, the coaching staff, and the players give Brady credit for turning it all around and winning the Super Bowl!!!
@@jwprosperhmm jamies winston threw for 50tds nd like 40 int ….
Im old enough to remember when 1985 Bears beat down the Patriots in the SuperBowl. NO ONE even acknowledged or remembers who the bears beat until Belichick. there was Nothing. Brady didnt draft himself. He gives CREDIT to Belichick for the hard coaching to get the best out of him. Yet the "fans" and TV personalities act as if it was ONLY Brady....didnt know he played on Defense. Belichick was a Super Bowl winning coach BEFORE going to New England. The GREATEST LINEBACKER OF ALL TIME praises Belichick for coaching him hard....the REAL LT (Lawrence Taylor).
As a Bucs fan I would LOVE to have Belichick. PLEASE get your fellow fans together and get him fired. We want to win a third SuperBowl ring. Patriots dont need him....they have their tears to keep them happy. 😂😂😂😂
They want to be irrelevant like they were until 1999.
Examining Coach Belichick's career before and after Tom Brady, there's little noteworthy success. Not to mention his lack of GM acumen. Both speak for themselves.
This proves Brady was more Important. He goes to another team and Wins ANOTHER Super Bowl and made the playoffs EVERY year until he retired. Belichick has had nothing but LOSING seasons every year Brady was NOT the QB. CASE CLOSED!!!!
I think the debate about Tom Brady's decline in New England is an interesting discussion in itself as BB has shown he is a great coach but a less good GM. Brady had no weapons and Bill wasnt shopping.
To speak of Brady's inevitable decline is to ignore his two near MVP seasons that came with his arrival in TB. A surprise? Not if you remember hes Tom freekin Brady.
I just wanted to give that particular point some air. It deserved a bit more time
The Jerk started to sabotage the team around 2015 when Brady started to understand his importance to their success. Introduced trainer Alex Guerro and made Billy madder than a wet cat. Billy reminds me of an only child who throws a fit when he doesn't get his way. The Jerks EGO got the better of him and he got what he deserved. When Brady left the team - EVERYBODY who could find a job somewhere else did so - to get away from the Jerk
One thing that gets ignored a lot is that Mac heavily fell off in the back half of the 2021 season. They basically limped into the playoffs and rightly got crushed. So it's not that he was a good QB and then fell apart, he was trending down before 2022 even started. But then he was given no favors and the bottom fell out
It drives me crazy when people talk about Bill Belichick being one of the all-time coaching greats. It is simply incorrect. Do you realize that over the course of his entire career, when he doesn't have Tom Brady as a quarterback, he actually has a losing record? Not only a losing record, but no super bowls, and one playoff win. For coaching how long is a head coach 30 years or thereabouts? One playoff win without Tom brady. His entire career is made up of writing on Tom's coattails. And now, he hasn't done crap without him. It's time for Bill to go.
It was Brady. That's it. Similar to (many teams) that drafted a #1 Running back that holds up the team for a few years. Except Brady did it for 20 years.
Take Brady away from the equation and Bill Belichick actually a below average coach. He's making Todd Bowles look pretty good this year.
Belichick is an average coach. Always was. The patriots wins were all Brady.
I can't understand why people keep kissing Belchick's ass.
Belichick is a 100% fraud. At best he’s a good defensive coordinator. Tom Brady is the goat
Yah him and the towel boy both had as much to do with the Pats Dynasty...well the towel boy did not blow the SB vs the eagles and screw over the GOAT...so I would take the towel boy over Bill
Bellichik isn’t the greatest coach ever look at his record without Brady he is sub 500 by a long shot. No he is definitely the best defensive mind to ever show in the nfl but he can’t draft a skill player on offense to save his life and his ego is way over blown. Both Brady and Belichick were Taylor made for each other
Definitely belicheck, he doesnt draft anyone thats actually good. He just hopes that the qb will make them good, like tom brady did and he mainly just focuses on defense… look how bad the offense is this year and how decent the defense is.
Belichick is a weird dude. Keep in mind this is the same person who didn’t do anything to keep Tom Brady. He has been trying to get rid of Jones for a couple of years. He pretty much has destroyed the whole franchise trying to do it.
New England needs to get rid of BB and burn down everything he did. It's worse than before Bledsoe was our QB. We're not just bad, we're the laughing stock of the league.
It's bb his decision making and building this team is trash. Should've add more weapons on offense, d is legit already. He doesn't care about offense still living in the past
He was not the greatest coach . He had the best quarterback of all time! His record without Brady is very average! Brady was the best player in the history of the Patriots!
I think Bill is a good coach. The problem is he is a horrible GM and his crappy attitude and vindictiveness can alienate players.
This is good and I think its correct, what a mistake to have Patricia as OC with Judge with a young QB with a lot of potential. Also true that BB had no real long term plan after Brady left. Finally his drafting has been poor, no question. BB was always a very good DC. I think now it is obvious that Brady made the Pats.
Say what you want but I’ll never pick another coach over bill, that man brought the most wins to New England we will ever see
Kraft, allowed most of his entire staff to leave - then the franchise building cornerstone, Brady left. So, I think he's a great coach rebuilding the franchise, but a terrible GM picking players - and not really meant to run an offense.
The pats didn't want him anymore. That's why he went to the Bucs. Brady won the 2nd championship in Tampa history
For those 6 trophies I’ll sign up again and again. Buttttt it’s time to make a move.
The Patriots were a lot more than a duo. About 50 other guys on that team would argue with you.
Bill Walsh completely changed the way that offense, and in turn defense, has been played in the NFL for over 40 years. The 49ers went to seven Super Bowls with four different QB's running his offense. The great majority of teams run some variation of Walsh's offense. Tom Brady is the reason that New England had success, period.
He is one of the greatest coaches of all time, he
is also one of the worst GMs of all time.
Bills vs Patriots where the Patriots ran the ball 46 times and Mac Jones threw 3 passes was one the most arrogant, egotistical pieces of coaching in football history. Patriots won (just), but Mac Jones lost his confidence.
I’m a pats fan. Bill has killed the team with the boneheaded decisions you discuss. Nevertheless he had a plan. Jimmy G. A QB good enough to take you to the Super Bowl when coached correctly but Robert forced the trade in support of Tom. Since that day this team has been doomed.
Belichick had 3 years to find Brady's replacement after Garoppolo left. The best he could come up with is Stidtham. It was looking like he was the next guy, but Belichick put him out with the trash so fast as soon as Cam Newton was available. All that aside, Belichick shouldn't have had a replacement plan in Jimmy G when Brady had another 8 years to play. Jimmy G was backup or nothing in New England as long as Brady was there. He's not going to sit around for 8 years to become the starter after Brady retires.
@@clarkkent1521 I think that’s a little hindsight. I love Tom he’s my Quarterback always will be. But I didn’t think he was playing till 44 and when we were sitting there in 2013 haven’t won a Super Bowl since 2004 I personally though at that time that obviously Brady starts but let’s figure it out. Bill drafting Jimmy fueled Brady to really strive for what he achieved since then. When he came back in 2014 I mean holy shit. Coming back from 10 down against that Seahawks defense. I think that last Super Bowl 2018, Bill envisioned Jimmy to win that one. Now I don’t think Jimmy could’ve scored that many points against the chiefs, Bill couldn’t predict when mahomes got drafted and by who in 2013. But Jimmy fueled Brady to be better than him and then once Bill was forced to relent by Kraft, Tom’s hatred for Bill fueled him to win in despite of Bill. Trying to replace him, not wanting to give Brady a contract, trying to trade Gronk. And the Jets have formed so many plans and how has that worked out for them. 3 years isn’t a lot. You get one plan. I think Bill has had a lot. He screwed up one and it’s kind of unfortunate because he’s better than this.
He almost killed the team in 2000 and 2001, and Brady turned that around.
BTW, Jimmy G would help Pats make to SB? are you fooking kidding me? the Pats BeliCHEAP put around Brady was not even 30% as good as 49ers.
Jimmy G can't even stay on the field and he chokes when he does. What are you even talking about? Jimmy G is a joke in this league.
@@sethchandler4170 Any player starts to look like that 10 years into the NFL but he went to the Super Bowl with the 49ers. Let’s not pretend that didn’t happen.
I think you forgot to mention how he wanted to trade Brady and keep JG
The problem with Bill is that he’s holding two different positions. They need to make a decision on whether he should be GM or HC. Obviously his track record as a GM hasn’t been good. Like you mentioned, assigning a DC to be an OC is something a good GM wouldn’t do. Then again Kraft should have stepped in and done something about it
Kraft let it continue for too long. Should have been stripped of that position the moment he let his dog draft at his home office, lol.
Reminds me of Mike Shanahan's last 3 years in Denver - except the highs and lows were less extreme
Nailed it.
The Patriots Organization has destroyed Mac.
Remember the early 90s? When the pats went 9-39 in 3 years, including a franchise worst 1-15 1990 season, and their best season was 1991, when they were 6-10, and were led by a coach on crack. Dick macpherson went 2-14 in 1992, and 8-24 overall
He should have left when tom brady left.
Bill Belichick is the problem! Those draft picks make me want to throw up! 🤮
Even the best coaches can’t win a Super Bowl without a top 15 QB.
I’m tired of people bringing up that Brady went TB & won a SB. That team was stacked with a top 5 defense & added Gronk & Antonio Brown to Mike Evans & Chris Godwin & a running game featuring Leonard Fournette.
True- He went there to stoke his ego- Didn't want to put in the effort to go to a middle of the pack team and make them better- If he did - I would have respected him more
kinda like Phil Jackson who left the Bulls after Jordan and asked himself- Where can I go
To make myself look good without putting in too much effort?? - I Know- I'll go to the Lakersand join Shaq and Kobe- why should I kill myself going to a bunch of losers-
@@FM-qq2kk Remember Kevin Durant with the Warriors?? 🤣🤣🤣
I think belichick intended jedd fisch to take the coordinator job. Instead fisch went to Arizona. Seeing how Arizona looks makes me wonder how much better the offense would look if he stayed.
If Belichick left NE and went to TB that season he would have won a SB as well... Lets stop pretending the Bucs wernt STACKED head to toe and were only missing a decent QB. Jaemis Winston just threw over 5k yards and Im pretty sure they had a top 10 D that season before Brady went. He didnt "carry" them to a SB whatsoever. He left and went to a super team.
Stopit!! Nobody was saying the Bucs were a super team before Brady came there.This is just another of your million excuses that you use to discredit Brady's Super bowl victory in Tampa bay
Patriots even had a shot at Lamar Jackson
The Buk's under Brady was their 2 supper bowl win not their first!!
We wouldn't mind having him back with the Giants
You say that now....
Point of order: Buccaneers won a Super Bowl in 2003 before Brady showed up
As far as who is to blame, Belichick bears the most responsibility, but we aren’t necessarily aware of the impact the Krafts have had. I was always disappointed that the Pats weren’t better during Tom Brady’s absolute prime. They were very good, by any objective standard, over the period from 2005 through 2013, but, compared to the other segments of the era between 2001 and 2019, it wasn’t so great. They only made the Super Bowl twice, famously losing both to the Giants. This was the part of Brady’s career when he was putting up absolutely phenomenal stats. The defense was the problem in those years, despite Belichick being such a supposedly defensive minded coach. I know that Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Indianapolis had some great teams in that era, but the Pats should have done more with Brady’s best years.
Still got 6 sbs lol. As a Packers fan with Rodgers I really know what it was like to get years wasted after 2010 and 11. Some of it bad luck too. Wish I could say the same
@@packisbetter90 Yes. My complaint comes from a place of being spoiled for a long time, though I’ve been around long enough to remember some bad days for all of Boston’s teams. But, the fact remains that the Pats’ best teams were not from when Brady was at the absolute top of his game, and I have to hang a lot of the blame for that on Belichick, not that you can fault a coach too much when a team goes 18-1.
You should do a video on the collapse then quick rise of the Philadelphia Eagles
He coasted on Bradys success for 20 years lol
Damn I forgot Brady held the Rams to 16 combined points, in 2 superbowls, crazy.
7:10 I think Belechik tried to groom Jimmy Garoppolo but I guys he was too injury prone and didn’t want to wait until Brady retired.
Exactly, people make it seem like it was truly plausible to keep both Brady and Garoppolo. When they had the same agent. Obviously Jimmy wanted a chance to start somewhere and he wasn’t going to sign some “bridge” contract to take over for Tom who may have (and did) outlast and out play whatever the terms of that contract would have been. If anything they should have traded him early that offseason instead of trying to somehow mastermind a way to keep (and somehow pay) both of them on the roster for a few extra years.
@@patriotsfan122480 they were probably hoping for a Joe Montana to Steve Young situation which never fell through.
@@jqight740 they likely were, but that happened in an era without free agency. And honestly a part of me thinks (I obviously don’t know it for a fact) that Belichick thought he could somehow talk Jimmy into staying and sitting on the bench for a while at a discount. Don’t know why he would think that, the guy had said when he filled in for Brady during the suspension he wanted to play, but by keeping him thru that offseason of the final year of his rookie deal, all the way up to the trade deadline, to me he clearly thought he could do it.
Once Jimmy was in his last year and looking to be tagged if he didn’t get to Free Agency, they should have started looking for trade partners and turning to the draft for someone else they liked, while they could still get a relatively high pick for him. Cause ain’t no way any of the players were going to be happy that off season if Jimmy G was riding the bench making more than Brady, especially Brady.
I'm way late to this party but IMO, Belichick is a hypocrite. Belichick expects EVERYONE ELSE to be accountable and team driven so, WHY ISN'T HE??!! It's abundantly clear that Belichick is a brilliant Narcissist. He's the best defensive mind the game has ever seen, but he has NO respect for offense and offensive players, and NO respect for the Owner that employs him. He has repeatedly undermined what was best for the team while claiming otherwise. Sitting Malcolm Butler in SB 52 threw ALL Players under the Bus! How was that best for the TEAM?! Players are human and all different. It's a HC duty to manage personalities and CREATE an atmosphere of SUCCESS for overall TEAM benefit! Ruining the starting QB consciously or unconsciously because he isn't "your guy" is Textbook NARCISSISM and absolutely NOT what is “BEST” for the TEAM! Belichick does what is best for his EGO! He may have cut his football teeth under Navy Athletics, and he may THINK he runs a team modeled on the military, but he does NOT! He FORGOT that EVERY serviceman swears an oath and is accountable to a higher authority! The Admiral or General, may not agree with or even respect The President, but it's their duty to their country to follow orders and to NEVER undermine or subvert “The Boss” or the MEN under their command. Belichick should never again be trusted with a HC position. He's borderline megalomaniacal, and a cancer in any position of authority. I would hire him as a DC with very minimal authority only. IMO, players were willing to endure the "Belichick Way" because they believed TB12 ensured a legitimate SB shot year after year. Yes, the defenses were equally important to the repeated success, but The GOAT was the GLUE that held it all together. When the glue dissolved, it unsurprisingly fell apart.
Bill didn't destroy the Patriots. Good grief. Things just didn't work out. That's life. They will rebound. It's just football.
A great coach his PHILOSOPHY & SCHEME can make up for average QB along with average players and win games but also the same great coach makes players better now add a average QB who WORKED his ASS off learning from the best COACH OF ALL TIME WHO DEVELOPED AND BECAME THE GREATEST QB EVER TOM BRADY but here's the catch a coaches career is based on WINS AND WINS IS BASED ON THE QB?? The QB & COACH IS JOINED AT THE HIP
Please make another one of these but with pete carroll and the seahawks i honestly believe carroll is wasting his teams talents and keeps on recruiting awful coaches
NE PAT'S has lost alot of great guys in front office & coaches & scouts like nick,caserio Texans Monti,ossenfort card's dave Zeigler raiders but he was fired after just 2 season I think he would been a good GM if not for Josh McDaniels and the greatest OFF line coach retired few ys ago point is with that many guy's leaving over time no wonder NE is struggling if Bill can get McDaniels back as oc an start getting better players in here & replace some of the great minds in front office & scouting and if Mac can put everything behind him get his CONFIDENCE BACK BILL CAN & WILL TURN NE AROUND
Bill Belichick (w/ Tom Brady) = Winner
Bill Belichick (w/o Tom Brady) = 👻👻
It's as simple as that. Even, if Brady wouldn't win another superbowl with the Pats, I still believe they'd be a threat in the Playoffs. Now, they can barely be good enough to get into the Playoffs or miss entirely....
Using the Bucs team he went to as a gauge against Belichick I and the patriots? That’s not even remotely close to being even. Brady went to an absolutely stacked Buccaneers team that just needed a good quarterback to win. And they probably could have done it with Winston, especially since he got Gronk and Antonio Brown. That argument is bullshit because once that team went to hell? Brady went to hell. If you noticed all the years Brady and Belichick didn’t win? It’s because they didn’t have an absolutely stacked fucking roster with an amazing offensive line. Don’t use that argument. Because it’s a bogus bullshit analogy.
Dude have you ever played FB I have an I never ever walked out on the field like I WAS TROY POLAMALU OR ED REED!! My coach pushed me an developed me as a player and for you too say anything about BILL BELICHICK IT TOOK HIM & TOM BRADY too play In 9 SB winning 6 I keep telling everyone FB is a team sport not 1 guy can win alone it takes a team effort
@ 3:11 Tom Brady did NOT lead Tampa Bay to their FIRST super bowl in team history. The Bucs won Super Bowl 37 for the 2002 season, airing on 1-26-2003 defeating the Raiders 48-21. The Raiders being defeated by their Ex-Coach John Gruden.
Yes, Cam Newton was a mistake. They should have flat out rebuilt from day 1 post Tom. Belichek eventually said their cap issues forbid them from retooling with Brady(which was BS), but then totally rebuild man.
I think they signed Cam cuz Bill wanted to compete with Tom. I, and most pats fans, understood Tom went to a ready made championship team. BB should have been smart, and not jealous/petty, and started the full on rebuild. Being mid gets you nowhere.
Sony Michele was a waste.
N Harry was a joke.
They can't pick offensive skill players. Never really have. Lineman, yes. Maybe tight end(but truth be told, they could only get Gronk cuz his injury history and The murderer cuz most knew he was trouble).
Their inability to find wide receivers is atrocious. Brady made others around him better. Without that level QB, you're not gonna raise a C talent to a B+/A- anymore.
If they could draft receivers, BRADY WOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT.
He left because of the dirth of talent.
Belichek the coach is fine. Belichek the GM has got to go. Brady squeezed every last drop of ability out of that offense.
In the early years, Belichek had help. As those guys left(as happens to great teams), instead of replacing them, he just took sole control of everything.
Well that's too damn much. Hire better talent evaluators. The steeers and ravens constantly find new receivers. I was the Jax game the other night, their 2nd and 3rd receivers did stuff no Pats guy could dream of.
The one decent recent pic? They let go to the Raiders and they signed a washed up mess from KC. They can't assess college OR pro talent at the receiver position.
Patricia? Don't even need to say anything.
Going forward?
Keep Bill the coach, but bring in a GM and fire the whole fucking scouting department. At least those on the offensive side. Defensively they still pick reasonably well.
None of it worked without brady, there was no "patriot way" without brady. Its not a small sample size, Belichick has had 10+ seasons as head coach without brady and has 2 playoff appearances and ONE playoff win and it was in 1995!. How many assistant head coaches got head coaching jobs and paid because of brady? And they all failed . Further more Belichick has drafted 2 pro bowlers in the last 12+ years , a punter and a returner. While bardy won superbowlS with 3 white recievers, 2 under 5'10" and the third was a lacrosse player. Belichick traded gronk to Matt Patricias dumpster fire Detroit lions and gronk threatened to retire and finished the season by having the most important catch in the final Superbowl. Not to mention Belichick wanting to trade brady in 2016/17 and go with jimmy fricken gerapelo, so that would be two LESS rings for Belichick and pats cause brady has won more superbowls than Jimmy glass has played full seasons since then. Brady was the ultimate eraser for Belichick for years and belichecks EGO wouldnt aknowledge that instead thinking it was all his system. For years Belichick was called a genius for taking other teams cast offs and practice players and making them impactful players on the Patriots but bradys leadership cant be stated enough for the success. Robert kraft himself has been quoted saying "bill said tom was washed and he goes and win the f-en Superbowl the next year" not to mention while bill made $25 million a year tom brady NEVER made over $20mill a year in new England while lesser qbs in the league were making $30-$40+ million. Belichick rode Brady's coat tails and i hope he coaches another team so the nfl world can watch him drive that organization into the ground.
I don’t get why coaches get all this praise when it’s clearly because of their players.
DiMeco Ryans (probably misspelled) is getting talked about coach of the year because CJ Stroud is good. Like WTF did Ryans do?
Sean Peyton on the other hand. Yea, I can see why he’s been talked about.
As for Belichek…it was always Brady.
Bill: I know defense, how to call it, how to attack an opposing offense
Also Bill: I let my coordinators get too big for their britches, drafted slow WRs and drafted generic pocket passer QB's outside of the GOAT. Bill should retire, but you "Massholes" should build a fucking monument to the man for what he did for a floundering franchise and ABSOULETLY never forget it
It took awhile to metastasize, but once Kraft stepped in and forced Belichick to stop developing Jimmy G as Brady’s eventual replacement (trading him to the 49ers), the Pats were poised to begin a downfall.
If Mac Jones would have landed with a Sean Peyton or a Sean McVay his career would have been totally different! Coaches and Coordinators matter see Baker Mayfield's career path!! At this point Mac Jones just wants OUT of New England so he tanked, hopefully he'll get a shot with another organization? Belichick needs to retire, he's toast without Tom!