Recover 20/20: A Thorough Look
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- In this video I'll show you guys the set up, and some other considerations on the Recover 20/20. In my estimation, Recover Tactical has designed the best adapter of its kind, currently on the market.
This thing is, hands-down, the best Glock adapter I have ever used! This is going to be the new standard for my PDW Classes. Get on it y'all!
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Recover Tactical has since introduced a few more attachments and accessories that seem to enhance this brace more. A forward mag holder that mounts to the lower rail, that you can stick a spare mag into and also use as a forward grip. There is an optic rail that you can mount any picatinny red dot to as well, but I would actually recommend their metal glass breaker rail for a much sturdier optic mounting point.
Do you want to avoid using the optics mount that they've made. It has so many problems to it I don't even know where to begin. Here, read this article that I wrote on this very subject matter: img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/f6c2a23e-38c9-4485-baf2-e7f5802dbde5/downloads/1brfid1rb_103843.pdf?ver=1664661655923
There's a new add on for this thing now. Apparently it's been out for a long time. It's basically a replacement for the rail on the right side with an optics mount so you can actually put micro red dots on TOP of the side or rather OVER the side like how competition shooters used to add a rail so they can mount red dots on pistols before the invention of slide cut frames. Putting a micro red dot and the height makes this system every more usable
Stay away from that mount.
@@Tier1Citizen what's wrong with it?
Any mount that attaches to the accessory frame of the handgun has too much flex in it to be able to trust it.
@@Tier1Citizen What about for close range only? I've seen a couple other videos that complained about how the brace/stock hits your cheek every time you fired it
@@Excalibur01 it does have a bit of flex, but it's more on it being made of polymer (a big mistake) than due to how it's mounted, as it's actually mounted on the kit itself (3 points of contact to the gun) as opposed to directly on the accessory rail.
and i agree, on the ranges this will be likely used, that slight flex is inconsequential. wish it was made of metal though.
Fantastic instructions and description. I am sold on this just by watching your explanation. Thanks. Keep doing more.
i have one of these on my Glock 24 with a threaded barrel. I love this thing. I also am running the Recover 20/20 top rail with a Holosun 510c-gr. I can not believe the improvement in accuracy and the light recoil. With this setup I can shoot much more comfortably, with my head more upright. I won’t even say what I am doing at 75 and 100 yards with Underwoods 135 grain 40 S&W. Most wouldn’t believe me.The velocity is amazing with the 6.6 inch barrel, so I don’t have to allow for much drop at all. With this brace, I can put shots on target at 50 yds like I could at 15 and 25 yds without it. If you are on the fence, go for it.
Yeah this type of setup is a real game changer. It stretches the capabilities of a handgun way out there.
This is 1 of the most in-depth\comprehensive carbine conversion kit video I've seem yet.
In fact, I subscribed & will order this 'lil gem immediately!
Yeah it's pretty cool. If you've not seen the class at TDI: PCC that I attended with this, check it out: ua-cam.com/video/8nALgV42H0g/v-deo.html
Thorough, concise, informative, on point - an engaging presentation. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
An honest review bravo I got one and after a few weeks I realized it holds a 26 too making a sweet little micro carbine 🤙
Right on
Please make a video on how you made your 6 mm shock cord sling, --esp. on how you joined the 2 ends to close/sealed the loop. Also how you figure out the length to properly use it with the holster, etc. Great product reviews of this brace, I'm sold. Looking forward to more videos on this Glock set-up. Thanks !!!
when this came out i thought it was just a range toy. your video really explained how it works in real world application . thanks alot!
These are great and now that the pistol ban has been ruled dead in the water by the Supreme Court, it is full speed ahead for things like this. Don't forget your PDW sling for it: tier1citizen.com/shop/ols/products/t1c-pdw-sling
I want the Glock ,s&w, and now the 1911. Great innovative company. Thanks Recover Tactical.
Man this looks like finally a decent chassis and at a good price too! I hope they do well and do other guns as well. Makes me wonder if they will work with the 80% builds and PSA's upcoming clone? If I had a glock that would fit I would jump on it I only have a 43x. If they do a Cannik version its an insta-buy for me.
They have the 20/80 for the P80 crowd.
Took mine to the range for it's maiden run.............I absolutely love it!!
Cool!
Just bought one of these.
After watching this I'm definitely going to pick up a 20/80 or 2 for my P80 collection... Shame they don't make the P80 version in Large Frame size.
Wish I had seen it before I bought a MCK. While the MCK is great, this is a much more compact package and more useful for a small backpack gun.
I don't think I will ever holster it though because concealment would be a pain unless I dress like Nick Fury all the time.
The only thing I would like is if they made the rear portion shorter and have a telescoping component to the folding brace so it's even shorter overall when folded and you can shoot like a pistol for retention CQB.
Good educated mature positive presentation 👍
I'll be snugglingy G17L Gen3 6.02" on one soon 👍✌️☮️
This is a great detailed review!
Definitely deserving of a comment.
Much appreciated!
I think you sold me. I like the concept of a PDW for work but can't seem to get approval lol. They approved SBRs and suppressors but rolled their eyes at a pistol chassis conversion for some reason.
This is a really cool set up! Thanks for the share!!
You bet!
I will have to see if my local gun range will order this because I don't buy online or use a credit card.
The major complaint that I hear on UA-cam is that the Recover 20/20 is unpleasant to shoot and only pleasant to shoot with the accessory higher red dot mount. Do find this to be the case or is it just a training issue? Thanks again
It's a little bit of both really. I did a full class with one and yeah, it got old getting popped in the face for two days straight. However, in the context of a fight that lasts seconds, this is an ideal tool to have on hand.
Mine is not at all unpleasant to shoot with my Glock 22 and is wicked accurate using the iron sights or the reflex sight .
So this thing seems to be getting a lot of hate, we need to put this into perspective. I run a G45 9mm. I then will run a M&P 40 in a Recover Tac (20S) with four 25 round mags in a subgun configuration with a designated load out chest carrier/bag. Why? It can easily fit in a bag, vehicle/truck/get home bag. It gives me the opportunity to have a subgun configuration in 40 cal and still have a designated sidearm (G45). You're not going to use this pistol caliber out to 100y, and I don't have to worry about running a 7.5 or 10.5 AR as a "Truck gun". perspective.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Great, fantastic review sir, thank you!👍
I also like the Flux, but the Recover Tactical 2020 price point hands down wins. Easy to install and easy to use, not to mention the awesome accessories. Flux is nice as well but it’s a bit out of reach for some folks, but nonetheless also cool but expensive. RT2020👍👍👍👍👍
I’d love to see the next gen 20/20 with a quick release/ install instead of a Allen screw. A folding or sliding integrated trigger cover (safety) like the fab defense folding foregrip would be next level!!!!
mine is coming tomorrow!!!!! christmas present to myself.
I think after I get this, I will take it to a carbine course and see how it stacks up against carbines on a CQB course. There are no PDW courses locally.
I ran it at a PCC course a few months ago. It did well and dominated in CQC work. However, it lacked past about 30 yards due to the inherent slop in the loose nature in which handguns lock up. As a truck gun, I'd have to rethink it.
Bro I learn so much from your videos I'm definitely a fan keep up the good work I'm going to definitely order this product thank you
Awesome! Thank you!
Good demonstration, much appreciated, Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Got mine and love it running rmr on the slide and it seems to work well my only gripe is I cant really get to the slide release but the around it is just pull the slide back and release
Yeah that is one of the downfalls of adapters like this.
@Tier1Citizen but the long shots you can take and it ups your game I hit 85% more shots
Ultimate back pack gun! 🎉
Sure is.
Great video! I was thinking that this would be a better alternative for me getting an AR9 for my daughter since a glock 19 or 17 are incredibly versatile platforms and putting them in this chassis would practically accomplish what an AR9 wants to do but in a smaller and modular platform. It can do almost everything except for utilizing magnified optics. Hey, its still amazing. thanks for uploading. Subbed!
This thing is a major solution for sure. Welcome to the channel.
Have not heard good things about a 9mm AR, and anything else out there that is reliable is way too expensive. You can run hotter calibers with this. I am thinking about a Glock 40, 10mm set-up. I could buy two for the price of a 10mm carbine with one of these Recover braces.
How does this compare with the flux defense? Or MCK in terms of glock conversions?
its in stock, so its got that on flux defense
I love mine! I also got thr 20/80 for the polimer 80
Just got mine in and as a lefty too I am using your recommendation on its set up, I just was wondering how you made the sling? Thanks and God bless you and yours
The sling is made from a length of heavy duty shock cord, two hog rings, and a length of shrink tubing.
@@Tier1Citizen thank you ill get the supplies and make one
@@Tier1Citizen au
Another lefty here!
LOVE TO SEE A VIDEO FROM YOU ON THE NEW RECOVER TACTICAL PIX AND COMPARE IT TO THIS
Maybe...
Does the holster for the 20/20 stay on? Haven’t run many drills with the holster but seems like it could come with the brace when drawing have you had any problems with that?
No need to register my Glock as an SBR with this Recover 20/20 brace as I needed to do with my FAB Defense COBRA pistol stock? Regards
My only 2 complaints, Needs a trigger safety for Glocks, Brace needs more meat on top for a better cheekweld.
Yep agreed. However, it bears noting that their focus is that the safety is the holster and the brace is a...brace.
One review on the Recover 20/20, points out that iron sights sit too low for proper eye alignment.
Might higher silencer sights, overcome the iron sight issue - or are RMRs necessary?
You can get behind your sights but it's a stretch and will cross your eyes after a lot of shooting. Like literally you'll end up with double vision if you do it too long.
@@Tier1Citizen why are you looking at your sights?
Amriglo ghost ring sights work great no rmr necessary
They sell an add on pic rail that screws onto the chassis. It holds Zero, and raises my Holosun 510 to a really comfortable shooting position.
After watching may reviews on the Recover 20/20; I still prefer my FAB Defense COBRA pistol stock for my Glock 17 Gen 3. I think the FAB Defense Cobra pistol stock has better ergonomics and a better shoulder stock plus the fact it fits perfectly with the stock on in a Blackhawk Serpa Holster.
All true points, however, remember that that the Cobra stock is an SBR stock, the Recover 20/20 is a brace. To compare them to one another is to compare apples to oranges.
@@Tier1Citizen Brace, SBR stock all semantical B.S. laws from the NFA. I paid the $200 price of admission so I'm all legit and good to go. Mahalo
Have you seen all the options for added vertical grips? Do you feel the standard production is sufficient? Thinking about one with the conversion for 19. Also need a rmr. Quick suggestions? Thanks man, concise review as always
Yes and yes, however, keep in mind that on a brace like this you can only use an angled forward grip. That's why the current crop of AFG's are actually mag holders.
I just ordered last week. It won't ship until end of July. Looking forward to installing and comparing to the micro Roni.
This blows all other adapters out of the water.
Based an that answer Abner I’m kinda wanting to sale my Roni lol. Does it seem to have the same LOP? I’m a little tall with long arms kinda curious.
wouldn’t there be a problem with repetitive shot if the slide is moving back and forth
Have you noticed accuracy issues with this thing out to 50 + yards?
Yes but that has nothing to do with the adapter ad everything to do with the fact that it's still a handgun. 50 yards is a long shot, even with a rifle.
Why anti-seize lubricant versus blue or green locktight?
Because in most cases you would want to keep the screw from turning out. However, in this case this screw has a tendency to bind up quite easily. The anti seize compound ensures that it never will.
Thank you for your review.
How about carry and holstering safety, with no cover over the trigger? This seems a very important safety issue.
I'm going to do a close up video for you guys showing how it all works. The holster covers the trigger in the same manner that a Glock, which has no safety, is rendered safe. Slinging it to my chest has a similar effect in that it's immobilizes the weapon and makes it less likely that the trigger will be pulled. Is it the perfect solution? No. It's the best I have at this time.
@@Tier1Citizen Thank you, I appreciate your work.
@@Tier1Citizen Perhaps, some type of trigger-only holster - like the HBC Concealment 'Minimalist', would work.
Excellent video thanks for all the work. One question what's the length of pull? Thanks
Not sure, I'm not near mine right now. It's enough to clear your face under recoil. I'm 6'4" so consider that when you see me shooting it. It's a good fit even for me.
You really should looks at the flux defense glock brace if you haven't already
I've already looked at it. I did a video on it. It's great but this is better.
@@Tier1Citizen I'll have to go back and watch that. Thank you.
Tier 1 Citizen would love to see a comparison between the two. I own neither, and trying to determine which to buy. The Flux seems like a cleaner/better package. Your perspective carries a lot of weight.
@@Rockwood777 a comparison would be awesome
Id like to see your opinions on the "buttstock" and cheek rest that recently came out for the 20/20.
Where did You get the work on Your slide done?!
Visionary Machine and Design.
Abner... man I am so close to ordering one lol you’re making it hard to say no to it haha I now have a red dot on my g19. Is it fairly comfortable to use? I’m not as tall as you (5’10”) but you seem to have no issue running it fast and accurate. Thanks brother!
You will not be disappointed at all. This thing is superb!
Tier 1 Citizen Awesome, thanks again Abner!
What makes the Recover Tactical 20/20 superior to the Fab Defense Cobra Glock Stock that I purchased on your recommendation? My biggest gripe with the Fab Defense Cobra Glock Stock was the slop or play when the stock was fully deployed and the middle folding screw keeps getting loose and I have to check it constantly. Thanks in advance
Yeah that really is the only thing that makes it stand out. The lockup on it is really solid.
Hey Abner, I’m really interested in this but I’ve heard the uncomfortability is almost unbearable. Any insight there?
If you shoot more than three or four mags you're gonna start feeling it on your shoulder and your cheekbone. So yes, it can bite you a bit. However, it bears noting that this is a device that allows you to have a PDW without any paperwork for that five second fight where you might fire 7 rounds total. In that instance, having the accuracy that it gives would let you pick a bad guy apart, without hitting anyone else. Consider that before making your decision.
@@Tier1Citizen thanks for the responses, I really appreciate it!
Yeah man.
What is the name of the chest rig you were wearing? Thank you
It's my own design. I had it made several years ago.
@@Tier1Citizen Great video. What a cool addition to a glock. The chest rig you had made, how would we duplicate it? It looks ideal and easy to pack for a just in case scenario.
@@Tier1Citizen how many magazines can you dig carry? Any chance of finally marketing it? I recall.you had a blow out with a supplier that tried to screw you over.
Great video, can I ask where did you pick up the shock cord sling?
I made the sling myself. I have a much better version of it now. Check it out: tier1citizen.com/shop/ols/products/t1c-1-point-sling
Have you tried it without the RDS? If yes, what is the option.
I wouldn't use it without an RDS. It's too low for that.
@@Tier1Citizen That is what I thought and wanted to confirm. All my current Glocks are not MOS nor RDS equipped. Thank you for your response, I might need to get the new 20/20 rail for the RDS to try.
The only way I would use an adapter of this kind is with the optic directly on the slide. Anything else is going to have too much flex in it.
@@Tier1Citizen Got it, thank you!
So if you already have the Fab defense cobra with a folding foregrip is there any advantages to this set up over that set up?
This one is more solid and it's a brace not a stock which requires SBR'ing your pistol.
I thought you were against holding the Glock PDW’s anywhere near the rail due to torsion of the frame when firing? I would assume he lady with the hand on the weapon light would impart the same effect as the folding handle did on your old set up?
On this one it doesn't matter because the optic is on the slide rather than on the frame. That is why I like this one sooooooo much.
@@Tier1Citizen gotcha man. Went back and reviewed the video where you touched on it. I forgot you were talking in reference to the Six Second Mount. Thanks.
I sent a question to the company. If it will work on a P80 940CL I'm buying one next check.
Rifles in hands of gangs in NYC- patrol needs these if not given rifles to level the field
Good luck getting the admins to recognize that.
@@Tier1Citizen I've about given up about trying to push common sense policy and measures and leaving when possible.
This looks great for a small frame person. Large gorilla guys need not bother.
Think again dude. I'm 6'4" and 280 lbs. This works for everybody. Everybody thinks I'm 5 foot nothing. My camera is mounted on a 7 foot tall tripod so that you guys get a clearer view of the range area. From that height and the 120° aspect ratio I look way shorter than my true height.
Do you like the holster? Seems interesting
Yeah it works well.
Why is nobody telling anyone the truth about this 20
20 brace. And that is that it won't work on old glocks. Without the picatiny rail.
Why are you holstering it on the right side? Will it holster to the left?
It only holsters on the left with the brace locked open.
@@Tier1Citizen That isn't too convenient. Thanks for the reply. I am also a left handed person.
What size hog ring for the sling? Thanks in advance
Don't recall. What you want is small enough rings to go around 1/4" bungee cord.
Can you show us a top view image of this set up while the pistol is in the locked back position. I’m just trying to see how much clearance is left from the back plate of the gun to the rear of the brace
There's enough room there for the sling to be wound up and out of the way.
What chest rig is that?
It's my own design. I'm trying to have it made here in the US so that I don't have to send the design to the thiefs in China.
Let us know when you have one for sale.
So are you moving away from the 7.5in AR in favor of this?
Also, what do you think of the Maxim Defense PDX?
No way dude. This thing doesn't even come close to a 7.5" AR-15. Never tried the Maxim products.
Where can I get that kind of bungee?
Google it, there are a bunch of places online that carry it. I got mine off of a freind.
Why no tell everyone that the 20 20 brace. Only works on glock gen 3 and up. Dont u think this is valid infomation. Its need the picatiny rail to lock firmly in place. Why is no one telling glock owners this.
Send this comment to the manufacturer. It's their job to know these things.
Does it though? I contacted the company and they informed me that it will work on my Gen 2.
What sling is that?
It's a sling I invented and they ended up adopting it. Look up my other videos on the Recover 20/20 I cover it there.
Does this work with aftermarket slides?
I don't know, I've never it tried it with one.
@@Tier1Citizen so from what im seeing on other videos it seems to work just fine. I might make a video once i get mine.
Thanks for the response.
What is in your chest rig sir ?
Extra mags, an extra light, and various medical items.
I think your the best ! Your outstanding! Thank you
Thank you sir.
What are you using as a sling?
A length of Bungee Cord that I connected the ends on. It works like a charm.
@@Tier1Citizen I gonna have to give this a try, any tutorials?
Is the mag holder considered a pistol grip?
No, the law stipulates that angled forward grip are legal on handguns. Vertical foregrip are not.
@@Tier1Citizen Thanks for the reply.
@@UncleDanBand64 I value your input, but make your input as comments to me. Please don't go up and down the entire line of comments in my videos and answer questions that are clearly being posed to me.
@@Tier1Citizen Don't get me wrong or if you do that is fine! The comments are a place for people to share info. You can always turn them off. I have manufacturers coming into my comments answering questions, other people sharing there knowledge, ideas and experience. That is ok though, I will definitely let you take care of the comment section from this point forward. Honestly, your comment was not only rude but, it was uncalled for. At any rate, if I have offended anyone...including your viewers or yourself....you have my sincere apologies.
@@Tier1Citizen What made you decide to not use the mag grip on your brace?
Would this fit 10mm glocks?
No it won't.
I have a g20 and emailed them larger glocks and they said "We hope to have one in the coming months"
Nothing for H&k VP9s?
They're working on more models. Whenever a new product is released you can bet it's always going to be released for the Glock 17 and 19. That's how you test the popularity of something before you expand the product line.
@@Tier1Citizen yeah okay thanks... This is a great idea for all pistols.
Does anyone know if this will work with the Taurus TX22?
Check the manufacturer's website, they have a comprehensive list of what they cover.
How do you make yourSling
A length of shock cord, two hog rings, and some shrink tubing.
@@Tier1Citizen did you consider selling it on eBay? I would definitely buy a few.
I do armored car work in Baltimore DC area and wanted to know how you thought this would be as a PDW for counter ambush/when moving large loads? I was also looking at CAA roni as well as maybe just sbring
I used to work for Brinks so I know the job well. This would work adequately for that job. I'd keep it sling on your front and at the ready if they'll allow it.
Will this fit the gen 5 19X?
Don't know, check the company's website for specs.
@@Tier1Citizen I emailed them yes it'll fit I'll be ordering mine soon
@@thefrieguy4328 Excellent!
This Also Fits The Taurus G3! But Not The G2c Or The G3c! #YoureWelcome
I live in Calef what’s the legality on the Brace
Guns are bad, m'kay?
What are your thoughts about the flare occurring with the side mounted rails. The seem useless like that. Not exactly parallel with the barrel.
Also there are complaints about the front mag pouch being so tight it digs into the edges of recessed lockup points of the mags. I needed both hands to extract. Even using a proper grip. These seem to be some serious flaws.
Ive been looking at this for a few days...if only it was for lefties
You do know I'm a lefty, correct?
@@Tier1Citizen lol yes sir....but if they plan on a lefty version lol ya know
It’s basically a novelty item not very practical
You couldn't be more wrong Eric. To call this a novelty is to call a handgun a novelty. This device makes the handgun more accurate and effective. Make your case. Give an example of how this is a "novelty item."
Tier 1 Citizen it’s too short for me. I just ordered the extended but stock so hopefully it’ll get better. I’m a tall guy so I have to lean really low into it I’m faster and more proficient with just the handgun not being inside this chassis hopefully the butt stock will correct this issue to each his own. (Good range toy nevertheless)
@@Fight4freedom. I'm 6'4" height has nothing to do with how these types of set up are used. PDW's require you to hunch up on them. Calling this a range toy is a misnomer.
Tier 1 Citizen I never said I regret buying one would I buy it again probably not, in fact I ordered the but stock & red dot rail hoping that it will be a more pleasant shooter.
@@Fight4freedom. Post a video and tell everyone what your thoughts are on it.
Does the back of your slide slap the back of that thing...just wondering looks like it slaps it
Not at all.